September 20, 2025 • 22 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on actor Sylvester Stallone’s pitch to utilize AI de-aging so that he can star in the forthcoming ‘Rambo’ prequel…PLUS - Mark Rahner has a review of the new Netflix documentary “aka Charlie Sheen” in the Rahner Report - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Let's talk some movies for a moment. Sylvester Stallone love
what he does. I think Tulsa King Season four should
be out sometime soon, and if you didn't know, Samuel L.
Jackson will be a part of that season. So if
you haven't seen Tulsa King, highly highly recommend Frank Grillo
as well as a fellow villain in the cast. Really
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good show. But I bring it up because Sylvester Stallone
is having a bit of a resurgence and a rebirth,
if you will. There is more and more interest surrounding
this next Rambo movie. And if you saw the most
recent Rambo movie, I thought it was actually one of
the best in the series because Sylvester Stallone is allowing
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to not only get older but care less, and he's
dispatching the would be villains in the most violent sorts
of ways. But he's not superhuman, you know, he's self
aware that he's too old to be doing that stuff.
The reason I mention it is they're looking at doing
a Rambo prequel. They've talked about casting certain actors and
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at one point Sylvester Saloon was saying, like, wait, why
don't you just use me and use a deaging process.
He says that the technology is sophisticated enough to make
him look like he's eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I don't know about that. I know that I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They've done it with Kurt Russell, took forty fifty years
off of him. I know they can do a lot
with it, but in such a physical role as Rambo,
someone presumably going through basic training going to Vietnam as
the character story goes, I don't know if it will
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look right on him over the course of the full movie.
I know they did some things with Christopher Evans, and
they had a body double for the First Captain America.
And I know they've taken dead people and used body
doubles and put the face on them like they did
Were Fast and Furious, and they did Rogue one with
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Carrie Fisher, So it's I know technology is capable of
a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't know if it works.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
For Sylvester Stalload over the course of a two hour movie,
impersonating air quotes in eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I mean, think about Tron and when they d aged
Jeff Bridges, so to do those roles.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It was okay, but it was limited. Yes, yes, it's limited. Yeah,
I don't know about that. And in the dark. They
were all dark scenes. You know, that's intentional.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You can hide a lot of stuff because when they
tried to do it with Will Smith in Gemini, Man,
if you remember that movie, and he had a younger
version of himself, the moment they showed in the daytime,
it all fell apart. Now, of course that movie was
six seven years agoever long ago.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's probably better now, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So sure it works for a full movie in every scene.
And also I'm not so sure I care about that
story of going back to the beginning of John Rambo
and seeing him get messed up with Agent Orange or
whatever it was that set him off.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You don't want to see him learn how to bend
sticks and put spikes in them to take people's out there.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Not really, that doesn't interest me about the character.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I actually like the progression of this psychotic person who
has no place in society, trying to just live out
the rest of his days and people keep messing with him.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I don't I want to see where he got it
in his head, that you drew first blood and that
meant kill everyone in the town.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Look, if they're not going to bring back a dead
Richard Kredit, I don't want to see it. He's very
important to the first Rambo, very important.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's true. That's true. And Mark agrees with me.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I don't even understand how prequel to Rambo would work
because in the first one from the eighties, he's a
Vietnam Vet and he's pushed too far and he snaps.
What happens before that, so I said, basic training, Yeah,
Vietnam War, but he's normal up until he snaps. Well,
we don't know that. What if he went in and
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enlisted and he was not normal? And we get to
see all the little all the little pressure points, all
the little things that make a Rambo snap, Like what
makes a Rambo snap and go full on kill the
town people.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We don't need this. I look, here we go, Mark
and I a green. Something's wrong, you know. I would
like to see Sylvester Stallone. I would like to see
Sylvester Sloan paying playing John Rambo. The whole idea of
an eighteen year old Rambo and maybe we'll meet his
parents or something or the high school he went to.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't care about any of that.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I don't know what about him just running through Vietnam
wrecking shop.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Sometimes it's good to just leave things as a mystery.
Let me give let me add to that, Kenna.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I believe that the whole Vietnam War aspect of it
does not land the same as many generations later. When
we were growing up in the nineteen eighties, we're only
like maybe ten twelve years that true outside of Vietnam.
So not only did some people in our generation have
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some memory of it, we had parents who served in Vietnam.
There are people who we knew served in Vietnam. Vietnam
is is like for us the World War II generation.
We don't have any real connection. And I don't know
if that movie resonates or it has the same type
of emotional impact for a war which is now sixty
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years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And we had the impression that Vietnam bets were kind
of dangerous. You don't startle them to wake them up,
you don't go up and ask what their tattoo means.
And that's kind of lost on people at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I think you have to also delve into the
social commentary of explaining why the Vietnam War was unpopular
here in the States. Why then a soldier like John
Rambo was ostracized in many ways and not received as
the hero because you know, John Rambo was frustrated trying
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to reintegrate himself in society.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
They would leave him alone.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And I think you have to go back and explain
that because we have a millennial generation and a gen
Z they don't understand any of that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
The whole scenario has changed. I mean, now the military
in the US is the employer of last resort. But
back then, of course, we had the draft and these
guys came back shell shocked and they were getting spat
on and called baby killers. And that was the millieu
if you please that Rambo existed in. That's what contributed
to him going berserk. And I don't know, are you
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volunteering to write the script because this story you're telling
Ron now was riveting. I want to see that. Yeah, okay,
I'll do the Rambo comic book. Yes, yeah, i'll pass.
You know I don't need to see that chapter.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Why no, No, Well, if you want to start the comic book,
I'll read that, but I'm not going to go see
a d aged syl that's just alone, and I don't
think I'm interested in that portion of the story, whether
they have a d aged salone or an eighteen year
old actor.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Just one more thing.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I know we're running along, but I'm blurbed on one
of those latter Rambo movies where he's old and just
smoking everybody in sight. I thought the violence was terrific
in those because they just they take the first one,
you know, when we first see Rambo, it's a little
bit more realistic, it's still a fantasy. But by the
time we get to these ones, whereas he's an old
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man killing people, it's just pure violent porn.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And one reason I did like the last one, and
I know this is macabre, and it didn't have a
happy ending. It wasn't like he was going to save
the day in every way, and if you know the
last one, you know that you know he was basically
getting revenge. It didn't turn out the way that he wanted,
so you know, it humanized him more than anything, I believe.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I mean, I think
they're fun just because of the carnage that that that
stallone decides we're going for it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Oh it was it was no holds bart. Yeah, it
was definitely that. I just liked what he just gave
a little bit of a tweak at the end. It's like,
there's no happy ending here. You know, he killed everyone
but couldn't save the one person he went in to save.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, there's nothing more dangerous than an old man who
happens to be a Vietnam vet who has absolutely nothing
to lose.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Everybody's gonna die. That's the story I want to see.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Coming up next segment, we will have the Runner Report.
You can be very tough on movies, but you're also
truthful in you're sense. You don't bash movies just a
bash movies.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's a public service. It's a consumer service that we do.
I meanew movie critics don't just do it to hear
the sound of their own voices. I mean, you're you're
spending money, you're getting in the car, you're buying food there.
It's it's a big commitment to go to a movie,
and so if you can have somebody warn you off
something that's bad or point out something that's good. I mean,
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I always like it when when somebody does that for me.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
All Right, have you seen the new season or anything
of the first drop episodes of the new GENV?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I saw episode one. There are three that are out
right now, and it's solid. I vastly prefer The Boys,
but this is in that universe, and I'll take it
until we get the next and final season of the Boys.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Do you like it? I love GENV and the Boys.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I won't ask Twala because he's not he's not a
fan of the Boys or GENV.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I like the last season of The Boys. Did not
appreciate the first season or two. I thought it was
just this is I've seen that. I grew up reading
those comics, like those stories weren't new for me. So
seeing it on television where most people are like, oh
my god, look at this, I was like, man, pick
up a comic book. Why don't you like these stories
(10:17):
aren't new? Yeah, but I got to tell you to
all of the show is vastly superior to the comic.
It's much smarter, and it's much more attuned to what's
going on in the world right now. Comic's good, though
I don't like the comic. I didn't like the comic.
I don't like what's name. I really don't Garth Ennis. Yeah,
I can't stand Garth Ennis as a creator. I can't
stand him, So so I went into it with that.
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I thought gen V was a superior product, and I
thought maybe because it borrowed from what I felt the
boys failed at. It got into the story quickly, and
it really established itself versus dragging on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I dig it. No, I relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And I think that one reason you might find Garth
Dennis's work off. Sometimes it just seems like he's seen
what he can get away with in a comic. Yeah,
of language and violence and stuff like that, and that
works on the small screen though well. Also, I think
you cannot downplay how great Anthony Starr is as Homelander. Yes,
(11:17):
when one of my comics was optioned years ago as
Zombie Western, they kept on trying to tell me we're
going to reach out to Colin Ferrell, and I'm like, no,
you got to see this guy in a show called Banshee.
I know it's ending at least reach out to him,
and that was Anthony Starr and they're like, no, Noahn,
we like Colin Ferrell.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Are they probably sorry now even though they're not returning
my emails?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, Colin Farrell was more of a name at that point,
an established commodity.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
But Anthony Starr is just terrific in anything he does,
especially playing a violent psychopath.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And it's not who he is.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
From all accounts of people that I know who have
ever interacted with him, he's like one of the nicer
guys in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh, I know nothing about him personally.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I'm saying that's what's told to be.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I haven't met him yet, so I hear nothing but
good things about him.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Anthony Starr the person. I can't wait for the New
Boys season to start. I will say, Toula. The funniest
comic book cover of all time is a Boy's cover
where I think Homelander and Queen May are in the hospital.
They're both white, and she's holding their baby, which is
not white, and Homelander's got the most pissed expression you
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can imagine on his face. And it doesn't take much
for you to do the math of what's going on
in that one image.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, he's very possessive and very insecure. Yeah, No, I
mean again to your point Mark. To me, Garth and
has always tried to push in edge that no one
was asking to push. It's almost like he was jealous
of what they did with so many other stories, and
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it all goes back to what's the name, and I
think he was just that he didn't get to do it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Lord have Mercy. I'm not sure who you mean. No,
they did the movie. O God, It'll come back to
you like three in the morning.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
So I'm sure you could say the same thing about
his Preacher comic book as well. Yeah, Preacher, same thing.
To me, it was like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, you're.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Jealous of so many other titles and you're trying to say, watch.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
What I do. I'm gonna make them do this ridiculous thing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I like it where it goes against type of what
we think a superhero is supposed to be, or our
collective embrace of their moral superiority, of the superheroes that
are supposed to be the best of us, when they're
saying no, they're actually just like us with superpowers and
they're actually worse Watchmen.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I think Garthens has always been jealous of Watchman that
he did and created, and this is is watch what
I do. I'm gonna do a better version of Watchmen.
And I'm like, you didn't, dude. You lack all the
gravitas that Watchmen had. I don't even know if all
those Watchmen imitators understood what they read when they read Watchmen.
There's a reason why Alan Moore doesn't want anything to
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do with DC or the spin offs or even even
take the royalty checks from that UF anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I actually liked the Watchman movie. I don't think
Alan Moore did, but I liked the movie.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
As someone who read the comic cover to covering, and
I'm not talking the collect I bought all of those
and read those. When I saw the series, I said
to myself, Oh no, no, man, no, you shouldn't have
done it.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I agree with Alan Moore.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
There's too much story to tell to try to squeeze into.
And when you read the com book, it's one of
those things where I wish I hadn't because it made
the movie just suck so bad.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I happen to like it.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You're wrong, Twala, Mark is wrong, but He's coming up
next with the wrong report, and we'll see if he's
wrong about that as well.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI,
A M six forty.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Talks about pontificates about pop culture, Ron and Report with
Mark Ronner.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
It's Later with Mo Kelly on KF. I am six
point forty live everywhere on the iHeart app. I'm Mark
Ronner and this is the Runner Report. The first thing
you need to know about him is that it's not
about that male supplement for performance we'll call it, and
regrowing your hair that would have been better. Tonight we
delve into the underdeveloped genre of sports horror, which we
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haven't seen much of since it Tanya or Rudy crap
Seawan Aston's the new sag after President? Am I going
to get pulled off the air? I guess that's a
thing now? And since Shawn Aston and Geramo del Toro
appeared to be morphing into the same person, I'm really
in trouble, aren't I google them You'll understand it's not
an insult.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'm just pointing it out. Anyway. Here's a scene from him.
Listen to him. You ain't nothing.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You ain't nothing but an emotional little pretty boy chasing
validation from strangers because your father didn't love you.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Just that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
A game, A game, man, This this is everything you are,
not your father. This, Cameron kid, I want this. That's
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a the you're wanting to sacrifice of it and show
me and show him he does.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
That was Tyreek Withers as an up and coming football
star who suffers a head injury and a weird attack,
and he's nearly recovered with a nice new part in
his hair made of staples, and his doctor's not sure
if it's safe for him to play anymore. He gets
a chance to be on his favorite team with his
favorite legendary player, played by Marlon Wains, who you also
heard he's thinking about retiring. Wayans invites the young guy
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to his huge, opulent personal compound in the desert to
remind him that we should tax the rich. Actually, it's
for some intense training and some mind games, possibly some hallucinations,
and the constant repeated message seems to be how bad
do you want to be the goat? Or, to put it,
as Sean Connery would have in The Untouchables, if you
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couldn't quite make that out, it was what are you
prepared to do? Followed by a death gurgle? But it's
not just some football practice with wayans. It's extra brutal,
weird stuff that the guys from say North Dallas forty
would look at it and go, ah, this is a
bit much. Again and again too, what are you willing
to do to be the goat? How much really inappropriate
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punishment are you willing to take and give out to
be the goat? In addition to giving up your phone?
How much are you willing to sacrifice to be the goat?
And by the way, who is it that you're really
giving it all too? This is an allegory for imbeciles,
a metaphor for morons. But you're saying, surely that's an overstatement.
Mark you football shunning pansy, you wrestling singlet wearing closet case,
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And to that, I say, first, it was the required uniform,
and I would advise against taking a hymns pill while
wearing it. Also, let me put it this way, by
the time of a nonsensical bloodbath with the team owners
wearing actual pig masks, I don't think you're going to
have a lot left for your mind to masticate on.
These guys don't want to waste any subtlety on you,
and at the same time, they don't want to waste
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any coherent story on you either. And by the way,
I say this as a huge fan of old martial
arts movies. They're all about insane, miserably hard training to
achieve mastery, like the thirty sixth Chamber of Shao Lynn.
The Warriors too. This is not those, Him is not them.
It's not even really horror. And it's not just that
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the dialogue is bad. Let me say, as someone who
doesn't always use the Queen's English even in my newscasts,
and I try to be conversational, it wasn't long before
I was thinking, could you maybe use some other words
in addition to goat? Is there an ai that's counted
the number of goats? I like goats as much as
the next guy who's absolutely not into bestiality, but also
I like movies with a variety of words. I don't
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expect football players to have the vocabulary of William F. Buckley,
but I expect screenwriters to mix things up a little.
The ones who perpetrated this movie will never be the
goats of screenwriters. But now that I'm thinking about this,
I want to write a sketch with Buckley and gore
vidalin that scenario, like, what is the extent of your
engagement to you? Effeminine pithecanthropists, I've seen better spirals on
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an easter ham. I'm gonna write that. Look Wayans looks
like he's having fun in this movie, and it's clever.
They cast comedian Jim Jeffries as his trainer, sort of
a doctor feel good type. The director's name is Josh
or Justin Tipping, who's mostly done some TV work. This
movie has some visual style to it, but without much substance.
The effect is approximately violent, ir irritatingly repetitive colognad. This
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is from producer Jordan Peele, and I guess we have
to talk about him. He really knocked one out of
the park back in twenty seventeen with Get Out. His
follow up two years later, Us was laugh out loud, bad,
made no sense, and I will not argue about that
with anyone. Can't say I love Nope in twenty twenty
two either or liked it. And if we're putting all
the cards on the table here, the iteration of the
Twilight Zone Jordan Peele hosted in twenty nineteen was an abomination.
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I'm not big on sports or math, but it seems
like the kind of win loss ratio that had got
a coach on ceremoniously fired. And it raises the question
what happened to Jordan Peel anyone who was involved in
the Key and Peel's sketch about the two guys bragging
each other about how they laid down the law with
their wives and said bit only to cower in fear
when the wives poke their head into the room. That's
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got to be at least close to genius terry territory.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
By the way, I don't read much before I write
my reviews, but I am intensely pumped to read a
lot of them now because of all the football expressions
that hack critics are guaranteed to use. I started looking
at one that said the movie was fumbled, and I thought, no, no,
this is dessert.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I must wait.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I mean, I don't want to come off like a
tight end or anything, but this is the movie equivalent
of CTE And if I were German, this would be
a fourth and nine over and above that him seems
destined to be the kind of throwaway flick that turns
up really soon on say Peacock, but way way down
on the main page, and only when it's brand new.
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Not only is him on my year's Worst list, but
I cannot wait for a parody porn or otherwise called
ham that's your runner report post game on this blowout. Oh,
you don't have any of these guys booked on the
show to you.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Know, and they won't be anytime soon. Clearly, four funnies.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I like a little Nazi humor in a movie review,
huh nine Schnell
Speaker 1 (22:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Let's talk some movies for a moment. Sylvester Stallone love
what he does. I think Tulsa King Season four should
be out sometime soon, and if you didn't know, Samuel L.
Jackson will be a part of that season. So if
you haven't seen Tulsa King, highly highly recommend Frank Grillo
as well as a fellow villain in the cast. Really
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good show. But I bring it up because Sylvester Stallone
is having a bit of a resurgence and a rebirth,
if you will. There is more and more interest surrounding
this next Rambo movie. And if you saw the most
recent Rambo movie, I thought it was actually one of
the best in the series because Sylvester Stallone is allowing
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to not only get older but care less, and he's
dispatching the would be villains in the most violent sorts
of ways. But he's not superhuman, you know, he's self
aware that he's too old to be doing that stuff.
The reason I mention it is they're looking at doing
a Rambo prequel. They've talked about casting certain actors and
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at one point Sylvester Saloon was saying, like, wait, why
don't you just use me and use a deaging process.
He says that the technology is sophisticated enough to make
him look like he's eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I don't know about that. I know that I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They've done it with Kurt Russell, took forty fifty years
off of him. I know they can do a lot
with it, but in such a physical role as Rambo,
someone presumably going through basic training going to Vietnam as
the character story goes, I don't know if it will
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look right on him over the course of the full movie.
I know they did some things with Christopher Evans, and
they had a body double for the First Captain America.
And I know they've taken dead people and used body
doubles and put the face on them like they did
Were Fast and Furious, and they did Rogue one with
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Carrie Fisher, So it's I know technology is capable of
a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't know if it works.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
For Sylvester Stalload over the course of a two hour movie,
impersonating air quotes in eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I mean, think about Tron and when they d aged
Jeff Bridges, so to do those roles.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It was okay, but it was limited. Yes, yes, it's limited. Yeah,
I don't know about that. And in the dark. They
were all dark scenes. You know, that's intentional.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You can hide a lot of stuff because when they
tried to do it with Will Smith in Gemini, Man,
if you remember that movie, and he had a younger
version of himself, the moment they showed in the daytime,
it all fell apart. Now, of course that movie was
six seven years agoever long ago.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's probably better now, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So sure it works for a full movie in every scene.
And also I'm not so sure I care about that
story of going back to the beginning of John Rambo
and seeing him get messed up with Agent Orange or
whatever it was that set him off.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You don't want to see him learn how to bend
sticks and put spikes in them to take people's out there.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Not really, that doesn't interest me about the character.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I actually like the progression of this psychotic person who
has no place in society, trying to just live out
the rest of his days and people keep messing with him.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I don't I want to see where he got it
in his head, that you drew first blood and that
meant kill everyone in the town.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Look, if they're not going to bring back a dead
Richard Kredit, I don't want to see it. He's very
important to the first Rambo, very important.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's true. That's true. And Mark agrees with me.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I don't even understand how prequel to Rambo would work
because in the first one from the eighties, he's a
Vietnam Vet and he's pushed too far and he snaps.
What happens before that, so I said, basic training, Yeah,
Vietnam War, but he's normal up until he snaps. Well,
we don't know that. What if he went in and
(04:30):
enlisted and he was not normal? And we get to
see all the little all the little pressure points, all
the little things that make a Rambo snap, Like what
makes a Rambo snap and go full on kill the
town people.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We don't need this. I look, here we go, Mark
and I a green. Something's wrong, you know. I would
like to see Sylvester Stallone. I would like to see
Sylvester Sloan paying playing John Rambo. The whole idea of
an eighteen year old Rambo and maybe we'll meet his
parents or something or the high school he went to.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't care about any of that.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I don't know what about him just running through Vietnam
wrecking shop.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Sometimes it's good to just leave things as a mystery.
Let me give let me add to that, Kenna.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I believe that the whole Vietnam War aspect of it
does not land the same as many generations later. When
we were growing up in the nineteen eighties, we're only
like maybe ten twelve years that true outside of Vietnam.
So not only did some people in our generation have
(05:33):
some memory of it, we had parents who served in Vietnam.
There are people who we knew served in Vietnam. Vietnam
is is like for us the World War II generation.
We don't have any real connection. And I don't know
if that movie resonates or it has the same type
of emotional impact for a war which is now sixty
(05:57):
years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And we had the impression that Vietnam bets were kind
of dangerous. You don't startle them to wake them up,
you don't go up and ask what their tattoo means.
And that's kind of lost on people at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I think you have to also delve into the
social commentary of explaining why the Vietnam War was unpopular
here in the States. Why then a soldier like John
Rambo was ostracized in many ways and not received as
the hero because you know, John Rambo was frustrated trying
(06:29):
to reintegrate himself in society.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
They would leave him alone.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And I think you have to go back and explain
that because we have a millennial generation and a gen
Z they don't understand any of that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
The whole scenario has changed. I mean, now the military
in the US is the employer of last resort. But
back then, of course, we had the draft and these
guys came back shell shocked and they were getting spat
on and called baby killers. And that was the millieu
if you please that Rambo existed in. That's what contributed
to him going berserk. And I don't know, are you
(07:04):
volunteering to write the script because this story you're telling
Ron now was riveting. I want to see that. Yeah, okay,
I'll do the Rambo comic book. Yes, yeah, i'll pass.
You know I don't need to see that chapter.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Why no, No, Well, if you want to start the comic book,
I'll read that, but I'm not going to go see
a d aged syl that's just alone, and I don't
think I'm interested in that portion of the story, whether
they have a d aged salone or an eighteen year
old actor.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Just one more thing.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I know we're running along, but I'm blurbed on one
of those latter Rambo movies where he's old and just
smoking everybody in sight. I thought the violence was terrific
in those because they just they take the first one,
you know, when we first see Rambo, it's a little
bit more realistic, it's still a fantasy. But by the
time we get to these ones, whereas he's an old
(07:52):
man killing people, it's just pure violent porn.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And one reason I did like the last one, and
I know this is macabre, and it didn't have a
happy ending. It wasn't like he was going to save
the day in every way, and if you know the
last one, you know that you know he was basically
getting revenge. It didn't turn out the way that he wanted,
so you know, it humanized him more than anything, I believe.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I mean, I think
they're fun just because of the carnage that that that
stallone decides we're going for it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Oh it was it was no holds bart. Yeah, it
was definitely that. I just liked what he just gave
a little bit of a tweak at the end. It's like,
there's no happy ending here. You know, he killed everyone
but couldn't save the one person he went in to save.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, there's nothing more dangerous than an old man who
happens to be a Vietnam vet who has absolutely nothing
to lose.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Everybody's gonna die. That's the story I want to see.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Coming up next segment, we will have the Runner Report.
You can be very tough on movies, but you're also
truthful in you're sense. You don't bash movies just a
bash movies.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's a public service. It's a consumer service that we do.
I meanew movie critics don't just do it to hear
the sound of their own voices. I mean, you're you're
spending money, you're getting in the car, you're buying food there.
It's it's a big commitment to go to a movie,
and so if you can have somebody warn you off
something that's bad or point out something that's good. I mean,
(09:24):
I always like it when when somebody does that for me.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
All Right, have you seen the new season or anything
of the first drop episodes of the new GENV?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I saw episode one. There are three that are out
right now, and it's solid. I vastly prefer The Boys,
but this is in that universe, and I'll take it
until we get the next and final season of the Boys.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Do you like it? I love GENV and the Boys.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I won't ask Twala because he's not he's not a
fan of the Boys or GENV.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I like the last season of The Boys. Did not
appreciate the first season or two. I thought it was
just this is I've seen that. I grew up reading
those comics, like those stories weren't new for me. So
seeing it on television where most people are like, oh
my god, look at this, I was like, man, pick
up a comic book. Why don't you like these stories
(10:17):
aren't new? Yeah, but I got to tell you to
all of the show is vastly superior to the comic.
It's much smarter, and it's much more attuned to what's
going on in the world right now. Comic's good, though
I don't like the comic. I didn't like the comic.
I don't like what's name. I really don't Garth Ennis. Yeah,
I can't stand Garth Ennis as a creator. I can't
stand him, So so I went into it with that.
(10:40):
I thought gen V was a superior product, and I
thought maybe because it borrowed from what I felt the
boys failed at. It got into the story quickly, and
it really established itself versus dragging on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I dig it. No, I relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And I think that one reason you might find Garth
Dennis's work off. Sometimes it just seems like he's seen
what he can get away with in a comic. Yeah,
of language and violence and stuff like that, and that
works on the small screen though well. Also, I think
you cannot downplay how great Anthony Starr is as Homelander. Yes,
(11:17):
when one of my comics was optioned years ago as
Zombie Western, they kept on trying to tell me we're
going to reach out to Colin Ferrell, and I'm like, no,
you got to see this guy in a show called Banshee.
I know it's ending at least reach out to him,
and that was Anthony Starr and they're like, no, Noahn,
we like Colin Ferrell.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Are they probably sorry now even though they're not returning
my emails?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, Colin Farrell was more of a name at that point,
an established commodity.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
But Anthony Starr is just terrific in anything he does,
especially playing a violent psychopath.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And it's not who he is.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
From all accounts of people that I know who have
ever interacted with him, he's like one of the nicer
guys in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh, I know nothing about him personally.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I'm saying that's what's told to be.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I haven't met him yet, so I hear nothing but
good things about him.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Anthony Starr the person. I can't wait for the New
Boys season to start. I will say, Toula. The funniest
comic book cover of all time is a Boy's cover
where I think Homelander and Queen May are in the hospital.
They're both white, and she's holding their baby, which is
not white, and Homelander's got the most pissed expression you
(12:23):
can imagine on his face. And it doesn't take much
for you to do the math of what's going on
in that one image.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, he's very possessive and very insecure. Yeah, No, I
mean again to your point Mark. To me, Garth and
has always tried to push in edge that no one
was asking to push. It's almost like he was jealous
of what they did with so many other stories, and
(12:49):
it all goes back to what's the name, and I
think he was just that he didn't get to do it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Lord have Mercy. I'm not sure who you mean. No,
they did the movie. O God, It'll come back to
you like three in the morning.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
So I'm sure you could say the same thing about
his Preacher comic book as well. Yeah, Preacher, same thing.
To me, it was like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, you're.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Jealous of so many other titles and you're trying to say, watch.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
What I do. I'm gonna make them do this ridiculous thing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I like it where it goes against type of what
we think a superhero is supposed to be, or our
collective embrace of their moral superiority, of the superheroes that
are supposed to be the best of us, when they're
saying no, they're actually just like us with superpowers and
they're actually worse Watchmen.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I think Garthens has always been jealous of Watchman that
he did and created, and this is is watch what
I do. I'm gonna do a better version of Watchmen.
And I'm like, you didn't, dude. You lack all the
gravitas that Watchmen had. I don't even know if all
those Watchmen imitators understood what they read when they read Watchmen.
There's a reason why Alan Moore doesn't want anything to
(13:56):
do with DC or the spin offs or even even
take the royalty checks from that UF anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I actually liked the Watchman movie. I don't think
Alan Moore did, but I liked the movie.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
As someone who read the comic cover to covering, and
I'm not talking the collect I bought all of those
and read those. When I saw the series, I said
to myself, Oh no, no, man, no, you shouldn't have
done it.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I agree with Alan Moore.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
There's too much story to tell to try to squeeze into.
And when you read the com book, it's one of
those things where I wish I hadn't because it made
the movie just suck so bad.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I happen to like it.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You're wrong, Twala, Mark is wrong, but He's coming up
next with the wrong report, and we'll see if he's
wrong about that as well.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI,
A M six forty.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Talks about pontificates about pop culture, Ron and Report with
Mark Ronner.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
It's Later with Mo Kelly on KF. I am six
point forty live everywhere on the iHeart app. I'm Mark
Ronner and this is the Runner Report. The first thing
you need to know about him is that it's not
about that male supplement for performance we'll call it, and
regrowing your hair that would have been better. Tonight we
delve into the underdeveloped genre of sports horror, which we
(15:36):
haven't seen much of since it Tanya or Rudy crap
Seawan Aston's the new sag after President? Am I going
to get pulled off the air? I guess that's a
thing now? And since Shawn Aston and Geramo del Toro
appeared to be morphing into the same person, I'm really
in trouble, aren't I google them You'll understand it's not
an insult.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'm just pointing it out. Anyway. Here's a scene from him.
Listen to him. You ain't nothing.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You ain't nothing but an emotional little pretty boy chasing
validation from strangers because your father didn't love you.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Just that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
A game, A game, man, This this is everything you are,
not your father. This, Cameron kid, I want this. That's
(16:34):
a the you're wanting to sacrifice of it and show
me and show him he does.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
That was Tyreek Withers as an up and coming football
star who suffers a head injury and a weird attack,
and he's nearly recovered with a nice new part in
his hair made of staples, and his doctor's not sure
if it's safe for him to play anymore. He gets
a chance to be on his favorite team with his
favorite legendary player, played by Marlon Wains, who you also
heard he's thinking about retiring. Wayans invites the young guy
(17:16):
to his huge, opulent personal compound in the desert to
remind him that we should tax the rich. Actually, it's
for some intense training and some mind games, possibly some hallucinations,
and the constant repeated message seems to be how bad
do you want to be the goat? Or, to put it,
as Sean Connery would have in The Untouchables, if you
(17:43):
couldn't quite make that out, it was what are you
prepared to do? Followed by a death gurgle? But it's
not just some football practice with wayans. It's extra brutal,
weird stuff that the guys from say North Dallas forty
would look at it and go, ah, this is a
bit much. Again and again too, what are you willing
to do to be the goat? How much really inappropriate
(18:04):
punishment are you willing to take and give out to
be the goat? In addition to giving up your phone?
How much are you willing to sacrifice to be the goat?
And by the way, who is it that you're really
giving it all too? This is an allegory for imbeciles,
a metaphor for morons. But you're saying, surely that's an overstatement.
Mark you football shunning pansy, you wrestling singlet wearing closet case,
(18:28):
And to that, I say, first, it was the required uniform,
and I would advise against taking a hymns pill while
wearing it. Also, let me put it this way, by
the time of a nonsensical bloodbath with the team owners
wearing actual pig masks, I don't think you're going to
have a lot left for your mind to masticate on.
These guys don't want to waste any subtlety on you,
and at the same time, they don't want to waste
(18:49):
any coherent story on you either. And by the way,
I say this as a huge fan of old martial
arts movies. They're all about insane, miserably hard training to
achieve mastery, like the thirty sixth Chamber of Shao Lynn.
The Warriors too. This is not those, Him is not them.
It's not even really horror. And it's not just that
(19:09):
the dialogue is bad. Let me say, as someone who
doesn't always use the Queen's English even in my newscasts,
and I try to be conversational, it wasn't long before
I was thinking, could you maybe use some other words
in addition to goat? Is there an ai that's counted
the number of goats? I like goats as much as
the next guy who's absolutely not into bestiality, but also
I like movies with a variety of words. I don't
(19:31):
expect football players to have the vocabulary of William F. Buckley,
but I expect screenwriters to mix things up a little.
The ones who perpetrated this movie will never be the
goats of screenwriters. But now that I'm thinking about this,
I want to write a sketch with Buckley and gore
vidalin that scenario, like, what is the extent of your
engagement to you? Effeminine pithecanthropists, I've seen better spirals on
(19:55):
an easter ham. I'm gonna write that. Look Wayans looks
like he's having fun in this movie, and it's clever.
They cast comedian Jim Jeffries as his trainer, sort of
a doctor feel good type. The director's name is Josh
or Justin Tipping, who's mostly done some TV work. This
movie has some visual style to it, but without much substance.
The effect is approximately violent, ir irritatingly repetitive colognad. This
(20:21):
is from producer Jordan Peele, and I guess we have
to talk about him. He really knocked one out of
the park back in twenty seventeen with Get Out. His
follow up two years later, Us was laugh out loud, bad,
made no sense, and I will not argue about that
with anyone. Can't say I love Nope in twenty twenty
two either or liked it. And if we're putting all
the cards on the table here, the iteration of the
Twilight Zone Jordan Peele hosted in twenty nineteen was an abomination.
(20:45):
I'm not big on sports or math, but it seems
like the kind of win loss ratio that had got
a coach on ceremoniously fired. And it raises the question
what happened to Jordan Peel anyone who was involved in
the Key and Peel's sketch about the two guys bragging
each other about how they laid down the law with
their wives and said bit only to cower in fear
when the wives poke their head into the room. That's
(21:08):
got to be at least close to genius terry territory.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
By the way, I don't read much before I write
my reviews, but I am intensely pumped to read a
lot of them now because of all the football expressions
that hack critics are guaranteed to use. I started looking
at one that said the movie was fumbled, and I thought, no, no,
this is dessert.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I must wait.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I mean, I don't want to come off like a
tight end or anything, but this is the movie equivalent
of CTE And if I were German, this would be
a fourth and nine over and above that him seems
destined to be the kind of throwaway flick that turns
up really soon on say Peacock, but way way down
on the main page, and only when it's brand new.
(21:49):
Not only is him on my year's Worst list, but
I cannot wait for a parody porn or otherwise called
ham that's your runner report post game on this blowout. Oh,
you don't have any of these guys booked on the
show to you.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Know, and they won't be anytime soon. Clearly, four funnies.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I like a little Nazi humor in a movie review,
huh nine Schnell
Speaker 1 (22:18):
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