October 16, 2024 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And it seems like another day another Disney controversy from
the actors. Movies may choose to play starring roles from
the content on the screen, such as Deadpool and Wolverine,
which was its first r movie and all of its
graphic references in it to now theme park controversy, and
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it also includes Deadpool and Wolverine. If you haven't seen
the movie, if you're not familiar with the characters, then
none of this is going to make any sense to you,
and you're only going to look at it at face
value what you see and what you hear. But it's
all relevant to best understanding what might have gone into
some of these decisions. And Disney is in hot water
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at least to some because at Disneyland California Venture there
is a performance, if you will, a comedy routine called
story Time with Deadpool, and it plays just like the movie,
the types of jokes, the types of innu window and
make no mistake, it is adult in nature. There are
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sexual references, their references to gay sex and other things.
The problem, it seems, is the show Storytime with Deadpool
is billed as an all ages show. When I was
most recently at Disseeyland, California Adventure, I saw the show.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I know exactly what it looks like, what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But I've also seen the movie, so I know exactly
it is in concert with what the movie shows.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The question is should it.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Have been billed as for all ages or does it
not matter because you know what you're getting with Deadpool
and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't have young kids.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I maybe would have felt uncomfortable with some of the references,
But just about anyone who's coming to see story Time
with Deadpool, and this is a show which is outside
so other people can hear it. If you've seen Deadpool
and Wolverine, you know what you're gonna get with Storytime
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with Deadpool and Wolverine. But Twala, you are someone who
has a teenager, a teenage daughter, and you have a
son who's now an adult. But you're closer to I
would say the fatherhood age group who would be most
offended by this.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did you have any problem with it? From what you've
seen about it, from.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
What I've seen about it, and from the jokes and
humor that I've seen. I say that this is Deadpool Wolverine.
If you walk into this show and don't know who
Deadpool is, you may be taken aback. And maybe, just maybe,
it would have been prudent for Disney California Venture Park
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to issue a parental warning a PG thirteen say warning
for anyone coming in to see the show, and that
would have been sufficient, because I think if you do
go in there with younger children, you may be in
for a shock. But but, but but when I went
to see Deadpool Wolverine, there were literally parents in there
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who were walking in there with young children, and I'm
thinking to myself, do you not see that this is
a rated AR film?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And they didn't care. They watched the whole damn film,
so I don't know you can't see.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's I think what I call dishonesty of it all.
If you have any familiarity with Deadpool and Wolverine and
you've opted in to see a show Deadpool and Wolverine,
actually the show is tamer than the movie by a lot,
by a lot. I understand if you felt that you
were duped because the show is build for all ages,
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I would not agree with that. It's not for all ages,
but you can't tell me that you didn't know what
you were probably going to hear. With the exception of profanity,
there's no profanity in the show now.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
And see, this is another thing where I gotta kind
of call bs and people who are taking issue with
the show because from what I've read the dialogue in
the show, there's a lot of innuendo. But if you
don't know what it is they're talking about, you're probably
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a kid who's not laughing.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I e.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
When we go and see what films, Pixar movies, and
there are jelts in the movies that are for adults,
which kids are laughing at. They're laughing at at fart
jokes and colors and characters getting pies in their faces
or whatever, but they're not laughing at the things that
we see. And I'm talking toy Story on down there
are jokes in there. They're like, if you're an adult,
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you know what Slinky the dog was talking about. So
you know that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of
disingenuous outrage and I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I agree, if only because I think it's easy to
pile on Disney if you already are mad at Disney
or you don't like Disney for being quote unquote woke,
I'll give you a perfect example. One of the jokes
is where Deadpool is talking about tender and grinder. Only
an adult knows the difference between tender and grinder and.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
What they are. No five year old is likes.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And if you have to, if you want to explain
that to your child, what you're laughing at, what the
joke is, Well, that's a you and your child thing.
But your child, I promise you, at six years old,
they have no idea. There's what's happening right now. They
don't have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And just because you know as an adult, then the
question becomes, why is the child there in that environment
to see Deadpool and wolver Not that we're not even
talking about the movie for the child to have any
reference point of Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I wonder then what was on your mind as a parent.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I agree the show should not be built for all ages,
just like the movie was not for all ages.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But if you're going to see a Deadpool and Wolverine show.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
At Disneyland California Adventure, you gotta know it's not for
young kids.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It can't be, because neither.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Character is not even Wolverine by himself, with all the violence.
Wolverine has never been in a rated G movie. So
to think that with this clause, whatever he's going to
do in an actual amusement park is going to be
anything less than PG.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Thirteen, you're lying to yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, So look, I think it can be a
little bit of this and a little bit of that.
And we're not done with this conversation because I think
there's more evidence to suggest that this is about just
wanting to pile on Disney more than it is about
Deadpool and Wolverine somehow offending our sensibilities. Hell, I mean,
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if you think about the kids what they just see
on social media, it is far worse than what they're
seeing now. If you want to hold Disney to some
puritanical standard, well that's a you problem, because they're in
the entertainment business. If you want to wrongly assume that
Disney is all about children's entertainment from wall to wall,
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that has never been the case, or hasn't been the
case for a good thirty years or so. If you
think about the totality of the properties and movie studios
which they own. But we'll talk about that more in
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Speaker 1 (07:48):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (07:53):
Ben Twala, I actually got a little angry during the
break because I was thinking about the fake outrage. I
call it fake outrage. And if you weren't listening last segment,
we're talking about the Deadpool of Wolverine show, the live
show which is at Disneyland, California. Adventure story Time with
Deadpool of Wolverine, and there are some veiled sexual references
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like tender and grinder. There's even a reference to bottom,
which is a sexual term. And I was saying, like, well,
if you're at a Deadpool of Wolverine show, which is
based on an r movie with all sorts of violence
and sexual references, duh. I've never thought of Disney as
only being children's entertainment. I do agree that there should
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have been if there was some sort of disclaimer saying, hey,
this show is not for kids. I think that is
that's a fair complaint, but to say or even suggest
that that has.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
No place in Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I think is I think it disregards history of Disneyland.
Disneyland has never been completely innocent. The reason that they
change rides and that Disney was called woke. For example,
they changed the ride Pirates of the Caribbean because, let's
be honest, correct me if I'm wrong. If you remember
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the old Pirates of the Caribbean, they're basically it's rape
culture where you're chasing winches the word they use, and
you're having these pirates have their way with women. It
was intimated, it wasn't explicit, but visually it was clear.
Disneyland has never always been about just kiddy themes.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Well, not only that, this is also a show that's
not readily available for everyone walking by a Disney California venture.
A lot of the Marvel shows, they have the one
main show that takes place in the courtyard in the
Disney MCU little area, there's the main show that takes place.
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This isn't like the Doctor Strange show that was the
magic show that was for everyone to see. This is
something you have to actually go inside, make a decision
to go and watch this isn't out and about in
the kids' land at California Adventure where they show a
bug slide show or Pixar place.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's not there. It is something specifically.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Created for fans of the largest film of the universe
that just happens to be owned by Disney. Why would
you not have a show there for adults and fans
of that. And if you're a fan of it, like
you keep saying, you know what's already gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Disney for some and I understand Disney slash Disneyland may
mean different things to different people, but let's not engage
in revisionist history of what they have been or what
they will be. Marvel has employed profanity in their movies
for quite some time. It's a running joke, you know,
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they use it and they say, you know, gonna wash
that mouth out with soap. But they have always edged
closer to a adult. This is not new, and this
is not something which is incongruent to the Disney brand.
Disney has trended more adult for decades now. And I
heard someone I can't remember who it was, who lied
and said the only place they sell alcohol at Disneyland
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is at club thirty three.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's not true. You can go to Blue by You
and have all sorts of drinks. How do I know?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Because I had like five drinks the last time I
was there at Blue Buy You, one of my favorite
restaurants there. So and that's not even counting to all
of Downtown Disney. Downtown Disney, it's all about adults.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
The entire bar scene at in Star wars Land where
they sell alcohol and drinks. Yes, it's Look, let's not
lie to ourselves. Okay, you can lie to yourself if
you want to, don't lie to us. How about that?
You know what Disneyland is all about. You know actually
what Dead Pull and Wolverine is about. They've never shied
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away from it. It's in the trailers.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
He says this may be new to Disney, but it's
not new to me. When he's talking about a certain
item going in a certain place that's in the trailer,
you know what time it is when you're talking about
Dead pulll Wolverine. I myself, I look forward to seeing
the show. I've allowed my children to watch Dead Pull
and Wolverine and Dead Pull two and Dead Pull one.
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They are at that age where they are well aware
of what's going on in the world. They watch all
types of horror movies and we watch them with them.
We're good with it because we want to be able
to explain what's going on if necessary. But if that's
not your bag, guess what you can go do.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You can go.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Over the Pixar pier, go to pix Our place, and
you can go watch the Fun Family Show all you want,
but don't try to come in and throw your Bible
at me.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Don't do it. I don't want I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And here we always talk about capitalism, and you know,
businesses getting to choose for themselves how they want to
make money. Don't try to ascribe your personal values to
what the company does. If you don't want to support, fine,
but don't try to say that Disney is supposed to
be this or supposed to be that, and you're denying
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what we already know Disney to be. And sometimes I think,
I think this is the real issue. They conflate the
brand Disney with Walt Disney of nineteen fifty five. It's
not that anymore. It's inclusive of Paramount and Pixar and
Star Wars and Marble, all these disparate properties appealing to
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very different audiences. Star Wars is not for kids anymore.
It hasn't been for quite some time. In fact, people
are angry that it's actually trended just a little younger
than what it was when it first came out in
the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
When Disney took.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Over, they tried to, i'll say, kid it down, and
it hasn't worked. But Star Wars has been an older
property as far as maturity level, it's always been PG.
So the belief that Disney is anything under the umbrella
of Disney is supposed to cater to children or is
not supposed to have an adult theme, I think it's
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just dishonest.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I can't even call it disingenuous.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think it denies what we already know about the
Disney banner and all of the brands it includes, which
includes FX. No, let's not forget you know, when you
turn on The Old Man and that's on FX, that's
a Disney property now. And if they wanted to do
the Old Man Jeff Bridges show at Disneyland, well it's
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probably going to be a lot of killing.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I mean, look, you know, a lot of a lot
of these protests and a lot of the comments I read.
These are the same people that want to ban books
in libraries and in the OC. These are people who
you know, have all types of hang ups about what
we should do in our households because they don't do
it in their households.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I would never allow my kid to Okay, got it. Okay,
But you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You can't if you're going to complain or allege that
Disney is gone woke and also complain that Disney is
unrestrained and is offering content regardless of what society may
be saying, because they want to do what they want
to do with their brand.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If you think that Disney's trying to cater to certain groups,
and then at the same time puts out Disney of
Deadpool and Wolverine, which is full of profanity, which is
full of violence, which is full of innu window, which
is full of racial humor.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
All through it, you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You can't call them woke for this and then complain
that well, Deadpool and Wolverine they break all the rules
and they make fun of everyone.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Is it clear, you want free speech, but then you
don't want this show.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
All I'm saying is I listen to everyone and you
say on Monday that X, Y and Z is important
to you, But then when someone does X, Y and
Z their own way, you say, no, no, no, no, ABC
is important to us. There is nothing politically correct about
Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Can we agree upon that?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So when the politically incorrect comes to an amusement park,
you know what happens. You get more of the politically
incorrect at an amusement park.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And by the way, Disney's not going broke, so they're
going to keep doing what they do because they're still
making money.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I don't know about you, but I have noticed this
outsized impact that social media and traditional media, both together
in tandem, are having on the judicial system. You can
think about or the legal system more generally. You can
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think about Free Britney and how that documentary and movement
led to Britney Spears getting out from under that conservatorship.
You can think of surviving r Kelly and how that documentary.
Both parts of that documentary helped push the criminal cases
plural against him and how he ended up in jail
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now prison, most likely for the rest of his life.
You can listen to Unsolved with Steve Gregory here on
KFI and you will see how his work has led
to the advancement in a lot of cases, either exonerations
or criminal charges. We see it time and time again,
but more so now than ever before, and it seems
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to be happening again with Eric and Lyle Menendez. The
campaign and momentum they're picking up speed where they could
possibly go free via parole or maybe even a new trial.
I'm old enough, and I don't think Stephan's old enough,
but I'm going to use him as a comparison point.
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I'm old enough to remember when they were originally sentenced
and how that trial was such a big deal about
how Lyle and Eric Menendez killed brutally murdered their parents.
The only thing which is being debated now is whether
there was evidence excluded which could have impacted the decision
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of the jury. But I'm not going to get into
all the small details. It's just amazing to me that
from where I sit a lot of this conversation now
and the momentum to where they may actually get either
a new trial or parole is mind boggling to me
because I'm old enough to remember it was just a
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foregone conclusion. It's like, how in the world could you
shoot your parents and you're obviously profiting and you're obviously
trying to get your inheritance early.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's how we the general public perceived it.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Originally, rich kids from Beverly Hills killed their parents, made
up some story about being molested, and they shot their
mother in cold blood while she was crawling on her knees.
That is what I remember from the news coverage, and
I would say the general belief about the case it
was one of those cases where people were not even
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going to give a second thought to putting them away
for the rest of their lives. And now it's something
that George Gascall might actually have to deal with. Well,
he says he's not going to deal with it until
after the election, but still it's something which has now
become front page news. Even Vanity Fair did a large
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expos on the case, and the only through line through
this and the other big profile cases with celebrities that
I was talking about earlier. Is social media and traditional
media changing how we may think of the case. Now
me personally, I don't give a damn. Lyle and Eric
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should never see the light of day. There's nothing that
you're going to show me which is going to change
my original thought of it that it's. Yes, they're going
to try to present more evidence that one was molested
by the father.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
There may have been more evidence to that, but if
you knew the case, you knew they.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Weren't in imminent danger and they just blew away their parents. Mark,
I got to ask you, and then I'm want to
go to Steph and Mark because you were most likely
in a different state. Did the Lyle and Eric Menendez
case hit your radar? Because this is pre internet, this
is pre cable.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, I think everybody knew about it and wanted to
know about the two hey.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Thing, Yes, go ahead and explain that, or I will
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Well, it's my understanding. They even touched on it in
this new show that's on what is it FX?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Netflix?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Oh, you're right, yeah, it's the It's by the same
person who did the Dahmer Show, the Monster Show. Correct, Yep, yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah,
one of the one of the brothers. I it's my
understanding where it's the peace and and that came out
as the resulting it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Was, but it was it was obvious during the trial.
I remember as it basically a kid, it's like, that's
a too pay Well, they're all obvious.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I mean people who wear them never know how obvious
they look wearing them because they go from zero to elvis.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You're a Washington but you were a state of Washington
at the time.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Correct reminding you of the year again, I'm trying to
remember where I was.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh, this is thirty five years ago, so this is
maybe eighty nine ish.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Oh yeah, okay, definitely in Washington at the time. Yeah,
we knew that was national news for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, they're convicted in ninety six, but I think the
murders were like an eighty nine or something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, definitely national news.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
And it was shocking because we just the news wasn't
as full of snuff film footage as it is today.
It was a shocking story back then, it was. It
was a huge story. Go ahead, I'm sorry, Well, no,
we just I think we've become a little bit more
numb to violence in the news, because not only does
there seem to be a great deal of it reported
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on you know, the old if it bleeds it leads thing.
I know that to be too true from years and
years as a reporter, but I think the actual content
of that that is much more graphic than it used
to be in the old days.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And this was not in the exact same time period,
but it was in i will say the Orbit of
oj and Rodney King. All this was going on in
La in the same i'll say generation news generation, and
it added to the whole trials of the century. There's
always something going on in LA which brings me to you, Stefan,
do you have any memory of this case in trial?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Originally?
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Not originally, but just the only reason I even knew
about it before this came out was because, as most
women are, she was really into true crime. So she
researched it up and down and knew everything about it.
And that's how I learned about it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
If you would have asked me back in the nineteen
nineties whether Eric and Laumann Indez would have ever ever
had any chance at parole, I would have said, no
way in hell. But The positive momentum which is being
generated for them is mind boggling to me.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I haven't changed my mind about it.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I've not heard anything, I've not seen anything which makes
them seem more sympathetic to me. But I do acknowledge
that we as a society have changed our ideas in
a general sense about imprisonment and rehabilitation. The idea of
the death penalty or life without parole, we changed. We're
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a very different country today than who we were in
the nineteen eighties. You know, crime was perceived differently than today.
Prisons were different. We didn't have the for profit prisons
that we do today. Back then, it was the United
States was just very, very different if you could remember
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back then. And I would never, ever, in my wildest dreams,
thought that these guys would have a chance at getting
out of prison. But it looks like they have a
distinct possibility, not a probability, but they got a good shot.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And George Gascon might even have something to do with it.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Imagine that Kim Kardashian is now throwing her weight behind
this to get them off. Gosh, yeah, she wants to
help the case.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That kind of just makes my point, you know, the
queen of social media in many respects, and all her
followers who were too young to even remember this case.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It matters.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That type of social media matters into day's world. It
helped put r Kelly in prison, it's helping put Ditty
in prison for life, and it helped free Brittany. And
we're seeing again we're social media and the power of
even traditional media in the form of documentaries is changing
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how we're viewing a lot of these cases and criminals. Yes,
I said, the criminals. They blew away their parents. I
feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It seems like.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
The crux of the matter that's causing the reevaluation is
that contemporaneous evidence has arisen showing that the Menendez brothers
were abused molested by their father at the time, and
that wasn't known before. So I don't think anybody's disputing
that they did the killing. No, no, no, But it's mitigating circumstance.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, I said that, and I don't, And I said,
it doesn't change the fact that they were not in
imminent danger, which had to do with the murder that
was brought out.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
They didn't have the same evidence. Yes, contemporary evidence.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
There's some letters which validate that the abuse was happening,
but that was broached at trial. I remember that it
just was for the jury. It was not a mitigating factory.
It did not justify in the jury's minds if I
remember correctly, that they needed to murder not only their
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father but their mother as well at that moment.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Right, So you know, I still feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It doesn't make me feel more sympathetic to them, because,
for what I remember the case, this was planned, This
was plotted.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
This was first degree.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But you know, if you got Kim Kardashian on your side,
who am I to argue with her?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (26:52):
All right, before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Got some really good moments tonight, really good thoughts and
conversations started with the election. We talked about how the
one City's using vending machines to vend books and board games.
Didn't think that was a great idea, but did think
that the Orange County School in Huntington Beach is going
to use a QR code to find out where students
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are when they leave class as a hall pass. And
I got to get on another soapbox talking about marijuana
use and how some middle schoolers were poisoned it seems
from some laced edibles. So much stuff to talk about
because we all live in this place together, this society.
We may not agree on how it should run or
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which direction that's going in, but we should all participate
in this process. And throughout the show tonight, you'll probably
find a recurrent theme that Mark was wrong and I
was right.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
The tapes the tapes. That means they had to listen
to the podcast to find out one way or the other.
Everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
But I do like going back and forth with you, Mark,
because you're thoughtful, and believe it or not, you're more
nuanced than most people are. Not everything is this or that.
Not everything's black or white. There's a lot of gray
in life, a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, And we still just have to keep forcing ourselves
to shake our politics off of things that don't that
it doesn't apply to, and the AI example is one
of those. I mean, it's just its own issue. Regardless
of where you stand on any political spectrum. I actually
disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think no, no, no, no, it's I think it's
more to the extreme. I think politics has very little
to do with most of our lives. Almost nothing has
to do with politics. We have made it a point
to inject politics to everything, but it's not naturally part
of many of these discussions.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
We just want to make it political.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
When we're talking about edibles in schools, that's not a
political discussion, but schools have been politicized to the nth degree.
When we're talking about vending machines and what they should
be selling schools, it's not a political discussion, but people
want to politicize that discussion. Vaccines as well, Oh god, yeah, yeah, vaccines, climate,
all of that. Right, those aren't political discussions. They have
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been manipulated and turned into political discussions, but they're not
naturally they not. Historically they haven't been, but more recently
they've turned it into like, for example, we should be
able to discuss Disney without injecting our political beliefs onto it.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, the Disney thing reminds me of every time I
go into an R rated horror film and I see
parents bringing in a young kid, and I'm thinking, for
God's sakes, what do you think you're doing? I mean,
I don't want society to be completely child proof I
like the word nerved. Be a parent. I mean, don't
expect everyone to do it for you. What are you
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thinking when you expose your kid to that stuff that
any reasonable person would know is not appropriate. That has
nothing to do with politics, right, But.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Then if we have that same discussion through a political lens,
we start talking about the nanny state where the Democrats
are doing passing these laws. You know, that's how it
becomes political. But at its root, it isn't political, not
at all.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, trouble, we've all become that. It does nothing to
get us to the bottom of any problem. It's just
your team, my team. And what if you're not on
a team and you just want to go where the
facts lead, then both sides hate you.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, well, that's it's funny you say that, because not
a day goes by. Well, maybe a day goes by
where if I check my social media mentions or comments
that are sent to me, I'll never be left enough
to please progressives and I'll never be maga, So Maga
will never appreciate me. And I always say, to a
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person who is always going right or always going left,
the person who is not doing either will always seem
either too. Far to the left of the people who
are turning right, and too far to the right of
the people turning left.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
It's an impossible needle to thread, and we shouldn't have to.
We shouldn't have to. But sometimes I think we were
born at the wrong time. You and I are very
similar in this regard. And I don't say that.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I don't endorse political candidates because I want someone to
like me or I'm trying to offend someone less. No,
it's because I'm not wired that way. I don't invest
my personhood in either a political party, a political idea, ideology,
or any type of political issue. It's something I like
(31:40):
to discuss, but it's not something which consumes me or
is part of my personality in any way.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Well, it shouldn't, because orthodoxy is a shortcut around your
responsibility to be an individual thinker and come to conclusions
on your own. Once you adopt the orthodoxy of a side,
you don't have to think anything through for yourself anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Oh, it's much.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Easier, and it's quicker shorthand to say, well, if so
and so believes it or that group does it, it
must be wrong. Oh it's not true. It's not true.
As far as me. Most people aren't even curious enough
to even ask.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
They just assume.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
They just they invariably, And you've seen some of the messages.
People tell me what I believe and it's like and
they want to argue. It's like, and I tell them
what you want to argue? What my favorite color is?
You think you know me better than me? Yes, well,
that's what it comes along with having a public job.
And I encourage people to assume the worst about you.
(32:37):
At Kelly, I knew it. I knew it was coming.
Get off my show.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
It's our show.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Oh oh, you're about to sit through our newscast as well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
And it seems like another day another Disney controversy from
the actors. Movies may choose to play starring roles from
the content on the screen, such as Deadpool and Wolverine,
which was its first r movie and all of its
graphic references in it to now theme park controversy, and
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it also includes Deadpool and Wolverine. If you haven't seen
the movie, if you're not familiar with the characters, then
none of this is going to make any sense to you,
and you're only going to look at it at face
value what you see and what you hear. But it's
all relevant to best understanding what might have gone into
some of these decisions. And Disney is in hot water
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at least to some because at Disneyland California Venture there
is a performance, if you will, a comedy routine called
story Time with Deadpool, and it plays just like the movie,
the types of jokes, the types of innu window and
make no mistake, it is adult in nature. There are
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sexual references, their references to gay sex and other things.
The problem, it seems, is the show Storytime with Deadpool
is billed as an all ages show. When I was
most recently at Disseeyland, California Adventure, I saw the show.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I know exactly what it looks like, what it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But I've also seen the movie, so I know exactly
it is in concert with what the movie shows.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The question is should it.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Have been billed as for all ages or does it
not matter because you know what you're getting with Deadpool
and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't have young kids.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I maybe would have felt uncomfortable with some of the references,
But just about anyone who's coming to see story Time
with Deadpool, and this is a show which is outside
so other people can hear it. If you've seen Deadpool
and Wolverine, you know what you're gonna get with Storytime
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with Deadpool and Wolverine. But Twala, you are someone who
has a teenager, a teenage daughter, and you have a
son who's now an adult. But you're closer to I
would say the fatherhood age group who would be most
offended by this.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did you have any problem with it? From what you've
seen about it, from.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
What I've seen about it, and from the jokes and
humor that I've seen. I say that this is Deadpool Wolverine.
If you walk into this show and don't know who
Deadpool is, you may be taken aback. And maybe, just maybe,
it would have been prudent for Disney California Venture Park
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to issue a parental warning a PG thirteen say warning
for anyone coming in to see the show, and that
would have been sufficient, because I think if you do
go in there with younger children, you may be in
for a shock. But but, but but when I went
to see Deadpool Wolverine, there were literally parents in there
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who were walking in there with young children, and I'm
thinking to myself, do you not see that this is
a rated AR film?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And they didn't care. They watched the whole damn film,
so I don't know you can't see.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's I think what I call dishonesty of it all.
If you have any familiarity with Deadpool and Wolverine and
you've opted in to see a show Deadpool and Wolverine,
actually the show is tamer than the movie by a lot,
by a lot. I understand if you felt that you
were duped because the show is build for all ages,
(04:05):
I would not agree with that. It's not for all ages,
but you can't tell me that you didn't know what
you were probably going to hear. With the exception of profanity,
there's no profanity in the show now.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
And see, this is another thing where I gotta kind
of call bs and people who are taking issue with
the show because from what I've read the dialogue in
the show, there's a lot of innuendo. But if you
don't know what it is they're talking about, you're probably
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a kid who's not laughing.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I e.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
When we go and see what films, Pixar movies, and
there are jelts in the movies that are for adults,
which kids are laughing at. They're laughing at at fart
jokes and colors and characters getting pies in their faces
or whatever, but they're not laughing at the things that
we see. And I'm talking toy Story on down there
are jokes in there. They're like, if you're an adult,
(05:03):
you know what Slinky the dog was talking about. So
you know that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of
disingenuous outrage and I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I agree, if only because I think it's easy to
pile on Disney if you already are mad at Disney
or you don't like Disney for being quote unquote woke,
I'll give you a perfect example. One of the jokes
is where Deadpool is talking about tender and grinder. Only
an adult knows the difference between tender and grinder and.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
What they are. No five year old is likes.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And if you have to, if you want to explain
that to your child, what you're laughing at, what the
joke is, Well, that's a you and your child thing.
But your child, I promise you, at six years old,
they have no idea. There's what's happening right now. They
don't have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And just because you know as an adult, then the
question becomes, why is the child there in that environment
to see Deadpool and wolver Not that we're not even
talking about the movie for the child to have any
reference point of Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I wonder then what was on your mind as a parent.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I agree the show should not be built for all ages,
just like the movie was not for all ages.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But if you're going to see a Deadpool and Wolverine show.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
At Disneyland California Adventure, you gotta know it's not for
young kids.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It can't be, because neither.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Character is not even Wolverine by himself, with all the violence.
Wolverine has never been in a rated G movie. So
to think that with this clause, whatever he's going to
do in an actual amusement park is going to be
anything less than PG.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Thirteen, you're lying to yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, So look, I think it can be a
little bit of this and a little bit of that.
And we're not done with this conversation because I think
there's more evidence to suggest that this is about just
wanting to pile on Disney more than it is about
Deadpool and Wolverine somehow offending our sensibilities. Hell, I mean,
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if you think about the kids what they just see
on social media, it is far worse than what they're
seeing now. If you want to hold Disney to some
puritanical standard, well that's a you problem, because they're in
the entertainment business. If you want to wrongly assume that
Disney is all about children's entertainment from wall to wall,
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that has never been the case, or hasn't been the
case for a good thirty years or so. If you
think about the totality of the properties and movie studios
which they own. But we'll talk about that more in
just a second. It's Later with mo Kelly. Can't f
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Speaker 1 (07:48):
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Speaker 2 (07:53):
Ben Twala, I actually got a little angry during the
break because I was thinking about the fake outrage. I
call it fake outrage. And if you weren't listening last segment,
we're talking about the Deadpool of Wolverine show, the live
show which is at Disneyland, California. Adventure story Time with
Deadpool of Wolverine, and there are some veiled sexual references
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like tender and grinder. There's even a reference to bottom,
which is a sexual term. And I was saying, like, well,
if you're at a Deadpool of Wolverine show, which is
based on an r movie with all sorts of violence
and sexual references, duh. I've never thought of Disney as
only being children's entertainment. I do agree that there should
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have been if there was some sort of disclaimer saying, hey,
this show is not for kids. I think that is
that's a fair complaint, but to say or even suggest
that that has.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
No place in Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I think is I think it disregards history of Disneyland.
Disneyland has never been completely innocent. The reason that they
change rides and that Disney was called woke. For example,
they changed the ride Pirates of the Caribbean because, let's
be honest, correct me if I'm wrong. If you remember
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the old Pirates of the Caribbean, they're basically it's rape
culture where you're chasing winches the word they use, and
you're having these pirates have their way with women. It
was intimated, it wasn't explicit, but visually it was clear.
Disneyland has never always been about just kiddy themes.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Well, not only that, this is also a show that's
not readily available for everyone walking by a Disney California venture.
A lot of the Marvel shows, they have the one
main show that takes place in the courtyard in the
Disney MCU little area, there's the main show that takes place.
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This isn't like the Doctor Strange show that was the
magic show that was for everyone to see. This is
something you have to actually go inside, make a decision
to go and watch this isn't out and about in
the kids' land at California Adventure where they show a
bug slide show or Pixar place.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's not there. It is something specifically.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Created for fans of the largest film of the universe
that just happens to be owned by Disney. Why would
you not have a show there for adults and fans
of that. And if you're a fan of it, like
you keep saying, you know what's already gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Disney for some and I understand Disney slash Disneyland may
mean different things to different people, but let's not engage
in revisionist history of what they have been or what
they will be. Marvel has employed profanity in their movies
for quite some time. It's a running joke, you know,
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they use it and they say, you know, gonna wash
that mouth out with soap. But they have always edged
closer to a adult. This is not new, and this
is not something which is incongruent to the Disney brand.
Disney has trended more adult for decades now. And I
heard someone I can't remember who it was, who lied
and said the only place they sell alcohol at Disneyland
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is at club thirty three.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's not true. You can go to Blue by You
and have all sorts of drinks. How do I know?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Because I had like five drinks the last time I
was there at Blue Buy You, one of my favorite
restaurants there. So and that's not even counting to all
of Downtown Disney. Downtown Disney, it's all about adults.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
The entire bar scene at in Star wars Land where
they sell alcohol and drinks. Yes, it's Look, let's not
lie to ourselves. Okay, you can lie to yourself if
you want to, don't lie to us. How about that?
You know what Disneyland is all about. You know actually
what Dead Pull and Wolverine is about. They've never shied
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away from it. It's in the trailers.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
He says this may be new to Disney, but it's
not new to me. When he's talking about a certain
item going in a certain place that's in the trailer,
you know what time it is when you're talking about
Dead pulll Wolverine. I myself, I look forward to seeing
the show. I've allowed my children to watch Dead Pull
and Wolverine and Dead Pull two and Dead Pull one.
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They are at that age where they are well aware
of what's going on in the world. They watch all
types of horror movies and we watch them with them.
We're good with it because we want to be able
to explain what's going on if necessary. But if that's
not your bag, guess what you can go do.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You can go.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Over the Pixar pier, go to pix Our place, and
you can go watch the Fun Family Show all you want,
but don't try to come in and throw your Bible
at me.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Don't do it. I don't want I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And here we always talk about capitalism, and you know,
businesses getting to choose for themselves how they want to
make money. Don't try to ascribe your personal values to
what the company does. If you don't want to support, fine,
but don't try to say that Disney is supposed to
be this or supposed to be that, and you're denying
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what we already know Disney to be. And sometimes I think,
I think this is the real issue. They conflate the
brand Disney with Walt Disney of nineteen fifty five. It's
not that anymore. It's inclusive of Paramount and Pixar and
Star Wars and Marble, all these disparate properties appealing to
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very different audiences. Star Wars is not for kids anymore.
It hasn't been for quite some time. In fact, people
are angry that it's actually trended just a little younger
than what it was when it first came out in
the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
When Disney took.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Over, they tried to, i'll say, kid it down, and
it hasn't worked. But Star Wars has been an older
property as far as maturity level, it's always been PG.
So the belief that Disney is anything under the umbrella
of Disney is supposed to cater to children or is
not supposed to have an adult theme, I think it's
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just dishonest.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I can't even call it disingenuous.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think it denies what we already know about the
Disney banner and all of the brands it includes, which
includes FX. No, let's not forget you know, when you
turn on The Old Man and that's on FX, that's
a Disney property now. And if they wanted to do
the Old Man Jeff Bridges show at Disneyland, well it's
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probably going to be a lot of killing.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I mean, look, you know, a lot of a lot
of these protests and a lot of the comments I read.
These are the same people that want to ban books
in libraries and in the OC. These are people who
you know, have all types of hang ups about what
we should do in our households because they don't do
it in their households.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I would never allow my kid to Okay, got it. Okay,
But you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You can't if you're going to complain or allege that
Disney is gone woke and also complain that Disney is
unrestrained and is offering content regardless of what society may
be saying, because they want to do what they want
to do with their brand.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If you think that Disney's trying to cater to certain groups,
and then at the same time puts out Disney of
Deadpool and Wolverine, which is full of profanity, which is
full of violence, which is full of innu window, which
is full of racial humor.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
All through it, you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You can't call them woke for this and then complain
that well, Deadpool and Wolverine they break all the rules
and they make fun of everyone.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Is it clear, you want free speech, but then you
don't want this show.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
All I'm saying is I listen to everyone and you
say on Monday that X, Y and Z is important
to you, But then when someone does X, Y and
Z their own way, you say, no, no, no, no, ABC
is important to us. There is nothing politically correct about
Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Can we agree upon that?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So when the politically incorrect comes to an amusement park,
you know what happens. You get more of the politically
incorrect at an amusement park.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And by the way, Disney's not going broke, so they're
going to keep doing what they do because they're still
making money.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I don't know about you, but I have noticed this
outsized impact that social media and traditional media, both together
in tandem, are having on the judicial system. You can
think about or the legal system more generally. You can
(17:06):
think about Free Britney and how that documentary and movement
led to Britney Spears getting out from under that conservatorship.
You can think of surviving r Kelly and how that documentary.
Both parts of that documentary helped push the criminal cases
plural against him and how he ended up in jail
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now prison, most likely for the rest of his life.
You can listen to Unsolved with Steve Gregory here on
KFI and you will see how his work has led
to the advancement in a lot of cases, either exonerations
or criminal charges. We see it time and time again,
but more so now than ever before, and it seems
(17:52):
to be happening again with Eric and Lyle Menendez. The
campaign and momentum they're picking up speed where they could
possibly go free via parole or maybe even a new trial.
I'm old enough, and I don't think Stephan's old enough,
but I'm going to use him as a comparison point.
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I'm old enough to remember when they were originally sentenced
and how that trial was such a big deal about
how Lyle and Eric Menendez killed brutally murdered their parents.
The only thing which is being debated now is whether
there was evidence excluded which could have impacted the decision
(18:37):
of the jury. But I'm not going to get into
all the small details. It's just amazing to me that
from where I sit a lot of this conversation now
and the momentum to where they may actually get either
a new trial or parole is mind boggling to me
because I'm old enough to remember it was just a
(18:58):
foregone conclusion. It's like, how in the world could you
shoot your parents and you're obviously profiting and you're obviously
trying to get your inheritance early.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's how we the general public perceived it.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Originally, rich kids from Beverly Hills killed their parents, made
up some story about being molested, and they shot their
mother in cold blood while she was crawling on her knees.
That is what I remember from the news coverage, and
I would say the general belief about the case it
was one of those cases where people were not even
(19:34):
going to give a second thought to putting them away
for the rest of their lives. And now it's something
that George Gascall might actually have to deal with. Well,
he says he's not going to deal with it until
after the election, but still it's something which has now
become front page news. Even Vanity Fair did a large
(19:58):
expos on the case, and the only through line through
this and the other big profile cases with celebrities that
I was talking about earlier. Is social media and traditional
media changing how we may think of the case. Now
me personally, I don't give a damn. Lyle and Eric
(20:19):
should never see the light of day. There's nothing that
you're going to show me which is going to change
my original thought of it that it's. Yes, they're going
to try to present more evidence that one was molested
by the father.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
There may have been more evidence to that, but if
you knew the case, you knew they.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Weren't in imminent danger and they just blew away their parents. Mark,
I got to ask you, and then I'm want to
go to Steph and Mark because you were most likely
in a different state. Did the Lyle and Eric Menendez
case hit your radar? Because this is pre internet, this
is pre cable.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, I think everybody knew about it and wanted to
know about the two hey.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Thing, Yes, go ahead and explain that, or I will
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Well, it's my understanding. They even touched on it in
this new show that's on what is it FX?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Netflix?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Oh, you're right, yeah, it's the It's by the same
person who did the Dahmer Show, the Monster Show. Correct, Yep, yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah,
one of the one of the brothers. I it's my
understanding where it's the peace and and that came out
as the resulting it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Was, but it was it was obvious during the trial.
I remember as it basically a kid, it's like, that's
a too pay Well, they're all obvious.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I mean people who wear them never know how obvious
they look wearing them because they go from zero to elvis.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You're a Washington but you were a state of Washington
at the time.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Correct reminding you of the year again, I'm trying to
remember where I was.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh, this is thirty five years ago, so this is
maybe eighty nine ish.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Oh yeah, okay, definitely in Washington at the time. Yeah,
we knew that was national news for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, they're convicted in ninety six, but I think the
murders were like an eighty nine or something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, definitely national news.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
And it was shocking because we just the news wasn't
as full of snuff film footage as it is today.
It was a shocking story back then, it was. It
was a huge story. Go ahead, I'm sorry, Well, no,
we just I think we've become a little bit more
numb to violence in the news, because not only does
there seem to be a great deal of it reported
(22:29):
on you know, the old if it bleeds it leads thing.
I know that to be too true from years and
years as a reporter, but I think the actual content
of that that is much more graphic than it used
to be in the old days.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And this was not in the exact same time period,
but it was in i will say the Orbit of
oj and Rodney King. All this was going on in
La in the same i'll say generation news generation, and
it added to the whole trials of the century. There's
always something going on in LA which brings me to you, Stefan,
do you have any memory of this case in trial?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Originally?
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Not originally, but just the only reason I even knew
about it before this came out was because, as most
women are, she was really into true crime. So she
researched it up and down and knew everything about it.
And that's how I learned about it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
If you would have asked me back in the nineteen
nineties whether Eric and Laumann Indez would have ever ever
had any chance at parole, I would have said, no
way in hell. But The positive momentum which is being
generated for them is mind boggling to me.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I haven't changed my mind about it.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I've not heard anything, I've not seen anything which makes
them seem more sympathetic to me. But I do acknowledge
that we as a society have changed our ideas in
a general sense about imprisonment and rehabilitation. The idea of
the death penalty or life without parole, we changed. We're
(24:03):
a very different country today than who we were in
the nineteen eighties. You know, crime was perceived differently than today.
Prisons were different. We didn't have the for profit prisons
that we do today. Back then, it was the United
States was just very, very different if you could remember
(24:23):
back then. And I would never, ever, in my wildest dreams,
thought that these guys would have a chance at getting
out of prison. But it looks like they have a
distinct possibility, not a probability, but they got a good shot.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And George Gascon might even have something to do with it.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Imagine that Kim Kardashian is now throwing her weight behind
this to get them off. Gosh, yeah, she wants to
help the case.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That kind of just makes my point, you know, the
queen of social media in many respects, and all her
followers who were too young to even remember this case.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It matters.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That type of social media matters into day's world. It
helped put r Kelly in prison, it's helping put Ditty
in prison for life, and it helped free Brittany. And
we're seeing again we're social media and the power of
even traditional media in the form of documentaries is changing
(25:24):
how we're viewing a lot of these cases and criminals. Yes,
I said, the criminals. They blew away their parents. I
feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It seems like.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
The crux of the matter that's causing the reevaluation is
that contemporaneous evidence has arisen showing that the Menendez brothers
were abused molested by their father at the time, and
that wasn't known before. So I don't think anybody's disputing
that they did the killing. No, no, no, But it's mitigating circumstance.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, I said that, and I don't, And I said,
it doesn't change the fact that they were not in
imminent danger, which had to do with the murder that
was brought out.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
They didn't have the same evidence. Yes, contemporary evidence.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
There's some letters which validate that the abuse was happening,
but that was broached at trial. I remember that it
just was for the jury. It was not a mitigating factory.
It did not justify in the jury's minds if I
remember correctly, that they needed to murder not only their
(26:26):
father but their mother as well at that moment.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Right, So you know, I still feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It doesn't make me feel more sympathetic to them, because,
for what I remember the case, this was planned, This
was plotted.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
This was first degree.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But you know, if you got Kim Kardashian on your side,
who am I to argue with her?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
All right, before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Got some really good moments tonight, really good thoughts and
conversations started with the election. We talked about how the
one City's using vending machines to vend books and board games.
Didn't think that was a great idea, but did think
that the Orange County School in Huntington Beach is going
to use a QR code to find out where students
(27:16):
are when they leave class as a hall pass. And
I got to get on another soapbox talking about marijuana
use and how some middle schoolers were poisoned it seems
from some laced edibles. So much stuff to talk about
because we all live in this place together, this society.
We may not agree on how it should run or
(27:37):
which direction that's going in, but we should all participate
in this process. And throughout the show tonight, you'll probably
find a recurrent theme that Mark was wrong and I
was right.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
The tapes the tapes. That means they had to listen
to the podcast to find out one way or the other.
Everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
But I do like going back and forth with you, Mark,
because you're thoughtful, and believe it or not, you're more
nuanced than most people are. Not everything is this or that.
Not everything's black or white. There's a lot of gray
in life, a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, And we still just have to keep forcing ourselves
to shake our politics off of things that don't that
it doesn't apply to, and the AI example is one
of those. I mean, it's just its own issue. Regardless
of where you stand on any political spectrum. I actually
disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think no, no, no, no, it's I think it's
more to the extreme. I think politics has very little
to do with most of our lives. Almost nothing has
to do with politics. We have made it a point
to inject politics to everything, but it's not naturally part
of many of these discussions.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
We just want to make it political.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
When we're talking about edibles in schools, that's not a
political discussion, but schools have been politicized to the nth degree.
When we're talking about vending machines and what they should
be selling schools, it's not a political discussion, but people
want to politicize that discussion. Vaccines as well, Oh god, yeah, yeah, vaccines, climate,
all of that. Right, those aren't political discussions. They have
(29:14):
been manipulated and turned into political discussions, but they're not
naturally they not. Historically they haven't been, but more recently
they've turned it into like, for example, we should be
able to discuss Disney without injecting our political beliefs onto it.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, the Disney thing reminds me of every time I
go into an R rated horror film and I see
parents bringing in a young kid, and I'm thinking, for
God's sakes, what do you think you're doing? I mean,
I don't want society to be completely child proof I
like the word nerved. Be a parent. I mean, don't
expect everyone to do it for you. What are you
(29:52):
thinking when you expose your kid to that stuff that
any reasonable person would know is not appropriate. That has
nothing to do with politics, right, But.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Then if we have that same discussion through a political lens,
we start talking about the nanny state where the Democrats
are doing passing these laws. You know, that's how it
becomes political. But at its root, it isn't political, not
at all.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, trouble, we've all become that. It does nothing to
get us to the bottom of any problem. It's just
your team, my team. And what if you're not on
a team and you just want to go where the
facts lead, then both sides hate you.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, well, that's it's funny you say that, because not
a day goes by. Well, maybe a day goes by
where if I check my social media mentions or comments
that are sent to me, I'll never be left enough
to please progressives and I'll never be maga, So Maga
will never appreciate me. And I always say, to a
(30:50):
person who is always going right or always going left,
the person who is not doing either will always seem
either too. Far to the left of the people who
are turning right, and too far to the right of
the people turning left.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
It's an impossible needle to thread, and we shouldn't have to.
We shouldn't have to. But sometimes I think we were
born at the wrong time. You and I are very
similar in this regard. And I don't say that.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I don't endorse political candidates because I want someone to
like me or I'm trying to offend someone less. No,
it's because I'm not wired that way. I don't invest
my personhood in either a political party, a political idea, ideology,
or any type of political issue. It's something I like
(31:40):
to discuss, but it's not something which consumes me or
is part of my personality in any way.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Well, it shouldn't, because orthodoxy is a shortcut around your
responsibility to be an individual thinker and come to conclusions
on your own. Once you adopt the orthodoxy of a side,
you don't have to think anything through for yourself anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Oh, it's much.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Easier, and it's quicker shorthand to say, well, if so
and so believes it or that group does it, it
must be wrong. Oh it's not true. It's not true.
As far as me. Most people aren't even curious enough
to even ask.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
They just assume.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
They just they invariably, And you've seen some of the messages.
People tell me what I believe and it's like and
they want to argue. It's like, and I tell them
what you want to argue? What my favorite color is?
You think you know me better than me? Yes, well,
that's what it comes along with having a public job.
And I encourage people to assume the worst about you.
(32:37):
At Kelly, I knew it. I knew it was coming.
Get off my show.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
It's our show.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Oh oh, you're about to sit through our newscast as well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
If I am six forty. We're live everywhere in the
iHeartRadio app. Will help you figure it out. It's kind
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