April 5, 2025 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on London’s Metropolitan Police charging comedian/actor Russell Brand with rape & sexual assault AND the fight to extend film release theatrical windows…PLUS - Mark Rahner has a review of the new Prime Video series, ‘The Bondsman’ – on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, Wimmo Kelly on.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sex Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, and you might
have heard Mark Ronner discussing this. I should say, reporting
on this during the news break going to have to
have a serious term for a second. And in fact,
I don't think this conversation we're getting ready to have
is appropriate for young people. So if you have a
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child who's in the rum they may want to send
him out for a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Just give you fair warning.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
As we talk about Russell Brand and the news relating
to him. Russell Brand, you may know as an actor,
there have been allegations and rumors swirling for the better
part of I would say maybe ten years honestly regarding
Russell Brand and allegedly raping multiple women. Now he has
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been charged with rape, in decent assault and sexual assault
by London's Metropolitan Police, charge with one count of rape,
one count of indecent assault, one count of oral rape
and two counts of sexual assault after detectives started investigating
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these allegations eighteen months ago. Russell Brand has already made
a public response to the charges. In short, he said
that quote the law has become a weapon close quote
and let me I'm not going to let him off
the hook for that, if only because this is not
a civil lawsuit. What I mean by that is you
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can sue anyone and then you can let a court
decide whether it has any merit or whether it should
be thrown out before it goes to trial. But nothing
is stopping anyone from suing someone else. I could sue
someone for sexual assault and then in the investigation of
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it or of the analysis of the judge may say, Okay, you.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Don't have enough here, I'm throwing it out.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's different from someone being charged where there's an evidentiary
finding probable cause. I know this is in England, so
their laws may be somewhat different, but I know that
you just can't have someone charge if there's nothing there.
There's something there which has justified them affecting an arrest.
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So for Russell Brand to dismiss it as somehow to
some sort of witch hunt my word or somehow someone
is weaponizing the law, it's misleading and I think it's disingenuous.
Doesn't mean that he did the crime. I'm just making
the distinction that charges and allegations.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Are way different, way different.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
There is something there that obviously could have been corroborated
by one or more of these victims. And let me
get into more of these allegations which are supporting the charges.
It's been alleged that Brand raped a woman in nineteen
ninety nine, indecently assaulted another woman in two thousand and
one in another location, orally raped and sexually assaulted a
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third woman in two thousand and four, and between two
thousand and four and two thousand and five sexually assaulted
another woman in a different location.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
There's something that the.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Police have found, have been told and can be corroborated
as solid enough evidence to bring charges. It's not just
someone saying, hey, he did this. There is some level
of corroboration. I don't know if his other witness testimonyal
I don't know if it's d That of course will
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come out as it goes on.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The police did say this quote.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The women who have made reports continue to receive support
from specially trained officers. The METS investigation remains open and
detectives ask anyone who has been affected by this case,
or anyone who has any information to come forward and
speak with police. A dedicated team of investigators is available
via email. That Yad YadA yah blah blah blah. That's
how I read this. Charges changes everything for me.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, it's one of those things where I see him
trying to dismiss this as this is all back in
the day, This is water under the bridge. I was young,
I was into drugs and sex and rock and roll,
and that's just the time that it was.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But it was always consensual.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And to me, it's always interesting how men try to
pass off their actions as being consensual because in that
moment they felt that it was being consented too. Rarely
do they take into consideration their actions or what was
happening and the reality of what was going on.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And there's another component to this, and we discussed this
with the whole cosby phenomenon, we as a society, our
we have evolved as far as our understanding of what
rape is.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
We have evolved as.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Whether we are more inclined to believe women since the
Me Too movement, Like, for example, the term date rape
did not even exist until like nineteen ninety three, that's
about six years, six years before the first alleged incident
took place.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The whole idea of consent.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Has changed in terms of our understanding as far as
what is providing actual consent? Can someone who's inebriated provide consent?
Those are things which are relatively new in our discussions
when you think about the past five to ten years
our understanding of what actual consent is. And there are
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a lot of things well, like, for example, we may
watch movies down and say, ooh, that's kind of cram'sworth it, ooh,
that didn't age.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, this is the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Our attitudes toward women have evolved, hopefully have grown to
a certain degree. Our understanding of actual consent has changed
and hopefully grown and understanding. But it doesn't mean that
everyone has and Russell Brand not saying that he's guilty,
but he may be of an opinion which is way
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out of touch with our contemporary understanding of consent.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You brought up cosby, which I think is appropriate because
you can reduce a lot of individual things to he said,
she said. But once you have above a certain number
of accusers, you reach a tipping point.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You do you do. And I'm very much Akam's razor here.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
If you have sixty people come forward in terms of
cosby alleging some level of sexual impropriety, sexual assault, that
I'm inclined to believe that not everyone is lying about
everything about you.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You know, if sixty.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Women come forward, I happen to believe that, let's say
fourteen of them or tell them the truth, and forty
six were lying.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, play the odds, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I make this a comparison all the time. If you
raped one person, you're a rapist.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Period.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
For Russell Brand to be innocent my word, then every
allegation by every woman needs to be one hundred percent untrue.
That's why, like, for example, Mark, if I want to
use you just as my foil. Look, if twenty five
people accuse you of murder, but you only murdered one person,
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you're a murderer.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm not sure. I like the direction this is going.
But the person that wouldn't be murder.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Oh yeah, okay, if.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You want to get technical, if you want to purse
words here, no, I mean all jokes and kidding aside.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I would be very concerned when charges are brought.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Its different when we talk about this within the context
of someone uh, you know, filing a civil suit. We
see most of the things being filed against Diddy, our
civil suits, some of them are actual The charges may
be pending in some of them, but so far all
we's seen our civil suits. The moment someone is charged,
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there's some underlying evidence, and it doesn't mean that they're guilty.
Of course, they're innocent until proven guilty court of law.
But we should look at it very differently.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
The other thing that we should note here is that
the world is not a court of law. You don't
have to have a guilty verdict in a court for
you to use your faculties of observation and critical thinking
and see, oh that's not right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's another great point. Thank you for that one. I
try to remind people. A court verdict is not a
determination of truth. A court verdict means either the prosecution
met its burden or did not meet its burden and
proving beyond a reasonable doubt, at least within American law.
It doesn't mean that because oj Simpson was found not
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guilty that he didn't actually do it. It doesn't mean
that Casey Anthony, just because she was found not guilty
didn't actually do it. It doesn't mean that Robert Blake
because he was found not guilty, doesn't mean that he
didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Wait, way you're telling me Robert Blake is a murderer,
and what's left to believe in next Ye, you're gonna
spring OJ on me.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Look, all I'm saying is, since two of the three
are dead, now, we should not confuse a court verdict
as a determination of truth, and we should be able
to separate those things in our minds. A lot of
people want to say, well, so and so was found
not guilty. Oh yeah, that's yes. And the legal distinction
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of whether someone is innocent or guilty, Yes, that's why
you're found not guilty, not innocent.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, you can get off in court, so to speak,
but still have every rational person with a brain and
eyes understand that you're probably guilty. Dick Kavitt, there was
an apocryphal story about Dick Cavitt being at a party
with OJ, and OJ comes and talks to him and
he says, I think I'll go and talk to somebody
over here who hasn't killed somebody. And I reached out
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to Kaviot and his assistant said that he never actually
said that, but I thought it was a terrific story.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Look, did I tell you about the story when I
would see Robert Blake all the time? No? Oh, yeah, yeah,
I was living in Studio City. I know, we got
to go to breakstefp and stop looking at me like that.
I was living in Studio City and I lived next
door to the Sportsman's Lodge when it was there, it's
torn down now Robert Blake, and this was after he
was found not guilty. Sportsman's Lodge used to have like
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karaoke on Wednesdays. I would go in and see karaoke
Robert Blake. Everyone knew him there. There was like an
elderly contingent to the Sportsman's Lodge. I don't know if
I had they had Bengo or something like that, but
you had a lot of old people there. You have karaoke.
Robert Blake could come in and get his dinner. Everyone
knew who he was. For the most part. Nobody bothered him.
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But it was Robert Blake. Everybody know this is the
guy who most likely killed Bodily Bakeley. I only bring
that up because the difference between Robert Blake and OJ
is that Robert Blake knew to sit his ass down.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And shut up.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, that's true because he you know, he left public
life light for the most part, and Casey Anthony did
up until recently she got on TikTok and trying to
do some venture.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But that's part of the reason with OJ.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think if OJ had sat down and gone away,
the rest of his life would have been a lot better.
But yeah, I ran into Robert Blake a bunch of
times at the Sportsman's Lodge.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Keep your distance. He's dead now, well now, yeah, it's
easy to keep your eyes. I wasn't gonna look.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It wasn't like I was going to get in the
car with him and have him say, hey, wait right
here while I run in here real quick by a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You know. So no, you wouldn't want to approach him
for an autograph, No, no.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
But we exchanged pleasantries. You know, it's it is Robert Blake,
it's you know you wa wait, wait, wait a minute,
buried the lead there.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
How do you make small talk with somebody who you
know is a murderer?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Stop that stuff? And I know we got to go
to break. I need an answer.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's small talk. Because I'm singing karaoke there every week.
You get to kind of know people who are there.
He's there, always having his dinner whatever it is, and
I'm always there. Singing, so you have like casual conversation.
It never came out by the way, I k Robert,
did you think I should sing Bohemian Rhapsody? Oh okay, Stephan,
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you win six forty. We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app.
We tried to have a serious conversation. We really did.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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And it's gonna be a live show. It's not like
we're gonna put up a video podcast. After the fact
that interaction I had with Stephan where he was telling
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me to go to break, you will see that that
condescending nature which Mark Ronner will address me.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You will see that oh dare you? How dare you?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And you actually get to see Mark Ronner as he's
delivering the news to in the news where you don't
have to wonder what it's like.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You'll be able to see it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There's a camera where you can see him doing his
news thing in his very semi professional way.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You can address any different Yeah, I might well kind
of sort of a tie a bow tie. No no,
I'm no dude, do like a Chippendale bow tie and
no shirt thing.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think that'd be good. See what I mean, see
what I'm up against.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But actually get to see that banter, that interaction starting
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It may not be every day, but we'll definitely do
it Monday.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You get to see the show live as it happens,
our flubs, our mistakes, our attempts at humor, our attempts
at trying to embarrass one another.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's gonna be right at seven o'clock.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
You can see Stephan just completely blow off rimshots.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh completely. It doesn't matter how many great jokes we have.
If Stephan is like distracted by I don't know waters,
he's not going to participate in the show. There wasn't
a joke. Wait a minute, ho else a statement of fact?
Now we get rim shots for no damn reason.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's a meta shot anyhow.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But if you do listen to this show with any regularity.
You know that we have been on this topic that
I'm getting ready to discuss for quite some time. Who
knows we might even had some influence. Maybe I'll just
tell myself that we have this much influence. Remember how
we talk about how movie theaters are struggling for a
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number of reasons, but one of the key reasons is
that they are not enough movies which are in theaters
that people want to see during the week, and the
movies which are i'll say blockbusters or potential blockbusters, are
not in the theaters all that long. In other words,
you know this is going to hit streaming in twenty
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to thirty days, and if you don't want to deal
with the actual movie theater experience, all you have to
do is be patient. And we said, hey, if that
doesn't change, movie theaters will have nowhere to go. There's
nothing that they can do because they need both more
movies and they need movies to stay in theaters longer.
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Adam Aaron, who's the CEO of AMC Entertainment, the largest
theater chain in the US and globally, said there's now
more agreement around extending exclusive theatrical windows to forty five
days quote. I have at least three of the six
major studios who are completely in agreement that we need
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to bring back the forty five day window. This is
what he said to Deadline on Wednesday as a part
of CinemaCon. This is something you just have to have happened,
Adam Aaron goes on. Now, if you look at every
studio except for Disney, the window is get this eighteen
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to thirty six days. I didn't know it was his
low as eighteen days. It's crazy two and a half weeks,
and Disney's been a very successful studio going back to
his remarks, so we shall see. But the largest exhibitor
in the US is in serious dialogue with studio after
studio after studio because we as an industry are leaving
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money on the table by not living up to the
forty five day window. Close quote we mark didn't. We
basically say that you gotta keep movies in theaters longer
if if you want theaters to survive.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, they got to pull out of this death spiral.
And there's some things that are going straight to streaming
that seem insane to me. Did you see the announcement
this week that David Fincher is going to direct Brad
Pitt in a Cliff Booth sequel that Tarantino doesn't want. Yes,
it's like What's Upon a Time in Hollywood or something
like that, a sequel to Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood focusing on the adventures of Cliff Booth the sidekick friend.
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But it's going straight to Netflix, and you're talking about
what would have been what a major emotion picture.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
No, no, no, he's not wrong. I get that, But this
is where you're right. Okay, as far as quality, Stefan,
you're correct. As far as Mark being correct, he's correct
that this something which should be in theaters. It was
a major motion picture released before the sequel, should be
treated equally.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Stephan, Dad's gonna make us shake hand.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I wish people had the live feed, the video feed,
so they could see Stephan in his disgust right now?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
How could you possibly hate that movie? It's the best
thing he's ever done.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
It's just interesting to me because he writes, you write stories,
shouldn't there be a beginning, a middle, and an end.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He's unconventional.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
If you don't think there was a beginning and a
middle and an end, maybe you should have a grown
up sit with you through the movie and explain it
to you.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Wow, or you know, just watch the movie and experience it,
because that's what happens every time. Is you get a beginning, middle,
that's it. That's that's the movie.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Are you sure you saw the same movie that I'm
talking about.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
It is trash, it is garbage. You are unreachable, it
is Unstick with cartoons.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You stick with cartoons, yo, you stick with cartoons.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
The only show, the only redeemable, the only redeemable point
or the only redeemable aspect of that movie is the
Sharon Tate aspect.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Of it at the end. Basically trash.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, no, it is. It's one hundred percent trash. It
could have been a forty five minute Lifetime movie. I
love you and I want you to get the help
that you need. I'm here for you. That is like
two steps below Netflix. Yeah, because that's.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
What it was. I don't know why people like how
about Hallmark?
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Hallmark would work? But yeah, it did not.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
It did not need to be almost three hours of
seeing his foot fetish.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We could just have forty five minutes. Okay, this we
could agree on.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, there are movies which need to be in theaters,
and they need to stay in theaters longer.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Right, it's a radio. You can't just not your head stuff. Yes, yes, affirmative.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, we may disagree on whether this particular upcoming movie
is one of them, but we need to have more
movies in theaters for a longer duration. Streaming definitely has
its place because there are a lot of stuff that's
being made. I definitely would never pay to see in
a theater situation, so the studios will have to work
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that out themselves. I'm not paying, like, for example, a
lot of these Netflix movies that are going direct to Netflix,
like a big what is it Red one with Dwayne
Rock Johns School read, Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah that's Netflix. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Would have never paid to see that. No ever in
a million years. I don't care how much Netflix paid
for it. I'm not paying to see it. That's why
streaming is great. It offers an outlet for mid level
Remember we'd have the straight to VHS movies, the B movies.
Oh yeah, yeah, they're not in the theater. This is
that now just twenty five thirty years later. Yeah, And
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there has to be that sort of outlet. But back
then there were enough movies which were going to be
in theaters for a months where it wasn't an issue.
So the forty five day win will completely agree with
you gotta have it as far as once upon a
Time in Hollywood. I don't know if we need to
have a sequel. I'm just saying, Mark, I'm just I
loved it, and we don't all have to like the
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same thing. But I thought it was terrific.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's basically trash.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
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Speaker 4 (22:23):
When I first saw the trailer for The Bondsman on
Amazon Prime, I thought, that's my kind of show, dead
guy brought back to life to hunt down escape demons.
Kevin Bacon stars with sort of a towny trash accent.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Here's the trailer.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
Did you die.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Mail Enforcement come out with your hands?
Speaker 10 (22:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Maybe I did.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Mister Hollerin, tell me about your new job orientation.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
She knows. Let's have about how you died and went
to hell.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You're only standing here now because we brought you.
Speaker 10 (23:07):
Back, which is just plain silly.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Do you think it's silly? Mister Hallerin what's job?
Speaker 11 (23:16):
Lady?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You're still a bounty hunter, but now you hunt.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Team mates.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
For the devil?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
What two or three folks?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Imagine? How is a prison? And sometimes inmates bust out?
This time one of them busted out? Here and more
am I becoming the born ones?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
And found him sent out?
Speaker 10 (23:43):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Send him back? Just put one and bring.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You'll see hopefully for all of us.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I need to tell you something about your pastor.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
Well, maybe it's not just about killing demons. Hell, if
you can get your family back together.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
You're stuck in this so called job for how.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Long we're.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
The hell runs out of demons?
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Seems like.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You need to see this. There's a pattern. Then call
the hotline of one nine hundred number, charge in ten
bucks a minute.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
What do you expect?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
It's hell? If you fail to process any demons assigned
to you, step on it. We're skipping school. You will
be terminated. Who's this? Who's hold? Did you take our
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son along for a demon fight yesterday? I'm just I
had to do something.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I say here, I think I got all the dirty
stuff leaped out of that. The demons have glowing eyes,
which is good for identification purposes. There's some gore in
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the bondsman. Uh yeah, my kind of show, all right,
dead guy brought back to life to hunt down escape demons.
I knew it was my kind of show because I
really liked it the first time I saw it in
the late nineties, and it was called Brimstone.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Remember that here. Just take a listen to this some
man in a confessional.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
It's been a long time since my last confession. I
was a cop.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's good at my job.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
I was married, I had a good life, and my
wife was raped.
Speaker 10 (26:01):
We Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I caught the guy who did it, but he got off.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
I tracked him down and I killed him, killed him,
killed him.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
This was a terrible, terrible singing my son.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Two months later, I I cornered this petty thief who
had a gun.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He opened up on me. I took five bullets to
the face and.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
Neck and and died. And because I had killed hi
man in cold blood, I went to hell.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Two okay, and their father.
Speaker 11 (26:44):
Now that's funny, but even the most maximum security penitentiaries
from time to time, and made so well escape and
happened on Devil's Island. Happened at all the traps six
weeks ago, that happened in Hell. One hundred and thirteen
of the most vile creatures who ever walked the earth escaped,
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and now they're back.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Prince of Lies, the master of.
Speaker 11 (27:16):
Hell, surely having his subjects back on Earth spreading chaos
and destruction, well, this would bring a smile to his face.
Speaker 10 (27:25):
I don't know farther.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
You, of all people, know that even the devil has
to answer to higher power.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
He screwed out, and now I need someone.
Speaker 11 (27:33):
To fix things, crack down those creatures and send them
back to half.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Okay, you get the idea. And I like that confessional
exposition there, hmm. Awfully similar. Brimstone started that blonde guy
from the thirty something show. His name was Peter Horton.
He's still with us, but he was a cop, not
a bail bondsman. So totally different.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
That show only ran thirteen episodes on Fox. I don't
think it's ever been on video. I got some episode
on VHS in storage someplace, because of course I do.
I checked a couple Torrent sites, and I think you
can find it if you're a filthy scofflaw. Brimstone was
about a cop raised from the dead and hell the
hunt on Escape Demons played things straight, had atmosphere to
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spare compared to The Plopsman, and John Glover was pretty
fun as the devil in that show. It was a
good companion show to other ones on Fox at the time,
like Millennium and of course X Files. If I'm remembering
it right, each time the guy smoked one of the
demons he was hunting, one of his hell tattoos disappeared.
Why am I talking so much about a show from
nineteen ninety eight and not the new one on Amazon Prime. Well,
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it's better. The Bondsman is a horror action comedy. Before
I saw it, I wish they'd played it straight, and
that didn't change after I watched it. Kevin Bacon's character, Hubb,
is divorced. Who is Hub? What kind of a name
is Hub? I just about swore there. He's divorced from
a singer. They got a teenage son, so there's some
irritating perfunctory scenes in dialogue right there. The singer has
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a sleazy boyfriend, and the Bondsman is close with his mom. Bacon,
by the way, sixty six years old, which makes him
only nine years younger than the woman playing his mother.
Nothing against him, actors got to pay for the pool upkeep.
Show's watchable. But about the best thing I can say
about the eight episodes is that they're short, all about
a half hour, give or take. The show is created
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by someone named Granger David. It's his first thing of
any note. I can't say if he ripped off the
older show or ever saw it, or didn't even do
a Google search or what. I had a story stolen
from me once and turned into a show. I can't
tell you the name of it, but when I looked
it up, I saw that the credited writer didn't have
any other major previous credits either. I'm not going to
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accuse the Bondsman writer of theft, because that's serious and
I don't want to go to court. I can't accuse
him of being really unoriginal, though, whether something's ripped off
or just an n original idea done worse than the original,
I still take that as an insult from the creators.
They think we're that dumb. In fact, I tried to
track down the creators of Brimstone. Their name is Ethan
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Rife and Cyrus Boris. They also wrote Kung Fu Panda
will believe it or not. I tried getting a hold
of them. They don't have any social media presence. I
got somebody I know to get me their agent's information
from IMDb Pro. Didn't get an answer from them yet,
So we're just gonna go with what we have here
now that I'm thinking about this, I wrote a zombie
comic background twenty nine and ten called Rotten, and a
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few months ago I saw a Facebook post or ad
or something from someone who also had a zombie property
called Rotten, and I put in the comments, Dude, at
least do a Google search on your title before you
publish something.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No reply.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
And that's the story on this. It's the kind of
show that will only make you want to watch the
original because it's much better.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
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Now back to Mark Rodber for part two real quick.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Along with the economy, some pretty notable people died this
week and they're never coming back either.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
For starters.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
When you might not know the name of Robert McGinnis,
a magnificent artist of some of the best James Bond
movie posters. I think he was ninety nine years old.
I finally had gotten my hands on a Belgian one
for that nineteen sixty seven Casino Royal comedy Bond movie
just learned by the way that Fleming pronounced it Casino Royal,
and I still love the art for that. Look up
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Robert McGinnis and you may realize he was the artist
of some of your favorite movie images or book book covers.
We lost Richard Chamberlain. I was watching the first of
his two Indiana Jones rip off movies on tuob this
weekend when I saw he died. This happens to me
a lot. Not sure if I'm the cause or it's
just a function of the fact that I like so
much old stuff. He was famous for Doctor Kildare, which
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was before my time, but after that he became the
king of the TV mini series Showgun Born Identity Thorn Birds.
Richard Norton a legendary martial artist and actor and choreographer
from Australia in some classics with some of the greats.
Loved him acting in Force five with Joe Lewis and
Benny the Jet or Quetas. He had such a long
and impressive career that he was in the last two
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Mad Max movies and coorted the court their stunts. I
had been seeing posts of his with Cynthia Rothrock on Facebook.
His catchphrase was is it painful? After he just kicked
the crap out of somebody? And Val Kilmer, who we're
going to get into in the next hour. The director
John Frankenheimer, when I was interviewing him for his Not
that Great a Reindeer Games movie. Told me, which you
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don't usually hear from people in show business, he'd never
work with Kilmur again. But that's the tradeoff sometimes instability
and difficulty for just insane talent, and Kilmer was terrific.
Some of my favorites of his that are not Heat
or Tombstone, which you know, real well, real genius. I
don't even know how many times I've seen it. That
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was one of his first big movies. Hilarious Still Wonderland
from two thousand and three, where he plays John C.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Holmes. That's all I'm going to say about it.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Spartan from two thousand and four, a David Mammot movie.
Val Kilmer plus David Mammott is a really cool combination.
Thunderheart from nineteen ninety two. Kilmer plays an FBI agent
with some Native American heritage investigating a crime among Native Americans.
And Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang from two thousand and five.
I think that's his last great one, and it came
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he co starred with Robert Downey Junior, and that came
before Downy's big resurrection with Iron Man. All those are
terrific movies if you haven't seen them, Put them on
your list, track them down.
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Sex Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, and you might
have heard Mark Ronner discussing this. I should say, reporting
on this during the news break going to have to
have a serious term for a second. And in fact,
I don't think this conversation we're getting ready to have
is appropriate for young people. So if you have a
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child who's in the rum they may want to send
him out for a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Just give you fair warning.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
As we talk about Russell Brand and the news relating
to him. Russell Brand, you may know as an actor,
there have been allegations and rumors swirling for the better
part of I would say maybe ten years honestly regarding
Russell Brand and allegedly raping multiple women. Now he has
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been charged with rape, in decent assault and sexual assault
by London's Metropolitan Police, charge with one count of rape,
one count of indecent assault, one count of oral rape
and two counts of sexual assault after detectives started investigating
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these allegations eighteen months ago. Russell Brand has already made
a public response to the charges. In short, he said
that quote the law has become a weapon close quote
and let me I'm not going to let him off
the hook for that, if only because this is not
a civil lawsuit. What I mean by that is you
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can sue anyone and then you can let a court
decide whether it has any merit or whether it should
be thrown out before it goes to trial. But nothing
is stopping anyone from suing someone else. I could sue
someone for sexual assault and then in the investigation of
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it or of the analysis of the judge may say, Okay, you.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Don't have enough here, I'm throwing it out.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's different from someone being charged where there's an evidentiary
finding probable cause. I know this is in England, so
their laws may be somewhat different, but I know that
you just can't have someone charge if there's nothing there.
There's something there which has justified them affecting an arrest.
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So for Russell Brand to dismiss it as somehow to
some sort of witch hunt my word or somehow someone
is weaponizing the law, it's misleading and I think it's disingenuous.
Doesn't mean that he did the crime. I'm just making
the distinction that charges and allegations.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Are way different, way different.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
There is something there that obviously could have been corroborated
by one or more of these victims. And let me
get into more of these allegations which are supporting the charges.
It's been alleged that Brand raped a woman in nineteen
ninety nine, indecently assaulted another woman in two thousand and
one in another location, orally raped and sexually assaulted a
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third woman in two thousand and four, and between two
thousand and four and two thousand and five sexually assaulted
another woman in a different location.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
There's something that the.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Police have found, have been told and can be corroborated
as solid enough evidence to bring charges. It's not just
someone saying, hey, he did this. There is some level
of corroboration. I don't know if his other witness testimonyal
I don't know if it's d That of course will
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come out as it goes on.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The police did say this quote.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The women who have made reports continue to receive support
from specially trained officers. The METS investigation remains open and
detectives ask anyone who has been affected by this case,
or anyone who has any information to come forward and
speak with police. A dedicated team of investigators is available
via email. That Yad YadA yah blah blah blah. That's
how I read this. Charges changes everything for me.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, it's one of those things where I see him
trying to dismiss this as this is all back in
the day, This is water under the bridge. I was young,
I was into drugs and sex and rock and roll,
and that's just the time that it was.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But it was always consensual.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And to me, it's always interesting how men try to
pass off their actions as being consensual because in that
moment they felt that it was being consented too. Rarely
do they take into consideration their actions or what was
happening and the reality of what was going on.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And there's another component to this, and we discussed this
with the whole cosby phenomenon, we as a society, our
we have evolved as far as our understanding of what
rape is.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
We have evolved as.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Whether we are more inclined to believe women since the
Me Too movement, Like, for example, the term date rape
did not even exist until like nineteen ninety three, that's
about six years, six years before the first alleged incident
took place.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The whole idea of consent.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Has changed in terms of our understanding as far as
what is providing actual consent? Can someone who's inebriated provide consent?
Those are things which are relatively new in our discussions
when you think about the past five to ten years
our understanding of what actual consent is. And there are
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a lot of things well, like, for example, we may
watch movies down and say, ooh, that's kind of cram'sworth it, ooh,
that didn't age.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, this is the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Our attitudes toward women have evolved, hopefully have grown to
a certain degree. Our understanding of actual consent has changed
and hopefully grown and understanding. But it doesn't mean that
everyone has and Russell Brand not saying that he's guilty,
but he may be of an opinion which is way
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out of touch with our contemporary understanding of consent.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You brought up cosby, which I think is appropriate because
you can reduce a lot of individual things to he said,
she said. But once you have above a certain number
of accusers, you reach a tipping point.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You do you do. And I'm very much Akam's razor here.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
If you have sixty people come forward in terms of
cosby alleging some level of sexual impropriety, sexual assault, that
I'm inclined to believe that not everyone is lying about
everything about you.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You know, if sixty.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Women come forward, I happen to believe that, let's say
fourteen of them or tell them the truth, and forty
six were lying.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, play the odds, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I make this a comparison all the time. If you
raped one person, you're a rapist.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Period.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
For Russell Brand to be innocent my word, then every
allegation by every woman needs to be one hundred percent untrue.
That's why, like, for example, Mark, if I want to
use you just as my foil. Look, if twenty five
people accuse you of murder, but you only murdered one person,
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you're a murderer.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm not sure. I like the direction this is going.
But the person that wouldn't be murder.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Oh yeah, okay, if.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You want to get technical, if you want to purse
words here, no, I mean all jokes and kidding aside.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I would be very concerned when charges are brought.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Its different when we talk about this within the context
of someone uh, you know, filing a civil suit. We
see most of the things being filed against Diddy, our
civil suits, some of them are actual The charges may
be pending in some of them, but so far all
we's seen our civil suits. The moment someone is charged,
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there's some underlying evidence, and it doesn't mean that they're guilty.
Of course, they're innocent until proven guilty court of law.
But we should look at it very differently.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
The other thing that we should note here is that
the world is not a court of law. You don't
have to have a guilty verdict in a court for
you to use your faculties of observation and critical thinking
and see, oh that's not right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's another great point. Thank you for that one. I
try to remind people. A court verdict is not a
determination of truth. A court verdict means either the prosecution
met its burden or did not meet its burden and
proving beyond a reasonable doubt, at least within American law.
It doesn't mean that because oj Simpson was found not
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guilty that he didn't actually do it. It doesn't mean
that Casey Anthony, just because she was found not guilty
didn't actually do it. It doesn't mean that Robert Blake
because he was found not guilty, doesn't mean that he
didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Wait, way you're telling me Robert Blake is a murderer,
and what's left to believe in next Ye, you're gonna
spring OJ on me.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Look, all I'm saying is, since two of the three
are dead, now, we should not confuse a court verdict
as a determination of truth, and we should be able
to separate those things in our minds. A lot of
people want to say, well, so and so was found
not guilty. Oh yeah, that's yes. And the legal distinction
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of whether someone is innocent or guilty, Yes, that's why
you're found not guilty, not innocent.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, you can get off in court, so to speak,
but still have every rational person with a brain and
eyes understand that you're probably guilty. Dick Kavitt, there was
an apocryphal story about Dick Cavitt being at a party
with OJ, and OJ comes and talks to him and
he says, I think I'll go and talk to somebody
over here who hasn't killed somebody. And I reached out
(10:50):
to Kaviot and his assistant said that he never actually
said that, but I thought it was a terrific story.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Look, did I tell you about the story when I
would see Robert Blake all the time? No? Oh, yeah, yeah,
I was living in Studio City. I know, we got
to go to breakstefp and stop looking at me like that.
I was living in Studio City and I lived next
door to the Sportsman's Lodge when it was there, it's
torn down now Robert Blake, and this was after he
was found not guilty. Sportsman's Lodge used to have like
(11:16):
karaoke on Wednesdays. I would go in and see karaoke
Robert Blake. Everyone knew him there. There was like an
elderly contingent to the Sportsman's Lodge. I don't know if
I had they had Bengo or something like that, but
you had a lot of old people there. You have karaoke.
Robert Blake could come in and get his dinner. Everyone
knew who he was. For the most part. Nobody bothered him.
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But it was Robert Blake. Everybody know this is the
guy who most likely killed Bodily Bakeley. I only bring
that up because the difference between Robert Blake and OJ
is that Robert Blake knew to sit his ass down.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And shut up.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, that's true because he you know, he left public
life light for the most part, and Casey Anthony did
up until recently she got on TikTok and trying to
do some venture.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But that's part of the reason with OJ.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think if OJ had sat down and gone away,
the rest of his life would have been a lot better.
But yeah, I ran into Robert Blake a bunch of
times at the Sportsman's Lodge.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Keep your distance. He's dead now, well now, yeah, it's
easy to keep your eyes. I wasn't gonna look.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It wasn't like I was going to get in the
car with him and have him say, hey, wait right
here while I run in here real quick by a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You know. So no, you wouldn't want to approach him
for an autograph, No, no.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
But we exchanged pleasantries. You know, it's it is Robert Blake,
it's you know you wa wait, wait, wait a minute,
buried the lead there.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
How do you make small talk with somebody who you
know is a murderer?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Stop that stuff? And I know we got to go
to break. I need an answer.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's small talk. Because I'm singing karaoke there every week.
You get to kind of know people who are there.
He's there, always having his dinner whatever it is, and
I'm always there. Singing, so you have like casual conversation.
It never came out by the way, I k Robert,
did you think I should sing Bohemian Rhapsody? Oh okay, Stephan,
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you win six forty. We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app.
We tried to have a serious conversation. We really did.
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Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's Later with mo Kelly. We're live everywhere in the
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And it's gonna be a live show. It's not like
we're gonna put up a video podcast. After the fact
that interaction I had with Stephan where he was telling
(13:45):
me to go to break, you will see that that
condescending nature which Mark Ronner will address me.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You will see that oh dare you? How dare you?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And you actually get to see Mark Ronner as he's
delivering the news to in the news where you don't
have to wonder what it's like.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You'll be able to see it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There's a camera where you can see him doing his
news thing in his very semi professional way.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You can address any different Yeah, I might well kind
of sort of a tie a bow tie. No no,
I'm no dude, do like a Chippendale bow tie and
no shirt thing.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think that'd be good. See what I mean, see
what I'm up against.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But actually get to see that banter, that interaction starting
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It may not be every day, but we'll definitely do
it Monday.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You get to see the show live as it happens,
our flubs, our mistakes, our attempts at humor, our attempts
at trying to embarrass one another.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's gonna be right at seven o'clock.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
You can see Stephan just completely blow off rimshots.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh completely. It doesn't matter how many great jokes we have.
If Stephan is like distracted by I don't know waters,
he's not going to participate in the show. There wasn't
a joke. Wait a minute, ho else a statement of fact?
Now we get rim shots for no damn reason.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's a meta shot anyhow.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But if you do listen to this show with any regularity.
You know that we have been on this topic that
I'm getting ready to discuss for quite some time. Who
knows we might even had some influence. Maybe I'll just
tell myself that we have this much influence. Remember how
we talk about how movie theaters are struggling for a
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number of reasons, but one of the key reasons is
that they are not enough movies which are in theaters
that people want to see during the week, and the
movies which are i'll say blockbusters or potential blockbusters, are
not in the theaters all that long. In other words,
you know this is going to hit streaming in twenty
(15:51):
to thirty days, and if you don't want to deal
with the actual movie theater experience, all you have to
do is be patient. And we said, hey, if that
doesn't change, movie theaters will have nowhere to go. There's
nothing that they can do because they need both more
movies and they need movies to stay in theaters longer.
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Adam Aaron, who's the CEO of AMC Entertainment, the largest
theater chain in the US and globally, said there's now
more agreement around extending exclusive theatrical windows to forty five
days quote. I have at least three of the six
major studios who are completely in agreement that we need
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to bring back the forty five day window. This is
what he said to Deadline on Wednesday as a part
of CinemaCon. This is something you just have to have happened,
Adam Aaron goes on. Now, if you look at every
studio except for Disney, the window is get this eighteen
(16:56):
to thirty six days. I didn't know it was his
low as eighteen days. It's crazy two and a half weeks,
and Disney's been a very successful studio going back to
his remarks, so we shall see. But the largest exhibitor
in the US is in serious dialogue with studio after
studio after studio because we as an industry are leaving
(17:16):
money on the table by not living up to the
forty five day window. Close quote we mark didn't. We
basically say that you gotta keep movies in theaters longer
if if you want theaters to survive.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, they got to pull out of this death spiral.
And there's some things that are going straight to streaming
that seem insane to me. Did you see the announcement
this week that David Fincher is going to direct Brad
Pitt in a Cliff Booth sequel that Tarantino doesn't want. Yes,
it's like What's Upon a Time in Hollywood or something
like that, a sequel to Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood focusing on the adventures of Cliff Booth the sidekick friend.
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But it's going straight to Netflix, and you're talking about
what would have been what a major emotion picture.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
No, no, no, he's not wrong. I get that, But this
is where you're right. Okay, as far as quality, Stefan,
you're correct. As far as Mark being correct, he's correct
that this something which should be in theaters. It was
a major motion picture released before the sequel, should be
treated equally.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Stephan, Dad's gonna make us shake hand.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I wish people had the live feed, the video feed,
so they could see Stephan in his disgust right now?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
How could you possibly hate that movie? It's the best
thing he's ever done.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
It's just interesting to me because he writes, you write stories,
shouldn't there be a beginning, a middle, and an end.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He's unconventional.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
If you don't think there was a beginning and a
middle and an end, maybe you should have a grown
up sit with you through the movie and explain it
to you.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Wow, or you know, just watch the movie and experience it,
because that's what happens every time. Is you get a beginning, middle,
that's it. That's that's the movie.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Are you sure you saw the same movie that I'm
talking about.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
It is trash, it is garbage. You are unreachable, it
is Unstick with cartoons.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You stick with cartoons, yo, you stick with cartoons.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
The only show, the only redeemable, the only redeemable point
or the only redeemable aspect of that movie is the
Sharon Tate aspect.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Of it at the end. Basically trash.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, no, it is. It's one hundred percent trash. It
could have been a forty five minute Lifetime movie. I
love you and I want you to get the help
that you need. I'm here for you. That is like
two steps below Netflix. Yeah, because that's.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
What it was. I don't know why people like how
about Hallmark?
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Hallmark would work? But yeah, it did not.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
It did not need to be almost three hours of
seeing his foot fetish.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We could just have forty five minutes. Okay, this we
could agree on.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, there are movies which need to be in theaters,
and they need to stay in theaters longer.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Right, it's a radio. You can't just not your head stuff. Yes, yes, affirmative.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, we may disagree on whether this particular upcoming movie
is one of them, but we need to have more
movies in theaters for a longer duration. Streaming definitely has
its place because there are a lot of stuff that's
being made. I definitely would never pay to see in
a theater situation, so the studios will have to work
(20:44):
that out themselves. I'm not paying, like, for example, a
lot of these Netflix movies that are going direct to Netflix,
like a big what is it Red one with Dwayne
Rock Johns School read, Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah that's Netflix. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Would have never paid to see that. No ever in
a million years. I don't care how much Netflix paid
for it. I'm not paying to see it. That's why
streaming is great. It offers an outlet for mid level
Remember we'd have the straight to VHS movies, the B movies.
Oh yeah, yeah, they're not in the theater. This is
that now just twenty five thirty years later. Yeah, And
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there has to be that sort of outlet. But back
then there were enough movies which were going to be
in theaters for a months where it wasn't an issue.
So the forty five day win will completely agree with
you gotta have it as far as once upon a
Time in Hollywood. I don't know if we need to
have a sequel. I'm just saying, Mark, I'm just I
loved it, and we don't all have to like the
(21:43):
same thing. But I thought it was terrific.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's basically trash.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
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Talks about pontificates about pop culture.
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Speaker 4 (22:23):
When I first saw the trailer for The Bondsman on
Amazon Prime, I thought, that's my kind of show, dead
guy brought back to life to hunt down escape demons.
Kevin Bacon stars with sort of a towny trash accent.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Here's the trailer.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
Did you die.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Mail Enforcement come out with your hands?
Speaker 10 (22:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Maybe I did.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Mister Hollerin, tell me about your new job orientation.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
She knows. Let's have about how you died and went
to hell.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You're only standing here now because we brought you.
Speaker 10 (23:07):
Back, which is just plain silly.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Do you think it's silly? Mister Hallerin what's job?
Speaker 11 (23:16):
Lady?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You're still a bounty hunter, but now you hunt.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Team mates.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
For the devil?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
What two or three folks?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Imagine? How is a prison? And sometimes inmates bust out?
This time one of them busted out? Here and more
am I becoming the born ones?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
And found him sent out?
Speaker 10 (23:43):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Send him back? Just put one and bring.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You'll see hopefully for all of us.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I need to tell you something about your pastor.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
Well, maybe it's not just about killing demons. Hell, if
you can get your family back together.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
You're stuck in this so called job for how.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Long we're.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
The hell runs out of demons?
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Seems like.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You need to see this. There's a pattern. Then call
the hotline of one nine hundred number, charge in ten
bucks a minute.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
What do you expect?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
It's hell? If you fail to process any demons assigned
to you, step on it. We're skipping school. You will
be terminated. Who's this? Who's hold? Did you take our
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son along for a demon fight yesterday? I'm just I
had to do something.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I say here, I think I got all the dirty
stuff leaped out of that. The demons have glowing eyes,
which is good for identification purposes. There's some gore in
(25:22):
the bondsman. Uh yeah, my kind of show, all right,
dead guy brought back to life to hunt down escape demons.
I knew it was my kind of show because I
really liked it the first time I saw it in
the late nineties, and it was called Brimstone.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Remember that here. Just take a listen to this some
man in a confessional.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
It's been a long time since my last confession. I
was a cop.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's good at my job.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
I was married, I had a good life, and my
wife was raped.
Speaker 10 (26:01):
We Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I caught the guy who did it, but he got off.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
I tracked him down and I killed him, killed him,
killed him.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
This was a terrible, terrible singing my son.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Two months later, I I cornered this petty thief who
had a gun.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He opened up on me. I took five bullets to
the face and.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
Neck and and died. And because I had killed hi
man in cold blood, I went to hell.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Two okay, and their father.
Speaker 11 (26:44):
Now that's funny, but even the most maximum security penitentiaries
from time to time, and made so well escape and
happened on Devil's Island. Happened at all the traps six
weeks ago, that happened in Hell. One hundred and thirteen
of the most vile creatures who ever walked the earth escaped,
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and now they're back.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Prince of Lies, the master of.
Speaker 11 (27:16):
Hell, surely having his subjects back on Earth spreading chaos
and destruction, well, this would bring a smile to his face.
Speaker 10 (27:25):
I don't know farther.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
You, of all people, know that even the devil has
to answer to higher power.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
He screwed out, and now I need someone.
Speaker 11 (27:33):
To fix things, crack down those creatures and send them
back to half.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Okay, you get the idea. And I like that confessional
exposition there, hmm. Awfully similar. Brimstone started that blonde guy
from the thirty something show. His name was Peter Horton.
He's still with us, but he was a cop, not
a bail bondsman. So totally different.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
That show only ran thirteen episodes on Fox. I don't
think it's ever been on video. I got some episode
on VHS in storage someplace, because of course I do.
I checked a couple Torrent sites, and I think you
can find it if you're a filthy scofflaw. Brimstone was
about a cop raised from the dead and hell the
hunt on Escape Demons played things straight, had atmosphere to
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spare compared to The Plopsman, and John Glover was pretty
fun as the devil in that show. It was a
good companion show to other ones on Fox at the time,
like Millennium and of course X Files. If I'm remembering
it right, each time the guy smoked one of the
demons he was hunting, one of his hell tattoos disappeared.
Why am I talking so much about a show from
nineteen ninety eight and not the new one on Amazon Prime. Well,
(28:39):
it's better. The Bondsman is a horror action comedy. Before
I saw it, I wish they'd played it straight, and
that didn't change after I watched it. Kevin Bacon's character, Hubb,
is divorced. Who is Hub? What kind of a name
is Hub? I just about swore there. He's divorced from
a singer. They got a teenage son, so there's some
irritating perfunctory scenes in dialogue right there. The singer has
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a sleazy boyfriend, and the Bondsman is close with his mom. Bacon,
by the way, sixty six years old, which makes him
only nine years younger than the woman playing his mother.
Nothing against him, actors got to pay for the pool upkeep.
Show's watchable. But about the best thing I can say
about the eight episodes is that they're short, all about
a half hour, give or take. The show is created
(29:22):
by someone named Granger David. It's his first thing of
any note. I can't say if he ripped off the
older show or ever saw it, or didn't even do
a Google search or what. I had a story stolen
from me once and turned into a show. I can't
tell you the name of it, but when I looked
it up, I saw that the credited writer didn't have
any other major previous credits either. I'm not going to
(29:43):
accuse the Bondsman writer of theft, because that's serious and
I don't want to go to court. I can't accuse
him of being really unoriginal, though, whether something's ripped off
or just an n original idea done worse than the original,
I still take that as an insult from the creators.
They think we're that dumb. In fact, I tried to
track down the creators of Brimstone. Their name is Ethan
(30:07):
Rife and Cyrus Boris. They also wrote Kung Fu Panda
will believe it or not. I tried getting a hold
of them. They don't have any social media presence. I
got somebody I know to get me their agent's information
from IMDb Pro. Didn't get an answer from them yet,
So we're just gonna go with what we have here
now that I'm thinking about this, I wrote a zombie
comic background twenty nine and ten called Rotten, and a
(30:29):
few months ago I saw a Facebook post or ad
or something from someone who also had a zombie property
called Rotten, and I put in the comments, Dude, at
least do a Google search on your title before you
publish something.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No reply.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
And that's the story on this. It's the kind of
show that will only make you want to watch the
original because it's much better.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
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Speaker 4 (31:50):
Along with the economy, some pretty notable people died this
week and they're never coming back either.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
For starters.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
When you might not know the name of Robert McGinnis,
a magnificent artist of some of the best James Bond
movie posters. I think he was ninety nine years old.
I finally had gotten my hands on a Belgian one
for that nineteen sixty seven Casino Royal comedy Bond movie
just learned by the way that Fleming pronounced it Casino Royal,
and I still love the art for that. Look up
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Robert McGinnis and you may realize he was the artist
of some of your favorite movie images or book book covers.
We lost Richard Chamberlain. I was watching the first of
his two Indiana Jones rip off movies on tuob this
weekend when I saw he died. This happens to me
a lot. Not sure if I'm the cause or it's
just a function of the fact that I like so
much old stuff. He was famous for Doctor Kildare, which
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was before my time, but after that he became the
king of the TV mini series Showgun Born Identity Thorn Birds.
Richard Norton a legendary martial artist and actor and choreographer
from Australia in some classics with some of the greats.
Loved him acting in Force five with Joe Lewis and
Benny the Jet or Quetas. He had such a long
and impressive career that he was in the last two
(32:57):
Mad Max movies and coorted the court their stunts. I
had been seeing posts of his with Cynthia Rothrock on Facebook.
His catchphrase was is it painful? After he just kicked
the crap out of somebody? And Val Kilmer, who we're
going to get into in the next hour. The director
John Frankenheimer, when I was interviewing him for his Not
that Great a Reindeer Games movie. Told me, which you
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don't usually hear from people in show business, he'd never
work with Kilmur again. But that's the tradeoff sometimes instability
and difficulty for just insane talent, and Kilmer was terrific.
Some of my favorites of his that are not Heat
or Tombstone, which you know, real well, real genius. I
don't even know how many times I've seen it. That
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was one of his first big movies. Hilarious Still Wonderland
from two thousand and three, where he plays John C.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Holmes. That's all I'm going to say about it.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Spartan from two thousand and four, a David Mammot movie.
Val Kilmer plus David Mammott is a really cool combination.
Thunderheart from nineteen ninety two. Kilmer plays an FBI agent
with some Native American heritage investigating a crime among Native Americans.
And Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang from two thousand and five.
I think that's his last great one, and it came
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he co starred with Robert Downey Junior, and that came
before Downy's big resurrection with Iron Man. All those are
terrific movies if you haven't seen them, Put them on
your list, track them down.
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