June 12, 2025 • 28 mins
ICYMI: Hour One of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – PART TWO of Mo’Kelly’s special in-depth coverage of the sixth straight day of protests against the ICE raids in Los Angeles with regular guest contributor Tiffany Hobbs weighing in with ‘The Viral Load’ POV - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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to see you, Tiffany Hobbs. Let's get to the viral load. Okay,
good evening everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Viral stories are essentially shaping the face of the news
as we've seen it play out since from I would
say Friday seemed to be the kickoff of this immigration
raid and protest kind of cacophony across the news media.
And these viral stories involve a lot of people creating content,
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some based in rumor, some based in fact, but all
absolutely being shared across different mediums to not only share
information about what's going on, but also to alert people
they feel could be subjected to these immigration raids. One
of the things that I did on Friday was actually
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create my own form of content. On Friday, I went
into the protest zone in downtown LA, because I live
close to where the kind of kickoff of these protests
happen at the Edward R. Royball Federal Building where c
SEI President David Whetta was being held.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
He's since been.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Really you heard, I told the story yesterday about doing
federal grand jury.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So right there, right there, right there,
So drove right there. That's Alameda and Commercial. It's just
south of Temple Street. Right there in the Olvera Street zone,
in the Federal District zone right there is where everything
kicked off. So just to let you guys know what
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I did, I drove into this zone and just wanted to,
out of my own curiosity, see what was going on
with my own eyes, drove in. It was largely uneventful
at the time. I got in, saw a lot of protesters. There,
saw a kind of a main stage where there was
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someone who at the time was leading speeches and chants
and encouraging people to continue to be positive and to
be peaceful. That was interesting to me because while the
crowd appeared largely peaceful and uneventful, there were the signs,
There were the call in response chants, there were you know,
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marches that lasted a few blocks in distance. The response
to that by LAPD was massive, and you saw LAPD
on Friday, this is around six pm, just as this
all was starting because of what had happened in Paramount
earlier in the afternoon, because of what had happened in
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the Westlake district in downtown earlier Friday afternoon. You saw
this increasing police presence at the entrances and exits to
the one oh one and five freeway interchange there, and
you saw these police cars lined up with their officers
standing outside in front of the cars, holding the batons
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in full shields and full padded everything. It looked to
be what people are describing on social media as a
militarized response, and that militarized response was in in tandem
with what was happening, but it looked to be, in
my opinion, kind of an overreach, if you will, given
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what I experienced while I was there on Friday. Like
I said, there was chanting, there was marching, There were
people who were highly emotional, There were people on foot,
there were people in cars. There were flags of all
different country backgrounds and affiliations. But at that time people
were joined by how peaceful they were committed to being
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now Saturday, I was on air, and Saturday seemed to
be when things changed a bit. You still had the
protests going on in Paramount, you still had things going
on around the city, including in downtown LA. But while
I was on air for Saturdays with Tiffany, right around
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five point thirty pm, we got a notification that there
was a black Hawk helicopter landing in Paramount, and social
media went crazy with their sightings, with their accounts, their
first hand accounts, their shared accounts of what they were seeing.
And there's one social media influencer who went especially viral.
(05:28):
His name is Harry Sisson's. He considers himself to be
an influencer who leans a little to the left, I
would say, And his post was sharing about that black
Hawk helicopter landing in Paramount. It was seen by one
point five million people at the time.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Don't run past that it's a black Hawk black Hawk helicopter, yeah,
which connotes a very militarized idea in the middle of
the city.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Absolutely, so, this helicopter lands in Paramount as a response
to the protest in Paramount and Compton at the time,
right there on the border there of Paramount and Compton.
There's a Department of Homeland Security office right there in
that zone, and the Blackhawk helicopter landed there and was
seen unloading ammunition, less lethal rounds, tanks, all sorts of
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things that were very militarized. And the person's account of that,
Harry Sisson, this influencer, his shared post again shared by
millions of people, seen by millions of people, really did
shape how people were seeing the events of Saturday unfold.
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I'm on air, I'm reporting about this, I'm seeing things
on the news, I'm seeing things in social media, and
you start to really feel kind of this ground swell
of information immerse and like I said in the beginning
of this, some fact, some rumor, but all of it
was geared toward informing people all around southern California of
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where immigration and customs enforcement might strike.
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Next Part two of the viral load. Tiffany hops in
just a moment.
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the viral load and Tiffany hops.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
From Friday until today, there have been lots of posts
across social media, and that's what we're talking about, how
imagery and videos are really shaping these immigration protests, these
anti ice protests since they started on Friday in downtown
LA in the Westlake District. So what I've seen personally
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and you might have as well, is an abundance of
posting across different neighborhood or community apps. You have apps
like the Citizen app, which usually documents crime of the
small or larger variety. Well, Citizen has certainly been inundated
with thousands of posts since Friday about ice sightings, about
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purported ice detainments, about all sorts of warnings for community
members who could be directly affected by what's happening with
immigration and customs enforcement. The same can be said for
next door, where neighbors share directly with each other about
what's happening in their neighborhood. And you've had neighborhoods from
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the South Bay all the way up into Ventura County,
and as well the ring Slash Neighbors app, which is
probably one of the newest entries into the viral scene
of news sharing, and that's what I want to focus
on for a moment, because I have the Ring app.
That's that device you can put on your door to monitor.
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It's a camera device. You know, it's security and they
have their own app attached to it so you can
share information. And since Friday, I've seen hundreds of posts
across the Neighbors app with people simply asking what's going on?
What are those loud noises. People have been asking about
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the flash bang noises. People have been asking how to
respond to tear gas or any other sort of chemical
inhalent that they might come into contact with. People have
been asking how to avoid going into areas. Most recently,
people are asking about the curfew. What does the curfew
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mean if you are on the edge of the boundary
like I find my self being. And that then brings
me back to my own personal experience with living near
the directly affected impact zone of this one mile or
one square mile radius where this curfew is now underway.
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I live just outside of it, but because I am
close to it, we have absolutely started to see protest
activity or hear of possible protest activity coming into our
neighborhood as they are being pushed out of downtown LA.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I went back on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Remember I started this by saying that I visited the zone,
the protest zone, that's what I'm calling it, there at
the Federal Building on Friday when all of this just started,
and it was fairly quiet. It's fairly uneventful. Emotional, yes,
but not violent. Going back Sunday was a different experience altogether.
(10:59):
I found myself in the middle of the same zone
on Sunday with about the same amount of people, a
few hundred. The counts are up to one thousand. I
didn't see a thousand people, not to say that that
wasn't that they weren't present, but in where I was,
there were a few hundred people. And we ended up
driving along the one on one North just to kind
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of be looky lose because the one on one North
was open. The one on one South at the time
was closed. And when we got right there to the
closure area of the one on one kind of five interchange,
you did see quite a few squad cars with damage.
You did see, and these are parked on the freeway.
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You did see people on the overpasses and at the
time we didn't see any projectiles, we saw evidence of
something having happened. So we circled back around, came back
into the zone right by Alva Street, right there, cross
from Union Station, if you will, and that's when things
really took a turn and got got hairy, got a
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little dangerous. So we're in a vehicle and there are
people walking everywhere, there are cars moving through. Were pointed
westbound looking at the one oh one freeway right by.
I think that is hmm, I don't remember West Street.
It's just west of Alameda. And as we're sitting there,
we're in traffic and we're stuck. We can't move, we're monitoring.
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Things are tense, but we didn't feel like we were in
any danger. We really felt the emotion of the crowd
until we started to see people run, and then we
felt the panic of the crowd. People started running northbound
on this street that's a north and southbound street, and
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they were covering their faces. You know what that means.
That means in the way that they were covering their
faces wasn't to obscure their identity. No, it was to
be able to breathe. And people started yelling and screaming
that there were tear gas canisters that were deployed and
people were now inhaling all of this tear gas that
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was fastly approaching our vehicle. We're in the car, we
can't move now, we're not documenting now, We're right in
the thick of things, and we have to make a
decision to get out of there to be safe. So
we rolled up the windows closed all the events. People
were literally kind of sliding over the hood of the
car to get out of the way. It was a
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melee and people were running for I imagine at the
time what they thought were their lives because they were
certainly panic stricken. So we were able to navigate get
out of there, did not sustain any damage luckily to
any vehicles. We did see the remnants of the way
mos that were still there that had happened earlier that
day on Sunday, and we got out of there. We
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spent about an hour driving around the zone because of traffic,
just to take pictures. And that's what this entire protest
has been largely about documentation, documentation and sharing and posting
of what people are seeing. There are a number of
images that have been picked up by the AP, by
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CNN that have been circulated, and these images are going
to go down in history. They'll be on the cover
of magazines and the cover of newspapers for years to
come because they have become iconic imagery associated with this
latest round of protests. And the main objective, the main
focus of these pictures that I've seen circulating, is to
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show that the protesters, the people involved, are proud, at
least from my vantage point, to be here, but that
they want equality and that they want representation, and that
they do not want the representation of immigration and customs
enforcement in their neighborhoods. That's what the flags say, that's
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or what they what they denote, That's what the.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Posters are all saying.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And it definitely will be a time in which the
chronicling on social media will continue to shape the narrative.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Fantastic recap. I'm glad that you're safe. You're a dancy safe.
But you know, it's one thing watching on TV.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
It's another thing to experience it and see it up close,
you know, for the safety of your home. It's one thing, yeah,
but when you see it and feel it, completely.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Different experience and if I may I do discourage people
from going down there with their curiosities. Now's not the
time the curfew is in effect. We're not planning to
do that, even though I'm media, because it's it's just
not wise.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's not wise.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You don't want to catch a rubber bullet.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Don't want to catch a rubber bullet.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Definitely saw them being deployed upon people, and there were
people who were agitating the officers and who did not
look to be at all involved with any sort of
anti ice mission. They seem to have their own agenda,
as we see with these sorts of protests. Professional agitator,
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professional agitators.
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You know what, I feel like, I'm in the mood
for an extended version of the viral load, and I know,
Tiffany Hobbes, there are probably some other things going on,
maybe in general social media, things that you might have seen. Well,
(17:11):
put it this way, let me just tell you if
you've seen the same things that I've seen, I see
that social media is now an agent to try to
shape how we perceive the news in the moment that
it's happening. I noticed that when we were going through
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what the protests were going to become, you could see
that if there were two sides as far as trying
to depict it a certain way, LA is burning down
or it's a completely nonviolent protests.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Do you remember with the fires, when all of those
memes went out on social media and people around the
country would check in with you to see and make
sure that the entire city of Los Angelis was not
on fire and that you weren't affected because the pictures
that were going out were it was like a map
of California and you would see flames all over it
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that someone generated and shared and it would go viral.
And that's the narrative that people ran with if they
didn't know any better. Same thing with these protests. And
because there are people on the ground, and because everyone
has a phone in their hands, they're able to control
the story, to write the story as it's happening, to
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dispel any sort of myth, or dispel any sort of
stereotyping or anything that's not to their advantage.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And that's on both sides.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And also I've seen that we have a generation of people,
it's not my generation. I would say it's thirty and younger,
who get all of their news or the perception of
the world in which they live, and they view it
through the prism of social media. You know, the people
that they trust, the influencers who they follow, or the
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things that they see without necessarily knowing how to verify
the authenticity, they just kind of run with it. And
so you have this belief system running through cyberspace of
a given event, which may or may not be accurate,
and oftentimes breaking news happens in such a way that
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not even traditional news can.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Keep up with it absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Take TikTok for instance, there's an entire generation of people
under twenty one, probably even younger than that, who are
going to TikTok especially for their news. And this news
is in its minutia. It's minute by minute, very detailed.
But because it's coming out and you've set this a
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number of times, MO, it's something that I really live
by now. It's important not to be first, but to
be correct and to be accurate. All of this news
that's coming out is not going through an ac recive filter.
It's just out there and people then have to parse
through and use their media literacy to kind of figure
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out what's right and what's not. And because TikTok is
the most popular one for kids, there's a lot of
fear mongering going on right now where the posts are
coming out and they're really scaring people.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And I talk about that, and I was arguing.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I was doing Cissen McCain, which is the video podcast
of Megan McCain, and I was in pitch battle with
their chat group who was not in La, Yes, who
was determined to tell me what was actually going on
in LA And I'm trying to tell people now I
was born, was like, I live seven miles from downtown. Yes, okay,
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I drive through downtown every single day. There's nothing you
can tell me about what's happening in LA from the
privacy of your home in Arizona or Chicago. And they
were trying to say, well, I saw this, I saw that. Yes,
but you don't know that Santa Anna is forty two
miles from downtown LA.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That has nothing to do with the city of La
or Karen both. You lack scope of perspective.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, in context.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
It's funny you say that because those people who are
arguing with you, they just want to be right. They
want to be right, and they want to be first
of the information, and they just want to, you know,
kind of put you in your place as a journalist.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And then there are the.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
People whose intentions are a lot less nefarious. Your cousin
from Wyoming or your aunt in my case from New York.
It's just checking on me to make sure that I
am not you know, having tear gas rain down upon
me just in my every waking moment.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, And talking about social media, it's not uncommon if
you're on meta Facebook, specifically that if there is something
large enough dangerous enough, Facebook will ask you if you
want to mark yourself safe.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes, never happened.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Never happened, because it never rose to that level. It's unnecessary.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
And those of a who live here, especially those of
us who live in close proximity like myself to what's
going on, we know that it is a very small
section of a huge city that's affected. And even within
those boundaries, what was happening was sensationalized because these images
were being circulated over and over again. So it seems,
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certainly if you're on the outside, like things are just
burning down and there are just thousands of cars on
fire on the freeway, when in reality that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I have to find this.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Thread that someone sent to me, which was so perfect
in its formulation. I hope I can find it soon enough.
But oh here it is media literacy tip. Just because
you see one thousand pictures of the same car on
fire doesn't mean that one thousand car cars are on
tap exactly.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
I didn't see that, but that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
We're and people who are not media literate or savvy,
they don't know the difference between live and be role.
They don't, And b roll is something which may be
played in perpetuity again and again and again, and you
see it at seven o'clock. You may see it from
a slightly different angle at eight thirty or nine o'clock,
but it's the same b roll.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
And the algorithm is being shaped by what people are posting.
So if people in a certain region are posting all
about the same thing, and those things are being then
shared in other areas of the country, the algorithm will
shape itself to show you more of that same content.
So whereas you might see your kittens and your puppies
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and your other things on your timeline on a normal day,
because your timeline is flooded with this information, that's what
is going to be shown to you, because there's engagement there.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
When I was talking about when I was on earlier today,
I hope to get some clips. When I was on
Citizen McCain talking to Megan McCain, trying to explain not
to straight to her, but more her audience that when
you say La most people who are not from California
don't know the distinction between La City and La County. No,
they don't and they don't know that Santa Ana is
in a different city, different county, forty two miles away
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from downtown. They don't know that Paramount is twenty two
miles from downtown. As far as they're concerned, it's the
same city because it's connected to the same story.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
One of the things that I've enjoyed is that people
who are local to LA or have some accurate knowledge
of our landscape of our mapping, have been sharing maps
showing specifically where the protest zone is with a circle
encasing the zone, so that people can have perspective about
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the size of LA and LA County and southern California
as a region versus this one square mile that's impacted.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
If you happen to live in let's say Philadelphia, the
size the geographic size of LA, you could easily go
from Philhiladelphia to New York, or you could go from Washington,
d C.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
To Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Geographically that is smaller distance than going from one side
of LA County to the other side of LA County.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
It is it is, and the zone itself takes you,
with no traffic, ten minutes to get around that one
square mile.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And there's a lot within that one square mile.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
That again is affected a lot of businesses that are
closing early to accommodate the curfew.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
A lot's happening, but not only the things which were
not impacted.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And I said this last night, I want to say
it again.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You know, the most active day, for lack of a
better phrase, was Monday, and you have the BT Awards,
you had the Sparts game, and the people downtown.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
There was a marathon in Inglewood and in the evening
people were going to Arawan and Whole Foods on the
West side like nothing was happening. I'm driving in close
proximity proximate. Yeah, the city was still moving. Everything was
still going on as normal. You have people at La
Live enjoying La La, you know. And that's that is
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our relationship to protests. We are a city primed for
these sorts of movements and we are used to them.
So most of us who have been here for any
length of time aren't really moved in a way that
the rest of the country and people outside of La Are.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
And the city did not in any way shut down.
This city did not. It still hasn't shut down. No,
you can't go within that one square mile area downtown,
but pretty much has been life is usual, with the
exception of maybe some freeway blockages. In other words, where
it impacts you as a non participant, non direct observer.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Skid Row is still skid rowing as we talk. They're
still down there doing their stuff as if nothing's going on.
So you know, if you look at that demographic, match
it up or pair it up with the fact that
you won't be able to necessarily order from your favorite
restaurant in Little Tokyo after a certain amount of time.
But the city, as you're saying, is still operating practically
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in a normal way, say for a few hours.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
To wrap this up in a social media context, social
media does not often care about context or provide context.
If you see a photo of two way moos burning,
that is going to be interpreted as complete control, chaos
and anarchy. And when you're talking about one half of
one street.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, three cars, four cars, and not that that's any
way to be minimized because it was not good, but
it is not reflective of the response.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, the context is key, And if you really want
to dispute that, I just want you to go ahead
and look up the Dodger celebration of twenty twenty four
when they set a metro bus.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
On a fire.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean what a couple of weeks ago there
was a takeover I believe in downtown LA or East somewhere. Yeah,
and yeah, they took that bus over and that was
a lot more violent and problematic than any of the
incidents have been.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And then you conflate, Yes, I know, I got to
go to break.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Then you conflate because this has been going on for
five or six days, that somehow the chaos has been across.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The five or six days, and that's just not true.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
We've had two nights of curfews, nothing but violations of
curfew arrest for the most part. Yeah, for the most part.
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to see you, Tiffany Hobbs. Let's get to the viral load. Okay,
good evening everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Viral stories are essentially shaping the face of the news
as we've seen it play out since from I would
say Friday seemed to be the kickoff of this immigration
raid and protest kind of cacophony across the news media.
And these viral stories involve a lot of people creating content,
(01:16):
some based in rumor, some based in fact, but all
absolutely being shared across different mediums to not only share
information about what's going on, but also to alert people
they feel could be subjected to these immigration raids. One
of the things that I did on Friday was actually
(01:38):
create my own form of content. On Friday, I went
into the protest zone in downtown LA, because I live
close to where the kind of kickoff of these protests
happen at the Edward R. Royball Federal Building where c
SEI President David Whetta was being held.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
He's since been.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Really you heard, I told the story yesterday about doing
federal grand jury.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So right there, right there, right there,
So drove right there. That's Alameda and Commercial. It's just
south of Temple Street. Right there in the Olvera Street zone,
in the Federal District zone right there is where everything
kicked off. So just to let you guys know what
(02:25):
I did, I drove into this zone and just wanted to,
out of my own curiosity, see what was going on
with my own eyes, drove in. It was largely uneventful
at the time. I got in, saw a lot of protesters. There,
saw a kind of a main stage where there was
(02:46):
someone who at the time was leading speeches and chants
and encouraging people to continue to be positive and to
be peaceful. That was interesting to me because while the
crowd appeared largely peaceful and uneventful, there were the signs,
There were the call in response chants, there were you know,
(03:10):
marches that lasted a few blocks in distance. The response
to that by LAPD was massive, and you saw LAPD
on Friday, this is around six pm, just as this
all was starting because of what had happened in Paramount
earlier in the afternoon, because of what had happened in
(03:32):
the Westlake district in downtown earlier Friday afternoon. You saw
this increasing police presence at the entrances and exits to
the one oh one and five freeway interchange there, and
you saw these police cars lined up with their officers
standing outside in front of the cars, holding the batons
(03:54):
in full shields and full padded everything. It looked to
be what people are describing on social media as a
militarized response, and that militarized response was in in tandem
with what was happening, but it looked to be, in
my opinion, kind of an overreach, if you will, given
(04:19):
what I experienced while I was there on Friday. Like
I said, there was chanting, there was marching, There were
people who were highly emotional, There were people on foot,
there were people in cars. There were flags of all
different country backgrounds and affiliations. But at that time people
were joined by how peaceful they were committed to being
(04:43):
now Saturday, I was on air, and Saturday seemed to
be when things changed a bit. You still had the
protests going on in Paramount, you still had things going
on around the city, including in downtown LA. But while
I was on air for Saturdays with Tiffany, right around
(05:04):
five point thirty pm, we got a notification that there
was a black Hawk helicopter landing in Paramount, and social
media went crazy with their sightings, with their accounts, their
first hand accounts, their shared accounts of what they were seeing.
And there's one social media influencer who went especially viral.
(05:28):
His name is Harry Sisson's. He considers himself to be
an influencer who leans a little to the left, I
would say, And his post was sharing about that black
Hawk helicopter landing in Paramount. It was seen by one
point five million people at the time.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Don't run past that it's a black Hawk black Hawk helicopter, yeah,
which connotes a very militarized idea in the middle of
the city.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Absolutely, so, this helicopter lands in Paramount as a response
to the protest in Paramount and Compton at the time,
right there on the border there of Paramount and Compton.
There's a Department of Homeland Security office right there in
that zone, and the Blackhawk helicopter landed there and was
seen unloading ammunition, less lethal rounds, tanks, all sorts of
(06:26):
things that were very militarized. And the person's account of that,
Harry Sisson, this influencer, his shared post again shared by
millions of people, seen by millions of people, really did
shape how people were seeing the events of Saturday unfold.
(06:47):
I'm on air, I'm reporting about this, I'm seeing things
on the news, I'm seeing things in social media, and
you start to really feel kind of this ground swell
of information immerse and like I said in the beginning
of this, some fact, some rumor, but all of it
was geared toward informing people all around southern California of
(07:11):
where immigration and customs enforcement might strike.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Next Part two of the viral load. Tiffany hops in
just a moment.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
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Speaker 5 (07:37):
From Friday until today, there have been lots of posts
across social media, and that's what we're talking about, how
imagery and videos are really shaping these immigration protests, these
anti ice protests since they started on Friday in downtown
LA in the Westlake District. So what I've seen personally
(07:58):
and you might have as well, is an abundance of
posting across different neighborhood or community apps. You have apps
like the Citizen app, which usually documents crime of the
small or larger variety. Well, Citizen has certainly been inundated
with thousands of posts since Friday about ice sightings, about
(08:24):
purported ice detainments, about all sorts of warnings for community
members who could be directly affected by what's happening with
immigration and customs enforcement. The same can be said for
next door, where neighbors share directly with each other about
what's happening in their neighborhood. And you've had neighborhoods from
(08:47):
the South Bay all the way up into Ventura County,
and as well the ring Slash Neighbors app, which is
probably one of the newest entries into the viral scene
of news sharing, and that's what I want to focus
on for a moment, because I have the Ring app.
That's that device you can put on your door to monitor.
(09:11):
It's a camera device. You know, it's security and they
have their own app attached to it so you can
share information. And since Friday, I've seen hundreds of posts
across the Neighbors app with people simply asking what's going on?
What are those loud noises. People have been asking about
(09:32):
the flash bang noises. People have been asking how to
respond to tear gas or any other sort of chemical
inhalent that they might come into contact with. People have
been asking how to avoid going into areas. Most recently,
people are asking about the curfew. What does the curfew
(09:55):
mean if you are on the edge of the boundary
like I find my self being. And that then brings
me back to my own personal experience with living near
the directly affected impact zone of this one mile or
one square mile radius where this curfew is now underway.
(10:16):
I live just outside of it, but because I am
close to it, we have absolutely started to see protest
activity or hear of possible protest activity coming into our
neighborhood as they are being pushed out of downtown LA.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I went back on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Remember I started this by saying that I visited the zone,
the protest zone, that's what I'm calling it, there at
the Federal Building on Friday when all of this just started,
and it was fairly quiet. It's fairly uneventful. Emotional, yes,
but not violent. Going back Sunday was a different experience altogether.
(10:59):
I found myself in the middle of the same zone
on Sunday with about the same amount of people, a
few hundred. The counts are up to one thousand. I
didn't see a thousand people, not to say that that
wasn't that they weren't present, but in where I was,
there were a few hundred people. And we ended up
driving along the one on one North just to kind
(11:23):
of be looky lose because the one on one North
was open. The one on one South at the time
was closed. And when we got right there to the
closure area of the one on one kind of five interchange,
you did see quite a few squad cars with damage.
You did see, and these are parked on the freeway.
(11:44):
You did see people on the overpasses and at the
time we didn't see any projectiles, we saw evidence of
something having happened. So we circled back around, came back
into the zone right by Alva Street, right there, cross
from Union Station, if you will, and that's when things
really took a turn and got got hairy, got a
(12:08):
little dangerous. So we're in a vehicle and there are
people walking everywhere, there are cars moving through. Were pointed
westbound looking at the one oh one freeway right by.
I think that is hmm, I don't remember West Street.
It's just west of Alameda. And as we're sitting there,
we're in traffic and we're stuck. We can't move, we're monitoring.
(12:29):
Things are tense, but we didn't feel like we were in
any danger. We really felt the emotion of the crowd
until we started to see people run, and then we
felt the panic of the crowd. People started running northbound
on this street that's a north and southbound street, and
(12:49):
they were covering their faces. You know what that means.
That means in the way that they were covering their
faces wasn't to obscure their identity. No, it was to
be able to breathe. And people started yelling and screaming
that there were tear gas canisters that were deployed and
people were now inhaling all of this tear gas that
(13:11):
was fastly approaching our vehicle. We're in the car, we
can't move now, we're not documenting now, We're right in
the thick of things, and we have to make a
decision to get out of there to be safe. So
we rolled up the windows closed all the events. People
were literally kind of sliding over the hood of the
car to get out of the way. It was a
(13:32):
melee and people were running for I imagine at the
time what they thought were their lives because they were
certainly panic stricken. So we were able to navigate get
out of there, did not sustain any damage luckily to
any vehicles. We did see the remnants of the way
mos that were still there that had happened earlier that
day on Sunday, and we got out of there. We
(13:55):
spent about an hour driving around the zone because of traffic,
just to take pictures. And that's what this entire protest
has been largely about documentation, documentation and sharing and posting
of what people are seeing. There are a number of
images that have been picked up by the AP, by
(14:15):
CNN that have been circulated, and these images are going
to go down in history. They'll be on the cover
of magazines and the cover of newspapers for years to
come because they have become iconic imagery associated with this
latest round of protests. And the main objective, the main
focus of these pictures that I've seen circulating, is to
(14:39):
show that the protesters, the people involved, are proud, at
least from my vantage point, to be here, but that
they want equality and that they want representation, and that
they do not want the representation of immigration and customs
enforcement in their neighborhoods. That's what the flags say, that's
(15:01):
or what they what they denote, That's what the.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Posters are all saying.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And it definitely will be a time in which the
chronicling on social media will continue to shape the narrative.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Fantastic recap. I'm glad that you're safe. You're a dancy safe.
But you know, it's one thing watching on TV.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
It's another thing to experience it and see it up close,
you know, for the safety of your home. It's one thing, yeah,
but when you see it and feel it, completely.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Different experience and if I may I do discourage people
from going down there with their curiosities. Now's not the
time the curfew is in effect. We're not planning to
do that, even though I'm media, because it's it's just
not wise.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's not wise.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You don't want to catch a rubber bullet.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Don't want to catch a rubber bullet.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Definitely saw them being deployed upon people, and there were
people who were agitating the officers and who did not
look to be at all involved with any sort of
anti ice mission. They seem to have their own agenda,
as we see with these sorts of protests. Professional agitator,
(16:11):
professional agitators.
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You know what, I feel like, I'm in the mood
for an extended version of the viral load, and I know,
Tiffany Hobbes, there are probably some other things going on,
maybe in general social media, things that you might have seen. Well,
(17:11):
put it this way, let me just tell you if
you've seen the same things that I've seen, I see
that social media is now an agent to try to
shape how we perceive the news in the moment that
it's happening. I noticed that when we were going through
(17:33):
what the protests were going to become, you could see
that if there were two sides as far as trying
to depict it a certain way, LA is burning down
or it's a completely nonviolent protests.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Do you remember with the fires, when all of those
memes went out on social media and people around the
country would check in with you to see and make
sure that the entire city of Los Angelis was not
on fire and that you weren't affected because the pictures
that were going out were it was like a map
of California and you would see flames all over it
(18:09):
that someone generated and shared and it would go viral.
And that's the narrative that people ran with if they
didn't know any better. Same thing with these protests. And
because there are people on the ground, and because everyone
has a phone in their hands, they're able to control
the story, to write the story as it's happening, to
(18:30):
dispel any sort of myth, or dispel any sort of
stereotyping or anything that's not to their advantage.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And that's on both sides.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And also I've seen that we have a generation of people,
it's not my generation. I would say it's thirty and younger,
who get all of their news or the perception of
the world in which they live, and they view it
through the prism of social media. You know, the people
that they trust, the influencers who they follow, or the
(19:00):
things that they see without necessarily knowing how to verify
the authenticity, they just kind of run with it. And
so you have this belief system running through cyberspace of
a given event, which may or may not be accurate,
and oftentimes breaking news happens in such a way that
(19:20):
not even traditional news can.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Keep up with it absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Take TikTok for instance, there's an entire generation of people
under twenty one, probably even younger than that, who are
going to TikTok especially for their news. And this news
is in its minutia. It's minute by minute, very detailed.
But because it's coming out and you've set this a
(19:47):
number of times, MO, it's something that I really live
by now. It's important not to be first, but to
be correct and to be accurate. All of this news
that's coming out is not going through an ac recive filter.
It's just out there and people then have to parse
through and use their media literacy to kind of figure
(20:08):
out what's right and what's not. And because TikTok is
the most popular one for kids, there's a lot of
fear mongering going on right now where the posts are
coming out and they're really scaring people.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And I talk about that, and I was arguing.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I was doing Cissen McCain, which is the video podcast
of Megan McCain, and I was in pitch battle with
their chat group who was not in La, Yes, who
was determined to tell me what was actually going on
in LA And I'm trying to tell people now I
was born, was like, I live seven miles from downtown. Yes, okay,
(20:43):
I drive through downtown every single day. There's nothing you
can tell me about what's happening in LA from the
privacy of your home in Arizona or Chicago. And they
were trying to say, well, I saw this, I saw that. Yes,
but you don't know that Santa Anna is forty two
miles from downtown LA.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That has nothing to do with the city of La
or Karen both. You lack scope of perspective.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, in context.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
It's funny you say that because those people who are
arguing with you, they just want to be right. They
want to be right, and they want to be first
of the information, and they just want to, you know,
kind of put you in your place as a journalist.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And then there are the.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
People whose intentions are a lot less nefarious. Your cousin
from Wyoming or your aunt in my case from New York.
It's just checking on me to make sure that I
am not you know, having tear gas rain down upon
me just in my every waking moment.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, And talking about social media, it's not uncommon if
you're on meta Facebook, specifically that if there is something
large enough dangerous enough, Facebook will ask you if you
want to mark yourself safe.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes, never happened.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Never happened, because it never rose to that level. It's unnecessary.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
And those of a who live here, especially those of
us who live in close proximity like myself to what's
going on, we know that it is a very small
section of a huge city that's affected. And even within
those boundaries, what was happening was sensationalized because these images
were being circulated over and over again. So it seems,
(22:22):
certainly if you're on the outside, like things are just
burning down and there are just thousands of cars on
fire on the freeway, when in reality that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I have to find this.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Thread that someone sent to me, which was so perfect
in its formulation. I hope I can find it soon enough.
But oh here it is media literacy tip. Just because
you see one thousand pictures of the same car on
fire doesn't mean that one thousand car cars are on
tap exactly.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
I didn't see that, but that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
We're and people who are not media literate or savvy,
they don't know the difference between live and be role.
They don't, And b roll is something which may be
played in perpetuity again and again and again, and you
see it at seven o'clock. You may see it from
a slightly different angle at eight thirty or nine o'clock,
but it's the same b roll.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
And the algorithm is being shaped by what people are posting.
So if people in a certain region are posting all
about the same thing, and those things are being then
shared in other areas of the country, the algorithm will
shape itself to show you more of that same content.
So whereas you might see your kittens and your puppies
(23:38):
and your other things on your timeline on a normal day,
because your timeline is flooded with this information, that's what
is going to be shown to you, because there's engagement there.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
When I was talking about when I was on earlier today,
I hope to get some clips. When I was on
Citizen McCain talking to Megan McCain, trying to explain not
to straight to her, but more her audience that when
you say La most people who are not from California
don't know the distinction between La City and La County. No,
they don't and they don't know that Santa Ana is
in a different city, different county, forty two miles away
(24:12):
from downtown. They don't know that Paramount is twenty two
miles from downtown. As far as they're concerned, it's the
same city because it's connected to the same story.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
One of the things that I've enjoyed is that people
who are local to LA or have some accurate knowledge
of our landscape of our mapping, have been sharing maps
showing specifically where the protest zone is with a circle
encasing the zone, so that people can have perspective about
(24:43):
the size of LA and LA County and southern California
as a region versus this one square mile that's impacted.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
If you happen to live in let's say Philadelphia, the
size the geographic size of LA, you could easily go
from Philhiladelphia to New York, or you could go from Washington,
d C.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
To Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Geographically that is smaller distance than going from one side
of LA County to the other side of LA County.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
It is it is, and the zone itself takes you,
with no traffic, ten minutes to get around that one
square mile.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And there's a lot within that one square mile.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
That again is affected a lot of businesses that are
closing early to accommodate the curfew.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
A lot's happening, but not only the things which were
not impacted.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And I said this last night, I want to say
it again.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You know, the most active day, for lack of a
better phrase, was Monday, and you have the BT Awards,
you had the Sparts game, and the people downtown.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
There was a marathon in Inglewood and in the evening
people were going to Arawan and Whole Foods on the
West side like nothing was happening. I'm driving in close
proximity proximate. Yeah, the city was still moving. Everything was
still going on as normal. You have people at La
Live enjoying La La, you know. And that's that is
(26:10):
our relationship to protests. We are a city primed for
these sorts of movements and we are used to them.
So most of us who have been here for any
length of time aren't really moved in a way that
the rest of the country and people outside of La Are.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
And the city did not in any way shut down.
This city did not. It still hasn't shut down. No,
you can't go within that one square mile area downtown,
but pretty much has been life is usual, with the
exception of maybe some freeway blockages. In other words, where
it impacts you as a non participant, non direct observer.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Skid Row is still skid rowing as we talk. They're
still down there doing their stuff as if nothing's going on.
So you know, if you look at that demographic, match
it up or pair it up with the fact that
you won't be able to necessarily order from your favorite
restaurant in Little Tokyo after a certain amount of time.
But the city, as you're saying, is still operating practically
(27:15):
in a normal way, say for a few hours.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
To wrap this up in a social media context, social
media does not often care about context or provide context.
If you see a photo of two way moos burning,
that is going to be interpreted as complete control, chaos
and anarchy. And when you're talking about one half of
one street.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, three cars, four cars, and not that that's any
way to be minimized because it was not good, but
it is not reflective of the response.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, the context is key, And if you really want
to dispute that, I just want you to go ahead
and look up the Dodger celebration of twenty twenty four
when they set a metro bus.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
On a fire.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean what a couple of weeks ago there
was a takeover I believe in downtown LA or East somewhere. Yeah,
and yeah, they took that bus over and that was
a lot more violent and problematic than any of the
incidents have been.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And then you conflate, Yes, I know, I got to
go to break.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Then you conflate because this has been going on for
five or six days, that somehow the chaos has been across.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The five or six days, and that's just not true.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
We've had two nights of curfews, nothing but violations of
curfew arrest for the most part. Yeah, for the most part.
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