June 19, 2025 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on actress Hillary Swank’s reason for turning down an appearance on ‘Cobra Kai,’ Mattel’s new partnership with OpenAI to develop new products AND an Actor from Tyler Perry’s BET Series ‘The Oval’ filing a lawsuit against the media mogul accusing him of “sexual assault and harassment” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I Am six forty is Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We are live on YouTube, Instagram, and the iHeartRadio app.
And you know we love all things karate Kid here
on this show. It's a part of pop culture since
nineteen eighty four and part of the success of the
show Cobra Kai was. It hit all the right notes.
It told you about all the principal characters. Whatever happened
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to Johnny, whatever happened to Daniel Ali with an eye,
Every single character was accounted for bad Boy Mike Barnes,
bad boy of karate We got to see everyone with
the exception of one person, and that was.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hillary Swank, the next Karate Kid.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And I didn't hate this movie as much as everyone
else did because I loved all things Karate Kid. It
just wasn't a great movie.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I can't do this. I've tried a thousand times. You
remember what I say, first time we do this?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Pray Praying Mantis always dropped to one knee before strake.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Hey, she doesn't fly side kicked a lot?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, okay on reevaluation. It was a bad movie.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It was bad you know, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Going back to Cobra Kai, her character was the only
one that we didn't get any follow up on in
the series of Cobra Kai and Twala.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You and I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We talked about it each season, like, I wonder they're
gonna bring in Hillary Swank.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
They've gotten everyone else.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
She was the only loose end as far as the
Karate Kid universe, the only loose end.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I didn't count Jaden Smith because that was a different
time with different universe all that.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
But we thought that even at the last season of
Cobra Kai, they were just gonna sneak it because they
kept saying there's a major surprise coming, and it wasn't
what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It wasn't Hillary Swang's what was her name, Jenny. I
can't remember what her name was.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. But there's actually an
Eddie Murphy ty in. There was a story that came
out in The Entertainment Weekly today and it detailed how
the writers and producers of Cobra Kai had reached out
to Hillary Swank's people asking if she might want to
be involved on not even like the whole season, maybe
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a one or two episode story arc they did with
Elizabeth Shoe Elie with and I. It turns out it
didn't happen, so we never saw Hillary Swank. But Hillary
Swank and other interviews said, you know, no one has
reached out to me.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
How can both things be true?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And I will use Eddie Murphy as an example or
any big star, you always have to go through the gatekeeper.
And from the way this story reads, the producers of
Cobra Kai were trying to set up a meeting with
Hillary Swank. In other words, they were going through a
third party and go between to see if they could
get Hillary Swank interested. Since the meeting never happened, I'm
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of the opinion that it was never The information was
never passed along to Hillary Swank, so she could reasonably
split us say no one's reached out to me because
it didn't get to her. I'm quite sure Eddie Murphy
has never seen my fifteen requests to have hip on it.
Who was it we had on the show? Oh, it
was Joe Morton. We had Joe Morton from Scandal on
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this show. And at the beginning of the conversation, I
told him like Hey, we've been trying to get you
on for years. I had no idea I would have
been on if I would know, which just meant that
the request never got to him. And he has since
come on the show like one or two other times
since then. But many times, when you're dealing with the publicists,
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or you're dealing with the agent, you're dealing with the manager,
or you're dealing with you know, the production company, those
requests don't necessarily get to the principle. And that's what
it sounds like. Hillary is swank. If she were directly
contacted or the information were passed on, there's no reason
why she just turned out a check like that.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It was basically a cameo.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's not like she had to you know, lead the
series or you know, bear the weight of the success
of the series.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Now form my understanding, now that she is aware, conversations
have begun and new because they're looking at doing a
Cobra Ka spinoff where she can now be a part
of that. So now there's new interest in saying, ah,
we have an angle where we can still bring that
character back because of the legend of Miagi that they're
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going into now.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Right, dig it into Miyagi's past when he was a
young man, when he first came to the United States,
And there are other ways that they could weave her
into the story, Like Daniel is on this search to
find out more about Miagi. Hillary Swank's character could be
doing the same thing and all of a sudden they
cross paths boom both.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I hope that because I don't think any actor
is just going to turn down these free paychecks with
just no real effort involved.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Look, there's a story that came out today and I
never would have thought they would have redone it because
I don't remember it being a good movie. But it
turns out Tom Cruise is doing a sequel to Days
of Thunder, And I said, wait, that wasn't a good
movie to begin with.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It was not.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's a check.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
If Tom Cruise is like, oh, you've got the Days
of Thunder check a sequel all these years later, I'll
do it. There's no way Hillary Swak has turned down
a corpra katch.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yet, right, because no one was asking for Days of
Thunder sequel.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Nobody, no, no one is, no no one. And I
thought it like it was fine, you know, Robert Duvall
was fine. It was fine, you know. It was a
nice racing movie.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I actually liked Talladigga Knights better, yes, the Battle of
Ricky Bobby. But as far as racing movies go, it
was fine. Could they It was fine?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I have to believe that Hillary Swayn did not know,
because there's no reason she turned down a paycheck, which
probably would have been pretty sizable, given that she's an
Academy Award winner and all she would have had to do.
If I liking it to what Elizabeth Shoe did. We're
only talking about two or three scenes. Honestly, Yeah, it
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would have been good for her. It would have given
I think someone like a Hillary Swaang a brand new
lease on a career with a younger audience.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
It would have bridged her back to people who may
not be familiar with her. And I think that's one
of the beautiful things about Cobra Kai's is reintroducing a
franchise from our generation and seamlessly passing it along to
like my daughter like she loves Cobra kaik Like, like
that's her her and her friends.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
They watch it. It's a show that for them it's it's.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
A coming of age story that they can relate to.
And I'm like, wow, it was coming of age story
that I could have related to when I was your age,
and now you're into it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
See that this is why she should have done it.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Absolutely, yeah. They both
they both like it.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
They they like Cobra Kai of course, way more than Karamei,
but they're familiar because of me watching They're like, what
is this and then they watched it, they're like.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh, this is this is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, it's not too late, and hopefully this will generate,
to your point more interest because there's still another story
to be told with Hillary Swank and look, it's it's campy,
it's cheesy, and Hillary Swank is obviously done campy and
cheesy because the next Karate Kid was both campy and cheesy.
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Truth be told, so it fits. But we'll keep hope
alive and hopefully that will eventually happen. At some point
when we come back. We need to piss off Mark
Runner and show him once more that he is wrong.
When it comes to AI, it is inevitable, kind of
like Thanos.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
You're on the side of Ultron not Thanos. I'm on
the side of the You're on the side of the back,
on the side of Thanos, not on the side side
of Agent Smith. I'm on the side of just reality
here because.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They all had a point to be made.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They but they had a good point. See Thanos. We'll
tell you about this. On the other side, Thanos wasn't wrong.
The way he went about it was just psychotic. He
didn't have to use the stones to kill off or
disappear half the universe. How about doubling the food supply Hello,
and it would have been fine. And he also didn't
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have to go about it making war. He could have
just done it quietly. He didn't have to turn onto
a big production.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
No he didn't. Everyone would have just been snapped if
he would.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Have been like what he wanted all the credit. He
want everyone to know who did it. He's a megalomaniac.
He did acted, not a megalomaniac. Mark, if you say so,
we do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
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I don't know if this is life imitating art or
art imitating life. But when I tell you, and also
specifically Mark Ronner, we're going to resume our argument. When
I tell you that Mattel has teamed up with Open
AI to create new products and experiences surrounding the Mattel
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brand and portfolio, don't think that they're the only company
to do it, that's doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Don't think that Mattel is the only one.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And it's not going to be Hasbro tomorrow, or it's
not going to be some other product manufacturer, because that
is the future.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Each of our products and experiences is designed to inspire fans,
entertain audiences, and enriched lives through play. That's Josh Siverman
Betel's c CFO. AI has the power to expand on
that mission and broaden the reach of our brands in
new and exciting ways. Also, so not only are they
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going to integrate it in the products, but they're going
to integrate AI in their internal operations, product development, and
creative ideation, which means jobs are now gone. Designers of
these toys no longer needed.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Imagine how thrilled children will be to hear this news.
What children don't care don't care. All children want the
end product. No child today, I make this daddy, I'll
give you a perpet.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Kids.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I remember when my sister got a Baby Alive and
Baby Alive is a cardios.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You don't know baby alive.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Baby Alive is a doll that you could feed it
and it would defecate.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay, what could be more fun?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But my point is kids don't care if the toy,
the product can do something cool, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
They're not having.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
These sophisticated societal existential discussions about the future of the
labor market.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They don't care.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, they don't care. You're just spreading them for our
robot overlords. Children don't care about that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Kids aren't Kids.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Are already part and parcel in partnership with the overlord.
Ask any kid that's out there chasing after Pokemon with
their phone. They're already out there deep into the AI
world and AI developments with Pokemon, catch them go whatever
it's called, what's taking it to the Yeah? Okay, children
who would essentially be thrilled to play with like a
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face drawn in sharpie on a popsicle stick. I have
to be just through with AI. There's nothing they want
more than some Ai do not make any distinct. That's
a dishonest argument.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And you know it. You're out of your mind.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Mark, you're trying to sell out now before you're put
under the wheel of pain by the robots.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Mark.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
That doesn't happen in the real world. It's like Vishi
Mo and Tuala here.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Okay, kids thought that, well, I shouldn't have this toy
because it was created by robotics and that might have
put people out of work.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Do you think kids think along those lines?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I care.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I think kids don't think, boy, I can't wait to
get home and play with my Chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No, no, no, no, they don't.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
They do.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
There are bunches and bunches and bunches of schools that
are now trying to implement programs to help guide children
to better practices on uh Ai and chat GBT because
they are making friends with these programs. And I will
tell you this, Mark, factories that make Gi Joe and
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barbiering all those things. Where it used to be an
assembly line, it is now just machines, machines that have
a computer program. One person put in the program and
now guess what you're going now? A whole conveyor system
is chin chin chink, Chin chink chink.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Putting it all.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Together, there's going to be a whole generation of products
across When I say, Mattel, we're talking about Barbie, We're
talking about hot Wheels, We're talking about Fisher Price. All
of those next generation toys will probably have either AI
in the development of the product, or AI integrated in
the actual product, or both.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Barbie, I need you to do a fact check for me, Okay, brilling, No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
And I believe I believe Hasbro is also utilizing AI
for the future development of games like Monopoly and things
like that, and and n Hasbro is also saying we
have to lay off bunches and bunches of people due
to the tariffs, and that is one of the reasons
why we are turning towards things like AI to help
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us where we can cut costs and still keep some
people employed. Yeah, this Monopoly game that's been around for
centuries or however long it's been, that's the thing that
was really missing from it. Wasn't A Families couldn't have that.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The digital board games have already included and implemented AI.
You don't think when you're playing risk online that it's
not including AI as the computer player.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It's unnecessary. Who cares it's not needed? Why is it needed?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Mark? It's facilitating I don't know why it's not needed.
I mean you want people slaving away in factories?
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Were were you oppressed somehow by the use of board games?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Was difficult? Path Bro?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And you have board games and they're now digital versions
of the board games, and you play them online.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do you think you're playing an actual person? Do you
do you hate playing with actual people?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Say?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
If you are has Bro and you have the option
of have a player zero option where you're playing against
the computer as we used to call it back in
the day, how rewarding. And you don't have to hire
and pay someone to actually sit there and play online,
and you could have a computer play hundreds of people simultaneously.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Why would you as the company not do that? What
an enriching experience for a child?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah? Kid? No?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
No, no, Mark, kids are already playing against AI bots
and all that. When they're in any of these first
player shooter games. They're not always playing against other kids.
Sometimes they're just playing against the game. An AI program
that is that is guestimating what it is asking you
questions where do you want to go?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Now? Taking you into different worlds, that's all Ai. Well Twaala.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
I hate to step outside of my lane here because
you're a father and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But if you thought it sound like Leslie Nielsen an airplane?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Have you ever see a grown man? Do you like
Gladiator movies? Twela?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Have you considered encouraging your kids to make actual human friends.
They have plenty, and.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know what they do with them? They play online games. Okay,
all right, look.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Mark, We're not living in a world where I could
have my kids walk miles and miles and miles to
the mall and just you know, be out all day
like I was when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, so they took We.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Don't live in that world right now. We live in
the world where people are snatching kids. Yeah, you've solved
the problems of today's youth. Applause for that.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We've been doing this since like nineteen eighty four with
the movie War Games. You know, actually playing online games
against the computer. This is not new, it's just been improved.
Do you know War Games was fiction?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yes, it was fiction, But even back then, the military
was also testing all artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Mark, I don't know what your issue with AI is speaking.
It's vile, it's evil. It's gonna lead to our cheat,
doesn't your data or something. It does nothing but steal
so very personally. It steals from human creators and it
only exists to pad the pockets of despicable human beings
who don't want to pay their fellow human beings to
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do work and be creative. Hey, AI is is it's
rotten to the core. Well, that's true, that's your Well,
it certainly is my Thank goodness, it's my opinion because
I just said it.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Okay, let's talk Tyler Perry when we come back.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
There's no AI in that story as yet, as of
yet can if I am six forty, We're live everywhere
in the iHeartRadio app and I'm gonna let you know.
We're gonna talk Tyler Perry next segment, and then we're
gonna take it to the hallway during the break because
I know it's gonna carry over.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm not coming out to the hallway.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's okay, that's all right. We can do this without you.
Good because we have AI.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
Six forty later with mo Kelly with Live on YouTube, Instagram,
and the iHeartRadio app. And I know that this next
story is going to create a lot of waves because
Tyler Perry is beloved for what he does, beloved. The
quality of his work is debatable, and he has his
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most ardent fans, and he has his haters, but he
up until a certain point, up until now, his reputation,
if you will, has been above reproach. He's helped a
lot of older actors get a second start in this industry.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
He's put a lot of people back in work.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He created this billionaire empire and studio in Atlanta, and
he's pretty much autonomous doing whatever he wants, producing the
TV shows and movies that he wants, even though his
critics say that they're of a lower quality. But personally,
there's really not been any dirt about him until now.
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There is now a two hundred and sixty million dollar
lawsuit regarding Tyler Perry, and it alleges sexual assault, and
it alleges sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Long story short.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
There are text messages screenshots which are in the lawsuit.
It alleges that there was a quid pro quote. If
you do this for me, I'll make sure that you
are made a star that I'll produce this project for you.
It's a story that we've heard before, but this is
different because it's someone the magnitude of Tyler Perry. Let
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me give you a comparison point. Tyler Perry could buy
p Diddy twice over, and so he is one of
the biggest names in entertainment. He is one of the
wealthiest people in entertainment, and he's never faced anything like this.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Now, what do I always say, Twala, what do I
always say? We unfortunately don't know these people.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The plaintiff is Derek Dixon. He appeared in eighty five
episodes of the TV show The Oval. We did have
the star of The Oval on as our guest, Edward Quinn,
but it's not him.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We are familiar with the show, and we're familiar with
Tyler Perry's work on that show. And Dixon says that
he has been trying to fend off Tyler Perry for
a number of years. If he saw the text messages,
and they're everywhere, They're everywhere, screenshots of them. They go
back as far as twenty twenty one, and this has
been ongoing harassment, and it's become more belligerent and more
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pervasive as time has gone on. And Dixon said that,
and I'm paraphrasing, that he was afraid for his future,
he was afraid for the future of his character in
his career, and obviously speaking out against someone the caliber
and stature of Tyler Perry.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I don't know what the truth is.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I do know that in addition to we're not knowing
these people, there will be more that will come out
that will be more difficult to defend.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
If you lead with.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The text messages from four years ago, that tells me
you have been keeping things to use later as evidence
for years. You're starting with the text messages, probably there's
probably audio from phone calls. They're probably recorded conversations in person,
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because there's an intentionality here if you're holding on to
messages from four years ago.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I try to delete messages all the time just to
not clutter up my phone.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But if you're holding onto those he was conscious about
it possibly leading to this one day.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Was he conscious about it leading to this one day
or was he leading it to end up this way?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Because it's like for four years collecting text messages and
and again I'm not blaming Cineville, but to me it
is it does come off as a little bit strange
that he has been building up this cachet of messages
to save up and then is coming out with this
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multimillion dollar lawsuit now. And my train of thought on
this had changed last time we talked to Jackie Ray,
where she spoke on are you coming out basically to
shame the devil? Are you trying to bring justice or
are you trying to get a payday? And have you
been storing all this up all this time to ultimately
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just get a payday? Like cause if it was that pervasive,
I'm sure it wasn't four years of just pervasiveness, was it.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
You do know, because we both worked in the music
industry and we've seen versions of this. There are people
who enter into these kind of understood agreements. Okay, if
I do this, you're going to do this for me,
it's going to help my career. And then somewhere along
the way, either party is dissatisfied with that unspoken agreement
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and then it falls apart. And then you know about
other stuff that that person was doing, and you bring
that in.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I know. Let me just put it this way.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I know people in music industry who slept their way
to the top, and then when they lost control of
that situation, then they wanted to tell.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I know, someone who.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Made monthly payments on rent and everything else and was
getting all types of money from a record execut you
and I know, and even got a car and got
the car as hush payment because it was I need
a ride or do I need to take my bucket
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over to your wife, you know, job or whatever and
introduce myself, and a car was procured.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
So that's what I'm saying. I don't want to and
again I don't want to sound as if I'm doubting
this individual because it's a man, and as if men
cannot be harassed in such a way. It's just this
case right here. Now.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
If by tomorrow we start to see a bevy of
accusations come out against Tyler Perry, then it leads more
credibility to it. And I only say that because for
all these years that Tyler Perry has been building, is
this the first case? And if it's the first case,
it's the first. Whyte Why is it four years of
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you building a case against someone, which is what this
sounds like.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Someone has to be the first.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And this is my only concern because during the years
of the abuse or the harassment, you kept receiving the paychecks.
You kept as if everything was normal. If you can
show me a history of you going to Tyler Perry
human Resources for example, and document is like, Hey, he's
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doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I feel uncomfortable. He won't stop.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I want to create a record of this because I
don't want to lose my job over this. And you
can show me that you were aware of how it
may look and you said no and you told someone
about it that I'm more inclined to believe. But if
you didn't, then it seems like you were okay with
it as long as you were getting something out of it. Yeah,
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we don't know how complicit he was. Was there Was
there a level of relationship? Was it no every step
of the way or did you say no no, no, yes, yes,
yes no no no no yes yo, yes no no, no,
yes no.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
You know, I mean you're in for several seasons, yeah,
eighty five plus episodes of this show. Is that it
was like after the eighty fifth episode, you were like,
oh yeah, okay, well then how you like this lawsuit?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Let's talk about this in a whole Later with Mo Kelly,
We're gonna go to the hallway and continue the discussion.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
With a little more blue commentary.
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Speaker 3 (26:14):
We're live on YouTube, We're live on Instagram, We're live
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and we take it literally to the hallway outside the
studio and continue discussing it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But it's much more free. There's profanity, there's no holding back.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
We get to say everything which is on our minds
that we can't say over the broadcast airwaves. And we
went deep on the issue of Tyler Perry, the issue
of sexual assault and harassment as it relates to men
versus women. How it's a different dynamic as far as
when the alleged victim is a man, and the man
is the accused.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a different dynamic.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And we've talked about Terry Crews when he talked about
how he was sexually assaulted.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Even though the.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Person he accused was physically smaller than him, he was
much larger than him as far as stature in the business.
And I understand it when people are worried about the
future of their career, and that's a consideration, and sometimes
you may put up with things that you wouldn't necessarily
normally put up with. But the question that Twala you
brought up is when you have someone who shows signs
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of premeditation, they are saving the text messages, they're obviously
compiling evidence for a later date, for a rainy day,
it does call into question like were you kind of
okay with this until it wasn't. Yeah, you know, it's
a fair question to ask. And I know that the
defense his lawyers are going to obviously, you know, jump
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on that, but still, you know I would be more concerned.
And you also made this point if anyone else comes out,
because it's usually never with Dinny, wasn't just one with
Bill Cosby, It wasn't just one, Harvey Weinstein, it wasn't
just one. If this leads to five, it leads to ten,
then it makes the original person seem all that much
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more believable, especially if a pattern can be.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Demonstrated.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
And Carnacia brought up a great question, will Tyler Perry pay?
Will he tried to settle out of court? And if
that does happen, does that then make Tyler Perry guilty?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And we were talking about this in the hallway, and
I said, not necessarily, if only because when you have
a lawsuit like this, there's this thing called discovery where
you put everything on the table that you found and
it doesn't necessarily have to do with the specifics of
this case. And I always use the analogy of you know,
you be careful when you let the police into your house.
They may be coming in looking for drugs, but they
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find that you have a dead body in the bathtub.
Meaning when you have discovery to Tyler Perry is going
to have to open up his whole life for everybody,
and their text messages and phone exchanges will be you know,
fodder and also evidence in the case to discern whether
there's a pattern, how he relates to other employees, if
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he propositioned other people, or if there's some other behavior
which is not the focus of this, which then turns
into something else.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I'm not trying to accuse Tyler Perry of anything.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I'm just saying it's a dangerous game when you get
into Discovery realm. And that's part of the reason, like
did he wanted to settle or did settle with Cassie
originally because did he knew that there are a bunch
of other skeletons that he could not.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Let come out?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And the longer that Cassie's lawsuit hung out there, the
more likely stuff came out. As it turned out, it
didn't stop anything. But I'm not saying Tyler Perry's done
something else. I'm saying you lose control of what it
may turn into the moment you go to Discovery. And
that's why many celebrities just say, let me just pay
this money to have this go away, not admitting any
type of fault or culpability, but it's safer for me
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and my brand as Tyler freakin Perry.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I mean, we really just happened to see this with
Shannon Shark when Shannon Sharp was like he paid outright
because he wanted it to be over. He didn't want
his family to be, you know, brought into this. He
didn't want his name drug through the mud. He said,
let me go on and just pay because I need
this to go away. I cannot put my family through this.
I'm gonna go and hide out somewhere because even though
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I'm telling you for a fact that this isn't true,
it doesn't matter right now. I cannot have my family
go through that. I remember years ago, decades ago, when
Michael Jackson made the first payout to alleged accuser.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
He said he.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Did so because he did not want it in the news.
He said, my team and I felt it was best
that we just go on and pay out now and
let this greedy suckubist go away.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Tommy Godlove asked, Hey, Mo, do you think Tyler could
be the next Harvey Weinstein?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, I kind of address that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I'm saying, you know what is one could turn to two,
which could turn to four and five and everything.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
These people, so I can't tell you either way. You know,
people saw Bill Cosby as America's dad. We saw how
that turned out. There's no telling what's in someone's history
or closet or proverbial closet.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So you just don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I just I do know that nothing is impossible in
this entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, that par that far right there.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You're a billionaire, You have a lot of power over people,
and sometimes you use that as leverage over people that
you're trying to get with.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm just being honest. I saw it all the time
in the music business.
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And you know we love all things karate Kid here
on this show. It's a part of pop culture since
nineteen eighty four and part of the success of the
show Cobra Kai was. It hit all the right notes.
It told you about all the principal characters. Whatever happened
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to Johnny, whatever happened to Daniel Ali with an eye,
Every single character was accounted for bad Boy Mike Barnes,
bad boy of karate We got to see everyone with
the exception of one person, and that was.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hillary Swank, the next Karate Kid.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And I didn't hate this movie as much as everyone
else did because I loved all things Karate Kid. It
just wasn't a great movie.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I can't do this. I've tried a thousand times. You
remember what I say, first time we do this?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Pray Praying Mantis always dropped to one knee before strake.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Hey, she doesn't fly side kicked a lot?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, okay on reevaluation. It was a bad movie.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It was bad you know, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Going back to Cobra Kai, her character was the only
one that we didn't get any follow up on in
the series of Cobra Kai and Twala.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You and I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We talked about it each season, like, I wonder they're
gonna bring in Hillary Swank.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
They've gotten everyone else.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
She was the only loose end as far as the
Karate Kid universe, the only loose end.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I didn't count Jaden Smith because that was a different
time with different universe all that.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
But we thought that even at the last season of
Cobra Kai, they were just gonna sneak it because they
kept saying there's a major surprise coming, and it wasn't
what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It wasn't Hillary Swang's what was her name, Jenny. I
can't remember what her name was.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. But there's actually an
Eddie Murphy ty in. There was a story that came
out in The Entertainment Weekly today and it detailed how
the writers and producers of Cobra Kai had reached out
to Hillary Swank's people asking if she might want to
be involved on not even like the whole season, maybe
(02:57):
a one or two episode story arc they did with
Elizabeth Shoe Elie with and I. It turns out it
didn't happen, so we never saw Hillary Swank. But Hillary
Swank and other interviews said, you know, no one has
reached out to me.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
How can both things be true?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And I will use Eddie Murphy as an example or
any big star, you always have to go through the gatekeeper.
And from the way this story reads, the producers of
Cobra Kai were trying to set up a meeting with
Hillary Swank. In other words, they were going through a
third party and go between to see if they could
get Hillary Swank interested. Since the meeting never happened, I'm
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of the opinion that it was never The information was
never passed along to Hillary Swank, so she could reasonably
split us say no one's reached out to me because
it didn't get to her. I'm quite sure Eddie Murphy
has never seen my fifteen requests to have hip on it.
Who was it we had on the show? Oh, it
was Joe Morton. We had Joe Morton from Scandal on
(03:59):
this show. And at the beginning of the conversation, I
told him like Hey, we've been trying to get you
on for years. I had no idea I would have
been on if I would know, which just meant that
the request never got to him. And he has since
come on the show like one or two other times
since then. But many times, when you're dealing with the publicists,
(04:21):
or you're dealing with the agent, you're dealing with the manager,
or you're dealing with you know, the production company, those
requests don't necessarily get to the principle. And that's what
it sounds like. Hillary is swank. If she were directly
contacted or the information were passed on, there's no reason
why she just turned out a check like that.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It was basically a cameo.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's not like she had to you know, lead the
series or you know, bear the weight of the success
of the series.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Now form my understanding, now that she is aware, conversations
have begun and new because they're looking at doing a
Cobra Ka spinoff where she can now be a part
of that. So now there's new interest in saying, ah,
we have an angle where we can still bring that
character back because of the legend of Miagi that they're
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going into now.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Right, dig it into Miyagi's past when he was a
young man, when he first came to the United States,
And there are other ways that they could weave her
into the story, Like Daniel is on this search to
find out more about Miagi. Hillary Swank's character could be
doing the same thing and all of a sudden they
cross paths boom both.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I hope that because I don't think any actor
is just going to turn down these free paychecks with
just no real effort involved.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Look, there's a story that came out today and I
never would have thought they would have redone it because
I don't remember it being a good movie. But it
turns out Tom Cruise is doing a sequel to Days
of Thunder, And I said, wait, that wasn't a good
movie to begin with.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It was not.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's a check.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
If Tom Cruise is like, oh, you've got the Days
of Thunder check a sequel all these years later, I'll
do it. There's no way Hillary Swak has turned down
a corpra katch.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yet, right, because no one was asking for Days of
Thunder sequel.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Nobody, no, no one is, no no one. And I
thought it like it was fine, you know, Robert Duvall
was fine. It was fine, you know. It was a
nice racing movie.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I actually liked Talladigga Knights better, yes, the Battle of
Ricky Bobby. But as far as racing movies go, it
was fine. Could they It was fine?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I have to believe that Hillary Swayn did not know,
because there's no reason she turned down a paycheck, which
probably would have been pretty sizable, given that she's an
Academy Award winner and all she would have had to do.
If I liking it to what Elizabeth Shoe did. We're
only talking about two or three scenes. Honestly, Yeah, it
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would have been good for her. It would have given
I think someone like a Hillary Swaang a brand new
lease on a career with a younger audience.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
It would have bridged her back to people who may
not be familiar with her. And I think that's one
of the beautiful things about Cobra Kai's is reintroducing a
franchise from our generation and seamlessly passing it along to
like my daughter like she loves Cobra kaik Like, like
that's her her and her friends.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
They watch it. It's a show that for them it's it's.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
A coming of age story that they can relate to.
And I'm like, wow, it was coming of age story
that I could have related to when I was your age,
and now you're into it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
See that this is why she should have done it.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Absolutely, yeah. They both
they both like it.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
They they like Cobra Kai of course, way more than Karamei,
but they're familiar because of me watching They're like, what
is this and then they watched it, they're like.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh, this is this is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, it's not too late, and hopefully this will generate,
to your point more interest because there's still another story
to be told with Hillary Swank and look, it's it's campy,
it's cheesy, and Hillary Swank is obviously done campy and
cheesy because the next Karate Kid was both campy and cheesy.
(08:08):
Truth be told, so it fits. But we'll keep hope
alive and hopefully that will eventually happen. At some point
when we come back. We need to piss off Mark
Runner and show him once more that he is wrong.
When it comes to AI, it is inevitable, kind of
like Thanos.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
You're on the side of Ultron not Thanos. I'm on
the side of the You're on the side of the back,
on the side of Thanos, not on the side side
of Agent Smith. I'm on the side of just reality
here because.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They all had a point to be made.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They but they had a good point. See Thanos. We'll
tell you about this. On the other side, Thanos wasn't wrong.
The way he went about it was just psychotic. He
didn't have to use the stones to kill off or
disappear half the universe. How about doubling the food supply Hello,
and it would have been fine. And he also didn't
(09:03):
have to go about it making war. He could have
just done it quietly. He didn't have to turn onto
a big production.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
No he didn't. Everyone would have just been snapped if
he would.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Have been like what he wanted all the credit. He
want everyone to know who did it. He's a megalomaniac.
He did acted, not a megalomaniac. Mark, if you say so,
we do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
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I don't know if this is life imitating art or
art imitating life. But when I tell you, and also
specifically Mark Ronner, we're going to resume our argument. When
I tell you that Mattel has teamed up with Open
AI to create new products and experiences surrounding the Mattel
(09:53):
brand and portfolio, don't think that they're the only company
to do it, that's doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Don't think that Mattel is the only one.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And it's not going to be Hasbro tomorrow, or it's
not going to be some other product manufacturer, because that
is the future.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Each of our products and experiences is designed to inspire fans,
entertain audiences, and enriched lives through play. That's Josh Siverman
Betel's c CFO. AI has the power to expand on
that mission and broaden the reach of our brands in
new and exciting ways. Also, so not only are they
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going to integrate it in the products, but they're going
to integrate AI in their internal operations, product development, and
creative ideation, which means jobs are now gone. Designers of
these toys no longer needed.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Imagine how thrilled children will be to hear this news.
What children don't care don't care. All children want the
end product. No child today, I make this daddy, I'll
give you a perpet.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Kids.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I remember when my sister got a Baby Alive and
Baby Alive is a cardios.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You don't know baby alive.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Baby Alive is a doll that you could feed it
and it would defecate.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay, what could be more fun?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
But my point is kids don't care if the toy,
the product can do something cool, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
They're not having.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
These sophisticated societal existential discussions about the future of the
labor market.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They don't care.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, they don't care. You're just spreading them for our
robot overlords. Children don't care about that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Kids aren't Kids.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Are already part and parcel in partnership with the overlord.
Ask any kid that's out there chasing after Pokemon with
their phone. They're already out there deep into the AI
world and AI developments with Pokemon, catch them go whatever
it's called, what's taking it to the Yeah? Okay, children
who would essentially be thrilled to play with like a
(11:55):
face drawn in sharpie on a popsicle stick. I have
to be just through with AI. There's nothing they want
more than some Ai do not make any distinct. That's
a dishonest argument.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And you know it. You're out of your mind.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Mark, you're trying to sell out now before you're put
under the wheel of pain by the robots.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Mark.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
That doesn't happen in the real world. It's like Vishi
Mo and Tuala here.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Okay, kids thought that, well, I shouldn't have this toy
because it was created by robotics and that might have
put people out of work.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Do you think kids think along those lines?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I care.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I think kids don't think, boy, I can't wait to
get home and play with my Chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No, no, no, no, they don't.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
They do.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
There are bunches and bunches and bunches of schools that
are now trying to implement programs to help guide children
to better practices on uh Ai and chat GBT because
they are making friends with these programs. And I will
tell you this, Mark, factories that make Gi Joe and
(13:05):
barbiering all those things. Where it used to be an
assembly line, it is now just machines, machines that have
a computer program. One person put in the program and
now guess what you're going now? A whole conveyor system
is chin chin chink, Chin chink chink.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Putting it all.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Together, there's going to be a whole generation of products
across When I say, Mattel, we're talking about Barbie, We're
talking about hot Wheels, We're talking about Fisher Price. All
of those next generation toys will probably have either AI
in the development of the product, or AI integrated in
the actual product, or both.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Barbie, I need you to do a fact check for me, Okay, brilling, No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
And I believe I believe Hasbro is also utilizing AI
for the future development of games like Monopoly and things
like that, and and n Hasbro is also saying we
have to lay off bunches and bunches of people due
to the tariffs, and that is one of the reasons
why we are turning towards things like AI to help
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us where we can cut costs and still keep some
people employed. Yeah, this Monopoly game that's been around for
centuries or however long it's been, that's the thing that
was really missing from it. Wasn't A Families couldn't have that.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The digital board games have already included and implemented AI.
You don't think when you're playing risk online that it's
not including AI as the computer player.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It's unnecessary. Who cares it's not needed? Why is it needed?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Mark? It's facilitating I don't know why it's not needed.
I mean you want people slaving away in factories?
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Were were you oppressed somehow by the use of board games?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Was difficult? Path Bro?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And you have board games and they're now digital versions
of the board games, and you play them online.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do you think you're playing an actual person? Do you
do you hate playing with actual people?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Say?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
If you are has Bro and you have the option
of have a player zero option where you're playing against
the computer as we used to call it back in
the day, how rewarding. And you don't have to hire
and pay someone to actually sit there and play online,
and you could have a computer play hundreds of people simultaneously.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Why would you as the company not do that? What
an enriching experience for a child?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah? Kid? No?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
No, no, Mark, kids are already playing against AI bots
and all that. When they're in any of these first
player shooter games. They're not always playing against other kids.
Sometimes they're just playing against the game. An AI program
that is that is guestimating what it is asking you
questions where do you want to go?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Now? Taking you into different worlds, that's all Ai. Well Twaala.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
I hate to step outside of my lane here because
you're a father and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But if you thought it sound like Leslie Nielsen an airplane?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Have you ever see a grown man? Do you like
Gladiator movies? Twela?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Have you considered encouraging your kids to make actual human friends.
They have plenty, and.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know what they do with them? They play online games. Okay,
all right, look.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Mark, We're not living in a world where I could
have my kids walk miles and miles and miles to
the mall and just you know, be out all day
like I was when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, so they took We.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Don't live in that world right now. We live in
the world where people are snatching kids. Yeah, you've solved
the problems of today's youth. Applause for that.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We've been doing this since like nineteen eighty four with
the movie War Games. You know, actually playing online games
against the computer. This is not new, it's just been improved.
Do you know War Games was fiction?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yes, it was fiction, But even back then, the military
was also testing all artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Mark, I don't know what your issue with AI is speaking.
It's vile, it's evil. It's gonna lead to our cheat,
doesn't your data or something. It does nothing but steal
so very personally. It steals from human creators and it
only exists to pad the pockets of despicable human beings
who don't want to pay their fellow human beings to
(17:13):
do work and be creative. Hey, AI is is it's
rotten to the core. Well, that's true, that's your Well,
it certainly is my Thank goodness, it's my opinion because
I just said it.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Okay, let's talk Tyler Perry when we come back.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
There's no AI in that story as yet, as of
yet can if I am six forty, We're live everywhere
in the iHeartRadio app and I'm gonna let you know.
We're gonna talk Tyler Perry next segment, and then we're
gonna take it to the hallway during the break because
I know it's gonna carry over.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm not coming out to the hallway.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's okay, that's all right. We can do this without you.
Good because we have AI.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Six forty later with mo Kelly with Live on YouTube, Instagram,
and the iHeartRadio app. And I know that this next
story is going to create a lot of waves because
Tyler Perry is beloved for what he does, beloved. The
quality of his work is debatable, and he has his
(18:19):
most ardent fans, and he has his haters, but he
up until a certain point, up until now, his reputation,
if you will, has been above reproach. He's helped a
lot of older actors get a second start in this industry.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
He's put a lot of people back in work.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He created this billionaire empire and studio in Atlanta, and
he's pretty much autonomous doing whatever he wants, producing the
TV shows and movies that he wants, even though his
critics say that they're of a lower quality. But personally,
there's really not been any dirt about him until now.
(19:03):
There is now a two hundred and sixty million dollar
lawsuit regarding Tyler Perry, and it alleges sexual assault, and
it alleges sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Long story short.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
There are text messages screenshots which are in the lawsuit.
It alleges that there was a quid pro quote. If
you do this for me, I'll make sure that you
are made a star that I'll produce this project for you.
It's a story that we've heard before, but this is
different because it's someone the magnitude of Tyler Perry. Let
(19:40):
me give you a comparison point. Tyler Perry could buy
p Diddy twice over, and so he is one of
the biggest names in entertainment. He is one of the
wealthiest people in entertainment, and he's never faced anything like this.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Now, what do I always say, Twala, what do I
always say? We unfortunately don't know these people.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The plaintiff is Derek Dixon. He appeared in eighty five
episodes of the TV show The Oval. We did have
the star of The Oval on as our guest, Edward Quinn,
but it's not him.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We are familiar with the show, and we're familiar with
Tyler Perry's work on that show. And Dixon says that
he has been trying to fend off Tyler Perry for
a number of years. If he saw the text messages,
and they're everywhere, They're everywhere, screenshots of them. They go
back as far as twenty twenty one, and this has
been ongoing harassment, and it's become more belligerent and more
(20:45):
pervasive as time has gone on. And Dixon said that,
and I'm paraphrasing, that he was afraid for his future,
he was afraid for the future of his character in
his career, and obviously speaking out against someone the caliber
and stature of Tyler Perry.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I don't know what the truth is.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I do know that in addition to we're not knowing
these people, there will be more that will come out
that will be more difficult to defend.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
If you lead with.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The text messages from four years ago, that tells me
you have been keeping things to use later as evidence
for years. You're starting with the text messages, probably there's
probably audio from phone calls. They're probably recorded conversations in person,
(21:39):
because there's an intentionality here if you're holding on to
messages from four years ago.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I try to delete messages all the time just to
not clutter up my phone.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But if you're holding onto those he was conscious about
it possibly leading to this one day.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Was he conscious about it leading to this one day
or was he leading it to end up this way?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Because it's like for four years collecting text messages and
and again I'm not blaming Cineville, but to me it
is it does come off as a little bit strange
that he has been building up this cachet of messages
to save up and then is coming out with this
(22:23):
multimillion dollar lawsuit now. And my train of thought on
this had changed last time we talked to Jackie Ray,
where she spoke on are you coming out basically to
shame the devil? Are you trying to bring justice or
are you trying to get a payday? And have you
been storing all this up all this time to ultimately
(22:46):
just get a payday? Like cause if it was that pervasive,
I'm sure it wasn't four years of just pervasiveness, was it.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
You do know, because we both worked in the music
industry and we've seen versions of this. There are people
who enter into these kind of understood agreements. Okay, if
I do this, you're going to do this for me,
it's going to help my career. And then somewhere along
the way, either party is dissatisfied with that unspoken agreement
(23:16):
and then it falls apart. And then you know about
other stuff that that person was doing, and you bring
that in.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I know. Let me just put it this way.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I know people in music industry who slept their way
to the top, and then when they lost control of
that situation, then they wanted to tell.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I know, someone who.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Made monthly payments on rent and everything else and was
getting all types of money from a record execut you
and I know, and even got a car and got
the car as hush payment because it was I need
a ride or do I need to take my bucket
(23:59):
over to your wife, you know, job or whatever and
introduce myself, and a car was procured.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
So that's what I'm saying. I don't want to and
again I don't want to sound as if I'm doubting
this individual because it's a man, and as if men
cannot be harassed in such a way. It's just this
case right here. Now.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
If by tomorrow we start to see a bevy of
accusations come out against Tyler Perry, then it leads more
credibility to it. And I only say that because for
all these years that Tyler Perry has been building, is
this the first case? And if it's the first case,
it's the first. Whyte Why is it four years of
(24:42):
you building a case against someone, which is what this
sounds like.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Someone has to be the first.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And this is my only concern because during the years
of the abuse or the harassment, you kept receiving the paychecks.
You kept as if everything was normal. If you can
show me a history of you going to Tyler Perry
human Resources for example, and document is like, Hey, he's
(25:07):
doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I feel uncomfortable. He won't stop.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I want to create a record of this because I
don't want to lose my job over this. And you
can show me that you were aware of how it
may look and you said no and you told someone
about it that I'm more inclined to believe. But if
you didn't, then it seems like you were okay with
it as long as you were getting something out of it. Yeah,
(25:33):
we don't know how complicit he was. Was there Was
there a level of relationship? Was it no every step
of the way or did you say no no, no, yes, yes,
yes no no no no yes yo, yes no no, no,
yes no.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
You know, I mean you're in for several seasons, yeah,
eighty five plus episodes of this show. Is that it
was like after the eighty fifth episode, you were like,
oh yeah, okay, well then how you like this lawsuit?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Let's talk about this in a whole Later with Mo Kelly,
We're gonna go to the hallway and continue the discussion.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
With a little more blue commentary.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (26:12):
I Am six forty. It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We're live on YouTube, We're live on Instagram, We're live
on the iHeartRadio app. If you missed our Hallway Chat,
I'm so sorry, but that's that's what happens when you're
not tuned into the YouTube show. The Hallway Chat is
we take a subject that we were discussing on air
and we take it literally to the hallway outside the
studio and continue discussing it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But it's much more free. There's profanity, there's no holding back.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
We get to say everything which is on our minds
that we can't say over the broadcast airwaves. And we
went deep on the issue of Tyler Perry, the issue
of sexual assault and harassment as it relates to men
versus women. How it's a different dynamic as far as
when the alleged victim is a man, and the man
is the accused.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a different dynamic.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And we've talked about Terry Crews when he talked about
how he was sexually assaulted.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Even though the.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Person he accused was physically smaller than him, he was
much larger than him as far as stature in the business.
And I understand it when people are worried about the
future of their career, and that's a consideration, and sometimes
you may put up with things that you wouldn't necessarily
normally put up with. But the question that Twala you
brought up is when you have someone who shows signs
(27:30):
of premeditation, they are saving the text messages, they're obviously
compiling evidence for a later date, for a rainy day,
it does call into question like were you kind of
okay with this until it wasn't. Yeah, you know, it's
a fair question to ask. And I know that the
defense his lawyers are going to obviously, you know, jump
(27:51):
on that, but still, you know I would be more concerned.
And you also made this point if anyone else comes out,
because it's usually never with Dinny, wasn't just one with
Bill Cosby, It wasn't just one, Harvey Weinstein, it wasn't
just one. If this leads to five, it leads to ten,
then it makes the original person seem all that much
(28:13):
more believable, especially if a pattern can be.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Demonstrated.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
And Carnacia brought up a great question, will Tyler Perry pay?
Will he tried to settle out of court? And if
that does happen, does that then make Tyler Perry guilty?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And we were talking about this in the hallway, and
I said, not necessarily, if only because when you have
a lawsuit like this, there's this thing called discovery where
you put everything on the table that you found and
it doesn't necessarily have to do with the specifics of
this case. And I always use the analogy of you know,
you be careful when you let the police into your house.
They may be coming in looking for drugs, but they
(28:54):
find that you have a dead body in the bathtub.
Meaning when you have discovery to Tyler Perry is going
to have to open up his whole life for everybody,
and their text messages and phone exchanges will be you know,
fodder and also evidence in the case to discern whether
there's a pattern, how he relates to other employees, if
(29:15):
he propositioned other people, or if there's some other behavior
which is not the focus of this, which then turns
into something else.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I'm not trying to accuse Tyler Perry of anything.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I'm just saying it's a dangerous game when you get
into Discovery realm. And that's part of the reason, like
did he wanted to settle or did settle with Cassie
originally because did he knew that there are a bunch
of other skeletons that he could not.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Let come out?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
And the longer that Cassie's lawsuit hung out there, the
more likely stuff came out. As it turned out, it
didn't stop anything. But I'm not saying Tyler Perry's done
something else. I'm saying you lose control of what it
may turn into the moment you go to Discovery. And
that's why many celebrities just say, let me just pay
this money to have this go away, not admitting any
type of fault or culpability, but it's safer for me
(30:05):
and my brand as Tyler freakin Perry.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I mean, we really just happened to see this with
Shannon Shark when Shannon Sharp was like he paid outright
because he wanted it to be over. He didn't want
his family to be, you know, brought into this. He
didn't want his name drug through the mud. He said,
let me go on and just pay because I need
this to go away. I cannot put my family through this.
I'm gonna go and hide out somewhere because even though
(30:31):
I'm telling you for a fact that this isn't true,
it doesn't matter right now. I cannot have my family
go through that. I remember years ago, decades ago, when
Michael Jackson made the first payout to alleged accuser.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
He said he.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Did so because he did not want it in the news.
He said, my team and I felt it was best
that we just go on and pay out now and
let this greedy suckubist go away.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Tommy Godlove asked, Hey, Mo, do you think Tyler could
be the next Harvey Weinstein?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, I kind of address that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I'm saying, you know what is one could turn to two,
which could turn to four and five and everything.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
These people, so I can't tell you either way. You know,
people saw Bill Cosby as America's dad. We saw how
that turned out. There's no telling what's in someone's history
or closet or proverbial closet.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
So you just don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I just I do know that nothing is impossible in
this entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, that par that far right there.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You're a billionaire, You have a lot of power over people,
and sometimes you use that as leverage over people that
you're trying to get with.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm just being honest. I saw it all the time
in the music business.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
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