July 25, 2025 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on the new Amazon AI wristband that listens to everything you say AND tips on recycling your old computers and printers for free on ‘Tech Thursday’ with regular guest contributor; (author, podcast host, and technology pundit) Marsha Collier…PLUS – Author and journalist, Von Braschler joins the program to help Mo’ deal with a rather uncomfortable reoccurring dreams with tips from his latest book, ‘Programming Your Lucid Dreams,’ the “step-by-step guide for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful, and personally insightful” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Kelly, I am six forty. It is Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Check Thursday with the Marsha Collier who joins me now
in studio.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good evening, Marshall. Always great to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hi, Mo.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
How are you doing?
Speaker 6 (00:22):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Did you do that intentionally? Are you dressing to match
your screen? Insert? Bring that back, Dan and so people
can see it. It can't be see that's that's not
a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You plan that.
Speaker 7 (00:34):
Well, No, I'm running out of solid clothing because I'll
come in here with like patterns and you know Matisse's
paintings on clothes, because but you're when you're on camera,
you're supposed to have solid colors.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
So I have all these colors.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It looks nice on you, But we didn't bring you
in to talk about your fashion, although it suits you.
Amazon is back into the listening game once again. Beyond Alexi,
What are they doing now? What dastardly deed are they
up to?
Speaker 7 (01:03):
I mean, have you ever had a day where at
the end of the day you just sit down, says Gosh.
I just wish I could remember what Tuala said to me,
we were talking about something really interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Huh that happens to be about maybe two three times
a week.
Speaker 7 (01:17):
Okay, so that happens. I mean when we came up here,
Tuala and my husband were talking about their new Balanced sneakers.
They were talking about shoes. What I wouldn't have given
to have a recording device with.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They're both new Balance, that's what they do.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
So it's their shoes.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
So this device, it's like a band, you know, like
I have a fitness band, but it's not a fitness band.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
It records everything.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
It'll be bring truly authentic augentic AI.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
To more customers if I understand you correctly.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
There's gonna be a band on my wrist, beyond my phone,
beyond my Alexa, which is listening to everything that I say,
the conversations I have, any musings I may have with
your husband, and then what happens with that information.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
Well, at the end of the day, you'll get reminders
and suggestions and personalized summaries of your day. I mean, ooh,
this is just beyond the company that sold it to Amazon.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
They said.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
When we started, the company was named b We imagined
a world where AI is truly personal, where your life
is understood and enhanced by technology that learns with you.
So you see, now you'll have something on your wrist
that listens to everything you have to say.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And all the things, even when I'm cussing in my
car and people driving by me.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
And it'll get smarter and it'll get to know you
and be able to make suggestions during your day.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I want suggestions unless I ask for a suggestion, like
in other words, where's the nearest flame broiler?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't want a suggestion out of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
There's no asking this.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Alexa does that because I'll say I don't want to
say because that'll trigger someone's Alexa. But if you say Alexa,
do X y Z every four or five commands, it'll
give a suggestion.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm trying to say, like, shut the hell.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Up right exactly exactly, so this you get. No, you
don't get to interact with it. It is merely there
as augentic, which means it has its own agency. It
will just record and work for you and learn from
you so it can give you better advice on things.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah. See, I don't know if I want a re
hash of my day.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Maybe there was something that I really didn't appreciate happening,
and I don't want to have to relive and I
don't need to memorialize in some way.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Well maybe after a month or so, you know, you'll
turn to this device and it'll say, hey, mo, today,
kind of remind me of the day three weeks ago
when you got that d and it'll draw a little
analogy for you and be able to help you learn
how to cope with things.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. I love technology, but I'm not loving this.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Well, this is a deal.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
The startup launch this fitbit like device last year. It's
forty nine ninety nine for the bracelet. That's it, no biggie,
but it's nineteen dollars a month for the monthly subscription. Now,
if you wonder where you're doing, wait.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Wait, wait, do not run past that. There's a monthly
subscription too.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Oh yeah, Well, you know it's got to hold all
that data, and where do you think it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's going to be sold to someone.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Well, they're saying our goal is to make be smarter
without ever requiring access to your personal data.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't know sure that makes me feel better.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
The company's website states, adding the that none of the
data is sold or used for AI learning.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But let me be super cynical real quick before we
go to break.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Sometimes I know that sometimes companies will buy smaller companies
because they just don't want that technology out there. They
want it to at least be proprietary to in this
case Amazon. But I do get the sense they want
this smaller company to be successful because of the data
collection alone.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Or how about they want to take the technology bury
this device and put it into Alexa, which is in
how many televisions right now?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Billions?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, you gotta think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We're gonna think about that during the break when we
come back. I know that I have a bunch of
old compututers and maybe some cell phones and tablets, just
old tech that I probably want to recycle, but I
don't know the right way to go about it. They're
just literally stacked up in the corner in my office.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
The amount of technology we all have sitting around stacked
up under the under a bench in the garage.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, you got thoughts and tips for that.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I got answers, Marcia.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Collier when we come back, answers on what to do
with your old technology. It's Later with mo Kelly. Tech
Thursday with Marshall Callier. We're live everywhere on social media
and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I Am six forty. It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
We're still live everywhere on social media and still joining
me in studio. Is the nice tech lady as they're
calling you in the Motown Chat Marsha Collier, our resident
tech guru.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
How about that, Marsha.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A common question that I have not only for myself,
but I hear from others. It's like, look, I have
four different phones, becau because I don't throw them away,
don't want to give them away because it has data
or might have pictures. I may use it as a
spare drive on occasion. I have an old printer, have
a computer, laptop, it's it's dead, but it still has
data on it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
What should I do with them?
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Well, frankly, I'm with you on phones. I'm not giving
away my phones. I think we should have a Thursday
Night we all bring in all our old phones and
compare you know what we have, because old phones are
cool when you go back and look at them. They're
just spectacular, but.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They're useful in my house.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Some of them I use as cameras or a drive
It's like a drive camera is like a security camera.
There are ways that I can utilize them that I
don't need to really, they don't need to have the
latest software for everything.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But those old big computers, Yes, what do I do
with it? And the printers, Oh my goodness. I mean,
if you go way back, they were sturdily built. You
couldn't take a sledgehammer and break the plastic. Yeah, everybody,
and you know it's you somewhere in your house.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You've got this stack of old tech.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Now.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
I know the city of la has a lot of
electronic waste pickup, which is all well and good, but
you know, you get a postcard in the mail You're
going to have electronic waste pick up six months in
the future, aren't we great? And you forget by the
time it happens. We went to one once and it
was a little drive through. You hand the stuff out
(08:27):
the window of the guy, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
You know it was a.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Great, great city thing. But let me tell you how
to do it for free. Okay, have you been into
a best buy lately.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, I have it not in at least six months.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Well, they will take up to three household items, including toasters,
because technically you can't throw those in the trash per
house can't. I'm kidding, I'm so naive. No, off, you
can't put those in the trash and e readers, everything,
(09:08):
everything technology, three per household per day. But if you've
got laptops, they will take up to five.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
That's fine that they'll take it, But what should I
do in advance of giving it to them?
Speaker 7 (09:25):
Okay, what I do when I get rid of things
like this, first thing I do is delete all the data,
just the manual delete. I go to the directories and
the folders and the whole thing, and I manually delete everything.
Then I I know, you're supposed to go to the
original state right away, but then I sign out. I
(09:47):
delete all the programs that I've installed on said device,
and then I take I sign out of Google.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You'll do all of that instead of why not just just.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Wipe the drive or reset and start over.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
I've kind of wiped it because after I've signed out
a Google, I go to factory reset and we're done. Okay,
so you but all those steps I don't. I don't
want to take a risk. And what I did do is,
you know, Google, just like Apple, has this service where
you find your device. Now, I did give a device
(10:25):
to somebody when I was working on my last book
and they were helping me, and.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I felt very nervous about it.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
So I did all that stuff and I sent it
to him, and then I'm looking for because it's still
on Where's my device?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
For some reason?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Right?
Speaker 7 (10:41):
That made me very nervous where is it? And then
Google couldn't find it on the network.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Let me just say this, I've had find my device
for some time. It's not super reliable because there are
times where I've lost my phone, like around the house
type of thing. And that's the time I'm saying, let
me just see.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
What will do?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Do you play the music?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And sometimes that's part of it is in a lot
of times it doesn't happen. One time, I actually bought
a second phone because I thought my phone was stolen
because I was doing to find my device and it
wasn't ringing my phone like I was supposed to. I
later found the phone four weeks later in my car
under one of the seats, but I've already already purchased
a replacement.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So that's what's the find my device. I like it
when it works, but not all.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
And it works, you know, that's the whole thing about tech.
Do you know any tech that works perfectly every time?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Starlink?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Starlink was out today.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm just saying that's and that's the trade off. I
need something to be relatively reliable.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Well that's about as reliable as we're going to get.
And the new devices they're having as trackers are being
updated and the network is getting better. But I noticed
my husband's an iPhone person, Michael, Well, you know, perfect.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
It gives us something to chat about.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
But anyway, I can tell when he's at the gym
because there are Android people over there. It works as
long as there's Android people off of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's strange or it's a little scary, yeah, Or if
you're near a tower where Android people are pinging, there
(12:30):
might he's showing you. That's a Chipolo card that he
keeps in his wallet, and I can find him. But anyway,
let me give you real quick. Everybody can know. So
Best Buy we'll take it back off his depot.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
That empty, empty place that you go.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
There are very few of them left, but you definitely
can recycle stuff there. And if you don't want to go,
they program in the store and you might get a
store gift card and exchange depending on what you're returning.
They also have boxes that you can pay like eight
dollars or so that hold up to twenty pounds and
(13:10):
send it to them. And they have boxes that you
can buy up to sixty pounds to send them printers
and just get rid of stuff. But I'm not paying
to get rid of my stuff. Consider donating it to Earth.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Nine to one one.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
They take mobile phones, they take all kinds of things.
You'd have to look up what you're getting rid of.
But you know, I think best by now Apple. If
you're buying a new computer, they will graciously take your
old computers.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Oh so you spend four thousand dollars, they'll take the
old one off your hands.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's very nice of them.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Yeah, I think so. I think what a great service.
It's just for the people. It's crazy. But Office Depot
and Staples, you can bring your stuff in there. They
will dispose of it and occasion, city of Los Angeles,
your city where you are. Google it see if they
have an electronic recovery pickup day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Marsha Collier.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Once again, great information, simple enough for folks like me
to understand. And I know there's more where that came from.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Very quickly.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
How can people find you to follow up on this
or just have a conversation with you?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
You can find me on x at Marcia Collier, m
A R S H A CO O, L L I
E R or Marsha Collier dot com. Click the contact
page and bingo, we're in contact.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And you do respond.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Yeah, And sometimes it may take a while. I mean,
there may be something going on, but I do my best.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Keep up.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's Later with Mo Kelly. Always great seeing you, Marsha Collier.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I'll see you again.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 6 (14:54):
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Speaker 3 (15:11):
Author and journalist Von Brashler is a writer on the
subjects of time, human consciousness, and energy healing. His latest book,
Programming Your Lucid Dreams, is a step by step guide
for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful and personally insightful.
It's my pleasure to welcome Von Braschler to later with
(15:32):
Mo Kelly, first time on the show tonight, vroon.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I'm just great. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
No, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And this is part of an ongoing conversation I've been
having with the audience and also George Nori. You may
be familiar with him. And I've had these recurring dreams
that I don't understand, and I was hoping you first
give us some insight into them, and then I'm curious
how I could be a more successful lucid d.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Sure, I'll give it a go. I mean, I've been
working at this for a while, mostly on myself as
a guinea pig, and you know, and I've kind of
been around the block on this thing, and now I
think I kind of got a handle on it. It
can at least discuss it with you, all right, let's
give it a go.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
All right, I had this recurring dream and it's something
I've been experienced i'll say maybe three four times a
year on average, where I am in some sort of
public place, I've had this dream where I was in
the middle of a mall, shopping mall.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I've been in the middle of a movie theater.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I've been on a corner where I am sitting on
the john in process of doing a number two. I'm
being very serious, and then there is this anxiety like, well,
how am I going to get myself out of this
situation without bringing any type of attention to myself?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Have you heard that dream before?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah? Occurring dreams are sometimes frustrating, but they always call
for our attention. May I ask you just a few
questions about the dream before we continue? Now? Is the
dream very vivid?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Oh, it's very vivid.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's so vivid where I'm the actual thoughts are like
I'm recognizing people around me. People are familiar, and I'm
thinking like, okay, where is the toilet paper?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
How far do I have to reach?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's very very specific, very detailed.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, very detailed. And is it? Is it colorful? Is
it in color?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah? Most of my dreams are in color. I don't
dream in black and white.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh, okay, okay, Now are you aware that you're dreaming
and are you conscious of being there?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No? I am.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I am not a very successful lucid dreamer. All of
my dreams that I have tend to be very realistic
in my mind in the moment. In other words, I
don't think during the dreams like wait a minute, this
can't be happening. This does this is ridiculous now, and
it's my mind is wired seemingly that I'm supposed to
work out that situation regardless of how ridiculous it may seem.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
This is the way most of our dreams go, you know,
they're they're like there were hard or hardwired to analyze
and process information. And when we can't resolve situations, it's frustrating.
So while we go to sleep and we say we're
going to rest and just let it, just kind of
(18:35):
let it simmer and we'll deal with everything tomorrow, you know,
sometimes we don't really go to sleep. You know, these
are like sleepless dreams, sleepless nights, and the mind just
keeps churning away and journing and jerning, and it keeps
trying to analyze it. And as my first teacher, who
was actually a very successful psychic outer said, you know
(19:01):
when you're when you're asleep and you're you're trying to
process information is often more difficult than when you're awake
because you're not you're not fully conscious, you know, And
I think I think this is But but the fact
that you keep this recurring dream and and and what
(19:23):
are you trying to resolve in the dream? Can you
answer me that?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I think on some level it has to be a
metaphor for something I can't solve in my life. Now
I can say that, despite what I do publicly, I'm
not a person.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Who likes being embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I can hide it, but it's one of the least
enjoyable emotions. And so there's that has to be connected.
I think somehow my fear of embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Okay, well, what what's the common thread that you see
in every situation where you have this recurring dream? Because
you say you've had it in a different setting.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
The only constant is I'm in the same predicament where
I'm on the toilet and I have to somehow get
from here to there while avoiding the embarrassment of being
noticed for for doing that in public in front of everyone,
Like I don't have any good sense.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if it's really that or
or it's really something else that you're just you're trying
to get rid of something, disposed of something, resolve something,
process it through you, and come out clean fresh.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
At the other end, follow that you're probably right because
I'm not trying to have an actual incident.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Where I'm going to go to the shopping mall.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So so you know,
in in lucid dreaming, we always ask people, you know,
first of all, if they're conscious that they're in the dream,
that's very important. And there that that they have awareness
of being in the dream, uh and and and this
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conscious awareness then will allow them to deal with it.
So one way that I've found of dealing with what
I called troublesome dreams and I and I let me
tell you about mine. Mine is where my ex wife
leaves me over and over and over over. Uh you
(21:28):
go ahead, and and and it's like do I miss there, No,
But she keeps doing it and just keeps hurting me,
and she finds different ways to do it. Usually like
she gets this together and then she dumps me at
the end of the dream and it's like, oh, okay,
I mean this is this is me exposing myself on
the toilet because this is what's inside my head. But
(21:49):
let let's let me share with you how I resolved it.
I set up a lucid dream where I went and
I set up that very dream scenario and and and
and I would have that dream. And I planned and
programmed that dream, and I went in it into it
with the plan of actually being having action, taking action
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and resolving the situation and resolving it and then and
then having an end to it and into it, not
not only not only you know, because some things we
can't understand, but we just want to come out the
other end cleaned. Right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, let me ask you this before we go to break.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, on the very few times and occasions that I've
been able to have a lucid dream, like I'm aware
that I'm dreaming in and I start redirecting the dream,
my mind becomes too active, and then I find myself
waking up because I'm actively participating.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, I could help with that. It's really honest harder
to think. You know, it's not that hard. We can
go through it. You know, there's a few little simple tricks.
You know, Gosh, if I can do it, if anybody
can do it, you know. I was. I was one
of these people that had these these these uh these
sweat dreams, you know, all the time, just having the
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same horrible dreams over and over and over and over
and long before I had the dream that I just described,
I had other dreams. It would like, over and over
and over, I kept having the same over the same
recurring dream and it was just troublesome. It's like ow,
you know, it's I don't know if you ever stepped
on the same wounded be before or or or or
(23:36):
you know, I kept I kept hitting the same toe
against the same rock over and over and over. And
finally I said enough enough, and I and I and
I I just actually went into the dream and cleaned
it up. You know. There's a lot of examples of that,
you know, like people who see animals in the dreams,
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you know, and confront the animal. Well, you can only
confront the animal if you're aware that you're in a
dream and you're having this stream and it's an animal
and you need to actually confront it. Otherwise it's like
an unknown question mark. It's a perplexing situation and you
don't know what it is, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
V like, you're so right, because I feel like I'm
starting over each time, because each time I have the dream,
it doesn't appear as familiar. It's not until I wake
up and I realize it's the same damn dream over
and over again from a different vantage point in a
different location.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But we got to go to break.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
My guest right now is Von Braschler, and he is
author and journalist. His latest book, Programming Your Lucid Dreams,
is available right now, and it's a step by step
guide for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful, and
personally insightful. More with Von Brachelar in just a moment.
It's Later with mo Kelly k if I Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Whenmo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Six fu live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and on
YouTube and all over social media. If be just tuning in.
My guest right now is Von Braschler. We're talking about
my dreams and possibly your dreams as well. His latest
book is Programming Your Lucid Dreams. We're going to pick
our conversation from there. Von let me bring you back
into this, and you have been so kind as far
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as being able to speak to.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
At least my recurring dream. But there are other dreams.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
What would you say about recurring dreams in general? What
on very general level, what do they mean?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Well, after all, the one thing we know about dreams,
they are windows to the soul. On any level, are
dreams or windows to the soul? There are things that
are important to you. They're important, they have to be analyzed,
they have to be understood, have great meaning. And even
if it's just a common nightmare that you cannot resolve,
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it's suggesting that something is psychologically really stressing you and
you need to resolve it. If it's something you could
be a dream of prophecy, it could be a dream
of insight. It could be a flashback to something that
you needed to analyze. It could be one of these lucid, vivid,
(26:31):
detailed dreams. But they're always telling us something, They're always
filled with meaning, and when they recur over and over
and over and over again, they're just demanding your attention.
You absolutely need to start writing them down and thinking
about them. It's extremely important to get a handle on
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it because it's calling for your attention, and it will
not let up until you've dealt with the situation. I mean,
you're right in saying that these dreams should be should be,
should be understood. They shouldn't be just swept away, they
should be they should be uh, they should be interpreted
if you can. But I maintain that the only person
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really qualified to interpret your dream. I don't know if
you're gonna like this is you, because you're because your
dream is so personal. Extremely it's you. It's you talking
to you, it's your inner self talking to you, and
it's saying, look, you know, this is something you know,
you know, and it acts it out for you. It's
like a play, right, It's like little theater, you know.
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And and and it's important to like, uh as it
happens over and over and over again, to see a pattern.
And that's why I think it's good to write it down.
You don't have to analyze it if you don't want,
but just write down and some kind of a journal
or a piece of paper or whatever, notebook, whatever you
want to do, just write down an outline of the dream,
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an outline person you can see like some some basic threads,
you know. And then and it'll hit you. Because the
important thing is that you just quietly reflect on it.
Don't try to, like, you know, really overthink it. Just
quietly reflect on it, be quiet, and get deep inside yourself.
When you do this, you know that's where the answers
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will come. Because this is something that's deep rooted. So
you have to kind of get deep inside yourself. So
I always say, get very quiet, lie down, and just
and just kind of let that dream wash over you.
Just let it wash over you, and then and then
see see if you can see the pattern, you know,
because you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to get
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a handle on this thing. The other thing you can
do is even if you can't, if you have trouble
setting up a lucid dream, we could get into that
if you want. I mean, it's not that hard. It's
really putting yourself to sleep. But but but but if
you just tell yourself, you give yourself a like, if
you want a post hiptotic suggestion, you're telling yourself that
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I attend when I when I when I when I
dream tonight, if I have this recurring dream again, then
I'm going to be aware of it and I'm going
to be and I'm going to observe it, and I'm
going to have I'm going to be extremely aware in
the dream. Now, by awareness, I mean not that you're
just you're you're you're you're somewhat savvy about having the dream,
(29:34):
but you have you have then you have a new
set of skills. You have conscious awareness working for you
because in your dream, you know things are not going
to quite quite look the same, they're not going to
feel the same, they're not going to hear the same.
You hear sounds, but you don't hear sounds. It's kind
of like thought forms. It's really different. It's there really
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a different realm. You know, it's a non physic realm.
So you need to have a new way of dealing
with it. Other than our five physical senses, which do
you no good. You need to develop a sense of awareness,
almost an animal cunning for this. And I always think of,
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like I've dealt with a lot of people and personally
experienced dreams of animals where you know an animal is
chasing you or confronting you, and it's like sometimes frightening,
but sometimes it's like extremely meaning extremely meaningful. If you
have this over and over and over again. It indicates
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to you that an animal is like an animal spirit
is trying to communicate to you. And so it is
with our dreams that are recurring. They're trying to say
something to you, and they'll keep saying it over and
over and over until we simply get quiet enough to
listen and observe it. Observe it enough to to see
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what it is. See with new eyes, the eyes of awareness.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Vaughn, I wish I had more time with you. I
can speak with you all night. So this is what
I need to happen in the future. I need you
to come back on the show so we can continue this.
We got your number now because I have all these
questions from listeners that.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I could even get to.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And I have Mark Ronner, our news guy he has
some dreams, and Stephan our tech guy who has some dreams.
And the only way we can accommodate everyone is to
have you just come back on for a longer conversation.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, and we could set up a really powerful dream
approach that will really be helpful to people.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I think I look forward to it. He is von Braschlar.
He is the author of Programming Your Lucid dreams and
Von very quickly. How can people find you on social media?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Go to Von braschlarwebsite dot com. It's pretty easy. Von
Braschlar website dot com.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's B R A S C H L E R
dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Christ yea sir, yep, yep, b O N yep.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
We're gonna do this again.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Great, thank you, have a great evening, you two, sir.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
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Check Thursday with the Marsha Collier who joins me now
in studio.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good evening, Marshall. Always great to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hi, Mo.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
How are you doing?
Speaker 6 (00:22):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Did you do that intentionally? Are you dressing to match
your screen? Insert? Bring that back, Dan and so people
can see it. It can't be see that's that's not
a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You plan that.
Speaker 7 (00:34):
Well, No, I'm running out of solid clothing because I'll
come in here with like patterns and you know Matisse's
paintings on clothes, because but you're when you're on camera,
you're supposed to have solid colors.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
So I have all these colors.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It looks nice on you, But we didn't bring you
in to talk about your fashion, although it suits you.
Amazon is back into the listening game once again. Beyond Alexi,
What are they doing now? What dastardly deed are they
up to?
Speaker 7 (01:03):
I mean, have you ever had a day where at
the end of the day you just sit down, says Gosh.
I just wish I could remember what Tuala said to me,
we were talking about something really interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Huh that happens to be about maybe two three times
a week.
Speaker 7 (01:17):
Okay, so that happens. I mean when we came up here,
Tuala and my husband were talking about their new Balanced sneakers.
They were talking about shoes. What I wouldn't have given
to have a recording device with.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They're both new Balance, that's what they do.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
So it's their shoes.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
So this device, it's like a band, you know, like
I have a fitness band, but it's not a fitness band.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
It records everything.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
It'll be bring truly authentic augentic AI.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
To more customers if I understand you correctly.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
There's gonna be a band on my wrist, beyond my phone,
beyond my Alexa, which is listening to everything that I say,
the conversations I have, any musings I may have with
your husband, and then what happens with that information.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
Well, at the end of the day, you'll get reminders
and suggestions and personalized summaries of your day. I mean, ooh,
this is just beyond the company that sold it to Amazon.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
They said.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
When we started, the company was named b We imagined
a world where AI is truly personal, where your life
is understood and enhanced by technology that learns with you.
So you see, now you'll have something on your wrist
that listens to everything you have to say.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And all the things, even when I'm cussing in my
car and people driving by me.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
And it'll get smarter and it'll get to know you
and be able to make suggestions during your day.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I want suggestions unless I ask for a suggestion, like
in other words, where's the nearest flame broiler?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't want a suggestion out of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
There's no asking this.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Alexa does that because I'll say I don't want to
say because that'll trigger someone's Alexa. But if you say Alexa,
do X y Z every four or five commands, it'll
give a suggestion.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm trying to say, like, shut the hell.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Up right exactly exactly, so this you get. No, you
don't get to interact with it. It is merely there
as augentic, which means it has its own agency. It
will just record and work for you and learn from
you so it can give you better advice on things.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah. See, I don't know if I want a re
hash of my day.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Maybe there was something that I really didn't appreciate happening,
and I don't want to have to relive and I
don't need to memorialize in some way.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Well maybe after a month or so, you know, you'll
turn to this device and it'll say, hey, mo, today,
kind of remind me of the day three weeks ago
when you got that d and it'll draw a little
analogy for you and be able to help you learn
how to cope with things.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. I love technology, but I'm not loving this.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Well, this is a deal.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
The startup launch this fitbit like device last year. It's
forty nine ninety nine for the bracelet. That's it, no biggie,
but it's nineteen dollars a month for the monthly subscription. Now,
if you wonder where you're doing, wait.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Wait, wait, do not run past that. There's a monthly
subscription too.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Oh yeah, Well, you know it's got to hold all
that data, and where do you think it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's going to be sold to someone.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Well, they're saying our goal is to make be smarter
without ever requiring access to your personal data.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't know sure that makes me feel better.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
The company's website states, adding the that none of the
data is sold or used for AI learning.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But let me be super cynical real quick before we
go to break.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Sometimes I know that sometimes companies will buy smaller companies
because they just don't want that technology out there. They
want it to at least be proprietary to in this
case Amazon. But I do get the sense they want
this smaller company to be successful because of the data
collection alone.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Or how about they want to take the technology bury
this device and put it into Alexa, which is in
how many televisions right now?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Billions?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, you gotta think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We're gonna think about that during the break when we
come back. I know that I have a bunch of
old compututers and maybe some cell phones and tablets, just
old tech that I probably want to recycle, but I
don't know the right way to go about it. They're
just literally stacked up in the corner in my office.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
The amount of technology we all have sitting around stacked
up under the under a bench in the garage.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, you got thoughts and tips for that.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I got answers, Marcia.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Collier when we come back, answers on what to do
with your old technology. It's Later with mo Kelly. Tech
Thursday with Marshall Callier. We're live everywhere on social media
and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I Am six forty. It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
We're still live everywhere on social media and still joining
me in studio. Is the nice tech lady as they're
calling you in the Motown Chat Marsha Collier, our resident
tech guru.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
How about that, Marsha.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A common question that I have not only for myself,
but I hear from others. It's like, look, I have
four different phones, becau because I don't throw them away,
don't want to give them away because it has data
or might have pictures. I may use it as a
spare drive on occasion. I have an old printer, have
a computer, laptop, it's it's dead, but it still has
data on it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
What should I do with them?
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Well, frankly, I'm with you on phones. I'm not giving
away my phones. I think we should have a Thursday
Night we all bring in all our old phones and
compare you know what we have, because old phones are
cool when you go back and look at them. They're
just spectacular, but.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They're useful in my house.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Some of them I use as cameras or a drive
It's like a drive camera is like a security camera.
There are ways that I can utilize them that I
don't need to really, they don't need to have the
latest software for everything.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But those old big computers, Yes, what do I do
with it? And the printers, Oh my goodness. I mean,
if you go way back, they were sturdily built. You
couldn't take a sledgehammer and break the plastic. Yeah, everybody,
and you know it's you somewhere in your house.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You've got this stack of old tech.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Now.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
I know the city of la has a lot of
electronic waste pickup, which is all well and good, but
you know, you get a postcard in the mail You're
going to have electronic waste pick up six months in
the future, aren't we great? And you forget by the
time it happens. We went to one once and it
was a little drive through. You hand the stuff out
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the window of the guy, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
You know it was a.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Great, great city thing. But let me tell you how
to do it for free. Okay, have you been into
a best buy lately.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, I have it not in at least six months.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Well, they will take up to three household items, including toasters,
because technically you can't throw those in the trash per
house can't. I'm kidding, I'm so naive. No, off, you
can't put those in the trash and e readers, everything,
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everything technology, three per household per day. But if you've
got laptops, they will take up to five.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
That's fine that they'll take it, But what should I
do in advance of giving it to them?
Speaker 7 (09:25):
Okay, what I do when I get rid of things
like this, first thing I do is delete all the data,
just the manual delete. I go to the directories and
the folders and the whole thing, and I manually delete everything.
Then I I know, you're supposed to go to the
original state right away, but then I sign out. I
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delete all the programs that I've installed on said device,
and then I take I sign out of Google.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You'll do all of that instead of why not just just.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Wipe the drive or reset and start over.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
I've kind of wiped it because after I've signed out
a Google, I go to factory reset and we're done. Okay,
so you but all those steps I don't. I don't
want to take a risk. And what I did do is,
you know, Google, just like Apple, has this service where
you find your device. Now, I did give a device
(10:25):
to somebody when I was working on my last book
and they were helping me, and.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I felt very nervous about it.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
So I did all that stuff and I sent it
to him, and then I'm looking for because it's still
on Where's my device?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
For some reason?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Right?
Speaker 7 (10:41):
That made me very nervous where is it? And then
Google couldn't find it on the network.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Let me just say this, I've had find my device
for some time. It's not super reliable because there are
times where I've lost my phone, like around the house
type of thing. And that's the time I'm saying, let
me just see.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
What will do?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Do you play the music?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And sometimes that's part of it is in a lot
of times it doesn't happen. One time, I actually bought
a second phone because I thought my phone was stolen
because I was doing to find my device and it
wasn't ringing my phone like I was supposed to. I
later found the phone four weeks later in my car
under one of the seats, but I've already already purchased
a replacement.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So that's what's the find my device. I like it
when it works, but not all.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
And it works, you know, that's the whole thing about tech.
Do you know any tech that works perfectly every time?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Starlink?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Starlink was out today.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm just saying that's and that's the trade off. I
need something to be relatively reliable.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Well that's about as reliable as we're going to get.
And the new devices they're having as trackers are being
updated and the network is getting better. But I noticed
my husband's an iPhone person, Michael, Well, you know, perfect.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
It gives us something to chat about.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
But anyway, I can tell when he's at the gym
because there are Android people over there. It works as
long as there's Android people off of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's strange or it's a little scary, yeah, Or if
you're near a tower where Android people are pinging, there
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might he's showing you. That's a Chipolo card that he
keeps in his wallet, and I can find him. But anyway,
let me give you real quick. Everybody can know. So
Best Buy we'll take it back off his depot.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
That empty, empty place that you go.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
There are very few of them left, but you definitely
can recycle stuff there. And if you don't want to go,
they program in the store and you might get a
store gift card and exchange depending on what you're returning.
They also have boxes that you can pay like eight
dollars or so that hold up to twenty pounds and
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send it to them. And they have boxes that you
can buy up to sixty pounds to send them printers
and just get rid of stuff. But I'm not paying
to get rid of my stuff. Consider donating it to Earth.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Nine to one one.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
They take mobile phones, they take all kinds of things.
You'd have to look up what you're getting rid of.
But you know, I think best by now Apple. If
you're buying a new computer, they will graciously take your
old computers.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Oh so you spend four thousand dollars, they'll take the
old one off your hands.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's very nice of them.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Yeah, I think so. I think what a great service.
It's just for the people. It's crazy. But Office Depot
and Staples, you can bring your stuff in there. They
will dispose of it and occasion, city of Los Angeles,
your city where you are. Google it see if they
have an electronic recovery pickup day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Marsha Collier.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Once again, great information, simple enough for folks like me
to understand. And I know there's more where that came from.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Very quickly.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
How can people find you to follow up on this
or just have a conversation with you?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
You can find me on x at Marcia Collier, m
A R S H A CO O, L L I
E R or Marsha Collier dot com. Click the contact
page and bingo, we're in contact.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And you do respond.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Yeah, And sometimes it may take a while. I mean,
there may be something going on, but I do my best.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Keep up.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's Later with Mo Kelly. Always great seeing you, Marsha Collier.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I'll see you again.
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Speaker 3 (15:11):
Author and journalist Von Brashler is a writer on the
subjects of time, human consciousness, and energy healing. His latest book,
Programming Your Lucid Dreams, is a step by step guide
for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful and personally insightful.
It's my pleasure to welcome Von Braschler to later with
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Mo Kelly, first time on the show tonight, vroon.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I'm just great. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
No, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And this is part of an ongoing conversation I've been
having with the audience and also George Nori. You may
be familiar with him. And I've had these recurring dreams
that I don't understand, and I was hoping you first
give us some insight into them, and then I'm curious
how I could be a more successful lucid d.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Sure, I'll give it a go. I mean, I've been
working at this for a while, mostly on myself as
a guinea pig, and you know, and I've kind of
been around the block on this thing, and now I
think I kind of got a handle on it. It
can at least discuss it with you, all right, let's
give it a go.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
All right, I had this recurring dream and it's something
I've been experienced i'll say maybe three four times a
year on average, where I am in some sort of
public place, I've had this dream where I was in
the middle of a mall, shopping mall.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I've been in the middle of a movie theater.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I've been on a corner where I am sitting on
the john in process of doing a number two. I'm
being very serious, and then there is this anxiety like, well,
how am I going to get myself out of this
situation without bringing any type of attention to myself?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Have you heard that dream before?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah? Occurring dreams are sometimes frustrating, but they always call
for our attention. May I ask you just a few
questions about the dream before we continue? Now? Is the
dream very vivid?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Oh, it's very vivid.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's so vivid where I'm the actual thoughts are like
I'm recognizing people around me. People are familiar, and I'm
thinking like, okay, where is the toilet paper?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
How far do I have to reach?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's very very specific, very detailed.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, very detailed. And is it? Is it colorful? Is
it in color?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah? Most of my dreams are in color. I don't
dream in black and white.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh, okay, okay, Now are you aware that you're dreaming
and are you conscious of being there?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No? I am.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I am not a very successful lucid dreamer. All of
my dreams that I have tend to be very realistic
in my mind in the moment. In other words, I
don't think during the dreams like wait a minute, this
can't be happening. This does this is ridiculous now, and
it's my mind is wired seemingly that I'm supposed to
work out that situation regardless of how ridiculous it may seem.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
This is the way most of our dreams go, you know,
they're they're like there were hard or hardwired to analyze
and process information. And when we can't resolve situations, it's frustrating.
So while we go to sleep and we say we're
going to rest and just let it, just kind of
(18:35):
let it simmer and we'll deal with everything tomorrow, you know,
sometimes we don't really go to sleep. You know, these
are like sleepless dreams, sleepless nights, and the mind just
keeps churning away and journing and jerning, and it keeps
trying to analyze it. And as my first teacher, who
was actually a very successful psychic outer said, you know
(19:01):
when you're when you're asleep and you're you're trying to
process information is often more difficult than when you're awake
because you're not you're not fully conscious, you know, And
I think I think this is But but the fact
that you keep this recurring dream and and and what
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are you trying to resolve in the dream? Can you
answer me that?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I think on some level it has to be a
metaphor for something I can't solve in my life. Now
I can say that, despite what I do publicly, I'm
not a person.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Who likes being embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I can hide it, but it's one of the least
enjoyable emotions. And so there's that has to be connected.
I think somehow my fear of embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Okay, well, what what's the common thread that you see
in every situation where you have this recurring dream? Because
you say you've had it in a different setting.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
The only constant is I'm in the same predicament where
I'm on the toilet and I have to somehow get
from here to there while avoiding the embarrassment of being
noticed for for doing that in public in front of everyone,
Like I don't have any good sense.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if it's really that or
or it's really something else that you're just you're trying
to get rid of something, disposed of something, resolve something,
process it through you, and come out clean fresh.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
At the other end, follow that you're probably right because
I'm not trying to have an actual incident.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Where I'm going to go to the shopping mall.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So so you know,
in in lucid dreaming, we always ask people, you know,
first of all, if they're conscious that they're in the dream,
that's very important. And there that that they have awareness
of being in the dream, uh and and and this
(21:05):
conscious awareness then will allow them to deal with it.
So one way that I've found of dealing with what
I called troublesome dreams and I and I let me
tell you about mine. Mine is where my ex wife
leaves me over and over and over over. Uh you
(21:28):
go ahead, and and and it's like do I miss there, No,
But she keeps doing it and just keeps hurting me,
and she finds different ways to do it. Usually like
she gets this together and then she dumps me at
the end of the dream and it's like, oh, okay,
I mean this is this is me exposing myself on
the toilet because this is what's inside my head. But
(21:49):
let let's let me share with you how I resolved it.
I set up a lucid dream where I went and
I set up that very dream scenario and and and
and I would have that dream. And I planned and
programmed that dream, and I went in it into it
with the plan of actually being having action, taking action
(22:14):
and resolving the situation and resolving it and then and
then having an end to it and into it, not
not only not only you know, because some things we
can't understand, but we just want to come out the
other end cleaned. Right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, let me ask you this before we go to break.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, on the very few times and occasions that I've
been able to have a lucid dream, like I'm aware
that I'm dreaming in and I start redirecting the dream,
my mind becomes too active, and then I find myself
waking up because I'm actively participating.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, I could help with that. It's really honest harder
to think. You know, it's not that hard. We can
go through it. You know, there's a few little simple tricks.
You know, Gosh, if I can do it, if anybody
can do it, you know. I was. I was one
of these people that had these these these uh these
sweat dreams, you know, all the time, just having the
(23:12):
same horrible dreams over and over and over and over
and long before I had the dream that I just described,
I had other dreams. It would like, over and over
and over, I kept having the same over the same
recurring dream and it was just troublesome. It's like ow,
you know, it's I don't know if you ever stepped
on the same wounded be before or or or or
(23:36):
you know, I kept I kept hitting the same toe
against the same rock over and over and over. And
finally I said enough enough, and I and I and
I I just actually went into the dream and cleaned
it up. You know. There's a lot of examples of that,
you know, like people who see animals in the dreams,
(23:57):
you know, and confront the animal. Well, you can only
confront the animal if you're aware that you're in a
dream and you're having this stream and it's an animal
and you need to actually confront it. Otherwise it's like
an unknown question mark. It's a perplexing situation and you
don't know what it is, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
V like, you're so right, because I feel like I'm
starting over each time, because each time I have the dream,
it doesn't appear as familiar. It's not until I wake
up and I realize it's the same damn dream over
and over again from a different vantage point in a
different location.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But we got to go to break.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
My guest right now is Von Braschler, and he is
author and journalist. His latest book, Programming Your Lucid Dreams,
is available right now, and it's a step by step
guide for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful, and
personally insightful. More with Von Brachelar in just a moment.
It's Later with mo Kelly k if I Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Whenmo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Six fu live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and on
YouTube and all over social media. If be just tuning in.
My guest right now is Von Braschler. We're talking about
my dreams and possibly your dreams as well. His latest
book is Programming Your Lucid Dreams. We're going to pick
our conversation from there. Von let me bring you back
into this, and you have been so kind as far
(25:30):
as being able to speak to.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
At least my recurring dream. But there are other dreams.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
What would you say about recurring dreams in general? What
on very general level, what do they mean?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Well, after all, the one thing we know about dreams,
they are windows to the soul. On any level, are
dreams or windows to the soul? There are things that
are important to you. They're important, they have to be analyzed,
they have to be understood, have great meaning. And even
if it's just a common nightmare that you cannot resolve,
(26:09):
it's suggesting that something is psychologically really stressing you and
you need to resolve it. If it's something you could
be a dream of prophecy, it could be a dream
of insight. It could be a flashback to something that
you needed to analyze. It could be one of these lucid, vivid,
(26:31):
detailed dreams. But they're always telling us something, They're always
filled with meaning, and when they recur over and over
and over and over again, they're just demanding your attention.
You absolutely need to start writing them down and thinking
about them. It's extremely important to get a handle on
(26:53):
it because it's calling for your attention, and it will
not let up until you've dealt with the situation. I mean,
you're right in saying that these dreams should be should be,
should be understood. They shouldn't be just swept away, they
should be they should be uh, they should be interpreted
if you can. But I maintain that the only person
(27:17):
really qualified to interpret your dream. I don't know if
you're gonna like this is you, because you're because your
dream is so personal. Extremely it's you. It's you talking
to you, it's your inner self talking to you, and
it's saying, look, you know, this is something you know,
you know, and it acts it out for you. It's
like a play, right, It's like little theater, you know.
(27:40):
And and and it's important to like, uh as it
happens over and over and over again, to see a pattern.
And that's why I think it's good to write it down.
You don't have to analyze it if you don't want,
but just write down and some kind of a journal
or a piece of paper or whatever, notebook, whatever you
want to do, just write down an outline of the dream,
(28:03):
an outline person you can see like some some basic threads,
you know. And then and it'll hit you. Because the
important thing is that you just quietly reflect on it.
Don't try to, like, you know, really overthink it. Just
quietly reflect on it, be quiet, and get deep inside yourself.
When you do this, you know that's where the answers
(28:26):
will come. Because this is something that's deep rooted. So
you have to kind of get deep inside yourself. So
I always say, get very quiet, lie down, and just
and just kind of let that dream wash over you.
Just let it wash over you, and then and then
see see if you can see the pattern, you know,
because you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to get
(28:48):
a handle on this thing. The other thing you can
do is even if you can't, if you have trouble
setting up a lucid dream, we could get into that
if you want. I mean, it's not that hard. It's
really putting yourself to sleep. But but but but if
you just tell yourself, you give yourself a like, if
you want a post hiptotic suggestion, you're telling yourself that
(29:10):
I attend when I when I when I when I
dream tonight, if I have this recurring dream again, then
I'm going to be aware of it and I'm going
to be and I'm going to observe it, and I'm
going to have I'm going to be extremely aware in
the dream. Now, by awareness, I mean not that you're
just you're you're you're you're somewhat savvy about having the dream,
(29:34):
but you have you have then you have a new
set of skills. You have conscious awareness working for you
because in your dream, you know things are not going
to quite quite look the same, they're not going to
feel the same, they're not going to hear the same.
You hear sounds, but you don't hear sounds. It's kind
of like thought forms. It's really different. It's there really
(29:56):
a different realm. You know, it's a non physic realm.
So you need to have a new way of dealing
with it. Other than our five physical senses, which do
you no good. You need to develop a sense of awareness,
almost an animal cunning for this. And I always think of,
(30:16):
like I've dealt with a lot of people and personally
experienced dreams of animals where you know an animal is
chasing you or confronting you, and it's like sometimes frightening,
but sometimes it's like extremely meaning extremely meaningful. If you
have this over and over and over again. It indicates
(30:38):
to you that an animal is like an animal spirit
is trying to communicate to you. And so it is
with our dreams that are recurring. They're trying to say
something to you, and they'll keep saying it over and
over and over until we simply get quiet enough to
listen and observe it. Observe it enough to to see
(31:01):
what it is. See with new eyes, the eyes of awareness.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Vaughn, I wish I had more time with you. I
can speak with you all night. So this is what
I need to happen in the future. I need you
to come back on the show so we can continue this.
We got your number now because I have all these
questions from listeners that.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I could even get to.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And I have Mark Ronner, our news guy he has
some dreams, and Stephan our tech guy who has some dreams.
And the only way we can accommodate everyone is to
have you just come back on for a longer conversation.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, and we could set up a really powerful dream
approach that will really be helpful to people.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I think I look forward to it. He is von Braschlar.
He is the author of Programming Your Lucid dreams and
Von very quickly. How can people find you on social media?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Go to Von braschlarwebsite dot com. It's pretty easy. Von
Braschlar website dot com.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's B R A S C H L E R
dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Christ yea sir, yep, yep, b O N yep.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
We're gonna do this again.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Great, thank you, have a great evening, you two, sir.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
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