September 11, 2025 • 31 mins
ICYMI: Hour One of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – In-depth analysis of the assassination of conservative influencer/political activist Charlie Kirk who was shot and killed at an event he was hosting at Utah Valley University…PLUS – Remembrance of actress Polly Holliday, who portrayed beloved character ‘Flo’ on the hit TV series Alice, dead at 88 - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
KFI mo Kelly. It's a later with mo Kelly. We
all know what the top news story of the day is.
And I've been in and out of interviews, television and
radio trying to make some sense of the murder of
Charlie Kirk, which happened earlier today, and what might have
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been the motivation of the shooter. We'll get into that,
or actually not get into that, but that's a point
I'll make.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And what is happening in America?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And I know, I know you might be one of
the individuals who could not wait to run a social
media to say this and that about what you feel
about what happened, or who needs to pay or who
is to blame. I want you to slow down. I
just want you to listen to this. And this is
in chronological order. I didn't cherry pick these, but these
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are some of the major stories of just the past
five years, and I want you to look at it
through the larger continuum of violence political violence in America.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This is just chronological order.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
October twenty, twenty thirteen men were arrested in a domestic
plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the
state government. Long story short, About half of them were convicted.
October twenty twenty, a Maryland man was charged with threatening
to kidnap and kill then presidential candidate Joe Biden and
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VP running mat Kamala Harris. September twenty twenty one, a
Miami nurse pleaded guilty to threatening to kill then VP Harris.
October twenty twenty two, Paul Pelosi, husband of then Speaker
of the House Nancy Pelosi, was blegeened with a hammer
by an intruder searching for the Speaker of the House
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Nancy Pelosi. July twenty twenty four, then candidate and former
president Donald Trump was shot in an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania.
August twenty twenty four, a Memphis area man was charged
with making threats against then President Biden, vice President Harris,
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and former President Obama. August twenty twenty four, a Virginia
man was arrested for allegedly making death threats against then
Vice President Harris. September twenty twenty four, a Florida man
was arrested in what the government was alleged was an
attempt on then candidate Donald Trump's.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Life in Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
As a matter of fact, his trial began at the
beginning of this week. April twenty twenty five, a California
man pleaded guilty in an assassination plot against Scotis Justice
Brett Kavanaugh. April twenty twenty five, suspected arsonists tried to
assassinate Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro by firebombing the governor's official residence.
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June twenty twenty five, Minnesota State House Speaker Ofmerita Melissa
Hortman and her husband Mark were murdered in their own
home in a multilocation assassination plot. August twenty twenty five,
a New York man pleaded guilty after threatening to kill
then President Joe Biden. August twenty twenty five, a Pennsylvania
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man pleaded guilty of making social media threats on TikTok
pledging to kill President Trump. August twenty twenty five, an
Indiana woman was arrested in Washington, d c. And charged
in connection with threatening to kill President Trump. That's just
the past five years. That's just what I call some
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of the bigger stories which were covered, which were made
mention of which were listed on the DOJ's website. You
may not have noticed it, you may not remember all
of them, but all of them happened in the past
five years. What happened today is part of a larger
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continuum of violence which is ever present in this country.
Political violence is not different than mass shooting violence.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It is all connected.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What I mean by that is this is a violent
country and has been for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And the way we deal with things.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
We don't like people, we don't like, politics, we don't
like we choose violence. That's not to blame a party,
that's not to blame a group of people, and that's
definitely not a cop out. I'm saying it is endemic,
and it's an epidemic here in America. And I did
not even talk about some of these other events. I
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didn't include the Capital Jewish Museum attack. I didn't include
the pipe bomb placed outside the DNC in twenty twenty one.
I didn't include the Arizona Harris campaign office, which was
shot up three times. There are all sorts of examples
that I can give on both sides of the political
aisle speaking to our obsession with political violence.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It did not begin today with the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But it is a part of a larger continuum of
political violence here in this country. And I know it's
always convenient, it's always easier to get on social media
and blame this person, that group, that ideology. The moment
someone you happen to politically agree with is either harmed
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or threatened or at worst, like today, murdered, I know
that's the easy way. The more difficult conversation is to
have is what has been happening in this country for the.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Past five just five years. We won't even talk about
the past ten, fifteen years, just five years.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And I find it rather odd that we want to
deny this violence and then act surprise when there's more violence.
I find it ironic that we had a large discussion
about whether former Vice President Harris should have more security
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from the federal government, and there was a question of
whether LAPD and the CHP we're going to provide some
sort of security. And I saw a lot of responses saying, well,
no one cares about Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No one's going to try to kill her.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And I'm here to tell you that every president, every
vice president gets death threats all the time. Well, into
their later portion of life. It has nothing to do
with being in office or out of office. Joe Biden
still gets them, Kamala Harris still gets them. Donald Trump
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will get them the rest of his life, and so
will Jade Vance. Because this is a violent country. It
is horrible what happened to Charlie Kirk. Let me be
absolutely clear. This is not about anyone's politics, and I
don't want to speculate on the motive of the shooter,
who I understand and Mark Roner will correct me if
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I'm wrong, is not in custody as of yet, and
the search is still underway. Now we can easily just
speculate that it had to do with politics, but I've
been in this business long enough to know it's okay
to slow down and not be first or jump to conclusions.
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Wait till we find out who this person is, wait
till we find out specifically their motivations, and we'll take
it from there. But we have an epidemic of violence
in this country, and it also includes political violence. It
also includes mass shootings. And it's not lost on me
that we had a school mass shooting and a political
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murder the same damn day.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Within an hour of each other.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And if I heard Mark Ronnock correctly, it happened at
the same school in which Columbine happened in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And I was almost late to work because there was
a shooting in my neighborhood just this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Welcome to America.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (08:47):
Six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
KFI Later with Mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on iHeartRadio
app and also YouTube. And I have more thoughts on
on the murder of Charlie Kirk today. And I was probably,
like you mine in my own business, doing my own thing,
maybe bumping around the internet looking for different news and stories,
and all of a sudden got the news notification to
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pop up alert that Charlie Kirk had been shot. And
I'm not making this story about me, but I will
tell you what goes through my mind on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I am not on the level of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
But I work in a space, in a political space
where I know all too well that people will respond
to you or allege they heard all sorts of things
and then respond accordingly, whether you said them or not.
And people at this time in this country take everything personally.
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And although I can point to certain things that Charlie
Kirk may have said that were patently offensive or I
may have disagreed with, or he may have gone about
it in a way that I never would have, I
would always fight for his right to say it and
the First Amendment in this country. As someone who works
in media, I don't make any distinction. He does what
he did what he did, and I do what I do.
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But I'm always very cognizant of the violence which is
only steps away in this country surrounding our political discourse.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I know Twala has talked about it, how.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
We have been threatened here at KFI for having any
sort of opinion which may have been in disagreement with
this particular caller or that particular emailer.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've had people threaten to come up.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Here and want to fight us, and I've had people
send letters, disparaging letters to my then parents' home and
my house and trying to find out who my wife is.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So all of this is.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Very real and very very personal in a certain way
where when you have someone like Charlie Kirk who is murdered,
one can't help but think, working in this business, how
it could also happen to me or someone else who
is outspoken. And I tend to think of myself as
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outspoken on any number of issues. Again, my delivery very
different from Charlie Kirk, but still the hate is the
same in many instances, and I would not wish violence
on anyone, regardless of their political beliefs or expressions. But
we live in a violent America, no doubt. The only problem,
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as I see it, is we're selective in our amnesia
about violence, where it originates, how long it's been here,
and when it's acceptable. There are people today who were
okay with Charlie Kirk being murdered.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That bothers the hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But I also remember people who were making all sorts
of jokes in media and all social media about Paul
Pelosi taking a hammer to the Dome. I remember all this.
I'm not excusing either. I'm saying both were happening, and
this is not a both sides thing, this is an
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everybody thing. We didn't get here overnight, and we didn't
get here just because a small portion of our country
is okay with political violence.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's why I took the steps.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Of just listing about ten to fifteen incidents in the
past five years, both sides of the aisle, both sides
of the ideological spectrum, where political violence was a viable option.
Sometimes it was thwarted in advance before it got to
the operational phase, as they call it, and sometimes they
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were able to even take a shot at a presidentidential
candidate Heaven forbid. But this is where we are, and
here is the real takeaway. We're not leaving here anytime soon.
We didn't get here overnight. And we're very comfortable in
this place of political violence. I said it, and I
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meant it. We're very comfortable. Why because we're not doing
anything to lessen the likelihood of it happening again. And
I remember I said it for the last mass shooting.
It's like I don't have anything new to say because
we have no desire to change, And since we have
no desire to change, we're not going to do anything
except throughout the obligatory thoughts and prayers. Nothing will change.
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And I say this as a Christian. I believe there
is a place for thoughts and prayers. But as I
said before, faith without works is dead. And if all
we're going to do is say thoughts and prayers and
point the finger at the political persuasion that we don't
like today. Then you know what, someone else is going
to die tomorrow for the same damn reason.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I'm fortunately it is inescapable.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It is unavoidable because we are way too comfortable in
our easy chair or bark lounger with this political violence.
So long as it only impacts the people we don't like,
So long as it impacts the people who don't vote
as we do, there's going.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To be more political violence. How do I know?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Because I told you there was going to be more
mass shootings, and lo and behold, we've had two or
three since the last time we talked about it, and
nothing's changed with mass shootings. So nothing's going to change
with political violence. It is one thing to say we
need to dial back the rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
That is easy to say.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's another thing to be committed to it, to be
willing to stand by that for months and months at
a time, even though it is easier to say the
things which will put it this way. I never get
on this show with the express intent of going viral.
If you know me, I don't say things to to
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be controversial.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I don't say things to get ratings. I don't say.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Things for clicks. I try to be as honest, as
straightforward as possible and sincere. You're authentic in what I
tell you. If I if I say it here, I
hope you know that I believe what I say, and
you may disagree with me, but it's coming from a
sincere place.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But there are a lot of people don't think as
I do.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And there are a lot of commentators who will say
stuff knowing good and well that they'll go viral, that
they'll get clicks, that they will own to the Libs
or piss off the Republicans. And that's how a lot
of our media works today, unfortunately, and because of that,
it just keeps ratcheting up and ratcheting up, and then
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you have people who will show up on January sixth
and want to murder the vice president or they'll take
a shot at Donald Trump. And this is going to
continue because we collectively as a society have no desire
to change. It's almost like you're complaining about your weight,
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you're complaining about all the meds that you're on, but
you're not willing to change your diet. You're not willing
to change your food portions. You're not willing to stop
the drinking, to stop smoking. You're not willing to do
anything differently. You just want a different result. Well, that's
not going to happen. There's going to be more mass shootings.
There's going to be more political violence. Why because we're
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mo Kelly.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
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Speaker 1 (16:50):
Can if I letter with Mo Kelly, Mister mo Kelly here,
we're live every morning. I heart radio, app and YouTube.
And I've been doing this for so long sometimes you
forget some things you've done.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'd forgotten when I had run into Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It was twenty eighteen at politicn In fact, it was
like I was in the same room with Charlie Kirk
and that's when I had interviewed Tucker Carlson, because we're
all in the same anti room. And when you're in
this business long enough, especially when it comes to political commentary,
you will come across just about everyone. You're at the
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same events, you're on the same networks. You may be
debating on opposite sides of an issue on CNN or
MSNBC or Fox News or one of the local channels.
So you come across people all the time, and Charlie
Kirk was someone I did come across in twenty eighteen
in Politicon, I was a moderator for like two panels.
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He wasn't on my panel, but he was there for
the two panels in which I was moderating, and we
had some interaction later on, because back in twenty eighteen
he wasn't the Charlie Kirk that we know today.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
He was still up and coming.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
He was thirty one, only thirty one, so back then
he was early to mid twenties. So he was on
the rise at that point, and you could tell that
he was a conservative wonder kin for the party, and
he was embraced accordingly. But part of his stick, my word,
his stick was being vocal, abrasive and engaging people in debates.
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And to his credit, I will say this, he was
willing to debate anyone in everyone. It wasn't my style,
but I understood what he was trying to do, and
he was pushing the ball forward as far as having conversations.
The argument of persuasion, which we don't often do anymore. Again,
wasn't my style, but I could appreciate at least that
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he was willing to enter into debate with people. I'm
not a big debate guy. I'm more facts, figures and history.
But I had forgotten that we had cross paths over
the years some time ago. But I only mentioned to say,
when you work in this business as a commentator on
a small or larger level, I wouldn't say it's a
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fraternity or brotherhood, but there is a level of mutual
understanding as far as the types of threats that we
may endure. I used to read some of my emails
on the air of some of the ridiculous things that
I would receive, think the worst thing, the worst insult
that someone might say to me. I've had ten times worse,
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ten times as many times as you may think of it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And that's just me.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I can't speak for Tuala, I can't speak for anyone else,
but I can say, in just my little piece of
this sandbox, I know what I receive.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I know what threats I've had lobbed at me.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I can't imagine someone on Kirk's level what he had
he had his private security, but he was still going
from campus to campus and largely available to the masses.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
He didn't run away, he was largely available.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But there is a real danger in what we do
because it only takes one idiot, not ten, not twenty,
just one person who takes exceptional offense to something that
you say and feels that the only way that can
shut you up is to shoot you. That's something that
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has always been an active concern for me, especially in
these highly partisan times.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think about that.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm very judicious as far as how often I talk
politics on this show and how I go about it
when I do. When we talk about these very very
sensitive subjects, I'm clear that I have to be very
careful in my word choice because there are oftentimes and
I know this is the only time I'm going to
bring you in, Mark, where I use you as an example.
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People think they may hear something and they react to
what they think they may hear, or they feel that
you're talking to them directly.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Or personally, and then they respond to that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's a running joke we have on the show where
people get mad at me for stuff I never said.
And I know that you Mark, in your many years
of working in media have probably experienced something similar.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Anytime you have any kind of a public job, it's
just open season on you, and especially now with the
anonymity of the Internet, it's ten times worse.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That's a great.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Point, the anonymity of the Internet. Well, there are two
things to that. There's the anonymity and also the access.
Twenty years ago, at best, you get an email address
to the person who did a column in a newspaper.
You didn't even have the opportunity to leave a comment
for the most part, on the Washington Post or any
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one of these news sites.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And then with the explosion.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Of comment sections and social media and people making themselves
available on social media via Twitter or any other social
media platform, you had a direct line to that person,
and you also had more of a knowledge of where
they would be, their schedule, their speaking engagements. I remember
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a time, especially in radio, people didn't even know what
you look like because there was no Internet, and they
formed this idea in their mind of what you look like,
and you, as a radio professional, still retained some degree
of anonymity. Now it's like, who's this mo kelly mother, father?
Let me look him up and see what he looks like,
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and just being very honest. I have always been very
aware of every night that I leave this studio and
as I walk out those double glass doors at some
ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, making sure that there's
not someone waiting on me who's angry about something I
said that night, last night, twelve nights ago.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Sure, and everybody in the radio profession has had the
example of Alan Berg drilled into them. He was yes, yes,
thank you for that. He was shot back in nineteen
eighty four a talk radio host and the edition of
newspaper comments sections in particular. I'm not sure who the
genius was who came up with that, but it was
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a terrible, terrible idea because all it really led to
was trolling with no useful information being conveyed in any way,
especially because of, as I said, the anonymity of the commenters.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, it was one thing worse than that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It was for the first time you had people who
had never been published, who had never passed an editor,
having their thoughts and words and views on the same
level as someone who passed an editor, who actually had
a byline, who was supposed to be in the Washington posts,
and there was this juxtaposition of trolls at actual legitimate journalists,
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and I think that fundamentally change the concept of well,
we're on the same platform at this point. And I
would say the the g litt d litt d lit
you got a legitimation of of journalism.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, yeah, I mean people may not understand how many
levels a thing has to go through, especially in print
media before it goes into the public. You've got your
main editor, copy editors, higher up editors. There's no filter
between your voice right now and the public and unless
you drop a dirty word and Tony hits delay. But
in print journalism there's a lot of quality control, or
at least there used to be. There may not be
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as much as newspapers in particular continue to go extinct.
But nothing is put out there willy nilly and uncarefully
accepted for the comments, accept for the comments. So things
get dicier and dicier as as time passes, and there's
you know, the fewer people available to work and ensure
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that quality control. And anybody with any kind of public
facing job in media, even if they're not opinion people,
even if they're just news people who who say report
the things that a person says and does that you
may not want to hear. That puts everybody at risk
because play the law of averages. In what one thousand people,
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maybe one or two are nutcases prone to violence.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We have no idea. We don't and that's the thing
we always have to prepare for.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We know they exist, we don't know where they are
and we don't know when they are.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
And taking it back to Charlie Kirk, this is a
perfect example.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We still don't know who the person is, but we
know that today was when the person was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
I Later with mo Kelly were alive everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app and also on YouTube. And unfortunately we also
have to talk about the news of the passing of
actress Polly Holliday. Flow from Alice passed away at the
age of eighty eight. And if you're not old enough
to remember Flow in Mels Diner of Alice, Flow was
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a very important character. She was part of a theme
of characters I would say from the TV shows at
the time Norman Lear. Norman Lear's TV shows had strong
female characters which bucked the trend and were actually subversive
given the chauvinism of the nineteen seventies. You had shows
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like One Day at a Time, which was starring a divorcee.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
In Anne Romano. You had obviously Alice a divorcee.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You had Mary Tyler Moore, and other shows in which
women were prominently featured, but also within that like a
show like The Jeffersons, you had Florence of the Maid
who was always giving Jorge that's all sorts of lift.
That was unusual and for some people unacceptable in the
nineteen seventies. And Flow was another one of those characters
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who'd always give Mel all sorts of hell talking back
to him talking about kiss migrants.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You see, we have been cutting out pies into six pieces,
but now we are going to cut out pies into
eight pieces.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's the big news that you had for us.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, that's wonderful now for you, but not for us.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
We want more money.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
You want more money, You got it, same pie, same
price per piece, more servings.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Or tips.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Ew turp which with a bird brain.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I also want to tell you, I'm thinking about watering
down a chicken soup.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
How you already used chicken like a tea bag.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Now look at I'm doing it for you.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Now, would you not do something for me?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Here?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
And poly Holiday was from Alabama, so that southern accent
was real. But I didn't even know until I did
some resource lately. She recently she performed on Broadway. I
mean she was a classically trained actress who fell into TV,
who was not.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Defined by TV.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
I am loath to admit the fact that, even as
a young lad while watching Alice, I was intimately aware
of what she was referring to when she was saying,
kiss my grits. And it's not something that inspired my curiosity.
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I just knew what grits were and had an idea
of what she men by kiss them the grits.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I always took it as kiss my ass. Oh that's
the way I took it, rich's equal ass. No, I
think that that's where I took I thought grits run
the front. Okay, the way she referred to them, I
thought it was You thought it was very feminine specific, Yes, Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Now you got to remember that she was a pretty
big part of pop culture in the seventies and people
were walking around wearing kiss my Grits T shirt, absolutely,
and I.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Believe that was part of the reason why she and
Linda Lavin unfortunately fell out near the end. I think
it was nineteen seventy nine eighty season finale where she
was written out of the show. Because a lot of
these shows you had the original star, and then you
had someone who.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Supplanted the star.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like Good Times, you had JJ who supplanted Florida Evans,
who was because it was Florida Evans show as a
spinoff of Maud. And then you had Alice the show
was Linda Lavin's show. Then you have Flow, who was
actually the bigger attraction with the all due respect.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh yeah, this was a Nimoy and Shatner thing. Yes, No,
I think that's an adequate comparison, or a Doctor Smith
and Lost in Space thing. Yes, look at you, Mark
Runner television history.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
But if I remember right, it was kind of like
The Roper's Show, which didn't go anywhere. And Flow didn't
last real long, did it?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, it did not.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Know.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
The Flow Show did not last, but it still made
way for cattle bulting these unsuspecting characters into becoming stars.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean, no one would have thought Christopher Lloyd's.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Jim Jim Ignatowski would become such a huge, huge star.
He was one of the biggest stars to emerge from Taxi.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yep, but there never was a Jim spinoff show, thank.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
God, No that could that could have done.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And then even when we well we saw what happened
when you try to go too far, too fast off
of taxi.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, unfortunately we have to say goodbye to Paul Holiday.
And once again, if you're a gen X, you're saying
goodbye to more of your childhood in the way that
we are losing our parents in real life. These individuals
are about the age of our parents, and you know,
it's it's an unfortunate reminder of our own mortality.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
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KFI mo Kelly. It's a later with mo Kelly. We
all know what the top news story of the day is.
And I've been in and out of interviews, television and
radio trying to make some sense of the murder of
Charlie Kirk, which happened earlier today, and what might have
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been the motivation of the shooter. We'll get into that,
or actually not get into that, but that's a point
I'll make.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And what is happening in America?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And I know, I know you might be one of
the individuals who could not wait to run a social
media to say this and that about what you feel
about what happened, or who needs to pay or who
is to blame. I want you to slow down. I
just want you to listen to this. And this is
in chronological order. I didn't cherry pick these, but these
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are some of the major stories of just the past
five years, and I want you to look at it
through the larger continuum of violence political violence in America.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This is just chronological order.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
October twenty, twenty thirteen men were arrested in a domestic
plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the
state government. Long story short, About half of them were convicted.
October twenty twenty, a Maryland man was charged with threatening
to kidnap and kill then presidential candidate Joe Biden and
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VP running mat Kamala Harris. September twenty twenty one, a
Miami nurse pleaded guilty to threatening to kill then VP Harris.
October twenty twenty two, Paul Pelosi, husband of then Speaker
of the House Nancy Pelosi, was blegeened with a hammer
by an intruder searching for the Speaker of the House
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Nancy Pelosi. July twenty twenty four, then candidate and former
president Donald Trump was shot in an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania.
August twenty twenty four, a Memphis area man was charged
with making threats against then President Biden, vice President Harris,
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and former President Obama. August twenty twenty four, a Virginia
man was arrested for allegedly making death threats against then
Vice President Harris. September twenty twenty four, a Florida man
was arrested in what the government was alleged was an
attempt on then candidate Donald Trump's.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Life in Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
As a matter of fact, his trial began at the
beginning of this week. April twenty twenty five, a California
man pleaded guilty in an assassination plot against Scotis Justice
Brett Kavanaugh. April twenty twenty five, suspected arsonists tried to
assassinate Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro by firebombing the governor's official residence.
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June twenty twenty five, Minnesota State House Speaker Ofmerita Melissa
Hortman and her husband Mark were murdered in their own
home in a multilocation assassination plot. August twenty twenty five,
a New York man pleaded guilty after threatening to kill
then President Joe Biden. August twenty twenty five, a Pennsylvania
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man pleaded guilty of making social media threats on TikTok
pledging to kill President Trump. August twenty twenty five, an
Indiana woman was arrested in Washington, d c. And charged
in connection with threatening to kill President Trump. That's just
the past five years. That's just what I call some
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of the bigger stories which were covered, which were made
mention of which were listed on the DOJ's website. You
may not have noticed it, you may not remember all
of them, but all of them happened in the past
five years. What happened today is part of a larger
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continuum of violence which is ever present in this country.
Political violence is not different than mass shooting violence.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It is all connected.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What I mean by that is this is a violent
country and has been for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And the way we deal with things.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
We don't like people, we don't like, politics, we don't
like we choose violence. That's not to blame a party,
that's not to blame a group of people, and that's
definitely not a cop out. I'm saying it is endemic,
and it's an epidemic here in America. And I did
not even talk about some of these other events. I
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didn't include the Capital Jewish Museum attack. I didn't include
the pipe bomb placed outside the DNC in twenty twenty one.
I didn't include the Arizona Harris campaign office, which was
shot up three times. There are all sorts of examples
that I can give on both sides of the political
aisle speaking to our obsession with political violence.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It did not begin today with the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But it is a part of a larger continuum of
political violence here in this country. And I know it's
always convenient, it's always easier to get on social media
and blame this person, that group, that ideology. The moment
someone you happen to politically agree with is either harmed
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or threatened or at worst, like today, murdered, I know
that's the easy way. The more difficult conversation is to
have is what has been happening in this country for the.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Past five just five years. We won't even talk about
the past ten, fifteen years, just five years.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And I find it rather odd that we want to
deny this violence and then act surprise when there's more violence.
I find it ironic that we had a large discussion
about whether former Vice President Harris should have more security
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from the federal government, and there was a question of
whether LAPD and the CHP we're going to provide some
sort of security. And I saw a lot of responses saying, well,
no one cares about Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No one's going to try to kill her.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And I'm here to tell you that every president, every
vice president gets death threats all the time. Well, into
their later portion of life. It has nothing to do
with being in office or out of office. Joe Biden
still gets them, Kamala Harris still gets them. Donald Trump
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will get them the rest of his life, and so
will Jade Vance. Because this is a violent country. It
is horrible what happened to Charlie Kirk. Let me be
absolutely clear. This is not about anyone's politics, and I
don't want to speculate on the motive of the shooter,
who I understand and Mark Roner will correct me if
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I'm wrong, is not in custody as of yet, and
the search is still underway. Now we can easily just
speculate that it had to do with politics, but I've
been in this business long enough to know it's okay
to slow down and not be first or jump to conclusions.
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Wait till we find out who this person is, wait
till we find out specifically their motivations, and we'll take
it from there. But we have an epidemic of violence
in this country, and it also includes political violence. It
also includes mass shootings. And it's not lost on me
that we had a school mass shooting and a political
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murder the same damn day.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Within an hour of each other.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And if I heard Mark Ronnock correctly, it happened at
the same school in which Columbine happened in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And I was almost late to work because there was
a shooting in my neighborhood just this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Welcome to America.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (08:47):
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Speaker 1 (08:53):
KFI Later with Mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on iHeartRadio
app and also YouTube. And I have more thoughts on
on the murder of Charlie Kirk today. And I was probably,
like you mine in my own business, doing my own thing,
maybe bumping around the internet looking for different news and stories,
and all of a sudden got the news notification to
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pop up alert that Charlie Kirk had been shot. And
I'm not making this story about me, but I will
tell you what goes through my mind on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I am not on the level of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
But I work in a space, in a political space
where I know all too well that people will respond
to you or allege they heard all sorts of things
and then respond accordingly, whether you said them or not.
And people at this time in this country take everything personally.
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And although I can point to certain things that Charlie
Kirk may have said that were patently offensive or I
may have disagreed with, or he may have gone about
it in a way that I never would have, I
would always fight for his right to say it and
the First Amendment in this country. As someone who works
in media, I don't make any distinction. He does what
he did what he did, and I do what I do.
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But I'm always very cognizant of the violence which is
only steps away in this country surrounding our political discourse.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I know Twala has talked about it, how.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
We have been threatened here at KFI for having any
sort of opinion which may have been in disagreement with
this particular caller or that particular emailer.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've had people threaten to come up.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Here and want to fight us, and I've had people
send letters, disparaging letters to my then parents' home and
my house and trying to find out who my wife is.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So all of this is.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Very real and very very personal in a certain way
where when you have someone like Charlie Kirk who is murdered,
one can't help but think, working in this business, how
it could also happen to me or someone else who
is outspoken. And I tend to think of myself as
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outspoken on any number of issues. Again, my delivery very
different from Charlie Kirk, but still the hate is the
same in many instances, and I would not wish violence
on anyone, regardless of their political beliefs or expressions. But
we live in a violent America, no doubt. The only problem,
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as I see it, is we're selective in our amnesia
about violence, where it originates, how long it's been here,
and when it's acceptable. There are people today who were
okay with Charlie Kirk being murdered.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That bothers the hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But I also remember people who were making all sorts
of jokes in media and all social media about Paul
Pelosi taking a hammer to the Dome. I remember all this.
I'm not excusing either. I'm saying both were happening, and
this is not a both sides thing, this is an
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everybody thing. We didn't get here overnight, and we didn't
get here just because a small portion of our country
is okay with political violence.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's why I took the steps.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Of just listing about ten to fifteen incidents in the
past five years, both sides of the aisle, both sides
of the ideological spectrum, where political violence was a viable option.
Sometimes it was thwarted in advance before it got to
the operational phase, as they call it, and sometimes they
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were able to even take a shot at a presidentidential
candidate Heaven forbid. But this is where we are, and
here is the real takeaway. We're not leaving here anytime soon.
We didn't get here overnight. And we're very comfortable in
this place of political violence. I said it, and I
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meant it. We're very comfortable. Why because we're not doing
anything to lessen the likelihood of it happening again. And
I remember I said it for the last mass shooting.
It's like I don't have anything new to say because
we have no desire to change, And since we have
no desire to change, we're not going to do anything
except throughout the obligatory thoughts and prayers. Nothing will change.
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And I say this as a Christian. I believe there
is a place for thoughts and prayers. But as I
said before, faith without works is dead. And if all
we're going to do is say thoughts and prayers and
point the finger at the political persuasion that we don't
like today. Then you know what, someone else is going
to die tomorrow for the same damn reason.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I'm fortunately it is inescapable.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It is unavoidable because we are way too comfortable in
our easy chair or bark lounger with this political violence.
So long as it only impacts the people we don't like,
So long as it impacts the people who don't vote
as we do, there's going.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To be more political violence. How do I know?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Because I told you there was going to be more
mass shootings, and lo and behold, we've had two or
three since the last time we talked about it, and
nothing's changed with mass shootings. So nothing's going to change
with political violence. It is one thing to say we
need to dial back the rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
That is easy to say.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's another thing to be committed to it, to be
willing to stand by that for months and months at
a time, even though it is easier to say the
things which will put it this way. I never get
on this show with the express intent of going viral.
If you know me, I don't say things to to
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be controversial.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I don't say things to get ratings. I don't say.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Things for clicks. I try to be as honest, as
straightforward as possible and sincere. You're authentic in what I
tell you. If I if I say it here, I
hope you know that I believe what I say, and
you may disagree with me, but it's coming from a
sincere place.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But there are a lot of people don't think as
I do.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And there are a lot of commentators who will say
stuff knowing good and well that they'll go viral, that
they'll get clicks, that they will own to the Libs
or piss off the Republicans. And that's how a lot
of our media works today, unfortunately, and because of that,
it just keeps ratcheting up and ratcheting up, and then
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you have people who will show up on January sixth
and want to murder the vice president or they'll take
a shot at Donald Trump. And this is going to
continue because we collectively as a society have no desire
to change. It's almost like you're complaining about your weight,
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you're complaining about all the meds that you're on, but
you're not willing to change your diet. You're not willing
to change your food portions. You're not willing to stop
the drinking, to stop smoking. You're not willing to do
anything differently. You just want a different result. Well, that's
not going to happen. There's going to be more mass shootings.
There's going to be more political violence. Why because we're
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okay with both KFI AM six forty it's Later with
mo Kelly.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Can if I letter with Mo Kelly, Mister mo Kelly here,
we're live every morning. I heart radio, app and YouTube.
And I've been doing this for so long sometimes you
forget some things you've done.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'd forgotten when I had run into Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It was twenty eighteen at politicn In fact, it was
like I was in the same room with Charlie Kirk
and that's when I had interviewed Tucker Carlson, because we're
all in the same anti room. And when you're in
this business long enough, especially when it comes to political commentary,
you will come across just about everyone. You're at the
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same events, you're on the same networks. You may be
debating on opposite sides of an issue on CNN or
MSNBC or Fox News or one of the local channels.
So you come across people all the time, and Charlie
Kirk was someone I did come across in twenty eighteen
in Politicon, I was a moderator for like two panels.
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He wasn't on my panel, but he was there for
the two panels in which I was moderating, and we
had some interaction later on, because back in twenty eighteen
he wasn't the Charlie Kirk that we know today.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
He was still up and coming.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
He was thirty one, only thirty one, so back then
he was early to mid twenties. So he was on
the rise at that point, and you could tell that
he was a conservative wonder kin for the party, and
he was embraced accordingly. But part of his stick, my word,
his stick was being vocal, abrasive and engaging people in debates.
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And to his credit, I will say this, he was
willing to debate anyone in everyone. It wasn't my style,
but I understood what he was trying to do, and
he was pushing the ball forward as far as having conversations.
The argument of persuasion, which we don't often do anymore. Again,
wasn't my style, but I could appreciate at least that
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he was willing to enter into debate with people. I'm
not a big debate guy. I'm more facts, figures and history.
But I had forgotten that we had cross paths over
the years some time ago. But I only mentioned to say,
when you work in this business as a commentator on
a small or larger level, I wouldn't say it's a
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fraternity or brotherhood, but there is a level of mutual
understanding as far as the types of threats that we
may endure. I used to read some of my emails
on the air of some of the ridiculous things that
I would receive, think the worst thing, the worst insult
that someone might say to me. I've had ten times worse,
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ten times as many times as you may think of it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And that's just me.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I can't speak for Tuala, I can't speak for anyone else,
but I can say, in just my little piece of
this sandbox, I know what I receive.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I know what threats I've had lobbed at me.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I can't imagine someone on Kirk's level what he had
he had his private security, but he was still going
from campus to campus and largely available to the masses.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
He didn't run away, he was largely available.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But there is a real danger in what we do
because it only takes one idiot, not ten, not twenty,
just one person who takes exceptional offense to something that
you say and feels that the only way that can
shut you up is to shoot you. That's something that
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has always been an active concern for me, especially in
these highly partisan times.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think about that.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm very judicious as far as how often I talk
politics on this show and how I go about it
when I do. When we talk about these very very
sensitive subjects, I'm clear that I have to be very
careful in my word choice because there are oftentimes and
I know this is the only time I'm going to
bring you in, Mark, where I use you as an example.
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People think they may hear something and they react to
what they think they may hear, or they feel that
you're talking to them directly.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Or personally, and then they respond to that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's a running joke we have on the show where
people get mad at me for stuff I never said.
And I know that you Mark, in your many years
of working in media have probably experienced something similar.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Anytime you have any kind of a public job, it's
just open season on you, and especially now with the
anonymity of the Internet, it's ten times worse.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That's a great.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Point, the anonymity of the Internet. Well, there are two
things to that. There's the anonymity and also the access.
Twenty years ago, at best, you get an email address
to the person who did a column in a newspaper.
You didn't even have the opportunity to leave a comment
for the most part, on the Washington Post or any
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one of these news sites.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And then with the explosion.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Of comment sections and social media and people making themselves
available on social media via Twitter or any other social
media platform, you had a direct line to that person,
and you also had more of a knowledge of where
they would be, their schedule, their speaking engagements. I remember
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a time, especially in radio, people didn't even know what
you look like because there was no Internet, and they
formed this idea in their mind of what you look like,
and you, as a radio professional, still retained some degree
of anonymity. Now it's like, who's this mo kelly mother, father?
Let me look him up and see what he looks like,
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and just being very honest. I have always been very
aware of every night that I leave this studio and
as I walk out those double glass doors at some
ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, making sure that there's
not someone waiting on me who's angry about something I
said that night, last night, twelve nights ago.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Sure, and everybody in the radio profession has had the
example of Alan Berg drilled into them. He was yes, yes,
thank you for that. He was shot back in nineteen
eighty four a talk radio host and the edition of
newspaper comments sections in particular. I'm not sure who the
genius was who came up with that, but it was
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a terrible, terrible idea because all it really led to
was trolling with no useful information being conveyed in any way,
especially because of, as I said, the anonymity of the commenters.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, it was one thing worse than that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It was for the first time you had people who
had never been published, who had never passed an editor,
having their thoughts and words and views on the same
level as someone who passed an editor, who actually had
a byline, who was supposed to be in the Washington posts,
and there was this juxtaposition of trolls at actual legitimate journalists,
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and I think that fundamentally change the concept of well,
we're on the same platform at this point. And I
would say the the g litt d litt d lit
you got a legitimation of of journalism.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, yeah, I mean people may not understand how many
levels a thing has to go through, especially in print
media before it goes into the public. You've got your
main editor, copy editors, higher up editors. There's no filter
between your voice right now and the public and unless
you drop a dirty word and Tony hits delay. But
in print journalism there's a lot of quality control, or
at least there used to be. There may not be
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as much as newspapers in particular continue to go extinct.
But nothing is put out there willy nilly and uncarefully
accepted for the comments, accept for the comments. So things
get dicier and dicier as as time passes, and there's
you know, the fewer people available to work and ensure
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that quality control. And anybody with any kind of public
facing job in media, even if they're not opinion people,
even if they're just news people who who say report
the things that a person says and does that you
may not want to hear. That puts everybody at risk
because play the law of averages. In what one thousand people,
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maybe one or two are nutcases prone to violence.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We have no idea. We don't and that's the thing
we always have to prepare for.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We know they exist, we don't know where they are
and we don't know when they are.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
And taking it back to Charlie Kirk, this is a
perfect example.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We still don't know who the person is, but we
know that today was when the person was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
I Later with mo Kelly were alive everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app and also on YouTube. And unfortunately we also
have to talk about the news of the passing of
actress Polly Holliday. Flow from Alice passed away at the
age of eighty eight. And if you're not old enough
to remember Flow in Mels Diner of Alice, Flow was
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a very important character. She was part of a theme
of characters I would say from the TV shows at
the time Norman Lear. Norman Lear's TV shows had strong
female characters which bucked the trend and were actually subversive
given the chauvinism of the nineteen seventies. You had shows
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like One Day at a Time, which was starring a divorcee.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
In Anne Romano. You had obviously Alice a divorcee.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You had Mary Tyler Moore, and other shows in which
women were prominently featured, but also within that like a
show like The Jeffersons, you had Florence of the Maid
who was always giving Jorge that's all sorts of lift.
That was unusual and for some people unacceptable in the
nineteen seventies. And Flow was another one of those characters
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who'd always give Mel all sorts of hell talking back
to him talking about kiss migrants.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You see, we have been cutting out pies into six pieces,
but now we are going to cut out pies into
eight pieces.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's the big news that you had for us.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, that's wonderful now for you, but not for us.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
We want more money.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
You want more money, You got it, same pie, same
price per piece, more servings.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Or tips.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Ew turp which with a bird brain.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I also want to tell you, I'm thinking about watering
down a chicken soup.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
How you already used chicken like a tea bag.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Now look at I'm doing it for you.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Now, would you not do something for me?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Here?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
And poly Holiday was from Alabama, so that southern accent
was real. But I didn't even know until I did
some resource lately. She recently she performed on Broadway. I
mean she was a classically trained actress who fell into TV,
who was not.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Defined by TV.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
I am loath to admit the fact that, even as
a young lad while watching Alice, I was intimately aware
of what she was referring to when she was saying,
kiss my grits. And it's not something that inspired my curiosity.
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I just knew what grits were and had an idea
of what she men by kiss them the grits.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I always took it as kiss my ass. Oh that's
the way I took it, rich's equal ass. No, I
think that that's where I took I thought grits run
the front. Okay, the way she referred to them, I
thought it was You thought it was very feminine specific, Yes, Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Now you got to remember that she was a pretty
big part of pop culture in the seventies and people
were walking around wearing kiss my Grits T shirt, absolutely,
and I.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Believe that was part of the reason why she and
Linda Lavin unfortunately fell out near the end. I think
it was nineteen seventy nine eighty season finale where she
was written out of the show. Because a lot of
these shows you had the original star, and then you
had someone who.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Supplanted the star.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like Good Times, you had JJ who supplanted Florida Evans,
who was because it was Florida Evans show as a
spinoff of Maud. And then you had Alice the show
was Linda Lavin's show. Then you have Flow, who was
actually the bigger attraction with the all due respect.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh yeah, this was a Nimoy and Shatner thing. Yes, No,
I think that's an adequate comparison, or a Doctor Smith
and Lost in Space thing. Yes, look at you, Mark
Runner television history.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
But if I remember right, it was kind of like
The Roper's Show, which didn't go anywhere. And Flow didn't
last real long, did it?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, it did not.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Know.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
The Flow Show did not last, but it still made
way for cattle bulting these unsuspecting characters into becoming stars.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean, no one would have thought Christopher Lloyd's.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Jim Jim Ignatowski would become such a huge, huge star.
He was one of the biggest stars to emerge from Taxi.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yep, but there never was a Jim spinoff show, thank.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
God, No that could that could have done.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And then even when we well we saw what happened
when you try to go too far, too fast off
of taxi.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, unfortunately we have to say goodbye to Paul Holiday.
And once again, if you're a gen X, you're saying
goodbye to more of your childhood in the way that
we are losing our parents in real life. These individuals
are about the age of our parents, and you know,
it's it's an unfortunate reminder of our own mortality.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
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