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Speaker 4 (00:14):
Senator Vance in twenty sixteen, you called your running mate
Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office, and you
said he could be America's hitler. I know you've said
You've been asked many times, and you've said you regret
those comments and explained you then voted for Donald Trump
in twenty twenty. But The Washington Post reported new messages

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last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record
while he was president, writing to someone in twenty twenty, quote,
Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism. Here now
is running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy
stances to align with his. If you become vice president,

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why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump
the advice he needs to hear, and not just the
advice he wants to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
You have two minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open
and sometimes of course, I've disagreed with the president, but
I've also been extremely open about the fact that I
was wrong about Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 (01:12):
I was wrong, first of all because.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
I believed some of the media stories that turned out
to be dishonest fabrications of his record.

Speaker 7 (01:18):
But most importantly, Donald.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
Trump delivered for the American people, rising wages, rising take
home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a
secure southern border, a lot of things frankly, that I
didn't think he'd be able to deliver on. And yeah,
when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get
something wrong, and you change your mind, you ought to
be honest with the American people about It's one of
the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is

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because I think it's important to actually explain to the
American people where I come down on the issues and
what changed.

Speaker 7 (01:45):
You pointed out to messages.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
From twenty twenty, Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I
think there were a lot of things that we could
have done better in the Trump administration the first round
if Congress was doing its job. I strongly believe, and
I've been a United States senator, Congress is not just
a high class debating society. It's not just a forum
for senators and congressmen to whind about problems. It's a
forum to govern. So there were a lot of things

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on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think
that we could have done so much more if the
Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a
little bit better about how they governed the country.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
They were so obsessed with impeaching.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Donald Trump they couldn't actually govern. And I want to
talk about this tarificshue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just
accused this of.

Speaker 7 (02:28):
Being a national sales tax. Look the one.

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Thing and probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden,
But the one thing that Joe Biden did is he
continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
And it's the one issue, the most.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
Pro worker part of the Biden administration. It's the one
issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.
Think about this, if you're trying to employ slave laborers
in China at three dollars a day, you're going to
do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless
our country stands up for itself and says you're not
accessing our markets unless you're paying middle class Americans a

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fair wage.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Senator, your time is Nora. Thank you.

Speaker 8 (03:10):
Now to the issue of reproductive rights.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
Governor Walls.

Speaker 8 (03:13):
After Roe versus Wade was overturned, you signed a bill
into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive
states in the nation when it comes to abortion. Former
President Trump said in the last debate that you believe
abortion quote in the ninth month, is absolutely fine? Yes
or no? Is that what you support. I'll give you

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two minutes.

Speaker 9 (03:35):
It's not what the bill says. But look, this issue
is what's on everyone's mind. Donald Trump put this all
into motion. He brags about how great it was that
he put the judges in and overturned rovers's way fifty
two years of personal autonomy. And then he tells us, oh,
we send it to the states. It's a beautiful thing.

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Amanda Zorski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing.
A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at
eighteen weeks she has a complication, a tear in the membrane.
She needs to go in the medical care at that
point needs to be decided by the doctor, and that
would have been an abortion. But in Texas that would
have put them in legal jeopardy. She went home, got sepsis,

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nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.
Or in Kentucky Hadlee Duval, a twelve year old child
rape and impregnated by her stepfather. Those are horrific. Now,
when God asked about that, Senator Vance said, two wrongs
don't make a right. There is no right in this.
So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade.

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We made sure that we put women in charge of
their healthcare. But look, this is not what if you
don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will. Their
project twenty twenty five is going to have a registry
of pregnancies. It's going to make it more difficult, if
not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not

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eliminate access to infertility treatments. For so many of you
out there listening to me, included infertility treatments.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
Are why I have a child.

Speaker 9 (05:08):
That's nobody else's business. But those things are being proposed.
And the catch all on this is, well, the States
will decide what's right for Texas might not be right
for Washington. That's not how this works. This is basic
human right. We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas,
outpacing many other countries in the world. This is about healthcare.

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In Minnesota, we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason.
We trust women, we trust doctors.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?
Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?

Speaker 9 (05:42):
No?

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Nor certainly we won't.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
And I want to talk about this issue because I
know a lot of Americans care about it, and I
know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that
I've ever said on this topic. And you know, I
grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood
where I knew a lot of young women who had
unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate this pregnancy because they
feel like they didn't have any other options. And one

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of them is actually very dear to me, and I
know she's watching tonight.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
And I love you.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
And she told me something a couple of years ago
that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion,
that it would have destroyed her life because she was
in an abusive relationship, and I think that what I
take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to
protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to
protect the vulnerable, is that my party we've got to
do so much better of a job at earning the

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American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly
just don't trust us. And I think that's one of
the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.
I want us as a Republican party to be pro
family in the fullest sense of the word. I want
us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make
it easier for moms to afford to have babies. I
wanted to make it easier for young families to afford

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a home so they can afford a place to raise
that family. And I think there's so much that we
can do on the public policy front just to give
women more options now. Now, of course, Donald Trump has
been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that
we have a big country and it's diverse, and California
has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia has

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a different viewpoint from Arizona, and the proper way to
handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to
let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
Their abortion policy.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
And I think that's what makes the most sense in
a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest,
sometimes a very very messy and divided country.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the
question about restrictions.

Speaker 9 (07:37):
Yeah, well, the question got asked. Donald Trump made the
accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell
you about this idea that they're diverse states. There's a
young woman named Amber Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia,
a restrictive state. Because of that, she had to travel
a long distance to North Carolina to try and get
her care. Amber thur In that journey back and forth,

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the fact of the matter is, how can we as
a nation say that your life and your rights as
basic as the right to control your own body, is
determined on geography. There's a very real chance had Amber
Thurmann lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today. That's
why the restoration of ROVERSUS. Wait, when you listen to

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Vice President Harris talk about this subject. Can you hear
me talk about it? You hear us talking exactly the same.
Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get
the political right of this. I agree with a lot
of what Zenator Vance said about what's happening. His running mate, though,
does not, and that's the problem.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
Governor, your time is up.

Speaker 8 (08:40):
Senator, let me ask you about that he mentioned, I think,
referring to a national ban. In the past, you have
supported a federal ban on abortion after fifteen weeks. In fact,
you said, if someone can't support legislation like that quote,
you are making the United States the most barbaric pro
abortion regime anywhere in the higher world. My question is

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why have you changed your position?

Speaker 6 (09:04):
Well, Noura, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
I did during what I was running for Senate in
twenty twenty two, talk about setting some menim a national standard.
For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in
this in place in this country at the federal level.
I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that,
or at least I hope not, though I know that
Democrats have taken a very radical.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
Pro abortion stance.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
But Noura, you know one of the things that changed
is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum
in twenty twenty three, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly,
by the way against my position. And I think that
what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got
to do a better job at winning back people's trust.
So many young women would love to have families, so
many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something

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that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy
their relationships.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
And we have got to earn people's trust back.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to
pursuing pro family policies, making childcare more accessible, making fertility
treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better
job at that.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
And that's what real leadership is, Governor.

Speaker 9 (10:05):
And your response, why I'm going to respond on the
pro abortion piece of that, No, we're not. We're pro women.
We're pro freedom to make your own choice. We know
what the implications are to not be that women having miscarriages,
women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they may
be prosecuted for providing that care, And as far as

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making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options.
Minnesota is a stated one of the lowest team pregnancy rates.
We understand that too. We know that the options need
to be available, and we make that true. We also
make it we're a top three state for the best
place to raise children. But these two things to try
and say that we're pro children but we don't like this,

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or you guys are pro abortion. That's not the case
at all. We are pro freedoms for women to make
their choices, and we're going and Kamala Harris is making
the case to make options for children more affordable, a
six thousand dollars child tax credit. But we're not kind
of based on the backs of making someone like Amber
Thurman drive six hundred miles to try and get healthcare.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Senator may respond to that.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
First of all, Governor, I agree with the Amber Thurmon
should still be alive, and there are a lot of
people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish
that she was. And maybe you're free to disagree with
me on this and explain this to me. But as
I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law,
the statute that you signed into law, it says that
a doctor who presides over an.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Abortion where the baby survives.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
The doctor is under no obligation to provide life saving
care to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion.
That is I think, whether pro choice or provider show,
that is fundamentally barbaric. And that's why I use that word,
Nora is because some of what we've seen.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions
against their will?

Speaker 6 (11:47):
Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate
their freedom of conscience. We can be a big and
diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and
make the country more pro baby and pro family.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
But please, yes, Governor, please respond.

Speaker 9 (12:02):
Look, this is one where there's always something there. This
is a very simple proposition. These are women's decisions to
make about their health care decisions, and the physicians who
know best when they need to do this. Trying to
distort the way a law is written to try and
make a point that's not it at all.

Speaker 7 (12:16):
Was I wrong? I'm governor, Please tell me what was that?

Speaker 9 (12:19):
That is not the way the law is written. Look,
I've given how I've given this advice on a lot
of things that getting involved getting against. That's been misread
and it was fact checked at the last debate. But
the point on this is is there's a continuation of
these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.
I use this line on this, just mind your own
business on this. Things work best when Roe versus Wade
was in place. When we do a restoration of Row,

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that works best. That doesn't preclude us from increasing funding
for children. It doesn't increase us from making sure that
once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals,
they get early childhood education, they get healthcare. So the
hiding behind we're going to do all these other things
when you're not posing him in your budget. Kamala Harris

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is proposing him. She's proposing all those things to make
life easier for families.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
I asked the specific question, Governor, you gave me a slogan.

Speaker 9 (13:08):
As a result, it's not the case. It's not true,
that's not what the law says. So they fact checked
it with President Trump.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. We have to move on,
and we're going to be right back with much more
of the CBS News Vice presidential debate in just a moment.

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This is a CBS News Vice presidential debate on KFI
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a rather civil discussion between Ohio Senator jd Vance and
Minnesota Governor Tim Wallas.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Let's get back to it.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Clame would curb gun violence? You oppose red flag gun
laws and legislation to ban certain semi automatic rifles, including
AR fifteens.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
So let me ask you.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of
a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced
to ten years in prison. Do you think holding parents
responsible could curb mass shootings.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
I'll give you two minutes.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Yeah, Well, Laura, on that particular case, I don't know
the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement
and local authorities to make those decisions.

Speaker 7 (14:30):
I think in some cases the answer is going to
be yes.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
In some cases, the answer is going to be no,
and the details really matter here, of course. For example,
if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be
different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing
that their kid is potentially dangerous. Look, I want to
just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful
little kids. In our oldest is now in second grade,
and like a lot of parents, we send our kids
to school with such hope and such joy and such

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pride at their little faces on the first day of school.
And we know, unfortunately that a lot of kids are
going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence, and
of course our hearts go out to the families that
are affected by this terrible stuff. And we do have
to do better. And I think that Governor Wilson I
actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.
The question is just how do we actually do it
now Here. Here's something that really bothers me and worries

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me about this epidemic of violence.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
The gross majority close.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
To ninety percent, and some of the statists I've seen
of the gun violence in this country is committed with
illegally obtained firearms. And while we're on that topic, we
know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open Border, we've seen
a massive influx and the number of illegal guns run
by the Mexican drug cartels. So that number, then, the
amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today

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than it was three and a half years ago. But
what do we do about the schools? What do we
do to protect our kids? And I think the answer
is and I say this not loving the answer, because
I don't want my kids to go to school in
a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible
signs of security. But I unfortunately think that we have
to increase security in our schools. We have to make

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the doors lock better, we have to make the doors stronger,
We've got to make the windows stronger.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
And of course we've got.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
To increase school resource officers because the idea that we
can magically wave a wand and take guns out of
the hands of bad guys it just doesn't fit with
recent experience.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
So we've got to make our schools safer.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
And I think we've got to have some common sense,
bipartisan solutions for how.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
To do that.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Governor, you have two minutes.

Speaker 9 (16:23):
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is
just your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a seventeen year
old and he witnessed to shooting at a community center
playing volleyball. Those things don't leave you. As a member
of Congress, I set in my office surrounded by dozens
of the Sandiog parents and they were looking at my
seven year old picture on the wall. Their seven year

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old were dead, and they were asking us to do something.
And look, I'm a hunter, I own firearms. The Vice
President is we understand that the Second Amendment is there,
but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out.
In Minnesota, we've enacted enhance red flag laws, enhanced background checks,
and we can start to get data. But here's the problem.

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If we really want to solve this, we've got folks
that won't allow research to be even done on gun
violence and this idea that we should just live with it.
And here's what I do think that this is a
good start to the conversation. I one hundred percent believe
that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's a
boring and it breaks your heart. I agree with that,

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but that's not far enough when we know they're things
that work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some
finished schools. They don't have this happen, even though they
have a high gun ownership rate in the country. There
are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.
It's not infringing on your Second Amendment and the idea
to have some of these weapons out there. It just

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doesn't make any sense. Kamala Harris, as an Attorney General,
worked on this issue. She knows that it's there. No
one's trying to scare monger and say we're taking your gun.
But I ask all of you out there, do you
want your schools hardened to look like a fort? Is
that what we have to go When we know there's
countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these

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types of drills. They're being kids. We owe it to
them to get a fix. These are things that should
be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms and
we can make a difference. We have to. If you're
listening tonight, this breaks your heart.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Senator Tim.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
First of all, I didn't know that your seventeen year
old witness is shooting. I'm sorry about that, and I appreciate. Okay,
christ have mercy. It is awful and I appreciate what
Tim said actually about Finland, because I do think it
illustrates some of the frankly weird differences between our own
country's gun violence problem and Finland is okay. First of all,
we have way higher rates of mental health abuse or

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mental health substance abuse. We have way higher rates of depression,
way higher rates of anxiety. We unfortunately have a mental
health crisis in this country that I really do think
that we need to get to the root causes of,
because I don't think it's the whole reason why we
have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do
think it's a big piece of it, another driver of
the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids. It

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doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun
violence problem in a lot of our big cities, and
this is why we have to empower law enforcement to
arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun
offenders off the streets. I think it's a whole host
of things that we can do here, but I do
think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Senator, thank you.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Governor you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it
only later in your political career, did you change your position? Why?

Speaker 9 (19:36):
Yeah, I set in that office with those San Diegog parents.
So I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it.
Look the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a
long time. They used to teach gun safety. I'm of
an age where my shotgun was in my car, so
I could fessan hunt after football practice. That's not where
we live today. And several things I want to mention
on this is talking about cities and where it's at.

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The Number one where the most arm deaths happened in
Minnesota are rural suicides. And we have an epidemic of
children getting guns and shooting themselves. And so we have
and we should look at all of the issues, making
sure folks have health care and all that. But I
want to be very careful this idea of stigmatizing mental health.

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Just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean
you're violent. And I think what we end up doing
is we start looking for escapeboat. Sometimes it just is
the guns. It's just the guns, and there are things
that you can do about it. But I do think
that this is one and I think this is a
healthy conversation. I think there's a capacity to find solutions
on this that work. Protect Second Amendment, protect our children.

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That's our priority.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Gentlemen. Thank you, Margaret, thank you Nora.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Let's turn out to the top contributor to inflation, the
high cost of housing and rent. There's a shortage of
more than four million homes in the United States, and
that contributes to the.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
High housing prices. Governor Walls.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
The Harris campaign promises a twenty five dollar down payment
assistance for first time home buyers and a ten thousand
dollars tax credit. They also promise to build three million
new homes.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Where are you building these homes?

Speaker 4 (21:12):
And won't handing out that kind of money just drive
up prices higher?

Speaker 9 (21:16):
No, it's not handing out we have first let me
say this this issue of housing, and I think those
of you listening on this, the problem we've had is
that we've got a lot of folks that see housing
as another commodity. It can be bought up, it can
be shifted, it can be moved around. Those are not
folks living in those houses, those of you listening tonight,
that house a big deal. I bought and owned one

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house in my life. My mom still lives in the
house where I was, and when I think of a house,
I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight Mass, where you
go with your family. We need to make it more affordable.
And one of the things is I said, this program
that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a
new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota.
From that lead, we in the state invested in making

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sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever
made in housing. It starts to make it easier. We
cut some of the red tape local folks. Look, we
can't do at the federal level, but local folks make
it easier to build those homes. And then that down
payment assistance. I can tell all of you out there
one of the certainly for me, using the GI bill
was one thing, but a veterans home loan. The big

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thing about a veterans home loan is you don't have
to pay the down payment. Those are things that make
it there.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
Now.

Speaker 9 (22:25):
Look, you're going to pay it back and you're going
to pay your mortgage. Those are things that we know
in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth
that's created from it, and I will give Minneapolis an example.
Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest
inflation rates. We've seen a twelve percent increase in stock
because we've put some of these things in and we're
implementing a state program to make sure we give some

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of that down payment assistance, we get it back from
people because here's what we know. People with stable housing
end up with stable jobs, People with stable housing, have
their kids able to be able to get to school.
All of those things, in the long run end up
saving our money. And that's the thing that I think
we should be able to find some common ground in.
But we can't blame immigrants for the only reason. That's

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not the case that's happening in many cities. The fact
of the matter is is that we don't have enough
naturally affording affordable housing. But we can make sure that
the government's there to help kickstart it, create that create
that base.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Governor, your time is, Senator Vance. As far as your
campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to
build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back
on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. Where are
you going to build all the new homes you're promising,
and what part of any of this plan will provide

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immediate relief you have two minutes.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I
agree with. We don't want to blame immigrants for higher
housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris
for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Which does drive up cost.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Twenty five million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce
homes is one of this most significant drivers of home
prices in the country.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
It's why we have massive increases in.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in
illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. Now, Tim just
mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now, some of those ideas
I actually think are halfway decent, and some of them
I disagree with. But the most important thing here is
Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
She is the sitting vice president.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
If she wants to enact all of these policies to
make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the
office that the American people already gave her, not sit
around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the
American dream of home ownership completely unaffordable. Now you asked Margaret,
what would immediately change the equation for American citizens if

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you lower energy prices?

Speaker 7 (24:56):
As Donald Trump says, Drill, baby, drill.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
One of the biggest drive of housing costs, aside from
illegal immigration is think about it. If a truck drivers
pan forty percent more for diesel, then the lumber he's
delivering to the job site to build the house is
also going to become a lot more expensive. If we
open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing release
relief for American citizens, not by the way, just in housing,

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but in a whole host.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Of other economic goods too.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Senator advance, you still have twenty three seconds there.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Do you want to answer where?

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, a governor, we will get to you in a moment.
But Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Can you clarify?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a
lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.
They're not being used for National park, They're not being
used and they could be places where we build a
lot of housing. And I do think that we should
be opening up building in this country. We have a
lot of land that could be used. We have a
lot of Americans that need homes. We should be kicking
out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and

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we should be building more homes for the American citizens
who deserve to be here.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Center of your time is Governor. I do want to
let you respond to the allegation that the vice president
is letting in.

Speaker 9 (26:07):
Well, of course true, and again you have facts. I
guess we agreed not to fact check. I'll check it that. Look,
crossings are down compared to in Donald Trump left office.
But it's again blaming and not trying to find the solution.
I was going to ask on this question, are we
going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
And I think when people hear federal lands, these are
really important pieces of land. Now, Minnesota doesn't have a

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lot of federal lands. I know in the western part
of the countries we do. There's not a lot of
federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. So the
issue is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless
we see this. And I worry about this as someone
who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. Look, Minnesota,
we protect these things. We've got about twenty percent of
the world's fresh water these lands protect They're there for

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a reason. They belong to all of us. But again,
this is when you view housing and you view these
things as commodities. There's a chance to make money here.
Let's take this federal land and let's sell it to
people for that. I think there's better ways to do this.
We've seen it in Minnesota. We're able to refurbish some
of these houses, We're able to make some investments that
gets people in. And I'm still on the fact on
this Economists Center bench you said you don't like the economists,

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which economists are saying that it is immigrants, it's adding
to the cost.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Governor, Governor, your your time is up. But Senator, on
that point, I'd like for you to clarify. There are
many contributing factors to high housing costs. What evidence do
you have that migrants are part of this problem.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to
share after the debate.

Speaker 7 (27:33):
We'll put it up on social media.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased
levels of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices. Now,
of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher
housing prices. It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.

Speaker 7 (27:50):
Look, we are a.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
Country of builders, we're a country of doers. We're a
country of explorers. But we increasingly have a federal administration
that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it
harder to build things, and wants to throw people in
jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
Have to do.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
And what that means is that you have a lot
of people who would love to build.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Homes who aren't able to build homes.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
I actually agree with Tim Walltz we should get out
of this idea of housing as a commodity. But the
thing that is most turn housing into a commodity is
giving it away to millions upon millions of people who
have no legal right to be here.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
What are the federal regulations I deal with that as
a governor.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
You can very quickly reply, I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (28:34):
I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily
disagree with that that in some cases many of those
are local, many of them are state. I don't know
which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations,
people think they can get rid of them. I think
you want to be able to get out of your
house in a fire. I think you want to make
sure that it's fireproof and those types of things. So
which are the regulations because the vice President's not responsible

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for those Congress rights those governor?

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Thank you. Gentlemen. We have a lot to get through.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
You're passionate about the housing crisis.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
I can tell Nora, thank you.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
One of the top problems facing Americans is the high
cost of healthcare, Senator Vance. At the last presidential debate,
former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.
In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.
Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill
Americans get health insurance. Can you explain how that would

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work and can you guarantee that Americans with pre existing
conditions won't pay more?

Speaker 5 (29:35):

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Well, of course, we're going to cover americans with pre
existing conditions. In fact, a lot of my family members
have gotten healthcare. I believe you know members of my
family actually got private health insurance at least for the
first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for
the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.

Speaker 7 (29:52):
And I think that, you know, a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
Have criticized this concepts of a plan remark. I think
it's very simple, common sense. I think it's Tim Walls
knows from twelve years in Congress, You're not going to
propose a nine hundred page bill standing on a debate stage.
It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually
mean anything because part of this is the give and
take of bipartisan negotiation. Now, when Donald Trump was actually president,
and again he has a record to be proud of.

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Prescription drugs fell in twenty eighteen for the first time
in a very long time. But er Kamala Harris's leadership,
prescription drugs are up about seven percent. Under Donald Trump's
entire four years, they were up about one and a
half percent.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
He introduced pricing transparency.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
You think about healthcare, you go into a hospital, you
try to buy something, and nobody.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
Knows what it actually costs.

Speaker 6 (30:36):
That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little
bit more choice and will also drive down costs, and
we talked about the reinsurance regulations, is what I was
talking about. Look, Donald Trump has said that if we
allow states to experiment a little bit on how to
cover both the chronically ill but the non chronically ill.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
It's not just a plan.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
He actually implemented some of these regulations, and he was
president of the United States, and I think you can
make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which
was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along. And I
think this is an important point about President Trump. Of course,
you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump
has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was

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crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and
healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program. Instead,
he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans
had access to affordable care. It's not perfect, of course,
and there's so much more that we can do.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Put in place some better health care policies. He's earned
it because he did it successfully the first time.

Speaker 9 (31:41):
Governor. All Right, here's where it. Being an old guy
gives you some history. I was there at the creation
of the ACA. And the reason it was so important
is I come from a major healthcare state, home of
the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley three, m Medtronic.
All of those understand healthcare. It's why we're ranked first

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on affordability and accessibility and quality of healthcare. And so
what I know is under Kamala Harris, more people are
covered than they have before. And those of you listening,
this is critical to you. Now, Donald Trump all of
a sudden wants to go back and remember this. He
ran on. The first thing he was going to do
on day one was to repeal Obamacare. On day one,

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he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA,
but lost at the Supreme Court. And he would have
repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage
of John McCain to save that bill. Now fast forward,
what that means to you is you lose your pre
existing conditions. If you're setting it home and you got asthma,

(32:46):
too bad. If you're a woman, probably not broke your
foot during football, might kick you out. Your kids get
kicked out when they're twenty six Kamala Hair negotiated drug
prices for the first time with Medicare. We have ten
drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll
be there. But look this issue, and when Donald Trump
said I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked

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me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids
would have never given me that. But what Senator Vance
just explained might be worse than a concept because what
he explained is pre Obamacare. And I'll make this as
simple as possible because I have done this for a
long time. What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why
should you be paying more? So what they're going to
do is let insurance companies pick who they insure because

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guess what happens. You pay your premium, it's not much.
They're figure they're not going to have to pay out
to you. But those of you a little older gray
got cancer, you're going to get kicked out of it.
That's why the system didn't work. Kamala Harris will protect
and enhance the ACA.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
Governor, thank you, Senator, you have not yet explained how
you would protect people with pre existing conditions or laid
out that plan.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in the
place in place right now that protect people with pre
existing conditions. We want to keep those regulars in place,
but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace
function a little bit better. Now, what Governor Walts just
said is actually not true. A lot of what happened,
and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own
weight is that a lot of young and healthy people

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were leaving the exchanges. Donald Trump actually helped address that problem,
and he did so in a way that preserved people's
access to coverage who had pre existing conditions. But again,
something that these guys do is they make a lot
of claims about if Donald Trump's becomes president, all of
these terrible consequences are going to ensue. But in reality,

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Donald Trump was president, inflation was low, tacom pay was higher,
and he saved the very program from a Democratic administration
that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.
He did his job, which is governed in a bipartisan
way and get results, not just complain about problems but
actually solve them.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
Governor did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up
under the Trump administration?

Speaker 9 (35:00):
It's higher now that We've seen it go up. Look,
people are using it. The system works. And the question
about this of young people whatever, that's the individual mandate
piece of this, and Republicans fought tooth and nail saying well,
Americans should be free to do this.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Well, then what happened to Mandate's a good idea?

Speaker 9 (35:14):
I'm sure. I think the idea of making sure the
risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone. That's the
only way insurance works. When it doesn't, it collapses. You
are asking pre ACA, where we get people out. Look,
people know that they need to be on healthcare. People
expect it to be there and when we are able
to make it, and we are making it this way,

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when we incentivize people to be in the market, when
we help people who might not be able to afford
it get there, and we make sure then when you
get sick and old, it's there for you. Because I
heard people say, well I don't want to buy into medicare. Whatever,
good luck buying healthcare once you get past seventy. So, look,
the ACA works, we can continue to do better. Kamala
Harris did that. The way she made everything better was

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negotiating those ten drugs on medicare for the first time
in American history.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
Thank you, Margaret, can I works.

Speaker 8 (36:03):
I apologize. We're out of time. We have a number
of subjects to discuss, Margaret.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Let's talk about families in America. There is a childcare
crisis in this country, and the United States is one
of the very few developed countries in the world without
a national.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Paid leave program for new parents.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Governor Walls, you said that if Democrats win both the
White House and Congress, this is a day one priority
for you. How long should employers be required to pay
workers while they are home taking care of their newborns?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
You have two minutes?

Speaker 9 (36:37):
Yeah, well that's negotiable, and that's what Congress works. But
here's what the deal is American setting out there right now.
You may work for a big company. Look, we're home
in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune five hundred companies.
Kamala Harris knows that, and are in California. Those companies
provide paid family medically. One is I think they're moral
and they think it's a good thing, but it also

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keeps their employees healthy. We in Minnesota past have paid
family medically. If you have a child, you and I
had to go back to work five days after my
kids were born. This allows you to stay home a
certain amount of time. What we know is that gets
the child off to a better start, The family works better,
we stay in their employers, We get more consistency in that.
So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We implemented

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in Minnesota and we see growth. That's how you become
a pro business state. But the negotiations on it, and
here's the issue. Those big companies are able to offer it.
Those of you out there who don't have it. Just
imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child
gets sick. We know what happens. You end up staying home.
In some cases that means no paycheck because you've got

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no protection on that. This is the case of an
economy that Donald Trump has said for the wealthiest amongst us.
He's willing to give those tax breaks to the wealthiest.
He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.
What we're saying is the economy works best when it
works for our all of us. And so a paid
family medical leaf program. And I will tell you go

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to the families, or go to the businesses and ask them.
As far as childcare, on this, you have to take
it at both the supply and the devan side. You
can't expect the most important people in our lives to
take either our children or our parents to get paid
the least amount of money. And we have to make
it easier for folks to be able to get into
that business and then to make sure that folks are

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able to pay for that. We were able to do
it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this. We
were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis
on this. A federal program of paid family medical leaf
and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families,
and make it easier to have the children that you want.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Governor, your time is a Senator. Do you support a
national paid leave program? And if so, for how long
should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they
are home taking care of their newborn?

Speaker 5 (38:52):
You have two minutes.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
Well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican
colleagues and some Democrats who have worked on this issue,
and I think there is a bipartisan solution here because
a lot of us care about this issue. I mean, look,
I speak from this very personally, because I'm married to
a beautiful woman who's an incredible mother to our three
beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator,
and I'm so proud of her. But being a working mom,

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even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife,
is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from a
policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family leave
because she worked for a bigger company. But the cultural
pressure on young families and especially young women, I think
makes it really hard for people to choose the family
model they want. A lot of young women would like

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to go back to work immediately, Some would like to
spend a little time home with the kids, some would
like to spend longer at home with the kids. We
should have a family care model that makes choice possible,
and I think this is a very important substance of
difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
I mean, look, if you look at the.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Federal programs that we have that support paid family leave
right now, the Community Development Block grant, and there's another
block grant program that spends a lot of money from
the federal government these programs only go to one kind
of childcare model. Let's say you'd like your church maybe
to help you out with childcare. Maybe you live in
a rural area or an urban area, and you'd like
to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide

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childcare in the way that makes the most sense. You
don't get access to any of these federal moneies. We
want to promote choice and how we deliver family care
and how we promote childcare, because look, it is unacceptable.
And of course sim and I have been on the
campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks,
and one of the biggest complaints I hear from young
families is people who feel like they don't have options,

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like they're choosing between going to work or.

Speaker 7 (40:39):
Taking care for their kids.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
That is an incredible burden to put on American families,
where the only country that does it. I think we
could do a heck of a lot better.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Senator thank you. You have also said, Senator Vance, many
things about the American family. The Federal Reserve says parents
will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do
on housing each month. So I want to get your
thoughts on this, President Trump recently said, as much as

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childcare has talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking,
not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers will
be taking in. Is President Trump committed to the five
thousand dollars per child tax credit that you have described.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
You have one minute.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to
defend my running mate here a little bit is that
we're going to be taking in a lot of money
by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas, and penalizing countries
who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back
into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan. Cut

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taxes for American workers and American families, cut taxes for
businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United
States of America, but penalized companies and countries that are
shipping jobs overseas. That's the heart of the economic proposal.
And I think what President Trump is saying is that
when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth,
we're going to be able to provide paid family leave,

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childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot
of American families.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?

Speaker 6 (42:18):
Well, because, as Tim said, a lot of the childcare
shortage is, we just don't have enough resources going into
the multiple people who could be providing family care options,
and we're going to have to Unfortunately, look, we're going
to have.

Speaker 7 (42:30):
To spend more money.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
We're going to have to induce more people to want
to provide childcare options for American families because the reason
it's so expensive right now is because you've got way
too few people providing this very essential service.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Thank you, Senator, Governor Walls. Your ticket also has some
childcare tax credit proposals. Do you think Congress will agree
to the six thousand dollars credit for newborns and three
thousand dollars credit for children over the age of six
as your campaign has promised. Is it realistic?

Speaker 9 (43:00):
Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody,
I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue.
Everybody listening tonight knows. I mean, I'm sure they were
shocked to hear it's not that expensive. And let's be clear,
whether it's five thousand or six thousand. That plays you
about three or four months. Let's be clear of where
we're at on this. It's because we got out of
an imbalance on this. We thought we were going to
get by by not paying people. I don't think center

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events are and I are that far apart. I'm not
a post what he's talking about. On options, We've done
scholarship types of things. I think we need to be
open to making the case. But the issue here is
the question you asked, is you're not going to pay
for it with these tariffs. That's just adding another four
thousand on the family and taking less. So not only
do they not get the money to pay for that,
they're four thousand dollars in the hole. That's Wharton School,

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that's his alma mater. And so I think the issue
here is if those members of Congress, I can't believe
they're not when I go to businesses. Sure they'll talk
about taxes sometime, but they will lead with childcare and
they will lead with housing because we know the problems,
especially in the state like Minnesota. We need more workers
because our economies grow, but we need the workforce.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Governor, thank you. We need to move on.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
Nora let's talk about the state of democracy, the top
issue for Americans after the economy and inflation. After the
twenty twenty election, President Trump's campaign and others filed sixty
two lawsuits contesting the results. Judges, including those appointed by
President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence

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and said there was no widespread fraud. The governors of
every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the
twenty twenty election results and sent a legal slate of
electors to Congress for January sixth. Senator Vance, you have
said you would not have certified the last presidential election

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and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.
That has been called unconstitutional and illegal. Would you again
seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every
governor certifies the results.

Speaker 5 (45:01):

Speaker 6 (45:03):
Well, Nora, First of all, I think that we're focused
on the future. We need to figure out how to
solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies. Make
housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
But I want to answer your question because you did
ask it.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Look what President Trump has said is that there were problems.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
In twenty twenty, and my own belief is.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
That we should fight about those issues, debate those issues
peacefully in the public square. And that's all I've said,
and that's all that Donald Trump has said. Remember he
said that on January the sixth, the protesters ought to
protest peacefully. And on January the twentieth, what happened. Joe
Biden became the president, Donald Trump left the White House,
and now, of course, unfortunately we have all of the

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negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration.
I believe that we actually do have a threat to
democracy in this country. But unfortunately, it's not the threat
to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Watz want to
talk about.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
It is the threat of censorship.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.
It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens. And it's
Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her
fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.
I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy
than anything that we've seen in this country in the

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last four years, in the last forty years now. I'm
really proud, especially given that I was raised by two
lifelong blue collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby
Kennedy Junior and Tulsea Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic Coalition.
Of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump
on every issue. We don't have to agree on every issue,
but we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle

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that we ought to debate our differences, we had to
argue about them, we ought to try to persuade our
fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an
industrial scale. She did it during COVID, She's done it
over a number of other issues, and that, to me,
is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald
Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest

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on January the sixth.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
Governor, Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there
was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to
miss speaking on things, and I think I might have
with the Senator, but at mayors one. There's one though
that this one is troubling to me. And I say
that because I think we need to tell the story.
Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, And the fact is
is that I don't think we can be the frog

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in the pot and let the boiling water go up.
He was very clear. I mean he lost this election,
and he said he didn't. One hundred and forty police
officers were beaten at the capitol that day, some with
the American flag. Several later died. And it wasn't just
in there. In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state
capitol grounds in Saint Paul and said we're marching to
the governor's residence and there may be casualties. The only

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person there was my son and his dog, who was
rushed out crying by state police that issue, and Mike
Pence standing there as they were chanting, Hang Mike Pence.
Mike Pence made the right decision. So Senator, it was
adjudicated over and over and over. I worked with kids
long enough to know, and I said, as a football coach,
sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is

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bigger than winning an election. You shake hands and then
you try and do everything you can to help the
other side win. That's what was at stake here. Now,
the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that
imprisoning your political opponents already laying the groundwork for people
not accepting this, and a president's words matter. A president's

(48:30):
words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue
of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands
when we lose, being honest about it, But to deny
what happened on January sixth, the first time in American
history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a

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fair election and the peaceful transfer of power, And here
we are four years later in the same boat. I
will tell you this that when this is over, we
need to shake hands this election and the winner needs
to be the winner. This has got to stop. It's
tearing our country apart.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Margaret Cenator advance, did you want to respond to that?

Speaker 9 (49:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (49:10):
Well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for
democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique
threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on
January the twentieth, as we have done for two hundred
and fifty years in this country. We are going to
shake hands after this debate and after this election, and
of course I hope that we win, and I think

(49:31):
we're going to win. But if Tim Wallas is the
next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my
best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.
But we have to remember that for years in this country,
Democrats protest to the results of elections. Hillary Clinton in
twenty sixteen said that Donald Trump had the election stolen
by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like five hundred

(49:52):
thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads. This has been going
on for a long time. And if we want to
say that we need to respect the results of the election,
I'm on board. But if we want to say, as
Tim Wats is saying, that this is just a problem
that Republicans have had, I don't buy.

Speaker 9 (50:06):
That January sixth was not Facebook ads, and I think
of revisionist history on this look. I don't understand how
we got to this point, but the issue was that happened.
Donald Trump can do it, and all of us say
there's no place for this. It has massive repercussions. This
idea that their censorship to stop people from doing threatening

(50:29):
to kill someone, threatening to do something that's not censorship.
Censorship is book banning. We've seen that, We've seen that
brought up. I just think for everyone tonight, and I'm
going to thank Senator Vans. I think this is the
conversation they want to hear, and I think there's a
lot of agreement. This is one that we are miles
apart on. This was a threat to our democracy in

(50:50):
a way that we had not seen, and it manifested
itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say he is
still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just
ask that did he lose twenty twenty election?

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
twenty twenty COVID situation?

Speaker 9 (51:10):
That is a damning non answer.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
It's a damning non answer for you to not talk
about censorship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there
were problems in twenty twenty. We've talked about it. I'm
happy to talk about it further. But you guys attack
us for not believing in democracy, the most sacred right
under the United States. Democracy is the first Amendment. You
yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation.

(51:34):
Kamala Harris wants to thread how I speak, Government and
big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. That
is the threat to democracy that will long outlive this
present political moment. I would like Democrats and Republicans to
both reject censorship.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Let's persuade one.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Another, Let's argue about ideas, and then let's come together afterwards.

Speaker 9 (51:53):
You can't yell fire in a crowded theaters. That's the test,
that's the Supreme Court test.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
Tim fire in a crowded theater.

Speaker 6 (51:59):
You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for
saying that Toddler shouldn't the floor.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Fire in a crowded theater.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is
the right of every American center.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
The governor does have the floor for one minute to
respond to you.

Speaker 9 (52:14):
Yeah, well, I don't run Facebook. What I do know
is I see a candidate out there who refused and
now again and this. I'm pretty shocked by this. He
lost the election. This is not a debate, It's not
anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world. Because look,
when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election.

(52:37):
That's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage. What I'm
concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump?
Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything,
including taking an election, and his vice president's not going
to stand to it. That's what we're asking you, America.
Will you stand up? Will you keep your both of

(53:00):
office even if the president doesn't. And I think Kamala
Harris would agree. She wouldn't have picked me if she
didn't think I would do that, because of course that's
what we would do. So America, I think you've got
a really clear choice on this election of who's going
to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Governor.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Your time is up, Thank you, gentlemen. We will be
right back with both of our candidates. The CBS News
Vice Presidential Debate continues.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
You're listening to the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate on
KFI am six forty. We'll have the candidates closing arguments
on the other side of this break.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
KFI AM six forty.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
This is the CBS News vice presidential debate on KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Let's get to the closing state.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
That's from Minnesota Governor Tim Wallas and Ohio Senators JD.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
Vance. Thank you to all of you if you're still up,
and the folks who miss dancing with their stars, I
appreciate it, but look, the support of the democracy matters.
It matters that you're here. And I'm as surprised as
anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from
Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift and a
whole bunch of folks in between there. And they don't

(54:24):
all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.
They believe in a positive future of this country and
one where our politics can be better than it is.
And I have to tell you that better than it
is is the sense of optimism that there can be
an opportunity economy that works for everyone, not just to

(54:44):
get by, but to get ahead. And the idea that
freedom really means something, not the freedom of government to
be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom
for you to make choices about yourself. Now, look, we
all know who Donald Trump is. He's told us and
as Maya Angelos said, believe when he told you that
his first inaugural dress talked about American carnage, and then

(55:04):
he sport spent four years trying to maybe do that.
Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with
Donald Trump's agenda. He will continue to push down that road.
Excuse me, Kamala Harris gives us a different option. Now,
I'll have to tell you. I'm going to be careful
about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said
that does resonate with me. He said, Donald Trump makes

(55:27):
the people I care about afraid. A lot of America
feels that way. We don't need to be afraid. Franklin
Roosevelt was right. Alls we have to fear is fear itself.
Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward. She's
bringing us a politics of joy, She's bringing real solutions
for the middle class, and she's centering you at the
heart of that, all the while asking everyone join this movement,

(55:50):
make your voices heard. Let's look for a new day
where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance
to thrive. I humbly ask for your vote on no
for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Governor Walls, thank you, Senator Vance. Your closing statement, well,
I want to thank.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
Governor Waltz, you folks at CBS, and of course the
American people for tuning in this evening.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
And one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
And I remember when I was being raised by my
grandmother when she didn't have enough money to turn on
the heat some nights, because Ohio gets pretty cold at night,
and because money was often very tight. And I believe,
as a person who wants to be your next vice president,
that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where
every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be
able to.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
Turn on their heat in the middle of a cold
winter night.

Speaker 6 (56:35):
That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
I believe that, whether you're rich or poor, you ought
to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. I believe
that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be
able to afford to buy a house.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl,
and that too, has gotten harder with because of.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Kamala Harris's policies.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what
Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people
and says that on day one, she's going to work
on all these challenges I just listed. She's been the
vice president for three and a half years. Day one
was fourteen hundred days ago, and her policies have made
these problems worse. Now, I believe that we have the

(57:21):
most beautiful country in the world. I meet people on
the campaign trail who can't afford food but have the
grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and
to tell me their praying for my family. What that
has taught me is that we have the greatest country,
the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in
the world. But they're not going to be able to

(57:41):
achieve they're full dreams with the broken leadership that we
have in Washington. They're not going to be able to
live their American dream If we do the same thing
that we've been doing for the last three and a
half years. We need change, We need a new direction.
We need a president who has already done this once before.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
And did it well.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Please vote for Donald Trump, and whether you vote for
me or vote for Tim Wallace, I just want to
say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm
written for you.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
God bless you, and good night Center Vance, thank you,
and thank you both for participating in the only vice
presidential debate of this election cycle.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
I'm Margaret Brennan and.

Speaker 8 (58:18):
I'm Nora O'Donnell, And a reminder, there are just thirty
five days until election day. Please get out and vote,
and for all of us here at CBS News, thank
you and good night KAF.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I am six forty years later with mo Kelly as
we take over and pick up our coverage of that
vice presidential debate and arguably most likely it's the last,
i'll say debate between the candidacies, either presidential or vice presidential.
And here's just some thoughts I had off the top.

(58:50):
That debate was surprisingly tame and dare I say normal,
I mean normal in you know what we used to
think of normal normally in a twenty sixteen cents it
wasn't full of name calling, wasn't full of insults. They
weren't like mocking glairs and ridiculous quips about immigrants eating

(59:12):
cats and dogs.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
It was none of that. It was virtually no snark.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
They acknowledged when they agreed with each other, they highlighted
how they disagreed with each other. It was respectful. Hell,
it was damn near downright. Sybil didn't see that coming.
It was actually, for me, reminiscent of the competition or
marketplace of ideas of yesteryear. Now, don't get me wrong,

(59:39):
it doesn't mean that we have now gone back to that.
I'm saying this debate on this evening seemed like we
went back to that time for an hour and a half.
But here's something else. Did it change anybody's mind? Think

(59:59):
about that for a moment. Did it change your mind? No,
and I don't think it changed anybody's mind. I'm not
gonna lie to you, and I don't want you to
lie to me, because I don't believe in the existence
of this supposed undecided voter. We got what thirty six
days until the election? Come on, now, anyone really undecided?

(01:00:20):
I mean, I don't believe in that person actually existing.
I mean, I believe in UFOs, I believe in ghosts,
I believe in Santa Claus send it to the theory.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Yep, still do. But I don't believe in the undecided voter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Because the undecided voter has actually decided, they just don't
want to say publicly that they've decided. Maybe they're ashamed
of who they're actually going to vote for and they're
going to hide it and then lie after they come
out of the voting booth. I don't know, but I
don't believe that there's a sitting on some imaginary fence
where the wind could blow that voter one side or

(01:00:53):
to the other side, and tonight could have been that
wind which will blown them to one side or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
No, let's not kid ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
But I was taking copious notes of the expansive topics
that they managed to cover, and if there's anything positive
which can be said about the debate itself, and I'm
not going to get too bogged down in the policy
ideas because there's only so deep you can go. And

(01:01:23):
the fact check is going to be tomorrow, and none
of y'all care about the fact check, So it's about
presentation and style for the most part. But here are
the topics that they did manage to cover. They talked
about the Iran strike today and how that relates to
Middle East foreign policy, because let's not forget these vice
presidential candidates presumably presumably could become president in any given circumstance.

(01:01:51):
Hurricane Helene talked about that with respect to climate change
and energy production. There was the Pitonyl crisis, which was
i'll say dovetailed into immigration reform, and I think that
was Senator Vance's strongest moment on the night.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
I'll come back to that as far as his overall performance.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
They got into inflation with respect to the larger economics picture.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Of course, there was the Roe v.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Wade overturned during the Trump administration and what that means
for reproductive rights legislation in the next presidential administration, whether
it be Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. They even got
into the parents of the school shooter convicted of involuntary
manslaughter and used that as a jumping off point for
gun control slash gun rights.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
And it was very tame.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
It was very respectful that they didn't get into the
hyperbole that we were accustomed to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Seeing and hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
They also got into use of federal land and how
that might be used in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Of course, they hit the normal stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
When I say the normal stuff, the stuff that you
always hear about, like healthcare. And they got into the
concepts of the plan that Donald Trump had talked talked
about in the presidential debate. And I noticed that jd
Vance didn't really answer that particular question, but he was
very adept at how he didn't answer that question paid

(01:03:21):
leave families in America the child tax credit, and that
also referred back to a previous answer that Donald Trump
had made about the child tax credit or the costs
of childcare more broadly. Now, I believe Tim Walls's strongest
moment was near the end where they were talking about

(01:03:44):
the fighting the twenty twenty election results. Again, if you
saw this debate, it looked very different from if you
just heard the debate. If you saw the debate, I
think you saw visually a very disciplined and practiced and
I mean this in a complimentary sense. Disciplined and practiced

(01:04:07):
jd Vance looking at the camera talking to America, very composed,
very reason and the pacing of his answers you could
tell that he is a very skilled debater. Say what
you want about the content of his answers, but he
was very skilled in his oral presentation, and I thought

(01:04:28):
for the better part of the night, Tim Walls was
not as smooth, but he's never been a smooth talker
in that regard, so it comes down to styles and preferences.
But the one time I thought Tim Walls did come
alive and the visuals helped him was in the near
the end where they were talking about fighting the twenty
twenty election results, and Tim Walls, I think was off

(01:04:50):
the slogans off off I'll say the teleprompter answers in
the sense of the practicing, because all of these answers
are prefabricated for the most part, and was just talking
and responding, and I think that answer from him resonated
more than his other answers. But let's draw back in
a few minutes before we go to break the whole

(01:05:11):
idea of a vice presidential debate and its important or
lack thereof. Let's look back in history, because I was
thinking about this during the debate. Did Sarah Palin swing
the election for Barack Obama?

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
She had an impact. I don't know how much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I tend to think that Barack Obama's candidacy and the
coalition that he built and the enthusiasm meant more than
Sarah Palin.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I mean, she mattered, But I don't know how much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Did Joe Biden win that election in two thousand and
eight for Barack Obama?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
No, did Paul Ryan lose it for Mitt Romney in
twenty twelve?

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Did Joe Biden again win it for Obama in twenty twelve?

Speaker 9 (01:05:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Did Tim Kaine lose the election for Hillary Clinton?

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Pretty sure Hillary lost that all by herself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Or did Mike Pince become the reason that Donald Trump
won in twenty sixteen. I don't think anyone would would
say that, right. I mean, he was just there. And
I was talking about this with t Wallas, Like the
vice presidential candidate, especially in a debate, is just do
no harm, don't do anything which could torpedo the candidacy

(01:06:31):
or the person at the top of the ticket. And
we may remember bits and pieces of the vice presidential debate,
but I don't know, other than maybe Lloyd Benson and
his quip you know you're no Jack Kennedy, I don't
know of any real major vice president presidential excuse me,
vice presidential debate moments which mattered when it came down

(01:06:53):
to presidential politics. I mean, even more recently, was Vice
President Pence the negative weight which through the election to
Joe Biden. Did Kamala Harris win it for Joe Biden
back in twenty twenty, I don't think so, because people
were much more concerned with Donald Trump, either voting for

(01:07:14):
him or voting against him. Because just from my personal
review thinking about this the past hour and a half,
in every previous instance, I would argue, I would say
the VP probably did not swing any election. And I
don't think in this instance either JD. Vans or Tim
Walls will be the difference maker. People are voting for

(01:07:34):
or against Donald Trump. People are voting for or against
Kamala Harris. And I'm not disregarding the news cycle importance
of certain topics and remarks such as Haitian immigrants, immigrants
eating cats and dogs. I'm not disregarding that. I'm saying
that's not going to be the election decider. It's going

(01:07:55):
to be Donald Trump or it's going to be Kamala Harris.
As far as the motivating force behind people's votes. Yes,
the VP is the proverbial heart beat away. But this election,
this is I would say, this is twenty twenty part two,
where if you didn't like Donald Trump in twenty twenty,

(01:08:16):
you damn sure not gonna like him in twenty twenty four,
and you're gonna vote accordingly. And if you love Donald
Trump in twenty twenty, you damn sure most likely going
to vote for him in twenty twenty four. How that's
gonna play out on election Day is anybody's guests. But
I'm inclined to believe that it won't be about Tim Walls,

(01:08:37):
and it won't be about JD.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Vance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
And always I'm always asked who won the debate? Who
won the debate? And I hate giving the same answer,
but the same answer is applicable every single time. It's
relative to who gains after the debate, and tomorrow we'll
know who got the bump in polling. Well there's probably
your winner. Who got the fundraising bump, Well there's probably

(01:09:04):
your winner. And I was, yeah, I was talking to
to all of we were going back and forth during
the debate. There wasn't a lot of material in this
debate for SNL to work with. Unlike this last Saturday,
they had all sorts of material. This one there wasn't
a lot, And for me that's good. That meant that
we were kind of getting some sense of normality with

(01:09:27):
these debates. There won't be a lot of juicy YouTube clips.
But the good news is a policy debate is usually
pretty boring. They're not meant to be television spectaculars. It's
only in recent years that we've come to think of
them as that because politics has turned into a blood sport.
Politics has turned into something which is more theatrical and

(01:09:52):
less about actual policy. But stylistically, I think jd Vance
did very well, very well as far as how he
comported himself, how he gave a reasoned and measured argument
to what he was trying to portray as the Republican message.

(01:10:12):
The fact checkers will probably find a lot of things
wrong with what he said, and it's not for me
to say. I'm just telling you there's some things that
were really problematic in what he said, But most people
are not looking for the specifics, they're looking for the
style in a debate. Watching it, Tim Walls, he doesn't
come across well or as well as.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I think people would hope on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
His facial expressions, some of his mannerisms and idio secrecies
don't do well in a debate like this, and you'll
probably hear about that as far as the analysis or
whatever is going on in the spin room.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
But that's what I think about today's VP debate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Tomorrow you'll see whoever it gets the better end of
the polling and also the fundraising. Well, there will be
your winner. It's later with Mo Kelly k if I
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