October 30, 2024 • 35 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A conversation with Rick & Marty Lagina, the hosts of the popular History Channel series ‘The Curse of Oak Island,’ which follows the brother’s quest on the south shore of Nova Scotia to “solve the 225-Year-Oak Island Mystery and find one of the greatest treasures of all time all while avoiding the legendary curse of the island” … PLUS – A look at whether or not the 2025 slate of Superhero film releases can put an end to the alleged “Super Burnout” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
There is an island in the North Atlantic where men
have been looking for treasure for more than two hundred years.
So far, they have uncovered booby trapped flood tunnels, carved
stones with strange symbols, seventeenth century Spanish coins, and evidence
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of a wooden vault covered in concrete. Six men have
even lost their lives trying to solve the mystery, and
according to legend, one more will have to die before
the treasure.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Kennedy found.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Kim sixty. It's Later with Mo Kelly. We are live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. The History Channels hit series
The Curse of Oak Island, premiering its twelfth season on
November twelfth at nine pm, follows brothers Rick and Marty Lagina,
who used the latest technology in an effort to solve
one of the world's greatest mysteries and the treasure hunting
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brothers of Rick and Marty join me right now on
the show. Rick, Marty, thank you both for coming on today.
How are you, gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
We're doing well most Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Rick.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Let me start with you Treasure hunting, I need not
tell you as expensive, it can be physically dangerous.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It often yields little or nothing in return.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It probably seemed like a great idea back when you
were a kid reading that reader's digest, But what about
the reality as an adult?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Why do it at all?
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Well, you know, there's there's many reasons. One is, certainly,
I get to do this with my brother and my
two nephews. I mean, for me, that's everything. Family is
important to us, right, and we get to do something
that you know, who amongst us, as you know, children
or even into young adulthood, isn't fascinated by the concept
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the idea of treasure. I mean, that's just that's just
a remarkable thing to appreciate that one day you might
be able to actually do such a thing. So on
that level alone, it's interesting. But you're right, is that
a roller coaster ride?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Not every day is do you pull you know, treasure
out of the girl? Not every day are you do
you say to yourself, well, today was worth it, and
there are some days when it's not worth it. You
are absolutely correct. But overall, this is a world class
treasure hunt, a world class mystery, and I am exceedingly
grateful to be a part of it and really appreciate
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that the world literally has been captivated by it. So
on many levels, this is well worth doing.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Marty.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I know that, and you know that technology is arguably
better than ever and more suited for what you do
than ever. But how has technology made what you do
both easier and more focused?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
You know what the truth is, I've been disappointed. We
have run drown penetrating radar, We've run magnetometers with drones,
We've thrown everything at it, even mwon technology and something
about call it the curse or call it the geology
of Oak Island has made that stuff unreliable. We have
not Our best results have been researching and digging. That's
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what our best results have been. And I thought bringing
technology to bear would solve this thing in a year
or two. Well here we are year twelve. But it's
still the discoveries keep coming and we're still you know,
excited to continue.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Rick.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Maybe this is going to be the answer through what
Marty just said.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I get the mystery of Oak Island, but what exactly
has been the curse?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Or is the curse, well, the curse according to history
or the historical narrative is that the original umbr Oaks
must die and seven people must die in pursuit of
the treasure. Currently, six people have tragically passed actively engaged
in the search for answers, and all of the oaks,
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the old Oaks, are are gone. That's historical narrative. I mean,
you know, we tried to track that backwards through time.
Unfortunately has been lost in the fog of time, so
we don't really know. But we do know this that
there are some we all have experienced some strange things
on this island, paranormal things, things we can't explain, and
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it has quote unquote haunted just about everyone's efforts from
the past. How to explain that in a logical, science
based way not completely explainable. So there's something strange about
this island. Don't know exactly what, Marty.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
We know that something may be strange about the island,
and we know that they're good days and bad days,
more fruitful days and less fruitful days when you're digging
and searching. But do you ever get big picture, the
idea that you satisfied your curiosity, You've come to a
conclusion that there may not be this big find we've
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exhausted all our resources, we've covered every portion of this terrain,
and maybe it might be time to go home. Do
you know if there is that specific.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Moment, oh that has happened many times, you know, you
get discouraged and think, oh, man, bloody hell, you know
this is just isn't going well. But then but I'll
tell you what has happened every year, and this year
is no exception. Is this island almost like it has
sort of a sort of personality offers up something that
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makes you say, oh, this could lead us right to
where we need to go, and this makes it all
look very real. And this year those that same thing happened.
But yes, I've been discouraged, talk about throwing in the towel.
But you know, the islandist, you know, hooks you in
with something else.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I'm quite sure Rick that you've learned plenty about Oak Island.
I'm quite sure you've learned a lot about the history
of Oak Island. But I also suspect that Oak Island
has taught you something about yourself, or taught yourself the
meaning or the value of things. What have you learned
about yourself or collectively about yourselves in this endeavor.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
I've certainly learned about, whether it's the passing of time
i e. My age, or or the pursuit of answers here,
but it has taught me patience. And I think we
in the modern era we see time in it from
a different perspective than it was seen long, long, long ago,
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and I think that's valuable lesson to learn from history.
But the thing that has really been quite inspirational to me,
and I think to all of us, is that the
kindness and the support of people we don't know, people
who have come to really appreciate this mystery. They have
been inspirational to us. And look, in a world that
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is somewhat divisive and difficult, when you can rally round
to the greater good, I think that's an important lesson
to learn. That each and every person on this planet
is valuable and important. And I think that's what I've
learned through the teamwork expressed here on the island. This experience,
again has been inspirational to me and to all of us,
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I think, and that's an important thing to value and
have gratitude for.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Here's what I've learned about myself. I'm not as smart
as I thought I was, that's what I've learned.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
All right, let me tweet that question just a bit,
and I want an answer from both of you, if possible,
Rick and Marty as I close out my conversation, You've
learned something about yourselves. You've obviously learned something about the eye.
But as brothers, how has this either changed, improved, or
impacted your relationship?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Just as siblings? Marty, did you want to go first?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
No, but I will. You know what, it's been a
rollercoaster with that too. Rick and I went different ways,
you know, when we grew up, and we are very
alike at our core, but very different in many ways.
And how we think. I mean, I'm I'm a lot
more mercenary. I mean, the producer of the show said,
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and he was a very good student of human nature.
He said, you know, Marty, you're the man of science
and Rick is the man of faith. And that was,
you know, too easy, but it kind of sums it up.
And we've had some rocky moments. You know, we're brothers.
We fight once in a while. If we didn't, they'd
be abnormal. And some of this Oak Island stuff, when
it's wearying, has caused us to fight a little bit,
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but overall we're rock solid and trying to put this
thing to bed, figure it out, put some treasure up
on the on the ground, and figure out a great mystery.
We're still there.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Life to me is about perspective, and I think the
real treasure, one of the real treasures I have learned,
is to you know, you learn things about we learn
things about each other, and how important it is to
value that. I mean, my brother has approached this just
from a treasure hunting perspective. Marty has taught me that.
You know, he says it to me all the time.
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You know, yes, he can believe and have faith and hope,
but you also need the application of logic and cold
hard facts and science. So seeing his perspective through his
eyes has been a great learning experience for me, and
I really really appreciate it. And you know, when your
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family being brothers, it's that much more important to learn
from each other because you experience the same things and
yet have a different perspective of the outcome. And I
value that tremendously. I think it's been really important and
in the maturation of of myself, of who I am
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and who hopefully I will become Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Time we argue, I want you to remember that I'm right.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
I'm going to take that into perspective.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Okay, I didn't want to start a thinking between the brothers.
The History Channels hit series The Curse of Oak Island
premiering it's twelfth season on November twelfth at nine pm.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Do not miss it. Rick, Marty Lagina, thank you so
much for coming on this evening.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Thank you, moo appreciate it, can't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I am six forty Live everywhere, the iHeartRadio app you're.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI
AM six forty, And.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm really really starting to have a problem with variety.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Variety usually comes out with these lists of the top
one hundred movies of horror or.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You know, of all time, and we laugh.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
At it, we ridicule it, we realize that, okay, variety
is just not serious. And I came across this other
article which poses the idea it's a it's a theme
that we've heard before, but it's factually untrue. Well, they
talked about here's the title to the to the story
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super burnout with most superhero movies flopping.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Not true? Right there, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Can Marvel and DC's twenty twenty five slates reverse an
unprecedented box office drought. When you say Marvel and DC,
DC is referring to the DC Universe of movies, which
is being produced by Warner Brothers and so forth. When
you say Marvel to the uninitiated, you don't know if
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you're talking about Marvel as in Sony Marvel Universe or MCU,
which is Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is movies which are
produced by Marvel Productions. They're not the same thing. The
movies which have failed. It's not because of superhero burnout.
If you see a movie like Madam Webb, it failed
because it's horrible. It's not because it's a quote unquote
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superhero movie and people are tired of superhero movies. The
number two movie of all twenty twenty four was Deadpool
and Wolverine. It had nothing to do with it being
a quote unquote superhero movie. It just had to do
with it being a great freakin movie. Was very funny,
and it gave us all the things that we wanted
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in a good movie, and oh, yet has some superheroes
in it. That's the fallacy. But when you keep telling
this lie that people are tired of superhero movies, it's
almost like saying you get eight or nine movies which
underperform which your action or happen to be rom coms.
People aren't getting tired of rom coms. People are not
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getting tired of action movies. Those are just bad movies.
And to then make the argument that superhero movies are
somehow are this love diminishing returns. The more superhero movies
we get, the few which are actually successful, denies the
reality that there were just some bad movies. And you
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have companies like Sony putting out garbage, trying to hold
onto Marvel's coattails because Marvel, as in Marvel Cinematic Universe,
Marvel Productions, had a host of movies in a run
of maybe ten years of really good movies. They were
just putting out garbage because people were accustomed seeing really
good movies.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
That's like saying Tauwala is sick of Mexican food, when
really he just doesn't want any more of the place
that hosed him off that one time. The same token,
I don't want any more eternals. Okay, yeah, but I
mean beyond the Eternals Dig, which wasn't that bad. You
watch it again, It's not that bad, well after you
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wake up and finish it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
But the issue at hand is, if you really look
at this year's box office, the only big box office
numbers came in by way of superhero films. Even The Joker,
which as as widely panned as that was, has still
just crossed the point of making all of its money back.
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That is, and this is a movie that is horrible.
You can't say that about a lot of films. Never
would I go and see Venom two. Venom two still
made a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Are we keeping the box offices open?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Are we going to complain about superhero films that I'm
tired of seeing them?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Which one do you want? On theatre's close? Let's give
some more facts. Twenty twenty three. Just last year, the
number one, excuse me, the number three movie across all
box office was Spider Man Across the Spider Verse. Not
only was that critically acclaimed, I think it even the
Academy Award nominated. It was the number three movie domestically.
The number four movie last year was Guardians of the
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Galaxy Volume three. The number eight movie was ant Man
in the Wasp Quantum Mania. Did these movies underperform, Yes,
but that's relative to previous expectations. They did not flop.
They did not somehow bring down the overall box office
to to Wallace point. If anything, they kept more movie
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theaters in business than they did harm.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
I mean six hundred plus million for ant Man and
the Wasp. Quantum may not believe it actually probably topped
out of more than that. That can't be a flop.
When you're saying that movies like these rom coms that
are coming out making eighteen million, you know, across the
totality of them, you can't have flops being an equal
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category with those moneies or with those dollars signs No,
hell no. This type of felonious reporting pisses me off.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
It's it's so dishonest because a person who actually like
superhero movies knows these distinctions and they're huge. If you
think that the genre is suffering, then you haven't been
paying attention to the fact that Marvel Studios only came
out with one movie in twenty twenty four, and that
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was Deadpool and Wolverine, and.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
It was about time they cut down though, because they
were having some quality control issues. I mean, we all
suffered through the Marvels, right, yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
They were being judged to get them against themselves exactly
the Marvels. As the movie didn't lose money, it's still
I think made like three hundred million or something. We're
judging superhero movies against superhero movies, not against the movie industry.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Right.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
But if you get people thinking, boy, I sure hope
we're gonna get another Captain America and the Winter Soldier
and then they get Marvels, Eternals, et cetera, all in
a row, eventually they're gonna stop showing up.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Okay, let's go further with that point.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Is that because of superhero movie for them or mediocre movies,
it's from bad movie mediocre fatigue. So it's not then
a fatigue of the genres, like, oh not another movie
from this genre. I'm just tired of Why is it
they can't do more gangster movies, you know, with Martin
Scorsexy or Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Now, now you know what you remind me of when
you talk about this is all the focus groups that
I had to endure during my print newspaper career. They
keep on missing the point. Don't do focus groups. People
don't know what they want. If you give them something good,
they're gonna want that that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yes, yes, it has nothing to do with Look, if
you have ten more superhero movies, if there were superhero
movie fatigue, then those movies would not do well period
because of superhero movie fatigue.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It doesn't matter how good of a movie that you
give me. I'm tired of that genre.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
But I wonder if people are getting a little bit
gunshy because look at what's on the slate coming up, Like,
who's gonna go see Craven?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Honestly, but you know what, that goes into the bad
movie category.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It's a flawed premise because you're taking, Look, let's not
insult nerds. Nerds know that Craven is from a universe,
and that universe's titulalle character is not even gonna be
in it.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's almost like you have a Frankenstein movie. It's starring
I Gore or Igor and you don't have the actual
Frankenstein in it.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Who the hell wants to see that? Oh you're saying
that because Terry Garpe. Yeah, yeah, we're going.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
To get to that as well. But yeah, but I'm saying,
you know, you can't have a portion of that universe.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You can't have.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
All the co stars and not the actual star. You
can't have all these Batman movies and never Batman.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
I think my point was that Marvel had such a
stellar record for such a long time, and then when
it became hit and miss, it's like You're gonna go
see everything they put out, but then you realize, oh no,
I'm not gonna go see every single thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But see, that's not true, because people do.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
They put out ant Man in the Wasp Quantumnia, they
put out Spider Man No Way Home, and they put
out Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three in the same year.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's not hit and miss.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Those are two humongous hits, and ant Man of the
Wilds was subpart. And even Kevin Figing in a return said, yeah,
this one wasn't absolutely missing. Here are the reasons why
no one was on set supervising this. This doesn't stick
to the story. They missed the whole point. Even they
are self aware within the company. It's not hit and
missed when you have two really really big films that
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dominate all of film a box office history.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
If that way, if you're tired of superhero movies in
twenty twenty three, you're not going to get a hit
from that same genre in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
That's what I'm saying. It's a contradiction. Sure, Sure, you
mentioned Guardians of the Galaxy three. I was so looking
forward to Adam Warlock finally being in a movie. I
thought they kind of fumbled that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, I think they did too, But that has to
do with a movie not being as good as it
should be, not I'm an overall fatigue or a sense
that the genre has nothing more to offer.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
And again, like those are our minor quibbles when you
consider what's being argued, and this is like we can
all get in. Every nerd goes into a film with
their own expectations, and lots of times that's on us,
you know, our expectations not being met. We're not in
the writer's room, we have no idea. But when you
look at these stories and when you look at how
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this genre transcends the entire industry, and this genre it
influences action movies as well, because you're not having your
film top Gun two you're not having a top Gun
two being made trying to compete with a Marvel or
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DC film.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Oh, I thought we got to go to break because
we're really over and Mark has something else to say.
I'm sure that it's probably going to infuriate everyone. I
want to make sure that we have an opportunity to
rebut him and beat him down rhetorically verbally. It's Later
with Mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty, were live what
Mark Everywhere everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Just to put a pin on what we were saying
last segment. I know superhero movies get a lot of hate.
I'm quite sure if someone's listening right now is like,
I don't care about superhero movies. Yes, you do, because
you care about movies. You care about movie theaters, and
if it weren't for superhero movies, your favorite movie theater
down the street probably would already be closed.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
If it wasn't for Deadpool and Wolverine this particular year,
dozens of theaters would have already closed. Now they may
close six months from now, but Deadpool and Wolverine just
by itself kept a lot of people in business. There
are Marvel movies which are coming in twenty twenty five,
which you're going to keep these mom and pop movie
theaters in business.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's why it's so important.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
We talked yesterday about Governor News of how he wants
to keep movie productions here in California. Well, you better
hope that some of them are superhero movies because they're
going to employ a lot of people and keep a
lot of movie theaters in business.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's why it's important. Now, as you were saying, Mark,
you are so wrong.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Well, no, it's almost as if you're implying that Killers
of the Flower, Moonpie or something isn't enough to keep
theaters in business. Is that what you're daring to suggest
that's one of the movies which will have absolutely no
impact on the business. Yes, correct, Now, you're right. It's
puzzling the decisions that are made though that we mere
mortals and civilians aren't privy too. Like they canceled the
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Blade movie with maherschel a Ali. We don't know why
they did that. I hope that the reason for that
is because they like Wesley Snipes in dead Pool and Wolverine,
and they want to go back to him. They're going
to make another Fantastic Four movie after they've all already
had two attempts at that and they were just god awful.
And we like all the people in the new one.
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We like Pedro Pascal and who's the actress from Mission Impossible. Yes,
I mean we'd watch her reading the ingredients on a
tube of hemorrhoid cream. But I'm not sure they are
the right people to play those characters, Mister Fantastic and
the Invisible Woman. So I think it's a crapshoot coming up,
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is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
It may be a crapshoot, but if anything, the faithful
nerds are going to be there. That Marvel Fantastic Four,
which is different from the Sony Fantastic Fantastic Foo fantast
Fox using the Fox Fantastic four is not going to
be received the same way. That Marvel Fantastic four movie
is not going to fail. Could it possibly underperform, Yeah, definitely,
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But we're looking at it through a Marvel lens. We're
looking at it through Marvel Movies, which made up to
two billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
It's being judged against itself.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You have these movies like Doom, which will make four
or five hundred million, but it still will be financially
a failure and it's not enough to sustain the industry
because no one else is making movies of that ilk
or genre.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
I mean the Mad Max Furiosa film. As beautiful as
that film was and as much as I enjoyed watching it,
that film wasn't expensive by all accounts, Doud, because it's
so grossly underperformed.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
The failure of that got a lot of people's attention. Yeah,
which is tough.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
That's a big budget art piece, and they try to
blend in some stuff for those of us who want
to relive our Mad Max glory days.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But no, every one of.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Us is gonna go and see the Fantastic Four by Marvel,
which point to be made. When Marvel brought over the Hulk,
it won. When Marvel brought over Spider Man, he won,
just gotta say. But they bring over Fantastic Four, it'll win.
Will it not meet our expectations? Yeah, I'm sure there's
gonna be someone who's gonna be like, there's a woman
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in that.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Why?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Here's the takeaway.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
If you are rooting or Hollywood to continue to make
money in California, in a business sense, you should be
rooting for superhero movies. If you are rooting for the
movie industry and movie theaters to do well, you should
be rooting for superhero movies because those are the movies
which make the most money for the most people and
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the most theaters around the country. So if you're rooting
against superhero movies, you're rooting against California, You're rooting against
the industry, and you're rooting against movie theaters. You hate America, Well,
that's what I'm saying. You know, it's like you people
may think, well I hate that movie. Well, you know what,
that movie's keeping your ass in business.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
I want to disagree with you, because it's boring when
we disagree, But you're right, and we can bicker about
the smaller points, like their plans for the silver Surfer
being Julia Garner. I think I'm not for that at all.
I want the old norn rad male silver Surfer, that's
the one we grew up with. But you know, it's
their game to lose at this point.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, And I know as someone who's really been following
this as closely as you have. I know what's coming
for Marvel. They have some straight bangers, as they say coming.
There are some huge projects with big names. We know
Robert Downey Jr. Is coming back as Doctor dooman some
form or fashion or capacity. We know that there are
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some huge, huge tent pole movies which are going to
be in the two billion dollar revenue range, which is
going to save a lot of movie theaters. It's going
to prevent a lot of folks from going out of
business prematurely. If you're not rooting for superhero movies, you
are rooting against yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Pack them in there. Touch and degree, we have to touch.
Oh it's a phrase, no real touching. Please, we know,
we know.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
In fact, when we come back, you have to talk
about your costumes and tomorrow and how that's going to
work out. I have a trainee, I can't what if
never mind, it's late with mo Kelly. We'll catch up
with George. I am six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. And and before we go to the news break, Brashita,
let me just ask you very quickly, how is Mark
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Runner as a KFI instructor.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
He's actually really awesome. You're not supposed to say that
you don't know this show very well to you.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
You're not supposed to give him prom helpful Honestly, he's
helped me probably learn this better than anyone you know,
still learning curve.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But it's not his fault. Okay, So anything you do well,
we have to give him credit for only the mistakes.
This is killing. You can't steal. Any time I mess up,
just blame him.
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Speaker 3 (27:57):
Good evening, sir, Hello.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Mister Kelly, Who've got a gage show tonight. We're going
to talk about ancient astrology and how it affects us today,
and later on the law enforcement and the paranormal on
Coast to Coast.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
All right, I'll definitely be tuning in, my friend, how
was your weekend?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I bad? How about you?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
It was full? It was very, very full, one of
those weekends where you feel like I didn't have a weekend.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
You ready for Halloween.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am ready for it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I got my costume and I'm going to have a
party here and Lady with mo Kelly tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I am ready for Halloween.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
And Thursday night we've had Ghost to Ghost on.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Coast to Coast, all right, Ghost to Ghost.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I'll be tuning in as well. I'll talk to you
to my friend. But that's a perfect lead in. The
hours are counting down to the first what I say
is going to be an annual later with mo Kelly
pre Halloween swore a. The invitations have gone out. And
if you are in uh the ownership of one of
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the golden tickets that says like Willie Walker in the
Chocolate Factory, We'll be seeing you tomorrow night. And if
you are not physically in the house, do not worry.
You'll be able to catch everything which is going on.
Expect Instagram lives, expect all sorts of photos real time.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You won't have to wait until the end of the show.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Of course, you have to wait till after the show
for the podcast, but you're going to be listening live.
We'll have some unexpected events. That's for sure. I to
this moment, don't know what Mark Runner is going to
be tomorrow. I don't know what Tawalla Sharp is going
to be tomorrow. I don't know what Stephan is going
to be tomorrow. All I know is we're all going
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to be together in the helpful Honda Studios as we
bring this live show and presentation to you.
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A Wait, Can I wait?
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Speaker 9 (30:01):
I will be here early to start setting up helping
out Michelle Cube, super producer. Michelle, you have been fantastic
behind the scenes and making sure all of the ducks
are lined up and we will be ready to rock
enroll tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
We got our Lady with Mo Kelly swag in today,
so you know our attendees will be getting at least
a T shirt and maybe some other stuff. It's it's
gonna be really really, really fun, really fun. And if
you haven't seen the space, if you haven't been to
this portion of iHeartMedia, it's a very cool portion of
the building.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
They usually have.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Band performances there, signings, autograph signings for artists. It's just
really really indicative of how this show has grown. And Mark,
will you be doing news tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Just hanging with us?
Speaker 8 (30:52):
I think I'm gonna be just hanging with you in
some sort of costume, and there will be somebody else
doing the news down here in the news booth.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
H So you have some real time to just meet
the people.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Well, we we did sort of a version of this
last Thanksgiving thereabouts at the White House, and it was
a little hectic compiling and doing the news in front
of a noisy crowd of people. I want to focus
my full attention on you.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
Mo.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, that sounds weird. I know it does.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Stephane, oh he's I think he's busy. But I'll just
find out if Stephan has got his costume together. And
I expect everyone coming. You better be in costume. If
I have to get in some sort of costume, then
I need everybody else in costume. It's a Halloween party.
Well that was the ground rules for getting a ticket,
wasn't it. Well, we don't know how people are going
to show up. If you show up in T shirt
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and jeans, I mean I can't I can't make sure
they're actually gonna, you know, get a costume together.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Well, Tawala is the keeper of the velvet rope. He's
not going to let anybody in who just wanders in
and cut offs.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
And I know, well, I know.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
I mean, we're going to have some people showing up
looking absolutely crazy. I expected, but that's why we also
have security. Yes, yes, Now, how many costumes that you
have to choose between?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Only one? Once.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Once I set my mind on what I was going
to be, what I was going to portray, it was
easy for me to go through my various costuming sources
to piece together everything I would need to actualize it.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
All right, and Mark, did you have more than one
costume option that you were considered?
Speaker 8 (32:32):
A couple options? It'll be appropriate for I find appropriate? Yeah, appropriate?
What are you wearing under these costumes? There'll be no
pasty twirling or anything like that. It'll be appropriate for
a family audience. Okay, there are going to be any kids,
so you should be fine.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Oh thank god for that. Yes, thank god.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
I'm going as Princess Leah. No, but that was a
terrific idea last night. And don't think that I wouldn't
do that, by the way, just put a couple of
cinnamon on either side of your head. Now you know
you can't wear a bra. I think I'm like a
good solid be cup. I'm not sure I need one.
You know the story behind that, right of George Lucas
not wanting Carry Fisher to wear a bra in the future. Correct,
(33:13):
he said there are no bras in space and that's
what she was told. So she couldn't wear a bra
in Star Wars. Yes, they've conquered hyperdrive, but not supporting
a woman's It depends on how you look at it,
you know, not even with laser cups. No, no, or
George Lucier Lucas was just a filthy Letcher. There's always
that it could they're not mutually exclusive. No, no, it
(33:35):
could be both. But we're looking forward to seeing all
of you here tomorrow. We're looking forward to you listening
in to all the Shenanigans tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
People ask me, so, what is going to happen? I
honestly can't tell you. I don't know. We have not
mapped it out.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
We know that there's a show, has a starting time
and an ending time, and before we start the show,
we're going to eat, and during the show we'll probably
eat again, and then later during the show, right before
it's over, we'll eat again. There'll be so much food.
Most of the time we will be eating. We're not
allowed to eat in the performance area, but damn it.
We can run outside and eat some pizza real quick,
(34:13):
or you know, eat some Windy's and then come back.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yet we can eat a bunch. We can purge, and
we can go back and eat some more. We can urge. Yeah,
do the same thing all night. I don't know about purge.
Nok as gonna be Alva's gonna stay with me for
the whole evening.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
I'm holding onto it. We will be live streaming. We
will have matt On on board. We will be streaming,
going around and doing social media stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So make sure you're looking fly.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Don't come looking like you just woke up thinking, Ay,
is this gonna be No, you're gonna be on camera. Okay,
you're gonna be on camera, and you don't want to
get a tour around the station looking bummy.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Come looking fly. That's right.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
We will give a full tour to all of our
ten attendees after the show. So there's gonna be a
lot of good things and well, we'll live stream that
as well, so you can see that. Yeah, you won't
be left out, but it's better to be here and
experience at firsthand. But that's all Tomorrow. We'll see you
tomorrow and you'll hear us tomorrow. K if I AM
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There is an island in the North Atlantic where men
have been looking for treasure for more than two hundred years.
So far, they have uncovered booby trapped flood tunnels, carved
stones with strange symbols, seventeenth century Spanish coins, and evidence
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of a wooden vault covered in concrete. Six men have
even lost their lives trying to solve the mystery, and
according to legend, one more will have to die before
the treasure.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Kennedy found.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Kim sixty. It's Later with Mo Kelly. We are live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. The History Channels hit series
The Curse of Oak Island, premiering its twelfth season on
November twelfth at nine pm, follows brothers Rick and Marty Lagina,
who used the latest technology in an effort to solve
one of the world's greatest mysteries and the treasure hunting
(01:15):
brothers of Rick and Marty join me right now on
the show. Rick, Marty, thank you both for coming on today.
How are you, gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
We're doing well most Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Rick.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Let me start with you Treasure hunting, I need not
tell you as expensive, it can be physically dangerous.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
It often yields little or nothing in return.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It probably seemed like a great idea back when you
were a kid reading that reader's digest, But what about
the reality as an adult?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Why do it at all?
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Well, you know, there's there's many reasons. One is, certainly,
I get to do this with my brother and my
two nephews. I mean, for me, that's everything. Family is
important to us, right, and we get to do something
that you know, who amongst us, as you know, children
or even into young adulthood, isn't fascinated by the concept
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the idea of treasure. I mean, that's just that's just
a remarkable thing to appreciate that one day you might
be able to actually do such a thing. So on
that level alone, it's interesting. But you're right, is that
a roller coaster ride?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Not every day is do you pull you know, treasure
out of the girl? Not every day are you do
you say to yourself, well, today was worth it, and
there are some days when it's not worth it. You
are absolutely correct. But overall, this is a world class
treasure hunt, a world class mystery, and I am exceedingly
grateful to be a part of it and really appreciate
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that the world literally has been captivated by it. So
on many levels, this is well worth doing.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Marty.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I know that, and you know that technology is arguably
better than ever and more suited for what you do
than ever. But how has technology made what you do
both easier and more focused?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
You know what the truth is, I've been disappointed. We
have run drown penetrating radar, We've run magnetometers with drones,
We've thrown everything at it, even mwon technology and something
about call it the curse or call it the geology
of Oak Island has made that stuff unreliable. We have
not Our best results have been researching and digging. That's
(03:27):
what our best results have been. And I thought bringing
technology to bear would solve this thing in a year
or two. Well here we are year twelve. But it's
still the discoveries keep coming and we're still you know,
excited to continue.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Rick.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Maybe this is going to be the answer through what
Marty just said.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I get the mystery of Oak Island, but what exactly
has been the curse?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Or is the curse, well, the curse according to history
or the historical narrative is that the original umbr Oaks
must die and seven people must die in pursuit of
the treasure. Currently, six people have tragically passed actively engaged
in the search for answers, and all of the oaks,
(04:12):
the old Oaks, are are gone. That's historical narrative. I mean,
you know, we tried to track that backwards through time.
Unfortunately has been lost in the fog of time, so
we don't really know. But we do know this that
there are some we all have experienced some strange things
on this island, paranormal things, things we can't explain, and
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it has quote unquote haunted just about everyone's efforts from
the past. How to explain that in a logical, science
based way not completely explainable. So there's something strange about
this island. Don't know exactly what, Marty.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
We know that something may be strange about the island,
and we know that they're good days and bad days,
more fruitful days and less fruitful days when you're digging
and searching. But do you ever get big picture, the
idea that you satisfied your curiosity, You've come to a
conclusion that there may not be this big find we've
(05:17):
exhausted all our resources, we've covered every portion of this terrain,
and maybe it might be time to go home. Do
you know if there is that specific.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Moment, oh that has happened many times, you know, you
get discouraged and think, oh, man, bloody hell, you know
this is just isn't going well. But then but I'll
tell you what has happened every year, and this year
is no exception. Is this island almost like it has
sort of a sort of personality offers up something that
(05:47):
makes you say, oh, this could lead us right to
where we need to go, and this makes it all
look very real. And this year those that same thing happened.
But yes, I've been discouraged, talk about throwing in the towel.
But you know, the islandist, you know, hooks you in
with something else.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I'm quite sure Rick that you've learned plenty about Oak Island.
I'm quite sure you've learned a lot about the history
of Oak Island. But I also suspect that Oak Island
has taught you something about yourself, or taught yourself the
meaning or the value of things. What have you learned
about yourself or collectively about yourselves in this endeavor.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
I've certainly learned about, whether it's the passing of time
i e. My age, or or the pursuit of answers here,
but it has taught me patience. And I think we
in the modern era we see time in it from
a different perspective than it was seen long, long, long ago,
(06:51):
and I think that's valuable lesson to learn from history.
But the thing that has really been quite inspirational to me,
and I think to all of us, is that the
kindness and the support of people we don't know, people
who have come to really appreciate this mystery. They have
been inspirational to us. And look, in a world that
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is somewhat divisive and difficult, when you can rally round
to the greater good, I think that's an important lesson
to learn. That each and every person on this planet
is valuable and important. And I think that's what I've
learned through the teamwork expressed here on the island. This experience,
again has been inspirational to me and to all of us,
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I think, and that's an important thing to value and
have gratitude for.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Here's what I've learned about myself. I'm not as smart
as I thought I was, that's what I've learned.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
All right, let me tweet that question just a bit,
and I want an answer from both of you, if possible,
Rick and Marty as I close out my conversation, You've
learned something about yourselves. You've obviously learned something about the eye.
But as brothers, how has this either changed, improved, or
impacted your relationship?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Just as siblings? Marty, did you want to go first?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
No, but I will. You know what, it's been a
rollercoaster with that too. Rick and I went different ways,
you know, when we grew up, and we are very
alike at our core, but very different in many ways.
And how we think. I mean, I'm I'm a lot
more mercenary. I mean, the producer of the show said,
(08:34):
and he was a very good student of human nature.
He said, you know, Marty, you're the man of science
and Rick is the man of faith. And that was,
you know, too easy, but it kind of sums it up.
And we've had some rocky moments. You know, we're brothers.
We fight once in a while. If we didn't, they'd
be abnormal. And some of this Oak Island stuff, when
it's wearying, has caused us to fight a little bit,
(08:55):
but overall we're rock solid and trying to put this
thing to bed, figure it out, put some treasure up
on the on the ground, and figure out a great mystery.
We're still there.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Life to me is about perspective, and I think the
real treasure, one of the real treasures I have learned,
is to you know, you learn things about we learn
things about each other, and how important it is to
value that. I mean, my brother has approached this just
from a treasure hunting perspective. Marty has taught me that.
You know, he says it to me all the time.
(09:28):
You know, yes, he can believe and have faith and hope,
but you also need the application of logic and cold
hard facts and science. So seeing his perspective through his
eyes has been a great learning experience for me, and
I really really appreciate it. And you know, when your
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family being brothers, it's that much more important to learn
from each other because you experience the same things and
yet have a different perspective of the outcome. And I
value that tremendously. I think it's been really important and
in the maturation of of myself, of who I am
(10:10):
and who hopefully I will become Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Time we argue, I want you to remember that I'm right.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
I'm going to take that into perspective.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Okay, I didn't want to start a thinking between the brothers.
The History Channels hit series The Curse of Oak Island
premiering it's twelfth season on November twelfth at nine pm.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Do not miss it. Rick, Marty Lagina, thank you so
much for coming on this evening.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Thank you, moo appreciate it, can't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I am six forty Live everywhere, the iHeartRadio app you're.
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Listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI
AM six forty, And.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm really really starting to have a problem with variety.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Variety usually comes out with these lists of the top
one hundred movies of horror or.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You know, of all time, and we laugh.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
At it, we ridicule it, we realize that, okay, variety
is just not serious. And I came across this other
article which poses the idea it's a it's a theme
that we've heard before, but it's factually untrue. Well, they
talked about here's the title to the to the story
(11:18):
super burnout with most superhero movies flopping.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Not true? Right there, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Can Marvel and DC's twenty twenty five slates reverse an
unprecedented box office drought. When you say Marvel and DC,
DC is referring to the DC Universe of movies, which
is being produced by Warner Brothers and so forth. When
you say Marvel to the uninitiated, you don't know if
(11:48):
you're talking about Marvel as in Sony Marvel Universe or MCU,
which is Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is movies which are
produced by Marvel Productions. They're not the same thing. The
movies which have failed. It's not because of superhero burnout.
If you see a movie like Madam Webb, it failed
because it's horrible. It's not because it's a quote unquote
(12:11):
superhero movie and people are tired of superhero movies. The
number two movie of all twenty twenty four was Deadpool
and Wolverine. It had nothing to do with it being
a quote unquote superhero movie. It just had to do
with it being a great freakin movie. Was very funny,
and it gave us all the things that we wanted
(12:31):
in a good movie, and oh, yet has some superheroes
in it. That's the fallacy. But when you keep telling
this lie that people are tired of superhero movies, it's
almost like saying you get eight or nine movies which
underperform which your action or happen to be rom coms.
People aren't getting tired of rom coms. People are not
(12:52):
getting tired of action movies. Those are just bad movies.
And to then make the argument that superhero movies are
somehow are this love diminishing returns. The more superhero movies
we get, the few which are actually successful, denies the
reality that there were just some bad movies. And you
(13:12):
have companies like Sony putting out garbage, trying to hold
onto Marvel's coattails because Marvel, as in Marvel Cinematic Universe,
Marvel Productions, had a host of movies in a run
of maybe ten years of really good movies. They were
just putting out garbage because people were accustomed seeing really
good movies.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
That's like saying Tauwala is sick of Mexican food, when
really he just doesn't want any more of the place
that hosed him off that one time. The same token,
I don't want any more eternals. Okay, yeah, but I
mean beyond the Eternals Dig, which wasn't that bad. You
watch it again, It's not that bad, well after you
(13:54):
wake up and finish it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
But the issue at hand is, if you really look
at this year's box office, the only big box office
numbers came in by way of superhero films. Even The Joker,
which as as widely panned as that was, has still
just crossed the point of making all of its money back.
(14:21):
That is, and this is a movie that is horrible.
You can't say that about a lot of films. Never
would I go and see Venom two. Venom two still
made a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Are we keeping the box offices open?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Are we going to complain about superhero films that I'm
tired of seeing them?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Which one do you want? On theatre's close? Let's give
some more facts. Twenty twenty three. Just last year, the
number one, excuse me, the number three movie across all
box office was Spider Man Across the Spider Verse. Not
only was that critically acclaimed, I think it even the
Academy Award nominated. It was the number three movie domestically.
The number four movie last year was Guardians of the
(15:01):
Galaxy Volume three. The number eight movie was ant Man
in the Wasp Quantum Mania. Did these movies underperform, Yes,
but that's relative to previous expectations. They did not flop.
They did not somehow bring down the overall box office
to to Wallace point. If anything, they kept more movie
(15:21):
theaters in business than they did harm.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
I mean six hundred plus million for ant Man and
the Wasp. Quantum may not believe it actually probably topped
out of more than that. That can't be a flop.
When you're saying that movies like these rom coms that
are coming out making eighteen million, you know, across the
totality of them, you can't have flops being an equal
(15:45):
category with those moneies or with those dollars signs No,
hell no. This type of felonious reporting pisses me off.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
It's it's so dishonest because a person who actually like
superhero movies knows these distinctions and they're huge. If you
think that the genre is suffering, then you haven't been
paying attention to the fact that Marvel Studios only came
out with one movie in twenty twenty four, and that
(16:16):
was Deadpool and Wolverine, and.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
It was about time they cut down though, because they
were having some quality control issues. I mean, we all
suffered through the Marvels, right, yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
They were being judged to get them against themselves exactly
the Marvels. As the movie didn't lose money, it's still
I think made like three hundred million or something. We're
judging superhero movies against superhero movies, not against the movie industry.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Right.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
But if you get people thinking, boy, I sure hope
we're gonna get another Captain America and the Winter Soldier
and then they get Marvels, Eternals, et cetera, all in
a row, eventually they're gonna stop showing up.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Okay, let's go further with that point.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Is that because of superhero movie for them or mediocre movies,
it's from bad movie mediocre fatigue. So it's not then
a fatigue of the genres, like, oh not another movie
from this genre. I'm just tired of Why is it
they can't do more gangster movies, you know, with Martin
Scorsexy or Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Now, now you know what you remind me of when
you talk about this is all the focus groups that
I had to endure during my print newspaper career. They
keep on missing the point. Don't do focus groups. People
don't know what they want. If you give them something good,
they're gonna want that that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yes, yes, it has nothing to do with Look, if
you have ten more superhero movies, if there were superhero
movie fatigue, then those movies would not do well period
because of superhero movie fatigue.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It doesn't matter how good of a movie that you
give me. I'm tired of that genre.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
But I wonder if people are getting a little bit
gunshy because look at what's on the slate coming up, Like,
who's gonna go see Craven?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Honestly, but you know what, that goes into the bad
movie category.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It's a flawed premise because you're taking, Look, let's not
insult nerds. Nerds know that Craven is from a universe,
and that universe's titulalle character is not even gonna be
in it.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's almost like you have a Frankenstein movie. It's starring
I Gore or Igor and you don't have the actual
Frankenstein in it.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Who the hell wants to see that? Oh you're saying
that because Terry Garpe. Yeah, yeah, we're going.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
To get to that as well. But yeah, but I'm saying,
you know, you can't have a portion of that universe.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You can't have.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
All the co stars and not the actual star. You
can't have all these Batman movies and never Batman.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
I think my point was that Marvel had such a
stellar record for such a long time, and then when
it became hit and miss, it's like You're gonna go
see everything they put out, but then you realize, oh no,
I'm not gonna go see every single thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But see, that's not true, because people do.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
They put out ant Man in the Wasp Quantumnia, they
put out Spider Man No Way Home, and they put
out Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three in the same year.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's not hit and miss.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Those are two humongous hits, and ant Man of the
Wilds was subpart. And even Kevin Figing in a return said, yeah,
this one wasn't absolutely missing. Here are the reasons why
no one was on set supervising this. This doesn't stick
to the story. They missed the whole point. Even they
are self aware within the company. It's not hit and
missed when you have two really really big films that
(19:29):
dominate all of film a box office history.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
If that way, if you're tired of superhero movies in
twenty twenty three, you're not going to get a hit
from that same genre in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
That's what I'm saying. It's a contradiction. Sure, Sure, you
mentioned Guardians of the Galaxy three. I was so looking
forward to Adam Warlock finally being in a movie. I
thought they kind of fumbled that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, I think they did too, But that has to
do with a movie not being as good as it
should be, not I'm an overall fatigue or a sense
that the genre has nothing more to offer.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
And again, like those are our minor quibbles when you
consider what's being argued, and this is like we can
all get in. Every nerd goes into a film with
their own expectations, and lots of times that's on us,
you know, our expectations not being met. We're not in
the writer's room, we have no idea. But when you
look at these stories and when you look at how
(20:27):
this genre transcends the entire industry, and this genre it
influences action movies as well, because you're not having your
film top Gun two you're not having a top Gun
two being made trying to compete with a Marvel or
(20:48):
DC film.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Oh, I thought we got to go to break because
we're really over and Mark has something else to say.
I'm sure that it's probably going to infuriate everyone. I
want to make sure that we have an opportunity to
rebut him and beat him down rhetorically verbally. It's Later
with Mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty, were live what
Mark Everywhere everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Just to put a pin on what we were saying
last segment. I know superhero movies get a lot of hate.
I'm quite sure if someone's listening right now is like,
I don't care about superhero movies. Yes, you do, because
you care about movies. You care about movie theaters, and
if it weren't for superhero movies, your favorite movie theater
down the street probably would already be closed.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
If it wasn't for Deadpool and Wolverine this particular year,
dozens of theaters would have already closed. Now they may
close six months from now, but Deadpool and Wolverine just
by itself kept a lot of people in business. There
are Marvel movies which are coming in twenty twenty five,
which you're going to keep these mom and pop movie
theaters in business.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's why it's so important.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
We talked yesterday about Governor News of how he wants
to keep movie productions here in California. Well, you better
hope that some of them are superhero movies because they're
going to employ a lot of people and keep a
lot of movie theaters in business.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's why it's important. Now, as you were saying, Mark,
you are so wrong.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Well, no, it's almost as if you're implying that Killers
of the Flower, Moonpie or something isn't enough to keep
theaters in business. Is that what you're daring to suggest
that's one of the movies which will have absolutely no
impact on the business. Yes, correct, Now, you're right. It's
puzzling the decisions that are made though that we mere
mortals and civilians aren't privy too. Like they canceled the
(22:33):
Blade movie with maherschel a Ali. We don't know why
they did that. I hope that the reason for that
is because they like Wesley Snipes in dead Pool and Wolverine,
and they want to go back to him. They're going
to make another Fantastic Four movie after they've all already
had two attempts at that and they were just god awful.
And we like all the people in the new one.
(22:53):
We like Pedro Pascal and who's the actress from Mission Impossible. Yes,
I mean we'd watch her reading the ingredients on a
tube of hemorrhoid cream. But I'm not sure they are
the right people to play those characters, Mister Fantastic and
the Invisible Woman. So I think it's a crapshoot coming up,
(23:15):
is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
It may be a crapshoot, but if anything, the faithful
nerds are going to be there. That Marvel Fantastic Four,
which is different from the Sony Fantastic Fantastic Foo fantast
Fox using the Fox Fantastic four is not going to
be received the same way. That Marvel Fantastic four movie
is not going to fail. Could it possibly underperform, Yeah, definitely,
(23:37):
But we're looking at it through a Marvel lens. We're
looking at it through Marvel Movies, which made up to
two billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
It's being judged against itself.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You have these movies like Doom, which will make four
or five hundred million, but it still will be financially
a failure and it's not enough to sustain the industry
because no one else is making movies of that ilk
or genre.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
I mean the Mad Max Furiosa film. As beautiful as
that film was and as much as I enjoyed watching it,
that film wasn't expensive by all accounts, Doud, because it's
so grossly underperformed.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
The failure of that got a lot of people's attention. Yeah,
which is tough.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
That's a big budget art piece, and they try to
blend in some stuff for those of us who want
to relive our Mad Max glory days.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But no, every one of.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Us is gonna go and see the Fantastic Four by Marvel,
which point to be made. When Marvel brought over the Hulk,
it won. When Marvel brought over Spider Man, he won,
just gotta say. But they bring over Fantastic Four, it'll win.
Will it not meet our expectations? Yeah, I'm sure there's
gonna be someone who's gonna be like, there's a woman
(24:54):
in that.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Why?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Here's the takeaway.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
If you are rooting or Hollywood to continue to make
money in California, in a business sense, you should be
rooting for superhero movies. If you are rooting for the
movie industry and movie theaters to do well, you should
be rooting for superhero movies because those are the movies
which make the most money for the most people and
(25:19):
the most theaters around the country. So if you're rooting
against superhero movies, you're rooting against California, You're rooting against
the industry, and you're rooting against movie theaters. You hate America, Well,
that's what I'm saying. You know, it's like you people
may think, well I hate that movie. Well, you know what,
that movie's keeping your ass in business.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
I want to disagree with you, because it's boring when
we disagree, But you're right, and we can bicker about
the smaller points, like their plans for the silver Surfer
being Julia Garner. I think I'm not for that at all.
I want the old norn rad male silver Surfer, that's
the one we grew up with. But you know, it's
their game to lose at this point.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, And I know as someone who's really been following
this as closely as you have. I know what's coming
for Marvel. They have some straight bangers, as they say coming.
There are some huge projects with big names. We know
Robert Downey Jr. Is coming back as Doctor dooman some
form or fashion or capacity. We know that there are
(26:20):
some huge, huge tent pole movies which are going to
be in the two billion dollar revenue range, which is
going to save a lot of movie theaters. It's going
to prevent a lot of folks from going out of
business prematurely. If you're not rooting for superhero movies, you
are rooting against yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Pack them in there. Touch and degree, we have to touch.
Oh it's a phrase, no real touching. Please, we know,
we know.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
In fact, when we come back, you have to talk
about your costumes and tomorrow and how that's going to
work out. I have a trainee, I can't what if
never mind, it's late with mo Kelly. We'll catch up
with George. I am six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. And and before we go to the news break, Brashita,
let me just ask you very quickly, how is Mark
(27:09):
Runner as a KFI instructor.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
He's actually really awesome. You're not supposed to say that
you don't know this show very well to you.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
You're not supposed to give him prom helpful Honestly, he's
helped me probably learn this better than anyone you know,
still learning curve.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But it's not his fault. Okay, So anything you do well,
we have to give him credit for only the mistakes.
This is killing. You can't steal. Any time I mess up,
just blame him.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Coming up shortly, we'll be Coast to Coast AM with
George Nori and he joins me right now with the preview.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Good evening, sir, Hello.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Mister Kelly, Who've got a gage show tonight. We're going
to talk about ancient astrology and how it affects us today,
and later on the law enforcement and the paranormal on
Coast to Coast.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
All right, I'll definitely be tuning in, my friend, how
was your weekend?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I bad? How about you?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
It was full? It was very, very full, one of
those weekends where you feel like I didn't have a weekend.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
You ready for Halloween.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am ready for it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I got my costume and I'm going to have a
party here and Lady with mo Kelly tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I am ready for Halloween.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
And Thursday night we've had Ghost to Ghost on.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Coast to Coast, all right, Ghost to Ghost.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I'll be tuning in as well. I'll talk to you
to my friend. But that's a perfect lead in. The
hours are counting down to the first what I say
is going to be an annual later with mo Kelly
pre Halloween swore a. The invitations have gone out. And
if you are in uh the ownership of one of
(28:58):
the golden tickets that says like Willie Walker in the
Chocolate Factory, We'll be seeing you tomorrow night. And if
you are not physically in the house, do not worry.
You'll be able to catch everything which is going on.
Expect Instagram lives, expect all sorts of photos real time.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You won't have to wait until the end of the show.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Of course, you have to wait till after the show
for the podcast, but you're going to be listening live.
We'll have some unexpected events. That's for sure. I to
this moment, don't know what Mark Runner is going to
be tomorrow. I don't know what Tawalla Sharp is going
to be tomorrow. I don't know what Stephan is going
to be tomorrow. All I know is we're all going
(29:41):
to be together in the helpful Honda Studios as we
bring this live show and presentation to you.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
A Wait, Can I wait?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Cannot Wait? Sponsored by Wendy's. Wendy's is going over and
beyond yes to make this a event. Delicious Grub.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
I will be here early to start setting up helping
out Michelle Cube, super producer. Michelle, you have been fantastic
behind the scenes and making sure all of the ducks
are lined up and we will be ready to rock
enroll tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
We got our Lady with Mo Kelly swag in today,
so you know our attendees will be getting at least
a T shirt and maybe some other stuff. It's it's
gonna be really really, really fun, really fun. And if
you haven't seen the space, if you haven't been to
this portion of iHeartMedia, it's a very cool portion of
the building.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
They usually have.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Band performances there, signings, autograph signings for artists. It's just
really really indicative of how this show has grown. And Mark,
will you be doing news tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Just hanging with us?
Speaker 8 (30:52):
I think I'm gonna be just hanging with you in
some sort of costume, and there will be somebody else
doing the news down here in the news booth.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
H So you have some real time to just meet
the people.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Well, we we did sort of a version of this
last Thanksgiving thereabouts at the White House, and it was
a little hectic compiling and doing the news in front
of a noisy crowd of people. I want to focus
my full attention on you.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
Mo.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, that sounds weird. I know it does.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Stephane, oh he's I think he's busy. But I'll just
find out if Stephan has got his costume together. And
I expect everyone coming. You better be in costume. If
I have to get in some sort of costume, then
I need everybody else in costume. It's a Halloween party.
Well that was the ground rules for getting a ticket,
wasn't it. Well, we don't know how people are going
to show up. If you show up in T shirt
(31:43):
and jeans, I mean I can't I can't make sure
they're actually gonna, you know, get a costume together.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Well, Tawala is the keeper of the velvet rope. He's
not going to let anybody in who just wanders in
and cut offs.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
And I know, well, I know.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
I mean, we're going to have some people showing up
looking absolutely crazy. I expected, but that's why we also
have security. Yes, yes, Now, how many costumes that you
have to choose between?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Only one? Once.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Once I set my mind on what I was going
to be, what I was going to portray, it was
easy for me to go through my various costuming sources
to piece together everything I would need to actualize it.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
All right, and Mark, did you have more than one
costume option that you were considered?
Speaker 8 (32:32):
A couple options? It'll be appropriate for I find appropriate? Yeah, appropriate?
What are you wearing under these costumes? There'll be no
pasty twirling or anything like that. It'll be appropriate for
a family audience. Okay, there are going to be any kids,
so you should be fine.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Oh thank god for that. Yes, thank god.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
I'm going as Princess Leah. No, but that was a
terrific idea last night. And don't think that I wouldn't
do that, by the way, just put a couple of
cinnamon on either side of your head. Now you know
you can't wear a bra. I think I'm like a
good solid be cup. I'm not sure I need one.
You know the story behind that, right of George Lucas
not wanting Carry Fisher to wear a bra in the future. Correct,
(33:13):
he said there are no bras in space and that's
what she was told. So she couldn't wear a bra
in Star Wars. Yes, they've conquered hyperdrive, but not supporting
a woman's It depends on how you look at it,
you know, not even with laser cups. No, no, or
George Lucier Lucas was just a filthy Letcher. There's always
that it could they're not mutually exclusive. No, no, it
(33:35):
could be both. But we're looking forward to seeing all
of you here tomorrow. We're looking forward to you listening
in to all the Shenanigans tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
People ask me, so, what is going to happen? I
honestly can't tell you. I don't know. We have not
mapped it out.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
We know that there's a show, has a starting time
and an ending time, and before we start the show,
we're going to eat, and during the show we'll probably
eat again, and then later during the show, right before
it's over, we'll eat again. There'll be so much food.
Most of the time we will be eating. We're not
allowed to eat in the performance area, but damn it.
We can run outside and eat some pizza real quick,
(34:13):
or you know, eat some Windy's and then come back.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yet we can eat a bunch. We can purge, and
we can go back and eat some more. We can urge. Yeah,
do the same thing all night. I don't know about purge.
Nok as gonna be Alva's gonna stay with me for
the whole evening.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
I'm holding onto it. We will be live streaming. We
will have matt On on board. We will be streaming,
going around and doing social media stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So make sure you're looking fly.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Don't come looking like you just woke up thinking, Ay,
is this gonna be No, you're gonna be on camera. Okay,
you're gonna be on camera, and you don't want to
get a tour around the station looking bummy.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Come looking fly. That's right.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
We will give a full tour to all of our
ten attendees after the show. So there's gonna be a
lot of good things and well, we'll live stream that
as well, so you can see that. Yeah, you won't
be left out, but it's better to be here and
experience at firsthand. But that's all Tomorrow. We'll see you
tomorrow and you'll hear us tomorrow. K if I AM
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