June 20, 2025 • 30 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – “The Sex Doctor Is In” w/ Sam Zia, MA LMFT (#106352), PhD Candidate, Human Sexuality delving into the topic of “Sex & Shame” … PLUS – An in-depth look at a new study that examines “the length of a vagina, and how to know if yours is short” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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SAMSI as sex Doc.
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He said sex the sex.
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Just say everywhere, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, We're live everywhere and
also the iHeartRadio app. Sam the Sex Doctor is in
and he will see us now, Sam, you and I
have kind of bounced around this subject.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
In the sense of sex and shame.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
There's usually a moral weight or anchor or albatross which
is put around many of our next as far as
sex being free in our expression and not disappointing our
parents as it were, or you know, running a foul
of our religion and moral all.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That kind of stuff. Where do you want to start
with this?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, I'm glad you brought religion up, as you know,
kind of a gateway into the shame discussion. Because I
was talking to a friend of mine. We both saw
a movie separately. It was the Phoenician Scheme just came out.
The Wes Anderson movie, a fun movie, entertaining movie. I
recommend it, not necessarily the best Wes Anderson movie, but
it's not bad. But he entire time couldn't stop talking
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about Mia Thriepleton. I think that's how her name is pronounced.
She played a really, really hot nun in the movie,
and she like wore makeup and everything. They actually made
a point that nuns aren't supposed to wear makeup, but
she had that indulgence, and he could not stop talking
about how hot she was, like how sexy that he
thought that that nun was in the movie the whole time.
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And I think it was kind of inadvertently letting me
know what his kink was, the thing that he was into.
And it got me thinking, what about that is so hot?
What about that idea is so sexy?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I mean, obviously the taboo, the taboo of the nun
participating engaging in the taboo of participating engaging in sex
with a nun.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And also from the thing that made it also really
clear in my head that came out was the idea
of the amount of shame that they can throw at
you from the position and also the amount of discipline
that they can throw at you using.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
God to guide that ruler across your knuckles. That kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And I know there's people out there right now thinking
about that like getting a little getting a little turned
on by because it's for some people they have sexualized
their shame and everybody, all of us, and one that
sexualized their shame. Yeah, say, for example, they feel like
some sense of religious shame and then they develop a
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kink out of that shame. So that my friend may
have a kink sexually towards nuns that just based off
of that sense of shame that they feel around them personally.
Maybe they were shamed by a nun in the past,
told that they were behaving like a bad boy and
spanked or something, and that's the birthplace of that kink,
I guess for him. Now, everybody develops kinks differently, and
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it's something that shame a lot of time gets associated
with it religiously and for that specific you know that
nun position, that's a very dominant disciplinarian role.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Are you getting ready to get into like masochism? And
I'm knocking on the doorstep. I'll get to that. We'll
get to that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now. A lot of times people will act out their
sense their sexual shame unconsciously, either if they're by themselves
and if they're you know, masturbating, and then there you know,
a lot of times after they climax, they get that
sense of regret or shame afterwards, and they've it's because
a lot of times they've been told that's not okay,
don't do that. So a lot of times it's associated
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with parents telling us what's right and wrong, and a
lot of times it gets associated with God and it
kind of gets blurred to you. If you do that
too much, your hair will start growing on your hand. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
And it reminds me. I saw I rewatched Kentucky Fried
movie and there's a scene in that that's greatly referenced
that exact joke, and it was really funny.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But that's the thing. There is socially a place for
some sexual shame.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Now I'm very much I tried to do my best
to not shame people based off of their kinks, their sexuality,
anything like that, but there is some place for social shame,
especially when it comes to matters of consent, if you're
violating boundaries, harming others without their consent, especially miners. There
is a place for social saving of specific sexual act.
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But other than stuff like that, if you're doing stuff
consensually with other people unless you want shame introduced to it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I'm not going to be someone to shame anybody, and
that's you, that's me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I always say you like what you like, and if
you're not breaking any laws, I'm I'm not going to judge.
And I say that sincerely because look, when I say
you like what you like, I like what I like. Mark,
I assume likes what he likes.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I don't like anything.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Taualla likes what he likes, Stefan and so forth. I
don't think we're dealing with any virgens here. The point
I'm trying to make is we all like what we like,
and we probably would not want that under a spotlight.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now, there are a lot of people who have other ideas.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
In their head that they want to be able to communicate,
say with their partner, and they have a lot of
shame about it, so they don't communicate those desires with people.
And really, when those moments happen, I question how deep
of a connection those people have if they're so worried
about being judged off of something that they are into sexually.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But let me just say this, just over the fullness
of my dating history. Sometimes you have a connection with
someone and you may not be on the same wavelength
as far as depths of your sexuality, but the other
parts of the relationship are so strong that's more important.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Absolutely, And I like and I've been in those relationships
where they have had great solid ground for a lot
of good energy.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
We treat each other well, we coexist well with each other.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
But the idea of sex or having conversations about sex
immediately led to a lot of tension, stress, things that
made it really hard to actually connect and express desires
and needs and stuff like that. So a lot of times,
I mean it, peple get kink shamed. And that's what
they're afraid of, is that they're going to express this
idea that they they're into and they want to express
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it to their partner, but they're terrified of what that
response is going to. I understand if Mark hypothetically were
to express to the long suffering one that he is
quietly a furry.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Yeah, you know, that might be a cause for friction
in the relationship. He has this other side to him psypothetically. Ever,
see a show called The New Zoo review. Nice callback
have something you need to know about anyhow, Yes, yes,
we get that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We got to stop right there because we got to
go to a commercial break. But on the other side,
where do you want to pick up exactly now? We
just talked about how sex gets acted out. A lot
of times shames get acted out sexually unconsciously. We're going
to talk about the stuff that you referred to. The
conscious ways that we act out are sexual shame BDSM
for example, Oh we going there tonight? Oh yeah, A
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KFI AM six forty is Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
We live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and the iHeartRadio app.
The Sam the Sex Doctor is still in with us
giving us some needed advice. Sam. Before the break, we
were talking about sex and shame, some of the reasons
why we have these hang ups and how it may
play out in our relationships. And before the break you
(08:34):
told us that we're going to go into a darker
place now if you will.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, Well, we've been talking about unconscious acts of sexual
shame and acting them out, and a lot of times
that happens unconsciously.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
People aren't fully aware of it. Sometimes people do it
while they're dreaming.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But for people that are consciously aware of the connection
between sex and shame and they want to engage in
acting out that sexual shame, usually we associate those acts
with BDSM. Now BDSM, I'm sure everybody knows, is bondage, discipline, sadism,
and masochism. Some people will also call the the d
n s and that dom and sub Now there's a
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lot of misconceptions. By the way, nuns that we were
talking about in the last segment, they are associated with
the discipline aspect of BDSMU.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
They have that real yeah and that every time.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Seriously, I'd be to see a nun with a ruler
in her hands and I'm immediately thinking along those lines.
But misconceptions, I have no problem on myself. I'm an
open book when it comes to this stuff, and i
have no problem discussing it because really, there's so much
about it without the actual act of it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
We're not here, that's just the basics of it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But if you want to go deeper into the subject,
there's so much of it that it gets there's so
many misconceptions and misunderstandings that people have about it that
they end up rejecting things that they may end up
if they allowed themselves to engage in those things, maybe
important may become important parts of their lives. A lot
of people who are within the BDSM community look at
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that as being a huge part of their lives.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Not all of their lives, but a big part of
their lives.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And that community expanded exponentially when the Internet kicked in,
because before it was very much a niche thing and
people carried quite a bit of shame about that kind
of stuff, and especially because a lot of times the
only time you ever saw any reference to it was
whenever shame was being brought in in motion pictures or
in porn, where it was specifically doing that.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Do I interpret this the right way when you say
the Internet changed all that is that because people then
found their community and found that they were less isolated.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Less isolated, and that the things that fall under the
umbrella of BDSM were not as socially shameful as people
were making them out to be. Because I mean, it
could be something as you know, quote unquote vanilla as
just you know, spanking. That's considered part of BDSM, and
it could. That's like one of the more basic vanilla
aspects of it. But when you get to you know,
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the stuff that people tend to associate it, like with
things Yeah, autoerotic asphyxiation, things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, say that five times fast. I can't and I'm
not even gonna try. I will say something I'm not
allowed to say on the radio. The dumb button is
there for a reason.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Now, some of the misconceptions come around the idea, for example,
of who's in control when it comes to domination and submission.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Immediately on its face.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You're looking at domination, you're thinking power, and the person
who's the sub is the one who has no power.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
More often than not, that dynamic.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's not just a matter of control, it's power dynamics
that play between those two. The usually a lot of times,
what people don't understand about it is that the sub
is usually the one.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That has all of the power. Explain that as best
you can't.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
The act doesn't happen without them saying. That's where safe
words come into play. Absolutely, But their second that they
say no, that no has to be respected. Whoever the
other person is on the other end of it is
someone who probably has a lot of experience living with them,
working with them, to communicating those sexual needs and desires
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with them so that they can read them and communicate
verbally and nonverbally, to allow for the space for that,
so that they can go through something that otherwise would
be considered assault.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They're doing something that's consensual. It's not assault.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
This is something that they're both consenting to and for
the sub they are giving someone else control, but they
maintain the power.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Talk to me about the psychological health benefits of having
this relationship and understanding which is fulfilling ostensibly for both parties.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the mental health aspect
of it because I'm a trauma therapist on top of
being a sex doctor. I do a lot of mental
health work with the VA and survivors of sexual trauma,
and I actually one of them. I have a lot
of ideas for dissertation topics, and this is one that
I explored and got talked out of. Was the impact
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of BDSM on people who have PTSD from combat.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Wow, that's a lot it is.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Now there have been research into PTSD survivors of sexual
trauma and BDSM, and what got explored there was the
level of like the loss of control that happens whenever
they had that personal violate, that boundary violated, and the
level of control that they regain in those moments. It's
it heals. It has a healing quality to it because
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maybe for the first time they're having their no respected
when someone is saying no, stop, someone is saying yes, ma'am,
And then they know how a.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Good partner knows aftercare after those moments.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
The thing that I tell people all the time, couples
within the BDSM community are the ones that have the
best communication patterns bar none. They have to the survival
physically and emotionally of both of them is completely reliant
on it.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
We had a very clinical discussion of topics which are
uncomfortable for many. Could I get you to stay around
for another segment, because we're just gonna go bargain basement,
real childish titillation when we come back. Yeah, And let
me just say it's size matters. From the other end
of the spectrum, the inverse of size fie matters. I
(14:40):
guess that's all I'll say for right now. If you're
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
I AM six forty is Later with Mokelly. We're live
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Speaker 4 (15:10):
I'm watching the amount of viewers we have on our
YouTube channel. It has grown by like twenty five or so.
We get like anywhere between seventy and one hundred usually
consistent viewers. It grew like twenty twenty five and just
during the commercial break because they know this is a
there's a video component to the show and you can
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see what the next subject is gonna be. So I'm
gonna try to be as adult about this in a
genuine way as possible. We've heard the term that size matters,
but it's usually in reference to a man, and sometimes
men can get caught up in the idea of measuring
up or not.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Did you know?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I can say confidently and honestly I did not
know this that it may not be up to the man.
In other words, it depends on.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
How deep the pool is.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
True, there's a study that says that the woman's secret garden,
I just call it that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The secret the secret gardens card.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
The secret garden can change its dimensions across a woman's
lifetime within a month, within various hormonal changes and sexual arousal.
For example, before puberty, the secret garden usually measures between
two point two inches and three point one inches in length.
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During puberty it increases, but because also hormones may change
the lining. Now as a woman becomes older, it will
extend up to maybe four point nine inches. So depending
on that woman's setual partners, depending on who she's experiencing,
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that man maybe perceived one way or another way, and
it has to do with the woman's changes, not the man.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I don't know that a lot of times, and usually
men worry about their size in relation to other men.
Women there's I mean, if there's a woman out there
who's into larger men, that's cool. That's their choice. They
call them size queens, and good for them. I'm okay
with that. That's their choice and that they can pursue
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that in their lives, no problem. And they're toys that
can fulfill their needs. Now, The thing is, there's so
many guys that obsess over their size, where for a
lot of women, really it's not necessarily how deep it
all goes, because most of the nerves sexually are in
the first three inches. Like, there's reason why people whenever
they're showing you how to do certain things to pleasure
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women with their fingers, it's because it's not like people
have gigantic hands.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So it's because they if you have to know how
to operate in there.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Okay, so let's be honest. In there is a scientific
basis to motion of the ocean.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
There is some some people are in the enjoy having
something larger. Other people the idea of something larger is
something that's painful for them, so they want something.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
But going back to the story, it could be relative
to the physiology of the woman.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And at the end of the day, it's all up
to what the whoever that sexual partner is into. If
that partner is into a larger member, it may the
the size of their secret garden, if you will, would
be irrelevant. It's a matter of what just makes them
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happy and gives them pleasure of something that really, I
think the there's so much emphasis and weight put on
that not necessarily and obviously socially, but really individually.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
This goes back to what we were talking about earlier,
the shame, shame, sex and shame Yeah, where it could
be self.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Induced for a man absolutely where they are comparing themselves
sexually and like as far as like their actual physical
size and their virility to what they see in porn
and porn is not sexual reality. Yeah, porn is specifically
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designed to cater to sexual fantasy of men, of men,
typically of men. It's specifically focused on catering to the
fantasies of men. That doesn't necessarily mean women aren't getting
anything out of it. There are many women out there
who are getting the exact same sexual arousal out of
watching pornography. Now, whether you want pornography legal or not,
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that's another discussion and I'm not going to have it.
But the there's so much shame based off of men
judging themselves, off of people who are getting paid to
have fantasy sex. Fantasy sex is I mean, first off,
reality of sex is way messier than the fantasy of sex.
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They don't show the cleanup, but really, if we're comparing
ourselves to guys, that spend their entire time basically working
out in the gym so that their bodies look one
hundred percent in shape, so that they can be this
physical ideal of what men should be, so that they
can go and have fantasy sex with the physical ideal
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of what a quote unquote woman or whatever they are
having sex with, or whomever they are having sex within
that scene is.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
They are all catering to fantasy.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And if we are going to base ourselves and our
statures off of the fantasy versions of what we want,
we are going to always fall short.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
But don't we do that naturally? Because sex begins in
the mind. It has to do with our preconceived notions
about this, that, and the other. Now, those notions can
be shaped by our actual experiences, or it could be
shaped by the fantasy of media. I mean, because remember
you may not. We grew up at different times. Uh,
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Mark and I are around the same age.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
For us. Growing up there was like the Seers catalog.
I'm being actually serious, I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Not no, no, seriously, people would look in the braw
section and that would for me. My generation was a
scrambled playboy on yes what you got? Yeah exactly ten?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So That's the thing is that, yeah, we all work
with well whatever we have, and a lot of people
will develop the sense of shame. Where you're saying exactly right,
Sex and sexuality really starts in the brain. And if
you are a lot of people look at their size
as their ability to give pleasure sexually to someone else.
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And if you're gonna look at it from your brain
being the place where all sex and sexuality really originates,
and that's the biggest orogen ist zone. That's also the
place where you can educate yourself and learn how you
can pleasure other people in other ways.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
If you're feeling inadequate in that way, I.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Think we all need to just go home and just
have it a moment alone with ourselves and think about life.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Sam, I'd like to thank you for not using I'd
like to thank you for not using the borat term
wizard sleeve.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
See have done far worse, far worse if this was
after ten o'clock.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
One of my favorite activities is coming up with like,
and I do this in LIKE presentations and classes so
people can immediately lose the sense of shame and reluctance
to talk about the subject.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I have them give me whatever slang terms they can to.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Describe various body parts or acts, just so that they
can get the giggles out, so that they can get
a lot of that sense of shame out of the mix,
so that they can actually have a conversation without getting
it without it getting hijacked by somebody like blushing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Where's the fun without the shame? You just trying to
undermine all the good work.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I wanted you to chime in with like, because I'm sure,
I mean, you carry yourself as someone burdened by a
mountain of sexual.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It saves time. So do you charge by the hour?
Because I want to hear this session.
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Speaker 4 (24:00):
And speaking of the show, tomorrow night, we will be
playing name that movie cult classic, probably not for prizes,
I know it's disappointment. Look, Tawala has been working very hard,
you know, but they don't give us prizes. We have
to go get them ourselves. We do, seriously, we have to.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
You know, we have to scratch a pocket seriously, so seriously, yes,
people will just have to do it for fun, you know,
we have to do it for fun. But also just
prior to that is The Runner Report starring our own
sexy Mark Ronner, Yes, starring.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mark. What is going to be on The Runner Report tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Well, with any luck, we're going to talk about twenty
eight years Later, which is the second sequel to twenty
eight Days Later? Yeah, yeah, because in days, weeks years,
I don't know what they're going to do next twenty
eight millennia later. I have no idea if they have
a third one lined up. But it's the zombie movie,
which director Danny Boyle insists is not about zombies. It's
(24:58):
about the infected. And I'm like, there's something it get
out of my it. Don't split hairs with me about
zombies and a zombie? Are you trying to like pivot
towards like COVID? Nothing I'm aware of, but I mean
these things are always topics it's good, is it like
I Am Legend? You know, those weren't vampires or zombies
per se, but it pretty much was well. I mean,
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I Am Legend. The Will Smith movie was such an insult.
I was just great, so disappointing that Richard Matheson was
dead by the time it came out, so he didn't
have to have that inflicted on him. The book I
Am Legend is really good and it was made as
a Vincent I mean, we're getting off track here, but
as a Vincent Price movie called The Last Man on Earth,
which is kind of creepy, and The Omega Man with
(25:44):
Charlton Heston, which saw that you might consider that cheesy
in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, but
it's really good. The Omega Man, it is, it is.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I haven't seen it in many, many years, but it
probably doesn't hold up, but it's probably still very good.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You're never going to see a true, fantastic, faithful adaptation
of I Am Legend, but you watched The Omega Man
for the magnificent Charlton Heston performance with that with that
chest hair when it was in and that overwrought, oh
my god delivery. Yes, but as far As twenty eight
(26:19):
years later, it goes, these are pretty quality movies, and
I can understand why Danny Boyle would not want it
ghetto wised with zombie movies, because those just got to
be the cheapest kind of horror movie you could make.
You slap some makeup on somebody, get your friends corraled
to work weekends for free. Call it a zombie movie.
Throw them some meat scraps from the butcher shop. But
these are really quality horror films. They're not They're not
(26:43):
the kind of stuff that Blumhouse, which I like, would
would crank out. Danny Boyle is a terrific A list director.
I mean, he did slum Dog Millionaire, he did Sunshine,
I think, the science fiction movie. So I guess I
can understand why he wouldn't want to be lumped in
with like, you know, lou Ful Chi Yeah, yeah, and Meagan.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
But I like all those things. But there's the whole
range in terms of quality. I fell asleep last night
watching The Middle One twenty eight weeks later, and you
know that's not bad. I didn't give it the best
review when it came out, and I got a Google
alert somebody like calling out my review from eighteen years ago.
It's like that's where movie criticism is at. At this point,
(27:25):
you're like looking for people who you can drag because
you think in retrospect they got stuff wrong eighteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I did not work as a movie critic as long
as you had and have Mark Ronner. But I do
know this after so many reviews. For me, I wasn't
enjoying movies. I was analyzing movies and it didn't seem
like it was as much fun. I couldn't go in
without the weight of looking at every single plot point
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and mcguffin device and trying to strip it down to
his basic foundation, as opposed to just watching a damn movie.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That happens to some people. And I get that.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
And I've known people who have been movie critics far
longer than me, and when we all used to go into,
say the same theater for a screening, I always call
them the undertakers because they didn't look like they were
having fun at their job. But the way I approach it,
and I think the way you could, is that you
just go in with a clear head and watch the
movie and then reverse engineer it when you come out
(28:27):
figure out. Okay, what works in that and what didn't?
Why did it have that effect on me that it did.
I don't go into a movie like with a checklist
or anything like that. I just look at it holistically.
I was gonna say, do you take notes? I used to,
but I never do now. Okay, and again it's the
whole spectrum. There's a guy from Seattle, and I think
he's actually freelancing for the Seattle Times now where I
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used to work. He used to scribble furiously for the
whole movie, to the point where you don't want to
sit next to him because the scribbling is so loud
it takes you out of the movie. And I'm like,
how are you even watching this? How are you processing?
Are you writing down the dialogue?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I had shorthand, just phrases that would remind me of
a thought I had that I want to make sure
I included in the review.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Also, you can get a lot of what you need
online after the fact now, so you don't need to
take furious notes during the movie. I mean when I
first started eons ago, like when Fred Flintstone was pushing
his car with the soles of his feet. You didn't
have IMDb. You can look at anything you need now
to the press kits. They're all electronic press kits now,
(29:35):
people who have boxes and boxes of the old folders
of press kits. They're worth nothing. I'm sorry, it's absolutely nothing.
They're just taking up room in your basement and or garage.
You were a fool not to throw them away at
the time, although you know, as an eBay denizen, I
know of a a slight few of them turn up
(29:56):
that are worth a lot of money. Those you can't afford.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Twenty eight years later, a review from Mark Ronner provided
he gets to see it tonight, Are you gonna go
with me to a midnight screening? Absolutely freaking not. You're
a godless coward. I am, and I will, well I could.
I'll be snoring by thirty minutes in.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
You're always snoring in the movie anyway. Well, but that's
because they're after midnight. All right, looks like we're not
gonna I'll just I'll just give you the word after
the movie.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Okay, we'll find out tomorrow together. I'm most over and
I've ever heard his voice. Yeah, yeah, sleep type mo.
All right, I can't stand you, Mark Ron.
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have kind of bounced around this subject.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
In the sense of sex and shame.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
There's usually a moral weight or anchor or albatross which
is put around many of our next as far as
sex being free in our expression and not disappointing our
parents as it were, or you know, running a foul
of our religion and moral all.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That kind of stuff. Where do you want to start
with this?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, I'm glad you brought religion up, as you know,
kind of a gateway into the shame discussion. Because I
was talking to a friend of mine. We both saw
a movie separately. It was the Phoenician Scheme just came out.
The Wes Anderson movie, a fun movie, entertaining movie. I
recommend it, not necessarily the best Wes Anderson movie, but
it's not bad. But he entire time couldn't stop talking
(01:52):
about Mia Thriepleton. I think that's how her name is pronounced.
She played a really, really hot nun in the movie,
and she like wore makeup and everything. They actually made
a point that nuns aren't supposed to wear makeup, but
she had that indulgence, and he could not stop talking
about how hot she was, like how sexy that he
thought that that nun was in the movie the whole time.
(02:15):
And I think it was kind of inadvertently letting me
know what his kink was, the thing that he was into.
And it got me thinking, what about that is so hot?
What about that idea is so sexy?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I mean, obviously the taboo, the taboo of the nun
participating engaging in the taboo of participating engaging in sex
with a nun.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And also from the thing that made it also really
clear in my head that came out was the idea
of the amount of shame that they can throw at
you from the position and also the amount of discipline
that they can throw at you using.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
God to guide that ruler across your knuckles. That kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And I know there's people out there right now thinking
about that like getting a little getting a little turned
on by because it's for some people they have sexualized
their shame and everybody, all of us, and one that
sexualized their shame. Yeah, say, for example, they feel like
some sense of religious shame and then they develop a
(03:17):
kink out of that shame. So that my friend may
have a kink sexually towards nuns that just based off
of that sense of shame that they feel around them personally.
Maybe they were shamed by a nun in the past,
told that they were behaving like a bad boy and
spanked or something, and that's the birthplace of that kink,
I guess for him. Now, everybody develops kinks differently, and
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it's something that shame a lot of time gets associated
with it religiously and for that specific you know that
nun position, that's a very dominant disciplinarian role.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Are you getting ready to get into like masochism? And
I'm knocking on the doorstep. I'll get to that. We'll
get to that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now. A lot of times people will act out their
sense their sexual shame unconsciously, either if they're by themselves
and if they're you know, masturbating, and then there you know,
a lot of times after they climax, they get that
sense of regret or shame afterwards, and they've it's because
a lot of times they've been told that's not okay,
don't do that. So a lot of times it's associated
(04:26):
with parents telling us what's right and wrong, and a
lot of times it gets associated with God and it
kind of gets blurred to you. If you do that
too much, your hair will start growing on your hand. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
And it reminds me. I saw I rewatched Kentucky Fried
movie and there's a scene in that that's greatly referenced
that exact joke, and it was really funny.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But that's the thing. There is socially a place for
some sexual shame.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Now I'm very much I tried to do my best
to not shame people based off of their kinks, their sexuality,
anything like that, but there is some place for social shame,
especially when it comes to matters of consent, if you're
violating boundaries, harming others without their consent, especially miners. There
is a place for social saving of specific sexual act.
(05:14):
But other than stuff like that, if you're doing stuff
consensually with other people unless you want shame introduced to it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I'm not going to be someone to shame anybody, and
that's you, that's me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I always say you like what you like, and if
you're not breaking any laws, I'm I'm not going to judge.
And I say that sincerely because look, when I say
you like what you like, I like what I like. Mark,
I assume likes what he likes.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I don't like anything.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Taualla likes what he likes, Stefan and so forth. I
don't think we're dealing with any virgens here. The point
I'm trying to make is we all like what we like,
and we probably would not want that under a spotlight.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now, there are a lot of people who have other ideas.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
In their head that they want to be able to communicate,
say with their partner, and they have a lot of
shame about it, so they don't communicate those desires with people.
And really, when those moments happen, I question how deep
of a connection those people have if they're so worried
about being judged off of something that they are into sexually.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But let me just say this, just over the fullness
of my dating history. Sometimes you have a connection with
someone and you may not be on the same wavelength
as far as depths of your sexuality, but the other
parts of the relationship are so strong that's more important.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Absolutely, And I like and I've been in those relationships
where they have had great solid ground for a lot
of good energy.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
We treat each other well, we coexist well with each other.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
But the idea of sex or having conversations about sex
immediately led to a lot of tension, stress, things that
made it really hard to actually connect and express desires
and needs and stuff like that. So a lot of times,
I mean it, peple get kink shamed. And that's what
they're afraid of, is that they're going to express this
idea that they they're into and they want to express
(07:06):
it to their partner, but they're terrified of what that
response is going to. I understand if Mark hypothetically were
to express to the long suffering one that he is
quietly a furry.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Yeah, you know, that might be a cause for friction
in the relationship. He has this other side to him psypothetically. Ever,
see a show called The New Zoo review. Nice callback
have something you need to know about anyhow, Yes, yes,
we get that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We got to stop right there because we got to
go to a commercial break. But on the other side,
where do you want to pick up exactly now? We
just talked about how sex gets acted out. A lot
of times shames get acted out sexually unconsciously. We're going
to talk about the stuff that you referred to. The
conscious ways that we act out are sexual shame BDSM
for example, Oh we going there tonight? Oh yeah, A
(07:59):
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Speaker 4 (08:13):
We live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and the iHeartRadio app.
The Sam the Sex Doctor is still in with us
giving us some needed advice. Sam. Before the break, we
were talking about sex and shame, some of the reasons
why we have these hang ups and how it may
play out in our relationships. And before the break you
(08:34):
told us that we're going to go into a darker
place now if you will.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, Well, we've been talking about unconscious acts of sexual
shame and acting them out, and a lot of times
that happens unconsciously.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
People aren't fully aware of it. Sometimes people do it
while they're dreaming.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But for people that are consciously aware of the connection
between sex and shame and they want to engage in
acting out that sexual shame, usually we associate those acts
with BDSM. Now BDSM, I'm sure everybody knows, is bondage, discipline, sadism,
and masochism. Some people will also call the the d
n s and that dom and sub Now there's a
(09:15):
lot of misconceptions. By the way, nuns that we were
talking about in the last segment, they are associated with
the discipline aspect of BDSMU.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
They have that real yeah and that every time.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Seriously, I'd be to see a nun with a ruler
in her hands and I'm immediately thinking along those lines.
But misconceptions, I have no problem on myself. I'm an
open book when it comes to this stuff, and i
have no problem discussing it because really, there's so much
about it without the actual act of it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
We're not here, that's just the basics of it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But if you want to go deeper into the subject,
there's so much of it that it gets there's so
many misconceptions and misunderstandings that people have about it that
they end up rejecting things that they may end up
if they allowed themselves to engage in those things, maybe
important may become important parts of their lives. A lot
of people who are within the BDSM community look at
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that as being a huge part of their lives.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Not all of their lives, but a big part of
their lives.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And that community expanded exponentially when the Internet kicked in,
because before it was very much a niche thing and
people carried quite a bit of shame about that kind
of stuff, and especially because a lot of times the
only time you ever saw any reference to it was
whenever shame was being brought in in motion pictures or
in porn, where it was specifically doing that.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Do I interpret this the right way when you say
the Internet changed all that is that because people then
found their community and found that they were less isolated.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Less isolated, and that the things that fall under the
umbrella of BDSM were not as socially shameful as people
were making them out to be. Because I mean, it
could be something as you know, quote unquote vanilla as
just you know, spanking. That's considered part of BDSM, and
it could. That's like one of the more basic vanilla
aspects of it. But when you get to you know,
(11:10):
the stuff that people tend to associate it, like with
things Yeah, autoerotic asphyxiation, things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, say that five times fast. I can't and I'm
not even gonna try. I will say something I'm not
allowed to say on the radio. The dumb button is
there for a reason.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Now, some of the misconceptions come around the idea, for example,
of who's in control when it comes to domination and submission.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Immediately on its face.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You're looking at domination, you're thinking power, and the person
who's the sub is the one who has no power.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
More often than not, that dynamic.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's not just a matter of control, it's power dynamics
that play between those two. The usually a lot of times,
what people don't understand about it is that the sub
is usually the one.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That has all of the power. Explain that as best
you can't.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
The act doesn't happen without them saying. That's where safe
words come into play. Absolutely, But their second that they
say no, that no has to be respected. Whoever the
other person is on the other end of it is
someone who probably has a lot of experience living with them,
working with them, to communicating those sexual needs and desires
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with them so that they can read them and communicate
verbally and nonverbally, to allow for the space for that,
so that they can go through something that otherwise would
be considered assault.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
They're doing something that's consensual. It's not assault.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
This is something that they're both consenting to and for
the sub they are giving someone else control, but they
maintain the power.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Talk to me about the psychological health benefits of having
this relationship and understanding which is fulfilling ostensibly for both parties.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the mental health aspect
of it because I'm a trauma therapist on top of
being a sex doctor. I do a lot of mental
health work with the VA and survivors of sexual trauma,
and I actually one of them. I have a lot
of ideas for dissertation topics, and this is one that
I explored and got talked out of. Was the impact
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of BDSM on people who have PTSD from combat.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Wow, that's a lot it is.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Now there have been research into PTSD survivors of sexual
trauma and BDSM, and what got explored there was the
level of like the loss of control that happens whenever
they had that personal violate, that boundary violated, and the
level of control that they regain in those moments. It's
it heals. It has a healing quality to it because
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maybe for the first time they're having their no respected
when someone is saying no, stop, someone is saying yes, ma'am,
And then they know how a.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Good partner knows aftercare after those moments.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
The thing that I tell people all the time, couples
within the BDSM community are the ones that have the
best communication patterns bar none. They have to the survival
physically and emotionally of both of them is completely reliant
on it.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
We had a very clinical discussion of topics which are
uncomfortable for many. Could I get you to stay around
for another segment, because we're just gonna go bargain basement,
real childish titillation when we come back. Yeah, And let
me just say it's size matters. From the other end
of the spectrum, the inverse of size fie matters. I
(14:40):
guess that's all I'll say for right now. If you're
watching the YouTube show. You know what's coming up? I
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
I AM six forty is Later with Mokelly. We're live
everywhere in the iHeartRadio appened. Let me just tell you this.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I'm watching the amount of viewers we have on our
YouTube channel. It has grown by like twenty five or so.
We get like anywhere between seventy and one hundred usually
consistent viewers. It grew like twenty twenty five and just
during the commercial break because they know this is a
there's a video component to the show and you can
(15:30):
see what the next subject is gonna be. So I'm
gonna try to be as adult about this in a
genuine way as possible. We've heard the term that size matters,
but it's usually in reference to a man, and sometimes
men can get caught up in the idea of measuring
up or not.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Did you know?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I can say confidently and honestly I did not
know this that it may not be up to the man.
In other words, it depends on.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
How deep the pool is.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
True, there's a study that says that the woman's secret garden,
I just call it that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The secret the secret gardens card.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
The secret garden can change its dimensions across a woman's
lifetime within a month, within various hormonal changes and sexual arousal.
For example, before puberty, the secret garden usually measures between
two point two inches and three point one inches in length.
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During puberty it increases, but because also hormones may change
the lining. Now as a woman becomes older, it will
extend up to maybe four point nine inches. So depending
on that woman's setual partners, depending on who she's experiencing,
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that man maybe perceived one way or another way, and
it has to do with the woman's changes, not the man.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I don't know that a lot of times, and usually
men worry about their size in relation to other men.
Women there's I mean, if there's a woman out there
who's into larger men, that's cool. That's their choice. They
call them size queens, and good for them. I'm okay
with that. That's their choice and that they can pursue
(17:35):
that in their lives, no problem. And they're toys that
can fulfill their needs. Now, The thing is, there's so
many guys that obsess over their size, where for a
lot of women, really it's not necessarily how deep it
all goes, because most of the nerves sexually are in
the first three inches. Like, there's reason why people whenever
they're showing you how to do certain things to pleasure
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women with their fingers, it's because it's not like people
have gigantic hands.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So it's because they if you have to know how
to operate in there.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Okay, so let's be honest. In there is a scientific
basis to motion of the ocean.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
There is some some people are in the enjoy having
something larger. Other people the idea of something larger is
something that's painful for them, so they want something.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
But going back to the story, it could be relative
to the physiology of the woman.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And at the end of the day, it's all up
to what the whoever that sexual partner is into. If
that partner is into a larger member, it may the
the size of their secret garden, if you will, would
be irrelevant. It's a matter of what just makes them
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happy and gives them pleasure of something that really, I
think the there's so much emphasis and weight put on
that not necessarily and obviously socially, but really individually.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
This goes back to what we were talking about earlier,
the shame, shame, sex and shame Yeah, where it could
be self.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Induced for a man absolutely where they are comparing themselves
sexually and like as far as like their actual physical
size and their virility to what they see in porn
and porn is not sexual reality. Yeah, porn is specifically
(19:32):
designed to cater to sexual fantasy of men, of men,
typically of men. It's specifically focused on catering to the
fantasies of men. That doesn't necessarily mean women aren't getting
anything out of it. There are many women out there
who are getting the exact same sexual arousal out of
watching pornography. Now, whether you want pornography legal or not,
(19:56):
that's another discussion and I'm not going to have it.
But the there's so much shame based off of men
judging themselves, off of people who are getting paid to
have fantasy sex. Fantasy sex is I mean, first off,
reality of sex is way messier than the fantasy of sex.
(20:18):
They don't show the cleanup, but really, if we're comparing
ourselves to guys, that spend their entire time basically working
out in the gym so that their bodies look one
hundred percent in shape, so that they can be this
physical ideal of what men should be, so that they
can go and have fantasy sex with the physical ideal
(20:38):
of what a quote unquote woman or whatever they are
having sex with, or whomever they are having sex within
that scene is.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
They are all catering to fantasy.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And if we are going to base ourselves and our
statures off of the fantasy versions of what we want,
we are going to always fall short.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
But don't we do that naturally? Because sex begins in
the mind. It has to do with our preconceived notions
about this, that, and the other. Now, those notions can
be shaped by our actual experiences, or it could be
shaped by the fantasy of media. I mean, because remember
you may not. We grew up at different times. Uh,
(21:20):
Mark and I are around the same age.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
For us. Growing up there was like the Seers catalog.
I'm being actually serious, I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Not no, no, seriously, people would look in the braw
section and that would for me. My generation was a
scrambled playboy on yes what you got? Yeah exactly ten?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So That's the thing is that, yeah, we all work
with well whatever we have, and a lot of people
will develop the sense of shame. Where you're saying exactly right,
Sex and sexuality really starts in the brain. And if
you are a lot of people look at their size
as their ability to give pleasure sexually to someone else.
(22:03):
And if you're gonna look at it from your brain
being the place where all sex and sexuality really originates,
and that's the biggest orogen ist zone. That's also the
place where you can educate yourself and learn how you
can pleasure other people in other ways.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
If you're feeling inadequate in that way, I.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Think we all need to just go home and just
have it a moment alone with ourselves and think about life.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Sam, I'd like to thank you for not using I'd
like to thank you for not using the borat term
wizard sleeve.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
See have done far worse, far worse if this was
after ten o'clock.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
One of my favorite activities is coming up with like,
and I do this in LIKE presentations and classes so
people can immediately lose the sense of shame and reluctance
to talk about the subject.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I have them give me whatever slang terms they can to.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Describe various body parts or acts, just so that they
can get the giggles out, so that they can get
a lot of that sense of shame out of the mix,
so that they can actually have a conversation without getting
it without it getting hijacked by somebody like blushing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Where's the fun without the shame? You just trying to
undermine all the good work.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I wanted you to chime in with like, because I'm sure,
I mean, you carry yourself as someone burdened by a
mountain of sexual.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It saves time. So do you charge by the hour?
Because I want to hear this session.
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And speaking of the show, tomorrow night, we will be
playing name that movie cult classic, probably not for prizes,
I know it's disappointment. Look, Tawala has been working very hard,
you know, but they don't give us prizes. We have
to go get them ourselves. We do, seriously, we have to.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
You know, we have to scratch a pocket seriously, so seriously, yes,
people will just have to do it for fun, you know,
we have to do it for fun. But also just
prior to that is The Runner Report starring our own
sexy Mark Ronner, Yes, starring.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mark. What is going to be on The Runner Report tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Well, with any luck, we're going to talk about twenty
eight years Later, which is the second sequel to twenty
eight Days Later? Yeah, yeah, because in days, weeks years,
I don't know what they're going to do next twenty
eight millennia later. I have no idea if they have
a third one lined up. But it's the zombie movie,
which director Danny Boyle insists is not about zombies. It's
(24:58):
about the infected. And I'm like, there's something it get
out of my it. Don't split hairs with me about
zombies and a zombie? Are you trying to like pivot
towards like COVID? Nothing I'm aware of, but I mean
these things are always topics it's good, is it like
I Am Legend? You know, those weren't vampires or zombies
per se, but it pretty much was well. I mean,
(25:21):
I Am Legend. The Will Smith movie was such an insult.
I was just great, so disappointing that Richard Matheson was
dead by the time it came out, so he didn't
have to have that inflicted on him. The book I
Am Legend is really good and it was made as
a Vincent I mean, we're getting off track here, but
as a Vincent Price movie called The Last Man on Earth,
which is kind of creepy, and The Omega Man with
(25:44):
Charlton Heston, which saw that you might consider that cheesy
in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, but
it's really good. The Omega Man, it is, it is.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I haven't seen it in many, many years, but it
probably doesn't hold up, but it's probably still very good.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You're never going to see a true, fantastic, faithful adaptation
of I Am Legend, but you watched The Omega Man
for the magnificent Charlton Heston performance with that with that
chest hair when it was in and that overwrought, oh
my god delivery. Yes, but as far As twenty eight
(26:19):
years later, it goes, these are pretty quality movies, and
I can understand why Danny Boyle would not want it
ghetto wised with zombie movies, because those just got to
be the cheapest kind of horror movie you could make.
You slap some makeup on somebody, get your friends corraled
to work weekends for free. Call it a zombie movie.
Throw them some meat scraps from the butcher shop. But
these are really quality horror films. They're not They're not
(26:43):
the kind of stuff that Blumhouse, which I like, would
would crank out. Danny Boyle is a terrific A list director.
I mean, he did slum Dog Millionaire, he did Sunshine,
I think, the science fiction movie. So I guess I
can understand why he wouldn't want to be lumped in
with like, you know, lou Ful Chi Yeah, yeah, and Meagan.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
But I like all those things. But there's the whole
range in terms of quality. I fell asleep last night
watching The Middle One twenty eight weeks later, and you
know that's not bad. I didn't give it the best
review when it came out, and I got a Google
alert somebody like calling out my review from eighteen years ago.
It's like that's where movie criticism is at. At this point,
(27:25):
you're like looking for people who you can drag because
you think in retrospect they got stuff wrong eighteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I did not work as a movie critic as long
as you had and have Mark Ronner. But I do
know this after so many reviews. For me, I wasn't
enjoying movies. I was analyzing movies and it didn't seem
like it was as much fun. I couldn't go in
without the weight of looking at every single plot point
(27:55):
and mcguffin device and trying to strip it down to
his basic foundation, as opposed to just watching a damn movie.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That happens to some people. And I get that.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
And I've known people who have been movie critics far
longer than me, and when we all used to go into,
say the same theater for a screening, I always call
them the undertakers because they didn't look like they were
having fun at their job. But the way I approach it,
and I think the way you could, is that you
just go in with a clear head and watch the
movie and then reverse engineer it when you come out
(28:27):
figure out. Okay, what works in that and what didn't?
Why did it have that effect on me that it did.
I don't go into a movie like with a checklist
or anything like that. I just look at it holistically.
I was gonna say, do you take notes? I used to,
but I never do now. Okay, and again it's the
whole spectrum. There's a guy from Seattle, and I think
he's actually freelancing for the Seattle Times now where I
(28:49):
used to work. He used to scribble furiously for the
whole movie, to the point where you don't want to
sit next to him because the scribbling is so loud
it takes you out of the movie. And I'm like,
how are you even watching this? How are you processing?
Are you writing down the dialogue?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I had shorthand, just phrases that would remind me of
a thought I had that I want to make sure
I included in the review.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Also, you can get a lot of what you need
online after the fact now, so you don't need to
take furious notes during the movie. I mean when I
first started eons ago, like when Fred Flintstone was pushing
his car with the soles of his feet. You didn't
have IMDb. You can look at anything you need now
to the press kits. They're all electronic press kits now,
(29:35):
people who have boxes and boxes of the old folders
of press kits. They're worth nothing. I'm sorry, it's absolutely nothing.
They're just taking up room in your basement and or garage.
You were a fool not to throw them away at
the time, although you know, as an eBay denizen, I
know of a a slight few of them turn up
(29:56):
that are worth a lot of money. Those you can't afford.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Twenty eight years later, a review from Mark Ronner provided
he gets to see it tonight, Are you gonna go
with me to a midnight screening? Absolutely freaking not. You're
a godless coward. I am, and I will, well I could.
I'll be snoring by thirty minutes in.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
You're always snoring in the movie anyway. Well, but that's
because they're after midnight. All right, looks like we're not
gonna I'll just I'll just give you the word after
the movie.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Okay, we'll find out tomorrow together. I'm most over and
I've ever heard his voice. Yeah, yeah, sleep type mo.
All right, I can't stand you, Mark Ron.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I'm all you can think about, Okay, if I am
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Speaker 1 (30:42):
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Speaker 2 (30:50):
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