July 11, 2025 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – “The Sex Doctor Is In” w/ Sam Zia, MA LMFT (#106352), PhD Candidate, Human Sexuality; delving into the debate between ‘Porn’ & ‘Rom Coms,’ and which destroys more relationships…PLUS – Thoughts on late actor Gary Coleman's Ex-Wife Shannon Price failing to pass the A&E lie detector test when asked questions regarding his death for the new A&E series “Lie Detector: Truth or Deception” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Sam Z sex doc He's a stop, He's a.
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iHeartRadio app and also YouTube, Instagram and Facebook and sam
Z of the sex doctors in And let me just
say right now, it's time to send the kids out
of the room. It's time to send the kids out
out of the room. We're going to have an adult
conversation about some adult things and it's not necessarily age
appropriate for folks who might be under the age of eighteen. Yes,
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so we're going to have a serious conversation, adult conversation
about adult things. SAMSA, Where should we start on this occasion. Well,
I'm currently, as you know, I'm doing my dissertation right now.
I'm doing it on adult film performers and mental health
and workplace conditions and things like that. And I was
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having a conversation with a friend of mine about the
impact of adult films porn on relationships. And there's this
running idea that I've been hearing a lot that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, porn ruins relationships and a lot of the
articles I've been reading that try to support that are
very different, like very concrete. It absolutely ruins relationships and
anything that. Anytime you see any kind of a study
that says absolutely this is the thing, it either has
to be one hundred percent absolutely the thing, or or
whatever that study is isn't an actual study. It's just
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an article and someone's expressing an opinion and they're trying
to put it under the guise of actual research.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
There has long been a stigma to not only pornography
but also performers within the industry. Oh yeah, Now, from
where you sit, is it something that is becoming less
stigmatized or we're moving any other direction.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I feel like there was a period there for a
while where it was becoming less stigmatized, including especially after
the pandemic, when a lot of not even performers, cam models,
people were looking for money and they needed to find
someplace to make any kind of money out during the pandemic,
their jobs shut down or whatever, so they turn to
OnlyFans and then get six figures really quick. It became
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more normalized there where I feel like now, I feel
like the industry itself is slowly becoming more stigmatized, just
based off of a lot of the political policy that
might be surrounding the industry. Currently, there's legislation going through
Texas where they're trying to outlaw well not necessarily outlawed,
but make it so you have to sign in with
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your driver's license on any adult site.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah. That's probably going to kill yeah the mood.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's gonna make it a lot harder for people
to want to go from point A to point B.
But we had the conversation about it not only like,
not just about adult films and porn and the impact
that it has on relationships, but the conversation turned to
what has the higher relationship body count porn or romantic comedy.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
As far as being the issue which breaks up a couple.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, the things that make it so that relationships go
in because everybody, like, the first thing you hear as
a negative about porn within relationships is that it sets
unrealistic expectations about sex. And that is true to an
extent because it's sex and porn is catering to fantasy,
it's not catering to reality. So you know, on average,
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guys that you find in adult film are way bigger
than the average guy, and women aren't built like they
are in the adult film industry as they are in
real life. Real sex is a lot messier. Porn doesn't
show the cleanup. It caters to fantasy and not sexual realities.
And that's where for a lot of people growing up,
for like you know, younger people when who have access
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to it on their phones endlessly comprehensive sex education is
something that's necessary to help people contextualize what they're seeing
in adult films.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I asked you about whether it's being more or less
stigmatized because we have a generation now which is grown
up with Only Fans and I wonder if they see that.
And if you don't know, OnlyFans is a site where
you can sign up and put out your own subscription.
You can show your feet, you can show your ass,
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you can show a lot of things. But it is
whatever you want to display. And people have become multimillionaires
almost overnight. But I don't know if people consider that porn.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
A lot of the people who who perform on webcams
do not view themselves as members of the adult film industry.
They view themselves as models, their cam models. If you
go to say, the AVNS in Las Vegas. It's a
you know, the adult film convention that they have where
they have the big award show. There's boots specifically set
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up for the cam models, and the performers themselves have
their own boots lined up whenever they're hanging out together.
As far as I saw in the experience that I
had there, cam models hung out in their own little
area with each other because they were familiar with each other,
and people who were porn stars contract talent were hanging
out with each other. But they still like they're in
the same vicinity with each other. They'll have drinks together
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and things like that. Now it has changed for the
adult film industry because there are moral laws seemingly you know,
on the horizon that are aimed to regulate the adult
film industry. So we'll take a look at that as
it evolves. But the idea of what has the higher
body count rom coms porny, I honestly think that rom
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coms have a higher relationship body count because rom com
set an unrealistic example and standards around relationships sex. I
unrealistic standards around sex are way easier to undo than
unrealistic standards about relationship.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You're saying Sleepless in Seattle has probably bodied some relationships.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I'd say yeah, because let's look at safe Sleepless in
Seattle for example, that was a movie where a woman
heard a guy talking on the radio about his wife
that he lost and he's a good dad and he's
a great guy. And every woman was sending the radio
station that he was on all the letters like oh
my god, this is the one most wonderful guy I've
ever heard, and everything like that, and one woman, Meg Ryan,
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is like, I really like this guy.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And then he she finds him and like goes out
of her way to try to establish a relationship, and
you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
More, it's yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's the thing is like when you see all these steps,
and there's a lot of those movies where it's guys
who are like, if I only do enough, and if
I only like show up enough and if I don't
give up, I can win her over.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
In the real world, that's called stocking. I can't put
it any other way.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So if a girl, you know, if a girl tells
you no, then in real life you need to take
the l move on to someone who's a better fit
than that. And it also it's part of a system
that keeps people in bad relationships because there's so many
rom coms and so many drama films that are out
there where people are like, I have to struggle and
I have to endure because that's what love and relationships
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are about. They start to identify the idea of love
with the feeling of struggle, where a lot where if
you're struggling that hard, then maybe that's not the right fit.
So romantic comedies, it's way easier to undo the unrealistic
expectations that are around sex that come from porn than
it is to undo the unrealistic expectations that go around
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relationships from rom coms.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
All right, let me push back on that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I could say, well, but with porn, there's usually a
disconnect because it's probably not both partners in a relationship
who are viewing it or see quote unquote entertainment value
in it, and that is part of the reason why
it may unravel a relationship.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, as opposed to a.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Rom com, where you're most likely we've all seen sleeping
since Seattle.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
We may have even.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Watched it with our spouse or or our girlfriend, boyfriend, whomever.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, well, and it leads to the next question that
I had listed here. Is porn allowed in relationships? Is
it cheating? And that it goes exactly to what you're saying.
If it's one person who's hiding this and they're not
communicating desires or needs sexually very well with each other,
then one person within the couple maybe using porn and
maybe you know, in consuming it and doing whatever they
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want to do while consuming it and hiding whatever their
behaviors are, and the consumption of the porn from their partner,
Now that's where that feeling of cheating and feeling of
like you're hiding something from me comes about.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
And really, at the end of it, porn.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I've seen relationships where porn is something that's off limits.
They can't talk that like they've communicated the boundaries around it.
If you have good communication skills with each other, if
that's something that you feel is not part of the relationship,
you guys, communicate the boundaries around it, you're fine. The
people who communicate boundaries really well around it are the
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couples that tend to are more likely to engage and
share watching it with each other. As a form of inspiration.
They draw not like inspiration, but they draw like an
idea of what they can engage with with each other.
And they're more willing to express their feelings, sexual desires
there the things that they want to get into without
the sense of shame that comes with it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Sam the Sex Doctor is in and he has more
for us in just a moment. Is Later with mo
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Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's part two of Sex Doctors in Sam Zeas we
talk about some more complicated aspects of relationships and also.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
The intricacies of how we maneuver our way through them.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Sam, we had started off talking about porn and relationships,
and then it turned into a conversation about rom comms,
which says to me, what we may think something is
and may not actually be that we may think of
rom comms as something that brings couples together because most
of the rom comms there are stories about man finds woman,
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woman finds man, they live happily ever after. And you
were saying no, if you look at the data, that
actually does more harm for relationships as far as meeting
unrealistic expectations as opposed to porn.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, well, because you have to look at it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That does porn ruin relationships depending on the relationship, if
it's one where you have that hard boundary saying no
porn and somebody keeps doing it secretly behind the other
person's back, and that leads to feelings getting hurt, deception
and all of that stuff that can lead to the
end of the relationship. But usually that's where those feelings
come from, is if if one person is keeping secrets
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from somebody else.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
But when those sexual fantasies.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
A lot of times people will watch porn because they
have a specific fantasy that they like and they may
not feel comfortable having a conversation about it with their partner,
or they might be a specific thing that they'd like
to try. They're going to adult film to get some
kind of visual representation of that fantasy, and then they
go and they hide that fantasy along with the porn
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that they just watched from their partner. If I'm that partner,
I'm gonna be pissed because you're not telling me what
you're into. You're not giving me an idea of like, yay,
you know what. You're not even giving me a chance
to see if this is something that I would be
into as well. And I'll give you a great example
of that.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
There's a story.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was at a club for adults a few years ago,
and I tend to have fun conversations with people there.
I've never really engaged in any kind of activity or
anything at any of these clubs, but I love having
conversations with people, especially like if you people who tend
to go outside and they like if they're having cigarettes
or like they're smoking a vape or whatever. I'll go
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outside and have conversations with people all the time because
there's so many boundaries that get brought down when you're
in a place where other people are actively engaging in
a lot of sexual behavior. So while I was at
one of these clubs, I was having a conversation with
this couple that showed up together and their thing was
that they go to this club once a month and
they'll find whoever else that they want to play with individually,
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not as a couple, do whatever they want, and at
the end of the night they reconvene and go home.
These two people went three years married together, not communicating
these needs or desires at all, but fantasizing about it
and being too ashamed to actually say anything about it.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
These are two professionals.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
These are two like high you know, lawyers at law firms,
And they had this desire individually, and they didn't communicate
about it for years, and then finally one person says,
you know, I'm kind of into this, and the other
person's like, oh my god, so am I. And that
made their relationship instantly tighter. They had a deeper level
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of communication, without a sense of shame around stuff that
is super duper secretive that they were holding onto it
for years out of a sense of fear that the
other person would judge them negatively if they communicated.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Okay, but that fear is not necessarily unwarranted. I'm quite sure.
If I scroll my memory, I can think of friends
and relationships as said hey, a guy friend mine said, hey,
I went my wife and I told her that, you know,
I want to.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Do this or experiment with this, and receive the very
negative reaction. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And and in some cases that forever changes the dynamic
of the relationship. I mean, I can understand why someone
would be reticent to share everything.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
You may love the person, but they you may not
know whether you can go there with them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, and if I mean think about it, if you're
opening yourself and making yourself up so vulnerable that you're
communicating something sexually that is super duper secretive, and you
get a lot of sexual arousal out of it, and
then you get shot down, like you get rejected and shamed.
Then immediately that feeling of arousal is it gets poisoned,
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it gets tainted. You have a hard time really reaching
back for it because now it's like something you've got
it sense, Oh exactly. So a lot of people will
hold on to those secrets with their entire for their
entire lives, and they'll be with a partner for their
entire lif never communicating their actual desire.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
All right, let me ask you this, aren't there some
things I let me put it in know way, I
happen to be of the opinion that some things are
meant to stay as a fantasy, not to be acted
out in reality.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Absolutely, there's a lot of things that should remain fantasy.
But communicating fantasy, I mean, if there I've worked with
couples where they were both interested in having a third
partner into the mix, but they were so afraid of
how each other would react that they didn't say anything
about it for years and then finally that like it
came out in a couple session. Yeah, we were totally
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into this, and it's like, well, then you guys need
to start discussing boundaries about what you guys are both
willing to do and have become like part of that
scene with that person in that moment. Because another issue
that comes up with people who are trying to do
that is that they don't communicate the boundaries ahead of time,
and then that's where feelings get hurt, because then you know,
if somebody says, like if somebody does something with a
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third person that wasn't communicated and boundaries weren't established around that,
then a person can come out of that feeling more
likely like hey, I didn't think that was going to happen.
I'm not happy about that. You got to communicate boundaries
like the biggest and most important thing within couples. I
guess the theme, like the overarching thing on all of
this is communicate those desires and needs you with your partner.
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And it's not just the willingness to communicate, to say it,
it's the willingness to hear it and not shame the
other person. Communication is two way road. You need to
be able to actually listen and receive and not shame
the other person who's allowing themselves to be vulnerable with
something they may have been holding on to for decades decades?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
How do you unrep last questions like how do you
unravel some of this.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Pent up shame feelings of taboo which may have permeated
your growth as a child into an adult. It could
be coming from religious and it could come from your parents,
could be both, coming from all sorts of avenues.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
How do you unravel that after a certain point in
your life?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
A lot of therapy, I mean, because really you have
to process a lot of where those feelings come from.
If you're doing it by yourself or with your friends,
your chances are you're probably just going to get stuff
that confirms whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Bias you have about yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
If you feel like it's something that's immediately a shameful thing,
and you're not talking to somebody who's a neutral person
that's just going to give you, like the reflection back
at you without the judgment, then you're more likely if
you're just going to hold onto your idea by yourself,
you're more likely to take that to the worst possible
place where it's like, this is not a good thing,
and it's like, you know what, maybe you need to
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communicate that with somebody who's a neutral party that can
actually hold up an honest mirror with you and not
a biased mirror. Not when where we're looking for our
own faults, we're actually looking at it from a place
where it's like, okay, let's get an understanding of where
that feeling came from. Where like stuff that happened with childhood,
stuff that happened throughout the formative years, the little things
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like that that led you to having that fantasy or
having that kink, whatever. Those things are doing it from
a place without shame, and it's hard for people to
open up about it because they have been shamed about
those Feelings Forever by Society.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Sam the Sex Doctor. You never disappoint Oh thank you.
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We're live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and the iHeartRadio app.
And some weeks ago we told you about how Gary Coleman,
the late Gary Coleman, his ex wife Shannon Price, was
upset at a documentary about Gary Coleman and I talked
about it was very good.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
It's a very good documentary.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's available on Peacock and it details the life and
times the eventual death of Gary Coleman, and Shannon Price
was prominently featured in it. It had the nine one
one call and also Shannon Price's response to the nine
one one call that she made the night that Gary
Coleman died and she was in the house and had
(19:17):
to do with some sort of fall. We never got
all the specifics of the fall that Gary had, which
basically resulted in some form of blunt force trauma. He
was taken to the hospital and died some days later.
And Shannon Price was number one the person who was
responsible for making the decision for them to pull the
(19:40):
plug on Gary Coleman. And also there was a question
of whether she had anything to do with his death
for obvious reasons, having nothing to do with her supposed
desire to get money from him. She was always accused
of someone being someone who was after or his money,
(20:01):
but there was always a question about whether she had
anything to do with his death. She recently said that
she was willing to take a lie detector test to
prove that she was telling the truth regarding the last
moments of Gary Coleman. She took the light detector tests.
Turns out she failed it. Now that's not definitive, but
(20:26):
it doesn't help her case. And during the test, the
test administer, excuse me, Shannon Price was asked three questions
by former FBI agent and test administrator George Olivo quote,
did you ever strike Gary during your relationship? Did you
ever intentionally decide to withhold help to Gary when he fell?
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And did you physically cause Gary to fall that day?
Shannon Price answered no to all three, but as it
turns out, she failed the exam. This this is what
Olivio had to say about where she was dishonest. Quote,
there's two things I know for sure, Shannon. One, you
were not completely honest with me yesterday during this polygraph section.
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And two the other thing I know that's one hundred
percent certain is that there is more to this story
that hasn't been told. And I don't know if it
really drills down as far as where exactly she may
have lied, but she was not able to pass the
light detector test as far as what she told about
that day and what happened to Gary in his supposed fall,
(21:37):
And Olivo said went on to say, quote, the body
never lies, the body always tells the truth. And your body,
talking about Shannon Price on that light detector test, spoke
loud and clear, there's something that caused you to fail
this test. And Shannon Price moved the goalposts and said
that she wasn't surprised by the results.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I don't think that a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Of textra tests is definitive, but I do know it
can provide some insight as to how truthful a person
may be. You know, she may not have been the
cause of Gary Coleman's death, but she might have not
rendered aid as quickly as possible. She may have and
I'm just spitballing here. She may have seen an opportunity
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because they were known for the types of arguments and
the incidents of physical violence between them over the years.
Not blaming either party, but they had a lot of
physical altercations where I could see a scenario where Shannon
Price realized, oh, his ass fell down the stairs.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
What a shame.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Thousand and one, thousand and two, thousand and three. Maybe
I should start thinking about calling nine to one one.
We'll never know exactly how quickly one thing happened and
then the next thing happened.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
But I, personally I believe that she had something to
do with something.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
My opinion means absolutely nothing, But it just seems like
this is a person who's just not honest about a
bunch of things.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
MO.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Have you ever taken a polygraph?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
No?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
I have not. I have, and I failed it when
I was telling the truth. So to say that this
is an exact science is a little and inexact. Rather,
science is a severe understatement. These things measure reactions, it's
not it's not a total omniscient truth decider.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But Mark, you're you're a habitual liar, So I don't.
I don't know if I can even believe you.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
You only you at the time, I was telling the
truth about whether or not I had any foreign intelligence contact.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
But it was it was just when you're being recruited
for the CIA, long long time ago. But it was
being serious.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I know, Yeah, but it was such an outrageous question.
Of course you're going to have a reaction. And I
don't know the answer in the Gary Coleman case that
you're talking about. But it's also a question that conceivably
could provoke a reaction whether or not you're telling the truth,
because it's an emotionally charged subject.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I got the film. The thing that we need to
pay attention to was what she said after the results
came in. She knew that. She said, I'm not surprised
when asked them in like, what, you didn't pass the thing?
She wasn't surprised that she didn't pass.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Yeah, that could mean anything, but it's not something I
would say if I was if.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I was telling the truth and I wasn't passing and
I didn't pass a polygraph, I would be shocked. I
would be like, hey, that's not right. I wouldn't be saying, oh,
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Well, the thing is, and just speaking from my own experience,
it's frustrating because if you know you're telling the truth
and the needle is still moving up and down, they're like, Okay,
what am I supposed to do here? I can't really,
you know. You see in the movies where expert spies
can control all their bodies' responses.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
You can't do that in real life. I can except
for you.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I just want to set the record straight for the
last time, for all the naysayers and all the negativity
out there, that I did not kill Gary Coleman. I
did not kill Gary Coleman.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Period.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I did not kill him.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Now, the profanity makes it real for me.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That convinced me when she threw in period and the
F bomb, Yes, that she's telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Foul language makes everything sound more authentic.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
She didn't say anything as far as like I did
not kill him. The fall may have killed him. I
certainly did nothing to save him.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And that's that great area where I think that her
truth or the truth actually exists.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Gravity killed him. That is so wrong. It was a
true star Different Strokes as a groundbreaking show. The audience
love Gary. He had a spirit about him. He was
almost an entertainer. If someone had told me my life
(26:08):
would have been like this early enough where I could
have got out, I would have got out.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
The actress parents and business advisors skimmed some of his earnings.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
They took seven hundred and seventy thousand dollars and gave
it to themselves.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I'd have taken that very deeply to heart.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
He said, I just wanted to say goodbye. I cannot
take this anymore.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
We cried.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
His life was wrought with disappointments. From nineteen eighty five
until his death, he lived with not a single kidney.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
All he wanted was to find somebody who he could love.
Their relationship was tumultuous. That's what I said. Work for
the death of Gary Coleman was suspicious.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I don't know what I can say without soon he
can think I did this because I'm the ex wife.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I'm the evil person right right.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
His life is a cautionary tale.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
A big man in this little kid's body, the greatest
child actor of all times.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Sertain performers that change our lives.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Who was one of them?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
If you get a chance to see it, it's Gary
on Peacock. It's really good. I have to tell you,
I'm on this whole documentary kick. Gary on Peacock is
pretty good, especially if you're a jed Exer and you
can remember firsthand the rise to fame and prominence of
Gary Coleman.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
There are tent poles and sign posts where he's like,
oh yeah, I remember that, Oh yeah, I remember that,
or you didn't know that, but you remember the success,
but not necessarily all the failures which happened along the way.
Shannon Price, she probably has something to do with it,
but it's not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I don't think we're ever going to really know the truth,
and we can just we can just speculate at this point.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's what we have these documentary statute of limitations as well.
It's not well it was murder, wouldn't have expired. But
I don't think there's any physical evidence which is connecting
her to the death of Gary Coleman. Kf IM six
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we're going to check in with George Snorri and we're
also going to preview to Wala and Mark going to
the movies. Wait, what aren't you guys going to nobody to? Okay,
(28:26):
never mind? Was that a secret that you're going to
hold hands? No, I didn't know we were going to
preview it though, this is news to me.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
No what you said. You guys were going to the
movies together.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
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Speaker 3 (28:43):
Mark and Twala are going to see Superman tonight. I
saw it last night. I will reserve judgment until both
Mark and Tuala have seen it. Uh, Mark, what is
your level of anticipation? Because I know that this is
arguably the most anticipated movie of the summer season, possibly.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Of the year. I'm excited to see it. They had
me at Crypto. I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
And I think James Gunn, who's the director and the
boss of DC Universe Movies, is a total nerd. He's
one of us, and so I've been trying not to
expose myself to anything that's going to spoil it. But overall,
I'm hearing good things, not uniformly, but overall.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Okay, all right, and I'm not going to spoil it
for you because I definitely want to have an unfiltered,
untainted movie review from you at some point, or we'll
get on the phone and talk or whatever, because I'm
very curious.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Yeah, I've been just ruminating on it lately, and I
think we need a Superman movie because Superman is good
and kind and decent, and I think people are starved
for that kind of thing, the same way they were
when Ted Lasso came on Apple TV.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's weird how Superman has been turned into this social
pariah political football to be bandied about, where it's now
controversial to be quote unquote nice.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
That's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I think if you have a problem with that, you're
telling on yourself.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I do too, and I saw this. If you look
this is the only thing I want to say. You
have to really look deep to find something political in
this movie. You have to strain your eyes because it's
not overt and it's almost like if you want to
(30:35):
read into it, yes, you will find it if you're
looking and determined to place your own views in the
movie somewhere.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Sure, But you know, comics and superheroes and their movies
are like any other kind of art they exist within
and satirize and comment on the times in which they're made.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
It would be weird not to have that in it.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I agree with you, unfortunately, but people seem to think
that there needs to be some sort of confirmation in
affirmation in the media that they support, Like I'm not
going to go to a movie unless it reflects by
political values.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
That's crazy. No, it's completely ignorant. And if you think
Superman is just about super punching everything, stay home and
do something else.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Or if you think Superman is only about the United States,
you've missed the point.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Absolutely, one hundred percent. Superman's your friend, no matter where
you come from. And you know, I went on a thing.
There was an old Superman ad against bigotry that I
looked up, and if you just google those words you'll
find it. But here's the spoiler. This is nothing new
when it comes to Superman. He's always been against bad guys. Yeah,
(31:51):
they might be telling on themselves, Mark, I'm afraid. So
I think we got some supervillains in the real world
these days.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Enjoy the movie. Let us know what you think.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
To Wala and I will hold hands and share a popcorn.
Don't put your hands on the popcorn the same time
careful
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Z of the sex doctors in And let me just
say right now, it's time to send the kids out
of the room. It's time to send the kids out
out of the room. We're going to have an adult
conversation about some adult things and it's not necessarily age
appropriate for folks who might be under the age of eighteen. Yes,
(01:10):
so we're going to have a serious conversation, adult conversation
about adult things. SAMSA, Where should we start on this occasion. Well,
I'm currently, as you know, I'm doing my dissertation right now.
I'm doing it on adult film performers and mental health
and workplace conditions and things like that. And I was
(01:30):
having a conversation with a friend of mine about the
impact of adult films porn on relationships. And there's this
running idea that I've been hearing a lot that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, porn ruins relationships and a lot of the
articles I've been reading that try to support that are
very different, like very concrete. It absolutely ruins relationships and
anything that. Anytime you see any kind of a study
that says absolutely this is the thing, it either has
to be one hundred percent absolutely the thing, or or
whatever that study is isn't an actual study. It's just
(02:03):
an article and someone's expressing an opinion and they're trying
to put it under the guise of actual research.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
There has long been a stigma to not only pornography
but also performers within the industry. Oh yeah, Now, from
where you sit, is it something that is becoming less
stigmatized or we're moving any other direction.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I feel like there was a period there for a
while where it was becoming less stigmatized, including especially after
the pandemic, when a lot of not even performers, cam models,
people were looking for money and they needed to find
someplace to make any kind of money out during the pandemic,
their jobs shut down or whatever, so they turn to
OnlyFans and then get six figures really quick. It became
(02:45):
more normalized there where I feel like now, I feel
like the industry itself is slowly becoming more stigmatized, just
based off of a lot of the political policy that
might be surrounding the industry. Currently, there's legislation going through
Texas where they're trying to outlaw well not necessarily outlawed,
but make it so you have to sign in with
(03:06):
your driver's license on any adult site.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah. That's probably going to kill yeah the mood.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's gonna make it a lot harder for people
to want to go from point A to point B.
But we had the conversation about it not only like,
not just about adult films and porn and the impact
that it has on relationships, but the conversation turned to
what has the higher relationship body count porn or romantic comedy.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
As far as being the issue which breaks up a couple.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, the things that make it so that relationships go
in because everybody, like, the first thing you hear as
a negative about porn within relationships is that it sets
unrealistic expectations about sex. And that is true to an
extent because it's sex and porn is catering to fantasy,
it's not catering to reality. So you know, on average,
(03:58):
guys that you find in adult film are way bigger
than the average guy, and women aren't built like they
are in the adult film industry as they are in
real life. Real sex is a lot messier. Porn doesn't
show the cleanup. It caters to fantasy and not sexual realities.
And that's where for a lot of people growing up,
for like you know, younger people when who have access
(04:19):
to it on their phones endlessly comprehensive sex education is
something that's necessary to help people contextualize what they're seeing
in adult films.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I asked you about whether it's being more or less
stigmatized because we have a generation now which is grown
up with Only Fans and I wonder if they see that.
And if you don't know, OnlyFans is a site where
you can sign up and put out your own subscription.
You can show your feet, you can show your ass,
(04:48):
you can show a lot of things. But it is
whatever you want to display. And people have become multimillionaires
almost overnight. But I don't know if people consider that porn.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
A lot of the people who who perform on webcams
do not view themselves as members of the adult film industry.
They view themselves as models, their cam models. If you
go to say, the AVNS in Las Vegas. It's a
you know, the adult film convention that they have where
they have the big award show. There's boots specifically set
(05:19):
up for the cam models, and the performers themselves have
their own boots lined up whenever they're hanging out together.
As far as I saw in the experience that I
had there, cam models hung out in their own little
area with each other because they were familiar with each other,
and people who were porn stars contract talent were hanging
out with each other. But they still like they're in
the same vicinity with each other. They'll have drinks together
(05:41):
and things like that. Now it has changed for the
adult film industry because there are moral laws seemingly you know,
on the horizon that are aimed to regulate the adult
film industry. So we'll take a look at that as
it evolves. But the idea of what has the higher
body count rom coms porny, I honestly think that rom
(06:03):
coms have a higher relationship body count because rom com
set an unrealistic example and standards around relationships sex. I
unrealistic standards around sex are way easier to undo than
unrealistic standards about relationship.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You're saying Sleepless in Seattle has probably bodied some relationships.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I'd say yeah, because let's look at safe Sleepless in
Seattle for example, that was a movie where a woman
heard a guy talking on the radio about his wife
that he lost and he's a good dad and he's
a great guy. And every woman was sending the radio
station that he was on all the letters like oh
my god, this is the one most wonderful guy I've
ever heard, and everything like that, and one woman, Meg Ryan,
(06:45):
is like, I really like this guy.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And then he she finds him and like goes out
of her way to try to establish a relationship, and
you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
More, it's yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's the thing is like when you see all these steps,
and there's a lot of those movies where it's guys
who are like, if I only do enough, and if
I only like show up enough and if I don't
give up, I can win her over.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
In the real world, that's called stocking. I can't put
it any other way.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So if a girl, you know, if a girl tells
you no, then in real life you need to take
the l move on to someone who's a better fit
than that. And it also it's part of a system
that keeps people in bad relationships because there's so many
rom coms and so many drama films that are out
there where people are like, I have to struggle and
I have to endure because that's what love and relationships
(07:32):
are about. They start to identify the idea of love
with the feeling of struggle, where a lot where if
you're struggling that hard, then maybe that's not the right fit.
So romantic comedies, it's way easier to undo the unrealistic
expectations that are around sex that come from porn than
it is to undo the unrealistic expectations that go around
(07:56):
relationships from rom coms.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
All right, let me push back on that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I could say, well, but with porn, there's usually a
disconnect because it's probably not both partners in a relationship
who are viewing it or see quote unquote entertainment value
in it, and that is part of the reason why
it may unravel a relationship.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, as opposed to a.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Rom com, where you're most likely we've all seen sleeping
since Seattle.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
We may have even.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Watched it with our spouse or or our girlfriend, boyfriend, whomever.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, well, and it leads to the next question that
I had listed here. Is porn allowed in relationships? Is
it cheating? And that it goes exactly to what you're saying.
If it's one person who's hiding this and they're not
communicating desires or needs sexually very well with each other,
then one person within the couple maybe using porn and
maybe you know, in consuming it and doing whatever they
(08:50):
want to do while consuming it and hiding whatever their
behaviors are, and the consumption of the porn from their partner,
Now that's where that feeling of cheating and feeling of
like you're hiding something from me comes about.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
And really, at the end of it, porn.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I've seen relationships where porn is something that's off limits.
They can't talk that like they've communicated the boundaries around it.
If you have good communication skills with each other, if
that's something that you feel is not part of the relationship,
you guys, communicate the boundaries around it, you're fine. The
people who communicate boundaries really well around it are the
(09:26):
couples that tend to are more likely to engage and
share watching it with each other. As a form of inspiration.
They draw not like inspiration, but they draw like an
idea of what they can engage with with each other.
And they're more willing to express their feelings, sexual desires
there the things that they want to get into without
the sense of shame that comes with it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Sam the Sex Doctor is in and he has more
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It's part two of Sex Doctors in Sam Zeas we
talk about some more complicated aspects of relationships and also.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
The intricacies of how we maneuver our way through them.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Sam, we had started off talking about porn and relationships,
and then it turned into a conversation about rom comms,
which says to me, what we may think something is
and may not actually be that we may think of
rom comms as something that brings couples together because most
of the rom comms there are stories about man finds woman,
(10:55):
woman finds man, they live happily ever after. And you
were saying no, if you look at the data, that
actually does more harm for relationships as far as meeting
unrealistic expectations as opposed to porn.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, well, because you have to look at it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That does porn ruin relationships depending on the relationship, if
it's one where you have that hard boundary saying no
porn and somebody keeps doing it secretly behind the other
person's back, and that leads to feelings getting hurt, deception
and all of that stuff that can lead to the
end of the relationship. But usually that's where those feelings
come from, is if if one person is keeping secrets
(11:33):
from somebody else.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
But when those sexual fantasies.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
A lot of times people will watch porn because they
have a specific fantasy that they like and they may
not feel comfortable having a conversation about it with their partner,
or they might be a specific thing that they'd like
to try. They're going to adult film to get some
kind of visual representation of that fantasy, and then they
go and they hide that fantasy along with the porn
(11:56):
that they just watched from their partner. If I'm that partner,
I'm gonna be pissed because you're not telling me what
you're into. You're not giving me an idea of like, yay,
you know what. You're not even giving me a chance
to see if this is something that I would be
into as well. And I'll give you a great example
of that.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
There's a story.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was at a club for adults a few years ago,
and I tend to have fun conversations with people there.
I've never really engaged in any kind of activity or
anything at any of these clubs, but I love having
conversations with people, especially like if you people who tend
to go outside and they like if they're having cigarettes
or like they're smoking a vape or whatever. I'll go
(12:36):
outside and have conversations with people all the time because
there's so many boundaries that get brought down when you're
in a place where other people are actively engaging in
a lot of sexual behavior. So while I was at
one of these clubs, I was having a conversation with
this couple that showed up together and their thing was
that they go to this club once a month and
they'll find whoever else that they want to play with individually,
(12:59):
not as a couple, do whatever they want, and at
the end of the night they reconvene and go home.
These two people went three years married together, not communicating
these needs or desires at all, but fantasizing about it
and being too ashamed to actually say anything about it.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
These are two professionals.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
These are two like high you know, lawyers at law firms,
And they had this desire individually, and they didn't communicate
about it for years, and then finally one person says,
you know, I'm kind of into this, and the other
person's like, oh my god, so am I. And that
made their relationship instantly tighter. They had a deeper level
(13:39):
of communication, without a sense of shame around stuff that
is super duper secretive that they were holding onto it
for years out of a sense of fear that the
other person would judge them negatively if they communicated.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Okay, but that fear is not necessarily unwarranted. I'm quite sure.
If I scroll my memory, I can think of friends
and relationships as said hey, a guy friend mine said, hey,
I went my wife and I told her that, you know,
I want to.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Do this or experiment with this, and receive the very
negative reaction. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And and in some cases that forever changes the dynamic
of the relationship. I mean, I can understand why someone
would be reticent to share everything.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
You may love the person, but they you may not
know whether you can go there with them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, and if I mean think about it, if you're
opening yourself and making yourself up so vulnerable that you're
communicating something sexually that is super duper secretive, and you
get a lot of sexual arousal out of it, and
then you get shot down, like you get rejected and shamed.
Then immediately that feeling of arousal is it gets poisoned,
(14:46):
it gets tainted. You have a hard time really reaching
back for it because now it's like something you've got
it sense, Oh exactly. So a lot of people will
hold on to those secrets with their entire for their
entire lives, and they'll be with a partner for their
entire lif never communicating their actual desire.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
All right, let me ask you this, aren't there some
things I let me put it in know way, I
happen to be of the opinion that some things are
meant to stay as a fantasy, not to be acted
out in reality.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Absolutely, there's a lot of things that should remain fantasy.
But communicating fantasy, I mean, if there I've worked with
couples where they were both interested in having a third
partner into the mix, but they were so afraid of
how each other would react that they didn't say anything
about it for years and then finally that like it
came out in a couple session. Yeah, we were totally
(15:35):
into this, and it's like, well, then you guys need
to start discussing boundaries about what you guys are both
willing to do and have become like part of that
scene with that person in that moment. Because another issue
that comes up with people who are trying to do
that is that they don't communicate the boundaries ahead of time,
and then that's where feelings get hurt, because then you know,
if somebody says, like if somebody does something with a
(15:56):
third person that wasn't communicated and boundaries weren't established around that,
then a person can come out of that feeling more
likely like hey, I didn't think that was going to happen.
I'm not happy about that. You got to communicate boundaries
like the biggest and most important thing within couples. I
guess the theme, like the overarching thing on all of
this is communicate those desires and needs you with your partner.
(16:18):
And it's not just the willingness to communicate, to say it,
it's the willingness to hear it and not shame the
other person. Communication is two way road. You need to
be able to actually listen and receive and not shame
the other person who's allowing themselves to be vulnerable with
something they may have been holding on to for decades decades?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
How do you unrep last questions like how do you
unravel some of this.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Pent up shame feelings of taboo which may have permeated
your growth as a child into an adult. It could
be coming from religious and it could come from your parents,
could be both, coming from all sorts of avenues.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
How do you unravel that after a certain point in
your life?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
A lot of therapy, I mean, because really you have
to process a lot of where those feelings come from.
If you're doing it by yourself or with your friends,
your chances are you're probably just going to get stuff
that confirms whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Bias you have about yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
If you feel like it's something that's immediately a shameful thing,
and you're not talking to somebody who's a neutral person
that's just going to give you, like the reflection back
at you without the judgment, then you're more likely if
you're just going to hold onto your idea by yourself,
you're more likely to take that to the worst possible
place where it's like, this is not a good thing,
and it's like, you know what, maybe you need to
(17:38):
communicate that with somebody who's a neutral party that can
actually hold up an honest mirror with you and not
a biased mirror. Not when where we're looking for our
own faults, we're actually looking at it from a place
where it's like, okay, let's get an understanding of where
that feeling came from. Where like stuff that happened with childhood,
stuff that happened throughout the formative years, the little things
(17:59):
like that that led you to having that fantasy or
having that kink, whatever. Those things are doing it from
a place without shame, and it's hard for people to
open up about it because they have been shamed about
those Feelings Forever by Society.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
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And some weeks ago we told you about how Gary Coleman,
the late Gary Coleman, his ex wife Shannon Price, was
upset at a documentary about Gary Coleman and I talked
about it was very good.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
It's a very good documentary.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's available on Peacock and it details the life and
times the eventual death of Gary Coleman, and Shannon Price
was prominently featured in it. It had the nine one
one call and also Shannon Price's response to the nine
one one call that she made the night that Gary
Coleman died and she was in the house and had
(19:17):
to do with some sort of fall. We never got
all the specifics of the fall that Gary had, which
basically resulted in some form of blunt force trauma. He
was taken to the hospital and died some days later.
And Shannon Price was number one the person who was
responsible for making the decision for them to pull the
(19:40):
plug on Gary Coleman. And also there was a question
of whether she had anything to do with his death
for obvious reasons, having nothing to do with her supposed
desire to get money from him. She was always accused
of someone being someone who was after or his money,
(20:01):
but there was always a question about whether she had
anything to do with his death. She recently said that
she was willing to take a lie detector test to
prove that she was telling the truth regarding the last
moments of Gary Coleman. She took the light detector tests.
Turns out she failed it. Now that's not definitive, but
(20:26):
it doesn't help her case. And during the test, the
test administer, excuse me, Shannon Price was asked three questions
by former FBI agent and test administrator George Olivo quote,
did you ever strike Gary during your relationship? Did you
ever intentionally decide to withhold help to Gary when he fell?
(20:47):
And did you physically cause Gary to fall that day?
Shannon Price answered no to all three, but as it
turns out, she failed the exam. This this is what
Olivio had to say about where she was dishonest. Quote,
there's two things I know for sure, Shannon. One, you
were not completely honest with me yesterday during this polygraph section.
(21:12):
And two the other thing I know that's one hundred
percent certain is that there is more to this story
that hasn't been told. And I don't know if it
really drills down as far as where exactly she may
have lied, but she was not able to pass the
light detector test as far as what she told about
that day and what happened to Gary in his supposed fall,
(21:37):
And Olivo said went on to say, quote, the body
never lies, the body always tells the truth. And your body,
talking about Shannon Price on that light detector test, spoke
loud and clear, there's something that caused you to fail
this test. And Shannon Price moved the goalposts and said
that she wasn't surprised by the results.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I don't think that a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Of textra tests is definitive, but I do know it
can provide some insight as to how truthful a person
may be. You know, she may not have been the
cause of Gary Coleman's death, but she might have not
rendered aid as quickly as possible. She may have and
I'm just spitballing here. She may have seen an opportunity
(22:21):
because they were known for the types of arguments and
the incidents of physical violence between them over the years.
Not blaming either party, but they had a lot of
physical altercations where I could see a scenario where Shannon
Price realized, oh, his ass fell down the stairs.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
What a shame.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Thousand and one, thousand and two, thousand and three. Maybe
I should start thinking about calling nine to one one.
We'll never know exactly how quickly one thing happened and
then the next thing happened.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
But I, personally I believe that she had something to
do with something.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
My opinion means absolutely nothing, But it just seems like
this is a person who's just not honest about a
bunch of things.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
MO.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Have you ever taken a polygraph?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
No?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
I have not. I have, and I failed it when
I was telling the truth. So to say that this
is an exact science is a little and inexact. Rather,
science is a severe understatement. These things measure reactions, it's
not it's not a total omniscient truth decider.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But Mark, you're you're a habitual liar, So I don't.
I don't know if I can even believe you.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
You only you at the time, I was telling the
truth about whether or not I had any foreign intelligence contact.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
But it was it was just when you're being recruited
for the CIA, long long time ago. But it was
being serious.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I know, Yeah, but it was such an outrageous question.
Of course you're going to have a reaction. And I
don't know the answer in the Gary Coleman case that
you're talking about. But it's also a question that conceivably
could provoke a reaction whether or not you're telling the truth,
because it's an emotionally charged subject.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I got the film. The thing that we need to
pay attention to was what she said after the results
came in. She knew that. She said, I'm not surprised
when asked them in like, what, you didn't pass the thing?
She wasn't surprised that she didn't pass.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Yeah, that could mean anything, but it's not something I
would say if I was if.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I was telling the truth and I wasn't passing and
I didn't pass a polygraph, I would be shocked. I
would be like, hey, that's not right. I wouldn't be saying, oh,
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Well, the thing is, and just speaking from my own experience,
it's frustrating because if you know you're telling the truth
and the needle is still moving up and down, they're like, Okay,
what am I supposed to do here? I can't really,
you know. You see in the movies where expert spies
can control all their bodies' responses.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
You can't do that in real life. I can except
for you.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I just want to set the record straight for the
last time, for all the naysayers and all the negativity
out there, that I did not kill Gary Coleman. I
did not kill Gary Coleman.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Period.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I did not kill him.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Now, the profanity makes it real for me.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That convinced me when she threw in period and the
F bomb, Yes, that she's telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Foul language makes everything sound more authentic.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
She didn't say anything as far as like I did
not kill him. The fall may have killed him. I
certainly did nothing to save him.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And that's that great area where I think that her
truth or the truth actually exists.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Gravity killed him. That is so wrong. It was a
true star Different Strokes as a groundbreaking show. The audience
love Gary. He had a spirit about him. He was
almost an entertainer. If someone had told me my life
(26:08):
would have been like this early enough where I could
have got out, I would have got out.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
The actress parents and business advisors skimmed some of his earnings.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
They took seven hundred and seventy thousand dollars and gave
it to themselves.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I'd have taken that very deeply to heart.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
He said, I just wanted to say goodbye. I cannot
take this anymore.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
We cried.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
His life was wrought with disappointments. From nineteen eighty five
until his death, he lived with not a single kidney.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
All he wanted was to find somebody who he could love.
Their relationship was tumultuous. That's what I said. Work for
the death of Gary Coleman was suspicious.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I don't know what I can say without soon he
can think I did this because I'm the ex wife.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I'm the evil person right right.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
His life is a cautionary tale.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
A big man in this little kid's body, the greatest
child actor of all times.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Sertain performers that change our lives.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Who was one of them?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
If you get a chance to see it, it's Gary
on Peacock. It's really good. I have to tell you,
I'm on this whole documentary kick. Gary on Peacock is
pretty good, especially if you're a jed Exer and you
can remember firsthand the rise to fame and prominence of
Gary Coleman.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
There are tent poles and sign posts where he's like,
oh yeah, I remember that, Oh yeah, I remember that,
or you didn't know that, but you remember the success,
but not necessarily all the failures which happened along the way.
Shannon Price, she probably has something to do with it,
but it's not going to change anything.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I don't think we're ever going to really know the truth,
and we can just we can just speculate at this point.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's what we have these documentary statute of limitations as well.
It's not well it was murder, wouldn't have expired. But
I don't think there's any physical evidence which is connecting
her to the death of Gary Coleman. Kf IM six
forty we're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. When we come back,
we're going to check in with George Snorri and we're
also going to preview to Wala and Mark going to
the movies. Wait, what aren't you guys going to nobody to? Okay,
(28:26):
never mind? Was that a secret that you're going to
hold hands? No, I didn't know we were going to
preview it though, this is news to me.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
No what you said. You guys were going to the
movies together.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
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Speaker 3 (28:43):
Mark and Twala are going to see Superman tonight. I
saw it last night. I will reserve judgment until both
Mark and Tuala have seen it. Uh, Mark, what is
your level of anticipation? Because I know that this is
arguably the most anticipated movie of the summer season, possibly.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Of the year. I'm excited to see it. They had
me at Crypto. I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
And I think James Gunn, who's the director and the
boss of DC Universe Movies, is a total nerd. He's
one of us, and so I've been trying not to
expose myself to anything that's going to spoil it. But overall,
I'm hearing good things, not uniformly, but overall.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Okay, all right, and I'm not going to spoil it
for you because I definitely want to have an unfiltered,
untainted movie review from you at some point, or we'll
get on the phone and talk or whatever, because I'm
very curious.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Yeah, I've been just ruminating on it lately, and I
think we need a Superman movie because Superman is good
and kind and decent, and I think people are starved
for that kind of thing, the same way they were
when Ted Lasso came on Apple TV.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's weird how Superman has been turned into this social
pariah political football to be bandied about, where it's now
controversial to be quote unquote nice.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
That's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I think if you have a problem with that, you're
telling on yourself.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I do too, and I saw this. If you look
this is the only thing I want to say. You
have to really look deep to find something political in
this movie. You have to strain your eyes because it's
not overt and it's almost like if you want to
(30:35):
read into it, yes, you will find it if you're
looking and determined to place your own views in the
movie somewhere.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Sure, But you know, comics and superheroes and their movies
are like any other kind of art they exist within
and satirize and comment on the times in which they're made.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
It would be weird not to have that in it.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I agree with you, unfortunately, but people seem to think
that there needs to be some sort of confirmation in
affirmation in the media that they support, Like I'm not
going to go to a movie unless it reflects by
political values.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
That's crazy. No, it's completely ignorant. And if you think
Superman is just about super punching everything, stay home and
do something else.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Or if you think Superman is only about the United States,
you've missed the point.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Absolutely, one hundred percent. Superman's your friend, no matter where
you come from. And you know, I went on a thing.
There was an old Superman ad against bigotry that I
looked up, and if you just google those words you'll
find it. But here's the spoiler. This is nothing new
when it comes to Superman. He's always been against bad guys. Yeah,
(31:51):
they might be telling on themselves, Mark, I'm afraid. So
I think we got some supervillains in the real world
these days.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Enjoy the movie. Let us know what you think.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
To Wala and I will hold hands and share a popcorn.
Don't put your hands on the popcorn the same time
careful
Speaker 1 (32:09):
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