March 25, 2025 • 35 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A look at the Weekend Box Office AND a list of the “top monster movies of all time” according to Looper…PLUS - Gary Hoffman from the ‘Gary and Shannon Show’ joins the program with a review of the new Netflix limited series ‘Adolescence’ – on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And of course this week is all about snow White.
It had a budget of two hundred and nine million dollars.
Of course it came in at number one, but that's
really not the story. It's about whether it will still
be able to connect with audiences. It depends on whether
you believe these critics or whether you believe these folks.
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And I'll say this Twitter sphere who are hating on
the movie, and there are people like me who are
completely indifferent because I've never been a fan of Disney
Live action. But snow White came in with forty two
million domestically, forty three million internationally well balanced, for a
total of eighty six million in his first week.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It all depends on the second week drop off, but
I'm quite sure it's less than what the Disney company
had hoped.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And again I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Consistent in this regard Disney movies not doing well hurts
individual movie theaters because you need these movies to carry
movie theaters until we get to the summer months.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
This is just March.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
This was a big movie for a lot of movie theaters,
and if it underperforms, that just hurts movie theaters. So
I'm not saying you need to run out and see it.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that
there are consequences and implications for these movies underperforming for
reasons having nothing to do with the movie itself, whether
it's good or bad. We know the various controversies as
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far as Galagadutt and her public proclamations regarding Hamas and
what's going on in the Middle East and Israel. And
we know about the actress who's playing snow White. She's
half Latina and half Polish and her skin is a
little too dark to be called snow white.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
For some people.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Those are the controversies, air quotes wherever we want to
put them. I'm not gonna watch the movie. I'm not
gonna help it out. I don't care to wallet. You
and your family have seen all the Disney live actions, right,
We've seen.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
A lot of them. This is not one that anyone
wants to see. I'm not gonna go see. My daughter's
not gonna go see. No one wants to go see.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
This one any particular reason, just not atual it doesn't
look good.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It doesn't look good, it doesn't look interesting, The trails
don't look good. The original Snow White, the animated film.
It predates my daughter's interest in like even when she
got into films, those older animated films are like yeah,
so they didn't really hit with her. So this is
the one that's not like high on the list at all.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Coming in.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Number two's Black Bag. In it's second week, it's gross
to total of twenty three billion, which is nothing. Again,
you know, those are the movies which are not really
helping movie theaters stay in business. Number three in a
six week Captain America Brave New World. It's still in
twenty nine hundred theaters. This is an example, an example
what we mean. This is a movie which has been
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in theaters for six weeks, almost like forty two days
of theaters being open and being able to lean on
the movie. It brought in four million over the weekend.
It crossed the four hundred million dollar boundary. You know,
I think that's gonna be good enough. That's about as
far as this movie's gonna go. It may get to
about four hundred and ten million, but that'll be it.
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But none of the other movies are actually performing at
all from the other studios. Novacated in its second week
has brought in a total of twenty million. These movies
are insufficient for theaters. Mickey seventeen. We heard the review
of that by not one but two people. That surprisingly
has been able to bring in one hundred and nine million.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And I think it's like three weeks. Yeah, this third week.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And after that there are no other major movies which
are doing anything at all.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And twelve. What's the next major release that we know of.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't know if anything is coming out anytime soon. Yeah,
that's really I mean May May is the next major
release with the Oh well, there's The Accountant to in April.
That's not major? Wells right, yes, not enough people know
about The Accountant or remember it. I mean, yes, it's
got a good cast, but I promise you that one's
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not gonna do anything.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know a movie I do want to see and
it's also not major. The Amateur. Yeah, yes, I'm excited
about that. I wanted to the theater to see.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
The original version of that is streaming on Hulu right
now from the early eighties, and it is a very
good movie.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I'm sure, it's not going to have anything. Uh, it's
not going to do anything to lift.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
The box offices. It's not.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, it's probably we wanted to, but it's not. And
we have Sinners, which I also want to see. I'm
seeing that you're going to go see that in theaters.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, we're gonna to go and see it, but you know,
it will probably be the only two people in there, you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Think, really, Yeah, I think so. I think it has
a limited audience appeal. It may have a boost because
of word of mouth. I'm hearing tremendous word of mouth
about it, but I don't know if it's going to
have a huge first weekend box office draw.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's just a vampire movie. It seems
really really inslur in who they're going after the promotion
for it. They're not going huge with this one. I
think the team between Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler,
great team. They always knock it out the box. But
this one, this one's not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, there's nothing major coming until May, as Twila was saying, May,
and that's about a month and a half, if not
more away that these movie theaters are going to have
to struggle, and then you put undue weight and expectation
on these summer block busters to make up for the
past three four months in which people were not going
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to the theaters. Now, you can hate on Disney movies
all you want, but you're also going to see the
demise of your local movie theaters.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
There's no other way around it. You need these movies
to do well if you care about those theaters. Hey, man,
I saw that I forgot. I forgot. This whole idea
was so forgettable. It was horrible.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I watched that Electric State movie. That film was pooh pooh,
well raw poop, I'm gonna finish.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It's one of the few times it just gave up.
Oh man, Oh no, don't go back. Oh that's all
I know, trash.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
People didn't realize that they were making it or you know.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that was the best edited version of it, you know,
of all the edits they did, that was the best
version of what they could put together.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Man, they're talking about a sequel.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Oh no, because in the end they tell you why
there's going to be a sequel. There's a thing that'll
never find out, and it's so lame. When it happens,
it's like, well, what was the point? Literally, I literally
screen when I saw the tea's for the sequel, I said,
you've got to be blanking kidding me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
What was the whole point? Just tell me this. This
is all I want to know.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And if you don't want to hear this, turn off
your radio right now because this is gonna be spoiler.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Tawala.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Did they ever find the body of the brother and
wake them up? They found the body of the brother. No,
they did not wake him up. Therein lies the sequel.
You literally like, seriously, if it wasn't my whole TV,
I would have thrown it. I would have thrown the TV.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I said to myself, you're kidding me right now, that's
what that's the sequel.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm so hot right now. Talk about bad plot twists.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
They telegraphed that one so obviously from the very opening scene.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, you knew exactly. No no, no, no, no. And
here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
As soon as because of your description of how easy
it was to read the film the very first scene,
I said to myself, you've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's not what they're about do are they? Then when
they did it?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I said, oh no, And it wasn't even good how
they did it.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
It wasn't even good. I was like, this is what
you're gonna do? That was supposed to be big plot twist.
No so mad, Oh so mad? We told you not
to want you Stevin. Did you watch it yet? I
was going to it. I would not be your friend
if I said no. Telling you not only was I
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bored the entire time, but then you get angrier and
angrier and anger as it goes, because then, oh man,
accept the hate, bring it inside yourself. It was so bad.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Wow, you've got You've got something better to do than
watch that movie.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know what that is? Anything? Anything?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
When we come back, we got to tell you about
the top monster movies of all time, and we'll see
if we can get some sort of agreement on this.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
The top monster movies of all time.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Growing up, I loved me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Some monster movies wore the gargantuas obviously Godzilla Gamera. Usually
the Japanese monster movies were the best with the use
of the miniatures, but generally monster movies across the board
absolutely loved them. So when I came across this list
of the best monster movies of all time, yes, I'm skeptical.
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And if you are into movies, you're familiar with the
website Looper dot com. I'm familiar with Looper. I like Looper.
I like WHATLY have to say. I'm not so sure
that I agree with this list, and I'm going to
rely heavily on Mark Ronner to either co sign or
disagree with my thoughts about this list. I'm ready with
the hate Island of Lost Souls. Oh that's a good one, Okay,
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I have not seen that one. The Island of Doctor
Moreau was the remake of that. Oh, okay, very creepy, okay,
all right. The Host two thousand and six, Yeah, that's
the Korean movie. I think Bong June Hoe. Correct, you're
not going to believe it. But I didn't make it
all the way through that one. I know a lot
of people love.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It, all right. That means it's not what the.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Best mine is the minority opinion on that. It's very popular.
Nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It was not only a box office failure, it was
not critically acclaimed, but it's definitely now a cult classic.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
The Thing.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yeah, he was so ahead of his time, John Carpenter,
and we shouldn't talk about him like he's dead either,
but the Thing, big trouble in Little China. He was
way ahead of his time. He is a genius and
I just over the weekend. It's funny you bring this up.
There were plans for a two part TV mini series
on the Sci Fi Channel to make a sequel, the
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Return of the Thing, and that's worth going down a
rabbit hole, a rabbit hole about if you've never heard
of it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
A genuine sequel.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
In other words, we find out what happens after Kurt
Russell and Keith Davis's characters sitting outside the facility.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Well, in this sequel, they're supposedly found frozen and it
takes up with the Thing infecting the entire world.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Okay, I'd like to see that.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'd like to see that because I hated this so
called Thing sequel, which is actually a prequel, and it
didn't have any of the same magic.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It was really dumb.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I think that was the one with Mary Elizabeth Winstead
and they just crawl into the alien craft through like
vent in the side because they had, because they get fit. Yeah,
when you're in deep space you need vents.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Also on this list, the Blob, I guess for historical sake.
I didn't care for the movie, but you know, for
the original Blob with fifty eight, Yeah, that's the Blob
is you got to put things in their context in
the late fifties, that was some quality stuff and I
definitely agree with this. Next one, an American werewolf in London.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I know that. Don't piss me off, No, don't piss
me off.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
It's a horror comedy and I never thought it went
far enough in either direction.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But everybody loves it, Yes everybody. Don't be the one
who does not I like it.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I don't love it. The Creature from the Black.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Lagoon yep, yeah, uh knots Farautu A Symphony of Horror
nineteen twenty two.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Sure, I guess. I guess.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's a great double build if you want to watch that.
And the latest one from Robert Eggers.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
This one I think has to be on every list.
If not, there's something wrong with you Alien, no question,
this masterpiece. Yeah yeah, it just happens to be set
in space.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But I love it more as the years passed. When
I saw it as a kid, I thought it was
kind of decent. Love the score Jerry Goldsmith again. And
then the more I see it and I read Walter
Hill's script recently, that thing is just airtight.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
One thing I appreciated about this movie is they didn't
show you the alien every step of the way. They
usually showed just a little piece of the alien, and
you saw the fear in the eyes of the crew
as it was getting ready, they were getting ready to
get killed.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Oh yeah, it was terrifying, especially with the claustrophobia of
the ship and the low lighting and the That was
the first movie that really showed like a dingy future, right.
It wasn't all star trek. Everything was spit polished. Alien
is a masterpiece.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Not only that, it had a great, great cast. Yeah,
talking about John Hurt obviously Sigourney Weaver before she was
Sigourney Weaver, but you had Tom Scarett, Harry Dean, Stanton Yafet, Coto,
Ian Holm, just great actors in their own respective rights.
Just it was a wonderful, wonderful movie. And of course
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the nineteen fifty four version of Godzilla, Oh sure.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Wait, the not the one that added Raymond Burr in correct,
Well you don't like Raymond in it? I love Raymond Burr,
but the original played it a lot straighter and was
a lot more disturbing. It was a post World War
two nuclear movie. Yes, yes, that one. And Horror of
Dracula to close it out. Oh, absolutely, the Hammer film
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from the late fifties with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing.
That has got the best ending of any Dracula movie
of all time. Do you know what I'm talking about
with this? Have you seen it? No?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I have not.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, Van Helsing and Dracula are in their final face
off and it looks like Van Helsing has had it.
He's toast, but he jumps up on the table, sprints
across and jumps and grabs the curtains and pulls them
down and gets Dracula in the sunlight, and then we
watch him disintegrate. It's really good, and I just spoil
it for everybody, but you know, it's a Dracula movie.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
What else is going to happen? It's about the only
way he's going to die, so you know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I've also forgot Veronica Cartwright in Alien.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
She really sold the terror of it. Didn't she, Especially
when the little baby alien bursts out of the chest.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh yeah, she goes absolutely ham in that scene. And
she did the same thing for Invasion of the Body Snatcher.
She was like your go to person if you wanted
to sell a hard forgot about that right now. Why
isn't Frankenstein on this list? Couldn't tell you. It's a
horrible list. I can't tell you. It's not in there.
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It's not in there.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I mean there's kind of the perfunctory ones, like the
universal monsters, Frankenstein, the Wolfman, the Mummy. I say, the
Invisible Man can eat it. I don't need him on
the list. He's not even technically a monster. Yeah no,
not in here. Not in here.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You think there's any missing there are?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I just hadn't spent enough time to think of it,
you know, as far as monster movies go.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And here's something else if you're going to include that
hammer Dracula. The Horror of Dracula, which they just called
Dracula in the UK. Brides of Dracula is maybe even better.
It's the second one, and Christopher Lee's not in it,
and Van Helsing kills the vampire at the end of it.
By jumping on a windmill and catching the vampire in
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the cross shadow that it makes it's really good.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
What ussis roughly sixty.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Ish sixty sixty sixty one, Okay, I have to look
it up, but it's in that ballpark.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
When we come back, we're going to speak to Gary Hoffman.
He recommended this Netflix limited series Adolescence to me. Can
you didn't tell me a lot about it, He said,
just go watch it. He told me that there was
a one shot for the first episode, and I'm thinking
it's just for the first episode, but it was all
four episodes. If you don't know what a one shot is,
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maybe there's some tricky editing. We'll talk about it, but
it looks like it's just one continuous camera scene across
multiple locations, sets, driving, walking down halls. It is fantastic
up to a point. We'll talk to Gary Hoffman next.
I am six forty we live everywhere I Heart Radio app.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Forty And the other day when I was sitting in
for Bill Handle, Gary Hoffman came into the studio and
I don't know how we got there, but he started
telling me, I guess he just asked me, have you
seen Adolescents on Netflix? And I said I had seen
some of the previews, but I didn't really know anything
about it, and Gary said, you got to see it.
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And he realized somewhere while watching it that each episode
is a one shot and if you don't know what
a one shot is, it is what it sounds. It
is one camera shot, no edits, and the episodes are
an hour long each each episode only four episodes. It's
a limited series takes place on a different day in
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this saga. So let me bring into the common station,
Gary Hoffman, of course, of Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Gary, my friend, my brother. How are you this evening.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
I just finished that fourth episode about an hour ago,
so I'm still amazed at I'm amazed at how they
did this show, and I'm amazed at the I think
it's getting the appropriate amount of praise. It's, you know,
the number one stream show. When it debuted, it was
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the number one stream Netflix show in the UK. Now
it's the number one show in the world. Just after
the course of about a week and a half of
this thing being being up on the on the platform.
It's an amazing. It's an amazing story. But it is also,
as you alluded to, the technical aspects of what they
did to make this show. They blow my mind.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And it follows the story of Jamie, who's played by
Owen Cooper's thirteen years old, and it starts with a
police raid on his house and Jamie's accused of a
murder we don't know of whom, We don't know the circumstances, why,
or anything. It starts very abruptly. And here's a little
bit of the trailer.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Nice, what are you looking for. You're making a big mistake,
DoD I haven't done anything.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
He's a group.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Kay.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Then Jamie, I want you to listen carefully.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm going to start off with asking you do you
know a girl called Katie Leonard? Yeah, describe each other
as friends? Then is she?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Then that's all I'm going to give him. I'm not
gonna give him any more, Garret, because I don't want to.
I don't want to know any more than that.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
No, it's great. Listen the Owen Cooper is thirteen years old.
Play like you said, play Jamie. This this kid who
is accused of this crime, and and he has never
acted in anything before. He wasn't in drama club in school,
he wasn't in any sort of theater production. This was
the first thing he's ever done. And I found this
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out today. I mean, if you've seen the show, we
don't want to give away any spoilers, but if you've
seen the show, the third episode is him talking to
a therapist, a psychoanalyst. I guess you could call it.
That was the episode that was shot first. They shot
him out of order, and just the performances between the
two main actors there, Owen Cooper and then Aaron Doherty
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played the therapist. That hour long performance uncut, unedited, I
mean it was it was hard to believe that that
kid had never done anything before, one.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Hour, unedited, no cuts.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
You know, if they were ad libbing, I couldn't tell,
but the range of emotions in that episode would think
that this is a.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Classically trained actor from this child.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yeah, it's listen and the outside of the performances, it's
written incredibly well. Stephen Graham and Jack Thorne were the writers.
Stephen Graham actually plays Jamie's dad in the whole thing,
and he is just an absolute powerhouse through all four episodes.
But think about I mean in cinemaon TV, there have
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been attempts at doing one shots like this before, and
I think the one that immediately stuck out to me
when I you mentioned it when you were doing the
lead in. I recognized, I don't know, maybe four or
five minutes if even that into the first episode where
they raid the house and they take the kid to
the police station, I said. I turned my wife and
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I said, this is I think this is all in
one shot, or at least it's one shot up to
this point. And she said, yeah, but they probably edited,
and I said, of course they edited. We know that
because you can't just do one shot for an entire hour,
because it would be physically impossible to do. The one
shot that I remember that I just can't describe the
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emotional impact of it is Danny on his tricycle in
the shining one shot of following him through the hallways
in that I think is the best example of it,
because it proves that a long shot like that only
builds tension. There's no relief, there's no letdown, there's no blink,
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there's nothing you can't look away from it. And that
was the perfect example of why you would do a
shot like that, And then in this show, each minute
adds a layer of tension or frustration, or anger or curiosity,
and there's no wiping away of any of it by
switching the scene, by cutting by a musical interlude, although
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there's music in it, but I mean, there's nothing thing
that allows your body to kind of relax and catch
its breath. It's an hour later, and I think that
when my wife and I would watch these, we'd spend
five or ten minutes afterwards, almost in complete silence, like
what just what just happened?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
How?
Speaker 7 (23:17):
How did they do that? How could they possibly do that?
The second episode with all the kids in the school
play the school yard, I mean, and the drone at
the end, I'm blown away by it. I was looking
up the categories for Emmys, and there's clear I mean,
this is it's March, so it's not like it's, you know,
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in Stone, but this is the clear leader in the
clubhouse for acting, for casting, for cinematography, for directing, for
lighting design, for technical direction and camera work, for writing.
The only Emmy that this show is not going to
win is the Emmy for Outstanding Picture Editing. That's the
only thing It's not going to win.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And this is not al you mentioned a drone.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You have like a school yard scene and you're following
all these kids and the drone takes you to the
other side of the town and it picks up another
scene in rhythm. I don't know how they coordinated these
hundreds of people because you're going from classroom, the classroom,
the classroom outside to another part of town with the
drone and it's seamless because it is one shot. I
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don't know, And part of it was like I almost
had to rewind some of the things, like.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
How did they even manage this?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
How did they even schedule all the extras and the
people to be moving around at the right time and
not miss the shot, because without giving it away, they're
covering a lot of physical ground in these scenes.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah, well I did, because I was when I was
telling you about it, and I was frossing at the
mouth last week. I waited until tonight, until I finished
the fourth episode to do any sort of the research
for the What they did behind the scenes, and they
talked about it, it was more like they were preparing
for a stage show, like it was a theater, because
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you get one take in theater. You have plenty of rehearsals, obviously,
but you get one take in theater. And what they
did was they would rehearse, they planned everything out for
about three or four weeks, and then set aside one
week for each episode, and they were going to do
two takes each day for five days, so they were
going to they're planned out to do ten takes of
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each episode. I mean, just think that. That's mind blowing,
how much work that is, and everything from the technical direction,
the choreography, passing the camera between different not just between
different camera men and women, but the different equipment because
sometimes it was on a dolly that was attached to
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the car. Sometimes it was on a drone, like you said,
where they would literally hook it to the drone, fly
the drone over to this other parking lot, and then
another camera man unhooks it from the drone and carries it.
Now technically you don't see the camera shutter, it doesn't vibrate,
it doesn't shake. Just a testament to how much those
guys worked on getting just the most minute details now
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down and perfect.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I'm not going to give away the end. It's
only four episodes.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's a limited series, but Gary, would you agree with
me that there was more to be told?
Speaker 7 (26:22):
You mean like it didn't end completely correct? I yes,
I mean it felt like that there is there's more
to a story. There could be. There are questions that
I would have that I would ask the writers if
I had them, But it also is I mean, that
fourth episode is difficult to watch if you're a parent,
if you have kids, if you know kids. It is
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a difficult episode to watch because it's a Yes, Jamie
is the main character. He's a kid, he's going through
you know what he's going through a teenager adolescent life
in a first world country brings with it bag. But
the story is more about, at least in that fourth episode,
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how the parents have to deal with what their kid
is or maybe did or is accused of doing. And
it's just I mean, it's stunning. It's absolutely stunning. But yeah,
I did ask some questions at the end.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I think if to best enjoy this, you will find
yourself in this story. Somewhere you're going to identify with
the parent, or you're going to identify with the neighbor
who's not so sure of what might have happened at
this neighbor's house and how you would treat that person
if you encounter them in town. It's just brilliant, beyond words,
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and this is perfect example of this would not have
been made if not for a streaming platform like Netflix.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Yes, yeah, that's a great point. You would not have
been able to do this in a mini series on television.
I think The X Files, that fantastic show. They did
one episode that was four one shots, four one ers,
each of them eleven minutes long to make an hour long,
you know, sci fi show. That's as close as I
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can never think of a popular show doing that on
network television. I mean, you know you and I are
fans of Daredevil. They did a great one warner in
a hallway fight scene in the first season. They did
a prison fight scene in the third season that we're
both of those one shots. But you're right, you can't.
That avenue of creativity would not exist if it weren't
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for a streaming service like this that wanted to pick
this thing up.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Gary, you have me more recommendations you got for me?
You're doing pretty damn well. Right, Let you go.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
We've been we cleanse our palettes with Clarkson's farm, which
is Jeremy Clarkson from top Gear et cetera. He started
a farm in Chadlington, just northwest of London, and it's
absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I'll take you up on that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And just in case you're tuning in late, I've been
speaking to Gary Hofn obviously one half of Gary and Shannon.
You can listen to them weekdays here on KFI from
nine am to one pm. Go out and I should
go out, No, put on Netflix and see Adolescens. I
don't think I've seen anything as compelling and I would
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say revolutionary and filmmaking in my life, no exaggeration.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
I completely agree. This is one of those probably top
five television shows I think I've ever seen in my life. Yeah,
it's going to change the way they do to people
try to do things from now.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
On, Gary, my brother, my friend. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Thanks, Ma appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And I told you from the first segment what my
final thought was going to cover. It's the biggest story
in the world, and I mean in the world. In fact,
when I leave here tonight, I still got to do
an interview with the BBC because the world is wanting
to ask us what the hell happened, And it's kind
of hard to call it fake news when you texted
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the editor in chief of a major publication yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's kind of.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Hard to play the whole anonymous leaker game when it's
you and seventeen other people who are listed by name
and or their numbers in a text chat.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Kind of hard to do.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
The White House said today it was reviewing how the
editor in chief of the Atlantic magazine was accidentally added
their words to a group text in which people who
appeared to be members of President Donald Trump's administration discussed
plans to launch airstrikes against UTI militants in Yemen. Let
me step in here and help everybody out. Make it
real simple. There's nothing to review. We all know how
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to add people to a group text. We all know
what it's like to accidentally add the wrong person, or
text the wrong person, or drunk text the wrong person.
Trust me, I know all about that. I've done it all,
and I'm kind of an expert on this, so I'm
more than qualified to opine. I've had more than a
few drunk texts to my name. I'm not proud of it,
but I'll tell the truth. What I don't know is
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how and why clearly classified information, including military operations, strategy,
and strike specifics, found their way into a private as
a non government agency system text chat which included non
government phones. For that, I have no answer. I got nothing.
I don't know how or why the Secretary of Defense
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thought SMS or MMS emojis and gifts or the appropriate
delivery mechanism for top secret attack plans.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I can't get in that man's mind.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
But I damn sure know what drunk texts look like.
And this seems like the behavior of someone drunk texting literally,
you know, not exercising good judgment.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
But forget all that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We all know it's no big deal, at least according
to the Trump administration emails on non government servers back
in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Now, that was a big deal. Hillary Clinton, lock her up.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Remember that classified documents in a bathroom that you refuse
to give back even after the FBI sends over a subpoena. Nah,
that's not a big deal. Texting military ops specifics to
everybody and them mama and accidentally a journalist.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Nah, not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I would rather you tell me that national security never
was and never will be a thing. Just say that
lie to me. I would rather you tell me that
than try to pretzel yourself into a not arguing that
Hillary Clinton's emails were somehow worse than Pete's emoji's. We
know that Vice President JD. Vance was part of that
text thread. We know that Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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was also part of the text thread. We know that
John Ratcliffe, CIA director was also part of the thread,
and so we can alsoly rightfully assume that Telsea Gabbert,
Director of National Intelligence, Christy Nolans, Secretary of Homeland Security,
and Cash Mattel FBI director will also on that thread.
Given their likely need to know basis, just spoof any
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and all of their numbers and sect deaf peat will
probably tell you anything you want to know. If not
for the patriotism, and I do mean patriotism of Jeffrey
Goldberg to neither go public nor share the privilege and
classified info in advance, the world could have been a
very different place today. Mission would have been compromised, and
American servicemen and women would have been in more of
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harm's way. Oh Remember when people demanded Lloyd Austin, then
Secretary of Defense, demanded that he resigned for having a
medical procedure and just not telling the president. Remember that,
Oh good times, I tell you, good times. But this
is where I must, I must invoke the roach theory
once again. It's not the roach you see which should
(33:49):
concern you, but all the ones you don't see. Do
you really think this is the one and only top secret,
slash highly classified information being bandied about.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
On Verizon, Sprint or T mobile bandwidth? Of course, of
course it isn't.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You Just don't start texting seventeen of your closest government
friends and giving them specifics on a military strike and
not have sixteen of them object unless that was a
standard form of communication. And let me be honest here,
I'm not mad, I'm not out outraged. I'm not even surprised.
I'm just saying, miss me with any supposed concerns about
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national security or China mining our secrets and data via
TikTok when all they need to do is hack US telecoms.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Oh that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Remember when the Wall Street Journal reported on January fifth,
the Chinese hack of US telecoms had compromised more firms
than previously known. That hack comprised of AT and T,
Verizon T Mobile in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five.
You think they don't already know about the careless and
casual mode of communication between our defense apparatus or apparati.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
And of course this week is all about snow White.
It had a budget of two hundred and nine million dollars.
Of course it came in at number one, but that's
really not the story. It's about whether it will still
be able to connect with audiences. It depends on whether
you believe these critics or whether you believe these folks.
(00:27):
And I'll say this Twitter sphere who are hating on
the movie, and there are people like me who are
completely indifferent because I've never been a fan of Disney
Live action. But snow White came in with forty two
million domestically, forty three million internationally well balanced, for a
total of eighty six million in his first week.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It all depends on the second week drop off, but
I'm quite sure it's less than what the Disney company
had hoped.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And again I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Consistent in this regard Disney movies not doing well hurts
individual movie theaters because you need these movies to carry
movie theaters until we get to the summer months.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
This is just March.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
This was a big movie for a lot of movie theaters,
and if it underperforms, that just hurts movie theaters. So
I'm not saying you need to run out and see it.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that
there are consequences and implications for these movies underperforming for
reasons having nothing to do with the movie itself, whether
it's good or bad. We know the various controversies as
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far as Galagadutt and her public proclamations regarding Hamas and
what's going on in the Middle East and Israel. And
we know about the actress who's playing snow White. She's
half Latina and half Polish and her skin is a
little too dark to be called snow white.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
For some people.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Those are the controversies, air quotes wherever we want to
put them. I'm not gonna watch the movie. I'm not
gonna help it out. I don't care to wallet. You
and your family have seen all the Disney live actions, right,
We've seen.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
A lot of them. This is not one that anyone
wants to see. I'm not gonna go see. My daughter's
not gonna go see. No one wants to go see.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
This one any particular reason, just not atual it doesn't
look good.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It doesn't look good, it doesn't look interesting, The trails
don't look good. The original Snow White, the animated film.
It predates my daughter's interest in like even when she
got into films, those older animated films are like yeah,
so they didn't really hit with her. So this is
the one that's not like high on the list at all.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Coming in.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Number two's Black Bag. In it's second week, it's gross
to total of twenty three billion, which is nothing. Again,
you know, those are the movies which are not really
helping movie theaters stay in business. Number three in a
six week Captain America Brave New World. It's still in
twenty nine hundred theaters. This is an example, an example
what we mean. This is a movie which has been
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in theaters for six weeks, almost like forty two days
of theaters being open and being able to lean on
the movie. It brought in four million over the weekend.
It crossed the four hundred million dollar boundary. You know,
I think that's gonna be good enough. That's about as
far as this movie's gonna go. It may get to
about four hundred and ten million, but that'll be it.
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But none of the other movies are actually performing at
all from the other studios. Novacated in its second week
has brought in a total of twenty million. These movies
are insufficient for theaters. Mickey seventeen. We heard the review
of that by not one but two people. That surprisingly
has been able to bring in one hundred and nine million.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And I think it's like three weeks. Yeah, this third week.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And after that there are no other major movies which
are doing anything at all.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And twelve. What's the next major release that we know of.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't know if anything is coming out anytime soon. Yeah,
that's really I mean May May is the next major
release with the Oh well, there's The Accountant to in April.
That's not major? Wells right, yes, not enough people know
about The Accountant or remember it. I mean, yes, it's
got a good cast, but I promise you that one's
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not gonna do anything.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know a movie I do want to see and
it's also not major. The Amateur. Yeah, yes, I'm excited
about that. I wanted to the theater to see.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
The original version of that is streaming on Hulu right
now from the early eighties, and it is a very
good movie.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I'm sure, it's not going to have anything. Uh, it's
not going to do anything to lift.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
The box offices. It's not.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, it's probably we wanted to, but it's not. And
we have Sinners, which I also want to see. I'm
seeing that you're going to go see that in theaters.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, we're gonna to go and see it, but you know,
it will probably be the only two people in there, you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Think, really, Yeah, I think so. I think it has
a limited audience appeal. It may have a boost because
of word of mouth. I'm hearing tremendous word of mouth
about it, but I don't know if it's going to
have a huge first weekend box office draw.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's just a vampire movie. It seems
really really inslur in who they're going after the promotion
for it. They're not going huge with this one. I
think the team between Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler,
great team. They always knock it out the box. But
this one, this one's not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, there's nothing major coming until May, as Twila was saying, May,
and that's about a month and a half, if not
more away that these movie theaters are going to have
to struggle, and then you put undue weight and expectation
on these summer block busters to make up for the
past three four months in which people were not going
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to the theaters. Now, you can hate on Disney movies
all you want, but you're also going to see the
demise of your local movie theaters.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
There's no other way around it. You need these movies
to do well if you care about those theaters. Hey, man,
I saw that I forgot. I forgot. This whole idea
was so forgettable. It was horrible.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I watched that Electric State movie. That film was pooh pooh,
well raw poop, I'm gonna finish.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It's one of the few times it just gave up.
Oh man, Oh no, don't go back. Oh that's all
I know, trash.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
People didn't realize that they were making it or you know.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that was the best edited version of it, you know,
of all the edits they did, that was the best
version of what they could put together.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Man, they're talking about a sequel.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Oh no, because in the end they tell you why
there's going to be a sequel. There's a thing that'll
never find out, and it's so lame. When it happens,
it's like, well, what was the point? Literally, I literally
screen when I saw the tea's for the sequel, I said,
you've got to be blanking kidding me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
What was the whole point? Just tell me this. This
is all I want to know.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And if you don't want to hear this, turn off
your radio right now because this is gonna be spoiler.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Tawala.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Did they ever find the body of the brother and
wake them up? They found the body of the brother. No,
they did not wake him up. Therein lies the sequel.
You literally like, seriously, if it wasn't my whole TV,
I would have thrown it. I would have thrown the TV.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I said to myself, you're kidding me right now, that's
what that's the sequel.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm so hot right now. Talk about bad plot twists.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
They telegraphed that one so obviously from the very opening scene.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, you knew exactly. No no, no, no, no. And
here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
As soon as because of your description of how easy
it was to read the film the very first scene,
I said to myself, you've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's not what they're about do are they? Then when
they did it?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I said, oh no, And it wasn't even good how
they did it.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
It wasn't even good. I was like, this is what
you're gonna do? That was supposed to be big plot twist.
No so mad, Oh so mad? We told you not
to want you Stevin. Did you watch it yet? I
was going to it. I would not be your friend
if I said no. Telling you not only was I
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bored the entire time, but then you get angrier and
angrier and anger as it goes, because then, oh man,
accept the hate, bring it inside yourself. It was so bad.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Wow, you've got You've got something better to do than
watch that movie.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know what that is? Anything? Anything?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
When we come back, we got to tell you about
the top monster movies of all time, and we'll see
if we can get some sort of agreement on this.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
The top monster movies of all time.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Growing up, I loved me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Some monster movies wore the gargantuas obviously Godzilla Gamera. Usually
the Japanese monster movies were the best with the use
of the miniatures, but generally monster movies across the board
absolutely loved them. So when I came across this list
of the best monster movies of all time, yes, I'm skeptical.
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And if you are into movies, you're familiar with the
website Looper dot com. I'm familiar with Looper. I like Looper.
I like WHATLY have to say. I'm not so sure
that I agree with this list, and I'm going to
rely heavily on Mark Ronner to either co sign or
disagree with my thoughts about this list. I'm ready with
the hate Island of Lost Souls. Oh that's a good one, Okay,
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I have not seen that one. The Island of Doctor
Moreau was the remake of that. Oh, okay, very creepy, okay,
all right. The Host two thousand and six, Yeah, that's
the Korean movie. I think Bong June Hoe. Correct, you're
not going to believe it. But I didn't make it
all the way through that one. I know a lot
of people love.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It, all right. That means it's not what the.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Best mine is the minority opinion on that. It's very popular.
Nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It was not only a box office failure, it was
not critically acclaimed, but it's definitely now a cult classic.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
The Thing.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yeah, he was so ahead of his time, John Carpenter,
and we shouldn't talk about him like he's dead either,
but the Thing, big trouble in Little China. He was
way ahead of his time. He is a genius and
I just over the weekend. It's funny you bring this up.
There were plans for a two part TV mini series
on the Sci Fi Channel to make a sequel, the
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Return of the Thing, and that's worth going down a
rabbit hole, a rabbit hole about if you've never heard
of it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
A genuine sequel.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
In other words, we find out what happens after Kurt
Russell and Keith Davis's characters sitting outside the facility.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Well, in this sequel, they're supposedly found frozen and it
takes up with the Thing infecting the entire world.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Okay, I'd like to see that.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'd like to see that because I hated this so
called Thing sequel, which is actually a prequel, and it
didn't have any of the same magic.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It was really dumb.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I think that was the one with Mary Elizabeth Winstead
and they just crawl into the alien craft through like
vent in the side because they had, because they get fit. Yeah,
when you're in deep space you need vents.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Also on this list, the Blob, I guess for historical sake.
I didn't care for the movie, but you know, for
the original Blob with fifty eight, Yeah, that's the Blob
is you got to put things in their context in
the late fifties, that was some quality stuff and I
definitely agree with this. Next one, an American werewolf in London.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I know that. Don't piss me off, No, don't piss
me off.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
It's a horror comedy and I never thought it went
far enough in either direction.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But everybody loves it, Yes everybody. Don't be the one
who does not I like it.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I don't love it. The Creature from the Black.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Lagoon yep, yeah, uh knots Farautu A Symphony of Horror
nineteen twenty two.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Sure, I guess. I guess.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's a great double build if you want to watch that.
And the latest one from Robert Eggers.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
This one I think has to be on every list.
If not, there's something wrong with you Alien, no question,
this masterpiece. Yeah yeah, it just happens to be set
in space.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But I love it more as the years passed. When
I saw it as a kid, I thought it was
kind of decent. Love the score Jerry Goldsmith again. And
then the more I see it and I read Walter
Hill's script recently, that thing is just airtight.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
One thing I appreciated about this movie is they didn't
show you the alien every step of the way. They
usually showed just a little piece of the alien, and
you saw the fear in the eyes of the crew
as it was getting ready, they were getting ready to
get killed.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Oh yeah, it was terrifying, especially with the claustrophobia of
the ship and the low lighting and the That was
the first movie that really showed like a dingy future, right.
It wasn't all star trek. Everything was spit polished. Alien
is a masterpiece.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Not only that, it had a great, great cast. Yeah,
talking about John Hurt obviously Sigourney Weaver before she was
Sigourney Weaver, but you had Tom Scarett, Harry Dean, Stanton Yafet, Coto,
Ian Holm, just great actors in their own respective rights.
Just it was a wonderful, wonderful movie. And of course
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the nineteen fifty four version of Godzilla, Oh sure.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Wait, the not the one that added Raymond Burr in correct,
Well you don't like Raymond in it? I love Raymond Burr,
but the original played it a lot straighter and was
a lot more disturbing. It was a post World War
two nuclear movie. Yes, yes, that one. And Horror of
Dracula to close it out. Oh, absolutely, the Hammer film
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from the late fifties with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing.
That has got the best ending of any Dracula movie
of all time. Do you know what I'm talking about
with this? Have you seen it? No?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I have not.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, Van Helsing and Dracula are in their final face
off and it looks like Van Helsing has had it.
He's toast, but he jumps up on the table, sprints
across and jumps and grabs the curtains and pulls them
down and gets Dracula in the sunlight, and then we
watch him disintegrate. It's really good, and I just spoil
it for everybody, but you know, it's a Dracula movie.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
What else is going to happen? It's about the only
way he's going to die, so you know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I've also forgot Veronica Cartwright in Alien.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
She really sold the terror of it. Didn't she, Especially
when the little baby alien bursts out of the chest.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh yeah, she goes absolutely ham in that scene. And
she did the same thing for Invasion of the Body Snatcher.
She was like your go to person if you wanted
to sell a hard forgot about that right now. Why
isn't Frankenstein on this list? Couldn't tell you. It's a
horrible list. I can't tell you. It's not in there.
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It's not in there.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I mean there's kind of the perfunctory ones, like the
universal monsters, Frankenstein, the Wolfman, the Mummy. I say, the
Invisible Man can eat it. I don't need him on
the list. He's not even technically a monster. Yeah no,
not in here. Not in here.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You think there's any missing there are?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I just hadn't spent enough time to think of it,
you know, as far as monster movies go.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And here's something else if you're going to include that
hammer Dracula. The Horror of Dracula, which they just called
Dracula in the UK. Brides of Dracula is maybe even better.
It's the second one, and Christopher Lee's not in it,
and Van Helsing kills the vampire at the end of it.
By jumping on a windmill and catching the vampire in
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the cross shadow that it makes it's really good.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
What ussis roughly sixty.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Ish sixty sixty sixty one, Okay, I have to look
it up, but it's in that ballpark.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
When we come back, we're going to speak to Gary Hoffman.
He recommended this Netflix limited series Adolescence to me. Can
you didn't tell me a lot about it, He said,
just go watch it. He told me that there was
a one shot for the first episode, and I'm thinking
it's just for the first episode, but it was all
four episodes. If you don't know what a one shot is,
(16:51):
maybe there's some tricky editing. We'll talk about it, but
it looks like it's just one continuous camera scene across
multiple locations, sets, driving, walking down halls. It is fantastic
up to a point. We'll talk to Gary Hoffman next.
I am six forty we live everywhere I Heart Radio app.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Forty And the other day when I was sitting in
for Bill Handle, Gary Hoffman came into the studio and
I don't know how we got there, but he started
telling me, I guess he just asked me, have you
seen Adolescents on Netflix? And I said I had seen
some of the previews, but I didn't really know anything
about it, and Gary said, you got to see it.
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And he realized somewhere while watching it that each episode
is a one shot and if you don't know what
a one shot is, it is what it sounds. It
is one camera shot, no edits, and the episodes are
an hour long each each episode only four episodes. It's
a limited series takes place on a different day in
(17:58):
this saga. So let me bring into the common station,
Gary Hoffman, of course, of Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Gary, my friend, my brother. How are you this evening.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
I just finished that fourth episode about an hour ago,
so I'm still amazed at I'm amazed at how they
did this show, and I'm amazed at the I think
it's getting the appropriate amount of praise. It's, you know,
the number one stream show. When it debuted, it was
(18:27):
the number one stream Netflix show in the UK. Now
it's the number one show in the world. Just after
the course of about a week and a half of
this thing being being up on the on the platform.
It's an amazing. It's an amazing story. But it is also,
as you alluded to, the technical aspects of what they
did to make this show. They blow my mind.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And it follows the story of Jamie, who's played by
Owen Cooper's thirteen years old, and it starts with a
police raid on his house and Jamie's accused of a
murder we don't know of whom, We don't know the circumstances, why,
or anything. It starts very abruptly. And here's a little
bit of the trailer.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Nice, what are you looking for. You're making a big mistake,
DoD I haven't done anything.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
He's a group.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Kay.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Then Jamie, I want you to listen carefully.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm going to start off with asking you do you
know a girl called Katie Leonard? Yeah, describe each other
as friends? Then is she?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Then that's all I'm going to give him. I'm not
gonna give him any more, Garret, because I don't want to.
I don't want to know any more than that.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
No, it's great. Listen the Owen Cooper is thirteen years old.
Play like you said, play Jamie. This this kid who
is accused of this crime, and and he has never
acted in anything before. He wasn't in drama club in school,
he wasn't in any sort of theater production. This was
the first thing he's ever done. And I found this
(20:12):
out today. I mean, if you've seen the show, we
don't want to give away any spoilers, but if you've
seen the show, the third episode is him talking to
a therapist, a psychoanalyst. I guess you could call it.
That was the episode that was shot first. They shot
him out of order, and just the performances between the
two main actors there, Owen Cooper and then Aaron Doherty
(20:34):
played the therapist. That hour long performance uncut, unedited, I
mean it was it was hard to believe that that
kid had never done anything before, one.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Hour, unedited, no cuts.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
You know, if they were ad libbing, I couldn't tell,
but the range of emotions in that episode would think
that this is a.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Classically trained actor from this child.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Yeah, it's listen and the outside of the performances, it's
written incredibly well. Stephen Graham and Jack Thorne were the writers.
Stephen Graham actually plays Jamie's dad in the whole thing,
and he is just an absolute powerhouse through all four episodes.
But think about I mean in cinemaon TV, there have
(21:28):
been attempts at doing one shots like this before, and
I think the one that immediately stuck out to me
when I you mentioned it when you were doing the
lead in. I recognized, I don't know, maybe four or
five minutes if even that into the first episode where
they raid the house and they take the kid to
the police station, I said. I turned my wife and
(21:51):
I said, this is I think this is all in
one shot, or at least it's one shot up to
this point. And she said, yeah, but they probably edited,
and I said, of course they edited. We know that
because you can't just do one shot for an entire hour,
because it would be physically impossible to do. The one
shot that I remember that I just can't describe the
(22:12):
emotional impact of it is Danny on his tricycle in
the shining one shot of following him through the hallways
in that I think is the best example of it,
because it proves that a long shot like that only
builds tension. There's no relief, there's no letdown, there's no blink,
(22:33):
there's nothing you can't look away from it. And that
was the perfect example of why you would do a
shot like that, And then in this show, each minute
adds a layer of tension or frustration, or anger or curiosity,
and there's no wiping away of any of it by
switching the scene, by cutting by a musical interlude, although
(22:58):
there's music in it, but I mean, there's nothing thing
that allows your body to kind of relax and catch
its breath. It's an hour later, and I think that
when my wife and I would watch these, we'd spend
five or ten minutes afterwards, almost in complete silence, like
what just what just happened?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
How?
Speaker 7 (23:17):
How did they do that? How could they possibly do that?
The second episode with all the kids in the school
play the school yard, I mean, and the drone at
the end, I'm blown away by it. I was looking
up the categories for Emmys, and there's clear I mean,
this is it's March, so it's not like it's, you know,
(23:38):
in Stone, but this is the clear leader in the
clubhouse for acting, for casting, for cinematography, for directing, for
lighting design, for technical direction and camera work, for writing.
The only Emmy that this show is not going to
win is the Emmy for Outstanding Picture Editing. That's the
only thing It's not going to win.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And this is not al you mentioned a drone.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You have like a school yard scene and you're following
all these kids and the drone takes you to the
other side of the town and it picks up another
scene in rhythm. I don't know how they coordinated these
hundreds of people because you're going from classroom, the classroom,
the classroom outside to another part of town with the
drone and it's seamless because it is one shot. I
(24:24):
don't know, And part of it was like I almost
had to rewind some of the things, like.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
How did they even manage this?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
How did they even schedule all the extras and the
people to be moving around at the right time and
not miss the shot, because without giving it away, they're
covering a lot of physical ground in these scenes.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah, well I did, because I was when I was
telling you about it, and I was frossing at the
mouth last week. I waited until tonight, until I finished
the fourth episode to do any sort of the research
for the What they did behind the scenes, and they
talked about it, it was more like they were preparing
for a stage show, like it was a theater, because
(25:02):
you get one take in theater. You have plenty of rehearsals, obviously,
but you get one take in theater. And what they
did was they would rehearse, they planned everything out for
about three or four weeks, and then set aside one
week for each episode, and they were going to do
two takes each day for five days, so they were
going to they're planned out to do ten takes of
(25:24):
each episode. I mean, just think that. That's mind blowing,
how much work that is, and everything from the technical direction,
the choreography, passing the camera between different not just between
different camera men and women, but the different equipment because
sometimes it was on a dolly that was attached to
(25:45):
the car. Sometimes it was on a drone, like you said,
where they would literally hook it to the drone, fly
the drone over to this other parking lot, and then
another camera man unhooks it from the drone and carries it.
Now technically you don't see the camera shutter, it doesn't vibrate,
it doesn't shake. Just a testament to how much those
guys worked on getting just the most minute details now
(26:08):
down and perfect.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I'm not going to give away the end. It's
only four episodes.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's a limited series, but Gary, would you agree with
me that there was more to be told?
Speaker 7 (26:22):
You mean like it didn't end completely correct? I yes,
I mean it felt like that there is there's more
to a story. There could be. There are questions that
I would have that I would ask the writers if
I had them, But it also is I mean, that
fourth episode is difficult to watch if you're a parent,
if you have kids, if you know kids. It is
(26:45):
a difficult episode to watch because it's a Yes, Jamie
is the main character. He's a kid, he's going through
you know what he's going through a teenager adolescent life
in a first world country brings with it bag. But
the story is more about, at least in that fourth episode,
(27:05):
how the parents have to deal with what their kid
is or maybe did or is accused of doing. And
it's just I mean, it's stunning. It's absolutely stunning. But yeah,
I did ask some questions at the end.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I think if to best enjoy this, you will find
yourself in this story. Somewhere you're going to identify with
the parent, or you're going to identify with the neighbor
who's not so sure of what might have happened at
this neighbor's house and how you would treat that person
if you encounter them in town. It's just brilliant, beyond words,
(27:41):
and this is perfect example of this would not have
been made if not for a streaming platform like Netflix.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Yes, yeah, that's a great point. You would not have
been able to do this in a mini series on television.
I think The X Files, that fantastic show. They did
one episode that was four one shots, four one ers,
each of them eleven minutes long to make an hour long,
you know, sci fi show. That's as close as I
(28:09):
can never think of a popular show doing that on
network television. I mean, you know you and I are
fans of Daredevil. They did a great one warner in
a hallway fight scene in the first season. They did
a prison fight scene in the third season that we're
both of those one shots. But you're right, you can't.
That avenue of creativity would not exist if it weren't
(28:33):
for a streaming service like this that wanted to pick
this thing up.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Gary, you have me more recommendations you got for me?
You're doing pretty damn well. Right, Let you go.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
We've been we cleanse our palettes with Clarkson's farm, which
is Jeremy Clarkson from top Gear et cetera. He started
a farm in Chadlington, just northwest of London, and it's
absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I'll take you up on that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And just in case you're tuning in late, I've been
speaking to Gary Hofn obviously one half of Gary and Shannon.
You can listen to them weekdays here on KFI from
nine am to one pm. Go out and I should
go out, No, put on Netflix and see Adolescens. I
don't think I've seen anything as compelling and I would
(29:17):
say revolutionary and filmmaking in my life, no exaggeration.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
I completely agree. This is one of those probably top
five television shows I think I've ever seen in my life. Yeah,
it's going to change the way they do to people
try to do things from now.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
On, Gary, my brother, my friend. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Thanks, Ma appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And I told you from the first segment what my
final thought was going to cover. It's the biggest story
in the world, and I mean in the world. In fact,
when I leave here tonight, I still got to do
an interview with the BBC because the world is wanting
to ask us what the hell happened, And it's kind
of hard to call it fake news when you texted
(30:07):
the editor in chief of a major publication yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's kind of.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Hard to play the whole anonymous leaker game when it's
you and seventeen other people who are listed by name
and or their numbers in a text chat.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Kind of hard to do.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
The White House said today it was reviewing how the
editor in chief of the Atlantic magazine was accidentally added
their words to a group text in which people who
appeared to be members of President Donald Trump's administration discussed
plans to launch airstrikes against UTI militants in Yemen. Let
me step in here and help everybody out. Make it
real simple. There's nothing to review. We all know how
(30:47):
to add people to a group text. We all know
what it's like to accidentally add the wrong person, or
text the wrong person, or drunk text the wrong person.
Trust me, I know all about that. I've done it all,
and I'm kind of an expert on this, so I'm
more than qualified to opine. I've had more than a
few drunk texts to my name. I'm not proud of it,
but I'll tell the truth. What I don't know is
(31:11):
how and why clearly classified information, including military operations, strategy,
and strike specifics, found their way into a private as
a non government agency system text chat which included non
government phones. For that, I have no answer. I got nothing.
I don't know how or why the Secretary of Defense
(31:31):
thought SMS or MMS emojis and gifts or the appropriate
delivery mechanism for top secret attack plans.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I can't get in that man's mind.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
But I damn sure know what drunk texts look like.
And this seems like the behavior of someone drunk texting literally,
you know, not exercising good judgment.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
But forget all that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We all know it's no big deal, at least according
to the Trump administration emails on non government servers back
in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Now, that was a big deal. Hillary Clinton, lock her up.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Remember that classified documents in a bathroom that you refuse
to give back even after the FBI sends over a subpoena. Nah,
that's not a big deal. Texting military ops specifics to
everybody and them mama and accidentally a journalist.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Nah, not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I would rather you tell me that national security never
was and never will be a thing. Just say that
lie to me. I would rather you tell me that
than try to pretzel yourself into a not arguing that
Hillary Clinton's emails were somehow worse than Pete's emoji's. We
know that Vice President JD. Vance was part of that
text thread. We know that Secretary of State Marco Rubio
(32:43):
was also part of the text thread. We know that
John Ratcliffe, CIA director was also part of the thread,
and so we can alsoly rightfully assume that Telsea Gabbert,
Director of National Intelligence, Christy Nolans, Secretary of Homeland Security,
and Cash Mattel FBI director will also on that thread.
Given their likely need to know basis, just spoof any
(33:05):
and all of their numbers and sect deaf peat will
probably tell you anything you want to know. If not
for the patriotism, and I do mean patriotism of Jeffrey
Goldberg to neither go public nor share the privilege and
classified info in advance, the world could have been a
very different place today. Mission would have been compromised, and
American servicemen and women would have been in more of
(33:28):
harm's way. Oh Remember when people demanded Lloyd Austin, then
Secretary of Defense, demanded that he resigned for having a
medical procedure and just not telling the president. Remember that,
Oh good times, I tell you, good times. But this
is where I must, I must invoke the roach theory
once again. It's not the roach you see which should
(33:49):
concern you, but all the ones you don't see. Do
you really think this is the one and only top secret,
slash highly classified information being bandied about.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
On Verizon, Sprint or T mobile bandwidth? Of course, of
course it isn't.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You Just don't start texting seventeen of your closest government
friends and giving them specifics on a military strike and
not have sixteen of them object unless that was a
standard form of communication. And let me be honest here,
I'm not mad, I'm not out outraged. I'm not even surprised.
I'm just saying, miss me with any supposed concerns about
(34:25):
national security or China mining our secrets and data via
TikTok when all they need to do is hack US telecoms.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Oh that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Remember when the Wall Street Journal reported on January fifth,
the Chinese hack of US telecoms had compromised more firms
than previously known. That hack comprised of AT and T,
Verizon T Mobile in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five.
You think they don't already know about the careless and
casual mode of communication between our defense apparatus or apparati.
(34:59):
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