July 24, 2025 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – An in-depth, philosophical look at what the “Later” program is all about…PLUS - Thoughts on the US Olympic/ Paralympic Games barring transgender women from competing in Olympic women’s sports - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I Am six forty is a Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
We're live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and the iHeartRadio app
and if you're on the YouTube video simulcast portion. The Momigos,
the people who hang out there in the Motown Chat,
they are having a very spirited conversation about places that
they will or will not eat relative to their own
personal views. And we were discussing this last segment last hour.
(00:35):
I leave it up to people to decide. I don't
want people to tell me, Hey, you shouldn't go there
because X, Y and Z. No, please don't do that,
because I know you don't want me to hold you
to my standards. So that's going to be an oncoing conversation.
What are they saying? Because I'm fascinated about how people
respond to this. It can be a real roar shock
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when you talk to people about it. Some people did
not know the history of Sambo's and his connection to Denny's.
And if you didn't know, Sambo's is a very very
derogative term, and back in the day when it was
called Sambo's, they even use that Jim Crow segregation iconography
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on the walls in the restaurants.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And my father, for example, to his dying.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Day, refused to go to any Sambo's slash Denny's. And
I think they dropped the Sambo's moniker in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
If I'm not mistaken, I don't know, but my grandpa
took me to those and it seems to me like
if I remember all the pictures on the walls, it
was more of an Indian motif with tigers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's both. They used both.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And I had to straighten out some of my fellow
South Torrance High School classmates who didn't understand the origination
of the term sambo. It had many meetings, but in
the restaurant they had both meetings up there.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, that's a that's been long retired from polite conversation, right.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So, but I'm saying each person may have their misgivings
as far as not supporting a particular location, retailer, restaurant,
and so you know, and and if people still want
to go here or there, that's up to them. And
there are places that I just don't support for any
number of reasons, Like I don't you know center.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I think the Sambos.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I remember my first time going to Santa Barbara right
there in old town kind of like where all the
activity happened, there was a Sambos.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think it just changed their name in like twenty twenty.
Did you say Santa Barbara? Santa Barbara?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, I think that maybe that was the original or
I think exactly because I remember my first time out there.
You know, we're walking around and walk up to I'm like, yeah,
Santa Barbara. What in the hit? I'm like thinking to myself, like,
so this is about to get burned down right, there's
no way that this is up. Where are the people
with the Molotov cocktails?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And it would have been one thing to just be
called I know we're digressing, but this is important. It
was one thing if the restaurant was just called Sambost
because it was a combination of two people's names, Sam
Battiston and Newell Bonnet.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But when you would adopt the visuals of Little Black Sambot, Yes,
you know the blackface characters right.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
An Jemima's in the window, all those charactertures that they
had throughout we walk right by it, and I said
to myself, is this some type of sick twisted museum?
What is this? But it was a restaurant. There are
people in there eating and cakinlin like okay, never yeah, yeah,
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talk about memories.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
There's some other places that I don't go to for
various and suntry reasons. And it's not like I'm trying
to put anyone out of business. It's not like I
have this boycott. It's a one person boycott. Now, I'm
not ever going to go to such and such restaurant
a yet.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, it's not. That's just I.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Just choose not to spend money at certain establishments. And
it's not like you've ever heard me come on camfines
and try to create some campaign. Hey I don't go
to some place. You shouldn't go to some place either.
That's just not who I am. But at the same time,
if someone wants to tell me, hey, hey, mo, you
shouldn't go there, like for example, some people will sit
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to say, MO, you shouldn't go to Chick fil A.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hey minded business? Minded business.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Now, just to be clear, I didn't tell you tell
you no, no, no no, But people have a number of
people have people have told me not to go to
in and Out because they have, you know, a Bible
versus on their cup, the bottom of the cups, and
I wanted to say to them, it's like as a
Christian mother father, mind you business minded business in his
holy name, mother father minded business.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm gonna eat where I want to eat. And I
know I'm not gonna speak for Twala. There places that
he refuses to support.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Now, the power of Christ compels you to eat a
double double with cheese, and it does it called me
earlier today last night.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, so I'm just saying now shall eat that. No,
there are several spots that I do not go. I
will never in my life go to a Starbucks normal.
I ever spend my money on the Starbucks. That is
not me. And I don't go around telling people don't
go to Starbucks. I don't tell people. Look, if you
love the Starbucks, you want to pump the spice Lotte,
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go get it me personally, based on previous actions that
have happened a Starbucks and their stance in that immediate
moment when I felt that they could have done what's right,
I feel that they didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I someone who used to love Starbucks.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Will never go to Starbucks again because I felt personally attacked,
personally attacked. So I don't watch anything having to do
with the NFL anymore. Not because of Colin Kaepernick, but
because when they had the opportunity to originally change the
name of the Washington Commanders from that racist name that
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our president wants them to go back to, they said, no,
we don't give a damn about the people who have
been the most marginalized and attack in this country. We
are going to keep it as in this derogatory name.
And I said, Wow, in the moment that you had
the opportunity to do the right thing, you didn't. This
is Roger Goodell, the Presidence. That's why I said, oh,
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so this for me, this is all of NFL. All
of NFL will never get my support again. But that's
just my personal thing. You have never heard me on
the show don't watch NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Right. I've known that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You're about both of those stances, but never have you
used this platform for the purpose of that trying to
curry favor or to get people to be in agreement
or boycott. You've never heard us talk about a boycott
this or that.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
No, we typically look at them and go, you all
look crazy out there. You all look crazy out there. Boycott.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
But there are places that I refuse to spend my
money with. I refuse and I will never spend another
dollar or dime. And whether they have financial success going
forward has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I choose not to support.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And there are are those other businesses out there that
people will say, hey, Mo, you have this platform on
KFI and and you know you should you should be
telling people to not to not watch the NFL, or
you should be telling people to boycott Target. You should
be telling no, I should not start your own blog,
get your own YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, I get an OnlyFans page that has nothing
to do with me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And and Twala, you get the all the time, all
the time, Okay, which is going to digress for now.
Not a day goes by in which Twala is not
told what we should be talking about on this.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Show all the time? Man, You know you guys should
be talking about ay or I love this one, I
love this one. Hey a, are y'all going to talk
about this thing that they already that they want to
try their proposition or get to talk about. I just
kind of look like, what is it that you think
we do? Why are you bringing up things that you've
never in your life heard us ever discuss ever, or
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like they'll say.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You guys aren't talking about this, talk about x Y wait,
or they try to guilt you like they know better.
It's like, hey, I know you're gonna be talking about
X Y and C tonight right exactly? Yeah, No we're not.
You even listen to the damn show. I may tell
us what we need make the show. How about this,
let's go to break, We'll come back in bitch this
morn We'll come back sixty Life Everywhere dark Heart Radio app.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
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Speaker 2 (08:57):
And somehow we ended up here.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
We're talking about the places that we do support or
frequent and the places we don't or the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And it's weird how people have no idea who I am.
They have no idea who I am.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Because how see folks on social media or in person,
they swear like I am here with some agenda to
get you to vote a certain way or to believe
a certain thing, or to bring reparations like that, you
have no idea who I am. It's funny because you
won't tell me stuff that you swear.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I said that.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I've never uttered, not personally, not privately, not publicly. I
showed you a note like a couple of weeks ago
to Alla from.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
A guy who swore I said that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I talked supposedly about everyone's political preference on KFI.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You said, so and so was this right? And you
said so and so was left. You said so and
so was right down in the middle.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I don't understand how you think about that, think about
it that way, because we all know that so and
so is far right and so so it's left in yours.
And I said, I have no idea what station or
show you listened to, because sure as hell was not me,
not part of the conversation at all. It was actually
almost insane to read. And as a rule, as a rule,
I stay out of other people's shows. Why because I
(10:18):
want them to stay out of mind. And I'm really
going deep here. It's very not every day, but it's
often I will hear from listeners who may even like me.
I know all two of them, who may even like me,
and then they'll say, like, hey, you know what John
Cobelt said, you need to say that the respond to that,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Saying, like, no, I don't. John Cobelt does his show.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I do my show, and we may have some similar
subject subjects that we may cover and we may not,
But I don't respond to what any other host says.
It's like it's a professional courtesy. Sometimes it has not
been extended to me over the years. True, you know,
but my understanding is an expectation is other people have
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their shows, I have my show. Whatever they say is
whatever they say. It's not my job to respond, rebut
refute any of that stuff. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I will talk.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
About, for example, Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and I
don't need to allude to what anyone else has said.
And in fact, I tried not to watch a whole
lot of cable news because I don't want that influencing
my thoughts or opinions on things. So I try to
not just being honest, I try not to not to
listen to other hosts on KFI because we are covering
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oftentimes a lot of the same.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Stuff, and you don't want to sound like you know,
you're repeating or trying to take a fresh look that
does exist, like you're trying to break a story that literally,
you know, Conway and them have been covering the whole show.
You can't come on just say hey, did you hear
It's like, come on stop, you know, you know they
heard all in the same station.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I do what I do and everyone else does what
they do. But it's just funny. The longer I sit
in this chair, and it's been thirteen years, that the
funnier the notes that I'll get saying that you gotta
talk about this, mo, the community needs you to do this.
It's I no, No, that's not why I'm here. My
(12:21):
job is to be interesting and entertaining. That's my job.
And every once in a while I'll sprinkle in a
thought about something I feel very passionately about. I feel
compelled to mention. But you've never heard me endorse anyone never.
I've never told you, hey, you need to vote for
this person. Now you may try in an abstract sense
(12:41):
that may have gleaned that I'm not the biggest Donald
Trump fan. Okay, that's not a secret, but I'm not
telling you to vote for anyone. I will talk about
the particular issues. I will talk about the things which
are maybe of greatest importance across the news landscape.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But I'm not trying to get anybody elected. I think
that's uh need my mic on.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I think that's actually reckless for Inhills, not KFI hosts.
I think any host on radio, even television, who claims
to deal in news, I don't care if it's the
news talk. Even if you're talking about the news the
moment you weigh into what is political and tell your
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listeners how they should go about a certain thing. Well,
then to me, you've cheapened what it is that your
job is. Your job is to talk about the things
that are happening. I don't believe it is our job
to tell listeners what they need to do. We should
be informing listeners and letting them know that when something
is happening, we are going to be there to make
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sure they know every single thing about it. You know,
but we don't tell you to do anything. I love
all the people who tell us you you are telling
everyone to go and get vaccinated. No, we have only
talked about the the reasons why we got vaccinated and
the dangers and the things that we saw about what
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happens when you don't get vaccinated. If you take that
as a message to go get backed, okay, But we
never said you know what you need to do right now,
you need to go on down to this place, this place,
or that place and get yourself vaccinated. We may have said, hey,
if you need to get vaccinated, you can go here,
But that is the fine line that we dance as
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far as giving information and sharing our opinion about a thing.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Charge of fifty five and the chat says, Mo, your
opinions are complete opposite of every other host on KFI.
If you say so, don't care, could not care any less.
I am not here to mimic anyone else. I am
not here to agree with anyone else. My job is,
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I see, it is to be entertaining and interesting, and
I also show my math. You may know how I
bel something, or a lot of times you may think
I believe something and you just made an assumption. But
when I tell you about something I honestly believe, I
will show you my mouth and I'll show you how
I came to a conclusion. Not everything is black and white,
Not everything is all Republicans, and not everything is all Democrats.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
The world doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The world is filled with a lot of shades of
gray out there, and sometimes in this news media space,
people just want to hear. They just want affirmation and
confirmation of what they already believe.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You want to do.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Here, Gavin newsom as the worst governor in the history
of the.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
United States, and that's not what I'm here for.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm gonna say, hey, Gavin news you're really wrong on
this and you're an idiot on that. But you know what,
I can see where you might be right on this
because that's how real life is. And if that offends
you away, so about you know, ah, well, well, so
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if I do not have opinions which are in alignment
with anyone else, good because there ain't no one else
like me.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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join the conversation. And here's something else that I've been
we'll say somewhat vocal on regarding sports and also society.
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The US Olympic and Paralympic officials have officially barred transgender
women from competing in Olympic women's And to be clear,
this is the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee. This is
not the IOC. In other words, this would only be
with respect to American athletes, not any athletes around the
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world who may participate in the upcoming Olympics. But the
US Olympic and Paralympic Committee. They have effectively barred transgenier
women from competing in women's sports, telling the federations overseeing swimming,
athletics and other sports it has a quote unquote obligation
to comply with the executive order you may remember that
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was issued by President Donald Trump. The new policy was
announced two days ago on Monday, and it was updated
on the usopc's website and confirmed in the letter sent
to national sport governing bodies. I agree with this. It's
pretty simple. And one of my sayings is get the
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e easy ones, right. I think this is relatively easy.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I can't control what the rest of the Olympic committees
would do in the relative viewpoints or the respective countries
which may be participating in the Olympics, but this is
something I agree with. The whole point of the Olympics
is competition, but also a level field of competition. That's
why the rules about doping are so damned stringent. That's
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why everything is so very particular. It's very easy to
get yourself disqualified on the Olympic level. There's so many
rules as far as what you can eat, what you
can't eat put in your body, what type of equipment
that you're allowed to use.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Why would that not also well?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I mean also the amount of testosterone you can have
your body is also a factor. So as far as
Olympic sports and American Olympic athletes, this is something that's
pretty easy as far as I'm concerned. Now, does this
mean that the world will follow suit?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
People have been and I'm not saying that just because
you're transgender you're cheating. I'm saying people have cheated on
Olympic levels since the beginning of time, beginning of the Olympics.
People are always looking for some sort of advantage, sometimes
physical advantage, sometimes it's equipment, sometimes it's doping. But people
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are always looking for an advantage. And I'm here to say,
with no apologies for saying it, that if you are
a transgender woman, in other words, someone who was born
male but then has changed their gender to female, which
is different from sex. Sex is biological. Gender is a
constructor is how you present yourself. If you're born male
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and then you decide to present yourself as female, as
a trans athlete, and you start participating against biologically female
women or girls athletes, you have an inherent physical advantage,
a biological advantage. I don't think that's controversial to say.
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I don't think so, But we live in a world
where everything seemingly is controversial, and this should not be
one of them. How this plays out going forward, I
don't know. I don't know if there will be a
legal challenge. I don't know if it will be well
received by Olympic athletes. I get the suspicion that they
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by and large would agree with this If you talk
to most Olympic caliber athletes, and I know a handful
and I've interviewed more than a handful, the feeling is
if there's not a level playing field, and I am
just paraphrasing what most of them have told me. If
there's not a level playing field, then what's the point
of having the competition. I mean, you have men's sports,
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you have women's sports, because there is an acknowledgement that
there is an inherent physical difference as far as men
and women when it comes to levels of competition, regardless
of sports. And I love women's sports, I really do.
In fact, I prefer women's soccer to men's soccer. I
prefer women's tennis to men's tennis. And that's just for
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an example. It's not about well, the men can kick
the soccer ball harder, It's not about that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I'm just saying how the sport is played.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I prefer women's tennis to men's tennis, and I prefer
women's soccer to men's soccer, just for example. I've been
a longtime fan of the WNBA, but I'm not of
the opinion that WNBA players could compete in the NBA.
It is okay to have two separate leagues with respect
to sex, which is different from gender.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
How does this then play out and the Olympic upcoming
summer Olympics here in Los Angeles, how does this play
out for other countries that may not abide by the
same rulings. I know there is a lot of controversy,
and I forgive me for forgiving her name, but the
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boxer the boxer, and there's a lot of controversy about
the level of testosterone in her system. And it was
finally cleared and they apologize profusely. Yes, she is a woman,
not a trans woman, but born a woman. But if
this is the case down and we here in the
United States is saying this is no longer acceptable. But
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if say in Russia, in Eastern Europe and you know,
Norway wherever, if they're sitting athletes and they're like, well,
it's okay for us, how then are the gold, silver,
and bronze medals going to be handed out? How does that.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Factor?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
It's a great question, and I can't answer it because
we don't know what other countries are going to try
to do. As far as playing fast and loose, I
can't remember, but I think the IOC does have a
similar rule the International Olympic Committee as far as who
can participate in the sports, I know there is a
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testosterone rule which usually usually precludes anyone who is trans
from participating in the women's sports, just like boxing, for example,
But this particular decision only is specific to the United States,
and the United States is saying affirmatively in advance, no, no, no,
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you cannot participate.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
We're not even going to play that game, no pun intended.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
We're not even going to try to make the argument
that a trans woman can compete or qualify for women's
events representing the United States.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are really making me miss all
the jokes about the East German women's swim team in
the seventies, Well, going to.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Bring going to bring it back, I mean we know, No,
it really wasn't a joke. It was not even just
East German, it was China and some other countries where
they were so obviously doped.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, mark the floor is yours. No, no, I
think it.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Just look if you don't know the subject, just google
East German women's swim team, specifically East German, and then
look at the photos.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, and that's part of the reason though, to be serious,
why there is a testosterone limit because of the East
German block, uh, the swimmers and some other athletes. I
know it was like Chinese. I don't know if it
was gymnast, But there was also another question of the
level of doping in those sports, and it was easier
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to to come down with testosterone as being the limit
as opposed to trying to determine any other non scientific
way of someone qualify one.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, they biologically look like Ivan Drago.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And they were winning a lot of medals too prior
to had some guns on them. Yes they did.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I do not remember. Oh well, so you're just a
young and now Mark.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Is all right, He remembers Munich in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I remember Jesse Owens raising his fads and all that.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
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We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and also live
on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, we're continuing this conversation, we're talking
about trans athletes in the Olympics, and for me, certain
things are just get the easy ones right. When you're
talking about competition and you have trans athletes, you're not
talking about a level playing field. I am not against
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anyone coming out as trans. I am actually in support
of people living in their truth. But how you were
born biologically, as in sex, is not the same as gender,
how you present yourself, how you wish to live personally.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
By all means.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And I am a firm believer of find your happiness
as soon as possible and dwell in it. And if
that means that you happen to be gay, if you
happen to be trans, if you love someone who may
not be the same color as you find you're happy
as soon as possible and stay right there. But it
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does not mean that the whole world is going to
be open arms and embrace you. And that's the unfortunate reality.
And there are also things which I don't think they
should open the arms and fully embraced. And I want
to slow down so you really hear and understand what
I'm saying. When we're talking about competition, everything has to be.
That's the whole point of competition. That's why there are
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weight classes in boxing that you know. That's why there
are rules to sports. Why you can't do what you want.
In cycling, you just can't do what you want in weightlifting.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There are rules which govern these sports.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Why because they want it to be at least where
each individual participant has an equal chance at winning, or
at least no one has given.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
An unfair advantage. It's just that simple.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And if you're talking about someone who biologically would have
a natural advantage due to genetics, then you cannot allow
that person to compete in a division like you could.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Be a weight class, or a sport, or a portion
of competition where they would have that physical advantage.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's just that simple. I don't know why people want
to make it complicated.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The most often refrained that I hear, or response or
pushback is well, that's discrimination. No, no, no, no, you
are not being quote unquote disadvantaged because you're trans. You're
trying to maintain a level playing field because it's a
sporting event. No one is saying that you cannot live
in your truth. But sports is completely and irrevocably different
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now to that point, And I think some of the
conversations I've heard in some of the arguments I've heard.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Are, what then is there for trans women in the
world of sports? Are they no longer allowed to compete anywhere?
Does there then have to be a trans Olympics? And
if so, is that not somehow segregatory or does it
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not penalize them for being who they are? Is there
going to ever be a time when in the Olympics
and they can say, hey, you know what, within male
track and field or boxing or basketball, we are okay?
Then if we're going to say that, no, you're born
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a man, you have to play as a man, are
we then going to be okay with trans women playing
against men, boxing against men, taekwondo against men, swimming against men, everything,
as it stands.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
To answer your question, the Olympics is sex related as
in how you were born, not gender as far as
what you may choose or how you may present because
gender is an arbitrary in most countries, you know, as
far as how you may present yourself as a woman
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in America may be very different from Saudi Arabia and
so forth. Some commonalities, but by and large it varies
but your sex does not vary from country to country,
and yeah, there probably will be a decision made at
some point where you'll have a trans woman will probably
have to compete against sis men who are people who
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are born as men because it's segregated, if you will,
by sex, not gender. And people say, well, they should
have their own lead. I don't think that, because you're
talking about a handful of athletes to have if you
were to have a transgender division, I think it kind
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of defeats the purpose because we're talking about the physical attributes,
which makes it a level playing field. Someone who's trans
is not disadvantage. A trans woman is not physically disadvantaged
against a man. Not on a biological level. We're not
talking about someone who who is producing less testosterone, with
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the exception of someone who's taking medicine to suppress it
or taking estrogen or something like that. But by and large,
we're still talking about the same physiology. That's the point
I'm trying to make the same physiology. Now, does the
Olympics see itself as a place where it's going to
have to have a specific lane for trans people?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
The numbers if it would even require that at this point,
if you're talking about a number of athletes from each country,
you got to remember there just to have a sport
in the Olympics, there have to be a number of
a certain number of countries which actually play that sport
or participate in that sport.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And then you have to have there.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Are even fewer which both have a men's and women's component,
and then you want to even have a much smaller
pool of athletes who happen to be trans. I don't
know if that's the sustainable on any level when it
comes to the Olympics as of yet. Will that be
different thirty forty years from now, possibly, but not now.
If you know how Olympic sports are actually chosen and
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what is required for there, there has to be enough
Olympic representation in the first place. And we look at
trans athletes here in the United States and I think
we are most liberal, small l when it comes to
trans with respect to the rest.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Of the world.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
No, absolutely, and I think I mean for me, I
think my question even goes deeper and points to this
being a mag America kind of push against trans athletes
across the board from the high schools here in southern
California and all that. It comes from a mag America perspective.
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And I think if LA twenty eight says, Okay, we
hear you, trans women cannot compete against women, but you
know what they can do, they can compete against men,
Welcome to LA twenty eight, minds will be blown. There
will be mass hysteria in the streets. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I just don't think that's gonna happen, because if you
trained for years, you want to at least have a chance.
You know, if let's say women's basketball, you know they've
been training for years in their relative sports. They bring
this team together and then you're gonna say, now you're
gonna compete against the Slovenian men. That's not gonna happen,
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know what I wanted to happen. Let me address one
question from the chat. Ariya Alan on our YouTube chat says, at,
mister Mokelly, aren't martial arts tournaments by belt not gender?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay? No, they are by belt and they are by gender.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Now, you will find certain circumstances, especially amongst kids pre puberty,
that you have boys and girls sparring against each other,
and a rare super rare is and says, you may
have an adult woman sparring against adult male if they're
comparable in weight, but those are few and far between.
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But it's ninety nine times out of one hundred, and
that's because the woman has said I want to fight
with the men. Okay, it's not like a man who's
saying I'm fighting with the women. Let's be clear about that.
But it's a great question. I don't think anything's going
to change in Olympic sports, if only because the United
States we're far and away, way ahead of everyone else
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when it comes to amount of sports we have and
the amount of trans people and the idea of trans
people participating in sports. It's not going to filter down
to the rest of the world anytime soon. Okay, If
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I Am six forty is a Later with Mo Kelly.
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We're live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and the iHeartRadio app
and if you're on the YouTube video simulcast portion. The Momigos,
the people who hang out there in the Motown Chat,
they are having a very spirited conversation about places that
they will or will not eat relative to their own
personal views. And we were discussing this last segment last hour.
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I leave it up to people to decide. I don't
want people to tell me, Hey, you shouldn't go there
because X, Y and Z. No, please don't do that,
because I know you don't want me to hold you
to my standards. So that's going to be an oncoing conversation.
What are they saying? Because I'm fascinated about how people
respond to this. It can be a real roar shock
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when you talk to people about it. Some people did
not know the history of Sambo's and his connection to Denny's.
And if you didn't know, Sambo's is a very very
derogative term, and back in the day when it was
called Sambo's, they even use that Jim Crow segregation iconography
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on the walls in the restaurants.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And my father, for example, to his dying.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Day, refused to go to any Sambo's slash Denny's. And
I think they dropped the Sambo's moniker in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
If I'm not mistaken, I don't know, but my grandpa
took me to those and it seems to me like
if I remember all the pictures on the walls, it
was more of an Indian motif with tigers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's both. They used both.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And I had to straighten out some of my fellow
South Torrance High School classmates who didn't understand the origination
of the term sambo. It had many meetings, but in
the restaurant they had both meetings up there.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, that's a that's been long retired from polite conversation, right.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So, but I'm saying each person may have their misgivings
as far as not supporting a particular location, retailer, restaurant,
and so you know, and and if people still want
to go here or there, that's up to them. And
there are places that I just don't support for any
number of reasons, Like I don't you know center.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I think the Sambos.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I remember my first time going to Santa Barbara right
there in old town kind of like where all the
activity happened, there was a Sambos.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think it just changed their name in like twenty twenty.
Did you say Santa Barbara? Santa Barbara?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, I think that maybe that was the original or
I think exactly because I remember my first time out there.
You know, we're walking around and walk up to I'm like, yeah,
Santa Barbara. What in the hit? I'm like thinking to myself, like,
so this is about to get burned down right, there's
no way that this is up. Where are the people
with the Molotov cocktails?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And it would have been one thing to just be
called I know we're digressing, but this is important. It
was one thing if the restaurant was just called Sambost
because it was a combination of two people's names, Sam
Battiston and Newell Bonnet.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But when you would adopt the visuals of Little Black Sambot, Yes,
you know the blackface characters right.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
An Jemima's in the window, all those charactertures that they
had throughout we walk right by it, and I said
to myself, is this some type of sick twisted museum?
What is this? But it was a restaurant. There are
people in there eating and cakinlin like okay, never yeah, yeah,
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talk about memories.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
There's some other places that I don't go to for
various and suntry reasons. And it's not like I'm trying
to put anyone out of business. It's not like I
have this boycott. It's a one person boycott. Now, I'm
not ever going to go to such and such restaurant
a yet.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, it's not. That's just I.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Just choose not to spend money at certain establishments. And
it's not like you've ever heard me come on camfines
and try to create some campaign. Hey I don't go
to some place. You shouldn't go to some place either.
That's just not who I am. But at the same time,
if someone wants to tell me, hey, hey, mo, you
shouldn't go there, like for example, some people will sit
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to say, MO, you shouldn't go to Chick fil A.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hey minded business? Minded business.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Now, just to be clear, I didn't tell you tell
you no, no, no no, But people have a number of
people have people have told me not to go to
in and Out because they have, you know, a Bible
versus on their cup, the bottom of the cups, and
I wanted to say to them, it's like as a
Christian mother father, mind you business minded business in his
holy name, mother father minded business.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm gonna eat where I want to eat. And I
know I'm not gonna speak for Twala. There places that
he refuses to support.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Now, the power of Christ compels you to eat a
double double with cheese, and it does it called me
earlier today last night.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, so I'm just saying now shall eat that. No,
there are several spots that I do not go. I
will never in my life go to a Starbucks normal.
I ever spend my money on the Starbucks. That is
not me. And I don't go around telling people don't
go to Starbucks. I don't tell people. Look, if you
love the Starbucks, you want to pump the spice Lotte,
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go get it me personally, based on previous actions that
have happened a Starbucks and their stance in that immediate
moment when I felt that they could have done what's right,
I feel that they didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I someone who used to love Starbucks.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Will never go to Starbucks again because I felt personally attacked,
personally attacked. So I don't watch anything having to do
with the NFL anymore. Not because of Colin Kaepernick, but
because when they had the opportunity to originally change the
name of the Washington Commanders from that racist name that
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our president wants them to go back to, they said, no,
we don't give a damn about the people who have
been the most marginalized and attack in this country. We
are going to keep it as in this derogatory name.
And I said, Wow, in the moment that you had
the opportunity to do the right thing, you didn't. This
is Roger Goodell, the Presidence. That's why I said, oh,
(06:30):
so this for me, this is all of NFL. All
of NFL will never get my support again. But that's
just my personal thing. You have never heard me on
the show don't watch NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Right. I've known that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You're about both of those stances, but never have you
used this platform for the purpose of that trying to
curry favor or to get people to be in agreement
or boycott. You've never heard us talk about a boycott
this or that.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
No, we typically look at them and go, you all
look crazy out there. You all look crazy out there. Boycott.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
But there are places that I refuse to spend my
money with. I refuse and I will never spend another
dollar or dime. And whether they have financial success going
forward has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I choose not to support.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And there are are those other businesses out there that
people will say, hey, Mo, you have this platform on
KFI and and you know you should you should be
telling people to not to not watch the NFL, or
you should be telling people to boycott Target. You should
be telling no, I should not start your own blog,
get your own YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, I get an OnlyFans page that has nothing
to do with me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And and Twala, you get the all the time, all
the time, Okay, which is going to digress for now.
Not a day goes by in which Twala is not
told what we should be talking about on this.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Show all the time? Man, You know you guys should
be talking about ay or I love this one, I
love this one. Hey a, are y'all going to talk
about this thing that they already that they want to
try their proposition or get to talk about. I just
kind of look like, what is it that you think
we do? Why are you bringing up things that you've
never in your life heard us ever discuss ever, or
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like they'll say.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You guys aren't talking about this, talk about x Y wait,
or they try to guilt you like they know better.
It's like, hey, I know you're gonna be talking about
X Y and C tonight right exactly? Yeah, No we're not.
You even listen to the damn show. I may tell
us what we need make the show. How about this,
let's go to break, We'll come back in bitch this
morn We'll come back sixty Life Everywhere dark Heart Radio app.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (08:57):
And somehow we ended up here.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
We're talking about the places that we do support or
frequent and the places we don't or the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And it's weird how people have no idea who I am.
They have no idea who I am.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Because how see folks on social media or in person,
they swear like I am here with some agenda to
get you to vote a certain way or to believe
a certain thing, or to bring reparations like that, you
have no idea who I am. It's funny because you
won't tell me stuff that you swear.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I said that.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I've never uttered, not personally, not privately, not publicly. I
showed you a note like a couple of weeks ago
to Alla from.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
A guy who swore I said that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I talked supposedly about everyone's political preference on KFI.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You said, so and so was this right? And you
said so and so was left. You said so and
so was right down in the middle.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I don't understand how you think about that, think about
it that way, because we all know that so and
so is far right and so so it's left in yours.
And I said, I have no idea what station or
show you listened to, because sure as hell was not me,
not part of the conversation at all. It was actually
almost insane to read. And as a rule, as a rule,
I stay out of other people's shows. Why because I
(10:18):
want them to stay out of mind. And I'm really
going deep here. It's very not every day, but it's
often I will hear from listeners who may even like me.
I know all two of them, who may even like me,
and then they'll say, like, hey, you know what John
Cobelt said, you need to say that the respond to that,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Saying, like, no, I don't. John Cobelt does his show.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I do my show, and we may have some similar
subject subjects that we may cover and we may not,
But I don't respond to what any other host says.
It's like it's a professional courtesy. Sometimes it has not
been extended to me over the years. True, you know,
but my understanding is an expectation is other people have
(11:05):
their shows, I have my show. Whatever they say is
whatever they say. It's not my job to respond, rebut
refute any of that stuff. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I will talk.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
About, for example, Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and I
don't need to allude to what anyone else has said.
And in fact, I tried not to watch a whole
lot of cable news because I don't want that influencing
my thoughts or opinions on things. So I try to
not just being honest, I try not to not to
listen to other hosts on KFI because we are covering
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oftentimes a lot of the same.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Stuff, and you don't want to sound like you know,
you're repeating or trying to take a fresh look that
does exist, like you're trying to break a story that literally,
you know, Conway and them have been covering the whole show.
You can't come on just say hey, did you hear
It's like, come on stop, you know, you know they
heard all in the same station.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I do what I do and everyone else does what
they do. But it's just funny. The longer I sit
in this chair, and it's been thirteen years, that the
funnier the notes that I'll get saying that you gotta
talk about this, mo, the community needs you to do this.
It's I no, No, that's not why I'm here. My
(12:21):
job is to be interesting and entertaining. That's my job.
And every once in a while I'll sprinkle in a
thought about something I feel very passionately about. I feel
compelled to mention. But you've never heard me endorse anyone never.
I've never told you, hey, you need to vote for
this person. Now you may try in an abstract sense
(12:41):
that may have gleaned that I'm not the biggest Donald
Trump fan. Okay, that's not a secret, but I'm not
telling you to vote for anyone. I will talk about
the particular issues. I will talk about the things which
are maybe of greatest importance across the news landscape.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But I'm not trying to get anybody elected. I think
that's uh need my mic on.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I think that's actually reckless for Inhills, not KFI hosts.
I think any host on radio, even television, who claims
to deal in news, I don't care if it's the
news talk. Even if you're talking about the news the
moment you weigh into what is political and tell your
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listeners how they should go about a certain thing. Well,
then to me, you've cheapened what it is that your
job is. Your job is to talk about the things
that are happening. I don't believe it is our job
to tell listeners what they need to do. We should
be informing listeners and letting them know that when something
is happening, we are going to be there to make
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sure they know every single thing about it. You know,
but we don't tell you to do anything. I love
all the people who tell us you you are telling
everyone to go and get vaccinated. No, we have only
talked about the the reasons why we got vaccinated and
the dangers and the things that we saw about what
(14:07):
happens when you don't get vaccinated. If you take that
as a message to go get backed, okay, But we
never said you know what you need to do right now,
you need to go on down to this place, this place,
or that place and get yourself vaccinated. We may have said, hey,
if you need to get vaccinated, you can go here,
But that is the fine line that we dance as
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far as giving information and sharing our opinion about a thing.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Charge of fifty five and the chat says, Mo, your
opinions are complete opposite of every other host on KFI.
If you say so, don't care, could not care any less.
I am not here to mimic anyone else. I am
not here to agree with anyone else. My job is,
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I see, it is to be entertaining and interesting, and
I also show my math. You may know how I
bel something, or a lot of times you may think
I believe something and you just made an assumption. But
when I tell you about something I honestly believe, I
will show you my mouth and I'll show you how
I came to a conclusion. Not everything is black and white,
Not everything is all Republicans, and not everything is all Democrats.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
The world doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The world is filled with a lot of shades of
gray out there, and sometimes in this news media space,
people just want to hear. They just want affirmation and
confirmation of what they already believe.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You want to do.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Here, Gavin newsom as the worst governor in the history
of the.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
United States, and that's not what I'm here for.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm gonna say, hey, Gavin news you're really wrong on
this and you're an idiot on that. But you know what,
I can see where you might be right on this
because that's how real life is. And if that offends
you away, so about you know, ah, well, well, so
(15:54):
if I do not have opinions which are in alignment
with anyone else, good because there ain't no one else
like me.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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join the conversation. And here's something else that I've been
we'll say somewhat vocal on regarding sports and also society.
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The US Olympic and Paralympic officials have officially barred transgender
women from competing in Olympic women's And to be clear,
this is the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee. This is
not the IOC. In other words, this would only be
with respect to American athletes, not any athletes around the
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world who may participate in the upcoming Olympics. But the
US Olympic and Paralympic Committee. They have effectively barred transgenier
women from competing in women's sports, telling the federations overseeing swimming,
athletics and other sports it has a quote unquote obligation
to comply with the executive order you may remember that
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was issued by President Donald Trump. The new policy was
announced two days ago on Monday, and it was updated
on the usopc's website and confirmed in the letter sent
to national sport governing bodies. I agree with this. It's
pretty simple. And one of my sayings is get the
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e easy ones, right. I think this is relatively easy.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I can't control what the rest of the Olympic committees
would do in the relative viewpoints or the respective countries
which may be participating in the Olympics, but this is
something I agree with. The whole point of the Olympics
is competition, but also a level field of competition. That's
why the rules about doping are so damned stringent. That's
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why everything is so very particular. It's very easy to
get yourself disqualified on the Olympic level. There's so many
rules as far as what you can eat, what you
can't eat put in your body, what type of equipment
that you're allowed to use.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Why would that not also well?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I mean also the amount of testosterone you can have
your body is also a factor. So as far as
Olympic sports and American Olympic athletes, this is something that's
pretty easy as far as I'm concerned. Now, does this
mean that the world will follow suit?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
People have been and I'm not saying that just because
you're transgender you're cheating. I'm saying people have cheated on
Olympic levels since the beginning of time, beginning of the Olympics.
People are always looking for some sort of advantage, sometimes
physical advantage, sometimes it's equipment, sometimes it's doping. But people
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are always looking for an advantage. And I'm here to say,
with no apologies for saying it, that if you are
a transgender woman, in other words, someone who was born
male but then has changed their gender to female, which
is different from sex. Sex is biological. Gender is a
constructor is how you present yourself. If you're born male
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and then you decide to present yourself as female, as
a trans athlete, and you start participating against biologically female
women or girls athletes, you have an inherent physical advantage,
a biological advantage. I don't think that's controversial to say.
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I don't think so, But we live in a world
where everything seemingly is controversial, and this should not be
one of them. How this plays out going forward, I
don't know. I don't know if there will be a
legal challenge. I don't know if it will be well
received by Olympic athletes. I get the suspicion that they
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by and large would agree with this If you talk
to most Olympic caliber athletes, and I know a handful
and I've interviewed more than a handful, the feeling is
if there's not a level playing field, and I am
just paraphrasing what most of them have told me. If
there's not a level playing field, then what's the point
of having the competition. I mean, you have men's sports,
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you have women's sports, because there is an acknowledgement that
there is an inherent physical difference as far as men
and women when it comes to levels of competition, regardless
of sports. And I love women's sports, I really do.
In fact, I prefer women's soccer to men's soccer. I
prefer women's tennis to men's tennis. And that's just for
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an example. It's not about well, the men can kick
the soccer ball harder, It's not about that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I'm just saying how the sport is played.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I prefer women's tennis to men's tennis, and I prefer
women's soccer to men's soccer, just for example. I've been
a longtime fan of the WNBA, but I'm not of
the opinion that WNBA players could compete in the NBA.
It is okay to have two separate leagues with respect
to sex, which is different from gender.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
How does this then play out and the Olympic upcoming
summer Olympics here in Los Angeles, how does this play
out for other countries that may not abide by the
same rulings. I know there is a lot of controversy,
and I forgive me for forgiving her name, but the
(22:10):
boxer the boxer, and there's a lot of controversy about
the level of testosterone in her system. And it was
finally cleared and they apologize profusely. Yes, she is a woman,
not a trans woman, but born a woman. But if
this is the case down and we here in the
United States is saying this is no longer acceptable. But
(22:34):
if say in Russia, in Eastern Europe and you know,
Norway wherever, if they're sitting athletes and they're like, well,
it's okay for us, how then are the gold, silver,
and bronze medals going to be handed out? How does that.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Factor?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
It's a great question, and I can't answer it because
we don't know what other countries are going to try
to do. As far as playing fast and loose, I
can't remember, but I think the IOC does have a
similar rule the International Olympic Committee as far as who
can participate in the sports, I know there is a
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testosterone rule which usually usually precludes anyone who is trans
from participating in the women's sports, just like boxing, for example,
But this particular decision only is specific to the United States,
and the United States is saying affirmatively in advance, no, no, no,
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you cannot participate.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
We're not even going to play that game, no pun intended.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
We're not even going to try to make the argument
that a trans woman can compete or qualify for women's
events representing the United States.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are really making me miss all
the jokes about the East German women's swim team in
the seventies, Well, going to.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Bring going to bring it back, I mean we know, No,
it really wasn't a joke. It was not even just
East German, it was China and some other countries where
they were so obviously doped.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, mark the floor is yours. No, no, I
think it.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Just look if you don't know the subject, just google
East German women's swim team, specifically East German, and then
look at the photos.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, and that's part of the reason though, to be serious,
why there is a testosterone limit because of the East
German block, uh, the swimmers and some other athletes. I
know it was like Chinese. I don't know if it
was gymnast, But there was also another question of the
level of doping in those sports, and it was easier
(24:49):
to to come down with testosterone as being the limit
as opposed to trying to determine any other non scientific
way of someone qualify one.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, they biologically look like Ivan Drago.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And they were winning a lot of medals too prior
to had some guns on them. Yes they did.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I do not remember. Oh well, so you're just a
young and now Mark.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Is all right, He remembers Munich in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I remember Jesse Owens raising his fads and all that.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
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on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, we're continuing this conversation, we're talking
about trans athletes in the Olympics, and for me, certain
things are just get the easy ones right. When you're
talking about competition and you have trans athletes, you're not
talking about a level playing field. I am not against
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anyone coming out as trans. I am actually in support
of people living in their truth. But how you were
born biologically, as in sex, is not the same as gender,
how you present yourself, how you wish to live personally.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
By all means.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And I am a firm believer of find your happiness
as soon as possible and dwell in it. And if
that means that you happen to be gay, if you
happen to be trans, if you love someone who may
not be the same color as you find you're happy
as soon as possible and stay right there. But it
(26:42):
does not mean that the whole world is going to
be open arms and embrace you. And that's the unfortunate reality.
And there are also things which I don't think they
should open the arms and fully embraced. And I want
to slow down so you really hear and understand what
I'm saying. When we're talking about competition, everything has to be.
That's the whole point of competition. That's why there are
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weight classes in boxing that you know. That's why there
are rules to sports. Why you can't do what you want.
In cycling, you just can't do what you want in weightlifting.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There are rules which govern these sports.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Why because they want it to be at least where
each individual participant has an equal chance at winning, or
at least no one has given.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
An unfair advantage. It's just that simple.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And if you're talking about someone who biologically would have
a natural advantage due to genetics, then you cannot allow
that person to compete in a division like you could.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Be a weight class, or a sport, or a portion
of competition where they would have that physical advantage.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's just that simple. I don't know why people want
to make it complicated.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
The most often refrained that I hear, or response or
pushback is well, that's discrimination. No, no, no, no, you
are not being quote unquote disadvantaged because you're trans. You're
trying to maintain a level playing field because it's a
sporting event. No one is saying that you cannot live
in your truth. But sports is completely and irrevocably different
(28:30):
now to that point, And I think some of the
conversations I've heard in some of the arguments I've heard.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Are, what then is there for trans women in the
world of sports? Are they no longer allowed to compete anywhere?
Does there then have to be a trans Olympics? And
if so, is that not somehow segregatory or does it
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not penalize them for being who they are? Is there
going to ever be a time when in the Olympics
and they can say, hey, you know what, within male
track and field or boxing or basketball, we are okay?
Then if we're going to say that, no, you're born
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a man, you have to play as a man, are
we then going to be okay with trans women playing
against men, boxing against men, taekwondo against men, swimming against men, everything,
as it stands.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
To answer your question, the Olympics is sex related as
in how you were born, not gender as far as
what you may choose or how you may present because
gender is an arbitrary in most countries, you know, as
far as how you may present yourself as a woman
(29:56):
in America may be very different from Saudi Arabia and
so forth. Some commonalities, but by and large it varies
but your sex does not vary from country to country,
and yeah, there probably will be a decision made at
some point where you'll have a trans woman will probably
have to compete against sis men who are people who
(30:19):
are born as men because it's segregated, if you will,
by sex, not gender. And people say, well, they should
have their own lead. I don't think that, because you're
talking about a handful of athletes to have if you
were to have a transgender division, I think it kind
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of defeats the purpose because we're talking about the physical attributes,
which makes it a level playing field. Someone who's trans
is not disadvantage. A trans woman is not physically disadvantaged
against a man. Not on a biological level. We're not
talking about someone who who is producing less testosterone, with
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the exception of someone who's taking medicine to suppress it
or taking estrogen or something like that. But by and large,
we're still talking about the same physiology. That's the point
I'm trying to make the same physiology. Now, does the
Olympics see itself as a place where it's going to
have to have a specific lane for trans people?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
The numbers if it would even require that at this point,
if you're talking about a number of athletes from each country,
you got to remember there just to have a sport
in the Olympics, there have to be a number of
a certain number of countries which actually play that sport
or participate in that sport.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And then you have to have there.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Are even fewer which both have a men's and women's component,
and then you want to even have a much smaller
pool of athletes who happen to be trans. I don't
know if that's the sustainable on any level when it
comes to the Olympics as of yet. Will that be
different thirty forty years from now, possibly, but not now.
If you know how Olympic sports are actually chosen and
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what is required for there, there has to be enough
Olympic representation in the first place. And we look at
trans athletes here in the United States and I think
we are most liberal, small l when it comes to
trans with respect to the rest.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Of the world.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
No, absolutely, and I think I mean for me, I
think my question even goes deeper and points to this
being a mag America kind of push against trans athletes
across the board from the high schools here in southern
California and all that. It comes from a mag America perspective.
(32:52):
And I think if LA twenty eight says, Okay, we
hear you, trans women cannot compete against women, but you
know what they can do, they can compete against men,
Welcome to LA twenty eight, minds will be blown. There
will be mass hysteria in the streets. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I just don't think that's gonna happen, because if you
trained for years, you want to at least have a chance.
You know, if let's say women's basketball, you know they've
been training for years in their relative sports. They bring
this team together and then you're gonna say, now you're
gonna compete against the Slovenian men. That's not gonna happen,
(33:30):
know what I wanted to happen. Let me address one
question from the chat. Ariya Alan on our YouTube chat says, at,
mister Mokelly, aren't martial arts tournaments by belt not gender?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay? No, they are by belt and they are by gender.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Now, you will find certain circumstances, especially amongst kids pre puberty,
that you have boys and girls sparring against each other,
and a rare super rare is and says, you may
have an adult woman sparring against adult male if they're
comparable in weight, but those are few and far between.
(34:09):
But it's ninety nine times out of one hundred, and
that's because the woman has said I want to fight
with the men. Okay, it's not like a man who's
saying I'm fighting with the women. Let's be clear about that.
But it's a great question. I don't think anything's going
to change in Olympic sports, if only because the United
States we're far and away, way ahead of everyone else
(34:32):
when it comes to amount of sports we have and
the amount of trans people and the idea of trans
people participating in sports. It's not going to filter down
to the rest of the world anytime soon. Okay, If
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