‘What’s Streaming w/ Chris Woolsey,’ the Science of Streaming Bundles & MORE

ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – ‘What’s Streaming’ with regular guest contributor Chris Woolsey, Senior Director of Communications for Chicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment, reviewing the latest "character-driven dramas" on Redbox…PLUS – A breakdown on how to navigate all the new streaming bundle options AND A look at actor Richard Dreyfuss going full ‘Dreyfuss’ with an offensive rant at a Jaws screening - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to Later with Moe Kellyon demand from KFI AM six forty KFI
AM six forty. It's Later withmo Kelly. We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Let's talk some movieswith Chris Woolsey A chicken soup for the
soul entertainment. Chris, how wasyour Memorial Day weekend? Was it thrilling?

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Was it adventurous or was it RESTful? It was thrilling and adventurous.
I don't know how RESTful it was. Yesterday I went with some friends from
church and we summited Mount Baldy viathe Devil's Backbone Trail, which if you've

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never been there, it is abouteighteen inches wide at one point and has
a thousand foot drop off on eitherside. It's where unfortunately Julia Sands passed
away last year. But he wasdoing that during the winter and chances are
slipped on some ice. I wouldnever ever do that during the winter.

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It just about caused me to expireduring the spring, so I don't think
winter would be a great choice forme. Ten thousand feet it was crazy,
Yeah, it was. And you'retoo old to get hurt like me.
Yes, I have been told numeroustimes yesterday that old people don't heal
well. Sometimes I was told thatby strangers who were just walking by me
in the opposite direction. So yeah, it was quite the ordeal, a

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lot of fun. Don't know thatI would do anything quite that physically exhausting
again on purpose, but it wasan amazing time with amazing people. So
pretty great. You getting outside anddoing something kind of reminds me of a
story that I covered yesterday talking aboutthe box office for this past weekend,

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which was dismal to the tune ofthe worst in twenty nine years for a
Memorial Day weekend. I'm not tryingto make a direct connection, but I
do think that there's a correlation wherepeople are doing other things than using the
movies as their first choice for entertainmentfor big holiday weekends. Would would that
be wrong? No? I don'tthink. I don't think that's wrong.

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I just feel like so much ofwhat the industry is putting out right now
is just not attractive enough to getpeople to the theaters. And Furiosa is
great, but it's also only reallyappeals to a very particular niche of moviegoers.
My mom's not going to go seethat. My uncle Ted's not gonna

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go see that. Like, whenyou only have one or two options and
they're only appealing to a smaller subsetof the moviegoing audience, you're going to
create issues like this, So Idon't know what to tell them. Also,
let's say you wanted to see it. I saw Furiosa with the Fellows.
We all largely enjoyed it to varydegrees. But I also know if

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I didn't see it this weekend,well, I know I can watch it
at home in about a month anda half. Yeah, definitely, sort
of the blessing and the curse ofthese quick streams. I think the industry
is going to have to figure outa way that they can still make their
money back on these while still providinga product is now expected by the entertainment

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consuming audience. Well, when you'reconsuming entertainment, and I'm quite sure you've
consumed entertainment recently, did you seeanything that you like that you want to
comment on? Yes, I finallywas able to see The Holdovers, which
I could not have been happier with. I just I loved it. I'm
a huge fan of Alexander Payne.I think he is He just hits that

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sweet spot of movies that are quirkyyet have a real heart and a message.
And I loved it. I'm abig Paul Giamatti fan, and this
film just I thought it was fantastic. Have you seen it yet? No,
I have not. I loved itit. You know, it kind
of takes place in the seventies,and it's got that it just got that

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great seventies feel to it. It'sgot everything that I love about good cinema.
And it was just a wonderful characterdriven story of kind of two misfits.
And you know movies like Rushmore thatare like character driven. I just

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I'll take those any day over abig, bloated, overproduced blockbuster. I
just love those movies. Do youthink that that's more of a function of
You're from a different generation, andcontent more generally today is produced for those
with shorter attention spans. They gotto grab you, yank you immediately,

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instead of a character driven study whichdevelops over the course of the classic three
act art. Yes, I thinkthere is something to that. You know,
I have a degree in theater,so I'm you know, used to
that kind of structure. I likeolder movies where the sort of that dramatic
template was used again and again.But I also believe that that template was

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created because it works. I thinkthat good movies are good movies no matter
what generation they come from. Andso I mean, from what I hear
from people, they are kind oftiring of the sort of splashy even the
you know, action filled films,and that they're looking for more character development.

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You know, as an example,you talked about Furiosa, which I
haven't seen yet and I really dowant to see and I will see it
in the theater. But the issueI had with Fury Road was it was
visually amazing, the stunts were incredible, but there was so little character development
that I found myself not really caring, not much about the characters. Whereas

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the holdovers, you know, theperformances of Paul Giamatti and Dominic Sessa were
incredible. Divine Joy Randolph, Ohmy gosh, where do they find this
woman? Obviously she deserved her bestactress and a nod that she got incredible.
The cast was amazing, but thestory was crafted in such a way

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that you actually cared about these peopleand their lives and you were invested in
what was going to happen? Andit made for an engaging film experience,
and it's exactly why I go tothe movies. I loved it. Since
you're a fan of character driven dramas, dare I say, how about on

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the other side when we come back, we talk about some of these character
driven dramas that are available on Redbox, specifically this week that you're featuring excellent.
Let's do it. It's Later withMoe Kelly. I'm joined by Chris
Woolsey of Chicken Soup for the SoulEntertainment more in just a moment KFI AM
six forty. We're live everywhere onthe iHeartRadio app. You're listening to Later
with Moe Kelly on demand from KFIAM six forty. I AM six forty.

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It's Later with Moe Kelly. We'retalking movies with Chris Wolvesey. You
have Chickensen for the Soul Entertainment andwe're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Chris, let me come right backto you. Last segment, we were
talking about the importance and I wouldsay the allure of character driven dramas.
Let's apply that to the offerings youhave for Red box. This week,
let's start off with a little personof person. Yes, absolutely person.

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The person is starting one of myabsolute favorite young actors, and that is
Michael Sarah from Arrested Development. Ijust I'll watch the guy do anything.
He's just imminently likable. I thinkhe while he's quirky, he also has
this great kind of everyman aspect wherewe're all kind of nerds in our own
way, and I just I alwayslike him in these films. And this

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particular movie is what is called hyperlinkcinema, which I had never heard the
term before, but my son,who is in the film program at his
high school, told me that moviesthat have multiple storylines with multiple characters that
all come together at the end,that's referred to as hyperlink cinema. It's
got a great cast. In additionto Michael Sarah, Tavi Gevinson from Gossip

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Girl, and Philip Baker Hall,who is one of my all time favorite
character actors from Boogie Knights. He'sone of those guys that you look at
his face and you go, theydon't even make faces like that anymore,
like Red Gwynn and people like that. I'm like, where do we find
these guys. But it's an outstandingfilm and it really dives into the complexities

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of human relationships and just how thingscan look one way on the surface,
but when you really dig into thelives of those people around you, there's
all kinds of other things going onunder the surface. I loved it.
I thought it was great. Whatelse you got for us? Well,
I think we may have talked aboutthis film before, but it is so

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good and it's a perfect example ofthis that I'm just going to bring it
up again, and that is TaikawaTit's Hunt for the Wilder People. I
love. This film has one ofmy absolute favorite actors in my entire life,
Sam Neil, who I just can'tget enough of everything he does,
Dead Calm, just so many eventHorizon. Oh yeah, absolutely, I

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love him. And then it hasthis young New Zealand actor Julian Dennison,
and oddly enough, Taikawa Titi actuallymakes an appearance in this as well.
But it's about Sam Neil plays thiscrotchety old retired guy who lives on a
farm in the hinterlands of New Zealand. His wife is obsessed with the idea
of fostering a child, which hehas zero interest in doing. The child

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shows up. The wife is pouringinto this poor kid who just comes from
this awful background, and unfortunately,because of some circumstances that I am not
going to reveal because I'm not thatguy, sam Neil finds himself taking care
of this child by himself, andthe child is no happier than he is

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and takes off on the run andsam Neil has to go after him and
they go on this crazy adventure.It is a beautiful character driven story.
Performances are spectacular. Hunt for theWilder People. You will not be sorry
you spent that two hours. Yeah, I don't remember us discussing that one.
I'm maybe wrong, but I don'tremember that. But it gives me

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at least another opportunity if this isthe second time to go check it out.
You sold me, well done,and I know you have one more.
Oh I do that, I do. So back to our outdoor excursions.
Yes, we've got on Crackle thismonth. We have a ton of
cautionary tales of what happens when yougo into the outdoors, lots of really

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creepy camping movies. So we've gota great outdoor thriller, and it's got
kind of an a twenty four Midsummerfeel to it, like super creepy.
You know that this is not gonnaend well for anyone involved. But it's
starring Lydia Wilson from Ripper Street,who is a phenomenal actress, Nick Blood

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from Agents of Shield, and MadelineBrewer from Handmate's Tale, and it's about
a young girl who's on a hiketrying to find herself in the middle of
nowhere, stumbles onto a family thatis living off the grid, a husband
and wife, and they kindly takeher in and you come to discover not
only is the couple not what theyappear to be, but they are also

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sort of the gatekeepers for something ontheir farm that is not what it appears
to be. Super creepy, reallygood. But we've got great, great
fun outdoor movies solo, We've gotMurder in the Woods with Danny Trejo,
all kinds of great stuff on Crackles. So if you're looking for cautionary camping

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tales, Crackles got you covered thismonth. I was under the impression that
if you go camping and it's inthe movie, bad things happen. I
don't care if it's the River Wild. Just if you go camping and there's
a camera around, something bad isgoing to happen to you. I got
to agree with you. It's kindof like the Red Shirts on Star Trek.
As soon as they watch onto thescene, well, they're not gonna

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be there long. It's like they'reall from one episode. That episode.
That's it. That's it. Well, it is always great talking to you.
Chris Woolsey, my brother. I'mglad that you made it back safely
from Mount Baldy. Don't ever dothat again. You know. I was
telling Tawala don't go to seven eleven'sbecause he likes to go to seven to
eleven. Don't do that. Itry to tell anyone else, don't ride

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the Metro. Don't do that.It's a dangerous thing here in southern California.
And now I got to tell youto stay off these dangerous mountain trails.
I don't want you to end uplike someone else you know who they
never find. Okay, absolutely,you got it. I will adhere to
your warnings. And let me saypublicly. I've said it before, but
I want to say it again.Thank you very much for the movie.

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Codes. Chris Wolsey's demand responsible forthe red Box movie codes that we give
away each week for name that moviecalled classic. It is not by chance,
it's by choice on his part,and we appreciate you, my friend.
I am happy to do it,and I will continue to do so
as long as you let me.This is great. We're gonna keep on
letting you. It's later with moKelly, can't. I am six forty.

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We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio appwith Kelly on Kay six fine,
live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.And I think I'm getting closer to figuring
it all out. I think Iknow what I'm going to do with my

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streaming life. I think I'm goingto go the way of actually bundling these
We told you that streaming was evolving. They were moving away from the individual
platforms, and they realized that theywould not be able to survive by themselves.
They had to team up because eitherthey didn't have the content delivery system,

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they didn't have enough content, orthey didn't have enough subscribers. They
couldn't put it all together. Sothe only way they thought that they could
survive was to start grouping themselves together. The first one I think was Disney
Es excuse me, Disney Plus,Hulu and Max. The prices are now

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out and they're going to launch thatone at fifteen dollars a month. Fifteen
dollars a month, now, that'sprobably with a boatload of ads, and
there are other things. But ifyou get those three individual services of Disney,
Hulu and Max for fifteen dollars amonth, that's that's not bad.
It's not bad if you're willing toput up with the commercials. The reason

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I say that because Disney Plus,I think is somewhere around twelve thirteen dollars
a month now, yeah, andHulu is six ninety nine and Max is
sixteen ninety nine. You don't haveto be, you know, a math
scientist to know that you will besaving money. But you'll probably have to
pay closer to thirty dollars for thead free versions of all not double well

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probably probably, but I mean youbecause I know Apple TV is nine ninety
nine. Uh, Netflix its toptier is twenty two ninety nine, so
you already over thirty dollars. AndPeacock I think it is nine ninety nine
as well. I have the HuluDisney plus ESPN bundle and that is twenty
five dollars a month. Oh okay, so yeah, so if you have

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Max Yeah, yes, yes,you're gonna be at least thirty dollars,
but it's still less than what you'repaying for previously and obvious obviously, you
know, if I could save tendollars a month, that's some thing I
would consider. When we first talkedabout it, we didn't know the price
point and Apple and earlier, Ithink it was like beginning of last week.
There's the Peacock, Netflix and AppleTV streaming bundle that is going to

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be thirty dollars a month. Theyhave a fifteen dollars a month plan and
a thirty dollar a month plan,so they're kind of balancing off one another.
They're very similar. Netflix is twentytwo ninety nine. That's the top
tier. But if you bundle itwith Peacock and Apple TV and they're both
ninety nine and nine, that that'sa good forty dollars if you subscribed individually.

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Wait, so there's a Netflix,Apple and Peacock and Peacock that's one
bundle. Where's Amazon Prime in thesebundles? Is that part of any of
these bundles there is, we haveto look it up. That's what said.
You need to have a PhD tofigure this out, because I'm confused
because it sounds like you just saidthere's a is it a Hulu, Peacock,
Apple, there's a there's a Hulu, Disney Plus and Max. Okay,

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I have to have that one becauseI have to have Disney Plus.
Right, So it seems like you'reprobably wanna pay sixty dollars a month for
those six services if you were toget the the ad free tier, but
I don't have to have the Netflix, Apple Plus Prime package. Well,
there's the bundle of Netflix, AppleTV and Peacock, so I don't have

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to have the other two. Ican just have Netflix. I needn't.
Netflix is right now twenty two ninetynine for its top tier by itself,
and it's another what fifteen twenty toadd the other two if you do it
individually. Netflix is twenty two ninetynine, Apple TV is nine ninety nine,
and I think Peacock is now nineninety nine or will be by the
time the Olympics come around. Idon't easy ye, So if you just

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want to stay with Netflix, youare still paying less. I know we
have a friend Liz who Loo whoswears by Apple TV, and she'd be
more inclined to this, But Ipresently have Netflix and Apple TV. I
do not have Peacock. If Iwere to put these together, yeah,
you could give me Peacock and Iwould save a few dollars, But there's

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not a lot for me on Peacock. Yeah, so that bundle wouldn't mean
as much to me. And howdoes the plan into the Sling TV for
the sports that you have? Mo? Okay, the sports are a part
of the Sling TV package and that'sthe package that I pay, which is
connected to Sling TV. But mySling TV is still under sixty dollars a

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month. See, and that's whatyou know talking about this before. I'm
like, okay, it might getto the point where you pay almost what
you pay for satellite or digital,but you get to choose exactly what you
want at the time that you wantto watch it, so it might be
a little bit more worth it.I get this go. It has to

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fit your lifestyle. Satellite, especiallyback then when I had Direct TV,
didn't fit my lifestyle because I couldn'treally watch it anywhere else other than home
on the box. This was prestreaming, so you didn't have the option
to watch it on your computer orto watch it on your phone. But
I was still paying one hundred andforty dollars I think a month for what

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they call standard definition satellite HD waseven extra and I could pay and I
say one hundred and forty dollars amonth, it was seven ninety nine per
set top box in my house,and that was not including the DVR because
it was a physical DVR back then, which I had to pay like ten

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dollars a month. It was aracket, and they raised the price of
my set top devices each year,even though I didn't get a new set
top device. You know, Iwas working on real old hardware after a
certain point. So that was whyI left DirecTV. But to your point,
I left because I wanted live sports, and back then you couldn't get
live sports, and Sling TV wasthe first reaming option which offered live sports.

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What I mean by that is ESPN, Fox Sports and TNT. So
how much do you pay for yourit's your package, Keana, Is that
the commercial free run or is yourESPN Disney Hulu package with commercials that is
commercial free and that's forty. No, that's twenty five. Oh, that's
the one that's twenty five. Okay. See that almost sounds like because it

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has ESPN and Disney Plus. Youwant the ESPN for the live sports,
and it has Disney Plus, whichhas every other thing that we watch.
It's got. But that's my point. It has to fit your particular lifestyle.
I have a lot of friends likeI don't care about the sports.
They don't care about that at all. I don't care about the Hulu and
like what works for me that thatbundle. That's the only bundle I have.

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I don't have Netflix, I don'thave Paramount, I don't have Peacock.
Oh see, I can't deal withoutNetflix. I square by Netflix.
I miss Netflix. But I wehad like the fifteen ninety nine fourteen ninety
nine plan, which is not thefour K definition, and I didn't see
like I was maybe watching one showout of it, Like it doesn't keep

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up with my style. But Iget HBO Max free with my phone plan,
so I kind of have the bundlethat goes back to the delivery system
like you have like AT and Tthe Max. Yeah, so I already
have the Hulu, ESPN and DisneyPlus bundle, and I have Max,
So I'm kind of I'm comfortable withwhat I have if I don't have to

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pay for Max. See that's partof once again, it just has to
fit your particular lifestyle. I gottahave the sports, I gotta have the
Disney and the movies. I getmy ESPN through my Slate TV, so
I don't need to bundle it.I don't. I'm not forced to bundle
it. So you know, whenare they gonna come up with a Netflix

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Disney Plus Prime package? They doyou just to pay for individually. Oh,
there's no bundles. That's all Ineed. I need a wreck competitors
Netflix and Amazon Prime. They're thetop two right about now. Yeah,
sooner later they're gonna have to cannibalizeeach other. Yes they will. Yeah,
I would say to Wallace Point,that's gonna happen one day, Yeah

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for sure. Yeah. It willbe one channel. Basically, it's one
channel and it has all this content, kind of like cable. Remember you
go on the cable and they havefour different hbos and three different Stars channels,
and you know, three different espns. We're almost back to that.

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But we have the convenience. Ican put my Sling TV on on my
phone and my laptop in the studioright now, like I was watching the
end of the Minnesota Dallas game.Fits my lifestyle. Do you have to
share passwords which is slay or canyou not? Really they have They only
allow to simultaneous log ins. Likeif I were to give you the log

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in and kean of the log in, you two could be on at the
same time. But if I tryto get on, I'd be the third
person I bump someone off. Thatsounds so simple. Why doesn't everyone all
the streaming apps do that? Idon't know, Seriously, I don't know.
So just limit the logins and youdon't have to worry about passwords.
Sure thought Netflix did that at onepoint when they were like, oh,
here's this plan. You get sixunlimited screens or such for a family plan,

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and then it would always kick meout once all the six were taken
up because we shared it across ourentire family. So wow, we're just
doing one big old circle now.Yeah, and I'm still with Slim and
it's not a promo. I don'tget paid by that much. I just
like the surface. It works forme. Mark Ronner, he doesn't believe
in live TV, so none ofthis applies to him. That's not true

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at all. You like twov No. You know one thing that occurred to
me while you were talking about thedifference between people who pay enough not to
have commercials and don't. That's goingto be one of these major status indicators
of the twenty first century. Likeyou've got your affluent people, then you
got your commercial having to watch trash. Like me, there are tears in
every facet of life, from thecars we drive to the services we stream.

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There are tiers. There are levelsto this. As a kid,
say there are levels to this.It's like being sent to school with the
Lee jeans and not the Levi's.When you're a kid, nobody wants to
admit that you're the commercial watching trash. Look, I wanted to have tough
skins or I don't know about theLee jeans. Okay, tough skins with
a lick back in the day.Okay, it's Later with mo Kelly.
Ca if I am six forty liveeverywhere on the iHeartRadio app, you're listening

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to Later with Moe Kelly on demandfrom KFI AM six forty and if you've
never seen Richard Dreyfus on screen,he's one of the most fantastic actors you'll
ever see. From Jaws, CloseEncounters of the Third kind, other things
that he's done over the years.He's a fantastic actor. But I always

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tell people, we don't know thesepeople, and sometimes people get caught up
in what an actor actress may sayhere or there, not really understanding that
distinction. And Richard Dreyfus was someoneI can't remember where it was. I
think it was that it might havebeen the DNC or R and C is

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one of those political conventions. It'sback in two thousand and eight, and
I was pre interviewing him. Iworked on the Tavis Smiley Show back then,
so we would have I would goout there and run and try to
get guests, so they come inand talk about politics or whatever, and
you have to pre interview them sothey know that the guest knows what to
expect and the host knows what toexpect as far as just where the guest

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is coming from. And you findout very quickly that Richard Dreyfus, especially
later in life, he he's thedefinition of a curmudgeon. He's very prickly.
He's always surly all the times thatI've been around him, and I
want to say it's maybe four orfive times he's been surly. He's been

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shortcurt and he's forgotten a lot ofthe stuff he's done. And we were
interviewing him about a movie that hewas working on. It was like he
was listed as the director, andthen we asked him. He's like,
I'm not doing that movie, butit's what your pr person said that you
were here for. I mentioned thatbecause there have been some questions about how

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Richard Dreyfuss has been aging. Letme put it that way, that he's
the same person that he was thirtyand forty years ago, and he is
prone to outbursts and he's I wouldn'tsay he's back in trouble, but he's
at the center of controversy because hewas at a Jaws themed event and people

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were asking or were supposed to askhim about Jaws, and then he instead
talked about everything that he hated aboutthe movie of making industry. Today that
was called a Q and A withRichard Dreyfis. People are now calling it
an evening of misogyny and homophobia withwell, yeah, Richard Dreysis. So
the CABT Theater in Beverly says theyare now taking full responsibility for this event,

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just going off the rails. Andif you're not familiar with Dreyfus,
he was the actor who played theMarine Biologist and that nineteen seventy five blockbuster.
But audience members told the Boston Globetheir three hundred dollars tickets did not
buy them the experience they anticipated,and instead they were disgusted when he started
disparaging women in film. The meToo movement and LGBTQ rights then apparently got

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worse and developed into a full onrant that they say started as he talked
about Barber streif In and then pivotedinto what the Hollywood Reporter described as quote,
bigoted opinions on trans children, pluscriticism of the Academy Awards having inclusivity
and diversity guidelines. So the cabindid, as you guys mentioned, release
a full statement saying, in part, the views expressed by mister Dreyfus do

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not reflect the values of inclusivity andrespect that we uphold as an organization.
We take full responsibility for the oversightand not anticipat in the direction of this
conversation, and also for the discomfortthat it calls to many patrons. So
they went on to say too thatthey're talking to people about their experience and
they are also committed to learning howto enact the mission of entertaining people better

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while also educating and inspiring the community. And I should note to Dreyfus has
not responded to all this. Ithas been noted publicly that Richard Dreyfus suffers
from being bipolar and he has memoryissues. However you want to characterize memory
issues, I think their age relatedmemory issues. I say all that to

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say I try to take whatever hesays with a great assault because it could
change tomorrow. And there are thosewho are appreciative of his And I didn't
want to play the actual audio becauseit's pretty inflammatory. But he was talking
in a way about he didn't likehow movie making having included diversity into it.

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He didn't he's getting into trans andthat kind of thing. And if
you know anything about Richard Dreyfuss,if you talk to him tomorrow, it
might be completely opposite that Mark.This is about as polite as I can
put it, Are you trying tohaul off and suggest that an actor might
be crazy somehow? Look, Iam not going to diagnose from a distance.

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I'm saying it has been publicly remarkedby Drives his people in the past
that he suffers from bipolar disorder,and has been publicly reported that he has
memory issues. They generally don't improvewith age, generally not. No,
he does have a reputation one wayor the other. And I can say

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that as someone who has interviewed himand dealt with him on a number of
occasions, I don't know how awareof his behavior he is at this point.
I saw him when I was flippingthrough movies. He some sort of
action pick with Gina Carano, andI thought that looks about right now,

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doesn't it, Given where they bothare in life and what they've both decided
the hills they've both decided to dieon well, And also if you're talking
about if there is a medical cognitiveissue, changes in personality are usually connected
to it. I look at thisas a change in personality, not an
affirmation of what he does or doesnot believe. And in my times when

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I interviewed him, it was obviousthat he did not remember what he just
said a few minutes ago. Yeah, I mean it raises kind of a
thorny issue because and it makes methink of Charlton Heston in his later years,
when Heston was really heavily into theNRA, but he was clearly slipping
cognitively, and people got all overMichael Moore for interviewing him and supposedly taking

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advantage of him, whereas Heston wasthe one putting himself out in public for
these things. Think it's very,very similar with Dreyfus. You it is,
if you have any human decency atall, you want to take it
easy on somebody who is possibly atthat stage in life, yeah, where
they're maybe not one hundred percent,but on the other hand, for God's
sake, they're putting themselves out there. And I've seen some of the same
things you have about what he said. I've read about it. You don't

(31:19):
just let that go. No,no, But it does say, at
least on IMDb, so take itwith a grain of salt. But there
are other places which I've reported thatDreyfus had a serious drug POLP problem in
the late nineteen seventies and early nineteeneighties. One of the side effects was
that his memory was damaged so muchso that he still has no memory of
filming the movie Whose Life Is It? Anyway? I believe that there are

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other gaps in his life and personalitywhich are directly connected to this moment.
Not trying to excuse, explain,or or agree with or disagree with.
I'm saying I I suspect that theperson who was on that stage rattling off
of the things that he believes,it's probably not the same Richard Dreyfus of

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five years ago. I have afeeling he's gonna get fewer and fewer invitations
to do that kind of thing.Wow, that's surprised, because I'm talking
about from ten plus years ago whenI interviewed him and it was just understood
never again. That was back then, right, and then you put him
on stage again again. It's like, I'm surprised. I'm not surprised at

(32:28):
all. And if you were toask him him, if you were to
interview him right now, he mayhave no memory of that. Yeah,
imagine being in that audience. Youshow up, you want to see Jaws.
Here's some funny anecdotes about the movieand then you just get blasted with
a fire hose of what he wasputting out there. No boy, Now
you know, I wish him well, but I suspect it's probably gonna get

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