September 4, 2024 • 44 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on the rising cost of Costco’s membership fees AND a rare appearance of ‘When Animals Attack’…PLUS - A look at Oprah Winfrey’s ‘AI Special’ AND the legal battle brewing against former President Donald Trump over the unauthorized use of various songs during campaign rallies - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And maybe you didn't know, but on the first of
this month, just a couple of days ago, there was
a rise in the membership plan for Costco members between
five and ten dollars, depending on your plan. And it's
the first time in seven years that Costco has increased
its membership fee. Now I have to talk to my
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wife about it, because she runs the whole Costco thing.
When she goes shopping, she goes to Costco. I'm really
not in the loop, but I know Mark Runner, I
know producer Lindsey have a little connection to Costco. Producer Lindsay.
Did you know that this membership fee hike was coming?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, because I don't pay the Costco thing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh it does must be not No, I don't. I
just shop.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I don't need to worry about the cost of anything.
Mark Rodner, did you know that this membership hike was coming?
I knew that my auto renewed and I didn't check
to see what the price was.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So no. It's kind of like Amazon Prime and then
they sneak in the hike that way. So how much
is it? Well, it's between five and ten dollars, that's
what I'm I think it depends on your membership plan.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Oh for the whole year. Yes, Yes, that's tolerable. I
mean they're reasonable. I don't know if you heard or not,
but I talked a little bit about Costco last night,
and I think they're a pretty reasonable outfit.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
For all the liquor you buy, yes, we'll did here. Yeah,
for all the liquor. Yes, you're storing up just in
case there's going to be a future pandemic or zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Well, if we get the big one, if we get
the nine point zho, you don't want to get caught.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You don't want to be dried out. Yeah. I looked
at this. It's like, yeah, I think that's kind of
reasonable because Costco does not have i'll say a history
or the habit of raising their membership prices year to year,
like you would say a streaming platform where they hike
up the price every single year. So if you can
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be mad at someone, it's not going to be Costco.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
There's a handful of plays is where you know they're
not going to just extract whatever they can out of you,
like in and out is the same. You know, they
raise their price as a tiny bit after the minimum
wage rise, but not like some of the other places did,
and it's a price you can live with and you
don't think, oh okay, they're just using this as an excuse,
like like we found out Kroger did right right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Which leads me to wonder Sam's Club is their direct competition,
Sam's Club, which is part of Walmart Corporation. I wonder
what their membership fees are or were, and whether they
have also.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Changed it's it's lower than Costco.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well that kind of makes sense because Sam's Club and Walton,
the Walton family have always been about trying to undercut
everyone else's prices.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think it's like ten dollars less than.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Costco as part of the annual membership.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So Okay, Yeah, I've never gone to Sam's Club. To
my knowledge, I have no reference point. I just know
that when you when you usually see a Costco, there's
a Sam's Club probably nearby in close proximity, because they
kind of like occupy the same little quadrants of cities.
You know, it's like you see McDonald's, see a Burger King.
They've already done the market research to know that that's
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the perfect location for whatever they're trying to put there.
So Sam's Club and Costco are relatively close from where
I live.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Does Sam's Club have the dollar and a half hot dogs?
I don't know, but I don't think so. Because the
hot dogs are legendary at Costco. I was gonna say
that's another benefit. They haven't raised those prices, not yet,
at least, no, they've pledged not to. I mean that's
like they're lying in the sand. Pretty cool. Yeah, well,
we talk about a line.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
There's always a line for those hot dogs, always aligned
when I happen to be going to Costco with my wife,
see that of the pizzas for sure. Yeah, I only
get the hot dogs. I don't think I've ever had
a Costco pizza. They're tolerable, they're okay. Yeah, they're a
terrific deal too, pretty good. Yeah, and I love pizza,
But I always associate the hot dogs with Costco. You know,
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I don't think of really buying anything from Costco because
that's not my area of expertise. My wife will come
back with, I don't know, thirty five boxes of egg
whites and all sorts of this and that. Look, we
have more stuff in our pantry than we need to have.
But you know she goes to Costco and she goes crazy.
Does she get like treats for Benson. Yes, yes, there's
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a huge ass. Yes, yes, it's like the dogs will
be dead by the time they finish all that food.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Everything's big there, and it's complicated to shop there if
you don't have a huge family, because whatever you get,
you're going to be using it for a while.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right, And you made a great point last night, Mark,
because you have to buy so many to get the
discount or to make the discount make sense.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well that was also I was talking about Ralph's as well,
and Ralph's as a Kroger store of course, and they've
got these deals where you see, like Doritos, they're either
six bucks for a bag or if you buy five
bags of them, you can them for two and a
half bucks.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's insidious. Yeah, I only have to taste for one
bag and I probably won't have another one for I
don't know four years.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I think I've had one bag of Dorito's in the
past four or five years. Why do you hate America?
Dorrito's are wonderful. They are wonderful.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
In fact, we have a drawer full of them, you know,
the I'll say, the specialty drawer. Yeah, oh yeah, that's
right now, we do. And I was thinking, like, do
I want some Doritos? I said, no, I don't have
a taste for them all that often.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
There's something wrong with you. Then I can always eat doritos.
There is no There is something wrong with me, but
at least I'm self aware. No. There was some something
that came up a couple of weeks ago. Somebody was
criticizing Kamala Harris for eating a whole bag of Dorito's
and I'm like that that should be the first way. Yeah,
there should That should be the first line on her resume.
Are you kidding me? You eat them?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's that's the unit of measure, bag of Dorito's. What
did you have to eat? I had a bag of Dorito's.
I didn't have like twenty chips. I had a bag.
There's time finishing it. They're engineered for you to do that.
They're suppressing your fullness impulses, so you got to eat
the whole bag. The problem I have with Dorito's is
the problem I had with Cheetos. I don't like the
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powder stuff on my hands. I don't usually eat food
with my hands, and it's not like you can eat
Doritos with a fork, So there's a conundrum there. It's
hard to eat them, and I there are times where
I've actually eaten Doritos with a napkin.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
No, I think you're one hundred percent on the right
track there, Doritos, if they were smart, they'd have little
gloves with leap bag like with hair products, they have gloves.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They should do that. Yeah. Uh, you know, have they
ever made like a naked Dorito chip, like a regular
tortilla chip, just without any of the flavor. That would
be an obscenity. Why would you want that?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Because then Dorito came out and said, no, that's part
of the quote unquote experience is having that cheese dust
or whatever one you have dust on your hands.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
If you don't need a shower after you're done with Dorito's,
you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
See. I don't like the dust of my hands. It
gets sticky. It's just oh, it's physically on offtible goes
back to my OCD.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, but it's it's just part of the experience, you
learn to love it. It's probably not worth it.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
But one of the life hacks I saw it for
people like you, mo Is they use chopsticks.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I'm pretty good with chopsticks. No, that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
That's the one I saw when they said, hey, if
you want, if you love data's but you hate the dust.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Thank you. There you go. Yes, I'm very adept and
adroit like those words with chopsticks. There, I can handle
demure as well. Here we go again. I thought so
I could not escape that word. Now it's like everywhere
it's very demure, very very very demure and mindful something
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like that. Okay, good, good.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI a M six forty.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Animals the world over have had enough of humans.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
Hornets are attacking in China, Sharks are swallowing up the
surfers in Florida. Lions and tigers are eating in turns
oh my, and bears are posing on women in the
Pacific Northwest. Unless we put a stop to the mistreatment
of animals, they can, they will.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They shine attack a tiger bitten animal handler on the arm.
Let me stop right there. You don't handle animals, but
that's what they call them. Well, Kelly here k a
tiger bitted animal handler on the arm yesterday at an
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Australian amusement park. The woman was taken by ambulance from
dream World, which is what I'm told to be the
largest theme park in Australia, to the Gold Coast University Hospital.
She was in stable condition. The staff managed the bleeding
as the ambulance was called to dream War just before
nine am during the feeding of the tiger. The park
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open to the public at ten am. Quote, we were
advised that at that location a forty seven year old female,
an experienced handler, had been bitten by one of the tigers.
The patient obviously had received some serious lacerations and punctured
wounds from the animal. She was quite pale and feeling unwell,
but generally well. How can you be feeling unwell but
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generally well. I don't know, but that's what it says.
The park's Tiger Island says it houses nine different tigers.
The park's website invites audiences to be quote amazed by
their might and raw power during feeding time where allegedly
attack happened. Now Here's the thing I don't understand. They
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want to downplay this like it's no big deal, like
it's just infrequent. And because it's infrequent, it's no big deal.
Tiger attacks at a mainstream theme park and zoos are
extremely rare. A female keeper at Zurich Zoo was killed
by one of the parks Siberian tigers. So sad. The
year before, a seven year old tiger attacked and injured
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a female zoo keeper at a zoo in Kansas. But
it's rare. Here's the question I have. Did anyone not
learn anything anything? Take me to Vegas? Did anyone not
learn anything from my friends in Las Vegas?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
You mean either Sigfried or Roy. Yeah, I don't know
which was the one who got named by the tiger.
I keep losing track, but of the yeah, it was
one of them, Sigfreid Roy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But how often do you have to see someone get
dragged by their neck off a stage for you to realize,
you know what, Maybe this is not the job for me,
Maybe I'm in the wrong line of work. No, it
will only happen to someone else. It is a tiger.
At some point, the tiger is going to go tiger
on you. It was Roy for the record, Okay, which
one was he? All that? I don't know was the Brune?
(11:05):
Yeah right, but yeah, so it's it was Roy. It
was Roy. And he dragged him off by his neck,
didn't he? Literally no, it wasn't being serious. He dragged
by his neck and dragged him off the stage. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And the way I recall the story being reported was
that the tiger wasn't even being particularly aggressive. That was
just a tiger move, similar to the way they treat their.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Cubs, right, except that we don't have like a nape
or the type of next setup which is conducive to
being dragged by our necks. We are sadly nape free. Yeah. Yeah,
maybe it was an active affection. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
It might have been, because yeah, there's videos where you
see them the mom lions picking up and they look
like they're about to bite their heads off, but they're
just holding them and they just you know, take them
where they need to go.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I have a feeling that the lion, excuse me, the tiger,
did not feel the same way about Roy that the
tiger would have felt about its cubs. I have a
feeling I can't confirm that. I can't validate or verify that. Well,
nursing does promote a certain degree of bonding. Well not
only that, as opposed to the trainer who's probably threatening
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and whipping and more than just cajoling a tiger to
do what you want to do, you know, it's being
forced to do something.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I believe that tigers resent operant conditioning like that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Didn't you. They're not pets. I don't understand this. And
this is twenty twenty four. Okay, we just had a
guest on from Wringling Brothers. The whole idea of these
animal acts, they don't really exist anymore in the United States.
I mean, did we learn anything from SeaWorld? Those things
are a part of the past when it comes to
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i'll say American theme parks at least.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I haven't circuses completely eliminated things like elephant ax.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Just yes they have cruelty, Yes they have Yes, No,
go ahead. I was gonna say.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Even the ad has come up a couple of times,
and you see nothing but people doing you know, trapeze acts. Yeah,
stupid human trying cannons and all that tuff. But there's nothing.
I don't see one shot of an animal.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it just makes sense in the twenty first century.
And I've said this before, it won't be long before
horse racing is gone. I know people love horse racing,
and I grew up with horse racing, loves horse racing.
I'm just saying, our society has a ball to the
point where those types of attractions have a short lifespan
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in front of it.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Well, and zoos as well, as far as horse racing
goes barely, we goes by when I don't have to
report on a horse being injured and put down.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep, But zoos.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't patronize zoos myself because no matter what positive
things you can say about them, I personally find them cruel.
And there's no reason there's nothing you can see it
as zoo that you couldn't see on a screen. I mean,
you're not going to touch the animals, so what difference
does it make?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, come on, now, you all remember the petting zoo.
We get to touch the sheep and the goats.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Well, I'm gonna stick with the cat cafe if you
don't mind, where you go to a cafe and you
can pet the kiddies.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That that's all I need. Well, This is why I
don't have a lot of sympathy for those who may
be harmed doing these jobs, because we should be at
the point now it's like, you really don't need to
be a tiger tamer, you really don't need to be
a tiger handler. Haven't we evolved past that? Haven't we
move past that? Don't you know that eventually that animal,
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either intentionally or unintentionally, is going to do something to
harm you or someone else?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Oh? Yeah, when I see reports of say, bullfight gorings,
I'm on the side of the bull, the running of
the bulls.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I try to watch that live on the internet each year,
and I am looking for people to be gored. I
am hoping that it happens. Because if you're going to
willfully intentionally put yourself in front of a bull that
you've taunted, mind you just for the sake of a thrill, Oh,
(14:56):
I want you to get gord right through the back.
That is an absolute Darwin orar words. Event Yeah. Look,
I hope something bad happens to you. And I know
it's wrong to say that. I know it's wrong to
say it out loud. I know it's wrong and unchristian
like to think it but you know what, damn it,
I'm rooting for the bull too. It's okay if we
agree on something. No, it is one of the few
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things we actually agree agree upon. Now, as far as
the plastic bags, not so much, but the bull absolutely.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
All right, we're fifty to fifty for the ninth Well,
we got another three segments, so you know, I'm gonna
break this tie somehow, someway.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, it's Later with Mo Kelly. Can'fi am six forty
live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and we have an
ai Oprah update.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 9 (15:43):
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Speaker 6 (15:46):
Is being given a special package and I don't want.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You to open it.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Does everybody have a box?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
All right?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Inside one of these boxes is a key. Do not
open it yet? Okay, everybody listen up. Here is the deal.
If your box has a key, you will be the
last person today to get one of those cute little
ju sixes.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, who will it be? Are you ready? Hold on?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Are you ready? JR? Is back in our audio booth.
I want you know, JR. This calls for a drum roll,
cute the drum roll?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
All right, open your boxes? O Jim great? Remember that
(16:44):
Jim sixty. Well maybe you don't remember it with the
Luke music added to it, but you remember when Oprah
Winfrey gave away a car to everyone in that studio audience.
Oprah Winfrey, if you may not be old enough to remember,
what I would say, probably the second most popular daytime
(17:05):
talk show host behind Phil Donahue, and then she emerged
at number one later on. Her career depends on when
you found daytime television. And Oprah Winfrey was known for
her interviews, and she's done some things which I don't
necessarily approve of or agree with over you know, in
subsequent years, and she can be hit and miss, but
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it seems like she might be back to doing these specials.
And she has a special coming up regarding AI and
I'm thinking, like, well, what, I don't see the connection,
but it's going to be next week and I will
be watching, and I want to get your thoughts. Mark Runner,
definitely on this AI.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
It may fascinate you or scare you, or if you're
like me, it may do both. So let's take a
breath and find out more about it. I've gathered some
of our country's leading experts to answer all of our questions.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You have invented something.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
It's going to help us invent everything.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, it's acting faster than you guys thought.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
Absolutely, How are we even supposed to know what is
real and what isn't? AI and the Future of Us?
An Oprah one free special Thursday, September twelfth on ABC
and stream next day on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oprah Winfrey has increased her visibility as of late. We
saw her at the DNC. She's doing this special. It
seems like, you know, she wants to get back in
the public eye, not that she ever left it, but
in a more prominent way. I'm not so sure I
quite understand the pairing of Oprah Winfrey and this AI subject.
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And funly, because it's ABC, I'm thinking, like, what David
Muhr wasn't available someone some other journalists? But how did
it strike you? Mark?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
It struck me as hasn't Oprah done enough to us?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Another way of saying, I ain't come on.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
As we've talked about ad nauseum on the show, I
am completely against most uses of AI because most people
don't want or need it, and it's being forced on
us by people who stand to profit by giving us
lousier stuff that is stolen from the works of actual
human beings, especially when it comes to writing or film whatever.
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So I mean, we don't know where Oprah comes down
on this based on the promo you just played, but
it's maybe she's in the pocket of Big AI.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
We'll find out. Huh. Well, it's being positioned, I should say.
Most of our discussions have been positioned, including our legislative discussions,
have been positioned around the idea that AI is happening
and expanding and being implemented faster than we originally imagine.
And we can't foresee the growth of AI. But yet
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and still we are still running headlong into the AI future.
That's what I can't reconcile. It's like, you acknowledge that
you can't control it. You acknowledge that it's inherently dangerous
because of the lack of controls. You acknowledge that you
can't really predict what legal parameters you'll need for just
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the near future, much less five to ten years from now.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Oh yeah, and to the extent that it's inevitable it
needs to be regulated out the ying yang to prevent abuses,
and potential abuses are infinite. With this stuff, it seems.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Like we are waiting for something bad to happen to
justify doing something to prevent something really bad from happening.
It's almost like you're careering at one hundred and fifty
miles an hours like, oh, we don't need breaks, Oh no,
we'll be fine. Just keep driving straight. You don't need
to turn the wheel too much. If you do just
sensible things, you'll be just fine. And then after something
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bad happens, you may decide maybe we needed to have
a braking system.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Well, there are people who've been ahead of the curve
knowing that they could get put out of work by
this terrible stuff. But what, to you, mo would be
so bad that it would get people's attention sufficiently for regulation.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't know. I don't know. Almost we are a
reactionary people. I do say, and I do concede that
the prospect of let's say, cures for diseases or certain
technologies which could be expedited in their creation because of
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AI is attractive.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, if only that was what it was actually being
used mostly for, or even largely for But we know
for a fact that it's being used for just time
wasting garbage that also puts huge strains on our electrical
grid as well. The powering of this trivial stuff. It
costs it a ton. Yeah, but that's like the i'll say,
the consumer level use. I'm more looking at it on
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a much more expanded corporate level, scientific level, medical level, health.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And fitness level. I'm thinking about those types of applications,
the type of technologies that like quantum computing, which can
come about much more quickly because of AI and the
exponential learning curve as opposed to our natural and technological progression. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I mean, maybe you're being more of an optimist than
I'm used to, because if it were used for those things,
if we knew that AI were being used to exponentially
faster come up with a cure for say cancer or
long COVID, I'd be all for it. But what we're
seeing is that, well, people are just using it to
put say artists out of work so they don't have
to pay people a living wage.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, that's not what I'm down for. Look, and I
think that's the lower level application of it. All that
is available to the general public, and I don't think
at its highest levels we're doing that. Those are folks
who are nibbling around the edges and you know, making
up trailers and creating movies and yes, putting people out
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of work, but I don't think that is the long term,
large scale applications of the technology.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Well, there are a couple of different rules that we
know about. Number one, I forget that what it's called
like rule forty seven or something. It's like, whatever exists,
there's porn of it. And the I think Mark's rule
is whatever technology exists, it will be abused, and you
need to get ahead of that before it happens. You
need to imagine the worst possible thing that could happen
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with the technology and know that it either will be
done or it's already being done.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Oh, it's already being done. I don't think your worst
fears are going to be unrealized. It's just a function
of when we'll realize what are those worst fears and
have they been taken into account. Am I going to
watch this special, absolutely because I'm just curious to hear
what someone like Bill Gates would say, at least publicly.
You know, I don't know about privately but at least publicly.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Is this going to be a guy and I where
you and I are having a couple of cocktails kicking
back watching some Oprah.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh? Probably. It's about the only time ever that you know,
we as guys will do the bro thing with Oprah.
But it's curious to be you know. I don't get
me wrong, I love Oprah Winfrey and and I'm awed
at her contributions to media. It just seemed like a
strange pairing for her to be the voice of this,
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this sit down interview, this documentary, however, this special.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, I don't think of her as a hard hitting journalist.
I mean, I think more along the lines of puff
pieces with her. But it'll be interesting to see how
she presents it, because, by god, we've been subject to
one media disappointment after another in recent years where our
journalists just turn out to be stenographers for whatever and whoever.
I mean, I hope she really reacts like a legit journalist.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I don't know if it's being positioned as that. I
think it's being positioned as a special, not a new special.
Let's listen again.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
AI, it may fascinate you, or scare you or if
you're like me, it may do both. So let's take
a breath and find out more about it. I've gathered
some of our country's leading experts to answer all of
our questions. You have invented something that's going to help
us invent everything else.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I think faster than you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
How are we even supposed to know what is real
and what isn't? Ai and the the Future of Us
An Oprah one free special Thursday, September twelfth on ABC
and stream next day on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, it's an Oprah Winfrey Specialist, not ABC or twenty
twenty World News Tonight special.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Don't you miss Mike Wallace because this sounds like an
infomercial to me.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Look, I would have loved this to be a sixty
minute piece. Mike Wallace. I don't know Morley Safer someone
where this is in their wheelhouse.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, those guys were my heroes. I used to love
watching them finally track somebody down and get up in
their grill and confront them about things that they had
done instead of, like I said, puff pieces. Puff pieces
aren't anti journalism.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
They are and I don't think that Oprah Winfrey if
she were in this conversation, she would allege to be
a journalist in that capacity or of that type. So
I don't think she's misrepresenting herself. I think we have
to manage our expectations.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Going in your expectation of Oprah, let's pause to examine
what those are daytime television.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, okay, when we come back, when I talk about music,
the law, politics and their intersection.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And just in case you didn't know, it is the
general election season, as we're about to elect a new
president and win. These political candidates, and not just presidential candidates,
but most candidates these days, when they go out on
the campaign trail, they usually have some sort of entrance music,
a song that either hypes the crowd or hypes up
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the candidate as well, maybe just a song that the
candidate likes. Well, there are licensing issues, there are legal
issues attached. You just can't use someone's song at a
rally which is probably going to be streamed or televised
or recorded or broadcast without the associated rights. It's not
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a matter of well we like the song, we're just
paying homage to the artist. Legally, you can't do it.
Most of the time, artists are cool with it most
of the time. Most of the time they won't say anything.
They may not specifically like the candidate, or they may
not have ill feelings towards the candidate. Most of the
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time it's cool. But when you have someone like Donald Trump,
like him or loathe him, he is very polarizing. And
there have been a number of artists who have said
explicitly through cease and desist letters, public statements, or even
lawsuits that they do not want the former president using
his her their music as part of his entrances or
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campaign rallies. One of those is Eddie Grant's Electric Avenue,
and Eddie Grant is one of the few people to
actually sue Donald Trump and the Trump campaign, and this
fight has been going on for more than four years.
But what makes the story interesting is that although that
Grant sued Trump four years ago, it wasn't only having
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to do with using his music as an entrance song.
It had to do with Trump tweeting when he was
back on Twitter back then, tweeting an anti Biden cartoon
that used portions of the song in the music bed
This was August of twenty twenty. The tweet was viewed
thirteen point seven million times. Twitter eventually took it down
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to avoid legal repercussions. Eddie Grant's legal team sued, arguing
that Trump is responsible for three hundred thousand dollars in damages.
That's key, remember that number, three hundred k. This Friday,
Trump's team and Eddie Grant's team will be paired squaring
off against each other in a Manhattan courtroom to further
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litigate this issue, even though it's been going on for
four years. But check out what Trump's legal team is
set to argue. And there may be some truth to
it some but we'll see. Trump's legal team is going
to argue that Grant only owns the copyright to the
sheet music, not the recording master. And your problem, it's like, well,
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what difference does that make? Well, there are four types
of music royalties. Four there's the mechanical royalties, which focuses
on the reproduction of music. Let's say, if it's going
to be on a CD, or it's going to be
a vinyl release or streaming like via Spotify. That's the
first type. There's performance royalties and those are for when
music is performed in public, like say at a concert
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or on the radio, streamed online, or let's say at
a campaign rally. And the third type is print music
royalties or sheet music royalties, and that's paid for the
use of sheet music. Let's say you're going to have
a performance at the hollyw With Bowl John Williams is
going to perform somebody's song, Well, you need to have
the sheet music royalties for that, or if you want
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to use it for teaching or practice in schools, cheap
music royalties, Like if you're going to buy that music,
you'd pay the money. The money would go to whoever
owns those print music sheet music royalties. And the last
one we're all familiar with, you may not know what
it's called, is sink royalties. And those royalties are earned
when music is used in synchronization with visible visual media,
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like in a film or TV or video game. You
hear a song that you know, Oh yeah, that's such
and such song, that's a sink royalty. Well, with this one,
the Trump team is arguing that Eddie Grant only owns
the print music or sheet music royalty copyright, not the
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recording master or the performance so this is key, and
you would think it's probably open. It's just a matter
of who owns the paperwork. I should say, who has
the paperwork and who owns the copyright, and there usually
is a very simple way to deduce that. The question
for me is whether it's Eddie Grant the individual, or
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whether it would be the record label, which is often
the case, and not Eddie Grant. If it is the
record label who owns the recording master royalty rights, then
the Trump team could possibly maybe successfully argue that Eddie
Grant would not have standing, and then it's the record
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company which would have had to have sued or the
person which or I should say, the entity which owns
the actual copyright, and then Eddie Grant would have no
standing and no right to any type of compensation. But
here's my question. The only amount which is being argued,
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it's three hundred thousand dollars. This lawsuit has gone on
for four years, and it has included a change in
legal counsel representing Donald Trump. I know for a fact
that in just legal fees alone, he's probably spent more
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than a million dollars. And I know for a fact
that if Donald Trump loses he will also have to
pay the legal fees for Eddie Grant. He could be
on the hook for millions when it would have been easier, easier,
and less expensive to just settle this. And if he settles,
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it probably would have been for less than three hundred
thousand dollars and everyone goes away. It probably could have
been a private settlement and nobody knows. Now he's in
for at least a million, and I think that's a
conservative estimate, and he's still risks losing. So, in other words, financially,
he's going to lose it at least three times the
amount that he was being sued for, and it could
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be more. That's just the Eddie Grant song. Now, and
you've probably heard Mark Ronner reporting earlier this evening on
the Sam and daveson Hold On I'm Coming, which is
owned by the Isaac Hayes Estate. Now, Mark, you were
reporting on that. What was the last that you had
on that? Before I go further, if you can find it,
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I just want to be accurate. Let me see I
do have it right down here. Was it just a
cease and desist to not use or what are they
actually moving forward with a lawsuit?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Actually I misplaced it. But let me just add to this.
There's a whole Wikipedia page because there are so many
artists who have forbidden the Trump campaign from using their music.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Were you aware of this? Yees?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So it's like thirty different artists and we've heard of
food fighters aba. It's an impressive list of artists. But
the only thing is.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Only a few have actually taken the next step and
filed suit.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
It's pretty grant being one of them, right, because it's
a quagmire going to court. Trump has used the legal
system like nobody we've ever seen. He has personally been
in thousands of cases, which is beyond the comprehension of
most of us.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, it's beyond my comprehension because the cost of just
litigating the lawsuits is more than what is being argued
for that he would have to pay out in any
settlement what he would have to pay out in any
judgment that he would lose. So he's just holding up
in court trying to win a war of attrition when
he automatically loses because he's still spending more money than
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what he was being sued for. That's what I don't understand,
other than he just wants to avoid the public embarrassment
of having to admit defeat or loss.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I think that's just his mL. But here's the Isaac
Cay's thing. The estate of Isaac Hayes has won an
emergency preliminary injunction junction that's right, that forces former President
Trump's campaign to stop using that song, which Hayes co wrote.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
But if we use the past this prologue, they will
continue to use it and force the Isaac Hayes' estate
to sue. Because even though going back to your Wikipedia page,
of all these artists which have offered seasoned desists in
public condemnation for Trump to not use their music, he
still does it. He's daring people to sue them, sue him,
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knowing good and well, he's just going to try to
tie it up in court, like with Eddie Grant for
multiple years, even Nickelbacks suing him.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Say what you want about Nickelback, and I can say
a lot about Nickelback. Let me tell you Ozzy Osbourne,
Farrell Williams, Phil Collins.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I didn't know that, Queen. We knew about Rolling Stones.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
It's a long Tom Petty twisted sister the village people.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, because he would use YMCA, the macho man.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I know used macho man. Uh huh, A long list.
It's worth looking up.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, I do suspect that this Eddie Grant lawsuit, if
Trump loses it, it will probably open the floodgates. Now
if he is just going to drag it out in perpetuity,
I don't know how much backing Eddie Grant has in
a legal sense to keep this fight going. He was
only and I put that in quotation marks only asking
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for three hundred thousand, which is nothing in the grand
scheme of things. It would have been easier to just
pay it out. But no, he wants to fight this
in court, and he still may lose, given what I
was telling you about the different types of copyright which
may be at play here.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Well, it looks like Eddie Grant's still with us. But
you know one thing that lawsuits do is they just
deplete you financially, okay, And so sometimes even if you're
in the right, you can't afford to be sued or
to go to court, or to defend yourself because the
other person could just outspend you.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I think that's part of the strategy here, where
if Eddie Grant is only asking for three hundred thousand.
He's probably probably not that well off to find out
more about this, and at best it's a pyrrhic victory
for him. At this point, it looks that way for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And before we get out of here, just want to
say a little bit more about music copyright law and
also royalties. You may not know this when you go
out and sing karaoke as I used to do very often,
that karaoke DJ or the establishment which is hosting karaoke
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is responsible for paying. They usually play pay a flat
rate for all the songs in their catalog, but they
have to pay Those are royalty payments they have to
pay for you to be able to sing those songs
at karaoke. If you go to a concert and your
favorite artist is performing a cover song, they have to
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pay royalties for that. Or if you see a cover
tribute band, they're paying royalties for the for the right
to perform the favorite songs of your artists. So all
of this is really important to understand when you hear
your favorite music by a political candidate walking out or
if you should go see just anywhere anywhere you hear music.
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You know, for even nightclubs to play music, they have
to pay royalties. Or radio for example, when you turn
on the radio tomorrow and you listen to music on
your favorite music station, you got the station or the
station cluster has to pay royalties on that music.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
I always wondered how the math on that worked out.
But I'll tell you since you bring up karaoke. One
great source of found humor karaoke videos, Oh yeah, like
on YouTube, Oh yeah yeah, or if you just watch
the videos that play in the background when people are
doing karaoke. Those things are priceless.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh they are. They're hilarious, sometimes unintentionally hilarious. But yeah, exactly.
But you wondered how the money works out well. On albums,
they have these things called points. It's almost like a
unit of measurement where you get like six cents a
point or something like that for each album. When they
used to sell albums, you get artists like let's say
I had three points on on an album and it
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was negotiated. So let's say a point was gonna be
worth six cents. So each album that I would sell
as an artist, I would get eighteen cents, and I'm
out of this album?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
What is this like Moe Kelly's Sounds of Love? What
is the album? That's right, that's right, it sounds to
pro create by it exactly the mixtape eight songs.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
So let's say I got sixteen cents per album and
the album would go platinum, it'd sell a million albums. Well,
I would be entitled to the eighteen cents for those
million albums, but that was only after I paid back
my record label for any advances, any studio recording time,
any of all these other associated expenses. But to go
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deeper into your answer, you'd also get points on a
radio airplay. So let's say you hear one of my
songs on the radio, and if I owned the publishing
copyright for that or the associated copyright for radio airplay.
Without getting way too deep in the weeds.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Form O Kelly's Sounds to get it on too, Let's
say I get maybe three cents each time it plays,
Oh yeah, baby, come on over here with your bigger ass.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Who could resist? I should stop while I'm far behind. No, please,
you've been gone. But that was a very rough explanation.
You know, you get a few cents if you're the
artist which holds a copyright. When it's played on the radio,
you get a little bit of money, if it's if
it's used in a commercial, you get a little bit
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of money if it's used by a political candidate for
a campaign rally, just depending on which copyright you hold.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
So then theoretically Mo Kelly's songs for Knocking Up Your
Old Lady would that be? Would you get more money
for that or on Spotify? Because we hear a lot
about how artists are just absolutely ripped off.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You get almost nothing, and you get less than nothing
if you don't have the publishing for that. In other words,
there are a lot of artists who don't write their
own music, so they don't have any of the songwriting publishing.
They're not entitled to anything except maybe the performance royalty
where they see these old artists where they go on tour,
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they're seventy five years old singing and dancing their own music.
Because thus, for some artists, especially back in the day,
that was the only public excuse me, that was the
only copyright that the artists would hold, the publishing or
performance excuse me, the performance aspect of it.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
So what's the best possible venue for you to earn
money for your album? Coming into the saddle with mo.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
In other words, write the songs, get the publishing songwriting credit,
and that's why.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
That's why for the who Pete is the rich one?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Correct? Okay, look at it. They don't have liner notes anymore.
But I guess you have to Google, look up your
favorite song and see who the credited songwriter is. That's
the person who gets the lion's share of the money
without knowing the exact negotiated rate of their points. That's
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the person who get paid in perpetuity forever.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
So that's why Jagger and Richards live like Sultan's But
John ent Whistle had to die in a Sad Vegas
hotel room.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
With a couple of hookers. Most likely, if you look
at most of the songs, probably like two songwriters Jagger
and Richards.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Oh wait, nt Whistle was in the Who. I'm sorry
I mixed I mixed up the bands. But still you
look at the songwriters, look at the names.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Those are the people who get paid, like when the
song catalog is getting sold.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Those are the people get paid because they own the
rights to the song I'm in the wrong business.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I gotta start writing some music. Yeah. Yeah, that's why
there are a lot of artists who may sell millions
of albums, but they didn't write any of the songs,
and they end up broke because they're just performers.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
And they have to work on cruise ships if they're
lucky and real quick. I remember I asked you before,
but I always wondered, what's the benefit to selling your
catalog because now you're not going to get the money
for it. But then you said there's certain deals that
they can make where they can get right.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Remember last segment, I was talking about the four different
types of royalties. Yeah, it depends that they never get
specific with what is sold. If they sold all the
rights to all the songs, or they're just selling like
the synchronization rights, so the performance rights. It gets real complicated.
But yeah, you can sell a portion of those rights
and still hold on to some of them. If I
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am six forty life everywhere in the iHeartRadio app, what
the hell is going on? Well, we're about to tell you.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
And maybe you didn't know, but on the first of
this month, just a couple of days ago, there was
a rise in the membership plan for Costco members between
five and ten dollars, depending on your plan. And it's
the first time in seven years that Costco has increased
its membership fee. Now I have to talk to my
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wife about it, because she runs the whole Costco thing.
When she goes shopping, she goes to Costco. I'm really
not in the loop, but I know Mark Runner, I
know producer Lindsey have a little connection to Costco. Producer Lindsay.
Did you know that this membership fee hike was coming?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, because I don't pay the Costco thing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh it does must be not No, I don't. I
just shop.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I don't need to worry about the cost of anything.
Mark Rodner, did you know that this membership hike was coming?
I knew that my auto renewed and I didn't check
to see what the price was.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So no. It's kind of like Amazon Prime and then
they sneak in the hike that way. So how much
is it? Well, it's between five and ten dollars, that's
what I'm I think it depends on your membership plan.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Oh for the whole year. Yes, Yes, that's tolerable. I
mean they're reasonable. I don't know if you heard or not,
but I talked a little bit about Costco last night,
and I think they're a pretty reasonable outfit.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
For all the liquor you buy, yes, we'll did here. Yeah,
for all the liquor. Yes, you're storing up just in
case there's going to be a future pandemic or zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Well, if we get the big one, if we get
the nine point zho, you don't want to get caught.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You don't want to be dried out. Yeah. I looked
at this. It's like, yeah, I think that's kind of
reasonable because Costco does not have i'll say a history
or the habit of raising their membership prices year to year,
like you would say a streaming platform where they hike
up the price every single year. So if you can
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be mad at someone, it's not going to be Costco.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
There's a handful of plays is where you know they're
not going to just extract whatever they can out of you,
like in and out is the same. You know, they
raise their price as a tiny bit after the minimum
wage rise, but not like some of the other places did,
and it's a price you can live with and you
don't think, oh okay, they're just using this as an excuse,
like like we found out Kroger did right right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Which leads me to wonder Sam's Club is their direct competition,
Sam's Club, which is part of Walmart Corporation. I wonder
what their membership fees are or were, and whether they
have also.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Changed it's it's lower than Costco.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well that kind of makes sense because Sam's Club and Walton,
the Walton family have always been about trying to undercut
everyone else's prices.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think it's like ten dollars less than.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Costco as part of the annual membership.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So Okay, Yeah, I've never gone to Sam's Club. To
my knowledge, I have no reference point. I just know
that when you when you usually see a Costco, there's
a Sam's Club probably nearby in close proximity, because they
kind of like occupy the same little quadrants of cities.
You know, it's like you see McDonald's, see a Burger King.
They've already done the market research to know that that's
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the perfect location for whatever they're trying to put there.
So Sam's Club and Costco are relatively close from where
I live.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Does Sam's Club have the dollar and a half hot dogs?
I don't know, but I don't think so. Because the
hot dogs are legendary at Costco. I was gonna say
that's another benefit. They haven't raised those prices, not yet,
at least, no, they've pledged not to. I mean that's
like they're lying in the sand. Pretty cool. Yeah, well,
we talk about a line.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
There's always a line for those hot dogs, always aligned
when I happen to be going to Costco with my wife,
see that of the pizzas for sure. Yeah, I only
get the hot dogs. I don't think I've ever had
a Costco pizza. They're tolerable, they're okay. Yeah, they're a
terrific deal too, pretty good. Yeah, and I love pizza,
But I always associate the hot dogs with Costco. You know,
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I don't think of really buying anything from Costco because
that's not my area of expertise. My wife will come
back with, I don't know, thirty five boxes of egg
whites and all sorts of this and that. Look, we
have more stuff in our pantry than we need to have.
But you know she goes to Costco and she goes crazy.
Does she get like treats for Benson. Yes, yes, there's
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a huge ass. Yes, yes, it's like the dogs will
be dead by the time they finish all that food.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Everything's big there, and it's complicated to shop there if
you don't have a huge family, because whatever you get,
you're going to be using it for a while.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right, And you made a great point last night, Mark,
because you have to buy so many to get the
discount or to make the discount make sense.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well that was also I was talking about Ralph's as well,
and Ralph's as a Kroger store of course, and they've
got these deals where you see, like Doritos, they're either
six bucks for a bag or if you buy five
bags of them, you can them for two and a
half bucks.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's insidious. Yeah, I only have to taste for one
bag and I probably won't have another one for I
don't know four years.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I think I've had one bag of Dorito's in the
past four or five years. Why do you hate America?
Dorrito's are wonderful. They are wonderful.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
In fact, we have a drawer full of them, you know,
the I'll say, the specialty drawer. Yeah, oh yeah, that's
right now, we do. And I was thinking, like, do
I want some Doritos? I said, no, I don't have
a taste for them all that often.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
There's something wrong with you. Then I can always eat doritos.
There is no There is something wrong with me, but
at least I'm self aware. No. There was some something
that came up a couple of weeks ago. Somebody was
criticizing Kamala Harris for eating a whole bag of Dorito's
and I'm like that that should be the first way. Yeah,
there should That should be the first line on her resume.
Are you kidding me? You eat them?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's that's the unit of measure, bag of Dorito's. What
did you have to eat? I had a bag of Dorito's.
I didn't have like twenty chips. I had a bag.
There's time finishing it. They're engineered for you to do that.
They're suppressing your fullness impulses, so you got to eat
the whole bag. The problem I have with Dorito's is
the problem I had with Cheetos. I don't like the
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powder stuff on my hands. I don't usually eat food
with my hands, and it's not like you can eat
Doritos with a fork, So there's a conundrum there. It's
hard to eat them, and I there are times where
I've actually eaten Doritos with a napkin.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
No, I think you're one hundred percent on the right
track there, Doritos, if they were smart, they'd have little
gloves with leap bag like with hair products, they have gloves.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They should do that. Yeah. Uh, you know, have they
ever made like a naked Dorito chip, like a regular
tortilla chip, just without any of the flavor. That would
be an obscenity. Why would you want that?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Because then Dorito came out and said, no, that's part
of the quote unquote experience is having that cheese dust
or whatever one you have dust on your hands.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
If you don't need a shower after you're done with Dorito's,
you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
See. I don't like the dust of my hands. It
gets sticky. It's just oh, it's physically on offtible goes
back to my OCD.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, but it's it's just part of the experience, you
learn to love it. It's probably not worth it.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
But one of the life hacks I saw it for
people like you, mo Is they use chopsticks.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I'm pretty good with chopsticks. No, that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
That's the one I saw when they said, hey, if
you want, if you love data's but you hate the dust.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Thank you. There you go. Yes, I'm very adept and
adroit like those words with chopsticks. There, I can handle
demure as well. Here we go again. I thought so
I could not escape that word. Now it's like everywhere
it's very demure, very very very demure and mindful something
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like that. Okay, good, good.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI a M six forty.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Animals the world over have had enough of humans.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
Hornets are attacking in China, Sharks are swallowing up the
surfers in Florida. Lions and tigers are eating in turns
oh my, and bears are posing on women in the
Pacific Northwest. Unless we put a stop to the mistreatment
of animals, they can, they will.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They shine attack a tiger bitten animal handler on the arm.
Let me stop right there. You don't handle animals, but
that's what they call them. Well, Kelly here k a
tiger bitted animal handler on the arm yesterday at an
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Australian amusement park. The woman was taken by ambulance from
dream World, which is what I'm told to be the
largest theme park in Australia, to the Gold Coast University Hospital.
She was in stable condition. The staff managed the bleeding
as the ambulance was called to dream War just before
nine am during the feeding of the tiger. The park
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open to the public at ten am. Quote, we were
advised that at that location a forty seven year old female,
an experienced handler, had been bitten by one of the tigers.
The patient obviously had received some serious lacerations and punctured
wounds from the animal. She was quite pale and feeling unwell,
but generally well. How can you be feeling unwell but
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generally well. I don't know, but that's what it says.
The park's Tiger Island says it houses nine different tigers.
The park's website invites audiences to be quote amazed by
their might and raw power during feeding time where allegedly
attack happened. Now Here's the thing I don't understand. They
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want to downplay this like it's no big deal, like
it's just infrequent. And because it's infrequent, it's no big deal.
Tiger attacks at a mainstream theme park and zoos are
extremely rare. A female keeper at Zurich Zoo was killed
by one of the parks Siberian tigers. So sad. The
year before, a seven year old tiger attacked and injured
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a female zoo keeper at a zoo in Kansas. But
it's rare. Here's the question I have. Did anyone not
learn anything anything? Take me to Vegas? Did anyone not
learn anything from my friends in Las Vegas?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
You mean either Sigfried or Roy. Yeah, I don't know
which was the one who got named by the tiger.
I keep losing track, but of the yeah, it was
one of them, Sigfreid Roy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But how often do you have to see someone get
dragged by their neck off a stage for you to realize,
you know what, Maybe this is not the job for me,
Maybe I'm in the wrong line of work. No, it
will only happen to someone else. It is a tiger.
At some point, the tiger is going to go tiger
on you. It was Roy for the record, Okay, which
one was he? All that? I don't know was the Brune?
(11:05):
Yeah right, but yeah, so it's it was Roy. It
was Roy. And he dragged him off by his neck,
didn't he? Literally no, it wasn't being serious. He dragged
by his neck and dragged him off the stage. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And the way I recall the story being reported was
that the tiger wasn't even being particularly aggressive. That was
just a tiger move, similar to the way they treat their.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Cubs, right, except that we don't have like a nape
or the type of next setup which is conducive to
being dragged by our necks. We are sadly nape free. Yeah. Yeah,
maybe it was an active affection. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
It might have been, because yeah, there's videos where you
see them the mom lions picking up and they look
like they're about to bite their heads off, but they're
just holding them and they just you know, take them
where they need to go.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I have a feeling that the lion, excuse me, the tiger,
did not feel the same way about Roy that the
tiger would have felt about its cubs. I have a
feeling I can't confirm that. I can't validate or verify that. Well,
nursing does promote a certain degree of bonding. Well not
only that, as opposed to the trainer who's probably threatening
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and whipping and more than just cajoling a tiger to
do what you want to do, you know, it's being
forced to do something.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I believe that tigers resent operant conditioning like that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Didn't you. They're not pets. I don't understand this. And
this is twenty twenty four. Okay, we just had a
guest on from Wringling Brothers. The whole idea of these
animal acts, they don't really exist anymore in the United States.
I mean, did we learn anything from SeaWorld? Those things
are a part of the past when it comes to
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i'll say American theme parks at least.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I haven't circuses completely eliminated things like elephant ax.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Just yes they have cruelty, Yes they have Yes, No,
go ahead. I was gonna say.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Even the ad has come up a couple of times,
and you see nothing but people doing you know, trapeze acts. Yeah,
stupid human trying cannons and all that tuff. But there's nothing.
I don't see one shot of an animal.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it just makes sense in the twenty first century.
And I've said this before, it won't be long before
horse racing is gone. I know people love horse racing,
and I grew up with horse racing, loves horse racing.
I'm just saying, our society has a ball to the
point where those types of attractions have a short lifespan
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in front of it.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Well, and zoos as well, as far as horse racing
goes barely, we goes by when I don't have to
report on a horse being injured and put down.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep, But zoos.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't patronize zoos myself because no matter what positive
things you can say about them, I personally find them cruel.
And there's no reason there's nothing you can see it
as zoo that you couldn't see on a screen. I mean,
you're not going to touch the animals, so what difference
does it make?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, come on, now, you all remember the petting zoo.
We get to touch the sheep and the goats.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Well, I'm gonna stick with the cat cafe if you
don't mind, where you go to a cafe and you
can pet the kiddies.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That that's all I need. Well, This is why I
don't have a lot of sympathy for those who may
be harmed doing these jobs, because we should be at
the point now it's like, you really don't need to
be a tiger tamer, you really don't need to be
a tiger handler. Haven't we evolved past that? Haven't we
move past that? Don't you know that eventually that animal,
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either intentionally or unintentionally, is going to do something to
harm you or someone else?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Oh? Yeah, when I see reports of say, bullfight gorings,
I'm on the side of the bull, the running of
the bulls.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I try to watch that live on the internet each year,
and I am looking for people to be gored. I
am hoping that it happens. Because if you're going to
willfully intentionally put yourself in front of a bull that
you've taunted, mind you just for the sake of a thrill, Oh,
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I want you to get gord right through the back.
That is an absolute Darwin orar words. Event Yeah. Look,
I hope something bad happens to you. And I know
it's wrong to say that. I know it's wrong to
say it out loud. I know it's wrong and unchristian
like to think it but you know what, damn it,
I'm rooting for the bull too. It's okay if we
agree on something. No, it is one of the few
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things we actually agree agree upon. Now, as far as
the plastic bags, not so much, but the bull absolutely.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
All right, we're fifty to fifty for the ninth Well,
we got another three segments, so you know, I'm gonna
break this tie somehow, someway.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, it's Later with Mo Kelly. Can'fi am six forty
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Speaker 1 (15:37):
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Speaker 6 (15:46):
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Speaker 2 (15:49):
You to open it.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
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Speaker 6 (15:54):
Inside one of these boxes is a key. Do not
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If your box has a key, you will be the
last person today to get one of those cute little
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Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, who will it be? Are you ready? Hold on?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Are you ready? JR? Is back in our audio booth.
I want you know, JR. This calls for a drum roll,
cute the drum roll?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
All right, open your boxes? O Jim great? Remember that
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Jim sixty. Well maybe you don't remember it with the
Luke music added to it, but you remember when Oprah
Winfrey gave away a car to everyone in that studio audience.
Oprah Winfrey, if you may not be old enough to remember,
what I would say, probably the second most popular daytime
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talk show host behind Phil Donahue, and then she emerged
at number one later on. Her career depends on when
you found daytime television. And Oprah Winfrey was known for
her interviews, and she's done some things which I don't
necessarily approve of or agree with over you know, in
subsequent years, and she can be hit and miss, but
(17:26):
it seems like she might be back to doing these specials.
And she has a special coming up regarding AI and
I'm thinking, like, well, what, I don't see the connection,
but it's going to be next week and I will
be watching, and I want to get your thoughts. Mark Runner,
definitely on this AI.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
It may fascinate you or scare you, or if you're
like me, it may do both. So let's take a
breath and find out more about it. I've gathered some
of our country's leading experts to answer all of our questions.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You have invented something.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
It's going to help us invent everything.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, it's acting faster than you guys thought.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
Absolutely, How are we even supposed to know what is
real and what isn't? AI and the Future of Us?
An Oprah one free special Thursday, September twelfth on ABC
and stream next day on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oprah Winfrey has increased her visibility as of late. We
saw her at the DNC. She's doing this special. It
seems like, you know, she wants to get back in
the public eye, not that she ever left it, but
in a more prominent way. I'm not so sure I
quite understand the pairing of Oprah Winfrey and this AI subject.
(18:36):
And funly, because it's ABC, I'm thinking, like, what David
Muhr wasn't available someone some other journalists? But how did
it strike you? Mark?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
It struck me as hasn't Oprah done enough to us?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Another way of saying, I ain't come on.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
As we've talked about ad nauseum on the show, I
am completely against most uses of AI because most people
don't want or need it, and it's being forced on
us by people who stand to profit by giving us
lousier stuff that is stolen from the works of actual
human beings, especially when it comes to writing or film whatever.
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So I mean, we don't know where Oprah comes down
on this based on the promo you just played, but
it's maybe she's in the pocket of Big AI.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
We'll find out. Huh. Well, it's being positioned, I should say.
Most of our discussions have been positioned, including our legislative discussions,
have been positioned around the idea that AI is happening
and expanding and being implemented faster than we originally imagine.
And we can't foresee the growth of AI. But yet
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and still we are still running headlong into the AI future.
That's what I can't reconcile. It's like, you acknowledge that
you can't control it. You acknowledge that it's inherently dangerous
because of the lack of controls. You acknowledge that you
can't really predict what legal parameters you'll need for just
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the near future, much less five to ten years from now.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Oh yeah, and to the extent that it's inevitable it
needs to be regulated out the ying yang to prevent abuses,
and potential abuses are infinite. With this stuff, it seems.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Like we are waiting for something bad to happen to
justify doing something to prevent something really bad from happening.
It's almost like you're careering at one hundred and fifty
miles an hours like, oh, we don't need breaks, Oh no,
we'll be fine. Just keep driving straight. You don't need
to turn the wheel too much. If you do just
sensible things, you'll be just fine. And then after something
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bad happens, you may decide maybe we needed to have
a braking system.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Well, there are people who've been ahead of the curve
knowing that they could get put out of work by
this terrible stuff. But what, to you, mo would be
so bad that it would get people's attention sufficiently for regulation.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't know. I don't know. Almost we are a
reactionary people. I do say, and I do concede that
the prospect of let's say, cures for diseases or certain
technologies which could be expedited in their creation because of
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AI is attractive.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, if only that was what it was actually being
used mostly for, or even largely for But we know
for a fact that it's being used for just time
wasting garbage that also puts huge strains on our electrical
grid as well. The powering of this trivial stuff. It
costs it a ton. Yeah, but that's like the i'll say,
the consumer level use. I'm more looking at it on
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a much more expanded corporate level, scientific level, medical level, health.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And fitness level. I'm thinking about those types of applications,
the type of technologies that like quantum computing, which can
come about much more quickly because of AI and the
exponential learning curve as opposed to our natural and technological progression. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I mean, maybe you're being more of an optimist than
I'm used to, because if it were used for those things,
if we knew that AI were being used to exponentially
faster come up with a cure for say cancer or
long COVID, I'd be all for it. But what we're
seeing is that, well, people are just using it to
put say artists out of work so they don't have
to pay people a living wage.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, that's not what I'm down for. Look, and I
think that's the lower level application of it. All that
is available to the general public, and I don't think
at its highest levels we're doing that. Those are folks
who are nibbling around the edges and you know, making
up trailers and creating movies and yes, putting people out
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of work, but I don't think that is the long term,
large scale applications of the technology.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Well, there are a couple of different rules that we
know about. Number one, I forget that what it's called
like rule forty seven or something. It's like, whatever exists,
there's porn of it. And the I think Mark's rule
is whatever technology exists, it will be abused, and you
need to get ahead of that before it happens. You
need to imagine the worst possible thing that could happen
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with the technology and know that it either will be
done or it's already being done.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Oh, it's already being done. I don't think your worst
fears are going to be unrealized. It's just a function
of when we'll realize what are those worst fears and
have they been taken into account. Am I going to
watch this special, absolutely because I'm just curious to hear
what someone like Bill Gates would say, at least publicly.
You know, I don't know about privately but at least publicly.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Is this going to be a guy and I where
you and I are having a couple of cocktails kicking
back watching some Oprah.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh? Probably. It's about the only time ever that you know,
we as guys will do the bro thing with Oprah.
But it's curious to be you know. I don't get
me wrong, I love Oprah Winfrey and and I'm awed
at her contributions to media. It just seemed like a
strange pairing for her to be the voice of this,
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this sit down interview, this documentary, however, this special.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, I don't think of her as a hard hitting journalist.
I mean, I think more along the lines of puff
pieces with her. But it'll be interesting to see how
she presents it, because, by god, we've been subject to
one media disappointment after another in recent years where our
journalists just turn out to be stenographers for whatever and whoever.
I mean, I hope she really reacts like a legit journalist.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I don't know if it's being positioned as that. I
think it's being positioned as a special, not a new special.
Let's listen again.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
AI, it may fascinate you, or scare you or if
you're like me, it may do both. So let's take
a breath and find out more about it. I've gathered
some of our country's leading experts to answer all of
our questions. You have invented something that's going to help
us invent everything else.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I think faster than you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
How are we even supposed to know what is real
and what isn't? Ai and the the Future of Us
An Oprah one free special Thursday, September twelfth on ABC
and stream next day on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, it's an Oprah Winfrey Specialist, not ABC or twenty
twenty World News Tonight special.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Don't you miss Mike Wallace because this sounds like an
infomercial to me.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Look, I would have loved this to be a sixty
minute piece. Mike Wallace. I don't know Morley Safer someone
where this is in their wheelhouse.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, those guys were my heroes. I used to love
watching them finally track somebody down and get up in
their grill and confront them about things that they had
done instead of, like I said, puff pieces. Puff pieces
aren't anti journalism.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
They are and I don't think that Oprah Winfrey if
she were in this conversation, she would allege to be
a journalist in that capacity or of that type. So
I don't think she's misrepresenting herself. I think we have
to manage our expectations.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Going in your expectation of Oprah, let's pause to examine
what those are daytime television.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, okay, when we come back, when I talk about music,
the law, politics and their intersection.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And just in case you didn't know, it is the
general election season, as we're about to elect a new
president and win. These political candidates, and not just presidential candidates,
but most candidates these days, when they go out on
the campaign trail, they usually have some sort of entrance music,
a song that either hypes the crowd or hypes up
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the candidate as well, maybe just a song that the
candidate likes. Well, there are licensing issues, there are legal
issues attached. You just can't use someone's song at a
rally which is probably going to be streamed or televised
or recorded or broadcast without the associated rights. It's not
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a matter of well we like the song, we're just
paying homage to the artist. Legally, you can't do it.
Most of the time, artists are cool with it most
of the time. Most of the time they won't say anything.
They may not specifically like the candidate, or they may
not have ill feelings towards the candidate. Most of the
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time it's cool. But when you have someone like Donald Trump,
like him or loathe him, he is very polarizing. And
there have been a number of artists who have said
explicitly through cease and desist letters, public statements, or even
lawsuits that they do not want the former president using
his her their music as part of his entrances or
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campaign rallies. One of those is Eddie Grant's Electric Avenue,
and Eddie Grant is one of the few people to
actually sue Donald Trump and the Trump campaign, and this
fight has been going on for more than four years.
But what makes the story interesting is that although that
Grant sued Trump four years ago, it wasn't only having
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to do with using his music as an entrance song.
It had to do with Trump tweeting when he was
back on Twitter back then, tweeting an anti Biden cartoon
that used portions of the song in the music bed
This was August of twenty twenty. The tweet was viewed
thirteen point seven million times. Twitter eventually took it down
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to avoid legal repercussions. Eddie Grant's legal team sued, arguing
that Trump is responsible for three hundred thousand dollars in damages.
That's key, remember that number, three hundred k. This Friday,
Trump's team and Eddie Grant's team will be paired squaring
off against each other in a Manhattan courtroom to further
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litigate this issue, even though it's been going on for
four years. But check out what Trump's legal team is
set to argue. And there may be some truth to
it some but we'll see. Trump's legal team is going
to argue that Grant only owns the copyright to the
sheet music, not the recording master. And your problem, it's like, well,
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what difference does that make? Well, there are four types
of music royalties. Four there's the mechanical royalties, which focuses
on the reproduction of music. Let's say, if it's going
to be on a CD, or it's going to be
a vinyl release or streaming like via Spotify. That's the
first type. There's performance royalties and those are for when
music is performed in public, like say at a concert
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or on the radio, streamed online, or let's say at
a campaign rally. And the third type is print music
royalties or sheet music royalties, and that's paid for the
use of sheet music. Let's say you're going to have
a performance at the hollyw With Bowl John Williams is
going to perform somebody's song, Well, you need to have
the sheet music royalties for that, or if you want
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to use it for teaching or practice in schools, cheap
music royalties, Like if you're going to buy that music,
you'd pay the money. The money would go to whoever
owns those print music sheet music royalties. And the last
one we're all familiar with, you may not know what
it's called, is sink royalties. And those royalties are earned
when music is used in synchronization with visible visual media,
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like in a film or TV or video game. You
hear a song that you know, Oh yeah, that's such
and such song, that's a sink royalty. Well, with this one,
the Trump team is arguing that Eddie Grant only owns
the print music or sheet music royalty copyright, not the
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recording master or the performance so this is key, and
you would think it's probably open. It's just a matter
of who owns the paperwork. I should say, who has
the paperwork and who owns the copyright, and there usually
is a very simple way to deduce that. The question
for me is whether it's Eddie Grant the individual, or
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whether it would be the record label, which is often
the case, and not Eddie Grant. If it is the
record label who owns the recording master royalty rights, then
the Trump team could possibly maybe successfully argue that Eddie
Grant would not have standing, and then it's the record
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company which would have had to have sued or the
person which or I should say, the entity which owns
the actual copyright, and then Eddie Grant would have no
standing and no right to any type of compensation. But
here's my question. The only amount which is being argued,
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it's three hundred thousand dollars. This lawsuit has gone on
for four years, and it has included a change in
legal counsel representing Donald Trump. I know for a fact
that in just legal fees alone, he's probably spent more
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than a million dollars. And I know for a fact
that if Donald Trump loses he will also have to
pay the legal fees for Eddie Grant. He could be
on the hook for millions when it would have been easier, easier,
and less expensive to just settle this. And if he settles,
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it probably would have been for less than three hundred
thousand dollars and everyone goes away. It probably could have
been a private settlement and nobody knows. Now he's in
for at least a million, and I think that's a
conservative estimate, and he's still risks losing. So, in other words, financially,
he's going to lose it at least three times the
amount that he was being sued for, and it could
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be more. That's just the Eddie Grant song. Now, and
you've probably heard Mark Ronner reporting earlier this evening on
the Sam and daveson Hold On I'm Coming, which is
owned by the Isaac Hayes Estate. Now, Mark, you were
reporting on that. What was the last that you had
on that? Before I go further, if you can find it,
(33:24):
I just want to be accurate. Let me see I
do have it right down here. Was it just a
cease and desist to not use or what are they
actually moving forward with a lawsuit?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Actually I misplaced it. But let me just add to this.
There's a whole Wikipedia page because there are so many
artists who have forbidden the Trump campaign from using their music.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Were you aware of this? Yees?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So it's like thirty different artists and we've heard of
food fighters aba. It's an impressive list of artists. But
the only thing is.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Only a few have actually taken the next step and
filed suit.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
It's pretty grant being one of them, right, because it's
a quagmire going to court. Trump has used the legal
system like nobody we've ever seen. He has personally been
in thousands of cases, which is beyond the comprehension of
most of us.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, it's beyond my comprehension because the cost of just
litigating the lawsuits is more than what is being argued
for that he would have to pay out in any
settlement what he would have to pay out in any
judgment that he would lose. So he's just holding up
in court trying to win a war of attrition when
he automatically loses because he's still spending more money than
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what he was being sued for. That's what I don't understand,
other than he just wants to avoid the public embarrassment
of having to admit defeat or loss.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I think that's just his mL. But here's the Isaac
Cay's thing. The estate of Isaac Hayes has won an
emergency preliminary injunction junction that's right, that forces former President
Trump's campaign to stop using that song, which Hayes co wrote.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
But if we use the past this prologue, they will
continue to use it and force the Isaac Hayes' estate
to sue. Because even though going back to your Wikipedia page,
of all these artists which have offered seasoned desists in
public condemnation for Trump to not use their music, he
still does it. He's daring people to sue them, sue him,
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knowing good and well, he's just going to try to
tie it up in court, like with Eddie Grant for
multiple years, even Nickelbacks suing him.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Say what you want about Nickelback, and I can say
a lot about Nickelback. Let me tell you Ozzy Osbourne,
Farrell Williams, Phil Collins.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I didn't know that, Queen. We knew about Rolling Stones.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
It's a long Tom Petty twisted sister the village people.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, because he would use YMCA, the macho man.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I know used macho man. Uh huh, A long list.
It's worth looking up.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, I do suspect that this Eddie Grant lawsuit, if
Trump loses it, it will probably open the floodgates. Now
if he is just going to drag it out in perpetuity,
I don't know how much backing Eddie Grant has in
a legal sense to keep this fight going. He was
only and I put that in quotation marks only asking
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for three hundred thousand, which is nothing in the grand
scheme of things. It would have been easier to just
pay it out. But no, he wants to fight this
in court, and he still may lose, given what I
was telling you about the different types of copyright which
may be at play here.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Well, it looks like Eddie Grant's still with us. But
you know one thing that lawsuits do is they just
deplete you financially, okay, And so sometimes even if you're
in the right, you can't afford to be sued or
to go to court, or to defend yourself because the
other person could just outspend you.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I think that's part of the strategy here, where
if Eddie Grant is only asking for three hundred thousand.
He's probably probably not that well off to find out
more about this, and at best it's a pyrrhic victory
for him. At this point, it looks that way for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And before we get out of here, just want to
say a little bit more about music copyright law and
also royalties. You may not know this when you go
out and sing karaoke as I used to do very often,
that karaoke DJ or the establishment which is hosting karaoke
(37:33):
is responsible for paying. They usually play pay a flat
rate for all the songs in their catalog, but they
have to pay Those are royalty payments they have to
pay for you to be able to sing those songs
at karaoke. If you go to a concert and your
favorite artist is performing a cover song, they have to
(37:54):
pay royalties for that. Or if you see a cover
tribute band, they're paying royalties for the for the right
to perform the favorite songs of your artists. So all
of this is really important to understand when you hear
your favorite music by a political candidate walking out or
if you should go see just anywhere anywhere you hear music.
(38:18):
You know, for even nightclubs to play music, they have
to pay royalties. Or radio for example, when you turn
on the radio tomorrow and you listen to music on
your favorite music station, you got the station or the
station cluster has to pay royalties on that music.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
I always wondered how the math on that worked out.
But I'll tell you since you bring up karaoke. One
great source of found humor karaoke videos, Oh yeah, like
on YouTube, Oh yeah yeah, or if you just watch
the videos that play in the background when people are
doing karaoke. Those things are priceless.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh they are. They're hilarious, sometimes unintentionally hilarious. But yeah, exactly.
But you wondered how the money works out well. On albums,
they have these things called points. It's almost like a
unit of measurement where you get like six cents a
point or something like that for each album. When they
used to sell albums, you get artists like let's say
I had three points on on an album and it
(39:16):
was negotiated. So let's say a point was gonna be
worth six cents. So each album that I would sell
as an artist, I would get eighteen cents, and I'm
out of this album?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
What is this like Moe Kelly's Sounds of Love? What
is the album? That's right, that's right, it sounds to
pro create by it exactly the mixtape eight songs.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
So let's say I got sixteen cents per album and
the album would go platinum, it'd sell a million albums. Well,
I would be entitled to the eighteen cents for those
million albums, but that was only after I paid back
my record label for any advances, any studio recording time,
any of all these other associated expenses. But to go
(39:57):
deeper into your answer, you'd also get points on a
radio airplay. So let's say you hear one of my
songs on the radio, and if I owned the publishing
copyright for that or the associated copyright for radio airplay.
Without getting way too deep in the weeds.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Form O Kelly's Sounds to get it on too, Let's
say I get maybe three cents each time it plays,
Oh yeah, baby, come on over here with your bigger ass.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Who could resist? I should stop while I'm far behind. No, please,
you've been gone. But that was a very rough explanation.
You know, you get a few cents if you're the
artist which holds a copyright. When it's played on the radio,
you get a little bit of money, if it's if
it's used in a commercial, you get a little bit
(40:54):
of money if it's used by a political candidate for
a campaign rally, just depending on which copyright you hold.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
So then theoretically Mo Kelly's songs for Knocking Up Your
Old Lady would that be? Would you get more money
for that or on Spotify? Because we hear a lot
about how artists are just absolutely ripped off.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You get almost nothing, and you get less than nothing
if you don't have the publishing for that. In other words,
there are a lot of artists who don't write their
own music, so they don't have any of the songwriting publishing.
They're not entitled to anything except maybe the performance royalty
where they see these old artists where they go on tour,
(41:33):
they're seventy five years old singing and dancing their own music.
Because thus, for some artists, especially back in the day,
that was the only public excuse me, that was the
only copyright that the artists would hold, the publishing or
performance excuse me, the performance aspect of it.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
So what's the best possible venue for you to earn
money for your album? Coming into the saddle with mo.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
In other words, write the songs, get the publishing songwriting credit,
and that's why.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
That's why for the who Pete is the rich one?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Correct? Okay, look at it. They don't have liner notes anymore.
But I guess you have to Google, look up your
favorite song and see who the credited songwriter is. That's
the person who gets the lion's share of the money
without knowing the exact negotiated rate of their points. That's
(42:26):
the person who get paid in perpetuity forever.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
So that's why Jagger and Richards live like Sultan's But
John ent Whistle had to die in a Sad Vegas
hotel room.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
With a couple of hookers. Most likely, if you look
at most of the songs, probably like two songwriters Jagger
and Richards.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Oh wait, nt Whistle was in the Who. I'm sorry
I mixed I mixed up the bands. But still you
look at the songwriters, look at the names.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Those are the people who get paid, like when the
song catalog is getting sold.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Those are the people get paid because they own the
rights to the song I'm in the wrong business.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I gotta start writing some music. Yeah. Yeah, that's why
there are a lot of artists who may sell millions
of albums, but they didn't write any of the songs,
and they end up broke because they're just performers.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
And they have to work on cruise ships if they're
lucky and real quick. I remember I asked you before,
but I always wondered, what's the benefit to selling your
catalog because now you're not going to get the money
for it. But then you said there's certain deals that
they can make where they can get right.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Remember last segment, I was talking about the four different
types of royalties. Yeah, it depends that they never get
specific with what is sold. If they sold all the
rights to all the songs, or they're just selling like
the synchronization rights, so the performance rights. It gets real complicated.
But yeah, you can sell a portion of those rights
and still hold on to some of them. If I
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