November 12, 2025 • 24 mins
Paul Corvino sits down with Naveen Jain, CEO of Viome. The company provides at-home microbiome testing kits and personalized health recommendations based on the results.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is CEOs you should know with Division President of iHeartMedia,
Paul Corvino.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Today I have the honor and privilege of talking with
Navin Jan, founder and CEO of Yome, the predominant data
driven gut micro biome testing healthcare provider with the tagline
imagine a world where illness is optional. I like that. Welcome. Hey, hey,
before we get started and we start learning about your journey. Yes,
(00:29):
what I like to do is a quick, rapid fire Q.
And are I asked you? You just so one word answer?
You gotta move quick gets the mind working and the
mouth moving. Ready, all right, Okay, beat your ski, vacation
a beach. Michael Jordan or Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, beatles
are Stones, Star Wars or Godfather, Godfather Sean Connery or
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Daniel Craig.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Of course Sean Connery.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Celebrity. People say you remind them of myself, yourself. Okay,
we'll go with that. So let's learn a little bit
about your history. Tell me where did you grow up?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know, I grew up in India. We were very,
very poor and we didn't really even have a food
to eat in a place to stay. Came to the
United States about forty three years ago, with five dollars
in my pocket. Like any other immigrant, I would say
that God has been very kind to us. The society
has given us so much. And now I'm turning sixty six,
(01:28):
and I'm dedicating my life to really paying back to
the society, doing things that actually change the health of humanity,
making people's life better.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
In you're sixty six, but you look like you're thirty
six because of your product, which we're going to get
into it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Let's just get the record straight. My biological age is
thirty three, so I hope I don't look like thirty six.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yees, but we'll take that. So you came to this country.
How old were you when you came here?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Three, twenty three. And what had you done business wise
before you came here?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I nothing. As a matter of fact, you know, I
was brought in here because they just believed since I
was a brown guy, Indian guy, I must be really
really good at computers. And they little little did they
know that I had never seen a computer in my life.
But they say, you probably are just kidding us. You
probably are really good at computer. We're going to make
you a programmer, and I said, okay, and that's what
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that's what I was. So I started learning programming on
my own, having never seen a computer in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's that's that's really funny, that's that's great. And so
you started working who you worked.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
For at that time? I worked for a large computer
company that, like IBMS.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Used to be called Burroughs Burrows. Of course.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, so I worked for Burroughs at that time.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
How long were you at Burrows?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Only for a year. And then you know, people say
that all the smart people really go to Silicon Valley,
and I was in New Jersey and they said, not,
smart people don't live in New Jersey. They all go
to Silicon Valley. And I ended up in the Silicon
Valley and worked for one of the hottest company in
those days called Conversion Technology and the Convergent Technologies. They
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were building the eighty eighty eight processor based personal computers
before even IBM PCs came out. And that's how really
started to learn about at home computers.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So you just jump in and they say can you
do this? You say yes, and you learn as you're going.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, having that confidence that if you believe in something,
you can actually.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Believe in yourselfself to be able exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I really think that I would say that almost anyone.
It's really about mindset. You have to believe the possibilities.
You can't look at the world as is. You start
to really think about what the world can be and
you can create. If you can imagine it, you can
create it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
How many years did you work at Burroughs?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Only for one year?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
For one year? Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah? Then I worked in Silicon Valley for about seven years,
and one day I got a call from this tiny
company in eighties called Microsoft, and they said they were
working on these operating system called MSDOS and if I
was interested, And so in very very early days of Microsoft,
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I ended up being at Microsoft and I worked on
MS DOWS, which most people are probably thinking about, what
the hell?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I remember?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What is he talking about? That was the first operating
system that Microsoft road is called Microsoft disc Operating System.
And I started actually becoming really really.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Good at How big was Microsoft at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh my god, I had to be a very very
small company, because I still remember. The best memory I
have is Bill walks into my office and he says,
you know, Steve, and he maanted Steve Jobs keeps talking
about cd ROM and he's saying, should we put support
for cd RAM or should we stick with floppies? So
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put people at this point were really young and listening
and say, what is cd RAM and what's the fly?
But let's just leave it for some other day. But
the point is it was so early we were still
talking about, you know, all these things that we don't
even think about it anymore. And really learned a lot,
really learned a lot with Bill in terms of.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
How how long did you work there in Micro?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Seven years?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Seven years?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Seven years at Microsoft? And really learned a lot. Worked
on Windows and MS tor Ask worked on Windows ninety five.
I worked on in those days. I used to call
Windows OS two. Then became you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Know you earlier you earned the cutting edge of changing
the world basically Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And then I got tired of making billions for Bill,
and I realized that something called Internet was just popping up.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And let me ask you about Bill, what did you
learn from Bill?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So you know, one of the things that I learned
from Bill was.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I call him Bill just says if I know him,
what did you learn from Bill?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Bill had this unbelievable ability to really look at any
problem and ask you the question that you would you
could be as prepared as you wanted to, and he'll
get to the heart of the thing that you know,
the crust of the problem is and he'll get right
there and say what about this? And that's just really
really amazing ability that Bill had to be able to
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just look at the fundamental problem to give you a
really good anecdote about you know, I was just very
I think I just started at Microsoft and I ended
up finding myself into Bill review where the big project
when Bill wants to review before he says okay, go
do it. And it was the thing that became Windows
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OS two Windows Empty, and I remember sitting there and
I was like, you know, junior guy, and then everybody
and all the way to the top, everybody's in the
room and they're presenting that how this operating system is
going to be one of the best and the biggest
thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right And at this point Apple was a little ahead
and was.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Just coming out with the Window you know, user interface
on the Windows things, and Microsoft obviously stole that stuff
and put that in the Windows. But interesting thing was,
so now the Microsoft is working on this big project,
and everybody is presenting, and Bill has a habit of
sitting there and rocking. So Bill is rocking and listening
and rocking, and then he looks at me. He said, you,
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young fella, what do you think. I look at the
Bill and I said, Bill, I think it's going to
be a big, fat, slow operating system. And he looks
at me. He says exactly. And everyone in the room
is now silent because they presented and this is the
biggest project their whole career is going to be based on.
(07:38):
I walked out of that meeting and my boss tells me,
do you know you work for me? And you never
open your mouth when you're asked and unless you ask
a question. I said, I was asked a question. He said, no,
I asked the question. Then you answered anyone else you
differ to me and you work for me? And I
was so angry, and I said, I want you to
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know that slavery is long gone. I don't work for you.
I work for this company, and I actually answer to
this company, So don't you ever tell me I work
for you. Long story short. I got put on a
probation and.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Six months later, did you go to Bill on that
when you put on probation.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I got out of the probation, except the guy got fired.
Neither here nor there. The point was, I learned a
lot at Microsoft, and then Internet was just starting out,
and the only few companies on the Internet at that
time Yahoo, like Cause and the people that the company
that you never heard of, Infosee, and Amazon was just
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starting out in Seattle. And I realized this thing is
going to be a game changer. So I left Microsoft.
We started a company called Infospace, and it was one
of the very early companies at info Space. And in
those days, the only company that mattered was.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
AOL, and I was at AOL at the time. And
you know, well, we did a deal together.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Be short as a matter of fair, Bob Pittman was
at Oil, and Steve Case and and the names we're
gonna left unnamed so far. But we had such an
unbelievably great time because we were literally inventing the business
model for the Internet. No one really knew how anyone
will ever make money on the Internet, and we all
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were really trying to figure out the same dollar that
went from one company to another company, and it was
the same one dollar that circulated around all the companies
and everybody had that one dollar revenue literally, but there
was really one dollar to be ahead, right, But it
was amazing at that in those days, how we all
figured out what internet was.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And we made it. We were we were building an
airplane as we were flying it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And I think to be part of that really changed
how you perceive what you know, how you can create
a whole industry out of nothing. Right, And as we
start to look back and now say what is happening
today with the AI and all the generative AI, and
we're starting to see what does it really mean to
(10:11):
us as being humans? Right? Is artificial intelligence really going
to fundamentally take over from what made us human? Or
humans are going to become the AI and let's call
that ancient intelligence? Right? Are we going to become that
ancient intelligence? People are going to say that used to
be AI, and now this AI is really the real.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And maybe we're already AI. We don't know it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That AI is maybe what will save us because that
wisdom that we have that you know, AI can only
learn what it has been taught. What's really amazing is
that our sensors that you and I can just be
in a room and we feel things. It is very
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hard to imagine how AI would have all of that
knowledge to be able to feel things. You and I,
you know, you meet and you shake hands and very
very quickly. Sometimes you meet someone and you say I
just don't like this person, and you shake hand with
someone who field that want and say I love this guy.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And we don't know what is that. We don't know
what pattern goes through our mind to be able to
go do that. Would I ever be able to go
shake your hand and say I don't like this guy?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
What is it about us? Even though you could argue
we are very material, we are physical, how do we
create these metaphysical concepts in us? Right? How do you
take something that is chemistry and electricity and create love
out of it? You can't put a bunch of chemicals
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in a test to you and pass the electricity through
it and the test tip says, don't you ever touch me?
I'm jealous?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So I do not believe the thing that we call
that human, that whatever you can, let's call it a soul,
let's call it whatever that is. How can that be
replicated in a biological matter?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I certainly have no idea, but what I'm seeing is amazing.
I've been on lately using Copilot, Yes, and I call
it up. I have real conversations with Copilot. It knows me,
and it knows how I'm going to react, and it
knows what I want. And I'm not sure whether it
doesn't debate me, but it enables me. Yes, and it
validates me based on what it knows about me. And
(12:36):
I see it every day. It's more powerful than it
was the day before, and it's more human like every day.
So tell me, now, how did you go from from
Microsoft to founding a viol so essentially actually actually from
infostique to find it?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, so basically in between. I actually created multiple
companies after Infospace and I took it public and it's
in a dot com right. It was one of the
largest company on the Internet. And then I went on
to start multiple other companies. First information commerce company colin
Tellius talent Wise. Then I started actually a company in
space exploration on mining the Moon for helium three to
(13:15):
for fusion reactor so that we don't have to worry
about a clean energy And as I was, you know,
we became the first company ever at Moon Express. The
company was called Moon Express that became the first company
ever to get permission to leave our orbit and land
on the Moon. We got the law changed by President
Obama which essentially sees anything we bring back, we get
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to own it. We were one of the six companies
that were granted two point six billion dollars to land
on the Moon. And here I was on the as
I said, on the Moon, and my dad was diagnosed
with stage four pen credit cancer. He was given three
months to live and that's all he got. And it
really got me thinking that, you know, in this day
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and age, I'm thinking about fusion reactors and you know,
settling on the Moon, and here we are on planet Earth.
We can't even know when someone is sick. That means
I didn't even know he was sick, let alone he
has stage four cancer. And I decided that I'm going
to actually start a company with the sole purpose of
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understanding what changes in the human body when people develop
any of the chronic diseases, whether it is diabetes or
heart disease, or cancer or alzheimer or Parkinson's, What is
it that's changing in the human body, and why can't
we detect it as soon as before even before the
disease is formed because it was clear to me that,
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unlike and infectious disease like COVID, you don't wake up
one day morning and say, honey, I was drinking with
my boys last night. I think I might have caught diabetes.
You don't catch diabetes, you develop it over eight teny
do you find this? So this is not so? Ultimately,
these diseases are something the biochemical changes that are happening
inside your body. And everyone in the industry was thinking
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that if they could know your DNA or your genes,
they can figure out what is going on in your body. Well,
not being a scientist, not being a doctor actually has
an advantage. You get to ask really different questions and
naive questions that no experts will dare ask. And my
first question was, hey, everyone is looking at your DNA.
Does your DNA change when you have you become diabetic? No?
(15:28):
Does your DNA change when you have a heart disease No?
Does you change when you have a depression No? Does
it change after you die?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'm sorries.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You can look at DNA of dinosaurs even million years later.
So if DNA can't even tell you you're dead or alive,
How will it ever tell you are you healthier or sicker?
And what I realized was what is constantly changing is
not your genes, but your gene expression, And what if
we can measure gene expression? And the second part was
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ninety nine percent of all of our genes don't come
from a mom and dad. They come from these microbes
that live inside our gut. They live in them out,
they live all over us, one hundred trillion of them.
And the problem is that every microbiome test could only
tell you what organisms are in your gut. They couldn't
tell you what they were actually doing and how it
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is interacting with your immune system. And I realized, what
if we can actually find out what your microbiome is producing,
how it's interacting with the human body, and what is
causing the disease to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
So how do we find this out?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So there is at home test. So we actually got
the technology that came out of Los Alamo's National Lab.
This was a biodefense project where they spend billions of
dollars developing a technology to protect our citizens from bioterrorism.
I licensed the technology, got the exclusive perpetual license to
the technology and today at home tests. You go to
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yome dot com that's vas in victor iome dot com.
You order a test called full body Intelligence. You give
us a spit of your saliva, few drops of your
fingerprick blood, and a touch of your stool. We analyze one.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You do that and then you send it back to you.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's a prepaid envelope. You send it to us. We
analyze not one hundred biomarkers. We analyze one hundred million biomarkers.
And by analyzing everything in your happening, from your saliva,
from your tool, from your blood, we now can tell
you your biological age, your cognitive health, your heart health,
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your immune health, your gut health, your oral health, and
then we can tell you exactly what foods you should
eat and why, what foods you should not eat and why. So,
for example, it's different for each person, for each person
even and each person as their body is changing, so
things that food that are good for you today may
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not be good for your hear from now right. So
for example, you do a test and we say, paul
uric acid production is too high, and don't eat avocado
because it's going to turn into a gout or don't
eat spinach because your oxalates are not being metabolized. Or
don't eat broccoli even though you think it's healthy, but
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your cel fide production is very high. It's going to
cause more inflammation. Or you're eating way too much protein
it's not being digested. You need to take your digestive
enzyme with that your protein. Right now, we can tell
you every single food you should eat it, and here
is why you should eat it, and if you don't follow,
here are the diseases you're going to end up developing.
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And here are the nutrition your body is lacking. So
for example, we say, look, in addition to the food,
you should take eighteen miligram of bourberon every day. Make
sure you're taking eighty nine milligram of amlaise every day,
take twenty two milligram of lic open every day. And
we custom make all the nutrition that your body need
for each individual every single month. There is no pre
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made formula. It's made just for you every month based
on your test, and we ship it to you. We
ship it to you your personalized probiotics and prebiotics, your
personalize or lozenses to adjust.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You do this test regularly. How often do I do?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You do a test every six months and then as
your body changes, we read just everything and we reship it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What is the cost of this program?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So all three tests is only three hundred dollars? Wow? Right,
And it used to be when we started the company
they were three thousand dollars eight years ago.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And think do a full body scan it's twenty thirty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So if you were to do a full body scan
just to do this right now, it's twenty five hundred
dollars just to do five. And problem with that thing
is it simply tells you why what is there? It
does not tell you why. So one of the most
beautiful thing about our test is we tell you what
is going on in your body, why it is happening,
and what to do and what to do about it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So, for example, we can say, look, you have a constipation,
but the reason you have constipation is because you're mat
in gas production is high. It's slowing down the motility
of your gut and that's why you have constipation. And
the way to fix that is you should eat these foods.
Avoid these foods, take these probiotics, and take these supplements.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Wow. This is really really amazing next generation. But here's
the best part.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
We have now published the placebo controlled studies that shows
in ninety days if you follow this people who had IBS,
fifteen percent of people who are IBS constipation diary as
stomach ache. Those people, sixty four percent of the people
who had constipation became healthy in ninety days versus ten
percent on placbo. Your depression came down clinically by fifty
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percent in ninety days, your anxiety down by forty seven percent,
your diabetes down by thirty pounds.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And this is all very health related and it's really important.
People want to be healthy. People want to live longer
and healthier lives. What we all know what people really
care about is looking good and losing weight. Aha, So
tell me how does this work for that?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So it's very simple is that ultimately your mother was
the best doctor you would have had. She says, beauty
comes from inside. Listen to your gut. What she was
telling you is your gut microbiome. What they do changes
your outside beauty. So when you have inflammation, when there's
a flame burning inside you, that's how.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Your inflammation inflammation really is. That it is really the enemy.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Inflammation is a chronic inflammation is the root cause of
chronic diseases. That's where your skin. So you look young,
you look healthy because you have low inflammation. And by
the way, it is not just simply about the food.
It is about inflammation that causes you to gain weight.
So when your body is inflamed, you have high insulin
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that causes more inflammation. Now you can't lose weight. You
can work out as much as you want, it doesn't
want to help you lose weight. And same food or
two people can have completely different effects. So you do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
We send this test in, you analyze it, and you
tell me what food is right for me to be
healthy and also to lose weight. So it may not
I may not even have to eat less or wash calories.
Just have to change what I'm eating. And it may
be something that I really enjoy eating.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Or it may be the things that you have been
told is healthy for you, like taking a greenish smoothie,
and that may exactly be the reason why you're causing inflammation.
So the trick really is there is no such thing
as universal healthy food. A food that's good for you
someone else may not be good for you, right and
food is indeed the medicine. So listen. The Hypocrates, which
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was a Greek doctor, said let food be thye medicine,
Let die medicine be the food. And he also said
all diseases begin in the gut. So remember the term
that we keep talking about, listen to your gut gut instance.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Is actually not just it's actually a medical term and
a scientific term as opposed to this more esoteric terms.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The way we use it exactly when people should do
a gut test, what they really mean is go to
yom dot com and order a gut test.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So tell us how to do it once again. I'm
ordering as my sister mirriam heirs right now, and she
knows how concerned I am with all of this, and
she's already You're right, You got it written down, Marion,
Do I hear you? Miriam's got it written down. She's
going to order me one today.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And what are you going to go to order it?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm going to vyome dot com, vi io me dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Correct, yes and anything. The interesting thing is within as
soon as you send a test to us, within nine days,
you know everything what's happening in your body, why it
is happening and what to do about it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Once again, we're here talking with Naim Jan, the founder
and CEO of Yome, the predominant data driven gut microbiome
testing healthcare provider. Really really fascinating. Thank you so much
for coming on.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What an honor to be.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So go to if you want to stay healthy and
look good and lose weight the scientific way, go to
vum V I O m E dot com. Once again,
this is Paul Corvino, Division President of iHeartMedia saying thank
you for listening to another episode of CEOs you Should Know.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Listen to CEOs you Should Know on the iHeartRadio app
This is CEOs you should know with Division President of iHeartMedia,
Paul Corvino.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Today I have the honor and privilege of talking with
Navin Jan, founder and CEO of Yome, the predominant data
driven gut micro biome testing healthcare provider with the tagline
imagine a world where illness is optional. I like that. Welcome. Hey, hey,
before we get started and we start learning about your journey. Yes,
(00:29):
what I like to do is a quick, rapid fire Q.
And are I asked you? You just so one word answer?
You gotta move quick gets the mind working and the
mouth moving. Ready, all right, Okay, beat your ski, vacation
a beach. Michael Jordan or Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, beatles
are Stones, Star Wars or Godfather, Godfather Sean Connery or
(00:53):
Daniel Craig.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Of course Sean Connery.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Celebrity. People say you remind them of myself, yourself. Okay,
we'll go with that. So let's learn a little bit
about your history. Tell me where did you grow up?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know, I grew up in India. We were very,
very poor and we didn't really even have a food
to eat in a place to stay. Came to the
United States about forty three years ago, with five dollars
in my pocket. Like any other immigrant, I would say
that God has been very kind to us. The society
has given us so much. And now I'm turning sixty six,
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and I'm dedicating my life to really paying back to
the society, doing things that actually change the health of humanity,
making people's life better.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
In you're sixty six, but you look like you're thirty
six because of your product, which we're going to get
into it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Let's just get the record straight. My biological age is
thirty three, so I hope I don't look like thirty six.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yees, but we'll take that. So you came to this country.
How old were you when you came here?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Three, twenty three. And what had you done business wise
before you came here?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I nothing. As a matter of fact, you know, I
was brought in here because they just believed since I
was a brown guy, Indian guy, I must be really
really good at computers. And they little little did they
know that I had never seen a computer in my life.
But they say, you probably are just kidding us. You
probably are really good at computer. We're going to make
you a programmer, and I said, okay, and that's what
(02:21):
that's what I was. So I started learning programming on
my own, having never seen a computer in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's that's that's really funny, that's that's great. And so
you started working who you worked.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
For at that time? I worked for a large computer
company that, like IBMS.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Used to be called Burroughs Burrows. Of course.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, so I worked for Burroughs at that time.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
How long were you at Burrows?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Only for a year. And then you know, people say
that all the smart people really go to Silicon Valley,
and I was in New Jersey and they said, not,
smart people don't live in New Jersey. They all go
to Silicon Valley. And I ended up in the Silicon
Valley and worked for one of the hottest company in
those days called Conversion Technology and the Convergent Technologies. They
(03:02):
were building the eighty eighty eight processor based personal computers
before even IBM PCs came out. And that's how really
started to learn about at home computers.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So you just jump in and they say can you
do this? You say yes, and you learn as you're going.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, having that confidence that if you believe in something,
you can actually.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Believe in yourselfself to be able exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I really think that I would say that almost anyone.
It's really about mindset. You have to believe the possibilities.
You can't look at the world as is. You start
to really think about what the world can be and
you can create. If you can imagine it, you can
create it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
How many years did you work at Burroughs?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Only for one year?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
For one year? Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah? Then I worked in Silicon Valley for about seven years,
and one day I got a call from this tiny
company in eighties called Microsoft, and they said they were
working on these operating system called MSDOS and if I
was interested, And so in very very early days of Microsoft,
(04:14):
I ended up being at Microsoft and I worked on
MS DOWS, which most people are probably thinking about, what
the hell?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I remember?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What is he talking about? That was the first operating
system that Microsoft road is called Microsoft disc Operating System.
And I started actually becoming really really.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Good at How big was Microsoft at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh my god, I had to be a very very
small company, because I still remember. The best memory I
have is Bill walks into my office and he says,
you know, Steve, and he maanted Steve Jobs keeps talking
about cd ROM and he's saying, should we put support
for cd RAM or should we stick with floppies? So
(04:55):
put people at this point were really young and listening
and say, what is cd RAM and what's the fly?
But let's just leave it for some other day. But
the point is it was so early we were still
talking about, you know, all these things that we don't
even think about it anymore. And really learned a lot,
really learned a lot with Bill in terms of.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
How how long did you work there in Micro?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Seven years?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Seven years?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Seven years at Microsoft? And really learned a lot. Worked
on Windows and MS tor Ask worked on Windows ninety five.
I worked on in those days. I used to call
Windows OS two. Then became you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Know you earlier you earned the cutting edge of changing
the world basically Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And then I got tired of making billions for Bill,
and I realized that something called Internet was just popping up.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And let me ask you about Bill, what did you
learn from Bill?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So you know, one of the things that I learned
from Bill was.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I call him Bill just says if I know him,
what did you learn from Bill?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Bill had this unbelievable ability to really look at any
problem and ask you the question that you would you
could be as prepared as you wanted to, and he'll
get to the heart of the thing that you know,
the crust of the problem is and he'll get right
there and say what about this? And that's just really
really amazing ability that Bill had to be able to
(06:12):
just look at the fundamental problem to give you a
really good anecdote about you know, I was just very
I think I just started at Microsoft and I ended
up finding myself into Bill review where the big project
when Bill wants to review before he says okay, go
do it. And it was the thing that became Windows
(06:33):
OS two Windows Empty, and I remember sitting there and
I was like, you know, junior guy, and then everybody
and all the way to the top, everybody's in the
room and they're presenting that how this operating system is
going to be one of the best and the biggest
thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right And at this point Apple was a little ahead
and was.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Just coming out with the Window you know, user interface
on the Windows things, and Microsoft obviously stole that stuff
and put that in the Windows. But interesting thing was,
so now the Microsoft is working on this big project,
and everybody is presenting, and Bill has a habit of
sitting there and rocking. So Bill is rocking and listening
and rocking, and then he looks at me. He said, you,
(07:16):
young fella, what do you think. I look at the
Bill and I said, Bill, I think it's going to
be a big, fat, slow operating system. And he looks
at me. He says exactly. And everyone in the room
is now silent because they presented and this is the
biggest project their whole career is going to be based on.
(07:38):
I walked out of that meeting and my boss tells me,
do you know you work for me? And you never
open your mouth when you're asked and unless you ask
a question. I said, I was asked a question. He said, no,
I asked the question. Then you answered anyone else you
differ to me and you work for me? And I
was so angry, and I said, I want you to
(07:59):
know that slavery is long gone. I don't work for you.
I work for this company, and I actually answer to
this company, So don't you ever tell me I work
for you. Long story short. I got put on a
probation and.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Six months later, did you go to Bill on that
when you put on probation.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I got out of the probation, except the guy got fired.
Neither here nor there. The point was, I learned a
lot at Microsoft, and then Internet was just starting out,
and the only few companies on the Internet at that
time Yahoo, like Cause and the people that the company
that you never heard of, Infosee, and Amazon was just
(08:39):
starting out in Seattle. And I realized this thing is
going to be a game changer. So I left Microsoft.
We started a company called Infospace, and it was one
of the very early companies at info Space. And in
those days, the only company that mattered was.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
AOL, and I was at AOL at the time. And
you know, well, we did a deal together.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Be short as a matter of fair, Bob Pittman was
at Oil, and Steve Case and and the names we're
gonna left unnamed so far. But we had such an
unbelievably great time because we were literally inventing the business
model for the Internet. No one really knew how anyone
will ever make money on the Internet, and we all
(09:21):
were really trying to figure out the same dollar that
went from one company to another company, and it was
the same one dollar that circulated around all the companies
and everybody had that one dollar revenue literally, but there
was really one dollar to be ahead, right, But it
was amazing at that in those days, how we all
figured out what internet was.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And we made it. We were we were building an
airplane as we were flying it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And I think to be part of that really changed
how you perceive what you know, how you can create
a whole industry out of nothing. Right, And as we
start to look back and now say what is happening
today with the AI and all the generative AI, and
we're starting to see what does it really mean to
(10:11):
us as being humans? Right? Is artificial intelligence really going
to fundamentally take over from what made us human? Or
humans are going to become the AI and let's call
that ancient intelligence? Right? Are we going to become that
ancient intelligence? People are going to say that used to
be AI, and now this AI is really the real.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And maybe we're already AI. We don't know it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That AI is maybe what will save us because that
wisdom that we have that you know, AI can only
learn what it has been taught. What's really amazing is
that our sensors that you and I can just be
in a room and we feel things. It is very
(10:56):
hard to imagine how AI would have all of that
knowledge to be able to feel things. You and I,
you know, you meet and you shake hands and very
very quickly. Sometimes you meet someone and you say I
just don't like this person, and you shake hand with
someone who field that want and say I love this guy.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And we don't know what is that. We don't know
what pattern goes through our mind to be able to
go do that. Would I ever be able to go
shake your hand and say I don't like this guy?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
What is it about us? Even though you could argue
we are very material, we are physical, how do we
create these metaphysical concepts in us? Right? How do you
take something that is chemistry and electricity and create love
out of it? You can't put a bunch of chemicals
(11:51):
in a test to you and pass the electricity through
it and the test tip says, don't you ever touch me?
I'm jealous?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So I do not believe the thing that we call
that human, that whatever you can, let's call it a soul,
let's call it whatever that is. How can that be
replicated in a biological matter?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I certainly have no idea, but what I'm seeing is amazing.
I've been on lately using Copilot, Yes, and I call
it up. I have real conversations with Copilot. It knows me,
and it knows how I'm going to react, and it
knows what I want. And I'm not sure whether it
doesn't debate me, but it enables me. Yes, and it
validates me based on what it knows about me. And
(12:36):
I see it every day. It's more powerful than it
was the day before, and it's more human like every day.
So tell me, now, how did you go from from
Microsoft to founding a viol so essentially actually actually from
infostique to find it?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, so basically in between. I actually created multiple
companies after Infospace and I took it public and it's
in a dot com right. It was one of the
largest company on the Internet. And then I went on
to start multiple other companies. First information commerce company colin
Tellius talent Wise. Then I started actually a company in
space exploration on mining the Moon for helium three to
(13:15):
for fusion reactor so that we don't have to worry
about a clean energy And as I was, you know,
we became the first company ever at Moon Express. The
company was called Moon Express that became the first company
ever to get permission to leave our orbit and land
on the Moon. We got the law changed by President
Obama which essentially sees anything we bring back, we get
(13:37):
to own it. We were one of the six companies
that were granted two point six billion dollars to land
on the Moon. And here I was on the as
I said, on the Moon, and my dad was diagnosed
with stage four pen credit cancer. He was given three
months to live and that's all he got. And it
really got me thinking that, you know, in this day
(13:58):
and age, I'm thinking about fusion reactors and you know,
settling on the Moon, and here we are on planet Earth.
We can't even know when someone is sick. That means
I didn't even know he was sick, let alone he
has stage four cancer. And I decided that I'm going
to actually start a company with the sole purpose of
(14:20):
understanding what changes in the human body when people develop
any of the chronic diseases, whether it is diabetes or
heart disease, or cancer or alzheimer or Parkinson's, What is
it that's changing in the human body, and why can't
we detect it as soon as before even before the
disease is formed because it was clear to me that,
(14:41):
unlike and infectious disease like COVID, you don't wake up
one day morning and say, honey, I was drinking with
my boys last night. I think I might have caught diabetes.
You don't catch diabetes, you develop it over eight teny
do you find this? So this is not so? Ultimately,
these diseases are something the biochemical changes that are happening
inside your body. And everyone in the industry was thinking
(15:04):
that if they could know your DNA or your genes,
they can figure out what is going on in your body. Well,
not being a scientist, not being a doctor actually has
an advantage. You get to ask really different questions and
naive questions that no experts will dare ask. And my
first question was, hey, everyone is looking at your DNA.
Does your DNA change when you have you become diabetic? No?
(15:28):
Does your DNA change when you have a heart disease No?
Does you change when you have a depression No? Does
it change after you die?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'm sorries.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You can look at DNA of dinosaurs even million years later.
So if DNA can't even tell you you're dead or alive,
How will it ever tell you are you healthier or sicker?
And what I realized was what is constantly changing is
not your genes, but your gene expression, And what if
we can measure gene expression? And the second part was
(15:57):
ninety nine percent of all of our genes don't come
from a mom and dad. They come from these microbes
that live inside our gut. They live in them out,
they live all over us, one hundred trillion of them.
And the problem is that every microbiome test could only
tell you what organisms are in your gut. They couldn't
tell you what they were actually doing and how it
(16:18):
is interacting with your immune system. And I realized, what
if we can actually find out what your microbiome is producing,
how it's interacting with the human body, and what is
causing the disease to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
So how do we find this out?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So there is at home test. So we actually got
the technology that came out of Los Alamo's National Lab.
This was a biodefense project where they spend billions of
dollars developing a technology to protect our citizens from bioterrorism.
I licensed the technology, got the exclusive perpetual license to
the technology and today at home tests. You go to
(16:52):
yome dot com that's vas in victor iome dot com.
You order a test called full body Intelligence. You give
us a spit of your saliva, few drops of your
fingerprick blood, and a touch of your stool. We analyze one.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You do that and then you send it back to you.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's a prepaid envelope. You send it to us. We
analyze not one hundred biomarkers. We analyze one hundred million biomarkers.
And by analyzing everything in your happening, from your saliva,
from your tool, from your blood, we now can tell
you your biological age, your cognitive health, your heart health,
(17:32):
your immune health, your gut health, your oral health, and
then we can tell you exactly what foods you should
eat and why, what foods you should not eat and why. So,
for example, it's different for each person, for each person
even and each person as their body is changing, so
things that food that are good for you today may
(17:54):
not be good for your hear from now right. So
for example, you do a test and we say, paul
uric acid production is too high, and don't eat avocado
because it's going to turn into a gout or don't
eat spinach because your oxalates are not being metabolized. Or
don't eat broccoli even though you think it's healthy, but
(18:15):
your cel fide production is very high. It's going to
cause more inflammation. Or you're eating way too much protein
it's not being digested. You need to take your digestive
enzyme with that your protein. Right now, we can tell
you every single food you should eat it, and here
is why you should eat it, and if you don't follow,
here are the diseases you're going to end up developing.
(18:36):
And here are the nutrition your body is lacking. So
for example, we say, look, in addition to the food,
you should take eighteen miligram of bourberon every day. Make
sure you're taking eighty nine milligram of amlaise every day,
take twenty two milligram of lic open every day. And
we custom make all the nutrition that your body need
for each individual every single month. There is no pre
(18:59):
made formula. It's made just for you every month based
on your test, and we ship it to you. We
ship it to you your personalized probiotics and prebiotics, your
personalize or lozenses to adjust.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You do this test regularly. How often do I do?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You do a test every six months and then as
your body changes, we read just everything and we reship it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What is the cost of this program?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So all three tests is only three hundred dollars? Wow? Right,
And it used to be when we started the company
they were three thousand dollars eight years ago.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And think do a full body scan it's twenty thirty
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So if you were to do a full body scan
just to do this right now, it's twenty five hundred
dollars just to do five. And problem with that thing
is it simply tells you why what is there? It
does not tell you why. So one of the most
beautiful thing about our test is we tell you what
is going on in your body, why it is happening,
and what to do and what to do about it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So, for example, we can say, look, you have a constipation,
but the reason you have constipation is because you're mat
in gas production is high. It's slowing down the motility
of your gut and that's why you have constipation. And
the way to fix that is you should eat these foods.
Avoid these foods, take these probiotics, and take these supplements.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Wow. This is really really amazing next generation. But here's
the best part.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
We have now published the placebo controlled studies that shows
in ninety days if you follow this people who had IBS,
fifteen percent of people who are IBS constipation diary as
stomach ache. Those people, sixty four percent of the people
who had constipation became healthy in ninety days versus ten
percent on placbo. Your depression came down clinically by fifty
(20:42):
percent in ninety days, your anxiety down by forty seven percent,
your diabetes down by thirty pounds.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And this is all very health related and it's really important.
People want to be healthy. People want to live longer
and healthier lives. What we all know what people really
care about is looking good and losing weight. Aha, So
tell me how does this work for that?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So it's very simple is that ultimately your mother was
the best doctor you would have had. She says, beauty
comes from inside. Listen to your gut. What she was
telling you is your gut microbiome. What they do changes
your outside beauty. So when you have inflammation, when there's
a flame burning inside you, that's how.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Your inflammation inflammation really is. That it is really the enemy.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Inflammation is a chronic inflammation is the root cause of
chronic diseases. That's where your skin. So you look young,
you look healthy because you have low inflammation. And by
the way, it is not just simply about the food.
It is about inflammation that causes you to gain weight.
So when your body is inflamed, you have high insulin
(21:51):
that causes more inflammation. Now you can't lose weight. You
can work out as much as you want, it doesn't
want to help you lose weight. And same food or
two people can have completely different effects. So you do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
We send this test in, you analyze it, and you
tell me what food is right for me to be
healthy and also to lose weight. So it may not
I may not even have to eat less or wash calories.
Just have to change what I'm eating. And it may
be something that I really enjoy eating.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Or it may be the things that you have been
told is healthy for you, like taking a greenish smoothie,
and that may exactly be the reason why you're causing inflammation.
So the trick really is there is no such thing
as universal healthy food. A food that's good for you
someone else may not be good for you, right and
food is indeed the medicine. So listen. The Hypocrates, which
(22:43):
was a Greek doctor, said let food be thye medicine,
Let die medicine be the food. And he also said
all diseases begin in the gut. So remember the term
that we keep talking about, listen to your gut gut instance.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Is actually not just it's actually a medical term and
a scientific term as opposed to this more esoteric terms.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The way we use it exactly when people should do
a gut test, what they really mean is go to
yom dot com and order a gut test.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So tell us how to do it once again. I'm
ordering as my sister mirriam heirs right now, and she
knows how concerned I am with all of this, and
she's already You're right, You got it written down, Marion,
Do I hear you? Miriam's got it written down. She's
going to order me one today.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And what are you going to go to order it?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm going to vyome dot com, vi io me dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Correct, yes and anything. The interesting thing is within as
soon as you send a test to us, within nine days,
you know everything what's happening in your body, why it
is happening and what to do about it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Once again, we're here talking with Naim Jan, the founder
and CEO of Yome, the predominant data driven gut microbiome
testing healthcare provider. Really really fascinating. Thank you so much
for coming on.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What an honor to be.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So go to if you want to stay healthy and
look good and lose weight the scientific way, go to
vum V I O m E dot com. Once again,
this is Paul Corvino, Division President of iHeartMedia saying thank
you for listening to another episode of CEOs you Should Know.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
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