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Some young adults bucking trends and seeking intense religious experiences. The battle for street parking in Los Angeles: One man wages war through TikTok. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about CDC’s view on the Hepatitis B vaccine, Fentanyl vaccine, and whether melatonin is good for kids.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You are listening to the bill Handle show. I am
six forty bill handle here. Oh yes, everybody is rolling
back and forth. Here some of those stories we are covering.
(00:28):
We're looking at the Fed lowering interest rates today and
there's a new pool from Politico about half Americans find
their monthly bills groceries, healthcare utilities difficult to afford. Americans
are now blaming the President for high prices at the
grocery stores, while he is telling them that's not true.
(00:49):
Prices have gone down. You are not paying the money
that you are paying. It's just not true. Okay, go
figure religion. I love talking about religion. Neil and I
have been talking about religion for thirty years and we
have these great discussions. So let me tell you what
is going on and immediately grab this, of course, knowing
(01:13):
that I'd be fascinated by this, and that there is
a new and actually a hidden trend, maybe not so hidden.
Religious and spiritual leaders say that they are observing younger
Americans are getting religion now, even as fewer and fewer
people young people consider themselves religious. There is a small
(01:36):
and according to these folks, a growing percentage of young
adults who are practicing their faiths with unusual dedication. People
in their early twenties rejecting both religion by habit. What
does that mean, well, doing whatever your parents did, as
well as secularism. The kind of life I live very
(01:57):
not religious skepticism. Yep, that's me agnosticism. I would consider
myself more of an agnostic because if you're an atheist,
then you have a belief that there is no God,
and religion is or lack of religion is simply belief.
And this is across all of visible faiths, including the
(02:19):
brick and mortar worship of Catholicism. Going to church and
church going has increased dramatically ever since the church added
cheese whiz to the wafers that they give you on Sunday.
You also have Jewish students, college students who are attending
the Habbad centers. That's a whole different world. These are
(02:40):
religious organizations, but they're in every place. Habad is in
every place. You can go to a Habbad Center in Gnome, Alaska.
It's that widespread. And then you have esoteric practices. The
Wika based full Moon rituals. Is this where they howl
(03:01):
at the moon? Is that what happens with WICCA? Also
a West African religion divination called IFA, which I have
no idea what that is, but there are more and
more religions out there that is crazy. So the campus
chapelain of the University of Maryland says, in the past,
(03:22):
you went to mass out of obligation. This generation of
Catholic parents don't even expect their kids to go, don't
even want them to go. So there is a huge
line that is according this is anecdotal, aren't studies. Matter
of fact, the studies I'm going to talk about go
the other way, and I'll tell you about that in
(03:43):
a moment. But the number of people that is being
reported going to these religious centers is growing. I think
it's more they're more fervent, is what's happening. I think
the folks who have gone religion have gone much more fervent.
And a lot of politics is involved, which used to
(04:03):
not happen. And here is an example. All right, you
had the killing of conservative activists Charlie Kirk, who spoke
very often about his Christian faith. He put his politics
and his Christian faith together. And when you see when
you saw those rallies and those memorials to Charlie Kirk,
(04:27):
how many people did you see throw their hands up
in the air and look at the sky and go
back and forth almost like the wave and pray during
the service. And wasn't even a religious service. It was
a political rally. Charlie Kirk became a martyr, went beyond politics.
(04:48):
And you didn't see that before. You never saw that before.
And so it is. It's pretty difficult. We are hearing
anecdotally more religious leader saying that more and more young people,
college students, etc. Are finding religion organized religion, in many
cases much more so. And a lot of them are
(05:10):
saying that what young people are seeking is meaning in
their lives. And buy that religious people tend to marriages
last longer. I think they're happier. And I want to
share before we jump in with the neil, I want
to share with you. And you know I'm not religious.
(05:30):
I am agnostic at best. I go once a year
to synagogue and for me it is a historical event
because at high holidays on yum Kipur, what they do
is blow the chauffeur, which is the Ram's horn that
is blown. And when you talk about the trumpets at
(05:51):
the walls of Jericho, that's what these were. These were
the rams horns, which has tremendous significance in the Jewish religion.
And what makes it so important for me historically is
this has been going on for thousands of years and
there is a tune if you will, it's not much
of a tune, but there is different notes that you
(06:16):
play or that whoever does the chow foreur plays that note.
Those notes are going on the same way all over
the world, in every country there is a jew and
that goes back thousands of years. That hits me that
I have to tell you. I get chills on that one.
I really do the rest of the time, eh, you know,
(06:37):
all right, it's a religion, Thank you very much. So, Neil,
you are really a religious expert and you talk about
religion a whole lot. Do you see this happening? Number one?
And why do you think? Why do you think this
is happening? Because all the research says it's going the
other way. Yet we're hearing from religious leaders that people
(06:58):
are going back to religion, and when they do, it's
a much more deeper way.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Faith has always been cyclical if you look throughout history,
and that's one of the reasons you respond to the
so far is that you the historical significance of it,
the fact that it's been around so long. That's something
that speaks to you as somebody who loves history.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So everybody that you know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
The old saying that there's no atheists in foxholes is
that you either are motivated by something in your life
that knocks you on your back, so you look to
God naturally.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But it's always been cyclical.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The Dark Ages, different periods of time where people have
turned away from God is a part of the walk.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I find people to be more religious now than ever.
They're just not religious in the God stuff. They're religious
with their politics. They're religious with other corps principles. But
it's been said if you don't believe in something, you'll
believe or fall for anything, right, So if you don't
have a core principle that's given to you by your
(08:09):
parents or somebody important to you, that's when you get
into conspiracy theories. That's what you get into weirder stuff
actually than the mainstream belief system. And that's kind of
happening now, but there's also always going to be a resurgence.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
There was a resurgence after nine to eleven, you remember that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Sure that people started going back to church and there
was a resurgence in that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I have a question. You may not know the answer
to this one, but is televangelism flat? Is it on
his way up? Is it on his way down? With
these you know, the big, massive churches where the more
you give, the more Jesus likes you.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh, you mean, as far as televangelism and it being specific,
I think people connect differently now than ever before. So
that's more on the TV side of things. But as
far as certain what I would call heresies like name
it and Claim it or prosperity movements or something like that,
they'll always exist.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
They existed during Biblical times.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, have you seen? You? Obviously are involved with religion
every week as you produce, and I have to keep
a straight face as you produce the Jesus Show.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
It's funny when I talk about handle on the law.
It's hard to keep a straight face.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Exactly, and handle on the law is and the people
who follow handle the law ignore it religiously. I must
tell you but in interaction with the people over the
years with the Jesus Show, where are you finding religion?
Do you follow the concept that organized religion is decreasing
(09:58):
or the other way around.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
People do not want to be accountable, So people stop
believing in things that they have to be accountable to
or that convict them emotionally, spiritually, or otherwise. They prefer
spirituality or saying things like that because there's no accountability.
There's no It's just like, I'm spiritual. Well what does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You have organized religion or disorganized religion. Those are your choices.
And if you're going anything other than organized religion ultimately
means you're self worshiping. You don't want to be accountable
to something else. You just want to have a bigger
you out in the universe.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah. Incidentally, there are no atheists in foxholes. There are
plenty of atheists in fox holes. They just get blown up.
And so I'll have no hope faith. I wouldn't turn
if I were in a fox hole, I don't think
I would turn religious. And if I'm about to die
(11:02):
in the electric chair or in a prison of lethal injection,
I don't think I would become religious, which everybody does,
or a lot of people have become very religious in prison,
maybe because they're just bored and they don't know what else.
And here's one other question before we bail. There is
a guy, Christian Smith, who's a sociologist runs the Center
(11:22):
for Study of Religion and Society at the University of
Notre Dame or Notre Dame. He says that what young
people are looking for enchantment, meaning in everything paganism is
going up, magic books, games about demons, dungeons and dragons.
Have you seen that happening.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
There's more interest in that. But that's been an ebb
and flow too. You remember in the seventies and early
eighties with the Ouija board and things like that. It's
always been a fascination with communication, and go back to
Harry Houdini and his fascination with spirituality and whether there
was life after death and you could communicate with people.
So but again those are all and with all due
(12:04):
respect to Wickens and the like those, you're not accountable
to something you're serving or you're worshiping the creation, and
once you do that, you're not accountable. It separates yourself
from the creator. So it all depends from your perspective,
I suppose.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, that's a little deep for me. Yeah, well you
know Roses, doctor Syliser Blue. You know I have no religion,
and how about you. I mean, that's as far as
it goes for me. Okay, thank you for yes, thank
you for your insight on that one. All right, coming up,
there's going to be another episode in Crazy today. We
(12:42):
only have two, but we're gonna be doing this, I think,
on a regular basis. All Right, stories that we are covering. Uh.
Has the Fed already lowered interest rates to amy They
were supposed to do it at uh at eleven thirty
the East coast time. It has not been announced yet. Okay,
we'll yep, yep, yep. And that's a fairly big deal.
(13:04):
And there's a new poll from Politico. Almost half Americans
find their monthly bills groceries, healthcare, utilities, they're having a
hard time affording it. Fifty five percent Americans are blaming
the President while he is saying that prices are down.
That I guess it is well. Affordability he said was
(13:26):
a democratic hoax. There's no such thing of a problem
with prices being up. Yeah, it's going to cost him.
I think that's going to cost him. Now it's time
for doctor Jim Keinney Medical News Jim chief medical officer
for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, and
we are going to start off with another episode of crazy,
(13:49):
which is where we are going to go. Jim. First
of all, good morning, Good morning, Bill. There you go, okay, crazy,
Let me throw this at you. Did you ever think
that the CDC was going to undo its recommendation for
hepatitis B vaccine for new boards?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, definitely not without some type of you know, scientific
backing or level of concern. I mean, this was like
a problem that didn't exist that they that they decided
they would address. So yeah, it is shocking.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And who was it? I think it was, Oh, it
was Bill Cassidy, the Senator who is a physician, a
big proponent of vaccines that he did in private practice
or he was with some public agencies. And he's the
one that voted. He was the vote that gave JFK
(14:43):
Junior or RFK Junior the confirmation. He said, twenty thousand
kids a year used to die before the hepatitis B
vaccine was given at birth now it is under twenty
one point nine to nine percent effective. And you know,
(15:04):
I don't even know where they go with this, Jim,
So what is going on? Does mainstream science just go
crazy and just shake its head and going, we'll get
past this nuts?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, I mean, maybe this will bring back, you know,
the doctor patient relationship because doctors are going to have
to stop and now you know, we just can't rely
on Hey, this is what a recommendation say. You're gonna
have to have a conversation with patients now, so you know,
hopefully that'll build that back up because it's super important.
And just to clarify, you know, some people might be thinking, hey,
(15:36):
this was before the hepatitis vaccine that twenty thousand used
to die. No, this is after the hepatitis vaccine when
we didn't give it on the birth dose. Is which
is what they're eliminating twenty thousand cases of chronic hepatitis
B that result in cirrhosis to the liver later on
in life and let potential liver transplants and also liver cancer.
(15:58):
So we're not going to see the negative impacts of
this for twenty thirty years. And you know, and it's
really going back to some an experiment we've already done
and it was a failed experiment.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, at some point, well I guess at this point,
medical science is just shaking its head, your head and saying,
for the next what at least three years, we're going
to see more and more of this. Are we going
to see Are we going to see infants actually getting
hepatitis B?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
We will?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And this is why I mean a lot so people
don't understand hepatitis. They don't understand the enemy, right, so
they're saying, oh, if the mother tests negative, then what
are you worried about? There's no possibility of transmission. So
number one not true. The way hepatitis works is once
you're infected, there is a window where and it can
be a month or longer, where you're not showing up
(16:57):
as positive on your lab result, but you're infected. You
haven't created at all the antibodies that we're measuring yet.
It also ignores the fact that a lot of women
don't get the prescribed prenatal care, so about twenty percent
don't get it at all. So we're talking about how
this is going to disproportionately impact you know, people who
are lower socioeconomic groups that don't have that aren't highly educated,
(17:21):
that won't be able to go have a long conversation.
You know, they're going to the community clinics. They won't
be able to have a long conversation with their doctor
to discuss this, and so it's going to be interesting.
There's also I mean, the bottom line is the labs
get dropped. You know, we don't have a tight system
between outpatient and inpatient, so do we really know if
the mother was tested positive or not. There's just so
(17:43):
many possibilities for this to go bad. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know. This reminds me when I was a kid
and there was a huge controversy about the fluoridation of
the drinking water here in Los Angeles that there really
was no putting floor, I know, but yet.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
We had it again as soon as as our game.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I know. I mean, it's it's it's it's beyond belief.
It's science fiction. So in the general literature out there
as a percentage the anti vax doctors, I'm assuming it's
the just the tiniest percentage, and who have an enormous
influence based on RFK junior, Is that right?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh yeah, I mean you mean which doctors don't believe
in vaccine?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah, as a percentage of doctors out there practicing,
what would you guess. I'm sure there are studies.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, extremely low and so probably one of the more
famous ones was written a book doctor Sears about And
I wouldn't call him an anti vaxer. He doesn't call
himself an anti vaxer. He called he's modified to vaccination
schedule to make families feel more comfortable with the number
of vaccines the kids get. But you know, they even
(19:01):
the doctors who people might label as anti vaxxer, as
my point is, they're not truly anti vaxxers. They believe
in vaccines, and then they get they get painted as, look,
this doctor doesn't believe in vaccines. That's not actually true.
So you know, we did have you know, during the
flu seasons, we do have about on a staff that
(19:21):
in my other hospital, on my current hospital and staff
about nine hundred doctors, we'd have about three that would
say I'm not getting the flu vaccine out of principle.
The rest might say I'm allergic to it or you know,
those type of things, but about three, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, as you know, we've talked. I'm a huge fan
of vaccines, even to the point where I vaccinate is
my vaccinate my kids? Was just saline because I just
liked the idea. All right, a fentanyl vaccine, which means
you can have all of these drugs and not worry
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, not quite, but yes, this is a novel approach
to you know, harm reduction basically, right, So what you
love to do is walk in the ram ventation and
just say, hey, stop using drugs. But that approach absolutely
does not work at all. So what we're trying to
do is some harm reduction. One of those that we've
done in the past is now making narcan or in
(20:15):
a lock zone free over the counter from any pharmacy,
and now people are carrying that stuff around when they
do use drugs, and instead of accidentally overdosing, now when
they're with a friend or with a family member, they can.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Reverse the drug.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
This is a different approach. What this is is they're trying. Now,
this is a new study. They don't haven't proven that
this even works yet, but the plan is to create
an antibody that binds to the fentanyl, so fentanyl can't
cross the blood brain barrier and then that won't cause
the respiratory depression. It also won't cause the high so
that could be potential harm reduction, especially because a lot
(20:55):
of these overdoses people were using some other drug and
they didn't know fentanyl was in there, or they just
got a higher than normal concentration and they overdosed accidentally.
So this could prevent a lot of those deaths. So far,
then the lock zones dropped it from like seventy five
thousand to fifty thousand deaths a year. This could bring
it even further.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Down, Yeah, which is big news. One quick question, does
it matter the amount of fentanyl that is in your
system and at what point does a narcon reverse it
or can you go too much?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yea, yeah, no, it definitely matters how much. So the
narcan will reverse a very very high dose. But this antibodies, right,
you can overcome most antibodies in most situations. So that's
the concern is that people could either continue to use
and then try and overdose, you know, go above and
beyond what they normally would have used. And some people
(21:48):
probably will be non responders, so then they will still
be at risk even though they get the vaccine, so
there's still this is a long way from being used,
but it was a really interesting approach. I thought that
was kind of interesting new approach towards reducing risk and
harm from opiate overdoses.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I hate when we do good news on this segment.
You know that, don't you. I know, I'm surprised we've
been doing that way too long. Okay, Jim, thank you.
We'll catch you next Wednesday. And coming up right about now,
it's Gary and Shannon. You've been listening to The Bill
Handle Show. Catch My Show Monday through Friday, six am
(22:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
You are listening to the bill Handle show. I am
six forty bill handle here. Oh yes, everybody is rolling
back and forth. Here some of those stories we are covering.
(00:28):
We're looking at the Fed lowering interest rates today and
there's a new pool from Politico about half Americans find
their monthly bills groceries, healthcare utilities difficult to afford. Americans
are now blaming the President for high prices at the
grocery stores, while he is telling them that's not true.
(00:49):
Prices have gone down. You are not paying the money
that you are paying. It's just not true. Okay, go
figure religion. I love talking about religion. Neil and I
have been talking about religion for thirty years and we
have these great discussions. So let me tell you what
is going on and immediately grab this, of course, knowing
(01:13):
that I'd be fascinated by this, and that there is
a new and actually a hidden trend, maybe not so hidden.
Religious and spiritual leaders say that they are observing younger
Americans are getting religion now, even as fewer and fewer
people young people consider themselves religious. There is a small
(01:36):
and according to these folks, a growing percentage of young
adults who are practicing their faiths with unusual dedication. People
in their early twenties rejecting both religion by habit. What
does that mean, well, doing whatever your parents did, as
well as secularism. The kind of life I live very
(01:57):
not religious skepticism. Yep, that's me agnosticism. I would consider
myself more of an agnostic because if you're an atheist,
then you have a belief that there is no God,
and religion is or lack of religion is simply belief.
And this is across all of visible faiths, including the
(02:19):
brick and mortar worship of Catholicism. Going to church and
church going has increased dramatically ever since the church added
cheese whiz to the wafers that they give you on Sunday.
You also have Jewish students, college students who are attending
the Habbad centers. That's a whole different world. These are
(02:40):
religious organizations, but they're in every place. Habad is in
every place. You can go to a Habbad Center in Gnome, Alaska.
It's that widespread. And then you have esoteric practices. The
Wika based full Moon rituals. Is this where they howl
(03:01):
at the moon? Is that what happens with WICCA? Also
a West African religion divination called IFA, which I have
no idea what that is, but there are more and
more religions out there that is crazy. So the campus
chapelain of the University of Maryland says, in the past,
(03:22):
you went to mass out of obligation. This generation of
Catholic parents don't even expect their kids to go, don't
even want them to go. So there is a huge
line that is according this is anecdotal, aren't studies. Matter
of fact, the studies I'm going to talk about go
the other way, and I'll tell you about that in
(03:43):
a moment. But the number of people that is being
reported going to these religious centers is growing. I think
it's more they're more fervent, is what's happening. I think
the folks who have gone religion have gone much more fervent.
And a lot of politics is involved, which used to
(04:03):
not happen. And here is an example. All right, you
had the killing of conservative activists Charlie Kirk, who spoke
very often about his Christian faith. He put his politics
and his Christian faith together. And when you see when
you saw those rallies and those memorials to Charlie Kirk,
(04:27):
how many people did you see throw their hands up
in the air and look at the sky and go
back and forth almost like the wave and pray during
the service. And wasn't even a religious service. It was
a political rally. Charlie Kirk became a martyr, went beyond politics.
(04:48):
And you didn't see that before. You never saw that before.
And so it is. It's pretty difficult. We are hearing
anecdotally more religious leader saying that more and more young people,
college students, etc. Are finding religion organized religion, in many
cases much more so. And a lot of them are
(05:10):
saying that what young people are seeking is meaning in
their lives. And buy that religious people tend to marriages
last longer. I think they're happier. And I want to
share before we jump in with the neil, I want
to share with you. And you know I'm not religious.
(05:30):
I am agnostic at best. I go once a year
to synagogue and for me it is a historical event
because at high holidays on yum Kipur, what they do
is blow the chauffeur, which is the Ram's horn that
is blown. And when you talk about the trumpets at
(05:51):
the walls of Jericho, that's what these were. These were
the rams horns, which has tremendous significance in the Jewish religion.
And what makes it so important for me historically is
this has been going on for thousands of years and
there is a tune if you will, it's not much
of a tune, but there is different notes that you
(06:16):
play or that whoever does the chow foreur plays that note.
Those notes are going on the same way all over
the world, in every country there is a jew and
that goes back thousands of years. That hits me that
I have to tell you. I get chills on that one.
I really do the rest of the time, eh, you know,
(06:37):
all right, it's a religion, Thank you very much. So, Neil,
you are really a religious expert and you talk about
religion a whole lot. Do you see this happening? Number one?
And why do you think? Why do you think this
is happening? Because all the research says it's going the
other way. Yet we're hearing from religious leaders that people
(06:58):
are going back to religion, and when they do, it's
a much more deeper way.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Faith has always been cyclical if you look throughout history,
and that's one of the reasons you respond to the
so far is that you the historical significance of it,
the fact that it's been around so long. That's something
that speaks to you as somebody who loves history.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So everybody that you know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
The old saying that there's no atheists in foxholes is
that you either are motivated by something in your life
that knocks you on your back, so you look to
God naturally.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But it's always been cyclical.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The Dark Ages, different periods of time where people have
turned away from God is a part of the walk.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I find people to be more religious now than ever.
They're just not religious in the God stuff. They're religious
with their politics. They're religious with other corps principles. But
it's been said if you don't believe in something, you'll
believe or fall for anything, right, So if you don't
have a core principle that's given to you by your
(08:09):
parents or somebody important to you, that's when you get
into conspiracy theories. That's what you get into weirder stuff
actually than the mainstream belief system. And that's kind of
happening now, but there's also always going to be a resurgence.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
There was a resurgence after nine to eleven, you remember that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Sure that people started going back to church and there
was a resurgence in that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I have a question. You may not know the answer
to this one, but is televangelism flat? Is it on
his way up? Is it on his way down? With
these you know, the big, massive churches where the more
you give, the more Jesus likes you.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh, you mean, as far as televangelism and it being specific,
I think people connect differently now than ever before. So
that's more on the TV side of things. But as
far as certain what I would call heresies like name
it and Claim it or prosperity movements or something like that,
they'll always exist.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
They existed during Biblical times.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, have you seen? You? Obviously are involved with religion
every week as you produce, and I have to keep
a straight face as you produce the Jesus Show.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
It's funny when I talk about handle on the law.
It's hard to keep a straight face.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Exactly, and handle on the law is and the people
who follow handle the law ignore it religiously. I must
tell you but in interaction with the people over the
years with the Jesus Show, where are you finding religion?
Do you follow the concept that organized religion is decreasing
(09:58):
or the other way around.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
People do not want to be accountable, So people stop
believing in things that they have to be accountable to
or that convict them emotionally, spiritually, or otherwise. They prefer
spirituality or saying things like that because there's no accountability.
There's no It's just like, I'm spiritual. Well what does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You have organized religion or disorganized religion. Those are your choices.
And if you're going anything other than organized religion ultimately
means you're self worshiping. You don't want to be accountable
to something else. You just want to have a bigger
you out in the universe.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah. Incidentally, there are no atheists in foxholes. There are
plenty of atheists in fox holes. They just get blown up.
And so I'll have no hope faith. I wouldn't turn
if I were in a fox hole, I don't think
I would turn religious. And if I'm about to die
(11:02):
in the electric chair or in a prison of lethal injection,
I don't think I would become religious, which everybody does,
or a lot of people have become very religious in prison,
maybe because they're just bored and they don't know what else.
And here's one other question before we bail. There is
a guy, Christian Smith, who's a sociologist runs the Center
(11:22):
for Study of Religion and Society at the University of
Notre Dame or Notre Dame. He says that what young
people are looking for enchantment, meaning in everything paganism is
going up, magic books, games about demons, dungeons and dragons.
Have you seen that happening.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
There's more interest in that. But that's been an ebb
and flow too. You remember in the seventies and early
eighties with the Ouija board and things like that. It's
always been a fascination with communication, and go back to
Harry Houdini and his fascination with spirituality and whether there
was life after death and you could communicate with people.
So but again those are all and with all due
(12:04):
respect to Wickens and the like those, you're not accountable
to something you're serving or you're worshiping the creation, and
once you do that, you're not accountable. It separates yourself
from the creator. So it all depends from your perspective,
I suppose.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, that's a little deep for me. Yeah, well you
know Roses, doctor Syliser Blue. You know I have no religion,
and how about you. I mean, that's as far as
it goes for me. Okay, thank you for yes, thank
you for your insight on that one. All right, coming up,
there's going to be another episode in Crazy today. We
(12:42):
only have two, but we're gonna be doing this, I think,
on a regular basis. All Right, stories that we are covering. Uh.
Has the Fed already lowered interest rates to amy They
were supposed to do it at uh at eleven thirty
the East coast time. It has not been announced yet. Okay,
we'll yep, yep, yep. And that's a fairly big deal.
(13:04):
And there's a new poll from Politico. Almost half Americans
find their monthly bills groceries, healthcare, utilities, they're having a
hard time affording it. Fifty five percent Americans are blaming
the President while he is saying that prices are down.
That I guess it is well. Affordability he said was
(13:26):
a democratic hoax. There's no such thing of a problem
with prices being up. Yeah, it's going to cost him.
I think that's going to cost him. Now it's time
for doctor Jim Keinney Medical News Jim chief medical officer
for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, and
we are going to start off with another episode of crazy,
(13:49):
which is where we are going to go. Jim. First
of all, good morning, Good morning, Bill. There you go, okay, crazy,
Let me throw this at you. Did you ever think
that the CDC was going to undo its recommendation for
hepatitis B vaccine for new boards?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, definitely not without some type of you know, scientific
backing or level of concern. I mean, this was like
a problem that didn't exist that they that they decided
they would address. So yeah, it is shocking.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And who was it? I think it was, Oh, it
was Bill Cassidy, the Senator who is a physician, a
big proponent of vaccines that he did in private practice
or he was with some public agencies. And he's the
one that voted. He was the vote that gave JFK
(14:43):
Junior or RFK Junior the confirmation. He said, twenty thousand
kids a year used to die before the hepatitis B
vaccine was given at birth now it is under twenty
one point nine to nine percent effective. And you know,
(15:04):
I don't even know where they go with this, Jim,
So what is going on? Does mainstream science just go
crazy and just shake its head and going, we'll get
past this nuts?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, I mean, maybe this will bring back, you know,
the doctor patient relationship because doctors are going to have
to stop and now you know, we just can't rely
on Hey, this is what a recommendation say. You're gonna
have to have a conversation with patients now, so you know,
hopefully that'll build that back up because it's super important.
And just to clarify, you know, some people might be thinking, hey,
(15:36):
this was before the hepatitis vaccine that twenty thousand used
to die. No, this is after the hepatitis vaccine when
we didn't give it on the birth dose. Is which
is what they're eliminating twenty thousand cases of chronic hepatitis
B that result in cirrhosis to the liver later on
in life and let potential liver transplants and also liver cancer.
(15:58):
So we're not going to see the negative impacts of
this for twenty thirty years. And you know, and it's
really going back to some an experiment we've already done
and it was a failed experiment.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, at some point, well I guess at this point,
medical science is just shaking its head, your head and saying,
for the next what at least three years, we're going
to see more and more of this. Are we going
to see Are we going to see infants actually getting
hepatitis B?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
We will?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And this is why I mean a lot so people
don't understand hepatitis. They don't understand the enemy, right, so
they're saying, oh, if the mother tests negative, then what
are you worried about? There's no possibility of transmission. So
number one not true. The way hepatitis works is once
you're infected, there is a window where and it can
be a month or longer, where you're not showing up
(16:57):
as positive on your lab result, but you're infected. You
haven't created at all the antibodies that we're measuring yet.
It also ignores the fact that a lot of women
don't get the prescribed prenatal care, so about twenty percent
don't get it at all. So we're talking about how
this is going to disproportionately impact you know, people who
are lower socioeconomic groups that don't have that aren't highly educated,
(17:21):
that won't be able to go have a long conversation.
You know, they're going to the community clinics. They won't
be able to have a long conversation with their doctor
to discuss this, and so it's going to be interesting.
There's also I mean, the bottom line is the labs
get dropped. You know, we don't have a tight system
between outpatient and inpatient, so do we really know if
the mother was tested positive or not. There's just so
(17:43):
many possibilities for this to go bad. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know. This reminds me when I was a kid
and there was a huge controversy about the fluoridation of
the drinking water here in Los Angeles that there really
was no putting floor, I know, but yet.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
We had it again as soon as as our game.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I know. I mean, it's it's it's it's beyond belief.
It's science fiction. So in the general literature out there
as a percentage the anti vax doctors, I'm assuming it's
the just the tiniest percentage, and who have an enormous
influence based on RFK junior, Is that right?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh yeah, I mean you mean which doctors don't believe
in vaccine?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah, as a percentage of doctors out there practicing,
what would you guess. I'm sure there are studies.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, extremely low and so probably one of the more
famous ones was written a book doctor Sears about And
I wouldn't call him an anti vaxer. He doesn't call
himself an anti vaxer. He called he's modified to vaccination
schedule to make families feel more comfortable with the number
of vaccines the kids get. But you know, they even
(19:01):
the doctors who people might label as anti vaxxer, as
my point is, they're not truly anti vaxxers. They believe
in vaccines, and then they get they get painted as, look,
this doctor doesn't believe in vaccines. That's not actually true.
So you know, we did have you know, during the
flu seasons, we do have about on a staff that
(19:21):
in my other hospital, on my current hospital and staff
about nine hundred doctors, we'd have about three that would
say I'm not getting the flu vaccine out of principle.
The rest might say I'm allergic to it or you know,
those type of things, but about three, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, as you know, we've talked. I'm a huge fan
of vaccines, even to the point where I vaccinate is
my vaccinate my kids? Was just saline because I just
liked the idea. All right, a fentanyl vaccine, which means
you can have all of these drugs and not worry
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, not quite, but yes, this is a novel approach
to you know, harm reduction basically, right, So what you
love to do is walk in the ram ventation and
just say, hey, stop using drugs. But that approach absolutely
does not work at all. So what we're trying to
do is some harm reduction. One of those that we've
done in the past is now making narcan or in
(20:15):
a lock zone free over the counter from any pharmacy,
and now people are carrying that stuff around when they
do use drugs, and instead of accidentally overdosing, now when
they're with a friend or with a family member, they can.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Reverse the drug.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
This is a different approach. What this is is they're trying. Now,
this is a new study. They don't haven't proven that
this even works yet, but the plan is to create
an antibody that binds to the fentanyl, so fentanyl can't
cross the blood brain barrier and then that won't cause
the respiratory depression. It also won't cause the high so
that could be potential harm reduction, especially because a lot
(20:55):
of these overdoses people were using some other drug and
they didn't know fentanyl was in there, or they just
got a higher than normal concentration and they overdosed accidentally.
So this could prevent a lot of those deaths. So far,
then the lock zones dropped it from like seventy five
thousand to fifty thousand deaths a year. This could bring
it even further.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Down, Yeah, which is big news. One quick question, does
it matter the amount of fentanyl that is in your
system and at what point does a narcon reverse it
or can you go too much?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yea, yeah, no, it definitely matters how much. So the
narcan will reverse a very very high dose. But this antibodies, right,
you can overcome most antibodies in most situations. So that's
the concern is that people could either continue to use
and then try and overdose, you know, go above and
beyond what they normally would have used. And some people
(21:48):
probably will be non responders, so then they will still
be at risk even though they get the vaccine, so
there's still this is a long way from being used,
but it was a really interesting approach. I thought that
was kind of interesting new approach towards reducing risk and
harm from opiate overdoses.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I hate when we do good news on this segment.
You know that, don't you. I know, I'm surprised we've
been doing that way too long. Okay, Jim, thank you.
We'll catch you next Wednesday. And coming up right about now,
it's Gary and Shannon. You've been listening to The Bill
Handle Show. Catch My Show Monday through Friday, six am
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