BHS - 8A – ‘How to Money’ with Joel Larsgaard | OJ Simpson Dies, 76

Host of ‘How to Money’ on KFI Joel Larsgaard joins the program to talk about salaries rocketing higher if you are going into the office, staying at your current job vs changing jobs, student loan forgiveness talks, and the FCC rolling out mandatory ‘nutrition labels’ for internet pricing. OJ Simpson has died. Host of ‘Later with Mo Kelly’ closes the Bill Handel Show talking about Paramount investigating claims Sylvester Stallone allegedly used disparaging language on ‘Tulsa King’ set.

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to bill Handle on demandfrom KFI AM six forty. You are
listening to the bill Handle show KFIAM six forty Bill Handle here on a
Thursday morning, April eleventh. Someof the big stories we're looking at,

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Well, it just broke a fewminutes ago that oj Simpson has died at
the age of seventy six after battlingprostate cancer. And I was just speaking
to Anne during the break and shesaid, Wow, don't they test for
prostate cancer. Well, it's asimple blood test, is what it is,
your PSA levels? And well howabout the digital exam when the doctor

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basically feels your prostate and that reallydoesn't tell you much. As a matter
of fact, my doctor, I'ma Kaiser, stopped giving it to me,
and I was very disappointed. Hegoes, I don't do those anymore
because we're looking at the research andthe mortality rate is about the same we
do those PSA blood tests. Isaid, you don't do those anymore?

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What do I do with the restof my coupons? I bought a coupon
book. Okay, done with that, Joel? I say, look how
far I stretch for that? Joel? It's beautiful. Thank you very much,
Joel. Right, Joel, whohas heard every Sunday twelve to two

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right here on KFI with how tomoney. So let's start talking about and
this is something that I really didn'tpay attention to very much until you brought
it up, and that is thedifference is to be between working from home
and working in the office. Obviouslywe talked about the differences in terms of
productivity, in terms of just yournot in so much self esteem, but

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certainly in terms of just your happiness, your satisfaction with work. And now
you're talking about salaries are much higherif you go into the office. Is
that new in terms of that information? You know, there's been kind of
we've been trying to level out andfigure out managers and employees what's the best
balance to strike right in terms ofworking from home and going into the office,

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and hybrid seems to kind of beat least where a lot of employers
and employees are landing. It's like, I guess this is going to be
the happy medium, right, I'mgoing to go in two days a week,
maybe three days a week. Butnow we're starting to see more and
more managers, more and more businessesprioritize and say, listen, if you
come into the office more, you'regoing to get paid more. You are
going to get you know, increased, bigger paycheck, and you're also going

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to have more opportunity for advancement.And ZIP recruiter they just released some data
and they said that if you gofrom being a fully remote work from home
one hundred percent of the time personto being in the office one hundred percent
of the time, if you makethat thorough of a switch, going to
receive on average something like a twentynine percent pay bump, which is incredible.

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I mean, that's astronomical, iswhat significant. And so I think
some people are they're getting used toworking from home, and understandably so like
the commuting sucks, it's the worst. And so people are like, listen,
I think I want to just stayin this environment, you know,
working from my bed or my homeoffice or whatever it is. But just
realize that there is a potential significanttrade off if that's kind of where you

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land. Yeah, we talked alot about quality of life or one of
them being not commuting, especially herein southern California. I mean, some
of our salespeople drive an hour anda half each way, three hours a
day on the freeway. That getspretty depressing. Sure, And also if
you have kids, young kids,I mean, the cost of childcare is

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just insane. We're twenty nine percentpay bump. That is not even going
to come close to the cost ofchildcare. I'm assuming though, for employers,
for bosses, they want people inthe office, they want that kind
of connection and are willing to payfairly big for that. That's exactly right.
I mean, I think it's theI think it's the camaraderie. I
think it is kind of the burgeoningof ideas that happens. Typically you've been

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on zoom meetings. I've been onzoom Yeah, tons of them. They're
not nearly as good or effective aseven just the serendipitous conversations that can happen
as you're walking through your office oryou're you know, by the water cool
or hanging out with someone like thoseare really meaningful, like conversations that happen
in the workplace. And so Ithink that is why a lot of offices

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are realizing, hey, yeah,you might be productive, yeah you might
be creating, doing a lot ofgood for the business. But the truth
is we have a better environment andwe were more collaborative, and we actually
have better outcomes when employees are inthe office more. And I think you're
right, Like these are that twentynine percent pay pump. Some people might
like scoff and say, sorry,yeah, I'm so used to not commuting

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and the time it saves me andthe ability to have a better work life
balance. I don't fault anybody forturning down pay for a healthier lifestyle.
I think that's a very very reasonablething to do. It's just important to
see the numbers and kind of weighthe pros and cons and the trade offs
between, you know, going backinto the office. Is it going to
be worth it? Is it goingto help you accelerate your career and your
pay or is it better to belike, no, I'm good now I

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get to go to my kids baseballgame in the afternoon, whereas otherwise I
would have been stuck in traffic.Yeah. I don't know anybody who works
from home that is happy coming backto work saying, you know, I'd
rather be back in the office.Between what you just described and zoom meetings,
which are not as good, butthey're sure as hell convenient, that's

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for sure. To set up aZoom meeting and you don't have to wear
pants. Yeah, and you knowthat's always an agun't stand up. Yeah,
you can't stand up and you can'tbe Jeffrey tube in either. You
have to keep that one to yourself. That's true. But I have my
best friend to have an import cookwarbusiness, and he used to fly to
meet customers, some of the biggercustomers, and that would be basically two

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and a half three days. You'dfly out and you'd have the meeting,
and then that night you'd have tostay at a hotel, and then the
next day you come out. Imean that's days to deal with a meeting.
He does four meetings a day nowon Zoom. So in many cases
it is really so much more efficient, right, But you know again look

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at the downside. So Joel,do you well, I know you have
to come into studio, but therest of the gi'm maybe this is all
you do? Do you live ina dumpster? You know? I never
asked that, what do you dowhen you're not on the air? Here,
I live and work from the dumpster. In fact, it saves a
lot of money, right, I'dlike, I literally live less than a

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mile from where I work. Iran a little off a little basically adu
essentially in someone's backyard. It's theperfect sort of commute because for me,
like working from home, I wouldn'tbe as productive. I don't love and
I think a lot of people havefound that in the work from home environment.
They're like, I think, I'mjust going to do some laundry,
I'm going to like clean up thekitchen, and then maybe they it's kind

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of a weird to be that tiedto your house and to the to do
list even while you're working. SoI love getting out. I love having
like a small little commute, butI walk our bike to work, which
to me is the best of bothworlds. Yeah, also self control and
the focus you have to have whenyou work from home. It's it's very
easy not to work when you're workingfrom home, or go to the ball

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game or take a nap or anyway. A story that I have done over
the years and years, and thatis now I've experienced. It is changing
careers and in many cases just changingjobs, job hopping, especially in the
world of high tech. You takea job and then a year later you

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go right across the street for twentypercent or fifty percent more money. So
let's talk about that. Yeah,So, I mean this is this is
clearly something that a lot of peopleare interested in doing. Whether it's just
not liking your manager, not likingwhat you do on a day to day
basis, just being disenchanted with thework that you're doing on a day to
day basis, people are like,hey, now, you know, it's

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time for me to find something different. And sometimes there's a good reason for
that, and sometimes it's just beingbored or you know, just thinking that
maybe there's something better out there,even if you're in a pretty good spot
right now. But there was thislike new survey from Monster dot com and
they found that I was I guessI shouldn't have been shocked to see this,
but this is an incredible number.Ninety five percent of workers want a

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new job this year. They're goingto be like perusing the job boards,
saying, you got to take thiswith a grain of salt, because Monster
dot com what do they want peopleto do? Peruse job boards on their
website. But I think it doesshow that there's like a certain amount of
dissatisfaction that people have with work thesedays, and they're saying or at least
thinking or starting to look around andsay, well, something better out there

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for me. Yeah. I weused to have a gardener for years and
years was with us, and hekept on looking at our neighbor's yard and
said, I'd rather do that becauseof course it was greener. Yeah,
I had to go there, youknow, I apologize for that. Profuse
always greener, it's always getting thereon the other side, Actually it was
across the street. But changing careersis something, and I don't know if

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that's a thing, because it certainlywas a thing changing career several times,
and I have done that, andin my case, it was something that
really worked out for me. Sobeyond just changing jobs general job description,
let's talk about just packing it upand doing something entirely different. Going to
teaching, for example, or goinginto another field where you have to be

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trained. How is what's going onwith that? Well, what's interesting that
you said going to teaching, becauseactually a lot of the opposite is happening.
There are a lot of teachers sayingthis just really tough, and it's
gotten harder since COVID, and theyare they're thinking about getting out of teaching
altogether. And teachers are finding thatthey have skills that are applicable in other
parts of the workforce. And thisis true for people who do a lot

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of things. I think leaning intowhat is the part of your job do
you like the best? Maybe youdislike it's like seventy five to eighty percent
of your job, but there's thistwenty to twenty five percent that you really
enjoy. Well, what is itabout that? And maybe it sparks something
in you ideas of jobs that mightmake sense for you, because hey,

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I think I can do this morelike eighty eighty five percent of the time
the the parts that I like,and I can actually expand and enjoy my
job more So. I think it'sreally good to look at your skills,
your history, your connections and thinkabout, okay, cool, what might
the next landing place look like?Brainstorm that talk with your partner or with
your friend. Hey, what doyou think I'm good at? What do

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you think would make sense for mein the future. I think lots of
times we get stuck, especially thelonger you've been doing one thing. It's
really hard to even think about whatyou might I'd be good at you know,
in another realm of the work force. Yeah. The reason I bring
up teaching is because I had manyfriends or at least acquaintances, who practiced
law, and so I was oneof this group of people that sort of
professionally hung out together. And theby now or a few years ago,

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the people that I started with areall senior partners these law firms making buckets
of money, and almost all ofthem, the ones that are burnt out,
said I want to go into teaching. I'd rather do that. And
I don't know why teaching was athing, but the burnout rate among lawyers,
among dentists is just enormous because youknow, it's a grind. It

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is a grind, and you worklong hours. Of course, you're shackled
in many cases the golden handcuffs,because if you're making three four hundred thousand
dollars a year, it's a littlerough to take a ninety percent pay cut
to do anything else. But howdo you handle that when let's say you
are in your fourties and you wantto go into another career and you're competing

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as people in their twenties. Howdoes that work? Well? I wanted
to say this when you're talking aboutgoing to a job that pays less.
I think this is something that peoplealmost never think about, but this can
be a great step for a lotof people to say, listen, this
is going to provide more work lifebalance. I'm going to be closer to
my job, so the commute's notgoing to be like as killer. I'm

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going to be working fewer hours.I'm going to have more time for hobbies
and stuff like that. And thisis a transition that a lot of people
could make if they would rain intheir spending just a little bit, right.
And so, yeah, you're usedto making three hundred K, and
guess what, maybe you're going tomake one hundred and fifty k salary cut
in half. That sounds radical,that sounds crazy, But this happens to
families all the time when one orthe other the spouse leaves the workforce.

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Especially let's say you have two orthree kids now, and it just doesn't
make sense, at least for thetime being, until they get into grade
school. People have to make thesesorts of decisions all the time, and
they have to change their budget inorder to reflect they're less their their smaller
income. Now, I think thisis something that people can make proactively.
We've just often gotten so addicted toa high salary. There's ways to kind

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of come down off that high sothat you can find a more balanced lifestyle.
All right, Joel, we'll catchyou on Sunday twelve to two pm.
And the website or the way youreached Joel is how Too money Joel
dot Com. Joel, thank you. We'll catch you again next week.
Thanks Bill. And we just heardthe news O. J. Simpson has

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died. I died yesterday of prostaycancer. Steve Gregory is here with us
because Steve actually covered the OJ trialto an extraordinary degree. Steve, did
you know that OJ had prostay cancer? Yeah, it was first announced back
in December, and we actually dida story in Campin News about it because

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he had also posted on x therewas a rumor that he was going into
hospice and he made a joke He'slike hospice, hospice, I mean,
I ain't going to no hospice,And so he was making a joke about
it. He made a video soand he looked fine. He didn't look
like he had been sick or wastaking chemotherapy treatment. But it looks as
though that it was worse than eitherhe thought or he let us on to

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believe. Yeah, I mean it'sseventy six. I mean, by the
time you're starting to approach your age, my age, seventy six is pretty
scary, isn't it that? Oh, that's awfully young to die. And
his family, I know that theyissued a press release or they posted and

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it was surrounded by his kids andgrandkids to come to his battle. And
of course, normally and a familydoes this please respect our wishes for privacy
and grace. Nowhere from the familyas to his battle with cancer prior to
that, or no even about geta PSA testing people using the beloved one

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to say his platform. Yeah,yeah, I mean get your mammograms,
get your medical exams, or we'renot hearing any of that, are we?
No? And so what this tellsme the fact that he was surrounded
by family, as they claim,I'm thinking that everyone knew in the family
that was probably worse than he ledon to believe. And as you remember
and recall, I did not coverthe murder trial. I was not in

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Los Angeles at that time. Butduring that trial and then the trial that
I covered with him, in Vegasfor a couple of months. He always
exhibited that that sort of braggadocious thatconfidence that he you know, he wasn't
weak at all, and that's whathe did in this posting on x when
he was like, you know,hospice, hospice, I'm too strong for

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that. But it sounds like,based on the fact that the family surrounded
him, that it was worse thanhe led on to believe, And at
least it sounds like it must havebeen in some sort of advanced stages.
Yeah, I was, and Idon't know if I ever shared this with
you, and I was sort ofjoking about it before you came on that

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I was one of the commentators onthe OJ trial while it was going on.
Oh also, I have a greatstory about Mark Ferman, and it
was you know, he was,of course sort of the focal point of
the entire OJ trial. I meanthat whole history of what happened was nationally,
nationally famous. Matter of fact,maybe me covered internationally. You were

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what in Phoenix at the time.At the time, I was in Colorado
in the radio. I was doingradio in Colorado at the time, but
I mean I was glued to theTV like everybody else, was the trial
of the century. Yeah, andyou know, so it was really weird
for me this many years later thatI'm sitting in the courtroom actually witnessing him
being handcuffed, And it was sortof a weird, weird, surreal experience

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for me because having watched him beacquitted for murder only to be taken down
by a kidnapping robbery charge in LasVegas, I thought there was odd.
Yeah, the whole story when youlook at his entire career, coming out
of a junior college playing football andthen going to sc and then going into
the NFL with the Buffalo Bills andbecoming one of the premier running backs in

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the history of football. Heisman winner, has been Trophy winner, and then
as a pitchman, I didn't knowthat. I'm looking at the number of
movies that he did and TV shows. I mean, there are dozens and
dozens of shows that he did,all of them being pretty bad because he

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was a horrible actor. And thenhis endorsement we look at him as being
a Hurts pitch band that was oneof many. Did you know that when
he did Hurts their revenue went upfifty percent in the years that followed.
I mean he was in he wastom Yeah, he was. He was
very high profile. And I rememberthe commercial vividly. I remember him running

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through the airport, jumping over suitcases. Remember he was like like he was
playing football, like he was running. Yeah, and he was in the
terminal I remember, yeah. Andit was and that's where the phrase go
O J go because as he wasrunning in the airport and jumping over suitcases
and people, you'd have the bystanderssaying go O J go. And then

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that was that slow speed chase.By the way, were you covering that
the radio station or working with Didthey cover the slow speed chase from top
to bottom? They certainly did here, No, we it. See.
The thing is that was when youthink about it, it didn't really become
an international story until you know,more details came out. But it was
like a slow kind of a slowroll in Colorado when when we were covering

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it because we were letting you know, station DOC here covered for us.
We didn't we didn't have the resourcesthere, you know, like we do
here now. But we were,you know, we were letting it,
leaving it up to the nationals toyou know, I believe it's the time
CBS who's had it covered. Ithink Steve Hutterman was all over it for
us, and yeah, so itwas you know, it was a big

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deal by the time it got tothe chase status and the end of the
chase status, and then more detailsstarted unfold about what was happening. It
would by the time it rolled outto us, it became a big,
big story. But remember it wasmore of a local firqust try. We
covered it. We were door todoor on this bumper to bumper, wall
to wall. That slow speed chasewas covered from the time it started.

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And as the Bronco, the WhiteBronco, was going down the freeway,
there were people on the overpasses cheering, oj just fascinating stuff. All right,
Steve, thank you got it.Always appreciated, all right. Mo
Kelly host a Later with Mo KellyTonight seven to ten pm, Monday through
Friases always Monday through Friday. MoI know you care you cover all among

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other things. One of your wheelhousesis the entertainment were World. Sylvester Salone
is being hit up pretty badly forwhat he did on the set of Tulsa
King. First of all, what'sthe movie about what's his part? What
did he say? Tulsa King isactually a television show on Paramount Plus,

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and I love the show. Iactually turned on Amy King to the show.
It's one of those great shows toexhibit the acting prowess of Sylvester Stallone,
So I was pretty knowledgeable about theshow. It's set in the city
of Tulsa. He's like a mobboss who has been excommunicated from the mob
and he's been sent out to Tulsato restart his life after getting out of

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prison. That's the premise. Butsince it's in actually in the city of
Tulsa, they're hiring a lot oflocal background workers. It's not Hollywood in
any respect. The issue is somepeople who allegedly worked on the set are
complaining on social media about the supposedbehavior of Sylvester Stallone to him or them.

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Allegedly, he called someone in atub of lard, referred to it
extra as a fat guy with cainugly. He was saying that he wanted
just to have pretty girls around him. That kind of stuff. Now my
personal experience, I worked as anextra background talent on a movie Lethal Weapon
three, many many many moons ago. Back then. I can't speak for
now, but back then we werenot even allowed to talk to the principal

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talent unless they engaged us in conversation. I'm talking about Mel Gibson and Danny
Glover. Mel Gibson didn't talk tous. Danny Glover talked to us all
day, all night. So itvaries by state production slate. But I
will say this, it seems rathertame. But the world has changed because
extra's background talent. They have accessto social media, so these stories are

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going to get out. Yeah,yeah, the world has changed, that's
true. And I've been on moviesets and they just keep them totally separated.
Now yeah, I mean they're noteven in the same surprise, they're
on the same set because they allcongregate together in one corner and then you
have the principles over in the othercorner and the director calls for a background

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and people are walking back and forth. Tulsa King, where'd you say it
was? Which platform? Paramount pluspair and I have Paramount plus and you
got me all excited about it?Now Paramount Plus No, it's a really
really I'm going to enjoy it.How many seasons? How many seasons?
Is it? I think it's justone. Oh, okay, has it
been as Yes, their returning.Yeah, they're filming season two right now.

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It might even be done. Okay, that's great. All right,
we'll catch you tonight season Okay laterwith mo Kelly tonight seven to ten pm.
All right, Tomorrow, I'm goingto talk about my experience both as
a commentator on the in the OJtrial, because that was fun just before
they threw me off, and aMark Furman story. How I met Mark

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Furman. This is before the worldof OJ and you're not going to hear
this from any people, how ethicalFurman actually is. I have a story
that is almost counterintuitive, and you'llsee and then the whole issue of the
N word, et cetera, andwhat he got nailed by the way,
not that he didn't say what hesaid, but what happened with his relationship

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with the prosecution. And it's agreat story. I'll share that with you
and and if Michelle still has someaudio, which I'm going to check in
a few minutes, if we canget that up, that's going to be
one hell of a segment. SoI'm going to do that tomorrow. I'm
going to start putting it together withan as soon as I get off the
air. All right, guys,we're done for today. Coming up tomorrow,

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Well, you start again five amwith wake up call with Amy and
then the rest of us here.I know Cono comes in at two o'clock
in the morning, but you knowyou don't count Kono, So the rest
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