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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listenings KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles show
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Bill Handle Here. What a Tuesday morning, August sixth, Good lord,
A lot went on. First of all, we now know
who the vice presidential candidate is, Kamala Harris chose Governor
Tim Walls of Minnesota. And this morning I did a
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whole segmentum when we open up the show at actually
after the news at seven o'clock, and you can go
back and listen to that on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That gets easy. And also.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Still the fires going on, World War three is about
to stop to start the financial.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Meltdown, which has now gotten a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And another massive, massive case came down yesterday. Federal judge
ruled that Google is a monopoly Tech Tuesday with Richard
Murrows with us Rich on Tech Saturday eleven to two and.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Cono. I know, I just blew that with rich Don't
we do the promo here?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You killed promos? Oh? I killed the promos, that's right,
rich Good.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Morning, Hey, good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Bill. I killed the promos, that's right. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I forget because I didn't even want to get in
the way of you know, the promo getting in the
way of our conversation, which I just take over now anyway,
all right, so back we go because I'm so professional
and I did this segue into our segment.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So, well, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
About how big a deal that Google decision was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, there's two sides to it. It is a big
deal because it's kind of the first major anti trust
case that's come out against one of these major tech
companies since pretty much Microsoft. Remember the lawsuit against them
with Internet Explorer. When they put that on every desktop,
people went nuts and said, hey, this is you know,
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against Netscape and they ended up losing that. That was
a big, big change for Micro. This this could be
similar because you know, Google controls about ninety percent of
the online search market, ninety five percent on smartphones. The
judge rule that basically Google did violate antitrust law by
creating a monopoly in the search market. And the way
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they did that is by paying these companies like Samsung
and Apple a lot of money, like we're talking twenty
something billion dollars to be the default search engine when
you fire up your smartphone. So the question is, Bill,
let's say you got a new iPhone and you turn
it on and it said, hey, which search engine would
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you like to choose as your default? And it had
you know, Google and then some other ones. Would you
choose a different search engine? That's the big question.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Hey, here, and.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Here's another question I want to throw out at you,
and that is and this is a We're now going
to the legal part, and then I want to talk
to you about possible remedies. And that is Google has
argued I love this that the the only thing this
decision was is that the judge agreed they are the
best people out there to do this searching. And what
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the judge wants people to do is not use the
best system out there, the best search engine out there.
I mean, Google is crazy because you're looking at with
ninety percent or ninety five percent when you're talking about
devices of the search market. If that isn't the monopoly,
I don't know what is. And it didn't happen by accident.
It's not because the best it's because they manipulated it
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to have that much of a market share.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, I not be a monopoly.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, and I think, Look, I don't think anyone can
deny that. Look, Google is a very good search engine.
But I think the question is if there was room
for another search engine, if you had that choice when
you first turned on your phone, let's say Bing could
have you know, twenty thirty percent of the market, you know,
and they had people using it. You know, it's pretty good,
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you know, would that be a much healthier competition among
these search engines and would that be better? And by
the way, this is all really about not the best
search engine, It's really about the advertising. So are companies
that are advertising on Google over paying for that privilege
because they are monopoly? So Google has the monopoly on
those search ads at the top of their feed when
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you search for something, the first three or four things
that show up at the top, those blue little links
above the organic links, those are sponsored links, and Google
kind of runs the business and that makes them a
ton of money. And so the question is are these
companies overpaying because there's no other option out there. If
you want to be in front of people's eyeballs, you
have to go to Google and pay their inflated prices
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because they own the market. And the other side of
this bill, I think is the headwinds on Google right now,
which is AI. Google is not a leader in AI
right now. I mean, yes, they have the technology, but
when people go to AI, they're not going to Gemini,
They're going to Open Ai. They're going to Claude in
a much smaller place, but open AI. Chat GPT is
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where all the growth is right now. When it comes
to search, people are very excited for their search engine,
which is in beta right now, and that could really be.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
A problem for Google.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, it could even be a problem for chat GPT
because if they get enough market share, then you've got
the FEDS filing lawsuits against them too.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That that could happen. But I think with and yes,
and I think that they have the early lead and
they've become the Kleenex of AI. But there are enough
AI companies at this point that are all really good,
at least claud There's there's Mistral out out of Europe,
so I mean there are several of these, but I
think that's a whole other can of worms with how
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they're training their AI, which is a whole other issue.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Got it all right? Chat gp has a tool to
catch a T cheaters.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Finally we have a way of catching AI cheaters, except
they're not letting us know how.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
To do that are they apparently not so open. AI
has had this tool for about a year, but it's
being held back due to internal debates. This is all,
according to the Wall Street Journal, concerns or that this
might impact people that don't speak English and also users
using their actual tools, because they say, look, if you
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can detect AI, that could be a problem. But this
is a big debate because we're heading into the back
of the school season and a lot of kids, a
lot of teachers battling with this idea of is this
AI generated and how much of this is AI generated
when it comes to essays and things like that. Incidentally,
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I popped I looked at a couple tools online, so
they're like, there's this website called there's an AI for that,
And I just put in AI detection. So there's forty
four AI tools for content detection. So you know, teachers
use these to see if it's plagiarized or this and that.
And I popped in something that that one of the
AI generators made. It was a story about a fox
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jumping over a fence and it says it is fully
AI generated. Chance is fifty four percent. And then I
popped in one of the scripts I wrote for TV
and it said four percent chance that a human did
not write this. So you know, these detectors are out there,
and there's many of them. Believe me, this has become
a big business for you know, schools and things. But
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it'd be interesting if open AI released their own because
they're the ones generating the text, so they know how
to detect it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's I'm fascinated by this because inherently AI is changing
everything in the world of you know, intellectual property. You write,
you're writing a screenplay, writing a book, magazine article, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
How much of it is AI is not.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But in terms of detecting AI, you've got forty four
different programs out there.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Would you get forty four.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Different answers for the same subject that you throw out them?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I think so, And that's what uh so, let me
pop this into a different one. So there's like you know,
I mean, that's the thing. There's no easy way to
figure this out, you know, like open AI. It's kind
of like open AI might have the keys to their
own kind of you know, unlocking their own tokens and things.
Because look, I mean, the way that AI works is
that it is just basically predicting the next word in
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a sentence based on all the training that it has
by reading various sentences, right, and so AI open AI
can watermark that by slightly changing the sentences that it distributes,
and then it knows okay, our AI wrote this when
it looks at it again. But yes, will you get
different answers from these things? Of course you will, because
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there's no unless there's something that's embedded into the AI
that's generated. And we're seeing this a lot with the
with the image generation tools, because those are much easier
because it's just a watermark on the back end in
the file that says, hey, this was made by Adobe
Firefly or this was made by Google synth Id. That's
something that you put in the file itself, and so
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that's much easier to detect than something that's in text,
which is inherently all over the place and someone can
change a few words too.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, that's the question I also have. So per your story,
the fox jumps over the fence, right, So you're going
to get a story back right now? What if you
put in the fox jumps over a high fence?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Are you going to get a different story?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly. And by the way, Bill, this one tool
just came back that the thing that the AI wrote
is ninety eight percent human. So if teachers are relying
on these detectors that they find online, I mean, they're
just not accurate. There's just not a system unless something
is watermarked and like you know, open AI could do that.
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These AI detectors are not really very reliable. I mean
I just put this into two different ones. This one
says it's nine human and it literally was generated by
chat GBT two minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So how do they do How is school going to
even be run when there'll never be a paper that
is not now written by AI? I mean, just you're
done with I guess that kind of testing method.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, exactly. You know what, Bill, that's exactly right. And
here's the thing this it reminds me of everything comes
back to will of fortune. Remember when every single person
at the end would choose the letters rst, LNA, right,
and then will of fortune eventually gave everyone those letters.
So it's called table stakes. So every student in the
world is going to have access to some sort of
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AI generator, and anyone can generate a quick story about
a fox jumping over a fence. But the difference is
going to be, just like anything else in the world,
how do people do things critically? How do they think?
How do they come up with this stuff? And so
that is the base. Everyone can come up with a
story about a fox, it's how do you build upon that,
how do you change it? How do you critically think
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about what's going on in that story? And so teachers
they're going to have to adapt. Teaching is going to
have to adapt because we no longer remember phone numbers either, Bill,
It's all changing.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I'm just thinking a look at it. All the
time we spent writing papers, rich what, Yeah, we were
born in the wrong time.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I can think of the thousands of hours that I
spent writing papers, and the only thing that gives it
any joy was the fact that I was higher than
a kite most of the time.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Right, Well, I would write mine slowly, but surely I
know there were some people that waited until the night before.
I was one of those people that figured, you know, what,
if you write a page a day for twenty days,
you got your twenty day paper. So I know I
was a nerd.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But yeah, you were, because I.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I wonder if you could I wonder if you could
put this through a filter, Rich, that says Bill Handle's
bar test was one hundred written on cocaine.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They have those Let me let me see if they
have those detectors as well. That would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, that's by the way, that's absolutely true. I was
ripped every second of the bar by the way, totally ripped.
Well look at you now, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Well, it goes to show you how much of a crapshoot.
All that is? All right, Rich, thanks much.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We'll catch you this Saturday right here on KFI eleven
am to two pm. You have a good one, you two,
all right, we'll catch you next week too. I love
the segment with Rich. I don't know ninety percent of
what he says, but it's always Park.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Is great and I highly recommend getting his news signing
up for his news letter.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah yeah, and he's on right after me eight to
eleven o'clock so here on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So here's what you have.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You've got me with my vast, vast knowledge of the law,
and then you have Rich who actually does have a
vast knowledge of tech.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So it's a it's a double hit. What's kind of.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Come up during this presidential is going to be a huge,
huge tax issue, the super Bowl of tax it's being
called now when you talk both Donald Trump, particularly Kamala
Harris and the Democrats are saying that we are going
to decide which way this country is going to go.
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And usually we think of it in terms of social issues, abortion,
reproductive rights.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We think of environmental issues.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
One of the very big ones which we don't spend
a lot of time talking about, is the way we
are going to look at taxes in this country and
who's going to get the benefit. There is no question
that Donald Trump during his four years of presidency was
as about as pro business as you can get.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
This is the part that absolutely floors me.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I don't understand about Trump followers, and I don't and
that is at a rally that I saw a couple
of weeks ago, there were ten thousand people there and
he looked at his audience and said, illegal aliens have
taken your jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And they're all nodding.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And I'm thinking, if we were to ask how many
illegal aliens have taken your jobs?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
How many of you have lost the job through an
illegal alien?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
In this crowd, would all of them raise their hands
and go yes, yes, the illegal aliens have taken my
job because you told me that. And I am going
to extend this for a moment and say, here is
former President Trump saying I am for you guys, I
am for the little man.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I am your hero. In the meantime, he is the
hero of big business.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
By the way, I don't have a problem with that,
because he is effectively a pro business Republican in name
only candidate. He's not lying about it. He is not
saying I hate business. And at the same time, he
then gives business every break. He says, I'm your guy,
and I'm on your side, while business is getting all
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the breaks, and I am talking about big, big breaks.
The corporate tax used to be thirty five percent. He
brought it down to twenty one percent in twenty seventeen.
He said he's going to bring it down to fifteen percent,
which if you own a business, if you're a major corporation,
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that ain't a bad deal. And at the same time,
he's wiped out many environmental protections.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But that's the way it goes. Environmental the protectors hurts business.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
If companies are forced to lose money or make less
money by providing protections.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You want to go the other way if you own
a business.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So here's what happened in twenty seventeen with all of
these tax cuts. The tax cuts went mainly to business.
There were some tax cuts that were passed during the
Biden administration.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
But here is the difference.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The tax cuts for individuals expire next year. Their son
set it out. So the tax cut, the child tax credit,
and those that have given quote the working stiff, the families,
middle class families breaks.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Those expire.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The ones for business continue on because it was a
Republican Congress that put those together. And so now you've
got the expiration of the middle class tax cuts that
had put into place. And this is what I'm talking about.
Which way is this government? Which way is this country
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going to go? If Donald Trump gets elected? And by
the way, I I'm gonna do great. I mean I
have you know, I've been involved in business business my
whole life. I've got a portfolio. Uh you know, I've
saved up and I'm gonna do just fine under a
Trump administration. Now, if you happen to not have invested,
if you happen to not own a business, if you
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happen to basically be on a salary and you're living
check to check. I'm not talking about you know you're starving,
but you're you know, you're making a decent living. And
but you you know, you don't have hundreds of thousands
of dollars put away in an investment pool.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Uh, you know what it's Uh, it's gonna be tough
unless Kamala Harris gets.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Elected, because then anybody making over four hundred thousand dollars
a year, they're gonna get tax big times. Corporations are
gonna go up in taxes. Basically, it's anti business or
let's say, not very favorable to business and really helping out, uh,
the poor, the middle.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Class in a big way.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Because that's exactly what a Harris administration is going to
do versus a Trump administration that is going to just
pile on the benefits for business. That's the fight that's
coming up. Which way is it going to go? Does
Trump come in with a Senate and a House? Let
me tell you, every major corporation is going to be thrilled,
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I mean thrilled beyond anything you can imagine. If Harris
comes in with a Congress, a Senate, and a house.
Now you're going to see people who families who are
not that rich getting tax credits that are going to
be unbelievable, earn tax credits, child tax credits, Food stamp
is going to go, food stamp benefits going to go
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way up. You're going to see all kinds of governmental benefits.
And we're going to talk and we are literally talking
about which way this country is going to go, Which
way the country is going to go. And the only
thing that flores me and this is and again I
just don't understand it. With former President Trump, he looks
at his audience at the rallies and said, I'm on
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your side.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I'm for the little guy. I'm your hero. Look at me.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm gonna save you from a job you don't have
because you get you lost your job to illegal aliens.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What really, By the way, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How many people at those rallies who agree that they've
lost their jobs to aliens and then Monday morning go
to their jobs.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Do they think they don't have a job.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do they think they just show up at a job
that they don't have because the illegal alien is doing this?
I don't get it. That part I don't get that's
the genius of Donald Trump. By the way, I just
want to point that out, and I don't mean that pejoratively.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That is the genius of this man.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, Uh, what I may say this plastic band
story for tomorrow, because it's going to take make a
few minutes and there's so much going on. First of all,
I'm taking phone calls at the end of the show,
well as I end the show. Starting at the top
of the hour, I'm taking phone calls for Handle on
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the Law, and I'll be doing that off the air.
And the number is eight seven seven five to zero
eleven fifty eight seven seven five to zero eleven fifty
And as I always tell you, and I'm doing this
Tuesdays and Thursdays, and as I tell you, I go
right through these calls off the air. I have no patience,
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so I go through them quickly. And they're no commercials.
There's no issue as far as you waiting any length
of time. And if you wait on Saturdays, and sometimes
it goes a while before you get on the air
on Saturdays or you get to the phone on Saturdays.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So you can do it now.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Eight seven seven five to zero eleven fifty and I
start just a few minutes after the show. In the meantime,
some of the stuff we're looking at, I mean, what
a day it has been. And I'll be talking more
about that tomorrow. Borrow. Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota is
the vice presidential pick for the Kamala Harris ticket. So
it'll be Harris Walls, and today is tonight is their
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first rally, and you will see the signs already up
there Harris Walls, and so I spent some time talking
this morning about him, and I'll keep on going with that. Also,
that incredible meltdown of the stock market, it was down
a couple of days ago, one thousand points.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It was horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well that's reversed itself, and the stock market, I think
is up three hundred points.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
We're awaiting World War three to start. I mean, this
is the stuff we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Just waiting for the attack of Iran onto Israel. The
Ayatola Homani and Iran has said there will be a
direct attack on Israel, and everybody is just bracing for
in the Western world, the United States and Egypt and Jordan.
Guitar everybody is scrambling to stop what appears to be
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a regional war from starting.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
His Bolaf from the north of Israel, Lebanon to Yemen,
and the Hooties to Iraq and the terrorist organizations, the
various terrorist groups connected to Iran. It's going to be
a god awful mess. Also, there's no blood. The Red
Cross is short of blood.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
In a major way.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
It's down down, I think fell by more than twenty
five percent since July. So the call is out there
please donate blood because they are just about to use
dog blood instead of human blood to help people out.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And that's going to become very problematic. Man, so much
going on.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And then, of course Google yesterday was deemed a monopoly
by a federal district court judge and that is just
a huge hit for high tech.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We'll see that happening. Wow, talk about a day. Huh?
All right?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Phone number eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty
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