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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listenings KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles show
on demand on the iHeartRadio f It is a Wednesday morning,
July ninth hot. We're going through a hot spell. The
story of the flood along the Guadalupe River in Texas
and that's near Austin, the Hill Country has not stopped
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with the numbers and I had there, what are the
latest numbers? I know last it was one hundred and
eleven dead, and how many more people one hundred and
sixty one people still missing? Are those numbers changed?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
One hundred and eleven is correct, and now they're saying
one hundred and seventy are still missing. And there's also
a family from California we're finding out today. I'm working
on this story right now. Family from California is among
the missing and they are related to former San Francisco
Giants pitcher Tyler Walker. That is his brother and his
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family that's missing. So I'm putting that story together for
later on today.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Let's go back to the early hours of July fourth,
the Guadalupe River floods, and we obviously know that by
six' ten am there was a gauge and hunt community
in Care county where it's really. Hit measured that the
river had become a thirty seven foot wall of. Water
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here's one that is stunning WHEN i read. This this
is out of The. Atlantic the flow rate of the
river at that time exceeded the average flow Over Niagara.
FALLS i, mean you talk about a stunner and the
river washed away houses and, highways yanked up trees by
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the route route and the number of kids that were
lost in people that were lost and to, blame, well
most of it as to do with obviously the, weather
but the fact when it, hit because the first warning
went out at one am and everybody's, asleep and this
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is summer camp where no one is allowed a, phone
and even if someone was, up if a counselor went,
up and we don't know who was up and who.
Wasn't at this, point the investigation is going, on did
they have a. Chance there are a lot of cabins
there and the fact that flash flood's warning in those
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areas happened. Constantly why because this is known as a
flash flood. Alley so the flood's hit and people die
in this horrific, story and the finger pointing, Begins, okay
search and rescue. Operations we're getting, underway just, starting and
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already The internet went, crazy and there's the finger, store
the finger pointing what. Happened false claims immediately started to
circulating on social media That texas received no warning about
this impending flash. Flood some state officials said That National
Weather service and that's responsible for issuing the weather related,
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warnings hadn't accurately forecast the severity of the, rain and
questioning whether The trump administration staffing cuts due to The
National Weather service and its parent, agency The National oceanic
And Atmospheric ADMINISTRATION, noah whether that had affected emergency. Response
let's Blame Donald trump for the. Cuts, well, wrong. Wrong
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congressional democrats are now demanding an inquiry into whether the
staffing shortages affected the death. Toll it turns out it.
Won't it, Didn't And i'll explain that one and what.
Happened in the emergency management disaster, community there is a common,
thought a common, explanation and that's these kinds of disasters
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really aren't the result of one failure or one. Event
according To alan jurand RETIRED noah, official it's more often
the result of a confluence of. Events ungovernable by one
person or one. Decision so let's talk about The Guadalupe
river for a. Moment another name for The Guadalupee river
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and the surrounding area is flash Flood. Alley that's what
it's known. As steep, terrain rocky, soil high levels of
rainfall make the river specially prone to high water runoff
and some residents are inundated constantly every day with flash
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flood warnings during rainy, season like tsunami, warnings we actually
get tsunami. Warnings does anybody pay? Attention, no even in
tsunami Areas, japan which suffers from tsunamis. Occasionally Uh, no
one pays attention because there's so. Many so THE nws
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actually did communicate the threat of moderate to heavy rainfall
two days Before july. Fourth two Days july, second they
already issued the threat of moderate to heavy. Rainfall and
the claims that the local offices of the agency were.
Understaffed the New Brand Fields new Brand fells office that's
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the name of the town new Brand, fells which is
responsible for some of the areas hit by the. Flood,
well they had five forecasters working during the storms when
there aren't storms there are normally two and they had.
Five so the argument is that they were understaffed is pure.
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Hocum it's ps and the cuts can't you can't blame
The trump administration for the cuts because they The trump
administration had nothing to do with. This, now there, was
as a result of these, cuts a Warning coordination meteorologist
who normally is there that was let, go who would
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have worked with local officials to plan a. Response but
what is the response when this thing hits like? This
the response is to rescue. People the response is to recover. Bodies,
unfortunately and this has to do with the horrific floods
that happened in for the most part Of Care county
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In austin or Near austin In. Texas And heather just
shared with us the new numbers of what one hundred
and nineteen dead and still what one hundred and seventy
three people are.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Missing, yes they're hoing a live press conference right now,
too down In, texas And i'll keep an eye on
that as.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well. Please and, unfortunately those that are, missing you're gonna
hear that they are either, found the bodies are found
or presumed. DEAD i don't think you're gonna see much
of a rescue effort going. ON i think it's pretty
well they've given up the. Ghosts so the blame game
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started already literally as people were, dying started in the
morning as the flooding. Continued and who is to blame?
Here they're, saying we could have had all kinds of.
Answers you, know the warnings didn't go. Out The trump
administration has cut funding The noah and therefore there weren't enough.
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Meteorologists well there were, plenty not arguing that there's been,
cuts but on this, one not know there were enough
people there as a matter of, fact five meteorologists on
call that were there instead of the normal. Two and
this area and The Guadalupe river, floodingile this is known
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as Flood alley The Guadalupe. River, well it's been around
for a. While and let's go back to nineteen thirty
Two july one and Two. July Early, july heavy rains
bloated the river waters crested at thirty six. Feet this.
Interesting within just a foot of this, one seven people.
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Killed flash flood swept away summer camps that lined the river,
bank Including Camp. Mystic that's going back to nineteen thirty.
Two now the good news no campers were. Killed why
not because of an early warning systemivity kind is it
happened during the daytime and there was enough warning people
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knew they could. See in nineteen eighty, seven eleven inches
of rainfall near the, headwaters another flash. Flood this killed
ten teenagers this. One so after the eighty seven, floods
some alarms were installed along THE waterloopi to monitor the.
River but even though there was talk of a full
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alarm siren system along the, river which by the, way
is now going to, happen trust, me it was just
too expensive and the local authorities didn't want to spend the.
Money and while this is, happening all of this nonpartisan
support for The Weather service is heading, dout and The
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Weather service has gotten huge. Support it's the very popular.
Agencies but now you've got the conspiracy, theories even from government.
Officials my favorite one Is Marjorie Taylor. Green When Hurricane
helene went through major red areas last, Year Marjorie Taylor
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green said of The, democrats because red areas were affected the,
most The democrats they can control the, weather and look
what they're. Doing, okay good, Enough in the, meantime The
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trump administration is pushing to ELIMINATE. Fema now this isn't the,
aftermath And i'm ASSUMING fema is there as well as
The Red cross and The World kitchen is. There and
the problem that we're going to, see and you're going
to see the aftermath of the flooding of The Guadalupe
river being used as a reason for the attack on
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the government for eliminating or down RAIDING fema is, saying
look at, this some of these disasters are so horrific
without federal help that nothing is gonna is nothing is
going to, help not as, much matter of, fact what
the drump administration is saying this and WHAT fema, does
let's go to The. States but in the, meantime that's
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the future that hasn't. Happened the flooding of The Guadalupe
river has happened right. Here and now the barn door
which is, open will be. Closed and the horse is long.
Dead matter of, fact they found the horse floating down the.
River and you're going to see sirens and The Mystic.
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Camp you, know it's been around for over one hundred.
YEARS i think it's the country's Largest christian Based Girls.
Camp seven hundred and fifty campers were, there and you
had dozens of these kids that, die particularly young, kids
because those cabins were close to the, river and the
older kids those cabins were farther up the, hill this little.
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Hillside so whose fault is? It? Really. Nobody's this is
just a natural disaster of just unimaginable, consequences and it.
Happens it, happens and these poor kids pay the. Price
and can it could have been helped? Sirens who knows
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at this? Point and by the, way even if the
sirens system was put into place at the, earliest it
Be september one when it kicks. In and then the argument,
goes well it should have kicked in. Sooner all, right
let's say Hot wednesday, Morning july, Ninth and with that
we check in with Doctor Jim, keeney chief medical officer
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For Dignity Saint Mary Medical center In Long. Beach all, Right,
jim we are now hearing that we're in the middle
of the hot. Spell heather and other news folks are
talking about is going to be, hot, hot especially in
The San Frano Valley Woodland hills one hundred and six
degrees and we hear about people, dying but not. Here
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we usually hear about it in sort of The midwest
area or the eastern. Seaboard and is it fair to
say that we really don't take the heat seriously? Enough?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Oh, YEAH i MEAN i think people don't recognize the
risk of heat, injury over exposure to, heat, dehydration all
of those, things BECAUSE i, mean we are, lucky, Right
we tend to live in a more in a lower humidity,
area so our natural sweating process actually. Works once the
humidity gets above about seventy, percent you're not offloading any
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heat with, Sweat so all of a, sudden your body's
natural mechanism to cool off is just shut, down all?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Right and what what? Happens because you've described to me
the levels of heat, injuries and at one point you
actually describe WHICH i thought was kind of, scary your
brain actually cooking in your, HEAD i think is the
way you described, it or maybe that's the WAY i
described it to. You let's talk about the different levels of.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Heat, Sure and, yeah so heat we, start you, know
you start getting just that feeling like you're, overheating, Right
you get a little light, headed a little. Dizzy we
call that heat exhaustion and you're just kind of you feel,
exhausted you feel light, headed like you might pass. Out
that's the time where you definitely want to get out
of the. Sun get out of, It get out of
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direct sunlight where you're getting radiant heat from the, Sun
get into the, shade cool, Off drink cool, fluids cold,
fluids and maybe you, know take off some clothing if
you're heavily you, know clothed at that point and you
just want to cool. Off that's a real safe time
to be able to correct. Situation if that, progresses we
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get into what's called heat. Stroke and heat stroke is
where you have such high, temperatures like greater than one
hundred and seven in your, body and that starts denaturing
some of the. Proteins, Right so a protein has a
certain shape and it has the ability to kind of
move around a little. Bit think about an. Egg egg
is mostly, protein, right the egg. White when you cook,
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it it turns. White you can't reverse, that you can't
go back to the gelatinous material that it was. Before
that's called. Denatured. Right it's lost its natural shape of the,
molecule and that's permanent. Damage so you don't want to
definitely don't want to get to that. Stage and that's
what we're talking about cooking your. Brain is that, essentially
people go into heat stroke it looks like a. Stroke
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it get, confused, disoriented they don't make any, Sense they
may lose, consciousness and that's a very very dangerous. Condition.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Wow and by the, way do you? Well first of,
ALL i want to congratulate, you because there are many
times when you're explaining something THAT i have absolutely no
idea what you're talking, about AND i PRETEND i do
BECAUSE i don't want to come off like a complete.
Moron you just did a fabulous job of explaining the
concept of the naturing and what happens during a heat.
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Stroke now do you notice that are people sort of
conscious going from heat exhaustion and heat? Stroke is it
one of those things where you don't even realize is. Happening,
NO i think.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So there's things that can cause that to. Happen for,
example being. Intoxicated there's a lot of people that will
pass from heat exhaustion to heat stroke and not really
be aware that they're getting worse because they're under the
influence of some kind of. Drug there also are drugs
that will reduce your sensation of getting into that, trouble
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and they're even drugs that will enhance that so that
you will actually go into heat exhaustion heat strokes. Faster
so if you're especially elderly, people their sense of being
overheated isn't as acute as younger. People so you leave
an older person in the sun and they you, know
they may overheat and not not necessarily complain too, much
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and all of a sudden they're in heat. Stroke so
if you're on a lot of different, medications you, know
definitely check with your. Pharmacists the list is too long
to go, through but you, know you check with your
pharmacists and, say do any of these medications expose me
to increase risk for heat exhaustion and and then be especially.
Careful but you, know either, way even if you're not
on those, medicines you definitely want to be careful and
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stay cool and stay. Hydrated that's the one key, is you,
know pre, hydration both for exercise and for just going
out in the sun is really. Important it makes you
feel better while you're doing, it you improve your performance,
overall and it reduces your risk.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you don't stop, paining which is always. Fun we're
going to come, back AND i Know jim likes to.
Pee we've talked about this. Before he's a big. Peer all, Right,
okay tick season is, here and as you miss my
great line about there's an uptick and ticks. Season just love.
That and, usually or at LEAST i don't think of
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ticks in Southern. California ticks to me are you go
into the northeast and you're. HIKING i don't understand what
even that, is but you're hiking along trails and the
woods and the, hills and all of a sudden you're
being bitten by teaks all over the. Place ticks all
over the. Place number, one are they? Here number? Two
how dangerous are? They and how do you deal with?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Them so ticks are definitely. Here and you know in
the in these little even these little hiking hills around you,
Know San clementy Or Orange, county and In Los angeles
there are ticks. GALORE i mean they're. Everywhere so you
get into that like tall, grass those those areas where
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they have those big bushy or you know those big yellow.
FLOWERS i think they're Called spanish broom or something like
that those always have tons of ticks in there because
when those are, blooming it means that there was a
lot of rainfall and it's really moist on the, ground
and the ticks like that moist. Environment they love dead.
Wood so people who like you're taking a break while
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you're hiking and you sit on a, log well you
just probably got covered with ticks because if that log
is wet at, all that's one of their favorite places
to hang. Out so we definitely see. It we definitely
see people get you, know some of the diseases associated
with tick, bites like lyme, disease you can get that
here In. California and so you, know what do you? Do,
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Well number one is you try and avoid you, know
going on trails that are like off. Trail if you're
staying like right on the, trail chances are much. Lower
they're not going to jump all the way from the
side of the trail onto. You but if you're walking
through brush and it's brushing against your, body then that's
right when they grab onto. You if you're wearing you,
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know high, socks you can treat your clothing with, permethrone
which is a that's repellent and you, know just, basically
as soon as you're done walking or, hiking you just
do a body check and make sure you don't have any,
ticks take a, shower look at, everything you, know make
it a fun part of the post hike. Experience check
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each other. Out and then now what do you do
if you find a? Tick, well you want to remove it.
IMMEDIATELY a lot of people are just like freak out about.
It they're scared about, it and then they want to
go to the emergency room or something to get a tick.
REMOVED i can tell you that is going to be
a waste of your three to four. Hours you just
grab a pair of. Tweezers you grab it, gently you,
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know firmly enough to grab, it and you just slowly
tug on it and you'll see it kind of pull
up the skin a little, bit and you just let
you just stay like that for a while and the
thing will eventually kind of release on its. Own you
don't want to try and rip it out because a
lot of times then the head rips off the body
and now that's stuck in, there it's a little harder
to get. Out and if you're getting it out within
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the first hour or two of it being on, there
it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Easier, hey do you prophylactically give, antibiotics some kind of
medication because of the danger of lime, Disease for, example
once you've been bitten by a.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Tick our risk is. Lower the thought, is if it's
attached just for you, know less than a few, hours
the risk is extremely, low even if the tick did
have you, know any kind of lime disease with, It
but you can number, one if it's greater than twenty four,
hours we do prophylactically treat with doxy, cycling which which
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does protect against. It but going back to the previous,
segment doxy cycling and sensitizes you to the, sun so
then you can't go out in the sun or you'll
get a. Sunburn but you can also you, know get
the tick itself if you if you hold on to,
it bring it to your. Doctor they can a lab
and get it tested for lime disease you. YOURSELF i,
mean the testing doesn't turn positive for like three to four.
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Weeks so if you get bit by a, tick no
point and rushing in to get a line, test you
know that's not going to. Help but if you have
the ticke. Itself we could send that to the lab
and get it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Tested it's the bottom, line if you go, hiking you're gonna,
die which is Why i'm a big fan of not doing.
It and, line disease is no, fun is. IT i,
mean it is pretty serious when you get.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
It, yeah it is no fun at, all and it
can be current turned chronic and it really causes body wide.
Issues so definitely something you want to try and.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Avoid all, Right, Jim, thanks we'll talk. AGAIN i talked
To jim over the. WEEKEND i had some medical issues
With lindsay And jim being really really good about. It
and thank. You and by the, way for those of
you that want free medical, advice just CONTACT kfi And
i'll be more than happy to give You jim's cell. Number,
jim thank.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You, Thanks, bill you got.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It we'll talk again next. Week we're. Done we're. Done
wake up call tomorrow. Morning Heather brooker is still, here
and so it'll be, Uh heather and who the hell
hell So will that's his? Name, uh excuse, Me heather
And will in the. Morning wake up call at five.
Am and Then neil AND i jump, aboard and of
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