June 18, 2025 • 22 mins
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‘Occupation’ or ‘Rebellion’: The 9th Circuit heard arguments about National Guard in LA. For the first time in 50 years, more people may leave the U.S than arrive – what that means economically. Young graduates are facing an employment crisis. The ‘American Dream’… yeah… not so much.
‘Occupation’ or ‘Rebellion’: The 9th Circuit heard arguments about National Guard in LA. For the first time in 50 years, more people may leave the U.S than arrive – what that means economically. Young graduates are facing an employment crisis. The ‘American Dream’… yeah… not so much.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Here it is a Wednesday morning, June eighteen, and big
news going on for sure, Doctor Jim Keeney at A thirty,
which we always do on Wednesday. And I have been
saying for months that this administration is pushing the boundaries
of presidential authority and powers. A fascinating legal issue as
(00:33):
to how far the authority of a president can go.
And then this goes back, for example, to the if
you remember, of course, you do the cases that President
Trump was involved with, the convictions on the Document's case,
(00:53):
et cetera. And the President said that his argument was
in terms of prosecution of a president anything a president
does during the course of the pregnancy pregnancy to presidency.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Nice boy, there's a Freudian slip. Anything that a.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
President does during the course of a presidency, in his
role as the president, national leader, is he has complete
and total immunity.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Even to the point where Ellen A.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Kagan had asked the Solicitor General, does that mean that
a president, if he believes that a candidate, an opposition candidate,
would hurt the United States, he could order the assassination
of that candidate opposing him, and.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The administration said, yeah, absolutely, he could order the assassination
of a rival.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And the court basically came down and said, whatever they
held a president does that, he's got total immunity from prosecution. Well,
this one is happening right now, and this has to
be with Los Angeles, has to do with Los Angeles,
and that is questioning President Trump's decision to deploy federal
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troops to La to federalize the National Guard and to
bring in the Marines.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And the court's right to review it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And it's the same argument that is being made that
a president has the ultimate right to bring in troops
to federalize a national Guard if he believes that the
security of the United States is at risk, and that
power is absolute, and the courts can't even review it.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And it is now up on appeal.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh you can bet because the state of California has said,
oh no, thank you, you cannot do that, and they
went to federal court and the lower court, the district
court said to the.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Government, you can't.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
To federal government, you can't do it. It's an abuse, excessive
use of your power as president. National Guard goes back
to the control of the governor, who is the commander
in chief of the National Guard. You know, you often think,
don't think that that is his role, but it is.
Now can a president take that away and federalize it
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under rare circumstances when there is open rebellion against the
United States of America, when there is an invasion and
the risk to the United States and its property is
so great that the federalization of the National Guard kicks in.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
President can order that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Normally what happens is that a governor asks a president
to come in and do the national Guard. Only the
president can actually invoke the state National Guard. And so
the president at this point by past that because Gavin
Newsom would never let him have that kind of power.
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And the lawsuit has hit big time. The lower court said,
can't do it, mister President, and turned over the control
of the guard back to the governor. And of course
the government appealed, and now it's in the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals And what is the decision?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
What are they looking at?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
They are looking at does the president have unbridled power
that he decides when there is an open rebellion, even
to the point where one of the Ninth Circuit asked
the Federal attorney does that mean that in the United States,
that if the president feels that there is a rebellion
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in Los Angeles, he can federalize the National Guard.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
In all fifty states.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And you know what the Attorney General's office said, Yep,
he sure can. It's his call, and he makes that
decision under any and all circumstances, no judicial review.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But handle what about the fact of them protecting federal resources?
How come he can't, as president say listen, there's federal
buildings and I have federal agents out there.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Understood. No, there's no question.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yes, absolutely he does, and he does. He does have
that power. Now, the argument is, what if there is
no threat to federal buildings or federal property and he
just says there is.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's the point. Was the federal building under attack? I
don't remember that. Was there any issue or was this
a protest?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And the fight was between local police and the protesters?
And when property was damaged it was what There were
four cars that were revolved. Weaimo cars now for the
president argue that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Four waymo cars.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Therefore they are at the forefront of American security interests.
Those four waymo cars. That's a little stiff. But according
to the administration, you bet he has that kind of power.
We'll see which way the court goes on this. This
is going to be very interesting how far and it's
far more than just this case. It is literally how
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much power does a president have? And we're going to
see what the court says. And this is going to
no matter what the Appeals Court says, the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals, it's going to go to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's going to fast track the Supreme Court. There's no
question about it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And we're moving in the direction of giving the president
a lot more power. And it's been going off in
fifty different for the last fifty years.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'll tell you what we do know about the Trump administration,
and that is that he does not like migration, does
not like immigration, wants to throw out a million or
more this year migrants, both legal migrants based on the
program that Joe Biden opened up the borders to everybody
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and wants to throw out to change the definition of
what is legal and what is not, removing temporary status
as well as throwing out illegal aliens, illegal migrants. Well,
here is what looks like it's happening. The effect that
it's going to have on the economy, and we're talking
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about entire sectors of the economy, hospitality, construction, agriculture, and
Trump has gone back and forth on that one. Nope,
we're going to just go after everybody who is here illegally,
notwithstanding how much influence they have on these sectors, how
important they are. And then he changed his wind and said, Okay,
(07:50):
we'll leave agriculture alone, We'll leave hospitality alone. And then
again he changed his mind, saying, Nope, we are going
to go after those illegal migrants who are working in
those sectors.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And at this point, the White House spokesman is saying
that we have plenty of Americans who will do those jobs.
We are not going to have a problem with hospitality
or agriculture or construction once we deport all of these people.
There are plenty of Americans that are willing to I
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guess pick strawberries.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You got me on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know of anybody who's unemployed that's willing to
go into the fields, in the agricultural fields.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And how many people are willing to do backbreaking work.
They're just not and the economy is going to be hit.
There is no question it's going to be hit, and
it's going to be hit pretty hard. That's what most
economists are saying, although the administration is saying absolutely not
that it will actually help our economy to have all
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of those illegal migrants.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Leave the United States.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So we're going to have the lowest immigration levels in decades.
It hit incredibly low levels during the financial crisis in
two thousand and eight, as well as the pandemic. But
this one has not to do with an event like
the Great Recession or the pandemic. This is going to
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happen as a matter of policy, and we're going to
see how far it goes. We don't know the tariffs right.
The tariffs are going to increase our economy and help businesses.
Although I'm turning around and I talked to my partner
again last night. We're sitting on an eighty two percent
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tariffs that we have to write these checks to the government,
and it's not helping our business, even though we're being
told these tariffs are good for you. Okay, I'd like
to see that, and I'm not seeing it. And the
policies that are now in place in terms of taking
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away deporting migrants, illegal migrants who are working in agriculture
and construction and hospitality, that those sectors are going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Helped by the deportation of these people. I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's like Big Pharma is trying to convince us that
reducing prices for farmers goodceuticals are good for us. That
excuse me, are bad for us. Let me change that around.
Big farm has actually said paying more money for drugs
is good for us.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Huh. I don't get it. I don't get it. Well,
the economists are saying.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The economists, or most economists, there are some economists that
are going the other way that agree with the Trump administration,
saying making sure that all these deportations happen and as
quickly as possible are good for business.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, well, I don't know. It's just all turned around. Now.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
The argument the administration has, which is legitimate, is that
the Biden administration it was open arms, it was come
on in, give us your higher your huddled, you're wretched,
you're poor, and will take care of them. Yeah, that's true.
That's what the Biden administration did. Five hundred thousand just
temporary status that were allowed in the United States from Venezuela,
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from Haiti that can be taken away and was taken away.
Student visas can be removed, and they are being removed.
So it's gone from one side to the other. It's
bouncing back and forth. It's the bouncing ball, or it's
the pendulum which went too far one way, it's now
going too far the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Do we have a middle yet?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Neah?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Quite all right.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You've often heard me talk about my daughters and how
much which I love my daughters, which I do, and
how inexpensive they are in my life, and how I
will be working for the rest of my life to
help them out. It's a Jewish thing, and it's a
Jewish guilt thing. I'm you know, kids get thrown out
when they're eighteen or leave. That will never happen. Oh
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they're out on their own. But anyway, not going to
go into that. So my daughter, who has a bachelor's degree, what, Neil, do.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You ever think that it might have just been easier
to raise them to be independent?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, of course I do. Are you kidding? Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's I love my kids don't misunderstand. But you know
I'm very pro choice. You know I'm in favor of abortion.
It's a woman's choice. And people said to me when
Marjorie was pregnant with the kids, you know you're going
to feel very, very different about abortion the kids were born,
and let me tell you, I feel even stronger about
abortion than I ever have.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
In the meantime, my daughter was a bachelor's degree in
computer science, is can't get a job, so she is
now entering a master's program in computer science where she's
not going.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
To get a job. Job.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Therein lies the problem, and that is young graduates are
facing this huge employment crisis.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
The US labor market is steady, but I'll tell you
where it's not. Recent grads can't get jobs. Now. Older
workers have jobs.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They're not moving. I mean, no one's transferring work. They're
just staying put. But the Federal Reserve Bank of New
York's at labor market conditions for recent grads of deteriorated,
deteriorated noticeably noticeably in the first quarter. So Pamela tells me,
because I'm helping her and I want to know how
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much the applications that she's making.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Here's what she's seeing, and this is brand new. Entry
Level jobs. Used to be entry level jobs.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You'd graduate, you'd get some certificate and you go into
a job entry level jobs. Well, today entry level jobs
you need two to three years of experience for an
entry level job.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I go, how is that possible? An entry level job
is entry level, isn't it? Nope?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It also means you have to have experience to get it.
And the number of well, the highest level of unemployment
among people looking for work happens to be those who
are trying to get entry level jobs. And here's what's
happening according to the economists who were interviewed for this article,
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and this was in the Wall Street Journal, and that
is there's a general slow down in hiring because business
just doesn't know where the economy is going based on
tariffs and what's happening with the Trump administration. But on
top of that, add to that AI because entry level
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jobs normally people come into work and they're given work
to train to do basically what Scott work is. And
then add you add to those jobs to the work,
just more and more complicated stuffs like law as well
in my world of law. Okay, there you get a
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job as a new associate and they give you all
kinds of miserable, horrible scot labor, and then you would
have more and more work assigned to you that is
more responsible, more responsibility, more complication. That's all gone, that's
all gone. And AI is another fear. Pamela was telling
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me that the work, entry level work that would normally
be given to a new computer science person, working in coding,
working in cybersecurity, is now being done by AI. And
if you can get a program and I AI, why
would you hire someone?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
AI doesn't harass people at work, you don't get law suits.
Although if I, of course we're building an AI company,
the first thing I would do is make sure that
there was sexual and work harassment, hostile work environment like crazy.
Why else would you why else would you have a
program that does work if you didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The point is, young people, uh, it's just insane.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And by the way, high school graduates have it even
worse in terms of getting work. When we talk about
getting work in plumbing and getting work in construction, all
of that is coming down.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There are a few.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Jobs that you can still get but they're pretty specific.
Is air conditioning repair still a good job? I think
so HVAC, certain construction work maybe, you know, I don't know.
In the world of hospitality, Neil, you know, high end work,
high end being, you need skilled labor.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Is that still Is the work still there.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
For hospitality like hotels and food?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
The work's still there.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's just wrestling here in California is a tough place, man.
It is not business friendly, so there's still problems. But
you know, they're trying to raise it to thirty bucks
an hour.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That and I usually yeah, and I usually don't do this,
by the way, and you're right, I usually don't do this.
But for someone who is looking for an entry level
person with computer skills in a bachelor's degree, and you know,
please please fire my daughter for God's sake, let me
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know I've got an entry level person.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Get her, get her a job.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Okay, not happy to do with their skills. Maybe it's
the genetics the DNA that make maybe.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
She's got she's got good skills, but she is a handle,
I have to tell you that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
And she's pretty dark too.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
She's a I love me some Pamela yes he is dark.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah she is all right. I want to tell you
a story.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I may have shared it before, but a story about
my dad immigrating to the United States. He came to
the US in his thirties to immigrate here. He decided
to come to the United States when he was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He told me that he would be watching movies.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
When he was a teenager, and they had newsreels of
course during those days, before and after the movies or
before the movies, and they were mostly for the most
part of American newsreels, and he would see the American
flag waving over buildings and just what America was about.
And he said, that's where I want to live. I'm
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going to move to the United States. Even this is
a teenager in Yugoslavia. Because of the American dream and
the American dream for so many million, millions of people
all the way going back to the immigration, going back
to the eighteen hundreds, that people in Europe.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And from all over the world would come.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
To the United States because of the promise of what
the United States is about.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Well, that for the most part is gone for a
bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
First of all, the United States because of the violence
we have, and we've had a lot of it. We're
perceived that everybody shoots everybody in this country, around the world,
and most countries have gun control, virtually all of them.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There's a guy Edwin van.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Rest, CEO of Study Portals, tracks real time searches by
international students considering coming here, and he said that the
world believes at this point the message from Washington, you
are not welcome here in the United States. We don't
want you here because we're going back to America first,
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that philosophy, which we have done several times in the
course of our history. The last major time before this
one was just prior to World War Two, when America
first we do not want foreigners here. We don't want
to be involved in foreign wars or outside of the US.
Charles Limberg actually led that fight prior to World War Two,
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and of course after the invasion, after Pearl Harbor, that disappeared.
But much of our history we've encouraged immigration. This country
was built on immigration, and now frankly, do we need it. No,
we don't, certainly not the way we did. And so
we're seeing things change completely.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I mean, just turn around one hundred percent. You know
how long ago we go.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
We have developed the idea of immigration, the American creed,
and that's in quotes, was developed by Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Equality, hard work, and.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Freedom are inherent the American And when you come here
and practice the American creed, you will success. You will succeed.
That's what America offer the world today. Not so much.
We've got very deep seated problems. We're on the same
level as everybody else. And a lot of people just say,
you know what, ain't the place that it used to be,
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and in fact that is true, and people are leaving.
Have you heard of how many people leave the United States?
In terms of just the conversation that you have with
people where they're saying, we're going to get out of here.
You know, we're definitely going to leave. The number of
people that have are looking at leaving the States have
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exploded with these various websites and companies that do that.
It's a tough time. It is a tough time. So
in twenty twenty five, looks like the dream still is
here to some, but to a whole lot more people,
this seems to be a country to avoid, which, by
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the way, for those people that are exceptionalists and believe
America should be an introspective country. They're thrilled with that,
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Here it is a Wednesday morning, June eighteen, and big
news going on for sure, Doctor Jim Keeney at A thirty,
which we always do on Wednesday. And I have been
saying for months that this administration is pushing the boundaries
of presidential authority and powers. A fascinating legal issue as
(00:33):
to how far the authority of a president can go.
And then this goes back, for example, to the if
you remember, of course, you do the cases that President
Trump was involved with, the convictions on the Document's case,
(00:53):
et cetera. And the President said that his argument was
in terms of prosecution of a president anything a president
does during the course of the pregnancy pregnancy to presidency.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Nice boy, there's a Freudian slip. Anything that a.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
President does during the course of a presidency, in his
role as the president, national leader, is he has complete
and total immunity.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Even to the point where Ellen A.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Kagan had asked the Solicitor General, does that mean that
a president, if he believes that a candidate, an opposition candidate,
would hurt the United States, he could order the assassination
of that candidate opposing him, and.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The administration said, yeah, absolutely, he could order the assassination
of a rival.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And the court basically came down and said, whatever they
held a president does that, he's got total immunity from prosecution. Well,
this one is happening right now, and this has to
be with Los Angeles, has to do with Los Angeles,
and that is questioning President Trump's decision to deploy federal
(02:05):
troops to La to federalize the National Guard and to
bring in the Marines.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And the court's right to review it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And it's the same argument that is being made that
a president has the ultimate right to bring in troops
to federalize a national Guard if he believes that the
security of the United States is at risk, and that
power is absolute, and the courts can't even review it.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And it is now up on appeal.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh you can bet because the state of California has said,
oh no, thank you, you cannot do that, and they
went to federal court and the lower court, the district
court said to the.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Government, you can't.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
To federal government, you can't do it. It's an abuse, excessive
use of your power as president. National Guard goes back
to the control of the governor, who is the commander
in chief of the National Guard. You know, you often think,
don't think that that is his role, but it is.
Now can a president take that away and federalize it
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under rare circumstances when there is open rebellion against the
United States of America, when there is an invasion and
the risk to the United States and its property is
so great that the federalization of the National Guard kicks in.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
President can order that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Normally what happens is that a governor asks a president
to come in and do the national Guard. Only the
president can actually invoke the state National Guard. And so
the president at this point by past that because Gavin
Newsom would never let him have that kind of power.
(03:56):
And the lawsuit has hit big time. The lower court said,
can't do it, mister President, and turned over the control
of the guard back to the governor. And of course
the government appealed, and now it's in the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals And what is the decision?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
What are they looking at?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
They are looking at does the president have unbridled power
that he decides when there is an open rebellion, even
to the point where one of the Ninth Circuit asked
the Federal attorney does that mean that in the United States,
that if the president feels that there is a rebellion
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in Los Angeles, he can federalize the National Guard.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
In all fifty states.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And you know what the Attorney General's office said, Yep,
he sure can. It's his call, and he makes that
decision under any and all circumstances, no judicial review.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But handle what about the fact of them protecting federal resources?
How come he can't, as president say listen, there's federal
buildings and I have federal agents out there.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Understood. No, there's no question.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yes, absolutely he does, and he does. He does have
that power. Now, the argument is, what if there is
no threat to federal buildings or federal property and he
just says there is.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's the point. Was the federal building under attack? I
don't remember that. Was there any issue or was this
a protest?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And the fight was between local police and the protesters?
And when property was damaged it was what There were
four cars that were revolved. Weaimo cars now for the
president argue that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Four waymo cars.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Therefore they are at the forefront of American security interests.
Those four waymo cars. That's a little stiff. But according
to the administration, you bet he has that kind of power.
We'll see which way the court goes on this. This
is going to be very interesting how far and it's
far more than just this case. It is literally how
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much power does a president have? And we're going to
see what the court says. And this is going to
no matter what the Appeals Court says, the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals, it's going to go to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's going to fast track the Supreme Court. There's no
question about it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And we're moving in the direction of giving the president
a lot more power. And it's been going off in
fifty different for the last fifty years.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'll tell you what we do know about the Trump administration,
and that is that he does not like migration, does
not like immigration, wants to throw out a million or
more this year migrants, both legal migrants based on the
program that Joe Biden opened up the borders to everybody
(07:08):
and wants to throw out to change the definition of
what is legal and what is not, removing temporary status
as well as throwing out illegal aliens, illegal migrants. Well,
here is what looks like it's happening. The effect that
it's going to have on the economy, and we're talking
(07:29):
about entire sectors of the economy, hospitality, construction, agriculture, and
Trump has gone back and forth on that one. Nope,
we're going to just go after everybody who is here illegally,
notwithstanding how much influence they have on these sectors, how
important they are. And then he changed his wind and said, Okay,
(07:50):
we'll leave agriculture alone, We'll leave hospitality alone. And then
again he changed his mind, saying, Nope, we are going
to go after those illegal migrants who are working in
those sectors.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And at this point, the White House spokesman is saying
that we have plenty of Americans who will do those jobs.
We are not going to have a problem with hospitality
or agriculture or construction once we deport all of these people.
There are plenty of Americans that are willing to I
(08:25):
guess pick strawberries.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You got me on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know of anybody who's unemployed that's willing to
go into the fields, in the agricultural fields.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And how many people are willing to do backbreaking work.
They're just not and the economy is going to be hit.
There is no question it's going to be hit, and
it's going to be hit pretty hard. That's what most
economists are saying, although the administration is saying absolutely not
that it will actually help our economy to have all
(08:58):
of those illegal migrants.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Leave the United States.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So we're going to have the lowest immigration levels in decades.
It hit incredibly low levels during the financial crisis in
two thousand and eight, as well as the pandemic. But
this one has not to do with an event like
the Great Recession or the pandemic. This is going to
(09:24):
happen as a matter of policy, and we're going to
see how far it goes. We don't know the tariffs right.
The tariffs are going to increase our economy and help businesses.
Although I'm turning around and I talked to my partner
again last night. We're sitting on an eighty two percent
(09:45):
tariffs that we have to write these checks to the government,
and it's not helping our business, even though we're being
told these tariffs are good for you. Okay, I'd like
to see that, and I'm not seeing it. And the
policies that are now in place in terms of taking
(10:05):
away deporting migrants, illegal migrants who are working in agriculture
and construction and hospitality, that those sectors are going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Helped by the deportation of these people. I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's like Big Pharma is trying to convince us that
reducing prices for farmers goodceuticals are good for us. That
excuse me, are bad for us. Let me change that around.
Big farm has actually said paying more money for drugs
is good for us.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Huh. I don't get it. I don't get it. Well,
the economists are saying.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The economists, or most economists, there are some economists that
are going the other way that agree with the Trump administration,
saying making sure that all these deportations happen and as
quickly as possible are good for business.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, well, I don't know. It's just all turned around. Now.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
The argument the administration has, which is legitimate, is that
the Biden administration it was open arms, it was come
on in, give us your higher your huddled, you're wretched,
you're poor, and will take care of them. Yeah, that's true.
That's what the Biden administration did. Five hundred thousand just
temporary status that were allowed in the United States from Venezuela,
(11:32):
from Haiti that can be taken away and was taken away.
Student visas can be removed, and they are being removed.
So it's gone from one side to the other. It's
bouncing back and forth. It's the bouncing ball, or it's
the pendulum which went too far one way, it's now
going too far the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Do we have a middle yet?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Neah?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Quite all right.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You've often heard me talk about my daughters and how
much which I love my daughters, which I do, and
how inexpensive they are in my life, and how I
will be working for the rest of my life to
help them out. It's a Jewish thing, and it's a
Jewish guilt thing. I'm you know, kids get thrown out
when they're eighteen or leave. That will never happen. Oh
(12:17):
they're out on their own. But anyway, not going to
go into that. So my daughter, who has a bachelor's degree, what, Neil, do.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You ever think that it might have just been easier
to raise them to be independent?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, of course I do. Are you kidding? Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's I love my kids don't misunderstand. But you know
I'm very pro choice. You know I'm in favor of abortion.
It's a woman's choice. And people said to me when
Marjorie was pregnant with the kids, you know you're going
to feel very, very different about abortion the kids were born,
and let me tell you, I feel even stronger about
abortion than I ever have.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
In the meantime, my daughter was a bachelor's degree in
computer science, is can't get a job, so she is
now entering a master's program in computer science where she's
not going.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
To get a job. Job.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Therein lies the problem, and that is young graduates are
facing this huge employment crisis.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
The US labor market is steady, but I'll tell you
where it's not. Recent grads can't get jobs. Now. Older
workers have jobs.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They're not moving. I mean, no one's transferring work. They're
just staying put. But the Federal Reserve Bank of New
York's at labor market conditions for recent grads of deteriorated,
deteriorated noticeably noticeably in the first quarter. So Pamela tells me,
because I'm helping her and I want to know how
(13:43):
much the applications that she's making.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Here's what she's seeing, and this is brand new. Entry
Level jobs. Used to be entry level jobs.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You'd graduate, you'd get some certificate and you go into
a job entry level jobs. Well, today entry level jobs
you need two to three years of experience for an
entry level job.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I go, how is that possible? An entry level job
is entry level, isn't it? Nope?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It also means you have to have experience to get it.
And the number of well, the highest level of unemployment
among people looking for work happens to be those who
are trying to get entry level jobs. And here's what's
happening according to the economists who were interviewed for this article,
(14:30):
and this was in the Wall Street Journal, and that
is there's a general slow down in hiring because business
just doesn't know where the economy is going based on
tariffs and what's happening with the Trump administration. But on
top of that, add to that AI because entry level
(14:51):
jobs normally people come into work and they're given work
to train to do basically what Scott work is. And
then add you add to those jobs to the work,
just more and more complicated stuffs like law as well
in my world of law. Okay, there you get a
(15:12):
job as a new associate and they give you all
kinds of miserable, horrible scot labor, and then you would
have more and more work assigned to you that is
more responsible, more responsibility, more complication. That's all gone, that's
all gone. And AI is another fear. Pamela was telling
(15:36):
me that the work, entry level work that would normally
be given to a new computer science person, working in coding,
working in cybersecurity, is now being done by AI. And
if you can get a program and I AI, why
would you hire someone?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
AI doesn't harass people at work, you don't get law suits.
Although if I, of course we're building an AI company,
the first thing I would do is make sure that
there was sexual and work harassment, hostile work environment like crazy.
Why else would you why else would you have a
program that does work if you didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The point is, young people, uh, it's just insane.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And by the way, high school graduates have it even
worse in terms of getting work. When we talk about
getting work in plumbing and getting work in construction, all
of that is coming down.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There are a few.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Jobs that you can still get but they're pretty specific.
Is air conditioning repair still a good job? I think
so HVAC, certain construction work maybe, you know, I don't know.
In the world of hospitality, Neil, you know, high end work,
high end being, you need skilled labor.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Is that still Is the work still there.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
For hospitality like hotels and food?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
The work's still there.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's just wrestling here in California is a tough place, man.
It is not business friendly, so there's still problems. But
you know, they're trying to raise it to thirty bucks
an hour.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That and I usually yeah, and I usually don't do this,
by the way, and you're right, I usually don't do this.
But for someone who is looking for an entry level
person with computer skills in a bachelor's degree, and you know,
please please fire my daughter for God's sake, let me
(17:44):
know I've got an entry level person.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Get her, get her a job.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Okay, not happy to do with their skills. Maybe it's
the genetics the DNA that make maybe.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
She's got she's got good skills, but she is a handle,
I have to tell you that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
And she's pretty dark too.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
She's a I love me some Pamela yes he is dark.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah she is all right. I want to tell you
a story.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I may have shared it before, but a story about
my dad immigrating to the United States. He came to
the US in his thirties to immigrate here. He decided
to come to the United States when he was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He told me that he would be watching movies.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
When he was a teenager, and they had newsreels of
course during those days, before and after the movies or
before the movies, and they were mostly for the most
part of American newsreels, and he would see the American
flag waving over buildings and just what America was about.
And he said, that's where I want to live. I'm
(18:49):
going to move to the United States. Even this is
a teenager in Yugoslavia. Because of the American dream and
the American dream for so many million, millions of people
all the way going back to the immigration, going back
to the eighteen hundreds, that people in Europe.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And from all over the world would come.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
To the United States because of the promise of what
the United States is about.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Well, that for the most part is gone for a
bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
First of all, the United States because of the violence
we have, and we've had a lot of it. We're
perceived that everybody shoots everybody in this country, around the world,
and most countries have gun control, virtually all of them.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There's a guy Edwin van.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Rest, CEO of Study Portals, tracks real time searches by
international students considering coming here, and he said that the
world believes at this point the message from Washington, you
are not welcome here in the United States. We don't
want you here because we're going back to America first,
(19:57):
that philosophy, which we have done several times in the
course of our history. The last major time before this
one was just prior to World War Two, when America
first we do not want foreigners here. We don't want
to be involved in foreign wars or outside of the US.
Charles Limberg actually led that fight prior to World War Two,
(20:20):
and of course after the invasion, after Pearl Harbor, that disappeared.
But much of our history we've encouraged immigration. This country
was built on immigration, and now frankly, do we need it. No,
we don't, certainly not the way we did. And so
we're seeing things change completely.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I mean, just turn around one hundred percent. You know
how long ago we go.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
We have developed the idea of immigration, the American creed,
and that's in quotes, was developed by Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Equality, hard work, and.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Freedom are inherent the American And when you come here
and practice the American creed, you will success. You will succeed.
That's what America offer the world today. Not so much.
We've got very deep seated problems. We're on the same
level as everybody else. And a lot of people just say,
you know what, ain't the place that it used to be,
(21:21):
and in fact that is true, and people are leaving.
Have you heard of how many people leave the United States?
In terms of just the conversation that you have with
people where they're saying, we're going to get out of here.
You know, we're definitely going to leave. The number of
people that have are looking at leaving the States have
(21:42):
exploded with these various websites and companies that do that.
It's a tough time. It is a tough time. So
in twenty twenty five, looks like the dream still is
here to some, but to a whole lot more people,
this seems to be a country to avoid, which, by
(22:03):
the way, for those people that are exceptionalists and believe
America should be an introspective country. They're thrilled with that,
all right, KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
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