August 27, 2025 • 23 mins
Cracker Barrell goes back to original logo. Orange County History: Lion Country Safari was an accident waiting to happen.Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about a new form of immunotherapy that switches on your immune system to kill cancer cells, COVID rising in California, AI making humans dumb, and a flesh-eating bacteria that is killing people.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You are listening to the Bill Handle show.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Say I'm pretty fly for white Guyshi.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Am six forty handled Here. It is a Wednesday morning,
August twenty seven. A bunch of stuff going on this morning.
First of all, we've got ourselves situation.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well we don't they do.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
In Minneapolis Catholic School has been the target of a shooting.
Amy what twenty kids shot? No debts yet have been
reported other than the shooter. Do I have that right?
Speaker 5 (00:42):
That is correct. We are getting word that there may
be fatalities. We don't have any numbers yet. We are
expecting police to give an update soon. But as many
as twenty could have been shot this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh that is horrific. Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And then a quick word before we go on and
talk about to Cracker Barrel because this is a great topic.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I mean, this is insanity.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Neil and I a week from Saturday on his show
two to five on the Fork Report. He is broadcasting
and I'm joining him from the Wild Fork Store in
Long Beach, join us, giveaways, samples, Zelmans will be there,
food stuff and I can't wait. It's free food for
(01:26):
all of us. Usually it's just me and you get
to pay for it. Not this time around.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Wow, what a pitch. I know, go figure that one
to eat. Come watch me eat?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, pretty much. Here's a story that I still don't understand.
And that was the backlash, is the backlash against Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And here's what happened.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Cracker Barrel changes its logo instead of that barrel, and
the old guy leaning against the barrel gets rid of
all that, and all of a sudden, for some reason,
this goes political and you have starting with right wing
influencers that getting rid of herschel, the old guy and
(02:09):
the Cracker Barrel is somehow woke, and that has exploded.
I mean it went crazy to the point where Cracker
Barrel immediately backpedaled.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Okay, we're sorry, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We'll never do that again. We're gonna go back to
our old logo. You talk, we listen. We're sorry. President
Trump ways in on this. I mean, it doesn't stop.
He congratulated the company on true social All of your
fans very much appreciated going back to the old logo.
(02:45):
Good luck in the future, make lots of money. Most importantly,
make your customers happy again, and then a deputy White
House Chief of Staff posting on X that he got
a call from Cracker Barrel thanking the President for weighing
in on the issue, and Cracker Barrel apologizes that they
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messed up going with the minimalist logo and giving up
their own logo. We could have done a better job
sharing who we are and who we always will be.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What am I missing here? Honest to God, what am
I missing? I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I mean, I can see certain aspects of corporations becoming
quote woke and making political statements. What happened to Target,
for example, I think that's a legitimate story. There is
no question Target was one of the first companies that
embraced THEI embraced minorities in terms of vendors and going
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after the LGBTQ community as customers. And then as soon
as President Trump comes into office, they reverse themselves and
go the other way, and so attacks on both sides.
That is a legitimate Well, I don't care what side
you're on. That is a legitimate argument on either side.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Cracker Barrel getting rid of the barrel on its logo.
How did that become woke? Does someone want to.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Explain that to me, Neil, any idea because I am perplexed.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I just don't understand it. I talked about this on
last Saturday.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't understand the walk part other than I guess
you're getting rid of an old white man sitting on
a rocking chair.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
But what I think is really at the heart of
it has nothing to do with politics. With people tie
emotion with food and if this is something they grew
up with and this is something to me, it's the
logo was eh, but have you seen how they redid
the restaurants. They look horrible, They look cold and inviting.
(04:55):
They don't know, but that was not the attack. But
that was not the attack. We it was part of it.
The logos what got the attention, but real I don't
understand the woke part either, other than hey, you're trying
to change this warm, homey homy all American aesthetic to
be this cold okay.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And that's okay, And I get.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That, okay, And now would there be a national uproar.
You have redesigned your restaurants and now they are cold,
and that's horrible and we want to change everything and
the President and the president weighs in, No.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But that's social media. It brings I've been two important levels. Yeah,
I don't, I truly don't get it.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'll tell you what should have been an uproar which
I tried to start, and it never happened, when Costco
got rid of the Hebrew National hot Dogs and brought
in a cheaper hot dog that was anti Semitic, straight
out an anti my Semitic move. You bastards at Costco.
(06:03):
You got rid of Hebrew National hot Dogs. Now I
know you say because they were too expensive, Because they
are a lot more expensive, because it's better quality meat.
There are no fillers. I don't want to do a
commercial for them and their kosher which brings them to
a whole new level of production.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
None of that really matters. It was anti Semites who
made that decision. I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Probably yeah, yeah, you're lodging okay and chicken bakes' to
people who hate chickens.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Bastards. All right.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Lion Country Safari, you remember that in Revine and it
was the nineteen seventies when it came into being, and
it was a drive through Safari and for more than
a decade, well, the safari allowed visitors to drive their
own vehicles, that's really important here through an open enclosure
to get the up close look at all of these animals.
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And it was the first cageless safari in southern California,
just wide open, and it was conceptualized by a guy
named Harry Schuster from South Africa, and it was the
idea was to provide Orange County residents and other people
a chance to go through an African safari. And it
was a big success right off the bat, bringing in
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a million visitors the first year. And so what happened
the way it worked as guests drove their own vehicles
with the windows up across a four mile stretch. No convertibles,
but you could rent a Safari jeep and you saw
gi rafts and rhinos and elephants and lions and tigers
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and bears.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Oh my, actually, I don't think there were any tigers.
That weren't any bears. Fraser Lion was a star attraction.
By the way.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Fraser died of pneumonia seventy two, buried there and even
a movie was released Fraser the Lovable Lion. Okay, so
what is why is this so much fun?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Story?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, it turned out that Lion Country Safari had its
share of problems, multiple animal breakouts and attacks. Bubbles the hippo,
for example, managed to escape in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Nineteen days.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Bubbles was out there and they couldn't capture her until
a tranquilizer shot got her and she fell awkwardly and died.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Misty the elephant broke through in nineteen eighty three, And
this was after a concert at the Irvine Meadows Amphitheater,
which is real close and it gets really loud, and
the keepers worried that Misty might be spoot by the
loud music. So out she comes, she breaks out, and
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in an attempt to rechain Misty, the park warden Lee Kenton, well,
let me put it this way, Misty stepped on his head.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And crushed crushed it. I think it was.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I think when your head is under an elephant's foot
and the foot comes down pretty hard, there isn't much
left of your skull.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So clearly that was a fade wound for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And so you had escaped animals, you had the economy,
and you had insurance claims that went.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Through the roof. So it closed, It closed.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
In nineteen eighty four, and so the story continues on,
and that is I don't think there's any place in
the country where you or any place out there where
you can drive your car through.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Now, well, yeah, you've got bear Arizona and you drive
through bears and bisons.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You do, you drive through your own but it's not
But that's like open country.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's not an enclosed or maybe it is.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Part it's a park that you pay to get in
and you drive and they have is wandering around.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay, Okay, I'm wrong, Okay, I get it. I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Don't push it, all right, And then in San Diego
in their cars believe it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, that's different because they are Well that's true open
air now here is a story. Do you know that
if you take a real safari, not that they're not
real down there, because you really see animals, But I'm
talking about open velt land.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know out there in Africa you are in open
jeeps and lions.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Why are right next to you, I mean five feet
they could jump in and eat you in two seconds.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And why don't.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They because you are told do not move, stay where
you are, don't make any sound because the lion will
look at the vehicle and you and it just becomes
one large vehicle which is not harming the lion. So
you see lions literally walking right next to you. It's
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incredible and the reason I brought that up. And I
have pictures which I should put on Instagram of a
lion couple of lion where male lions walking in front
of me. I have never seen yards that big in
my life. It looked like that there were two basketballs
that were hanging down from this lion. I know I'm
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accused of being a little obsessed with all this for
the last several weeks, but check it out.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You talk more about balls than even Shannon Farren.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, which is going aways, isn't it? But I love
those places. And then in San Diego they have the
park that you can drive through, but I think you
do you actually drive through or do you go around.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It in that tram?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Can you actually go into the park? And I don't know.
I know you could spend the night.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
They have a sleepover camp there where you get to
listen to the animals roar and do their thing. Nighttime
on the sofar on the grasslands is pretty neat nighttime
on the artificial Grasslands not so neat time for a
medical segment, which we do every Wednesday, with doctor Jim M. Kiney,
chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in
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Long Beach, and an er doctor Good morning, Jim.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Good morning Bill. Okay, you knew.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I was going to do this story, the flesh eating
bacteria story. Amount of how could I not? What a
fabulous oh, just a fabulous Well, so I'm trying to
figure out the words that I can't even start talking
about how excited I am about this. In any case,
a quick story and then we're going to really dive
into it. One of the best moments of my life
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is when I was invited to an autopsy at UCLA
and it's a guy who had died of kidney failure,
and so that was no big deal. But right behind
that room, right there was an open door that I
looked into and there was a woman who had died
of flesh eating bacteria. She was heavy set, and it
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looked like a shark had taken this huge chunk out
of her thigh. I mean, I thought she had stars
starred in Jaws. I mean, it was that that gross
and that graphic.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So let's have fun.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Jim talking about flesh eating bacteria and how it's killing people.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Yeah, it is killing people, and it's really you know,
we're people are connecting it to warmer weather this year
because it does grow better in warm water, so we're
seeing it. You know, the cases have been at Florida
and yeah, this is a it's the particular bacteria in
this case is called Vibrio fonnific hands, which is from
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shellfish and warm water, seawater, brackish water, and you can
be exposed to it even from like off seafood or
raw oysters, so it really is everywhere. But once it
gets into your skin, it is super damaging and it
moves very quickly.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, and you were telling me about it moves so
quickly that there you are in the r room. Because
we've talked about this before, because is one of my
most exciting topics in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Flash eating bacteria.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You could actually see it working right there in front
of you, right.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Yeah exactly. I mean, like people walk in and they
have a very painful area, and that's typically your first
clue as somebody comes in with something that doesn't look
bad at all, It just looks maybe a tiny bit red,
but they are screaming in pain. The pain is out
of proportion to what you're seeing, and it's because it's
deeper and it's moving quickly. And as you see that,
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you know, you get vital signs. And immediately their vital
signs will be abnormal, their pulse will be high, their
blood pressure might already be low. As you move them
back to a room from the waiting area, you can
start to see it actually progressing. So you know, like
I told you, with one I had that survived, I
called the ear nose and throat doctor because this guy
had been shaving and it was in his neck area.
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And I said, look, dude, you're gonna have to trust me,
book the operating room and run. And you know, the
surgeons don't do that. Surgeons aren't going to operate on
somebody they've never looked at, they've never talked to. But
you know, based on our twenty years of working together,
he said, all right, Jim, if that's what you're saying,
I'll do it. And he literally ran out of his
office to the operating room. We ran the guy in
there and he was able to get rid of all
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of it. Enough. Now the guy was missing a lot
of skin because it had to be removed, and we
had to transfer them to a burn center where then
they could do a lot of the skin replacement.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So have you had people die on you because the
flesh eating bacteria?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Yes, absolutely I have.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Is that one of those things when the doctors, when
you hit the lounge, you go, hey, let me tell
you what happened today to me?
Speaker 6 (15:53):
No, not really, I mean we like to tell good stories. No,
we don't talk about that one. But yeah, I mean
there we You know, we're all kind of scared of
it in a way because it moves so fast and
it's so aggressive. Now, I got to say, though, that's
typically you know strap and you know streptococcal infections and
staff infections. This Vibrio one is a little more survivable.
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It doesn't move quite as fast. I mean, in this case,
about eighty percent of the people will survive with the
right treatment, but they may still need aggressive antibiotics and
aggressive interventional surgery to remove the infected areas.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
All right, so we get away from fun stuff and
let's move into some jim.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You and I talk a lot about this sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
COVID is becoming news again. It's coming back and I
can't wait for the politics to start.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So what's going on here?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Bratically, what we're seeing is higher positivity rates, increasing outpatient cases,
upticks and hospitalization so and emergency room as as are going,
especially in seniors. So we're definitely seeing a resurgence. It's
not quite at the peak that it was last summer,
so it's a little better than the last summer, but
we are seeing it more. The concern, of course, is
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that because we've now politicized public health and there's been
uncertainty as far as guidelines, conflicting guidelines, and even the
vaccine landscape, there's confusion because there's you know, issues of
vaccine licensure and eligibility criteria, and so people aren't necessarily
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out there looking or getting the vaccine, and even when
they go look for it, a lot of places don't
have it yet, so you know, lots of problems they're
adding up to a potential for a worse outcome. But
right now it's under control and it is similar and
actually a little bit better than last year's.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Are we ever going to see people dying like we
did see during the course of the first stages of COVID.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
I hope not, because that was bad. I mean, that
was really bad. When we're talking about in Italy, especially
when I first started, the death rates of a thirty percent,
you know, and even here where we were seeing death
rates ten to twelve percent once it moved over to
the United States, that was awful. We're still seeing people
die from COVID, but a lot of them are you know,
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advanced in age and have comorbid conditions like things like
emphysema or copd asthma. So you know, we're still seeing it,
but nowhere near the level of the first few days,
first days of this pandemic.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And the vaccine for example, I'm a big fan of vaccinations,
as you know. When my kids, you know we're young,
gave them the MMR shots certainly distemper parbo shots GUARDASIL
when they were four years old. I mean, I did
everything for the kids, and I'm a big fan of
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doing it myself. Our COVID vaccinations number one available easily,
and how you said they're difficult to get to where
do we get them? And number two do you suggest
that people do get them regularly like you suggest flu
shots should be gotten every year.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Yeah, I mean, I tend to follow the expert guidelines
on these things, and to me the expert this point,
because RK has fired all the experts from the CDC's
Vaccine Advisory Committee, I would go with the American Academy
of Pediatric recommendations. I mean, they really Again, doctors don't
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make money off these recommendations, and they don't make money
off giving the vaccines. They're trying to do the best
thing for children. They're recommending infants and children ages six
to twenty three months get the vaccine because they are
at a higher risk for having bad outcomes, and then
children too and older they should at least be offered
the vaccine, and then the parents are guard can decide
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on that after a conversation with them, especially if they're
in a high risk household where if they get it
and they give it to like a grandparent, they could
kill the grandparent. So you know, I think that that
following those guidelines is very reasonable, and the same thing
American in College of Obstetrician and Gynecologists are recommending that
people receive a booster or an updated vaccine at any
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time during the pregnancy or if they're planning to become pregnant.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Let me ask you, is it like the flu now
the COVID vaccine where it mutates every year and they
have to guess which way it's going to go.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah, but it's moving a little slower, so you know,
we're still in Omicron's season here. That's what this current
outbreak is Omicron. So if you've had the Omicron vaccine,
you probably have some partial immunity. Now the sub variant
is called stratus omicron stratus, and so yes, are they
modifying the vaccine for that, absolutely, and then it has
(20:59):
to get real licensed, So so you probably do. If
you got an omicron vaccine in the past, you probably
do still have some immunity to it. But the booster
for especially high risk people would be advisable.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
All right, Jim, as always, thanks, are you going to
get vaccinated? By the way, do you have to get vaccinated?
Know what we talked about when you were in the er.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Well, again, this is people are going to think this
is this is hypocritical, but I think it's you know,
you make a personal decision based on your experience. So
I've had I've had COVID eight times, I've had four vaccines,
so I talked to it and infections these guy, and
he said, look, these don't seem to work for you.
I don't think there's any point in you getting them anymore.
So I still get the flu vaccine, but the COVID
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vaccine doesn't seem to be helping me.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Oh good, So we'll follow your advice and no one
gets it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's fair, Jim, thank you. We'll talk again. All all right,
take care of it. Yeah, I love having we have
these same discussions.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
By the way, when we get together and have lunch
and hang out together, is I always ask them about
killing people.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I forgot to say, go ahead and kill someone today, damn,
because that's usually the way I end my conversations with
Jim here on the show.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
All right, we're finished, guys. That's it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Another day, another dollar, Well, another day, another eighty cents.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
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Speaker 4 (22:19):
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with ears. Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You guys have similar heads talking about Yeah, Will and
Will could go back to back and no one would.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Knows what it would look like.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Three bowling balls, flush colored bowling balls. Oh, we can
do a whole shell game with our heads because you
wouldn't know the difference. Okay, we're done, Gary and Shannon
coming up and we're back again tomorrow KFI am six point.
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
Say I'm pretty fly for white Guyshi.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Am six forty handled Here. It is a Wednesday morning,
August twenty seven. A bunch of stuff going on this morning.
First of all, we've got ourselves situation.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well we don't they do.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
In Minneapolis Catholic School has been the target of a shooting.
Amy what twenty kids shot? No debts yet have been
reported other than the shooter. Do I have that right?
Speaker 5 (00:42):
That is correct. We are getting word that there may
be fatalities. We don't have any numbers yet. We are
expecting police to give an update soon. But as many
as twenty could have been shot this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh that is horrific. Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And then a quick word before we go on and
talk about to Cracker Barrel because this is a great topic.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I mean, this is insanity.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Neil and I a week from Saturday on his show
two to five on the Fork Report. He is broadcasting
and I'm joining him from the Wild Fork Store in
Long Beach, join us, giveaways, samples, Zelmans will be there,
food stuff and I can't wait. It's free food for
(01:26):
all of us. Usually it's just me and you get
to pay for it. Not this time around.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Wow, what a pitch. I know, go figure that one
to eat. Come watch me eat?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, pretty much. Here's a story that I still don't understand.
And that was the backlash, is the backlash against Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And here's what happened.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Cracker Barrel changes its logo instead of that barrel, and
the old guy leaning against the barrel gets rid of
all that, and all of a sudden, for some reason,
this goes political and you have starting with right wing
influencers that getting rid of herschel, the old guy and
(02:09):
the Cracker Barrel is somehow woke, and that has exploded.
I mean it went crazy to the point where Cracker
Barrel immediately backpedaled.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Okay, we're sorry, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We'll never do that again. We're gonna go back to
our old logo. You talk, we listen. We're sorry. President
Trump ways in on this. I mean, it doesn't stop.
He congratulated the company on true social All of your
fans very much appreciated going back to the old logo.
(02:45):
Good luck in the future, make lots of money. Most importantly,
make your customers happy again, and then a deputy White
House Chief of Staff posting on X that he got
a call from Cracker Barrel thanking the President for weighing
in on the issue, and Cracker Barrel apologizes that they
(03:06):
messed up going with the minimalist logo and giving up
their own logo. We could have done a better job
sharing who we are and who we always will be.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What am I missing here? Honest to God, what am
I missing? I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I mean, I can see certain aspects of corporations becoming
quote woke and making political statements. What happened to Target,
for example, I think that's a legitimate story. There is
no question Target was one of the first companies that
embraced THEI embraced minorities in terms of vendors and going
(03:46):
after the LGBTQ community as customers. And then as soon
as President Trump comes into office, they reverse themselves and
go the other way, and so attacks on both sides.
That is a legitimate Well, I don't care what side
you're on. That is a legitimate argument on either side.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Cracker Barrel getting rid of the barrel on its logo.
How did that become woke? Does someone want to.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Explain that to me, Neil, any idea because I am perplexed.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I just don't understand it. I talked about this on
last Saturday.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't understand the walk part other than I guess
you're getting rid of an old white man sitting on
a rocking chair.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
But what I think is really at the heart of
it has nothing to do with politics. With people tie
emotion with food and if this is something they grew
up with and this is something to me, it's the
logo was eh, but have you seen how they redid
the restaurants. They look horrible, They look cold and inviting.
(04:55):
They don't know, but that was not the attack. But
that was not the attack. We it was part of it.
The logos what got the attention, but real I don't
understand the woke part either, other than hey, you're trying
to change this warm, homey homy all American aesthetic to
be this cold okay.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And that's okay, And I get.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That, okay, And now would there be a national uproar.
You have redesigned your restaurants and now they are cold,
and that's horrible and we want to change everything and
the President and the president weighs in, No.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But that's social media. It brings I've been two important levels. Yeah,
I don't, I truly don't get it.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'll tell you what should have been an uproar which
I tried to start, and it never happened, when Costco
got rid of the Hebrew National hot Dogs and brought
in a cheaper hot dog that was anti Semitic, straight
out an anti my Semitic move. You bastards at Costco.
(06:03):
You got rid of Hebrew National hot Dogs. Now I
know you say because they were too expensive, Because they
are a lot more expensive, because it's better quality meat.
There are no fillers. I don't want to do a
commercial for them and their kosher which brings them to
a whole new level of production.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
None of that really matters. It was anti Semites who
made that decision. I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Probably yeah, yeah, you're lodging okay and chicken bakes' to
people who hate chickens.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Bastards. All right.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Lion Country Safari, you remember that in Revine and it
was the nineteen seventies when it came into being, and
it was a drive through Safari and for more than
a decade, well, the safari allowed visitors to drive their
own vehicles, that's really important here through an open enclosure
to get the up close look at all of these animals.
(07:06):
And it was the first cageless safari in southern California,
just wide open, and it was conceptualized by a guy
named Harry Schuster from South Africa, and it was the
idea was to provide Orange County residents and other people
a chance to go through an African safari. And it
was a big success right off the bat, bringing in
(07:27):
a million visitors the first year. And so what happened
the way it worked as guests drove their own vehicles
with the windows up across a four mile stretch. No convertibles,
but you could rent a Safari jeep and you saw
gi rafts and rhinos and elephants and lions and tigers
(07:48):
and bears.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Oh my, actually, I don't think there were any tigers.
That weren't any bears. Fraser Lion was a star attraction.
By the way.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Fraser died of pneumonia seventy two, buried there and even
a movie was released Fraser the Lovable Lion. Okay, so
what is why is this so much fun?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Story?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, it turned out that Lion Country Safari had its
share of problems, multiple animal breakouts and attacks. Bubbles the hippo,
for example, managed to escape in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Nineteen days.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Bubbles was out there and they couldn't capture her until
a tranquilizer shot got her and she fell awkwardly and died.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Misty the elephant broke through in nineteen eighty three, And
this was after a concert at the Irvine Meadows Amphitheater,
which is real close and it gets really loud, and
the keepers worried that Misty might be spoot by the
loud music. So out she comes, she breaks out, and
(08:56):
in an attempt to rechain Misty, the park warden Lee Kenton, well,
let me put it this way, Misty stepped on his head.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And crushed crushed it. I think it was.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I think when your head is under an elephant's foot
and the foot comes down pretty hard, there isn't much
left of your skull.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So clearly that was a fade wound for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And so you had escaped animals, you had the economy,
and you had insurance claims that went.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Through the roof. So it closed, It closed.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
In nineteen eighty four, and so the story continues on,
and that is I don't think there's any place in
the country where you or any place out there where
you can drive your car through.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Now, well, yeah, you've got bear Arizona and you drive
through bears and bisons.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
You do, you drive through your own but it's not
But that's like open country.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's not an enclosed or maybe it is.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Part it's a park that you pay to get in
and you drive and they have is wandering around.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay, Okay, I'm wrong, Okay, I get it. I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Don't push it, all right, And then in San Diego
in their cars believe it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, that's different because they are Well that's true open
air now here is a story. Do you know that
if you take a real safari, not that they're not
real down there, because you really see animals, But I'm
talking about open velt land.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know out there in Africa you are in open
jeeps and lions.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Why are right next to you, I mean five feet
they could jump in and eat you in two seconds.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And why don't.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
They because you are told do not move, stay where
you are, don't make any sound because the lion will
look at the vehicle and you and it just becomes
one large vehicle which is not harming the lion. So
you see lions literally walking right next to you. It's
(11:01):
incredible and the reason I brought that up. And I
have pictures which I should put on Instagram of a
lion couple of lion where male lions walking in front
of me. I have never seen yards that big in
my life. It looked like that there were two basketballs
that were hanging down from this lion. I know I'm
(11:23):
accused of being a little obsessed with all this for
the last several weeks, but check it out.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You talk more about balls than even Shannon Farren.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, which is going aways, isn't it? But I love
those places. And then in San Diego they have the
park that you can drive through, but I think you
do you actually drive through or do you go around.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It in that tram?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Can you actually go into the park? And I don't know.
I know you could spend the night.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
They have a sleepover camp there where you get to
listen to the animals roar and do their thing. Nighttime
on the sofar on the grasslands is pretty neat nighttime
on the artificial Grasslands not so neat time for a
medical segment, which we do every Wednesday, with doctor Jim M. Kiney,
chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in
(12:18):
Long Beach, and an er doctor Good morning, Jim.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Good morning Bill. Okay, you knew.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I was going to do this story, the flesh eating
bacteria story. Amount of how could I not? What a
fabulous oh, just a fabulous Well, so I'm trying to
figure out the words that I can't even start talking
about how excited I am about this. In any case,
a quick story and then we're going to really dive
into it. One of the best moments of my life
(12:47):
is when I was invited to an autopsy at UCLA
and it's a guy who had died of kidney failure,
and so that was no big deal. But right behind
that room, right there was an open door that I
looked into and there was a woman who had died
of flesh eating bacteria. She was heavy set, and it
(13:09):
looked like a shark had taken this huge chunk out
of her thigh. I mean, I thought she had stars
starred in Jaws. I mean, it was that that gross
and that graphic.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So let's have fun.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Jim talking about flesh eating bacteria and how it's killing people.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Yeah, it is killing people, and it's really you know,
we're people are connecting it to warmer weather this year
because it does grow better in warm water, so we're
seeing it. You know, the cases have been at Florida
and yeah, this is a it's the particular bacteria in
this case is called Vibrio fonnific hands, which is from
(13:51):
shellfish and warm water, seawater, brackish water, and you can
be exposed to it even from like off seafood or
raw oysters, so it really is everywhere. But once it
gets into your skin, it is super damaging and it
moves very quickly.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, and you were telling me about it moves so
quickly that there you are in the r room. Because
we've talked about this before, because is one of my
most exciting topics in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Flash eating bacteria.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You could actually see it working right there in front
of you, right.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Yeah exactly. I mean, like people walk in and they
have a very painful area, and that's typically your first
clue as somebody comes in with something that doesn't look
bad at all, It just looks maybe a tiny bit red,
but they are screaming in pain. The pain is out
of proportion to what you're seeing, and it's because it's
deeper and it's moving quickly. And as you see that,
(14:44):
you know, you get vital signs. And immediately their vital
signs will be abnormal, their pulse will be high, their
blood pressure might already be low. As you move them
back to a room from the waiting area, you can
start to see it actually progressing. So you know, like
I told you, with one I had that survived, I
called the ear nose and throat doctor because this guy
had been shaving and it was in his neck area.
(15:07):
And I said, look, dude, you're gonna have to trust me,
book the operating room and run. And you know, the
surgeons don't do that. Surgeons aren't going to operate on
somebody they've never looked at, they've never talked to. But
you know, based on our twenty years of working together,
he said, all right, Jim, if that's what you're saying,
I'll do it. And he literally ran out of his
office to the operating room. We ran the guy in
there and he was able to get rid of all
(15:29):
of it. Enough. Now the guy was missing a lot
of skin because it had to be removed, and we
had to transfer them to a burn center where then
they could do a lot of the skin replacement.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So have you had people die on you because the
flesh eating bacteria?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Yes, absolutely I have.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Is that one of those things when the doctors, when
you hit the lounge, you go, hey, let me tell
you what happened today to me?
Speaker 6 (15:53):
No, not really, I mean we like to tell good stories. No,
we don't talk about that one. But yeah, I mean
there we You know, we're all kind of scared of
it in a way because it moves so fast and
it's so aggressive. Now, I got to say, though, that's
typically you know strap and you know streptococcal infections and
staff infections. This Vibrio one is a little more survivable.
(16:17):
It doesn't move quite as fast. I mean, in this case,
about eighty percent of the people will survive with the
right treatment, but they may still need aggressive antibiotics and
aggressive interventional surgery to remove the infected areas.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
All right, so we get away from fun stuff and
let's move into some jim.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You and I talk a lot about this sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
COVID is becoming news again. It's coming back and I
can't wait for the politics to start.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So what's going on here?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Bratically, what we're seeing is higher positivity rates, increasing outpatient cases,
upticks and hospitalization so and emergency room as as are going,
especially in seniors. So we're definitely seeing a resurgence. It's
not quite at the peak that it was last summer,
so it's a little better than the last summer, but
we are seeing it more. The concern, of course, is
(17:12):
that because we've now politicized public health and there's been
uncertainty as far as guidelines, conflicting guidelines, and even the
vaccine landscape, there's confusion because there's you know, issues of
vaccine licensure and eligibility criteria, and so people aren't necessarily
(17:33):
out there looking or getting the vaccine, and even when
they go look for it, a lot of places don't
have it yet, so you know, lots of problems they're
adding up to a potential for a worse outcome. But
right now it's under control and it is similar and
actually a little bit better than last year's.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Are we ever going to see people dying like we
did see during the course of the first stages of COVID.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
I hope not, because that was bad. I mean, that
was really bad. When we're talking about in Italy, especially
when I first started, the death rates of a thirty percent,
you know, and even here where we were seeing death
rates ten to twelve percent once it moved over to
the United States, that was awful. We're still seeing people
die from COVID, but a lot of them are you know,
(18:22):
advanced in age and have comorbid conditions like things like
emphysema or copd asthma. So you know, we're still seeing it,
but nowhere near the level of the first few days,
first days of this pandemic.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And the vaccine for example, I'm a big fan of vaccinations,
as you know. When my kids, you know we're young,
gave them the MMR shots certainly distemper parbo shots GUARDASIL
when they were four years old. I mean, I did
everything for the kids, and I'm a big fan of
(19:00):
doing it myself. Our COVID vaccinations number one available easily,
and how you said they're difficult to get to where
do we get them? And number two do you suggest
that people do get them regularly like you suggest flu
shots should be gotten every year.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Yeah, I mean, I tend to follow the expert guidelines
on these things, and to me the expert this point,
because RK has fired all the experts from the CDC's
Vaccine Advisory Committee, I would go with the American Academy
of Pediatric recommendations. I mean, they really Again, doctors don't
(19:39):
make money off these recommendations, and they don't make money
off giving the vaccines. They're trying to do the best
thing for children. They're recommending infants and children ages six
to twenty three months get the vaccine because they are
at a higher risk for having bad outcomes, and then
children too and older they should at least be offered
the vaccine, and then the parents are guard can decide
(20:01):
on that after a conversation with them, especially if they're
in a high risk household where if they get it
and they give it to like a grandparent, they could
kill the grandparent. So you know, I think that that
following those guidelines is very reasonable, and the same thing
American in College of Obstetrician and Gynecologists are recommending that
people receive a booster or an updated vaccine at any
(20:24):
time during the pregnancy or if they're planning to become pregnant.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Let me ask you, is it like the flu now
the COVID vaccine where it mutates every year and they
have to guess which way it's going to go.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah, but it's moving a little slower, so you know,
we're still in Omicron's season here. That's what this current
outbreak is Omicron. So if you've had the Omicron vaccine,
you probably have some partial immunity. Now the sub variant
is called stratus omicron stratus, and so yes, are they
modifying the vaccine for that, absolutely, and then it has
(20:59):
to get real licensed, So so you probably do. If
you got an omicron vaccine in the past, you probably
do still have some immunity to it. But the booster
for especially high risk people would be advisable.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
All right, Jim, as always, thanks, are you going to
get vaccinated? By the way, do you have to get vaccinated?
Know what we talked about when you were in the er.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Well, again, this is people are going to think this
is this is hypocritical, but I think it's you know,
you make a personal decision based on your experience. So
I've had I've had COVID eight times, I've had four vaccines,
so I talked to it and infections these guy, and
he said, look, these don't seem to work for you.
I don't think there's any point in you getting them anymore.
So I still get the flu vaccine, but the COVID
(21:42):
vaccine doesn't seem to be helping me.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Oh good, So we'll follow your advice and no one
gets it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's fair, Jim, thank you. We'll talk again. All all right,
take care of it. Yeah, I love having we have
these same discussions.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
By the way, when we get together and have lunch
and hang out together, is I always ask them about
killing people.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I forgot to say, go ahead and kill someone today, damn,
because that's usually the way I end my conversations with
Jim here on the show.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
All right, we're finished, guys. That's it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Another day, another dollar, Well, another day, another eighty cents.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We work here at iHeart.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Tomorrow morning we start all over again, and that's with
wake up calls starting with Will and Amy and then
Neil and I jump aboard, and then of course and
and Cono always here. Oh, I'm looking at the back
of Will's head. Very it looks like a bowling ball
with ears. Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You guys have similar heads talking about Yeah, Will and
Will could go back to back and no one would.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Knows what it would look like.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Three bowling balls, flush colored bowling balls. Oh, we can
do a whole shell game with our heads because you
wouldn't know the difference. Okay, we're done, Gary and Shannon
coming up and we're back again tomorrow KFI am six point.
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