All Episodes

October 3, 2025 31 mins
(October 03, 2025)
Gov. Newsom threatens to withhold billions from California colleges that sign Trump’s ‘compact.’ Flying taxis are coming to L.A. This developer is already picking places to land them. US comedians defend decision to play in Saudi Arabia: ‘They’re paying me enough to look the other way.’ Robotic invitro fertilization is creating a new generation of babies.  
Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I
A M six forty.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You are listening to the Bill Handle show the photo
where we go? That's me? Huh, all right, I'm back.
I'm doing something with the dogs. Uh, welcome back, everybody

(00:28):
handle here? What not? Come on? I just uh, I
have to give medicine. Are you ready for this? I
have a dog and this is going to shock you
a little. Izy my little Doxy who I have to
give prozac to every single morning.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Uh Is Anyboddy in your household? Not on copious amounts
of drugs?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
No, everybody is. So I have I have a dog
that needs anti anxiety medication. Just someone comes into my
family and they're you know, I'm on lamick dol. Everybody
just it's it's welcome to handle Land, Okay, I wonder yeah,
all right, Well, in any case, moving on, and it's

(01:10):
gonna be a little bit more serious this topic. And
this has to do with the fight that Donald Trump
is having with academia and academia read Gavenussom in this
uh regard is fighting right back. So what the White
House has done has asked nine universities to adopt Trump's
political priorities in exchange for priority access to federal grants. Now,

(01:35):
this isn't Harvard or Columbia, in which the Trump administration
said straight out we're gonna stop funding period. You're done
unless you acquiesce to our position on DEI and admissions
and academic priorities and what we want you to teach
and how we want you to report to US, et cetera.

(01:58):
That was and that's going to court, as you know,
and the lower court said you can't do that. Well
they've switched a little bit. This one is the White
House asking nine different universities, mainly in California, but including
the University of Arizona, that you have to accept political priorities,
the Trump political priorities, and if you do, you will

(02:21):
get priority access to federal grants. It's not that we're
going to stop federal grants to other places. It's just
you're gonna be You're gonna be able to cut in
line if you adopt our position. Well, Newsom swings right back.
Now it's going to be a fight. It's one of
these things where Newsom isn't caving. I mean he is
become the poster child of the let's fight Donald Trump

(02:44):
on a political level, guy out there. And so what
he does is say, Okay, if you do acquiesce this
is to these universities within the state, we're going to
cut state funding to you. Now, these goals get a
lot of state funding. Newsom threatened to cut billions of

(03:06):
dollars in state funding to USC any California campus that
agrees to this administration with they're calling a compact agreement
to enact these very sweeping and well conservative campus policies.
If any California university signs this radical agreement, this is Newsome,

(03:26):
they'll lose billions in state funding, including CAL grants. California
will not bankroll schools that sell out their students, professors, researchers,
and surrender academic freedom. Now, this is a day after
the White House asked USC and the other major universities
to switch to the right follow the administration's view on

(03:48):
gender identity, on admissions, a diversity on free speech in
exchange for more favorable access to those federal grants, mainly
research grants CAL grants, which of course is California. At
this point, SC is the only California university to be
sent the proposal itself. White House said that universities are

(04:12):
given the agreement. This was the first round of these
demands that are being made. All USC, all CSU campuses
in addition to Stanford are under federal civil rights investigations
right now. The Feds are investigating all of them for
civil rights violations, arguing that admission standards, DEI programs, any

(04:38):
kind of affirmative action programs, which by the way, are illegal,
anything along those lines right now, an investigation that the
schools are violating the laws, the anti discrimination laws. So
the universities are being asked to sign quote a Compact
for Academic Excellence and Higher Education, which means adopting the

(04:59):
White House's vision for America's campuses, and the letter suggests
that colleges should align with Trump's views on student discipline,
on college affordability, the importance of hard sciences over liberal arts.
I mean, the bottom line is the administration wants control
over what's todd at the university level. It's that simple.
You teach what we want you to teach. Otherwise you're

(05:20):
not going to get money, and we're going to do
everything we can investigate you. We're going to make sure
that money is withheld that's pretty I got to tell you,
I don't mind a political fight, but we're talking about
withholding money for cancer research, for example. That's what's being
done right now. So the Trump administration find UCLA one

(05:45):
point two million dollars one toy two billion for a
civil rights violation, and Newsom said uc should should sue
right back and not bend the knee. No lawsuit has
been filed, by the way, so at this point point
this is such a match, a pissing match between them.

(06:06):
The other thing that a federal compact does is going
to restrict international student enrollment to fifteen percent of a
college undergraduate student body. No more than five percent can
come from any single country. Who's going to get hit
really hard. Sc is going to get nailed because twenty
six percent of the twenty twenty five freshman class is international.

(06:28):
More than half of the students come from either China
or India. Why are international students so important to a
university or a college here in the United States Because
they pay full retail, They pay rack rates, the most
expensive tuition, and there are no benefits. There are no
scholarship programs available to international students. They just pay the tuition.

(06:54):
Which means if you're taking if you're going to law
school at SC or going to medical school at UCLA,
that's fifty six one thousand dollars a year intuition. You
cut all of that out, or you cut out a
big chunk of that and not replace the money. By
the way, we're not talking about replacing the money. We're
simply saying the money is not going to come in.
Or that's what the Trump administration is arguing. It's a

(07:20):
huge fight. Which way is it going to go? You know,
I don't know at this point because obviously the power
that the administration has, the power that the presidency has
is extraordinary, almost unlimited. But if anybody can bring that
fight to the table, it's Newsome. And is it because

(07:41):
of Newsom and his personality? I guess to a smaller extent,
it's because Newsom is California, and California is no joke.
I mean, this is not Arkansas, this is not Rhode Island.
This is California, the jugger Nott of what the United
States is about. And so Newsome, I think on a
political level, I mean, he's obviously running for president. I

(08:04):
mean there's no question about that. The more he says, Oh,
I don't know. I want to stay governor. Please give
me a break. He is going around the country at
the various political rallies, which just make a lot of
sense as far as someone's running for office, and he
has become the anti Trump spokesperson. That's not to say
that Trump is going to run again. Although that meeting

(08:27):
that was held this past week with the leadership of
Congress and the Senate in the Oval Office, I don't
know if you saw pictures of it, but Donald Trump
had red hats that said Trump twenty twenty eight on
his desk. What do you do with What do you

(08:50):
do with that?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I don't even know, you laugh, He's trolling them.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I don't even know what you do with that? Isn't
just forget it. Let's say he's gonna be able to
pull it off. How old is he going to be
in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
He's not going to pull it off.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, of course not. But I'm just of course not.
But how old Let's just talk about age for a minute.
How old would he be in twenty twenty eight?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Eighty three? Right, yeah, eighty.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Three, eighty seven? Yeah. Well, Robert Mugabi, who ran Rhodesia,
which became a Zimbabwe was ninety two and ninety three
and still running the country into the ground. I might add,
so this is all this part is entertainment. You know,

(09:35):
the Maga hat twenty twenty eight. How about how about
Trump twenty thirty two. I should make one of those?
Are Let's let's make one of those and start selling those.
You think we'd get some sales.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
That's actually a pretty good idea.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
He's gonna want to freeze himself so that he can
run again a thousand years from now.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
All right, back, no kidding, all right? Have you noticed
that there are no helicopters that you can take in
southern California going from place to place? They just don't
have too many commercial helicopters out there. How many wealthy
people do you think live in southern California who could
afford helicopters to beat the traffic? Because one of those,

(10:18):
I don't care how rich you are, you're still stuck
in traffic.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Other than tourism, which I have done before, the only
time I've been in a helicopter for a meeting to
go to a meeting was with you.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yes, and those It's almost impossible. You can't get landing
rights on helicopters. When you talk about all of these
rooftop you know, the high rise buildings have those helipads.
It's only for the purposes of rescuing people in a fire,
that's what that's about. So it used to be you
could fly helicopters, but it's done. It would be so crowded,

(10:50):
to be so crazy out there. So what's the next step. Well,
air taxis right, you know, air taxis are coming and
by the way, they're here. Air taxis are now here.
And the trick is where are they going to land?
That is the problem. The technology of air taxis has
basically arrived. The problem is, let's get some landing spaces

(11:12):
and we're talking about congested areas. Are they going to
go to using rooftop rooftop heli helipads, Well, they're already there.
You ever see what you've all seen movies New York
where you'd have the pan Am Airways and they had
that helicopter would land on top of a building and
then people would walk down the stairs and he'd be
wealthy people. They didn't want to deal with the subway

(11:34):
or the traffic in New York and at one time,
you know, if they used to go to Disneyland. When
I was a kid, you could take a helicopter to
Disneyland from Fani's Airport. They actually had a helicopter service
and I think one or two of them went down
and that was the end of that. So the air
taxis have arrived and they're going to be up and

(11:56):
running by the Olympics. They say, here's the problem. The
problem is is that they're not the jets and kind
of air traffic or helicopters. They're the kind that need pilots,
and it's going to effectively be uber in the air.

(12:16):
That is, that's not scalable, that doesn't work. There just
aren't that many helicopter pilots out there. It's hard to
fly a helicopter, although today with the eight rotors like drones,
it's probably a lot easier to fly those, but it's
not going to work with pilots. It's going to have

(12:36):
to be autonomous. I mean, there's no way around it.
With autonomous much like we've been talking about autonomous driving vehicles,
the way mos that are out there, the only way
for them to work is to be driver less, and
the same thing is going to happen with air taxis.
They're going to be pilot less and with that, now

(13:00):
this thing is going to explode. And the technology is there.
I mean, can you imagine thousands of these flying around
the skies. They'll be collisions. No, the technology is there,
with the sensors and the radar and the light r
and the routar or whatever the hell they call that,
the Rudolphs.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
It's going to help them guide there a.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Little that's that red blinking light you know at the
front of it, you know, the Rudolphs. It's the technology
is there to keep these things flying. Much like we've
talked about, as soon as fully autonomous vehicles kick in
and people are not going to be allowed to drive,
gridlock is gone. There will be no more gridlock ever,

(13:44):
because cars will be able to drive at speed and
the technology will be able to keep them two inches apart,
and no one's going to speed up or slow down,
or if they are. It's all going to be all
of these vehicles talking to each other and it's going
to run very smoothly, the same things that happened with
their IT shills.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
There was a TV show I can't remember a class
of ninety seven or something like that about modern this
futuristic CIA or something, and it was that exact scenario.
And if you had your hands in the wheel and
were driving, cops could pull you over and ask you
why it wasn't in automatic mode, and you know, and

(14:22):
the drivers like, ah, you know, I just felt like
driving tonight or being controlled.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Okay, well it's safer for you to put it in.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
As you know, and it is. I mean, the people
that are the truck drivers, for example, of the unions, right,
the teamsters always tremendously unsafe. You don't want autonomous trucks
driving around. You want teamsters. You want guys who are men,
real men, flannel shirts, big boots with the left arm
having a tremendous tan on it. That is who you

(14:50):
want driving trucks. Forget about the fact that they are
swallowing uppers like skittles to keep themselves up and going,
or see radios even around anymore, Roger Roger over and
now yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I mean they use each other cell phones, but yeah
they still they still do CV.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
You can I can.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Hear it sometimes when I'm monitoring the airwaves in my shop.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
How cool is that? What was that song that, uh,
the CB radio song? Don't remember in any case, one joy.
Oh that's right. What you're going to see, uh is
these air taxis will be around. And the problem is
right now, as I've said, finding the secure landing sites

(15:37):
because uh, there's going to be a lot of traffic.
I mean, can you imagine you basically, let's say you're
building and it's going to be a helipad where hundreds
of people, maybe thousands of people are going to be
flying around, and that is the airport the center of
these places, and it's going to be an urban centers.
I mean, you're not going to see outlying area. It's
not going to be lax out by the ocean. And

(15:58):
you're not going to see Paul Dale out by Palmdale
or John Wayne, which is its own place. No, you're
going to see him right in the middle of the city.
So what's the big company. There's one big company that's
out there looking for these spaces right now, and this
is they're looking at the Greater La Area, San Francisco,
New York City, and by the end of the year

(16:20):
they're going to start securing these places. Huh, all right,
so much for that it's gonna be fine. We're going
to see the Jetsons all over again. Now, let me
tell you what's going on. Saudi Arabia is getting into
the sports business in a huge way in terms of
Formula One racing and the the golf tournament's now gone

(16:46):
against up against the PGA, and I think they've merged,
if I'm not mistaken at this point, Well, they're moving
in a different direction. Now. It's comedy and it is
now the Rhea Comedy Festival. It's inaugural and it runs
started twenty sixth September and it goes until the ninth
of October, so it's right in the middle of it.

(17:08):
And it features well some of the biggest names in
US comedy Dave Chappelle, Lewis c K, Bill Burke, Kevin Hart,
Whitney Cummings, Pete Davidson, Asiz I'm sorry, I mean he
goes on and on and on. And what makes it
interesting on this one is, first of all, the amount
of money. Saudi Arabia has unlimited amount of money. And

(17:30):
with the golfers, how dare you members of the PGA,
They were threatened to be tossed out of the PGA
and they said, you know what, We'll take our eight
million dollars in play a game of golf if that's okay,
And enough of them want to where riadd Saudi Arabia one, Well,
it seems to be the same thing going on. But
here's the difference. You've got comedians who are fanatical First

(17:54):
Amendment people, and you have a country that shuts down
First Amendment rights, probably as much or more so than
almost any country in the world. You don't speak against
the government, you don't speak against the royal family. You
just don't do that. And so they're getting a lot
of hits, these comedians, and some have said no, thank you,

(18:17):
some have said thank you, and still rip into Saudi Arabia,
continue going, and they've been taking off the schedule to
say the least. They're no longer on the card. But
Human Rights Watch argued in news release that the Saudi
regime is really trying to whitewash its notorious abuses. That's

(18:39):
what this is about. It's just not getting into a
new franchise taking over sports. No, this is a way
for them to sort of, as Human Rights Watch says,
whitewash their problems. For example, the murder of Kashogi, who
is the journalist, the fact that women are not treated
very well as if at they certainly don't vote, they

(19:01):
can't drive. So what are the Comedeans saying? Well, it
breaks down into, as I said, three different camps. Those
who say don't want any part of it, those who say, okay,
we'll have part of it and still don't stop their acts,
and we'll attack Saudi Arabia and those who are in
it just for the money and say there's just enough

(19:23):
money here where we're not going to say no. All right,
so they killed Kashogi. Everybody's entitled to a mistake. Okay,
women shouldn't drive, Well, women shouldn't drive. You ever been
on the streets of the United States? You don't want
women drivers? Are those that thing as really first Amendment?

(19:43):
And it's just a question of money. I don't know
if I would do it, you know, Neil, I mean,
would you for enough money, would you hang up your morals?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Well, I get paid to do this show.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, I understand. But let's see, let's say they asked you.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I would think I wouldn't unless I could genuinely articulate
why why it was beneficial beyond the money.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
But okay, then you okay, then you wouldn't do it? Uh? So, Amy,
would you change your broadcast? And let's say the corporation
wanted you to broadcast something that you knew was not
true or against your basic philosophy? Would you take the money.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Against Well, I'm a newsperson, so I don't take a no.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
But I understand you know, But I'm just saying, would
you you're objective about the news. What if the corporation
didn't want you to be objective?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I would have a I would have a real problem
with that.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I would do it for five cents, all right? That is.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
That's the whole point. You wanted to set a moral.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Ground with Amy and me so that you can go
You're all, You're all, uh, You're going to get a
flotilla and go to uh Gaza, Right?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, I am I. And one of the things that
I've said this about iHeart which and before I heart
it was Cox that owned our station, is that never
once I have I or any of us been told
what to say and what not to say in terms
of content.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Now, now you and I have both turned down money
for products or things that we don't use, or wouldn't
use that's the same.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, those days are gone. We're it's it's a whole
new world now. Yes, I use those tampons on a
regular basis, Yes, I yes, I think they're great.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
You know, some days I just don't feel fresh, Bill.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's very funny stuff where it is. And look at
the legacy of comedians Lenny Bruce, who out of Los Angeles,
he was Southern California. I mean the guy was, he
broke through. He he is the poster child First Amendment,
George Carlin in many ways, also Southern California. We really

(22:00):
have promulgated. We have created a lot of these extraordinary comedians.
Lenny Bruce would roll over in his grave right now now. Personally,
as I said, iHeart has never once said here's what
you should or should not talk about, or here's a
position you should take.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
They will tell me, Bill, you shouldn't say those words,
or you can't make fun of certain ethnic groups. And
I get that virtually every day. That's not such a
good idea, But in terms of content, never even to
the point where I call them up and say, would
you consider paying me more money if I absolutely went

(22:42):
the way you wanted me to do. I'm willing to
sell myself. I am willing tohore myself out, and this
corporation will not let it happen. Just wanted to point
that out. Okay, why don't we move over in a
different direction. There is a technological segment I want to

(23:04):
do with you up. This is in my wheelhouse. And
as you know, I was involved in reproduction, third party reproduction,
technological third party reproduction for many years. That was my
specialty as I practice law, and as you know that,
and let's talk about in vitual fertilization, in virtual fertilization,

(23:25):
of which helped create my children. Is pretty complicated stuff
and it goes back to well, the first IVF baby
ever born was nineteen seventy eight. I wrote my first
surrogacy contract in nineteen eighty. My first IVF baby born
of surrogacy was in the early eighties, so early days,

(23:46):
and we were just waiting for the technology. We knew
it was coming. Well, let me tell you where it's
gotten to. It's now become robotic and this is where
AI is kicking in again. We have no idea where
it's going, but I'll bitch you didn't know that the
system of which an egg embryo is created, that it

(24:09):
is implanted into a woman is about two hundred manual steps,
and it takes extraordinarily well trained embryologists who have these
eyes that you can see, I mean the eagle eyes,
because they're looking for these tiny little eggs and they're
looking for this sperm, looking at sperm which has to

(24:30):
be determined, whether the morphology is good, are they swimming
in the right direction, are they too many of them
spinning around, too many of them going back on themselves.
It's a lot of skill. Well, robotics has straightened all
of that out, and this is huge, huge news for
a bunch of different reasons. I don't know if you've

(24:51):
ever well, I'm sure a lot of a lot of us.
I can't tell you how many kids have been born
of IVF. I mean millions of children. Next time you
talk to anybody who've had twins, for example, fraternal twins, Hey,
what happened with your how your kids born IVF? I

(25:13):
know dozens of people who had had children. Of course,
you know through my practice I did. But this changes everything.
Right now, it's about a sixty percent success rate. When
I first started doing this, the success rate was under
five percent, three percent success rate. Now it is a

(25:36):
sixty percent success rate, which is far more than natural conception.
People don't have a sixty percent success rate when it
comes to natural conception. Natural conception means stooping. Let me
explain the technology of stooping. You you probably know what

(25:59):
it is.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Let me to explain it to you first.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, no, you don't have to, because I made my
living off this, and not in that sense, but in
another sense. So up to this point, even with the
technology of IVF, it has been for the most part,
a manual process, and that's on several different levels. By
the way, when we're talking about a manual process, this

(26:22):
takes away all of that. Well, certain stuff is still around,
you know, there's the National Fluffer Corporation that helps out,
and they have machinery, certain gizmos that help, but it's
not the same here. The point is that the success
rate where it's going to fall. Where success rate is

(26:45):
not going to be as continue to be. To the
point if it's unsuccessful is the implantation. They haven't figured
that out yet. You take an embryo and it has
to be implanted into the uterus, the uterine wall and
that they haven't gotten around yet everything else they have,

(27:05):
technology has been able to take over and it's getting
more and more. Now a cycle of IVF can cost
up to thirty thousand dollars and couples do it more
than once. Now the thirty thousand dollars involves egg retrieval,
egg freezing. Also the IVF part the embryologist, so that's

(27:26):
the whole package and you can do it for less.
But at this point, this is where technology is going
to be brought to the forefront and made so much cheaper,
and you're going to see an entire group of people
basically been put that are taken out of the workforce.

(27:47):
Ask someone with who used to be a laboratory technologist.
You know those were licensed at one point lab techs.
My mother was a lab tech which came to the
United States. And what she would do in order to
count bacteria, for example, count the bacteria in that when

(28:09):
someone is sick. She worked in a TB hospital which
is all of you medical center. She would look under
a microscope and she would in these grids literally count
the cells with a clicker. Well, all those jobs are
gone because machines were developed very early on that all

(28:31):
of that analysis is done with one slide with a
drop of blood, and they can do three hundred tests.
You won't see a lab tech, a licensed lab tech anymore.
I think you may have to have one in a lab.
I don't even know if that's the case. But you're
going to see the same thing with embryologists. You're going
to see the same thing with dealing with IVF, which

(28:53):
means it's going to be cheaper, far cheaper, and on
top of that, it's going to be more effective. And
why is that? Because robotics. When robotics come into play,
everything becomes cheaper. Life is changing and a lot of
people are being put out of work. I mean, i'll
tell you what else is. And we've talked about this before.

(29:14):
Entry level computer people are going to be gone. You
can't get a job as an entry level computer. You
go to school, there you are with your skill set.
You're looking at a basically a trainee entry level starting
in a major corporation Amazon, Google, there are no jobs.
AI has taken over the whole thing. I mean, we're

(29:35):
in some big, big, big changes as a matter of fact.
And are we putting together the show that we're going
to do the segment that we're going to do with
me and Ai chat GPT. We're going to do that
next week, right, Yeah, let's do that because we've been
talking about that this week. So I want a news

(29:57):
segment of Amy's using chat GPT where we're gonna hear Amy,
who's not going to be there. I want maybe a
food segment from Neil and maybe from me. We'll do
some kind of general topic. We'll talk about this. You
sound drunk right now. Hey, Hey, hey guys, Hey guys.
You know I'm just thinking it through. I'm thinking it through.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
And you dressed up like a show girl.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, stop it, stop it. I'm gonna get through. I'm
putting We did this with Amy and Will. We did
it once, and I'm we did do it and it
was months ago. And my argument why I want to
do it again is to see how far Oh yeah,
I was horrible the first time, but I want to
see how far Ai has taken us, even in the

(30:43):
last several months, because this thing is advancing by the day,
and that's what I want to do.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
And maybe about us talking about car chases.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh, we could do that. We could do a car
Chase an AI car Chase with Tim, Tim Conway with
an AI Hey, Tim cuss, Yes, let's do see. This
is why I'm sounding drunk, because we're putting together segments
for those of you out in radio land that are
listening to this. This is what we do to put
together this show.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I wonder if Dean Sharp needs a second banana, I'll
go laugh on his show.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Why not? Why don't we come back? And Neil, why
don't you join me with Foody Friday? And I'm trying
not to sound drunk real Me or ai Me AIU
because AIU is far more entertaining and more funny and
has more of a depth of knowledge that you don't have.
We'll be back with that. This is kf I Am

(31:39):
six forty. You've been listening to the Bill Handle Show.
Catch my show Monday through Friday, six am to nine am,
and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.

The Bill Handel Show News

Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know
Cardiac Cowboys

Cardiac Cowboys

The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.