April 3, 2025 • 26 mins
(April 03, 2025)
Neil Saavedra is in for Bill while he is out on vacation. Host of ‘How to Money’ Joel Larsgaard joins the show to discuss widespread tariffs and their impacts, job switching, and Americans loving cheap stuff. Everyone wants to raise chickens, but egg-layers can be bad neighbors. Why you should work like it's the 90's.
Neil Saavedra is in for Bill while he is out on vacation. Host of ‘How to Money’ Joel Larsgaard joins the show to discuss widespread tariffs and their impacts, job switching, and Americans loving cheap stuff. Everyone wants to raise chickens, but egg-layers can be bad neighbors. Why you should work like it's the 90's.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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iHeartRadio app. Good Thursday Morning to you, Neil svagor behind
the mic. Bill will join us again on Monday and
we will be one big, happy family again. You know,
when one of us has gone, all of us is gone.
That's how we feel in the morning show. Let's did
(00:28):
that sound real?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I was I projecting that I was really sad because
we have been partying while that bastard has been gone.
Ge whiz, it's so nice, you know, you pronounce things properly.
No one goes what's your name again? Let's bring our
buddy Joel lars Guard to the table if that is
(00:50):
his real name, Host of How to Money, Sunday twelve
pm to two pm.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Great show. If you haven't heard it, you can also
find him how to Money. Joel? Oh, Joel, how are you, sir?
I'm well, Neil, how are you? Man? Great? What's what's
the beer you're drinking these days? Anything happy or fruity?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Typically? I mean I'll drink it all equal opportunity drinker.
I like that fruity.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That's those are both opposite ends of the no I know.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I like, I want, and then something with a little
I don't know, peach good for you? Is there is there?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Because so for those of you who don't know Joel,
who has what seventeen kids, he's only spent and he's
like twenty two, but he spends his extra folding money
on good beers. That's his splurge. So I always like
to check in on him with that. Is there a
brand that you're really into? A small brewery?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Let me let me tell you an underrated brewery not
I mean a little a little drive for you but
not too too far. Casa Agriya in Oxnard, California. Oh yeah, yeah, incredible.
That's one of my that's one of my favorite breweries.
And they run the gamut. They make some of the
some some great fruity beers, some great hoppy beers, some
great stouts too. So I'm yeah, that's that's one of
(02:11):
my favorite breweries around.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Good to know.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Thanks for the hot tip. I will shut that out.
It's a stones throw away from where I grew up,
so I know the era.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, all right, so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, what are we looking at and how's
this gonna impact my midnight shopping spree on Timu and
Ali Express?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, Well, I mean how this is
going to shake out and how severe the impact is
going to be. It is kind of what everyone is
trying to figure out right now. And we got at
least a little more clarity because there had been like
the looming threat of liberation Day coming our way. Uh,
And what's really going to happen is we're going to
be liberated from our money and from low prices because
(02:55):
of these tariffs. And this has kind of been historically
understood in economics, like people across the political spectrum, whether
you're kind of more left leaning, right leaning, centrist, independent,
as an economist, like the idea that tariffs are attacks
on individuals, on consumers, because this is an import tax
and then it gets passed on through higher prices. It's
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going to impact all of us. And especially with how
widespread and significant these tariffs are, it will reduce the
purchasing power of the average American family. And I think
what the Trump administration is hoping or is saying, is, well,
this is going to bring manufacturing back to the United States,
and so it's going to be worth the pain, the
higher prices, because it's going to mean more jobs, it's
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going to mean more factories, it's going to mean more
production here. And I just don't know that that's a
great goal to have, and I don't know that it's
going to happen the way the president thinks it's going to.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, that is the million dollar question. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I am not a huge fan of Trump or anything
like that. I am a rationalist. I try and look everything.
I remove the d's, I remove the rs, and I
try and look at things. And I know that if
you walk in in the middle of an operation, it's blood,
guts and nothing looks good. You have to kind of
(04:13):
wait for everything to be sewn up. So I don't
know where to land yet because we're seventy four days
in or whatever it is, and it just looks like
utter chaos everywhere. My hope is it's with the goal,
like you said, to bring jobs back, to bring manufacturing back,
and to do what we do as individuals, and that
is to get the best bang for our buck and
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not be abused. And if the country is being abused
and paying more than its fair share, I would hope
someone would look out for us how that ends up.
I don't think we have the fortitude for it really
as the American people. You know what, Joel, we are
no longer Americans, we're Americans. Well, I feel like we're
(05:00):
looking for reasons to not build ourselves up sometimes and
it's like, because it's gonna suck, But we buy a
lot of crap. You save this all the time on
the show. We buy a lot of crap that we
don't need. Well, that is true, maybe we stop buying crap.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But I also I also think and the Treasury Secretary,
I believe, was the one who said something like, well,
the American dream isn't just about buying more stuff, And
I get where what he's getting at, But then.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I don't fully agree.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think part of the American dream is like I
think about the bike that the e bike that I
ride around on with my kids.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's part of my American dream.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And that's an item that I purchase, right, And I
get that, like we all own too much stuff, and
that's something that I talk about regularly. But yeah, I
do think that that cheap things are part It does
lead to at least some of us able to choose
the way we want to live our lives, and I
do think that that widespread tariffs is going to reduce
(05:57):
the how much cheap stuff we're able to get. And again,
it's not about accumulating more and more, but it is
about access to goods that aren't incredibly expensive. And so
this I agree too, that the Trump arrangement syndrome or
whatever those people are.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, I certainly don't want to be like that either.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I do think that the best possible solution or
outcome here is if this is actually a bargaining chip
for countries who have had higher tariffs against goods that
we send. Yeah, But if the goal is to keep
tariffs around because tariffs ultimately are going to make us wealthier,
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I think that's a misunderstanding of economics. And if widespread
tariffs remain for months and years, then I do think
that we'll all feel the economic pain. And obviously the
stock market today is kind of reacting to the tariff
news not very well. They also believe that this is
going to lead to reduced choice for consumers, less wealth
(07:01):
and enhanced There was a study from the Yale Budget Lab.
They basically predicted that the average family is going to
lose something like three to four thousand dollars in purchasing
power if tariffs like this hang around, and I'd see
that as a this thing possibility.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, I you know, let's be honest, Joel.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
As much as we'd like stocks and all of that
and trading to be an intellectual exercise, it's not. It's
an emotional one, that's true. So I mean that really
in a time where the country is at its peak
emotional instability, so it's that's kind of a hard one.
All right, we'll be back with more of Joel Lowe's
(07:37):
Lars Guard. That's what I meant to say. I will
tell you this, Joel. I found this early on. You're
a younger guy than I am. They make these bikes
that you can pedal, so that might save you a
couple bucks, that's true, and they're very inexpensive.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So I'm down for both the e bikes and the
ones that you that you physically have to use.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So everything has to have an E in front of
it nowadays. Okay, E toilet, you're just E fridge. Let's
get a bike, Joel. All right, job switching. You know,
there was a wild Joel that we started hearing and
I think it was I think it was just after
the pandemic maybe where people were you know, hopping around
(08:20):
trying to find more lucrative jobs. They weren't necessarily doing
the you know, two year stint somewhere and then going.
They were just bouncing around, and that might not be
the best case financially these days.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing how for a hot minute
there you as an employee could kind of call the shots.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You had this insane.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Ability that rarely exists to kind of not dictate your
pay completely. But the job market was so out of
sorts post COVID, and that was because I think a
lot of people they took their their stimulus money and they.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Said, you know, I'm gonna work less or I'm not
going to work at all.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
For a little period of time, we just had a
little bit more financial flexibility, and so some folks took
themselves out of the job market and that just created
a really really tight job market that allowed for some
folks to just really make a lot more money by
moving down the street.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Typically, you know, you go to your annual pay raise.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And it's like you might get a cost of living
adjustment that goes it's in that two to three percent range,
although those have had to go up in recent years
too because of inflation. But yeah, people, it's amazing how
much more people were able to command by jumping down
down the street. I had so many listeners calling and
be like, I'm getting paid twenty thirty, fifty percent more
because I started applying for jobs elsewhere. And these employers
(09:40):
are so dang desperate that I feels like you're able
to pull off a heist. But that job market no
longer exists. It's fully gone at this point.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So where are we. Is it back in the hands
of the employer or are there just not jobs?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
No, No, I would say, yeah, it's more in the
hands of the employer. And I will say, with the
talking about Terris just a second ago, that is creating
more uncertainty about the future for some of these businesses.
And so some businesses are saying, listen, we're just on
a hiring freeze right now, or maybe their raises aren't
going up as much as they predicted they would give
(10:19):
to their workers. So I'm not saying that you can't
jump ship and get paid more elsewhere. That's certainly still possible.
It's just not like you know, shooting fish in a
barrel like it was in twenty twenty two and twenty
twenty three. So the post COVID job market is gone.
We're in a new era. We still have a low
overall unemployment rate, which is great. It's just that when
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you shoot your resume out there and you're trying to
find something new, the rate of pay that you can expect,
you know that maybe you're still thinking like it was.
It's a couple of years ago. You can't expect to
get some sort of significant rays And it's kind of
crazy to look at the line. The gap just closed
significantly between Hey, before when I jump ship, I was
(11:02):
able to make a lot more. Now, if I go
try to find a job elsewhere, the rate of pay
is essentially going to be equal to what I'm finding now.
And I think one thing that people need to think
about is the secondary benefits that are offered through an employer,
because those can make the big difference. So let's say
the rate of pay is the exact same. I'm going
to jump over here. I'm going to make seventy grand
(11:23):
I was making seventy grand before. Well, what O the
perks are there? Thrown in there, because that can make
a big difference, whether it's a bigger match to the
four oh one k, whether it's a more generous healthcare plan,
something like that. Think through those things because those matter
even more. I think in this kind of job environment.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I couldn't agree more those.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think a lot of people look past those and
they are not equal. And even the person you're working
for or with makes a difference. A new is worth
money to me.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, I mean you have to work with Kono, and
that I think can be really tough.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You got to get paid more to work, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Uh, sometimes it's a kick in the nuts, I'll be honest,
and sometimes she doesn't really pay off. So that's like
a fifty thousand dollars a year punch to the gut
for me. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Then you balance that out.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
With Amy, who's a doll and yeah, you kind of
work your way through it all.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Joel lars Guard heard Sundays noon to two pm how
to Money. You can also find him how to Money
Joel on social media. Thanks Joel, always good to talk
to you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Neil be Well my friend you know. Tomorrow, you know
what I'm gonna do. Kuddo, listen to this. They're gonna
blow your freaking mind. So people leave me talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know how to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You go to the iHeartRadio app and there's this like
a red icon with a little mic on it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yea, yeah, it gives you thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You push that gives you thirty seconds as long as
you do it during the show. Well, people do these
drive by opinions, which is great. I'm all for it,
but I can't answer. So tomorrow, you know what I'm doing.
Get this. This is like like Gary and Shannon creativity here.
Tomorrow I talk back to the talkbacks boom at eight thirty.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean, all these people going against you because Gary
and Shannon is like fans of them.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I listen to those a lot. They're Finney, but not
not always.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I mean they take stuff like people that will say, hey,
I disagree with you and stuff. But I'm going to
talk back to the talkbacks, right, That's how I'm branding it.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's just gonna bring on more talkbacks. Yeah exactly. So
tomorrow at eight thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh No, It's like I feel like people took the
time to leave a message and say hey this or
correct me or thinking they corrected me or whatever. I'll
give them a shot that will air them and then
I'll I'll respond. It's not like an ask me anything
or anything. No, it's only fair though, it's just different.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's only fair.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So we'll do that tomorrow at just about this time,
all right, So you will learn in life that not everybody,
not every neighbor is going to be Dean Sharp. You know,
Dean Sharp takes care of his business and he has chickens.
(14:14):
He raises chickens. He and his wife, his lovely wife, Tina.
Have you seen their chicken coop. It's got a four
car garage. It's three stories, it's got an elevator, got
an elevator for the little chickens. And he's constantly they
are working out in that yard all the time. That's
(14:37):
a good neighbor. But you don't you know what you
don't want. You don't want somebody going, man, these these
egg prices are going up. Let's raised chickens and they
don't know what the hell they're doing. And this is
becoming an issue because it's popping up everywhere. People love
the little chickens, which is the best way to do it.
You purchase the little chick and then they grow up,
(14:59):
you know, to the big birds that poop breakfast, which
is you know, that's awesome. So they are constantly having
these battles going on throughout the country now and little
town halls and the like, going back and forth on
you know, who should be able to do this, what
(15:19):
is the process and procedures. You know, it's an animal,
for one, so there is some red tape. But a
lot of neighbors are going you know, across America this
has changed. You've got eleven million households with backyard chickens
in twenty twenty four. That's up from five point eight
million in twenty eighteen, so almost doubled there. And it
(15:42):
is you know, people are going nuts for these things,
and I'm all for it. We have neighbors that have chickens,
and I don't know what the rule is. I don't
know if you need a rooster, if you've got hens
laying eggs, but I know that our neighbor has a rooster,
and I've been that. You can guess how I know
our neighbor has a rooster. But I'm a live and
(16:04):
let live kind of guy. You know, if it's not horrible,
you gotta live with neighbors, and you gotta kind of
watch out for each other and take you know, I
know some personalities don't always blend, but you you know,
live and let live. Let people do their thing and
you do your thing, and you try not to step
(16:25):
on each other's crank and you'll be fine. But now,
you know, decade ago wasn't as big of a deal.
It was kind of part time farmers, urban hipsters and
the like doing these things. COVID nineteen hits the pandemic.
Pandemic hits. People are looking for things to do. They
go to gardening, they go to having hens. More recently,
you got these spike and egg prices. Americans looking for
(16:48):
their own poultry because again, poop's breakfast.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's a good pet to have. But there's a lot
to it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You've got the YELP, you know, the review site searches
for live chickens for sale and chicken coops. We're up
five hundred and fifty nine percent and seven hundred percent
respectively between February twenty twenty four and February twenty twenty five.
But it's not always what everybody thinks. It's not inexpected
(17:21):
inexpensive to do it correctly, You're not necessarily going to
be saving money.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's certainly not. At first.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You got to feed them, you got to clean the coopes,
you got to take care of everything, make sure that
they stay healthy, and they have to have a chicken run,
and you got to raise them to be old enough
to start laying eggs. Your first egg costs you about
fifteen hundred bucks. I don't know when it starts to
(17:48):
pan out and balance, but that's pretty pricey for that
first egg. So maybe think twice, look into it, do
the research. If you're going to be doing this, and
you know, be kind to your neighbors on them. We've
got neighbors with farms in their front yard. I think
that's cool people, you know, look it out and using
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what Earth gives us. But if you're gonna do it,
make sure that you go into it with eyes wide open,
knowing exactly the costs and what it's going to take
to take care of them, and don't make the stink
for your neighbors, because with chickens and chicken coops come
chicken poops.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I'm like a genius. Neil Savedra. Happy to be here
or Handle. We'll be back with.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Us on Monday and the gang will all be here
for the Bill Handle show per use just the way
it should be. But until then, happy to be with you.
Tomorrow we'll do Foody Friday and they'll also talk back
to the talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Pretty awesome name right, hasn't made that up? Bro?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That comes that stuff comes out of my head. Cono,
that's what it's like to be bright. I just I
know it freaks you out. You just sit there and
push buttons. Some of us are intelligent. Some of us
are intelligent. WHOA, Okay, I've started an uproar with our engineers.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's not good. So the nineties are coming back, and
not just in clothing and all of that stuff. Break
have you heard your show? Basically? Is your show? Well?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I know that I expect more from you.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Please as a fan of the Gary.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'm sorry, continue.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Was that work? You know what? I should apologize? You're
right that was garbage? Did I say? I said? Who
I am? And all that stuff? Don't it?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So the nineties are coming back, and what that means
is not just fashion music or that type of stuff.
It means that people are sick of being available all
the time. I always feel like, you know those it's
usually guys. It could be anyone, but usually guys that
just put everything into their job like it's it's what
defines them as a man. I don't understand that I've
(20:25):
worked a lot of jobs and I've loved genuinely every
single one of them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
If I didn't, I left.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I like to work, but the whole I'm being defined
by my job thing. Never you know, it's like being
defined by a particular relationship in your life or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You just.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They rent you, they rent your abilities, and you come
and you do it and hope hopefully it doesn't kill you.
But I also went through it a pre went through
work life, pre digital experience, so no social media, no smartphones.
(21:05):
Even email came in later, so I can remember the
exact day I connected my work email to a smartphone
and the beeps that were going off, and the bings
and the ding and the dung and you're getting an
email and you're getting and I damn near had a
(21:25):
panic attack because although work doesn't define me, I like
to be available. I want I like to be needed
and if somebody needs something, I want to be there
to take care of it, boss, supervisor, whatever it is.
I pride myself on being good at what I do
(21:46):
and those types of things. Right, so now people are
going back to that. People are saying, you know what,
I'm not going to watch the email all weekend. If
you need me, call me, pick up the phone and
call me. No no, no, no no, not singy sing time,
not singy sing time.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Thank you, Shannon. Like having a okay, feral cat in
here with me. Now, I've got that song in my head.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Oh good, oh my god, we should play it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
We play it?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
No, no, no, can we play it?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
No no, I love hijacking shows.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, I see you reaching for the steering wheel. I'm
putting your foot on the gas. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Fun times coming up. I'm still trying to finish getting
through this. Thank you, Shannon.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So fun, You're so fun. I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I can't wait for not literally everyone wants to hear
that song.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is why we need to go back to not
having smartphones.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So there are people now that are going to flip
phones and turning off internet their house and just like,
you know what I want that time. I remember when
you and it seems weird because we work in news
talk so there is no downtime, you know, Shannon, you
and Gary came from as reporters.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
There's no downtime. There's no downtime in baseball.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I've started this new thing on Sundays, not by uh,
not by scheduling it. Just I've noticed a couple Sundays
in a row I've done this, or I just leave
my phone and I go and I run errands, or
I go another room and I gett I get things done.
I'm happier, I'm calmer, I'm more grounded from just not
(23:38):
having it on me or in the same room.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's why Kendah will call me and he's like, you
never answer your phone anymore, and I go, I'm not
management anymore. It's not on me. I leave it places
and go where's my phone. I was never that way.
I was the type of guy you could always get
a hold of anytime. I'm not anymore because I am lovely.
It is fan freaking tact.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Chris Little used to tell us that, and this was
before the advent of smartphones, and he used to say
you have to always be reachable. You're like a surgeon.
And I used to say, well, then pay me like
a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's a good point. You want that kind of st.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right, if I need to be reachable all the time.
We used to have that mentality of like we should
not be reachable because we're not surgeons. And now we're like,
why aren't we reachable? Why can't I reach everyone all
the time. It's maddening.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
No, And I say that way. My wife leaves your
phone all over the place.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
She's got like three phones, and I know you find
this a curiosity, so she's picked well.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Bet my husband does too, though he's got he's got
a couple of phones, a couple of burners.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, I'm not good for you. For you, I get.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
It, I understand, listen. I am super self aware. It's
one part of my charm. I get it, honey. I
used to slap his ass on the way out. Yeah,
still bring it home. I pay a lot of money
for these sheets.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
The thread count on these things. True story. You seem
like somebody who likes you.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Know. It's like, like that's very big with me.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
My wife.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Jewelry doesn't give rats as doesn't want to be taken
out to dinners fancy stuff, doesn't want fancy clothes.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That is my favorite thing.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But she's like, she's like, we you know, we found
these sheets, and I found these sheets, and now I
have to track them down because they've changed manufacturers. And
and there are the sheets that she I.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Have these sheets as well. I actually went to go
pick up a new set of these sheets. And I
went to said store and I walked right in. I
made a bee line. I know, write where they are.
Sales girls says, do you need some help? I said, no,
I know, write what I want. Get out of my way.
I was like a heroin addict, going to get the goods,
going to get my favorite needle.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was like, just get out of my freaking way.
Take you straight to the register. Yeah, I know what
I want. Yeah, and they know I'm coming. It's a sickness.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, but I'm telling you there's nothing like it, right. Yeah,
it's the little things.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, it's a little Every morning, I say, don't worry sheets,
I'll be back this up.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I will be drooling on you once again in my
completely Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I can't buy AM six forty live everywhere on the
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the mic. Bill will join us again on Monday and
we will be one big, happy family again. You know,
when one of us has gone, all of us is gone.
That's how we feel in the morning show. Let's did
(00:28):
that sound real?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I was I projecting that I was really sad because
we have been partying while that bastard has been gone.
Ge whiz, it's so nice, you know, you pronounce things properly.
No one goes what's your name again? Let's bring our
buddy Joel lars Guard to the table if that is
(00:50):
his real name, Host of How to Money, Sunday twelve
pm to two pm.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Great show. If you haven't heard it, you can also
find him how to Money. Joel? Oh, Joel, how are you, sir?
I'm well, Neil, how are you? Man? Great? What's what's
the beer you're drinking these days? Anything happy or fruity?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Typically? I mean I'll drink it all equal opportunity drinker.
I like that fruity.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That's those are both opposite ends of the no I know.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I like, I want, and then something with a little
I don't know, peach good for you? Is there is there?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Because so for those of you who don't know Joel,
who has what seventeen kids, he's only spent and he's
like twenty two, but he spends his extra folding money
on good beers. That's his splurge. So I always like
to check in on him with that. Is there a
brand that you're really into? A small brewery?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Let me let me tell you an underrated brewery not
I mean a little a little drive for you but
not too too far. Casa Agriya in Oxnard, California. Oh yeah, yeah, incredible.
That's one of my that's one of my favorite breweries.
And they run the gamut. They make some of the
some some great fruity beers, some great hoppy beers, some
great stouts too. So I'm yeah, that's that's one of
(02:11):
my favorite breweries around.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Good to know.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Thanks for the hot tip. I will shut that out.
It's a stones throw away from where I grew up,
so I know the era.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, all right, so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, what are we looking at and how's
this gonna impact my midnight shopping spree on Timu and
Ali Express?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, Well, I mean how this is
going to shake out and how severe the impact is
going to be. It is kind of what everyone is
trying to figure out right now. And we got at
least a little more clarity because there had been like
the looming threat of liberation Day coming our way. Uh,
And what's really going to happen is we're going to
be liberated from our money and from low prices because
(02:55):
of these tariffs. And this has kind of been historically
understood in economics, like people across the political spectrum, whether
you're kind of more left leaning, right leaning, centrist, independent,
as an economist, like the idea that tariffs are attacks
on individuals, on consumers, because this is an import tax
and then it gets passed on through higher prices. It's
(03:17):
going to impact all of us. And especially with how
widespread and significant these tariffs are, it will reduce the
purchasing power of the average American family. And I think
what the Trump administration is hoping or is saying, is, well,
this is going to bring manufacturing back to the United States,
and so it's going to be worth the pain, the
higher prices, because it's going to mean more jobs, it's
(03:38):
going to mean more factories, it's going to mean more
production here. And I just don't know that that's a
great goal to have, and I don't know that it's
going to happen the way the president thinks it's going to.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, that is the million dollar question. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I am not a huge fan of Trump or anything
like that. I am a rationalist. I try and look everything.
I remove the d's, I remove the rs, and I
try and look at things. And I know that if
you walk in in the middle of an operation, it's blood,
guts and nothing looks good. You have to kind of
(04:13):
wait for everything to be sewn up. So I don't
know where to land yet because we're seventy four days
in or whatever it is, and it just looks like
utter chaos everywhere. My hope is it's with the goal,
like you said, to bring jobs back, to bring manufacturing back,
and to do what we do as individuals, and that
is to get the best bang for our buck and
(04:36):
not be abused. And if the country is being abused
and paying more than its fair share, I would hope
someone would look out for us how that ends up.
I don't think we have the fortitude for it really
as the American people. You know what, Joel, we are
no longer Americans, we're Americans. Well, I feel like we're
(05:00):
looking for reasons to not build ourselves up sometimes and
it's like, because it's gonna suck, But we buy a
lot of crap. You save this all the time on
the show. We buy a lot of crap that we
don't need. Well, that is true, maybe we stop buying crap.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But I also I also think and the Treasury Secretary,
I believe, was the one who said something like, well,
the American dream isn't just about buying more stuff, And
I get where what he's getting at, But then.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I don't fully agree.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think part of the American dream is like I
think about the bike that the e bike that I
ride around on with my kids.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's part of my American dream.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And that's an item that I purchase, right, And I
get that, like we all own too much stuff, and
that's something that I talk about regularly. But yeah, I
do think that that cheap things are part It does
lead to at least some of us able to choose
the way we want to live our lives, and I
do think that that widespread tariffs is going to reduce
(05:57):
the how much cheap stuff we're able to get. And again,
it's not about accumulating more and more, but it is
about access to goods that aren't incredibly expensive. And so
this I agree too, that the Trump arrangement syndrome or
whatever those people are.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, I certainly don't want to be like that either.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I do think that the best possible solution or
outcome here is if this is actually a bargaining chip
for countries who have had higher tariffs against goods that
we send. Yeah, But if the goal is to keep
tariffs around because tariffs ultimately are going to make us wealthier,
(06:41):
I think that's a misunderstanding of economics. And if widespread
tariffs remain for months and years, then I do think
that we'll all feel the economic pain. And obviously the
stock market today is kind of reacting to the tariff
news not very well. They also believe that this is
going to lead to reduced choice for consumers, less wealth
(07:01):
and enhanced There was a study from the Yale Budget Lab.
They basically predicted that the average family is going to
lose something like three to four thousand dollars in purchasing
power if tariffs like this hang around, and I'd see
that as a this thing possibility.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, I you know, let's be honest, Joel.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
As much as we'd like stocks and all of that
and trading to be an intellectual exercise, it's not. It's
an emotional one, that's true. So I mean that really
in a time where the country is at its peak
emotional instability, so it's that's kind of a hard one.
All right, we'll be back with more of Joel Lowe's
(07:37):
Lars Guard. That's what I meant to say. I will
tell you this, Joel. I found this early on. You're
a younger guy than I am. They make these bikes
that you can pedal, so that might save you a
couple bucks, that's true, and they're very inexpensive.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So I'm down for both the e bikes and the
ones that you that you physically have to use.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So everything has to have an E in front of
it nowadays. Okay, E toilet, you're just E fridge. Let's
get a bike, Joel. All right, job switching. You know,
there was a wild Joel that we started hearing and
I think it was I think it was just after
the pandemic maybe where people were you know, hopping around
(08:20):
trying to find more lucrative jobs. They weren't necessarily doing
the you know, two year stint somewhere and then going.
They were just bouncing around, and that might not be
the best case financially these days.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing how for a hot minute
there you as an employee could kind of call the shots.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You had this insane.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Ability that rarely exists to kind of not dictate your
pay completely. But the job market was so out of
sorts post COVID, and that was because I think a
lot of people they took their their stimulus money and they.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Said, you know, I'm gonna work less or I'm not
going to work at all.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
For a little period of time, we just had a
little bit more financial flexibility, and so some folks took
themselves out of the job market and that just created
a really really tight job market that allowed for some
folks to just really make a lot more money by
moving down the street.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Typically, you know, you go to your annual pay raise.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And it's like you might get a cost of living
adjustment that goes it's in that two to three percent range,
although those have had to go up in recent years
too because of inflation. But yeah, people, it's amazing how
much more people were able to command by jumping down
down the street. I had so many listeners calling and
be like, I'm getting paid twenty thirty, fifty percent more
because I started applying for jobs elsewhere. And these employers
(09:40):
are so dang desperate that I feels like you're able
to pull off a heist. But that job market no
longer exists. It's fully gone at this point.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So where are we. Is it back in the hands
of the employer or are there just not jobs?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
No, No, I would say, yeah, it's more in the
hands of the employer. And I will say, with the
talking about Terris just a second ago, that is creating
more uncertainty about the future for some of these businesses.
And so some businesses are saying, listen, we're just on
a hiring freeze right now, or maybe their raises aren't
going up as much as they predicted they would give
(10:19):
to their workers. So I'm not saying that you can't
jump ship and get paid more elsewhere. That's certainly still possible.
It's just not like you know, shooting fish in a
barrel like it was in twenty twenty two and twenty
twenty three. So the post COVID job market is gone.
We're in a new era. We still have a low
overall unemployment rate, which is great. It's just that when
(10:41):
you shoot your resume out there and you're trying to
find something new, the rate of pay that you can expect,
you know that maybe you're still thinking like it was.
It's a couple of years ago. You can't expect to
get some sort of significant rays And it's kind of
crazy to look at the line. The gap just closed
significantly between Hey, before when I jump ship, I was
(11:02):
able to make a lot more. Now, if I go
try to find a job elsewhere, the rate of pay
is essentially going to be equal to what I'm finding now.
And I think one thing that people need to think
about is the secondary benefits that are offered through an employer,
because those can make the big difference. So let's say
the rate of pay is the exact same. I'm going
to jump over here. I'm going to make seventy grand
(11:23):
I was making seventy grand before. Well, what O the
perks are there? Thrown in there, because that can make
a big difference, whether it's a bigger match to the
four oh one k, whether it's a more generous healthcare plan,
something like that. Think through those things because those matter
even more. I think in this kind of job environment.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I couldn't agree more those.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I think a lot of people look past those and
they are not equal. And even the person you're working
for or with makes a difference. A new is worth
money to me.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, I mean you have to work with Kono, and
that I think can be really tough.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You got to get paid more to work, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Uh, sometimes it's a kick in the nuts, I'll be honest,
and sometimes she doesn't really pay off. So that's like
a fifty thousand dollars a year punch to the gut
for me. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Then you balance that out.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
With Amy, who's a doll and yeah, you kind of
work your way through it all.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Joel lars Guard heard Sundays noon to two pm how
to Money. You can also find him how to Money
Joel on social media. Thanks Joel, always good to talk
to you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Neil be Well my friend you know. Tomorrow, you know
what I'm gonna do. Kuddo, listen to this. They're gonna
blow your freaking mind. So people leave me talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know how to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You go to the iHeartRadio app and there's this like
a red icon with a little mic on it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yea, yeah, it gives you thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You push that gives you thirty seconds as long as
you do it during the show. Well, people do these
drive by opinions, which is great. I'm all for it,
but I can't answer. So tomorrow, you know what I'm doing.
Get this. This is like like Gary and Shannon creativity here.
Tomorrow I talk back to the talkbacks boom at eight thirty.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean, all these people going against you because Gary
and Shannon is like fans of them.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I listen to those a lot. They're Finney, but not
not always.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I mean they take stuff like people that will say, hey,
I disagree with you and stuff. But I'm going to
talk back to the talkbacks, right, That's how I'm branding it.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's just gonna bring on more talkbacks. Yeah exactly. So
tomorrow at eight thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh No, It's like I feel like people took the
time to leave a message and say hey this or
correct me or thinking they corrected me or whatever. I'll
give them a shot that will air them and then
I'll I'll respond. It's not like an ask me anything
or anything. No, it's only fair though, it's just different.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's only fair.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So we'll do that tomorrow at just about this time,
all right, So you will learn in life that not everybody,
not every neighbor is going to be Dean Sharp. You know,
Dean Sharp takes care of his business and he has chickens.
(14:14):
He raises chickens. He and his wife, his lovely wife, Tina.
Have you seen their chicken coop. It's got a four
car garage. It's three stories, it's got an elevator, got
an elevator for the little chickens. And he's constantly they
are working out in that yard all the time. That's
(14:37):
a good neighbor. But you don't you know what you
don't want. You don't want somebody going, man, these these
egg prices are going up. Let's raised chickens and they
don't know what the hell they're doing. And this is
becoming an issue because it's popping up everywhere. People love
the little chickens, which is the best way to do it.
You purchase the little chick and then they grow up,
(14:59):
you know, to the big birds that poop breakfast, which
is you know, that's awesome. So they are constantly having
these battles going on throughout the country now and little
town halls and the like, going back and forth on
you know, who should be able to do this, what
(15:19):
is the process and procedures. You know, it's an animal,
for one, so there is some red tape. But a
lot of neighbors are going you know, across America this
has changed. You've got eleven million households with backyard chickens
in twenty twenty four. That's up from five point eight
million in twenty eighteen, so almost doubled there. And it
(15:42):
is you know, people are going nuts for these things,
and I'm all for it. We have neighbors that have chickens,
and I don't know what the rule is. I don't
know if you need a rooster, if you've got hens
laying eggs, but I know that our neighbor has a rooster,
and I've been that. You can guess how I know
our neighbor has a rooster. But I'm a live and
(16:04):
let live kind of guy. You know, if it's not horrible,
you gotta live with neighbors, and you gotta kind of
watch out for each other and take you know, I
know some personalities don't always blend, but you you know,
live and let live. Let people do their thing and
you do your thing, and you try not to step
(16:25):
on each other's crank and you'll be fine. But now,
you know, decade ago wasn't as big of a deal.
It was kind of part time farmers, urban hipsters and
the like doing these things. COVID nineteen hits the pandemic.
Pandemic hits. People are looking for things to do. They
go to gardening, they go to having hens. More recently,
you got these spike and egg prices. Americans looking for
(16:48):
their own poultry because again, poop's breakfast.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's a good pet to have. But there's a lot
to it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You've got the YELP, you know, the review site searches
for live chickens for sale and chicken coops. We're up
five hundred and fifty nine percent and seven hundred percent
respectively between February twenty twenty four and February twenty twenty five.
But it's not always what everybody thinks. It's not inexpected
(17:21):
inexpensive to do it correctly, You're not necessarily going to
be saving money.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's certainly not. At first.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You got to feed them, you got to clean the coopes,
you got to take care of everything, make sure that
they stay healthy, and they have to have a chicken run,
and you got to raise them to be old enough
to start laying eggs. Your first egg costs you about
fifteen hundred bucks. I don't know when it starts to
(17:48):
pan out and balance, but that's pretty pricey for that
first egg. So maybe think twice, look into it, do
the research. If you're going to be doing this, and
you know, be kind to your neighbors on them. We've
got neighbors with farms in their front yard. I think
that's cool people, you know, look it out and using
(18:11):
what Earth gives us. But if you're gonna do it,
make sure that you go into it with eyes wide open,
knowing exactly the costs and what it's going to take
to take care of them, and don't make the stink
for your neighbors, because with chickens and chicken coops come
chicken poops.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I'm like a genius. Neil Savedra. Happy to be here
or Handle. We'll be back with.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Us on Monday and the gang will all be here
for the Bill Handle show per use just the way
it should be. But until then, happy to be with you.
Tomorrow we'll do Foody Friday and they'll also talk back
to the talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Pretty awesome name right, hasn't made that up? Bro?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That comes that stuff comes out of my head. Cono,
that's what it's like to be bright. I just I
know it freaks you out. You just sit there and
push buttons. Some of us are intelligent. Some of us
are intelligent. WHOA, Okay, I've started an uproar with our engineers.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's not good. So the nineties are coming back, and
not just in clothing and all of that stuff. Break
have you heard your show? Basically? Is your show? Well?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I know that I expect more from you.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Please as a fan of the Gary.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'm sorry, continue.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Was that work? You know what? I should apologize? You're
right that was garbage? Did I say? I said? Who
I am? And all that stuff? Don't it?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So the nineties are coming back, and what that means
is not just fashion music or that type of stuff.
It means that people are sick of being available all
the time. I always feel like, you know those it's
usually guys. It could be anyone, but usually guys that
just put everything into their job like it's it's what
defines them as a man. I don't understand that I've
(20:25):
worked a lot of jobs and I've loved genuinely every
single one of them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
If I didn't, I left.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I like to work, but the whole I'm being defined
by my job thing. Never you know, it's like being
defined by a particular relationship in your life or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You just.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They rent you, they rent your abilities, and you come
and you do it and hope hopefully it doesn't kill you.
But I also went through it a pre went through
work life, pre digital experience, so no social media, no smartphones.
(21:05):
Even email came in later, so I can remember the
exact day I connected my work email to a smartphone
and the beeps that were going off, and the bings
and the ding and the dung and you're getting an
email and you're getting and I damn near had a
(21:25):
panic attack because although work doesn't define me, I like
to be available. I want I like to be needed
and if somebody needs something, I want to be there
to take care of it, boss, supervisor, whatever it is.
I pride myself on being good at what I do
(21:46):
and those types of things. Right, so now people are
going back to that. People are saying, you know what,
I'm not going to watch the email all weekend. If
you need me, call me, pick up the phone and
call me. No no, no, no no, not singy sing time,
not singy sing time.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Thank you, Shannon. Like having a okay, feral cat in
here with me. Now, I've got that song in my head.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Oh good, oh my god, we should play it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
We play it?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
No, no, no, can we play it?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
No no, I love hijacking shows.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, I see you reaching for the steering wheel. I'm
putting your foot on the gas. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Fun times coming up. I'm still trying to finish getting
through this. Thank you, Shannon.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So fun, You're so fun. I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I can't wait for not literally everyone wants to hear
that song.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is why we need to go back to not
having smartphones.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So there are people now that are going to flip
phones and turning off internet their house and just like,
you know what I want that time. I remember when
you and it seems weird because we work in news
talk so there is no downtime, you know, Shannon, you
and Gary came from as reporters.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
There's no downtime. There's no downtime in baseball.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I've started this new thing on Sundays, not by uh,
not by scheduling it. Just I've noticed a couple Sundays
in a row I've done this, or I just leave
my phone and I go and I run errands, or
I go another room and I gett I get things done.
I'm happier, I'm calmer, I'm more grounded from just not
(23:38):
having it on me or in the same room.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's why Kendah will call me and he's like, you
never answer your phone anymore, and I go, I'm not
management anymore. It's not on me. I leave it places
and go where's my phone. I was never that way.
I was the type of guy you could always get
a hold of anytime. I'm not anymore because I am lovely.
It is fan freaking tact.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Chris Little used to tell us that, and this was
before the advent of smartphones, and he used to say
you have to always be reachable. You're like a surgeon.
And I used to say, well, then pay me like
a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's a good point. You want that kind of st.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right, if I need to be reachable all the time.
We used to have that mentality of like we should
not be reachable because we're not surgeons. And now we're like,
why aren't we reachable? Why can't I reach everyone all
the time. It's maddening.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
No, And I say that way. My wife leaves your
phone all over the place.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
She's got like three phones, and I know you find
this a curiosity, so she's picked well.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Bet my husband does too, though he's got he's got
a couple of phones, a couple of burners.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, I'm not good for you. For you, I get.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
It, I understand, listen. I am super self aware. It's
one part of my charm. I get it, honey. I
used to slap his ass on the way out. Yeah,
still bring it home. I pay a lot of money
for these sheets.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
The thread count on these things. True story. You seem
like somebody who likes you.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Know. It's like, like that's very big with me.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
My wife.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Jewelry doesn't give rats as doesn't want to be taken
out to dinners fancy stuff, doesn't want fancy clothes.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That is my favorite thing.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But she's like, she's like, we you know, we found
these sheets, and I found these sheets, and now I
have to track them down because they've changed manufacturers. And
and there are the sheets that she I.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Have these sheets as well. I actually went to go
pick up a new set of these sheets. And I
went to said store and I walked right in. I
made a bee line. I know, write where they are.
Sales girls says, do you need some help? I said, no,
I know, write what I want. Get out of my way.
I was like a heroin addict, going to get the goods,
going to get my favorite needle.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I was like, just get out of my freaking way.
Take you straight to the register. Yeah, I know what
I want. Yeah, and they know I'm coming. It's a sickness.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, but I'm telling you there's nothing like it, right. Yeah,
it's the little things.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, it's a little Every morning, I say, don't worry sheets,
I'll be back this up.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I will be drooling on you once again in my
completely Yeah.
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