May 15, 2025 • 24 mins
(May 15, 2025)
Host of ‘How to Money’ Joel Larsgaard joins the show to talk about AI therapists, set-jetting not jet-setting is the new travel trend, and a standalone ESPN streaming app. The golden age of the fired chicken sandwich. Host of ‘Later with Mo Kelly’ joins the program to talk about Netflix bringing back Star Search.
Host of ‘How to Money’ Joel Larsgaard joins the show to talk about AI therapists, set-jetting not jet-setting is the new travel trend, and a standalone ESPN streaming app. The golden age of the fired chicken sandwich. Host of ‘Later with Mo Kelly’ joins the program to talk about Netflix bringing back Star Search.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Bill Handle Morning Crew. It is a Thursday morning, May fifteenth,
and real quickly Tomorrow is Ask Candle Anything at eight thirty,
where you record questions and I answer them all kinds
of personal fun stuff based out because we're always asked
what we're like. In the words, I asked, what's Neil like,
(00:26):
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So I thought i'd answer those questions that people ask
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(00:46):
be too lame, and you know, personal questions. I got
a couple of complaints about I'm not being completely honest.
There's a few things that I'm not gonna tell you.
I'm not gonna tell you how much money I make.
I'm not going to tell you where I live. I
will tell you how many times I've have an STD for.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So anyway, I'm your address, and how much money you make. Sorry,
since you won't tell them, can I tell them how
much money you make and where you live?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah? But you even you don't know? Okay, I do well, Okay.
Joel Arsgard talking about money a host of How To
Money Sunday's eleven to two pm at How to Money, Joel, Good.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Morning, Joel, morning, Bill. Don't be ashamed of your income,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm not. You know, here's the problem. Legitimately, here's the problem.
You take my income and either it is oh my god,
look how much money you make, or wow, that's all
you make relative to You've been on the air for
thirty one years and this you know, the lack of fame,
you know, the star, I mean all of that. So
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it's a lose lose no matter what I say.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah, I get it. I'd keep that private.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, if I'm willing to lie to the RRS, why
wouldn't I lie to you?
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Agreed?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh yeah, there you go, all right? Moving on, one
of the things that's been going on a lot is
taking this remote learning working and moving in into the
world of therapists. And then we go to another level
AI therapists. What the hell is that about? And boy,
(02:27):
that's I would think that'd be the last place I'd
want to go.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yeah, so it's a man there was.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I've just been fascinated by this because my wife literally
graduated this past weekend. She's now a fully fledged licensed therapist,
which is so exciting. And then I stumble across this
week this article about AI chatpot's doing therapy, and the
Harvard Business Review says, actually, the number one use case
for AI, it's not kids writing papers to try to
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get a good grade in class without really working at all.
It's actually companionship and therapy. So artificial intelligence to get
therapy via artificial intelligence is one of the number one
things that people are using it for these days, which
is kind of freaky. And when you dig into the
details about these artificial intelligence therapy sessions, they'll lie to you.
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They will tell you things that are completely not true.
If you ask the artificial intelligence about its credentials and
about its school background, it'll basically make stuff up and
be like, yeah, I've been in this field for ten
years and I got my degree from this and here's
my credentials, and it's all a lie. Because it's a
large language, it's a learning model it's not an actual
human being. So that's kind of freaky that the AI
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is at this point where not only are we trusting
it for our therapy, but then it's going to lie
to us about like what knowledge and credentials it has.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, I try I was going to try that.
But you know it asks questions, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Oh yeah, they asked you a question. Trying to have
a conversation with a real human that's not a real human, all.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Right, So yeah, I can just imagine myself. You know,
they am asking my questions, Bill, Are you guilty as hell?
Did God not gift you with certain endowments? And then
we go through the whole thing. I go, oh, here's
your answer. You're Jewish. By the way, do you know
that my therapist fired me?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
That that doesn't sound normal.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm telling you my therapist actually fired me because I
had been dealing with her and with all of my
screw ups and guilt, and she finally said, I can't
help you, Bill, I just can't help you. Just live
with it for the rest of your life.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Fired me.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, I don't know if it's ethical for my wife
to see you, but I was gonna say, man, if
you want, I can set you all up.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh that's great. Oh. Neil's wife is also in the
same field.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
She wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, not
for all the money in the world. And an AI
therapist would say, sorry, we've reached.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
The end of the internet.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Joel. Let me ask you about the AI therapist concept.
Have you talked to your wife about it and asked
her opinion?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I have, And so what she told me, and I
think she's spot on here is that the number one thing,
the reason that people change, maybe not you, Bill, but
the number one the people reason that people usually change
in therapy is because of a relationship with another human, right,
And so it's the empathy, it's the visual cues that
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you get in the therapy room or even on zoom,
which isn't quite as good but it can still be good.
You're getting those. It's all about the relationship that leads
to change, is what she told me. And so she's like,
I'm not saying that maybe this can't be some sort
of supplement or help for some people, but relying on
AI for therapy, at least kind of in the way
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it's currently constructed, it's actually could lead to some poor
outcomes because hey, you're not getting those non verbal cues.
These AI models are avoiding conflict, and it could actually
lead to what psychology today basically said are worsening mental
health risks. So I do think, yeah, if we're leaning
and it's kind of like remind it makes me think
of what Zuckerberg said last week about how, hey, we
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have a friendship crisis, but AI is going to solve that,
and I just think that that's a little psychotic, Like
I don't think that's true. And I think if you
think that, then you probably have some other problems going on,
because friendship there is something about interpersonal human connection that
matters deeply, and if we're relying on friendship or on
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AI for friendship or for therapy, I just think it's
not going to end well.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, aren't Isn't AI and the creation of these bots
mimicking real human interaction and it is so good that
people actually dive into it and actually start to have
or have a real quote connection that's in quotes with
what they perceive to be someone there, something or someone there.
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And it's not quite like some guy's relationship with the
Japanese blow up doll. I understand that is not really connected. Well,
but in terms of AI, you know, I've been hearing
that it gets as unfortunately it gets too real while
it's not real.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, No, I mean I think that's true, and I
think that's.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Where we're at kind of with this is where it's
carry good in some ways, and maybe you don't even
realize what you're missing by not having it in the
context of a real human relationship. And so it feels
like it's giving you what you need, but it's almost
like it's almost like going to McDonald's every day and
you're missing out. It's like, yeah, I guess I feel
kind of full after that meal, but you're missing out
on some essential vitamins and nutrients that you get from
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other food that you eat. And I think that's the
same with some of these AI. Guess where it's friendship
or therapy?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
All right, one real quick one because we're going to
take a break and come back and talk about set
jetting different than jet setting, and that is do you
pay for this AI therapy or is it just something
you can get like.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
A chat chat GPT. Yeah, so I think part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Some some have paid services, but there's kind of free
AI therapy too, and so I think that's part of
the appeal, is like, hey, this isn't going to cost
me a dime and real therapy it's pretty darn't So
I get why people are leaning into it. I guess
I'm just worried that, especially if it's lying to you,
that maybe the outcome is not going to be as
good as you hoped.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Fair enough, And Joel, I'm reading this and it talks
about jet set jetting, and at first I thought it
was jet setting and it was a sort of misspelled.
But that's not the case. So let's explain what that
is and why maybe it's not such a hot shot idea.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
So set jetting is basically going basing your travel on
where your favorite TV shows are filmed, and so literally,
you know the actors are on set and you're jet
setting to that set. So they call it set and jetting.
And this has like become even more popular, specifically because
of the TV show The White Lotus on Max or
HBO Max or who knows what day it is what
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they're calling themselves. But people are saying, hey, not only
do I just want to go to Thailand because that's
where the latest season was filmed. I want to go
to the four seasons where they actually shot the series,
and it's really expensive because everybody wants to go there.
We all know that supply and demand is like the
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basics of economics, and when everybody's got their eyes set
on the hot new location, it's going to be far
more expensive to travel there. So that is essentially going
in the opposite direction of my number one rule of
cheap travel. Don't go where everybody is trying to go
at the same time they're trying to go. So set
jetting is one of those things where it might be cool,
it might look good on Instagram, but it's going to
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cost you a heck of a lot more to travel
that way.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Now I'm going to give you two examples of exactly
what happened to me because I happen to be married
to a lady who is nuts about Game of Thrones,
absolutely crazy about it. So we go to Ireland and
we go to Ireland just north of Belfast for the
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sole purpose of going to the sets of Game of
Thrones and going to where they filmed Game of Thrones
various places. Oh yeah, you remember when she went in there,
and you know, Cholesterol was over there and was walking
down the street or King's King's Road. That was another
one that we were at, and it was it was
(10:14):
pretty crowded. You're right. And what they've done with Game
of Thrones, I'm just throwing this out at you, is
they you know, they had used and had rented this
huge warehouse that was not in use and built the
sets in there. They kept the sets and it's become
a massive tourist attraction. So there is a personal personal
involvement with that. I'm going, yeah, but that was fun.
(10:35):
I gotta tell you, sometimes it's worth it. And then
you remember the Love Boat. I know you weren't around
for a while, but the love it was probably before
your time, maybe not, but the Love Boat put princess
cruises on the map and people would go to princess
cruises just because of the TV show The Love Boat.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I mean, and this has happened throughout the years, like
the apparently, I think from what I read, the Sound
of Music kind of kicked it off and made Austria
kind of a sexy place to travel. I have a
buddy who's like obsessed with Lord of the Rings and
so he's gone to New Zealand multiple times to see
the Hobbit Village where they filmed, you know, those movies,
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and he gets really excited about it. And I think
there's one thing too, it's probably I get that more
people have gone to New Zealand, and New Zealand's a
pretty cool place to go anyway. It's got a lot
of natural beauty. But it's all about like when you
go and timing that travel. Just like saying, hey, I'm
going to go to Paris in July, Well, good luck.
I mean there's going to be so many people there.
The love is crazy be more expensive, the plane tickets
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are going to be more expensive. Shoulder prioritize shoulder season,
and maybe maybe think about other places in Europe you'd
be interested in going to. Maybe you can take a
train up to Paris for a day. But like when
we're talking about travel, if we're saying, if we're letting
the destination and the limited time period we have to
travel drive our decision, it's just going to cost more, all.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Right, real quickly, on one wor topic, ESPN is a
standalone streaming now and one of the reasons that I
got rid of direct TVs because you got ESPN, and
I didn't want to pay for it. I am not
a sports guy, so I'm glad that this is off
on its own. And you say it's pretty expensive. Frankly,
(12:13):
I don't care because I'm not into it. Does it
make my streaming service less money that is not carrying ESPN?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, same. I'm also not a big sports guy anymore.
I used to be, but I'm just stopped caring. But yeah,
thirty bucks a month for ESPN standalone is kind of crazy,
And you're right. I think when you look back to
the cable companies and the satellite companies and how much
they had to pay to get ESPN, Well, ESPN was
like the most expensive channel that they carried, and so
(12:40):
that drove up prices for everyone. Even if you didn't
like sports, you were paying for it. But now when
you look at hey, if you're a sports nut, it's
probably good that you can get ESPN by itself, But
thirty bucks is a lot, and you have to really
care about that. And the other thing is, with how
disparate the sports channels have become, there's a lot of
sports programming you're not getting when you have ESPN, and
so local baseball games you're probably not going to get those.
(13:03):
You might get the Sunday night baseball game, but that's
about it. And then when there's a lot of like
Pro football, you might not get be getting playoff games.
Think about they're putting a playoff game on Peacock one
on Amazon Prime. Thursday night is football on Amazon Prime.
So like you're going to have to have even if
you have ESPN, there's still a bunch of other streaming
channels you have to have. If you're the kind of
person who's a total sports nut and wants all of it.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, you can't unless yeah, you have to be a
complete sports nut now. But there are people dill it.
They're gonna do fine with it because there are people
out there, guys who will be out there and watch this,
some women, mainly guys. For me, I would pay thirty
dollars a month just for a channel that does documentaries
like Moishe and Schmooley do Brent's Delhi as a documentary.
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I would do that in a heartbeat. Okay, we're done.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I don't know that it would cost that much though, Bill,
you know, oh.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, if you have you ever been to a good deli? Yeah, yeah,
it's a twenty five dollars sandwich. Okay, we're done, Joel,
have a good one. We'll catch you Sunday twelve to
two pm right here on CAMPFI. Take care. Let's go
back to twenty nineteen and Neil, you'll join me on this.
And a matter of fact, we talked about this. Popeyes
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offered their fried chicken sandwich. Popeyes was a bone in.
You know, I love Popeyes chicken, nice and spicy, etc. Jay,
you've ordered chicken in his bone in it's pieces of
chicken or nuggets. Well, they offered a chicken sandwich. It
got to the point where the Washington Post declared twenty
nineteen the Year of the chicken sandwich because of Popeyes.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Do you remember how crazy it got?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
There were It was insane. It was like cabbage patch
dolls or beanie babies. It was insanity. They when they
sold out of sandwiches, which they did in about three minutes,
and put them on the menu permanently, sales went up
forty two. So chicken is now the thing. And here's
(14:57):
the stat that I really I think is just stunning.
More chicken sandwiches are being sold in hamburgers and fast
food places now, well, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's less expensive for one than a burger, at least
the vast majority of the time. And because it's a base,
it's almost a neutral protein that you could judge it
up any way you want. You could add different spices,
you can add sauces to it, and the simplicity of
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the what started with a chicken sandwich there Popeyes, which
was like a pickle and mayonnaise, and that type of
thing has now become something that even you know, chefs
want to get into, and they've brought them into higher
end restaurants or very chef forward restaurants and people love them.
It's something you can eat in the car. We often
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are on the move here in California and in America
across the board. But it's they what seemed like a
fat at first is just keep going. It's going and
growing and growing, and they keep topping each other with
new flavors, bases, heat, and people are loving it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I stir love mine. Matter of fact, I thought one
of the best things you could ever do for a
business is to have one of those trucks, literally a
fried chicken sandwich truck and park it outside of every
Chick fil A on Sundays, and you would make buckets
(16:34):
of money because Chick fil A, which has one of
the best sandwiches out there. I love their spicy chicken sandwich.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know, they're grown on me. I wasn't a big fan,
but my son likes them and they are growing on me.
I think just the closest one to me is not
that great.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I just happen to love them. And it's true when
you go and you see there is no fast food
establishment that I know of, other than in an out
burger that does not have a chicken sandwich of some
kind and maybe several different kinds.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh yeah, Burger King has multiple sandwiches, you know. They
and McDonald's back in twenty twenty one, I think they
went forward with a massive memo that went out and
said we need to have eight not only a chicken sandwich,
a fried chicken sandwich, but we have to have a
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superior fried chicken sandwich. And everybody's kind of been getting
on the bandwagon to try and find and have the
best chicken sandwich. Even Wingstop, which was known for chicken wings,
they also have a fried chicken sandwich and they're popping
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up everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Now, when you talk about chicken sandwiches, are you talking
about the quality of the chicken leg. With meat, it's easy,
you have different quality meat. It's all over the place.
The same thing go for with chicken.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, I mean there's better chicken and lesser chicken out there.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
But I think why this has become so popular is
because it doesn't really matter. You get a decent piece
of chicken and you throw you know, good spices on it,
and maybe a sauce and a good bun.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
You're in and I think it's different.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I think when you're having a patty a burger that
it's got to be better meat because it's really shining
on its own chicken. You dress it up, you do
what you want, make it snazzy, may get chefy or not,
make it simple, and we go nuts for it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
All right, thank you? And of course tomorrow we have
Foody Friday and we'll be doing that with Neil. That's
at eight o'clock. Mo Kelly, who has heard every day
seven to ten pm right here on KFI. Later with
Mo Kelly and he's at mister Mokelly and Mo. Before
we get into the Star Sar story really quickly. Last week,
(19:02):
we didn't have a chance to talk about Russ because
I know it opened last week. The uh, the Alec
Baldwood film. How's it doing?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Not very well?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm gonna pull it up real quick as far as
if it's even on the chart anymore.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Can't find it anywhere in the Tokay?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
All right? Does it just a bad movie? Or is
there a political back one? No?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Not many theaters, not many. Many people knew about it.
The trailer was out there, it wasn't highly publicized.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
All right. Now, let's talk about something that is kind
of neat and that is going back when Star Search started,
and this was a TV show that spawned I don't know,
American Idol and Britain's Got Talent, America's Got Talent, the
Italian version, you know, Got Talent. I thought that was
(19:53):
kind of funny, not bad. There h come on, Neil,
thank you. And it really was the pioneer of all
this and now it's coming back big time. Let's dive
into that for a moment.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, for those who don't remember, Star Search premiered in
nineteen eighty three and it was hosted by Ed McMahon
and also our senior host in a later iteration of it.
But you had some major stars who found the first
time on who were found on stage at Star Search.
I'm talking about Britney Spears, lee An Rhimes, Dave Chappelle, Beyonce,
Justin Timberlake, Martin Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I can go on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Now Netflix is going to bring it back in a
slightly different iteration, but it will be a live competition
twice a week, and they're already taking applications. The question
is whether it will still have the same appeal for
the reasons you laid out, Bill, because we do have
a world now, which is the scene American Idol of
the Voice or America's got talent? So I don't know
(20:52):
if they can farm as much original talent as these
other shows already have, And.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Is it gonna take something other than that? One of
the shows I know, Dancing with the Stars is sort
of a kind of a takeoff on that. But what's
the one where you have the singers dress up in
chicken costumes and you have to guess who it.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Is, oh the bass singer?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah? Yeah, that's about as stupid as they come. Hey,
the Gong Show, and that was one of my favorite
shows of this type. What came first, Gong Show or
the Star Search Show?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh gotta be Gong Show because Gong Show was late
nineteen seventies with Chuck Barriss if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right, and it was one of these talent shows that
were hilarious.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It was hilarious because it didn't take itself seriously. In
every show since has tried to take itself seriously. But
you know, getting back to Netflix, it's a very crowded
space now, but also something else to look at as
Netflix is delving more and more into the live television
production space. They've had live sporting events and now they're
(21:58):
doing live TV events, which should tell you that Netflix
is going to build out a fully live channel at
some point.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's gonna be kind of fun. I'm a big fan
of Netflix, even though they keep on raising their rates
over and over again. All right, mo tonight seven to
ten pm, every evening later with Moe Kelly and is
at mister mo Kelly. That's his social address. Moe will
catch you this evening.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Talk to you soon, Bill.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
All right, thank you? All right, that's our go to
guy when it comes to our entertainment stuff and Neil
Tomorrow is our go to guy when it comes to
foodie stuff because it's foody Friday, and Neil, I'm going
to pitch your show real quickly, and that is every Saturday,
two to five pm, the Fork Report. All Right, we're
kind of sort of done, which is kind of neat.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Amy, what's so neat about being done?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Because you don't have to talk to me. I don't
have to talk to you anymore. We're done until tomorrow.
That's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
That's great. That's not neat.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It is a great thing. So tomorrow morning, Amy and
will come aboard from five to six with wake up call.
Neil and I jump in there at six o'clock until
right about now when we all get together. Kono and
An obviously a big part of the show. And I
am taking phone calls for Handle on the Law off
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the air, and the number is eight seven seven five
two zero eleven fifty. Eight seven seven five two zero
eleven fifty, and I'll start that in just a few
minutes as we set up the phone system. That's eight
seven seven five to two zero eleven fifty. Next up
it is Gary and Shannon. Oh when this afternoon is
(23:41):
gonna be co built with a guest host, right, yes, correctly.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yes, the guy who won the auction for Pastathon.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Is he gonna pretend to be a Ken Shampeau.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
I don't know, we'll have to listen.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
He should have just limited with Ken Shampause.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Did you know Ke?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You and you and Ken a CPA.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Yeah, not sure what that has to do with anything,
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's well shows that he was way high qualified to
do this show.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Is why he's retired.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
We're still working. Yeah, that's that's a good point. Eight
seven seven, five two zero eleven fifty is a number.
I'll start in just a few moments, and we go
through them very very quickly, as you can imagine, because
there are no breaks. There's no weather, traffic, commercials, no
patients on my part, so we zip right through. Okay,
we're done. Catch in the Morning. This is kf I
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Bill Handle Morning Crew. It is a Thursday morning, May fifteenth,
and real quickly Tomorrow is Ask Candle Anything at eight thirty,
where you record questions and I answer them all kinds
of personal fun stuff based out because we're always asked
what we're like. In the words, I asked, what's Neil like,
(00:26):
what's Cole built like? Coble asks you know, what's Tim like?
So I thought i'd answer those questions that people ask
and it's just fun and humiliating. So here's what you
do is, during the course of the show, you go
to the iHeartRadio app, click onto KFI, click onto the
microphone in the upper right hand corner, and record your
question and it can well you don't want it to
(00:46):
be too lame, and you know, personal questions. I got
a couple of complaints about I'm not being completely honest.
There's a few things that I'm not gonna tell you.
I'm not gonna tell you how much money I make.
I'm not going to tell you where I live. I
will tell you how many times I've have an STD for.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So anyway, I'm your address, and how much money you make. Sorry,
since you won't tell them, can I tell them how
much money you make and where you live?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah? But you even you don't know? Okay, I do well, Okay.
Joel Arsgard talking about money a host of How To
Money Sunday's eleven to two pm at How to Money, Joel, Good.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Morning, Joel, morning, Bill. Don't be ashamed of your income,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm not. You know, here's the problem. Legitimately, here's the problem.
You take my income and either it is oh my god,
look how much money you make, or wow, that's all
you make relative to You've been on the air for
thirty one years and this you know, the lack of fame,
you know, the star, I mean all of that. So
(01:51):
it's a lose lose no matter what I say.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah, I get it. I'd keep that private.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, if I'm willing to lie to the RRS, why
wouldn't I lie to you?
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Agreed?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh yeah, there you go, all right? Moving on, one
of the things that's been going on a lot is
taking this remote learning working and moving in into the
world of therapists. And then we go to another level
AI therapists. What the hell is that about? And boy,
(02:27):
that's I would think that'd be the last place I'd
want to go.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yeah, so it's a man there was.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I've just been fascinated by this because my wife literally
graduated this past weekend. She's now a fully fledged licensed therapist,
which is so exciting. And then I stumble across this
week this article about AI chatpot's doing therapy, and the
Harvard Business Review says, actually, the number one use case
for AI, it's not kids writing papers to try to
(02:53):
get a good grade in class without really working at all.
It's actually companionship and therapy. So artificial intelligence to get
therapy via artificial intelligence is one of the number one
things that people are using it for these days, which
is kind of freaky. And when you dig into the
details about these artificial intelligence therapy sessions, they'll lie to you.
(03:17):
They will tell you things that are completely not true.
If you ask the artificial intelligence about its credentials and
about its school background, it'll basically make stuff up and
be like, yeah, I've been in this field for ten
years and I got my degree from this and here's
my credentials, and it's all a lie. Because it's a
large language, it's a learning model it's not an actual
human being. So that's kind of freaky that the AI
(03:39):
is at this point where not only are we trusting
it for our therapy, but then it's going to lie
to us about like what knowledge and credentials it has.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, I try I was going to try that.
But you know it asks questions, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Oh yeah, they asked you a question. Trying to have
a conversation with a real human that's not a real human, all.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Right, So yeah, I can just imagine myself. You know,
they am asking my questions, Bill, Are you guilty as hell?
Did God not gift you with certain endowments? And then
we go through the whole thing. I go, oh, here's
your answer. You're Jewish. By the way, do you know
that my therapist fired me?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
That that doesn't sound normal.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm telling you my therapist actually fired me because I
had been dealing with her and with all of my
screw ups and guilt, and she finally said, I can't
help you, Bill, I just can't help you. Just live
with it for the rest of your life.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Fired me.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, I don't know if it's ethical for my wife
to see you, but I was gonna say, man, if
you want, I can set you all up.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh that's great. Oh. Neil's wife is also in the
same field.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
She wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, not
for all the money in the world. And an AI
therapist would say, sorry, we've reached.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
The end of the internet.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Joel. Let me ask you about the AI therapist concept.
Have you talked to your wife about it and asked
her opinion?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I have, And so what she told me, and I
think she's spot on here is that the number one thing,
the reason that people change, maybe not you, Bill, but
the number one the people reason that people usually change
in therapy is because of a relationship with another human, right,
And so it's the empathy, it's the visual cues that
(05:20):
you get in the therapy room or even on zoom,
which isn't quite as good but it can still be good.
You're getting those. It's all about the relationship that leads
to change, is what she told me. And so she's like,
I'm not saying that maybe this can't be some sort
of supplement or help for some people, but relying on
AI for therapy, at least kind of in the way
(05:41):
it's currently constructed, it's actually could lead to some poor
outcomes because hey, you're not getting those non verbal cues.
These AI models are avoiding conflict, and it could actually
lead to what psychology today basically said are worsening mental
health risks. So I do think, yeah, if we're leaning
and it's kind of like remind it makes me think
of what Zuckerberg said last week about how, hey, we
(06:03):
have a friendship crisis, but AI is going to solve that,
and I just think that that's a little psychotic, Like
I don't think that's true. And I think if you
think that, then you probably have some other problems going on,
because friendship there is something about interpersonal human connection that
matters deeply, and if we're relying on friendship or on
(06:23):
AI for friendship or for therapy, I just think it's
not going to end well.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, aren't Isn't AI and the creation of these bots
mimicking real human interaction and it is so good that
people actually dive into it and actually start to have
or have a real quote connection that's in quotes with
what they perceive to be someone there, something or someone there.
(06:50):
And it's not quite like some guy's relationship with the
Japanese blow up doll. I understand that is not really connected. Well,
but in terms of AI, you know, I've been hearing
that it gets as unfortunately it gets too real while
it's not real.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, No, I mean I think that's true, and I
think that's.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Where we're at kind of with this is where it's
carry good in some ways, and maybe you don't even
realize what you're missing by not having it in the
context of a real human relationship. And so it feels
like it's giving you what you need, but it's almost
like it's almost like going to McDonald's every day and
you're missing out. It's like, yeah, I guess I feel
kind of full after that meal, but you're missing out
on some essential vitamins and nutrients that you get from
(07:30):
other food that you eat. And I think that's the
same with some of these AI. Guess where it's friendship
or therapy?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
All right, one real quick one because we're going to
take a break and come back and talk about set
jetting different than jet setting, and that is do you
pay for this AI therapy or is it just something
you can get like.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
A chat chat GPT. Yeah, so I think part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Some some have paid services, but there's kind of free
AI therapy too, and so I think that's part of
the appeal, is like, hey, this isn't going to cost
me a dime and real therapy it's pretty darn't So
I get why people are leaning into it. I guess
I'm just worried that, especially if it's lying to you,
that maybe the outcome is not going to be as
good as you hoped.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Fair enough, And Joel, I'm reading this and it talks
about jet set jetting, and at first I thought it
was jet setting and it was a sort of misspelled.
But that's not the case. So let's explain what that
is and why maybe it's not such a hot shot idea.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
So set jetting is basically going basing your travel on
where your favorite TV shows are filmed, and so literally,
you know the actors are on set and you're jet
setting to that set. So they call it set and jetting.
And this has like become even more popular, specifically because
of the TV show The White Lotus on Max or
HBO Max or who knows what day it is what
(08:47):
they're calling themselves. But people are saying, hey, not only
do I just want to go to Thailand because that's
where the latest season was filmed. I want to go
to the four seasons where they actually shot the series,
and it's really expensive because everybody wants to go there.
We all know that supply and demand is like the
(09:08):
basics of economics, and when everybody's got their eyes set
on the hot new location, it's going to be far
more expensive to travel there. So that is essentially going
in the opposite direction of my number one rule of
cheap travel. Don't go where everybody is trying to go
at the same time they're trying to go. So set
jetting is one of those things where it might be cool,
it might look good on Instagram, but it's going to
(09:29):
cost you a heck of a lot more to travel
that way.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Now I'm going to give you two examples of exactly
what happened to me because I happen to be married
to a lady who is nuts about Game of Thrones,
absolutely crazy about it. So we go to Ireland and
we go to Ireland just north of Belfast for the
(09:51):
sole purpose of going to the sets of Game of
Thrones and going to where they filmed Game of Thrones
various places. Oh yeah, you remember when she went in there,
and you know, Cholesterol was over there and was walking
down the street or King's King's Road. That was another
one that we were at, and it was it was
(10:14):
pretty crowded. You're right. And what they've done with Game
of Thrones, I'm just throwing this out at you, is
they you know, they had used and had rented this
huge warehouse that was not in use and built the
sets in there. They kept the sets and it's become
a massive tourist attraction. So there is a personal personal
involvement with that. I'm going, yeah, but that was fun.
(10:35):
I gotta tell you, sometimes it's worth it. And then
you remember the Love Boat. I know you weren't around
for a while, but the love it was probably before
your time, maybe not, but the Love Boat put princess
cruises on the map and people would go to princess
cruises just because of the TV show The Love Boat.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I mean, and this has happened throughout the years, like
the apparently, I think from what I read, the Sound
of Music kind of kicked it off and made Austria
kind of a sexy place to travel. I have a
buddy who's like obsessed with Lord of the Rings and
so he's gone to New Zealand multiple times to see
the Hobbit Village where they filmed, you know, those movies,
(11:14):
and he gets really excited about it. And I think
there's one thing too, it's probably I get that more
people have gone to New Zealand, and New Zealand's a
pretty cool place to go anyway. It's got a lot
of natural beauty. But it's all about like when you
go and timing that travel. Just like saying, hey, I'm
going to go to Paris in July, Well, good luck.
I mean there's going to be so many people there.
The love is crazy be more expensive, the plane tickets
(11:34):
are going to be more expensive. Shoulder prioritize shoulder season,
and maybe maybe think about other places in Europe you'd
be interested in going to. Maybe you can take a
train up to Paris for a day. But like when
we're talking about travel, if we're saying, if we're letting
the destination and the limited time period we have to
travel drive our decision, it's just going to cost more, all.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Right, real quickly, on one wor topic, ESPN is a
standalone streaming now and one of the reasons that I
got rid of direct TVs because you got ESPN, and
I didn't want to pay for it. I am not
a sports guy, so I'm glad that this is off
on its own. And you say it's pretty expensive. Frankly,
(12:13):
I don't care because I'm not into it. Does it
make my streaming service less money that is not carrying ESPN?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, same. I'm also not a big sports guy anymore.
I used to be, but I'm just stopped caring. But yeah,
thirty bucks a month for ESPN standalone is kind of crazy,
And you're right. I think when you look back to
the cable companies and the satellite companies and how much
they had to pay to get ESPN, Well, ESPN was
like the most expensive channel that they carried, and so
(12:40):
that drove up prices for everyone. Even if you didn't
like sports, you were paying for it. But now when
you look at hey, if you're a sports nut, it's
probably good that you can get ESPN by itself, But
thirty bucks is a lot, and you have to really
care about that. And the other thing is, with how
disparate the sports channels have become, there's a lot of
sports programming you're not getting when you have ESPN, and
so local baseball games you're probably not going to get those.
(13:03):
You might get the Sunday night baseball game, but that's
about it. And then when there's a lot of like
Pro football, you might not get be getting playoff games.
Think about they're putting a playoff game on Peacock one
on Amazon Prime. Thursday night is football on Amazon Prime.
So like you're going to have to have even if
you have ESPN, there's still a bunch of other streaming
channels you have to have. If you're the kind of
person who's a total sports nut and wants all of it.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, you can't unless yeah, you have to be a
complete sports nut now. But there are people dill it.
They're gonna do fine with it because there are people
out there, guys who will be out there and watch this,
some women, mainly guys. For me, I would pay thirty
dollars a month just for a channel that does documentaries
like Moishe and Schmooley do Brent's Delhi as a documentary.
(13:45):
I would do that in a heartbeat. Okay, we're done.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I don't know that it would cost that much though, Bill,
you know, oh.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, if you have you ever been to a good deli? Yeah, yeah,
it's a twenty five dollars sandwich. Okay, we're done, Joel,
have a good one. We'll catch you Sunday twelve to
two pm right here on CAMPFI. Take care. Let's go
back to twenty nineteen and Neil, you'll join me on this.
And a matter of fact, we talked about this. Popeyes
(14:13):
offered their fried chicken sandwich. Popeyes was a bone in.
You know, I love Popeyes chicken, nice and spicy, etc. Jay,
you've ordered chicken in his bone in it's pieces of
chicken or nuggets. Well, they offered a chicken sandwich. It
got to the point where the Washington Post declared twenty
nineteen the Year of the chicken sandwich because of Popeyes.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Do you remember how crazy it got?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
There were It was insane. It was like cabbage patch
dolls or beanie babies. It was insanity. They when they
sold out of sandwiches, which they did in about three minutes,
and put them on the menu permanently, sales went up
forty two. So chicken is now the thing. And here's
(14:57):
the stat that I really I think is just stunning.
More chicken sandwiches are being sold in hamburgers and fast
food places now, well, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's less expensive for one than a burger, at least
the vast majority of the time. And because it's a base,
it's almost a neutral protein that you could judge it
up any way you want. You could add different spices,
you can add sauces to it, and the simplicity of
(15:32):
the what started with a chicken sandwich there Popeyes, which
was like a pickle and mayonnaise, and that type of
thing has now become something that even you know, chefs
want to get into, and they've brought them into higher
end restaurants or very chef forward restaurants and people love them.
It's something you can eat in the car. We often
(15:53):
are on the move here in California and in America
across the board. But it's they what seemed like a
fat at first is just keep going. It's going and
growing and growing, and they keep topping each other with
new flavors, bases, heat, and people are loving it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I stir love mine. Matter of fact, I thought one
of the best things you could ever do for a
business is to have one of those trucks, literally a
fried chicken sandwich truck and park it outside of every
Chick fil A on Sundays, and you would make buckets
(16:34):
of money because Chick fil A, which has one of
the best sandwiches out there. I love their spicy chicken sandwich.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know, they're grown on me. I wasn't a big fan,
but my son likes them and they are growing on me.
I think just the closest one to me is not
that great.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I just happen to love them. And it's true when
you go and you see there is no fast food
establishment that I know of, other than in an out
burger that does not have a chicken sandwich of some
kind and maybe several different kinds.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh yeah, Burger King has multiple sandwiches, you know. They
and McDonald's back in twenty twenty one, I think they
went forward with a massive memo that went out and
said we need to have eight not only a chicken sandwich,
a fried chicken sandwich, but we have to have a
(17:27):
superior fried chicken sandwich. And everybody's kind of been getting
on the bandwagon to try and find and have the
best chicken sandwich. Even Wingstop, which was known for chicken wings,
they also have a fried chicken sandwich and they're popping
(17:48):
up everywhere.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Now, when you talk about chicken sandwiches, are you talking
about the quality of the chicken leg. With meat, it's easy,
you have different quality meat. It's all over the place.
The same thing go for with chicken.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, I mean there's better chicken and lesser chicken out there.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
But I think why this has become so popular is
because it doesn't really matter. You get a decent piece
of chicken and you throw you know, good spices on it,
and maybe a sauce and a good bun.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
You're in and I think it's different.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I think when you're having a patty a burger that
it's got to be better meat because it's really shining
on its own chicken. You dress it up, you do
what you want, make it snazzy, may get chefy or not,
make it simple, and we go nuts for it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
All right, thank you? And of course tomorrow we have
Foody Friday and we'll be doing that with Neil. That's
at eight o'clock. Mo Kelly, who has heard every day
seven to ten pm right here on KFI. Later with
Mo Kelly and he's at mister Mokelly and Mo. Before
we get into the Star Sar story really quickly. Last week,
(19:02):
we didn't have a chance to talk about Russ because
I know it opened last week. The uh, the Alec
Baldwood film. How's it doing?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Not very well?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm gonna pull it up real quick as far as
if it's even on the chart anymore.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Can't find it anywhere in the Tokay?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
All right? Does it just a bad movie? Or is
there a political back one? No?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Not many theaters, not many. Many people knew about it.
The trailer was out there, it wasn't highly publicized.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
All right. Now, let's talk about something that is kind
of neat and that is going back when Star Search started,
and this was a TV show that spawned I don't know,
American Idol and Britain's Got Talent, America's Got Talent, the
Italian version, you know, Got Talent. I thought that was
(19:53):
kind of funny, not bad. There h come on, Neil,
thank you. And it really was the pioneer of all
this and now it's coming back big time. Let's dive
into that for a moment.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, for those who don't remember, Star Search premiered in
nineteen eighty three and it was hosted by Ed McMahon
and also our senior host in a later iteration of it.
But you had some major stars who found the first
time on who were found on stage at Star Search.
I'm talking about Britney Spears, lee An Rhimes, Dave Chappelle, Beyonce,
Justin Timberlake, Martin Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I can go on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Now Netflix is going to bring it back in a
slightly different iteration, but it will be a live competition
twice a week, and they're already taking applications. The question
is whether it will still have the same appeal for
the reasons you laid out, Bill, because we do have
a world now, which is the scene American Idol of
the Voice or America's got talent? So I don't know
(20:52):
if they can farm as much original talent as these
other shows already have, And.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Is it gonna take something other than that? One of
the shows I know, Dancing with the Stars is sort
of a kind of a takeoff on that. But what's
the one where you have the singers dress up in
chicken costumes and you have to guess who it.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Is, oh the bass singer?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah? Yeah, that's about as stupid as they come. Hey,
the Gong Show, and that was one of my favorite
shows of this type. What came first, Gong Show or
the Star Search Show?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh gotta be Gong Show because Gong Show was late
nineteen seventies with Chuck Barriss if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right, and it was one of these talent shows that
were hilarious.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It was hilarious because it didn't take itself seriously. In
every show since has tried to take itself seriously. But
you know, getting back to Netflix, it's a very crowded
space now, but also something else to look at as
Netflix is delving more and more into the live television
production space. They've had live sporting events and now they're
(21:58):
doing live TV events, which should tell you that Netflix
is going to build out a fully live channel at
some point.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's gonna be kind of fun. I'm a big fan
of Netflix, even though they keep on raising their rates
over and over again. All right, mo tonight seven to
ten pm, every evening later with Moe Kelly and is
at mister mo Kelly. That's his social address. Moe will
catch you this evening.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Talk to you soon, Bill.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
All right, thank you? All right, that's our go to
guy when it comes to our entertainment stuff and Neil
Tomorrow is our go to guy when it comes to
foodie stuff because it's foody Friday, and Neil, I'm going
to pitch your show real quickly, and that is every Saturday,
two to five pm, the Fork Report. All Right, we're
kind of sort of done, which is kind of neat.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Amy, what's so neat about being done?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Because you don't have to talk to me. I don't
have to talk to you anymore. We're done until tomorrow.
That's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
That's great. That's not neat.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It is a great thing. So tomorrow morning, Amy and
will come aboard from five to six with wake up call.
Neil and I jump in there at six o'clock until
right about now when we all get together. Kono and
An obviously a big part of the show. And I
am taking phone calls for Handle on the Law off
(23:19):
the air, and the number is eight seven seven five
two zero eleven fifty. Eight seven seven five two zero
eleven fifty, and I'll start that in just a few
minutes as we set up the phone system. That's eight
seven seven five to two zero eleven fifty. Next up
it is Gary and Shannon. Oh when this afternoon is
(23:41):
gonna be co built with a guest host, right, yes, correctly.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yes, the guy who won the auction for Pastathon.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Is he gonna pretend to be a Ken Shampeau.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
I don't know, we'll have to listen.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
He should have just limited with Ken Shampause.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Did you know Ke?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You and you and Ken a CPA.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Yeah, not sure what that has to do with anything,
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's well shows that he was way high qualified to
do this show.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Is why he's retired.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
We're still working. Yeah, that's that's a good point. Eight
seven seven, five two zero eleven fifty is a number.
I'll start in just a few moments, and we go
through them very very quickly, as you can imagine, because
there are no breaks. There's no weather, traffic, commercials, no
patients on my part, so we zip right through. Okay,
we're done. Catch in the Morning. This is kf I
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