July 22, 2025 • 26 mins
(July 22,2025)
Israel condemned by 28 counties: Why Israel’s chaotic new food program in Gaza has turned so deadly? Coins? Cards? Apps? The hell that is paying vote parking in Los Angeles. ABC News tech reporter joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Mike talks about OpenAI’s new “agent,” and the first major federal crypto law pushing prices higher.
Israel condemned by 28 counties: Why Israel’s chaotic new food program in Gaza has turned so deadly? Coins? Cards? Apps? The hell that is paying vote parking in Los Angeles. ABC News tech reporter joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Mike talks about OpenAI’s new “agent,” and the first major federal crypto law pushing prices higher.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here. It is a
Taco Tuesday, July twenty two. Neil is not here, so
I shouldn't see Taco Tuesday because usually it's with Neil Savadra.
He is back next week, and today Amy came back
from her week, and I'm not out of here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Until September, so I'm here for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Let me tell you what's going on in the Middle East,
and it's obviously getting worse and worse for the Palestinians,
for the people that live in Gaza. You've had twenty
eight countries now that have condemned Israel, signing a letter
condemning the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing
(00:49):
of civilians. Those are quotes in Gaza and demanding an
immediate end Israel's war with Hamas and the shattered enclave
of God.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And it's I'm going to tell.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You Israel is very very much at fault here for
the treatment of the Palestinians. Starvation has kicked in straight out.
We've been hearing for months that Palestinians were on the
verge of starvation. Well now We have reported of reports
(01:24):
of people dying of starvation and videos of kids that
are so skinny they weigh twenty pounds, twenty five pounds,
you know, and they're five years old, they're eight years old.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And it is absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Civilians being brought to the hospitals and there are no
hospitals being brought in donkey carts and pickup trucks because
there are relatively few if any ambulance is left.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Israel is absolutely in.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The middle of a reign of terror in its fight
against Hamas started it. Hamas continues its philosophy of the
utter destruction of Israel and is willing to die for it,
and is willing to allow every Palestinian in the enclave
(02:15):
to die. To Hamas, it is more important to stay
in power than it is the very survival of its people.
For Israel, the threat of Hamas is so great as
to for especially for this government, the Natiyahu War government,
that it's willing to completely decimate, and if so, it
(02:38):
has to kill every person in Gaza, and both size
are intransigent. The problem is is Gaza is on its own.
Gaza has no infrastructure, Gaza has absolutely no ability to
manufacture the weaponry that Israel both manufactures and from other
(03:01):
countries in the world. Israel has one of the most
for formidable and modern and well trained military on the
planet against a ragtag group of these Hamas militants who
have rockets that are brought in, no military, no tanks,
they have pickup trucks basically with the machine guns in
(03:25):
the back, and they have IEDs that's what they have,
and some missiles that are being supplied by Iran, mainly Iran,
so there's no fight there. It is a systematic wiping
out of a people. In twenty eight countries have condemned Israel,
and if it were not for Hamas, Israel would would
(03:48):
be a rogue pariah state much like North Korea. It's
three countries, four countries recognizing Israel as a nation, and
the rest of the world simply ignoring Israel as a
member of the community of the world community. As far
as the AID is concerned, Israel is saying it is
(04:10):
allowing aid. It is not allowing aid. The World Health Organization,
various charities who did render aid we're talking about humanitarian aid,
food medicine, have been stopped or refused to get involved.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Because Israel set.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Up its own humanitarian aid departments or where they have force centers,
and people are being killed going for food. And we're
talking dozens of Palestinians. We're not talking about attacks on
Israeli forces. These are people that are moving forward and
trying to eat and are rioting to try to eat,
(04:47):
and Israel is saying they came too close to Israeli forces,
they were too much of a threat, and we first
fired in the air, and then we fired on these civilians.
No mention of a fire fight. It's all fighting civilians.
It's all shooting into crowds of people so desperate for
(05:09):
food that there are food riots and people being trampled
to death. As someone who is very pro Israeli, I
totally out and out agree with the detractors as say,
crimes against humanity are now being now being perpetrated by
Israel against the people in Gaza. Kamas has been devastated.
(05:32):
And here is why Israel can't say, and this is
obviously the pate rateer's way above me, why Israel can't say, Okay,
the war is over, let's have our hostages back, Let's
cut a deal for whatever Palestinian prisoners you want, and
not high level stuff, not the Yaha Jaha sinoars, but
(05:54):
low level prisoners.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Otherwise we're not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Will let humanitarian go in there, or it's going to
take a generation or two generations to build to build Gaza.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
If it ever is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
This is a country that relies almost one hundred percent
on humanitarian aid. And Israel could simply say, okay, and
you can babble all you want about the destruction of Israel,
and we're pulling out now. The next time you come
in and perpetrate one of those terrorist attacks, we will
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wipe out the rest of Gaza. We'll take all of
it out. And I think that would be a legitimate
end to the war. And then Hamas has to decide
what is more important staying in power, which it still
can do, because of course it is a complete has
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complete monopoly on power. It's an autocracy. You say anything
against Hamas in Gaza, you get killed. Let them stay
in power, Let the humanitarian aid go forward. It's going
to take them forever to build a rebuild infrastructured schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, homes, factories,
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and Israel just sits back and goes on its way,
pulls back its reserve. Because several hundred Israelis have been killed,
we don't talk about that, but that pales to the
fifty eight thousand Palestinians. Of course, Hamas doesn't differentiate between
militants and civilians. So the way they play it, and
very smartly too in terms of pr the way they
(07:40):
played is fifty eight thousand Palestinians have died, which is
probably the number that is legitimate.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Most of the world is looking at.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
No one believes what Israel is saying, but if a
third of them are militants, there's still enough there innocent
civilians who had been killed.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's what I would do. But then again, I'm not
king of the world. Am I? No chance paying for parking?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, of course you have.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
If you've parked in the city of Los Angeles and
other cities in southern California, you deal with that. Those
parking meters and those parking meters are a complete bear.
Not only is it a pain in the ass to
park with parking meters, but they make it super difficult.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
A couple of things.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
First of all, is it quarters or do you put
in a credit card, or are you in one of
those parking lots where you have to know which number
spot you're in and then go to back to the machine,
grab that parking sticker, and then you have to put
(08:59):
the sticker on your dashboard and guess how long you're
going to be there. That's the fun part, No idea,
how long you're going to be there? And so and
you get no money back. And here's the other thing,
And I didn't know this. Did you know that? Technically
you cannot use someone else's parking their time, not that
(09:25):
that's ever enforced, but you are responsible for your own
parking time. Although how do you buy your own parking
time when there's already parking time on the meter. Well
you get to figure that one out too. I don't
think that has ever ever been enforced. So it is
no fun paying for quarters who carries that many quarters
(09:47):
around with them, you know, other than strippers who work
at a very low low end strip joint, who you
can certainly pay for a parking meter with a credit card,
that or some kind of app or some combination of
all three. And the people study parking, and that's the
(10:08):
whole world. People do study parking because it's such a
big deal. I think you can get a PhD in parking,
or certainly get a part of your PhD specialty. And
what has happened is the modern parking experience has gotten
to be a disaster. So there are a few innovations
(10:30):
coming up. First of all, you do it all on
your app, and when your time is about to expire,
the app tells you your time is about to expire,
and you just add time to it. Oh, wouldn't that
be terrific? Well, they're moving in that direction. Parking apps
have been around for more than a decade and they
still don't do what they're supposed to do. And if
(10:53):
everybody has can you imagine this? Okay in the best
of all worlds, Because you have to pay for parking.
I understand parking meters sort of have to have them.
But you've got an app that tells you which parking
spot is available, drives you to it, or tells you
where it is. I love the idea of everybody on
(11:15):
the same app, so you have now you have a
fight going for that same parking spot. You ever been
to Costco where you have those samples? But I'm talking
about the good samples, not the crap that with the
drinks and the you know that kind of you know,
the what do you call the drinks that have vitamins
(11:38):
and crap at them. I'm talking about the great stuff,
the burritos, the fried chicken stuff, really good stuff. How
people fight for them, particularly the Korean ladies. Everybody is fighting. Well,
that's exactly what would happened with those apps, everybody going.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
For the same parking spot.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
God, I love the idea. And there there are some
companies that are out there. There's a company called park Smarter.
Park Mobile are offering innovations like alerting you when your
parking session is about to expire. By the way, easy
park it's an app operator. It's in Europe twenty countries,
(12:18):
more than thirty two hundred cities. We are so behind
the curve as a matter of fact, Mike manvil, a
professor of urban planning at UCLA who studies parking, says,
we're a bit behind the curve.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Really.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
The apps aren't new, but they haven't quite gotten sorted
out to the point where we're going to get some
sort of standardization.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Do they have meter maids anymore?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I haven't seen parking people come around with that piece
of chalk, you know, on the stick where they see
how long you've been parking.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
But I don't think that's the meter people.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think that's where you have two hour parking, where
you have twenty minute parking, and they come around. All right,
I'm done. Parking meters love him. You know, either you
hate him or you hate him. That's all there is
to it. Okay, it is time for Tech Tuesday. Mike Dubuski,
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ABC News Technology reporter.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Good morning, I Mike, Good morning, Bill. How are you.
I'm go ahead, PEPSI or coke?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm a coke guy, I would say, I'm not a
huge soda guy though.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay, but the point is you're a coke guy, and
aren't we all?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes? All right, all right, let's get let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Open AI is releasing chat GPT agent.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
What does that mean? What does it do? And what
is it going to look like?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, so this kind of requires us to understand what
agent means. In the context of the AI space. An
agent is a type of artificial intelligence technology that can
take action on your behalf. In other words, it has
a degree of agents. So this is a technology that
you can ask to book you a flight or order
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your groceries on Instacart, or it can make you a
PowerPoint presentation for work, for example. And this is in
contrast to the type of AI technology that is popular now,
which is like a chatbot right it can answer you questions,
it can maybe write you out an itinerary, but it
can't go that extra step. Agents are things that do
go that extra step. They can accomplish tasks, they can
(14:28):
execute on requests, and that's where open Aiy's latest tool enters.
The picture. Chat gypt Agent is a setting within chat
ept that the company says can book you a trip
on Expedia, it can run code, it can create sort
of business slideshows and spreadsheets for you, and open ai
says this is a mixture of several existing technologies that
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they've been working on, including their deep research tool as
well as a tool called Operator, which is designed to
kind of click around websites and understand how to enter
things into text boxes and scroll through results and whatnot.
In that spirit, if you give chat GPT Agent a request,
it will actually pull up a little virtual computer and
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you can watch it go through your request as it
tries to figure out what to do. If you ask
it to compare the best kitchen tables on Amazon dot com,
you can see it type in Amazon dot com into
a browser, scroll through the kitchen table results, and then
kind of compile that into a list of results for
you oday. I CEO Sam Alton says that this represents
(15:33):
a new level of capability for AI, but he's also
warning about a lot of potential risks, saying that this
isn't really ready for high stakes use cases just yet
and probably shouldn't be given a ton of your personal right.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So with that being said, industries, I mean, everybody loves
the idea of booking a cruise and the chat GPT
does that. Now, how about taking over employment? My daughter
Pamela is entering a master's degree with a crypto security
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major because she's having a bear of a time getting
work with her skill set. Amazon just laid off a
zillion people. Other companies aren't hiring entry level because all
of the work is.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Being done by AI.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you see entire levels of industry being wiped out?
Because AI can do the thinking, and when you're talking
about agency can go forward and actually do the process itself.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That is certainly The concern with specifically a gentic AI
that we're talking about, right, that it can actually go
do the work of a person. Right, if we're using
the travel example, right, a travel agent would go do
that for you. But even in the sort of more
advanced sectors, right coding, for example, AI is pretty good
(16:56):
at coding. It can actually write and execute on code
effectively in many cases, and that does pose a huge
threat to a lot of sectors. However, I think it's
also worth mentioning that this is imperfect technology. Right. Many
people who have gotten access to the early version of
chat ept Agent have reported some strange unforced errors that
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this technology has made, inventing fake Amazon links, for example,
pushing back sort of janky, unprofessional looking PowerPoint slides. One
tech publication compared this to basically hiring a day one
in turn that you basically have to kind of lord
over or show a bunch of different things before you
ever really trusted to do anything. You can hook up
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your personal accounts to this machine and let it buy
plane tickets for you if you trusted to do that.
But the general consensus seems to be that this thing
is not quite ready for prime time yet, and you know,
there's a lot of speculation about where AI is going
to go in the future. But an old adage in
the tech world is that you shouldn't buy something with
the intention that it's going to get better in the future, right,
(18:02):
You should buy something with the capabilities that it has now.
The capabilities that it has now are pretty lacking, it seems.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And to your point, it's teaching a it's like teaching
an intern the basics, except you don't need the intern.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, the intern disappears.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, but an intern presumably gets better over time, right,
whereas this, you know that that's a big question mark.
There is reporting out there that open ai is struggling
to put together its next major model. GPT five, Google,
Anthropic and other others have run into similar challenges as well.
There's been a lot of reporting out there that we're
running out of things to train these models on, which
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kind of raises a question about what you do train
these models on once the entire corpus of the Internet
is exhausted. So there's some reason to think that this
is about as smart as generative AI is going to get,
at least for the immediate future. And again, it is
pretty lacking in that regard doesn't necessarily mean that people's
jobs aren't threatened, but it does mean that they are
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at threat by a pretty imperfect technology.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
All right, Mike, thank you, we'll talk again. Always good stuff,
of course, Bill, take care.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Something really interesting is happening with the AI business. There
is an AI powered chat box that just came out
called za Xaia, and what it does is supplement the
services of mental health therapists. So instead of going me
going to my therapist and being told I'm a loser,
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I can go to this AI mental health therapists would
do the same thing for me at all, much much
lower price.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And this is big stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Because za is just one of the many ways that
AI technology is going through the sector known.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
As digital health.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
As you can imagine AI technology, and in the world
of health, that technology moves at an unbelievable pace. And
the biggest sector of the health industry in terms of
where AI is going is mental health. It was the
top funded clinical area of all and you've got major
(20:20):
medical institutions jumping into this. UCLA is using AI help
doctors catch strokes faster, major medicine, reduce hospital readmissions, spend
more time with the patients by automating medical notes. Now,
in addition to kick Medicine, this is USC is offering
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employees a commercial AI chat tool to support stress management management.
Where the future really is here is as a therapist
and being supportive and much like you are talking to
and we've talked about this before, a versions of your
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best friends, and you actually connect with these people and
somehow they become much more than just a robot, much
more than just a computer program.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
They get real.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So you go onto ZEA if you're depressed and feel
horrible and they're dealing with sickness and don't know how
to cope, And it draws from hundreds of therapy transcripts,
real sessions, mock sessions created by experts. For example, you
tell Zea you're struggling with a new cancer diagnosis, and
the robot may say that must be very hard for you.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Then ask how it's affecting your mood?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What are you doing when you feel overwhelmed and trying
to stay positive when things are so heavy, Well, I
must take a lot of energy. When you notice yourself
being pulled back into those difficult thoughts, what usually happens next?
Do you find yourself withdrawing you turned anyone for support.
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Now they're spending billions and billions of dollars on this.
I'll tell you the genius who is going to make
more money than anybody else in the field of AI
and the robotic therapy session is the guy who bought
a fortune cookie factory and you open the fortune cookie
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and here you go, do you feel overwhelmed by your
medical diagnosis? Well, pull yourself back.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Obviously that's pretty simplistic stuff, and they do it pretty simplistically,
but also.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
It goes way beyond that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And they're saying that the therapists are getting well, I
think they're getting intruded on by AI. I always thought
that there were certain fields where artificial intelligence not touch
one of them being mental health, one of them being
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a therapy session. When you talk to your therapist and
talk about how you're feeling, and your therapist that deals
with that and asks the questions and gives you advice.
That would be the last place that AI would be
able to deal with. Guess what it's not. It's the
first place now that a lot of AI is dealing with.
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So let me ask you your opinion, Amy, let me
ask you real quickly, since I thought that therapy would
be one of the last when we were the last approaches
that AI would be involved with. Is our show in Jeopardy?
Could this show be done with AI? And I'll bet
(23:51):
you it could.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know, we were just talking about that this weekend
that you think about so much, that could be completely replaced.
But I don't know if talk show hosts could be.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think solely because look at this AI has Everything
that I have said over the last thirty one years
is somewhere because it's been recorded. It's somewhere someplace, and
AI can grab every word, every thought, every moment of
where I'm groping for words which I do constantly, every
tangential approach that I take to any topic, which happens constantly,
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and I can't stay on focus or I can't stay
on point. And then come back and didn't we do
something at that. Didn't we at some point come up
with an AI version of the show.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
No, we've come up with different things like job applications
and yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
See, let's see if we can come up. We need
a little bit of research because I'd love to know
first of all, Amy the news. Yeah, No, just to
ask them to do a bill handle show. Ask Ai
do a bill handle show. I know with Amy it's
easy because it's the news has happened. I know Amy's
out there. Amy doesn't scream runt. Amy's gone. Okay, she
(25:03):
won't be here next week, all right, we can replace
her in two seconds.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Will with traffic, that's a snap.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean tell me that traffic can't be replaced instantly
by AI.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So you're gone on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm assuming Kuno is fairly difficult, but I think it
can be done, and I think yours is more difficult. Really,
but to do I think so, and mine is hopeful,
if not impossible. I'll bet you we can put something together.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And AI go off on a tangent, Yes, spill his coffee.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
During his And I'll tell you why, because AI is
doing a version of this show.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And decating something that's already been done, well except it's Ai.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Except it it ties into what's happening in the news,
or ties in to you know, for example, Costco going
to moving over to Coke, knowing that I love Coke,
knowing how important Costco is to my life, and coming
up with some AI version.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I say we do it. Oh, another version of robotics.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I want to share with you and what happened a
couple of weeks ago that I want to share with you.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
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KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here. It is a
Taco Tuesday, July twenty two. Neil is not here, so
I shouldn't see Taco Tuesday because usually it's with Neil Savadra.
He is back next week, and today Amy came back
from her week, and I'm not out of here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Until September, so I'm here for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Let me tell you what's going on in the Middle East,
and it's obviously getting worse and worse for the Palestinians,
for the people that live in Gaza. You've had twenty
eight countries now that have condemned Israel, signing a letter
condemning the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing
(00:49):
of civilians. Those are quotes in Gaza and demanding an
immediate end Israel's war with Hamas and the shattered enclave
of God.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And it's I'm going to tell.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You Israel is very very much at fault here for
the treatment of the Palestinians. Starvation has kicked in straight out.
We've been hearing for months that Palestinians were on the
verge of starvation. Well now We have reported of reports
(01:24):
of people dying of starvation and videos of kids that
are so skinny they weigh twenty pounds, twenty five pounds,
you know, and they're five years old, they're eight years old.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And it is absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Civilians being brought to the hospitals and there are no
hospitals being brought in donkey carts and pickup trucks because
there are relatively few if any ambulance is left.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Israel is absolutely in.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The middle of a reign of terror in its fight
against Hamas started it. Hamas continues its philosophy of the
utter destruction of Israel and is willing to die for it,
and is willing to allow every Palestinian in the enclave
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to die. To Hamas, it is more important to stay
in power than it is the very survival of its people.
For Israel, the threat of Hamas is so great as
to for especially for this government, the Natiyahu War government,
that it's willing to completely decimate, and if so, it
(02:38):
has to kill every person in Gaza, and both size
are intransigent. The problem is is Gaza is on its own.
Gaza has no infrastructure, Gaza has absolutely no ability to
manufacture the weaponry that Israel both manufactures and from other
(03:01):
countries in the world. Israel has one of the most
for formidable and modern and well trained military on the
planet against a ragtag group of these Hamas militants who
have rockets that are brought in, no military, no tanks,
they have pickup trucks basically with the machine guns in
(03:25):
the back, and they have IEDs that's what they have,
and some missiles that are being supplied by Iran, mainly Iran,
so there's no fight there. It is a systematic wiping
out of a people. In twenty eight countries have condemned Israel,
and if it were not for Hamas, Israel would would
(03:48):
be a rogue pariah state much like North Korea. It's
three countries, four countries recognizing Israel as a nation, and
the rest of the world simply ignoring Israel as a
member of the community of the world community. As far
as the AID is concerned, Israel is saying it is
(04:10):
allowing aid. It is not allowing aid. The World Health Organization,
various charities who did render aid we're talking about humanitarian aid,
food medicine, have been stopped or refused to get involved.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Because Israel set.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Up its own humanitarian aid departments or where they have force centers,
and people are being killed going for food. And we're
talking dozens of Palestinians. We're not talking about attacks on
Israeli forces. These are people that are moving forward and
trying to eat and are rioting to try to eat,
(04:47):
and Israel is saying they came too close to Israeli forces,
they were too much of a threat, and we first
fired in the air, and then we fired on these civilians.
No mention of a fire fight. It's all fighting civilians.
It's all shooting into crowds of people so desperate for
(05:09):
food that there are food riots and people being trampled
to death. As someone who is very pro Israeli, I
totally out and out agree with the detractors as say,
crimes against humanity are now being now being perpetrated by
Israel against the people in Gaza. Kamas has been devastated.
(05:32):
And here is why Israel can't say, and this is
obviously the pate rateer's way above me, why Israel can't say, Okay,
the war is over, let's have our hostages back, Let's
cut a deal for whatever Palestinian prisoners you want, and
not high level stuff, not the Yaha Jaha sinoars, but
(05:54):
low level prisoners.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Otherwise we're not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Will let humanitarian go in there, or it's going to
take a generation or two generations to build to build Gaza.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
If it ever is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
This is a country that relies almost one hundred percent
on humanitarian aid. And Israel could simply say, okay, and
you can babble all you want about the destruction of Israel,
and we're pulling out now. The next time you come
in and perpetrate one of those terrorist attacks, we will
(06:29):
wipe out the rest of Gaza. We'll take all of
it out. And I think that would be a legitimate
end to the war. And then Hamas has to decide
what is more important staying in power, which it still
can do, because of course it is a complete has
(06:52):
complete monopoly on power. It's an autocracy. You say anything
against Hamas in Gaza, you get killed. Let them stay
in power, Let the humanitarian aid go forward. It's going
to take them forever to build a rebuild infrastructured schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, homes, factories,
(07:19):
and Israel just sits back and goes on its way,
pulls back its reserve. Because several hundred Israelis have been killed,
we don't talk about that, but that pales to the
fifty eight thousand Palestinians. Of course, Hamas doesn't differentiate between
militants and civilians. So the way they play it, and
very smartly too in terms of pr the way they
(07:40):
played is fifty eight thousand Palestinians have died, which is
probably the number that is legitimate.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Most of the world is looking at.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
No one believes what Israel is saying, but if a
third of them are militants, there's still enough there innocent
civilians who had been killed.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's what I would do. But then again, I'm not
king of the world. Am I? No chance paying for parking?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, of course you have.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
If you've parked in the city of Los Angeles and
other cities in southern California, you deal with that. Those
parking meters and those parking meters are a complete bear.
Not only is it a pain in the ass to
park with parking meters, but they make it super difficult.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
A couple of things.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
First of all, is it quarters or do you put
in a credit card, or are you in one of
those parking lots where you have to know which number
spot you're in and then go to back to the machine,
grab that parking sticker, and then you have to put
(08:59):
the sticker on your dashboard and guess how long you're
going to be there. That's the fun part, No idea,
how long you're going to be there? And so and
you get no money back. And here's the other thing,
And I didn't know this. Did you know that? Technically
you cannot use someone else's parking their time, not that
(09:25):
that's ever enforced, but you are responsible for your own
parking time. Although how do you buy your own parking
time when there's already parking time on the meter. Well
you get to figure that one out too. I don't
think that has ever ever been enforced. So it is
no fun paying for quarters who carries that many quarters
(09:47):
around with them, you know, other than strippers who work
at a very low low end strip joint, who you
can certainly pay for a parking meter with a credit card,
that or some kind of app or some combination of
all three. And the people study parking, and that's the
(10:08):
whole world. People do study parking because it's such a
big deal. I think you can get a PhD in parking,
or certainly get a part of your PhD specialty. And
what has happened is the modern parking experience has gotten
to be a disaster. So there are a few innovations
(10:30):
coming up. First of all, you do it all on
your app, and when your time is about to expire,
the app tells you your time is about to expire,
and you just add time to it. Oh, wouldn't that
be terrific? Well, they're moving in that direction. Parking apps
have been around for more than a decade and they
still don't do what they're supposed to do. And if
(10:53):
everybody has can you imagine this? Okay in the best
of all worlds, Because you have to pay for parking.
I understand parking meters sort of have to have them.
But you've got an app that tells you which parking
spot is available, drives you to it, or tells you
where it is. I love the idea of everybody on
(11:15):
the same app, so you have now you have a
fight going for that same parking spot. You ever been
to Costco where you have those samples? But I'm talking
about the good samples, not the crap that with the
drinks and the you know that kind of you know,
the what do you call the drinks that have vitamins
(11:38):
and crap at them. I'm talking about the great stuff,
the burritos, the fried chicken stuff, really good stuff. How
people fight for them, particularly the Korean ladies. Everybody is fighting. Well,
that's exactly what would happened with those apps, everybody going.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
For the same parking spot.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
God, I love the idea. And there there are some
companies that are out there. There's a company called park Smarter.
Park Mobile are offering innovations like alerting you when your
parking session is about to expire. By the way, easy
park it's an app operator. It's in Europe twenty countries,
(12:18):
more than thirty two hundred cities. We are so behind
the curve as a matter of fact, Mike manvil, a
professor of urban planning at UCLA who studies parking, says,
we're a bit behind the curve.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Really.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
The apps aren't new, but they haven't quite gotten sorted
out to the point where we're going to get some
sort of standardization.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Do they have meter maids anymore?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I haven't seen parking people come around with that piece
of chalk, you know, on the stick where they see
how long you've been parking.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
But I don't think that's the meter people.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think that's where you have two hour parking, where
you have twenty minute parking, and they come around. All right,
I'm done. Parking meters love him. You know, either you
hate him or you hate him. That's all there is
to it. Okay, it is time for Tech Tuesday. Mike Dubuski,
(13:13):
ABC News Technology reporter.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Good morning, I Mike, Good morning, Bill. How are you.
I'm go ahead, PEPSI or coke?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm a coke guy, I would say, I'm not a
huge soda guy though.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay, but the point is you're a coke guy, and
aren't we all?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes? All right, all right, let's get let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Open AI is releasing chat GPT agent.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
What does that mean? What does it do? And what
is it going to look like?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, so this kind of requires us to understand what
agent means. In the context of the AI space. An
agent is a type of artificial intelligence technology that can
take action on your behalf. In other words, it has
a degree of agents. So this is a technology that
you can ask to book you a flight or order
(14:06):
your groceries on Instacart, or it can make you a
PowerPoint presentation for work, for example. And this is in
contrast to the type of AI technology that is popular now,
which is like a chatbot right it can answer you questions,
it can maybe write you out an itinerary, but it
can't go that extra step. Agents are things that do
go that extra step. They can accomplish tasks, they can
(14:28):
execute on requests, and that's where open Aiy's latest tool enters.
The picture. Chat gypt Agent is a setting within chat
ept that the company says can book you a trip
on Expedia, it can run code, it can create sort
of business slideshows and spreadsheets for you, and open ai
says this is a mixture of several existing technologies that
(14:51):
they've been working on, including their deep research tool as
well as a tool called Operator, which is designed to
kind of click around websites and understand how to enter
things into text boxes and scroll through results and whatnot.
In that spirit, if you give chat GPT Agent a request,
it will actually pull up a little virtual computer and
(15:12):
you can watch it go through your request as it
tries to figure out what to do. If you ask
it to compare the best kitchen tables on Amazon dot com,
you can see it type in Amazon dot com into
a browser, scroll through the kitchen table results, and then
kind of compile that into a list of results for
you oday. I CEO Sam Alton says that this represents
(15:33):
a new level of capability for AI, but he's also
warning about a lot of potential risks, saying that this
isn't really ready for high stakes use cases just yet
and probably shouldn't be given a ton of your personal right.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So with that being said, industries, I mean, everybody loves
the idea of booking a cruise and the chat GPT
does that. Now, how about taking over employment? My daughter
Pamela is entering a master's degree with a crypto security
(16:07):
major because she's having a bear of a time getting
work with her skill set. Amazon just laid off a
zillion people. Other companies aren't hiring entry level because all
of the work is.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Being done by AI.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you see entire levels of industry being wiped out?
Because AI can do the thinking, and when you're talking
about agency can go forward and actually do the process itself.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That is certainly The concern with specifically a gentic AI
that we're talking about, right, that it can actually go
do the work of a person. Right, if we're using
the travel example, right, a travel agent would go do
that for you. But even in the sort of more
advanced sectors, right coding, for example, AI is pretty good
(16:56):
at coding. It can actually write and execute on code
effectively in many cases, and that does pose a huge
threat to a lot of sectors. However, I think it's
also worth mentioning that this is imperfect technology. Right. Many
people who have gotten access to the early version of
chat ept Agent have reported some strange unforced errors that
(17:18):
this technology has made, inventing fake Amazon links, for example,
pushing back sort of janky, unprofessional looking PowerPoint slides. One
tech publication compared this to basically hiring a day one
in turn that you basically have to kind of lord
over or show a bunch of different things before you
ever really trusted to do anything. You can hook up
(17:40):
your personal accounts to this machine and let it buy
plane tickets for you if you trusted to do that.
But the general consensus seems to be that this thing
is not quite ready for prime time yet, and you know,
there's a lot of speculation about where AI is going
to go in the future. But an old adage in
the tech world is that you shouldn't buy something with
the intention that it's going to get better in the future, right,
(18:02):
You should buy something with the capabilities that it has now.
The capabilities that it has now are pretty lacking, it seems.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And to your point, it's teaching a it's like teaching
an intern the basics, except you don't need the intern.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, the intern disappears.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right, but an intern presumably gets better over time, right,
whereas this, you know that that's a big question mark.
There is reporting out there that open ai is struggling
to put together its next major model. GPT five, Google,
Anthropic and other others have run into similar challenges as well.
There's been a lot of reporting out there that we're
running out of things to train these models on, which
(18:42):
kind of raises a question about what you do train
these models on once the entire corpus of the Internet
is exhausted. So there's some reason to think that this
is about as smart as generative AI is going to get,
at least for the immediate future. And again, it is
pretty lacking in that regard doesn't necessarily mean that people's
jobs aren't threatened, but it does mean that they are
(19:04):
at threat by a pretty imperfect technology.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
All right, Mike, thank you, we'll talk again. Always good stuff,
of course, Bill, take care.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Something really interesting is happening with the AI business. There
is an AI powered chat box that just came out
called za Xaia, and what it does is supplement the
services of mental health therapists. So instead of going me
going to my therapist and being told I'm a loser,
(19:34):
I can go to this AI mental health therapists would
do the same thing for me at all, much much
lower price.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And this is big stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Because za is just one of the many ways that
AI technology is going through the sector known.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
As digital health.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
As you can imagine AI technology, and in the world
of health, that technology moves at an unbelievable pace. And
the biggest sector of the health industry in terms of
where AI is going is mental health. It was the
top funded clinical area of all and you've got major
(20:20):
medical institutions jumping into this. UCLA is using AI help
doctors catch strokes faster, major medicine, reduce hospital readmissions, spend
more time with the patients by automating medical notes. Now,
in addition to kick Medicine, this is USC is offering
(20:40):
employees a commercial AI chat tool to support stress management management.
Where the future really is here is as a therapist
and being supportive and much like you are talking to
and we've talked about this before, a versions of your
(21:01):
best friends, and you actually connect with these people and
somehow they become much more than just a robot, much
more than just a computer program.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
They get real.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So you go onto ZEA if you're depressed and feel
horrible and they're dealing with sickness and don't know how
to cope, And it draws from hundreds of therapy transcripts,
real sessions, mock sessions created by experts. For example, you
tell Zea you're struggling with a new cancer diagnosis, and
the robot may say that must be very hard for you.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Then ask how it's affecting your mood?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What are you doing when you feel overwhelmed and trying
to stay positive when things are so heavy, Well, I
must take a lot of energy. When you notice yourself
being pulled back into those difficult thoughts, what usually happens next?
Do you find yourself withdrawing you turned anyone for support.
(22:04):
Now they're spending billions and billions of dollars on this.
I'll tell you the genius who is going to make
more money than anybody else in the field of AI
and the robotic therapy session is the guy who bought
a fortune cookie factory and you open the fortune cookie
(22:26):
and here you go, do you feel overwhelmed by your
medical diagnosis? Well, pull yourself back.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Obviously that's pretty simplistic stuff, and they do it pretty simplistically,
but also.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
It goes way beyond that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And they're saying that the therapists are getting well, I
think they're getting intruded on by AI. I always thought
that there were certain fields where artificial intelligence not touch
one of them being mental health, one of them being
(23:07):
a therapy session. When you talk to your therapist and
talk about how you're feeling, and your therapist that deals
with that and asks the questions and gives you advice.
That would be the last place that AI would be
able to deal with. Guess what it's not. It's the
first place now that a lot of AI is dealing with.
(23:30):
So let me ask you your opinion, Amy, let me
ask you real quickly, since I thought that therapy would
be one of the last when we were the last approaches
that AI would be involved with. Is our show in Jeopardy?
Could this show be done with AI? And I'll bet
(23:51):
you it could.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know, we were just talking about that this weekend
that you think about so much, that could be completely replaced.
But I don't know if talk show hosts could be.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think solely because look at this AI has Everything
that I have said over the last thirty one years
is somewhere because it's been recorded. It's somewhere someplace, and
AI can grab every word, every thought, every moment of
where I'm groping for words which I do constantly, every
tangential approach that I take to any topic, which happens constantly,
(24:23):
and I can't stay on focus or I can't stay
on point. And then come back and didn't we do
something at that. Didn't we at some point come up
with an AI version of the show.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
No, we've come up with different things like job applications
and yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
See, let's see if we can come up. We need
a little bit of research because I'd love to know
first of all, Amy the news. Yeah, No, just to
ask them to do a bill handle show. Ask Ai
do a bill handle show. I know with Amy it's
easy because it's the news has happened. I know Amy's
out there. Amy doesn't scream runt. Amy's gone. Okay, she
(25:03):
won't be here next week, all right, we can replace
her in two seconds.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Will with traffic, that's a snap.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean tell me that traffic can't be replaced instantly
by AI.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So you're gone on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm assuming Kuno is fairly difficult, but I think it
can be done, and I think yours is more difficult. Really,
but to do I think so, and mine is hopeful,
if not impossible. I'll bet you we can put something together.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And AI go off on a tangent, Yes, spill his coffee.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
During his And I'll tell you why, because AI is
doing a version of this show.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And decating something that's already been done, well except it's Ai.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Except it it ties into what's happening in the news,
or ties in to you know, for example, Costco going
to moving over to Coke, knowing that I love Coke,
knowing how important Costco is to my life, and coming
up with some AI version.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I say we do it. Oh, another version of robotics.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
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