August 28, 2025 • 24 mins
(August 28, 2025)
Community mourns as officials seek motive in Minneapolis shooting. The space economy is adding jobs in Southern California. Which AI gives the right answers? The Washington Post enlisted some professionals to test it out. They’re coming!! AI-driven schools… that mean not teachers.
Community mourns as officials seek motive in Minneapolis shooting. The space economy is adding jobs in Southern California. Which AI gives the right answers? The Washington Post enlisted some professionals to test it out. They’re coming!! AI-driven schools… that mean not teachers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
KFI AM six forty Handle here and the morning crew.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's a Thursday morning, August twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And as much as I enjoy having fun on this show,
and we try to make it even though it's hard
news in many ways and analysis, and we try to
make it funny whenever we can, well, you make it funny.
The rest of you are not particularly that funny. I've
been told many many times by Neil specifically, this is
(00:36):
a story that is absolutely heart wrenching and heartbreaking. And
it was the shooting that took place a couple of
days ago in Minneapolis, in which two students were killed,
seventeen were injured, and the suspect, Robin Westman, twenty three
years old.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We know a little bit about him.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And the shooting took place at a mass early in
the morning before schools started, as the students at this
Catholic school were celebrating the beginning of the school year.
They were all impewsed, these little kids, and this cockroach
outside of the church shot through the stained glass windows,
(01:16):
aims specifically at the kids. I mean not a kid,
but shot at the kid and the kids, and of course,
as we know, killed two of them and wounded the others.
So Robin Westman twenty three years old. And now they're
looking back, and they look back at his posts, which
or her posts that inevitably happen. Occasionally you have someone
(01:40):
who does a shooting or horrific act that does not post,
but for the most part these days they post. So
there's a multiple page document. Now this is where it
gets weird. Written in English, but cyrillic characters. Syrilla characters
are for example, at Russian you see Russian handwriting cyrillic.
(02:01):
And there's a four page document in which she apologizes
to his family and friends and writes about feeling pain
and suffering. So far nothing there other than I hurt,
all right, that gives you some indication. Now the rest
of the video shows the shooter displaying an entire arsenal
of weapons. Now it gets serious. If you see this
(02:24):
or something is going to happen. This is not good news.
And that video shows a rifle, a handgun, a shotgun,
several magazines of ammunition scrawled with political messages and in jokes.
And already we were starting to look at real trouble,
(02:45):
and like many mass shooters, his motives or her.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Motives, I keep on conflating the two.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And because Westman is a trans and even with these writings,
it's going to be really hard to decipher anything meaningful
that could prevent future attacks. And this is where the
gun advocates who say that we have to allow.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
People to buy guns.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He bought his guns legally, by the way, there's no
issue about that. And then it goes beyond well, well,
we have to look at not people's ability to buy
guns unlimited unbridled, but it's who should not have guns
and the mentally ill should not have guns, or those
that are a risk should not have guns.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And here it is proof positive.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She's Westman's believed to have been a former student at
the Annunciation Church and Catholic School. There authorities don't know
does that played a role or not. There are clues
that Westman had some real hate. The word scabitti was
written on one magazine, may be reference to a short
(04:03):
lived online extremist message board that was brought down, also
reference to two other mass shootings. The name rupp Now
is written on a rifle. This is in reference to
Natalie ruppn Now killed three students at a Christian school
in Madison, Wisconsin, last December. Brev Bryvic is in reference
(04:24):
to Anders bry Vic, And that's the guy who killed
seventy seven people in that attack in Norway in twenty eleven.
Remember their kids camp that he went and shot the
place up. Now what we do know is court record
show her mom, Mary Westman, signing a petition to change
her child's name in twenty nineteen. A handwritten filing said
(04:48):
that the minor child identifies as a female and once
her name to reflect that identification, and a judge approved that.
And that's when Robin Westman became Westman at the age
of seventeen. Now there are a lot of writings that
he has put up on the He's posted racist content
(05:11):
charging Christian, Jews, black people, LGBTQ, plus individual Muslim's, Hispanics.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Is there anybody left?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Maybe he hasn't attacked Inuits out of Alaska. I have
no idea and Noam Christinoam who is a Homeland Security secretary,
wrote that the shooter had the words for the.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Children, where is your God?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And killed Donald Trump on a rifle magazine And she
says this level of violence is unthinkable.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Unfortunately, this level of violence is completely thinkable, and it
happens time after time. There's also a handwritten map that
she posts it not Nome but Westman, including a handwritten
map of the interior of the church. Clearly she knew
what the church looked like. And again remember that Westman
(06:06):
was a student there previously. And the guns were marked
with a variety of political slogans, both in English and Russian,
so he obviously, she obviously had a Russian background. Eight
thirty am at the church, which happens to have a
school on site, it's mainly a church and according to
(06:27):
the preliminary diplomatary preliminary investigation, the shooter approached the church
building from the outside, shot through the window towards the
kids sitting in pews, and they were, as I said,
in the middle of the mass. So here is and
this this is one that I failed to understand, and
(06:50):
I guess I do as we report shooting after shooting,
after shooting schools and businesses and governmental buildings. See, uh,
what the CDC was just shot up a few days ago.
It's you know, I don't even know why. It's being reported.
I talked about this yesterday. I guess something like this
(07:11):
has to be reported because this is such an outlier shooting.
But you know what, it isn't an outlier shooting. Unfortunately,
it happens all the time. And when I travel and
I'm asked, and I talked about this yesterday, how crazy
it is that that we are such a gun culture.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I say, that's the cost of doing business. That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That's the cost of doing business in the United States.
I'm in Italy, and you know what the cost of
doing business in Italy. Everybody strikes all the time. Every
day there's a strike somewhere that matter of fact, they
even have calendars of when the strikes are coming up,
annual calendars. They know when it's going to happen. And
(07:52):
you go to Norway, it's cold. That's the cost of
doing business in Norway. When you go to Asian country
or when you go to the Mideast, corruption is the
cost of doing business. And fortunately or unfortunately, you can
do something about the cold.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You can certainly do something about corruption.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Basically, what you lose his money and the inability to
do a business, buy a house, continue on. When it
comes to a shooting at a school. There's not much
you can do about it except really really suffer.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, moving over to Southern California.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, we talk about the economy absolutely tanking, not
only Southern California, but in many parts of the United States.
Southern California and this is when we talk about the
economy in California being a juggernaut of the money of
the economy. You have the agriculture, that's the inland empire,
that's the part's going to split off, and all they're
(08:53):
going to have is agriculture where.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Huge, huge money is made by workers.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Sixteen dollars eighteen dollars an hour, and that I keep
that number in your mind for a moment. One of
the things about Southern California the economy is, of course Hollywood,
which used to be a major major player, Aerospace which
used to be a major major player. Well, guess what,
(09:22):
Hollywood is going south on US and going east and
going north and leaving productions are going. But Southern California
is space economy. The aerospace man, it's coming back in
a wave. Startups here are pushing technological boundaries. The LA
Economic Development Corp. Shows that the aerospace and Defensis Industries
(09:44):
here in Southern California added eleven thousand jobs.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Now, agricultural jobs in the Inland Empire, or the fulfillment
warehouses Amazon on Walmart, how much do they pay? Right
the average pay in the aerospace industry. With these startups,
we're talking about eleven thousand jobs in those two years.
(10:14):
The average wage is one hundred and forty one thousand
dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's the kind of jobs you want. That's who you
want to move in and live in your area.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
El Segundo Varda Space Industries, molecular crystal crystals and micro
gravity for pharmaceuticals in Seal Beach. Astro Forge is landing
or trying to land a satellite on an asteroid just
a football field wide. And look at the platinum that's
(10:50):
in these asteroids that we've discovered.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And these companies are not anomalies either.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's just three examples, and all of a sudden, Southern
California is exploding again with the aerospace heritage.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
During World War.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Two, Southern California was probably the foremost manufacturing place where
World War Two armaments were built. Missiles were built certainly
during the Cold War. You've got these huge warehouses. As
a matter of fact, there is a huge warehouse where
(11:24):
the government built C seventeen cargo planes, massive cargo planes,
the big, biggest ones we have.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, those stopped production a few years ago. Empty.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Guess what now you have companies coming in one hundred
and twenty eight aerospace, AI, companies in other fields, a
lot of them founded by former SpaceX employees, have started
one hundred and twenty eight ninety six still in operation,
half of them Southern California, twenty in aerospace, and no other.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Region comes even close.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And I'm talking about Silicon Valley, the Northwest, where you've
got the major computer companies Microsoft, You've got Amazon up there.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And why do they come here in southern California?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Because the pay is really high, the cost of living
is astronomical. Housing is out of control. Well, the talent
pool that first attracted SpaceX, because that's in Hawthorne. It's
Rocket Lab which launched the small satellites, found it in
(12:35):
New Zealand, but moved to Long Beach. Why because of
the depth of experience and technological knowledge that people here
in southern California have and some of Silicon Valley's leading
investors also have put in tons of money. For example,
(12:55):
there is a round of funding two point five billion
dollars funding round for Anderil Coast to Mesa Coast a
MESA maker of drones and defense systems, autonomous defense systems
that's been valued at thirty billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's it's coming back, It's coming back.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The one that I find the most interesting is a
company called Vast.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's in Long Beach.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's a startup and wants to build the replacement for
the ISS Space Station, which cost one hundred and fifty
billion dollars to build, which is being retired in five
years after three decades in orbit.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And they're they're building the replacement. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And the company started in twenty twenty one with a
few dozen employees now has over one thousand, expanded to
one hundred and eighty nine thousand square foot headquarters complex.
And that's the same neighborhood where Boeing built that C
seventeen Globe Master cargo jet before the line was shut
down in twenty seventeen. It's coming back with a passion
(14:12):
a vengeance these jobs and they're great jobs aerospace people
that are involved in manufacturing of airplanes and rockets and
the technology associated with it. Those are the kind of
jobs we want, big time jobs, and they're coming notwithstanding
the cost of living. So what is one hundred and
(14:34):
forty one thousand dollars by you? And let's say one
of the spouses makes one hundred and forty one thousand dollars.
The other one, let's say, doesn't have a really high
paying job, maybe makes fifty thousand, which is sort of
middle class. So now you're one hundred and ninety thousand
dollars a year income. You go two blocks from here.
(14:55):
We've talked about this before. Here in Burbank you have
two bedroom, un bath houses on lots that are as
big as crackerjack boxes, and that's a million dollars. Does
two hundred thousand dollars buy you a million dollar house?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No? Well the guy who owns these.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Companies, Yeah, maybe you'll be able to buy a place
in Burbank. Oh come okay, Now to test or not
to test artificial intelligence? There is a Washington Post article.
Jeffrey Fowler, their tech reporter, was asked to do a
(15:36):
fairly exhaustive piece on AI, and that is you know what,
First of all, do you get the right answers on AI?
Generally yes? Which is the best AI program out there?
Because there are a lot of choices, There may be
a dozen. So artificial intelligence tools claim they can answer
(15:59):
any question, and sometimes they are hilariously wrong, sometimes are
dangerously wrong. So which one is likely to give you
a correct answer? And so Fowler went to librarians, which
were probably the most qualified to give wrong or right answers,
(16:19):
and they were setting up a competition between nine AI tools,
asking EACHAI to answer thirty tough research questions.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And then the librarians judged the AI.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Answers and whether just an old fashion Google web search
might have been sufficient. And I tried one where there
was a really complex question theoretically that was asked. I
went onto Google and I got the answer in two seconds,
(16:54):
and I'll explain that. So the librarians scored nine hundred
answers from being from Copilot, CHATCHPT. Claude Grock METAI perplexity
as well as Google's AI overviews. And the questions didn't
(17:15):
reflect everything you might ask of AI. Rather, they were
actually designed to test five categories of that are now
known as common AI blind spots where AI does not
do a terrific job. AI tools have the ability to
search the web before answering questions.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But what they don't do is do it very well,
and that is contrary to popular thought. As a matter
of fact, they made made a lot of answers up
hallucinated by the way three of them, three out of
the nine correctly answers how many buttons does an iPhone have?
Three out of nine answered that question trivia. If you're
(18:00):
playing trivia pursuit, the best one to have is Google
AI the worst groc And what was the question that
was asked? Who was the first person to climb California's
matter Horn Peak. I didn't even know California. I had
a matter Horn peak and it's in the Sierra Nevada.
(18:23):
So who was the first person to answer the question correctly?
The answer is Edward Whimper Britt mountaineer. Where we got
the concept of whimpering?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh, I want to climb the mountain.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's not true, but only two got the right answer. Oh,
here is well. I'll tell you about this at the
end of the segment, because that's very fun. So both chat,
GPT and grock try to answer that question without a
web search and totally ended up hallucinating wrong answers. And
(19:01):
through these tests, Claude and madea AI frequently said we
can't find the answer.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
We just don't know it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's nice to be honest, isn't it supposed as opposed
to making something up and hallucinating? All right, specialized sources
best bing co pilot the worst per perplexity and questions
were asked where the librarians knew the answers required specialized sources.
(19:31):
For example, the AI tools were asked to identify and
this is something that AI that Amy will absolutely know
the answer. What was the most played song on Spotify
from Pharaoh Sanders album Wisdom through Music?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Do doo doo doo doo doo doo. See, Amy, you
don't know the answer? Should be ashamed of yourself. Well,
I was trying to Google it and I can't even
do that because I.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
No one knows because only two some of them got
it right. And that was because they were piecing together
information from news reports and LinkedIn And.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
How about recent events?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Remember, different questions are asked the best Google, Google AI,
Meta AI was the worst. And what happened is for
recent events. They searched the web and they and it's late.
That's the problem. One question, what score has the Fantastic
Four film gotten on review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes? Okay, Both Chat,
(20:37):
GPT and Grock understood that scores change over time, and
so they said scores change over time and went to
the website to dig up the.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Latest built in bias.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Which ones had the most built in bias, the best
at at not having it, Chat, GPT the worst, MEDA
and asking AI tools for example, here's the bias, what
are the five most important majors my kids should consider
when going to college?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
All of them.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Emphasized engineering AI as important feels rather than arts, philosophy,
or social science. Because the bias is how much money
you're going to make and how successful are you going
to do? And those are STEM topics, right, very stem
driven and profit driven.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Perplexity. Here's a question, what color was.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Donald Trump wearing when he met Vladimir Putin in Osaka
in twenty nineteen. Now, most were able to find a
photo of the event, but asking them to describe what
the picture was about, they melted down. Some confused Trump
for putin only chat GPT correctly described the color as pink,
(21:53):
although it said the tie was striped and it was solid.
That's what AI does. The winner, by the way, across
the board.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Is AI. Oh I still have I'm going to end
it with a fun, fun statement.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So what types of everyday questions no AI tool can
answer reliably well up to date?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Specialized source questions?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They reveal the truth about AI tools today because they're
really not information experts, because they have challenge determining which
source is the most authoritative, the most recent, which when
they should refer to, Because if you're asking questions and
you have different sources, which one is the best source?
(22:46):
They don't. They really don't know. So back we go
to the question that I asked you or I mentioned.
Let me go back to this in a minute, okay,
where two of the nine AI programs were successful in
answering who was the first person to climb California's matter
(23:09):
Horn Peak, And the answer was Edward Whimper, who was
a British mountaineer in the eighteen forties. And I didn't
go to AI. I went to Google, I went to Siri.
It took me two seconds, two seconds, And it turns
(23:31):
out that in many, many, many cases, just going on
a Google search straight out is a better way to
get information than chat, GPT, or bing or the other
AI tools.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Very interesting stuff. I kind of liked it. I did.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
By the way, if you want to, here's a fun
one that people go to, how much is my net worth?
I do that because you know me, I'm obsessed with money.
It's all the way from two hundred thousand dollars to
seventy three billion, depending on which source you go to,
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Not exactly seventis no kidding.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would take the seventy three billion. Hey, if I
was worth seventy three billion, my assistance assistant assistant would
be talking to you right now. But it's just all
over the place and it doesn't make a lot of
sense in many many cases.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
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Speaker 2 (24:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
KFI AM six forty Handle here and the morning crew.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's a Thursday morning, August twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And as much as I enjoy having fun on this show,
and we try to make it even though it's hard
news in many ways and analysis, and we try to
make it funny whenever we can, well, you make it funny.
The rest of you are not particularly that funny. I've
been told many many times by Neil specifically, this is
(00:36):
a story that is absolutely heart wrenching and heartbreaking. And
it was the shooting that took place a couple of
days ago in Minneapolis, in which two students were killed,
seventeen were injured, and the suspect, Robin Westman, twenty three
years old.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We know a little bit about him.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And the shooting took place at a mass early in
the morning before schools started, as the students at this
Catholic school were celebrating the beginning of the school year.
They were all impewsed, these little kids, and this cockroach
outside of the church shot through the stained glass windows,
(01:16):
aims specifically at the kids. I mean not a kid,
but shot at the kid and the kids, and of course,
as we know, killed two of them and wounded the others.
So Robin Westman twenty three years old. And now they're
looking back, and they look back at his posts, which
or her posts that inevitably happen. Occasionally you have someone
(01:40):
who does a shooting or horrific act that does not post,
but for the most part these days they post. So
there's a multiple page document. Now this is where it
gets weird. Written in English, but cyrillic characters. Syrilla characters
are for example, at Russian you see Russian handwriting cyrillic.
(02:01):
And there's a four page document in which she apologizes
to his family and friends and writes about feeling pain
and suffering. So far nothing there other than I hurt,
all right, that gives you some indication. Now the rest
of the video shows the shooter displaying an entire arsenal
of weapons. Now it gets serious. If you see this
(02:24):
or something is going to happen. This is not good news.
And that video shows a rifle, a handgun, a shotgun,
several magazines of ammunition scrawled with political messages and in jokes.
And already we were starting to look at real trouble,
(02:45):
and like many mass shooters, his motives or her.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Motives, I keep on conflating the two.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And because Westman is a trans and even with these writings,
it's going to be really hard to decipher anything meaningful
that could prevent future attacks. And this is where the
gun advocates who say that we have to allow.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
People to buy guns.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He bought his guns legally, by the way, there's no
issue about that. And then it goes beyond well, well,
we have to look at not people's ability to buy
guns unlimited unbridled, but it's who should not have guns
and the mentally ill should not have guns, or those
that are a risk should not have guns.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And here it is proof positive.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She's Westman's believed to have been a former student at
the Annunciation Church and Catholic School. There authorities don't know
does that played a role or not. There are clues
that Westman had some real hate. The word scabitti was
written on one magazine, may be reference to a short
(04:03):
lived online extremist message board that was brought down, also
reference to two other mass shootings. The name rupp Now
is written on a rifle. This is in reference to
Natalie ruppn Now killed three students at a Christian school
in Madison, Wisconsin, last December. Brev Bryvic is in reference
(04:24):
to Anders bry Vic, And that's the guy who killed
seventy seven people in that attack in Norway in twenty eleven.
Remember their kids camp that he went and shot the
place up. Now what we do know is court record
show her mom, Mary Westman, signing a petition to change
her child's name in twenty nineteen. A handwritten filing said
(04:48):
that the minor child identifies as a female and once
her name to reflect that identification, and a judge approved that.
And that's when Robin Westman became Westman at the age
of seventeen. Now there are a lot of writings that
he has put up on the He's posted racist content
(05:11):
charging Christian, Jews, black people, LGBTQ, plus individual Muslim's, Hispanics.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Is there anybody left?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Maybe he hasn't attacked Inuits out of Alaska. I have
no idea and Noam Christinoam who is a Homeland Security secretary,
wrote that the shooter had the words for the.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Children, where is your God?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And killed Donald Trump on a rifle magazine And she
says this level of violence is unthinkable.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Unfortunately, this level of violence is completely thinkable, and it
happens time after time. There's also a handwritten map that
she posts it not Nome but Westman, including a handwritten
map of the interior of the church. Clearly she knew
what the church looked like. And again remember that Westman
(06:06):
was a student there previously. And the guns were marked
with a variety of political slogans, both in English and Russian,
so he obviously, she obviously had a Russian background. Eight
thirty am at the church, which happens to have a
school on site, it's mainly a church and according to
(06:27):
the preliminary diplomatary preliminary investigation, the shooter approached the church
building from the outside, shot through the window towards the
kids sitting in pews, and they were, as I said,
in the middle of the mass. So here is and
this this is one that I failed to understand, and
(06:50):
I guess I do as we report shooting after shooting,
after shooting schools and businesses and governmental buildings. See, uh,
what the CDC was just shot up a few days ago.
It's you know, I don't even know why. It's being reported.
I talked about this yesterday. I guess something like this
(07:11):
has to be reported because this is such an outlier shooting.
But you know what, it isn't an outlier shooting. Unfortunately,
it happens all the time. And when I travel and
I'm asked, and I talked about this yesterday, how crazy
it is that that we are such a gun culture.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I say, that's the cost of doing business. That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That's the cost of doing business in the United States.
I'm in Italy, and you know what the cost of
doing business in Italy. Everybody strikes all the time. Every
day there's a strike somewhere that matter of fact, they
even have calendars of when the strikes are coming up,
annual calendars. They know when it's going to happen. And
(07:52):
you go to Norway, it's cold. That's the cost of
doing business in Norway. When you go to Asian country
or when you go to the Mideast, corruption is the
cost of doing business. And fortunately or unfortunately, you can
do something about the cold.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You can certainly do something about corruption.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Basically, what you lose his money and the inability to
do a business, buy a house, continue on. When it
comes to a shooting at a school. There's not much
you can do about it except really really suffer.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, moving over to Southern California.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, we talk about the economy absolutely tanking, not
only Southern California, but in many parts of the United States.
Southern California and this is when we talk about the
economy in California being a juggernaut of the money of
the economy. You have the agriculture, that's the inland empire,
that's the part's going to split off, and all they're
(08:53):
going to have is agriculture where.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Huge, huge money is made by workers.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Sixteen dollars eighteen dollars an hour, and that I keep
that number in your mind for a moment. One of
the things about Southern California the economy is, of course Hollywood,
which used to be a major major player, Aerospace which
used to be a major major player. Well, guess what,
(09:22):
Hollywood is going south on US and going east and
going north and leaving productions are going. But Southern California
is space economy. The aerospace man, it's coming back in
a wave. Startups here are pushing technological boundaries. The LA
Economic Development Corp. Shows that the aerospace and Defensis Industries
(09:44):
here in Southern California added eleven thousand jobs.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Now, agricultural jobs in the Inland Empire, or the fulfillment
warehouses Amazon on Walmart, how much do they pay? Right
the average pay in the aerospace industry. With these startups,
we're talking about eleven thousand jobs in those two years.
(10:14):
The average wage is one hundred and forty one thousand
dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's the kind of jobs you want. That's who you
want to move in and live in your area.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
El Segundo Varda Space Industries, molecular crystal crystals and micro
gravity for pharmaceuticals in Seal Beach. Astro Forge is landing
or trying to land a satellite on an asteroid just
a football field wide. And look at the platinum that's
(10:50):
in these asteroids that we've discovered.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And these companies are not anomalies either.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's just three examples, and all of a sudden, Southern
California is exploding again with the aerospace heritage.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
During World War.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Two, Southern California was probably the foremost manufacturing place where
World War Two armaments were built. Missiles were built certainly
during the Cold War. You've got these huge warehouses. As
a matter of fact, there is a huge warehouse where
(11:24):
the government built C seventeen cargo planes, massive cargo planes,
the big, biggest ones we have.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, those stopped production a few years ago. Empty.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Guess what now you have companies coming in one hundred
and twenty eight aerospace, AI, companies in other fields, a
lot of them founded by former SpaceX employees, have started
one hundred and twenty eight ninety six still in operation,
half of them Southern California, twenty in aerospace, and no other.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Region comes even close.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And I'm talking about Silicon Valley, the Northwest, where you've
got the major computer companies Microsoft, You've got Amazon up there.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And why do they come here in southern California?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Because the pay is really high, the cost of living
is astronomical. Housing is out of control. Well, the talent
pool that first attracted SpaceX, because that's in Hawthorne. It's
Rocket Lab which launched the small satellites, found it in
(12:35):
New Zealand, but moved to Long Beach. Why because of
the depth of experience and technological knowledge that people here
in southern California have and some of Silicon Valley's leading
investors also have put in tons of money. For example,
(12:55):
there is a round of funding two point five billion
dollars funding round for Anderil Coast to Mesa Coast a
MESA maker of drones and defense systems, autonomous defense systems
that's been valued at thirty billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's it's coming back, It's coming back.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The one that I find the most interesting is a
company called Vast.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's in Long Beach.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's a startup and wants to build the replacement for
the ISS Space Station, which cost one hundred and fifty
billion dollars to build, which is being retired in five
years after three decades in orbit.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And they're they're building the replacement. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And the company started in twenty twenty one with a
few dozen employees now has over one thousand, expanded to
one hundred and eighty nine thousand square foot headquarters complex.
And that's the same neighborhood where Boeing built that C
seventeen Globe Master cargo jet before the line was shut
down in twenty seventeen. It's coming back with a passion
(14:12):
a vengeance these jobs and they're great jobs aerospace people
that are involved in manufacturing of airplanes and rockets and
the technology associated with it. Those are the kind of
jobs we want, big time jobs, and they're coming notwithstanding
the cost of living. So what is one hundred and
(14:34):
forty one thousand dollars by you? And let's say one
of the spouses makes one hundred and forty one thousand dollars.
The other one, let's say, doesn't have a really high
paying job, maybe makes fifty thousand, which is sort of
middle class. So now you're one hundred and ninety thousand
dollars a year income. You go two blocks from here.
(14:55):
We've talked about this before. Here in Burbank you have
two bedroom, un bath houses on lots that are as
big as crackerjack boxes, and that's a million dollars. Does
two hundred thousand dollars buy you a million dollar house?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No? Well the guy who owns these.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Companies, Yeah, maybe you'll be able to buy a place
in Burbank. Oh come okay, Now to test or not
to test artificial intelligence? There is a Washington Post article.
Jeffrey Fowler, their tech reporter, was asked to do a
(15:36):
fairly exhaustive piece on AI, and that is you know what,
First of all, do you get the right answers on AI?
Generally yes? Which is the best AI program out there?
Because there are a lot of choices, There may be
a dozen. So artificial intelligence tools claim they can answer
(15:59):
any question, and sometimes they are hilariously wrong, sometimes are
dangerously wrong. So which one is likely to give you
a correct answer? And so Fowler went to librarians, which
were probably the most qualified to give wrong or right answers,
(16:19):
and they were setting up a competition between nine AI tools,
asking EACHAI to answer thirty tough research questions.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And then the librarians judged the AI.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Answers and whether just an old fashion Google web search
might have been sufficient. And I tried one where there
was a really complex question theoretically that was asked. I
went onto Google and I got the answer in two seconds,
(16:54):
and I'll explain that. So the librarians scored nine hundred
answers from being from Copilot, CHATCHPT. Claude Grock METAI perplexity
as well as Google's AI overviews. And the questions didn't
(17:15):
reflect everything you might ask of AI. Rather, they were
actually designed to test five categories of that are now
known as common AI blind spots where AI does not
do a terrific job. AI tools have the ability to
search the web before answering questions.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But what they don't do is do it very well,
and that is contrary to popular thought. As a matter
of fact, they made made a lot of answers up
hallucinated by the way three of them, three out of
the nine correctly answers how many buttons does an iPhone have?
Three out of nine answered that question trivia. If you're
(18:00):
playing trivia pursuit, the best one to have is Google
AI the worst groc And what was the question that
was asked? Who was the first person to climb California's
matter Horn Peak. I didn't even know California. I had
a matter Horn peak and it's in the Sierra Nevada.
(18:23):
So who was the first person to answer the question correctly?
The answer is Edward Whimper Britt mountaineer. Where we got
the concept of whimpering?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh, I want to climb the mountain.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's not true, but only two got the right answer. Oh,
here is well. I'll tell you about this at the
end of the segment, because that's very fun. So both chat,
GPT and grock try to answer that question without a
web search and totally ended up hallucinating wrong answers. And
(19:01):
through these tests, Claude and madea AI frequently said we
can't find the answer.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
We just don't know it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's nice to be honest, isn't it supposed as opposed
to making something up and hallucinating? All right, specialized sources
best bing co pilot the worst per perplexity and questions
were asked where the librarians knew the answers required specialized sources.
(19:31):
For example, the AI tools were asked to identify and
this is something that AI that Amy will absolutely know
the answer. What was the most played song on Spotify
from Pharaoh Sanders album Wisdom through Music?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Do doo doo doo doo doo doo. See, Amy, you
don't know the answer? Should be ashamed of yourself. Well,
I was trying to Google it and I can't even
do that because I.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
No one knows because only two some of them got
it right. And that was because they were piecing together
information from news reports and LinkedIn And.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
How about recent events?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Remember, different questions are asked the best Google, Google AI,
Meta AI was the worst. And what happened is for
recent events. They searched the web and they and it's late.
That's the problem. One question, what score has the Fantastic
Four film gotten on review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes? Okay, Both Chat,
(20:37):
GPT and Grock understood that scores change over time, and
so they said scores change over time and went to
the website to dig up the.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Latest built in bias.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Which ones had the most built in bias, the best
at at not having it, Chat, GPT the worst, MEDA
and asking AI tools for example, here's the bias, what
are the five most important majors my kids should consider
when going to college?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
All of them.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Emphasized engineering AI as important feels rather than arts, philosophy,
or social science. Because the bias is how much money
you're going to make and how successful are you going
to do? And those are STEM topics, right, very stem
driven and profit driven.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Perplexity. Here's a question, what color was.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Donald Trump wearing when he met Vladimir Putin in Osaka
in twenty nineteen. Now, most were able to find a
photo of the event, but asking them to describe what
the picture was about, they melted down. Some confused Trump
for putin only chat GPT correctly described the color as pink,
(21:53):
although it said the tie was striped and it was solid.
That's what AI does. The winner, by the way, across
the board.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Is AI. Oh I still have I'm going to end
it with a fun, fun statement.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So what types of everyday questions no AI tool can
answer reliably well up to date?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Specialized source questions?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They reveal the truth about AI tools today because they're
really not information experts, because they have challenge determining which
source is the most authoritative, the most recent, which when
they should refer to, Because if you're asking questions and
you have different sources, which one is the best source?
(22:46):
They don't. They really don't know. So back we go
to the question that I asked you or I mentioned.
Let me go back to this in a minute, okay,
where two of the nine AI programs were successful in
answering who was the first person to climb California's matter
(23:09):
Horn Peak, And the answer was Edward Whimper, who was
a British mountaineer in the eighteen forties. And I didn't
go to AI. I went to Google, I went to Siri.
It took me two seconds, two seconds, And it turns
(23:31):
out that in many, many, many cases, just going on
a Google search straight out is a better way to
get information than chat, GPT, or bing or the other
AI tools.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Very interesting stuff. I kind of liked it. I did.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
By the way, if you want to, here's a fun
one that people go to, how much is my net worth?
I do that because you know me, I'm obsessed with money.
It's all the way from two hundred thousand dollars to
seventy three billion, depending on which source you go to,
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Not exactly seventis no kidding.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would take the seventy three billion. Hey, if I
was worth seventy three billion, my assistance assistant assistant would
be talking to you right now. But it's just all
over the place and it doesn't make a lot of
sense in many many cases.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
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