September 24, 2025 • 15 mins
(Sept 24, 2025)
Los Angeles City Councilwoman from the 7th District Monica Rodriguez joins Neil to discuss the state of the city. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Neil about Tylenol and the risk of Autism.
Los Angeles City Councilwoman from the 7th District Monica Rodriguez joins Neil to discuss the state of the city. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Neil about Tylenol and the risk of Autism.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty VI KFI AM six forty live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody, it is Neil Savadra the
Morning Crew. Happy Wednesday to you. I'm not going to
do the whole Bill Handle hump day thing. That's I'm
going to leave that for Bill when he gets back
(00:22):
next week. Happy to be with you. Last week, we
had Councilwoman Monica Rodriguez on the show. She is with
the seventh District, and we become friends through our mutual
love of food in the hospitality industry. During a lot
of the Michigos and the problems during COVID and the shutdown,
(00:44):
Monica was a very loud voice about protecting small businesses
and you know that ties right in with of course
mom and pop restaurants, and so we became friends through that.
We have a mutual friend that introduced us, and I
am blown away by her. I'm a rationalist. I'm not
(01:07):
a Democrat or a Republican. I'm a rationalist and I
find her to be very rational. Doesn't mean we always agreet, No,
I don't want to be around people that I always
agree with, but I like the way she thinks. So
I invited her back today and I wanted to start,
And we're going to talk about something you're doing to
a fun thing that you're doing in your district in
October is at the third or fourth, the fourth, the
(01:29):
fourth with the movie Jaws that you've got to know
if you're a fan of the movie, you want to
see it in a unique way.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We'll tell you what that is in just a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So Los Angeles City Council just approved recently the LA
Convention Center expansion, costing two point six over two point
six billion, and you're looking at a massive amount of
money promised each year for decade or more three decades.
(01:58):
That would be the end. More part, I suppose what
the hell are were you fan of this? What's what's
working in that? What does it mean for LA and why?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well, first, I want to start with the modernization of
the Convention Center was not required for the Olympic Games.
That was never part of the agreement. This was a
no build Olympics when we signed that contract.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So interesting, so there was the whole point was because
we made money in the last Olympic, because they normally
don't and that's because of the building.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Usually incorrect.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Okay, that's what other cities have learned hard lessons by
constructing facilities to accommodate the Olympics. That was never necessary
with the agreement that we signed. Interesting, right, So when
this modernization conversation started, it was again not born out
of a necessity for the Olympics, because the venue as
(02:51):
it stands was able to accommodate and this is already
slated to be an Olympic venue as part of the Games.
Back last year, when this conversation for some reason started
to get new legs about we need to modernize and
invest in this convention center given what's happening downtown, or
because of the Olympics, all of these reasons that were
(03:12):
really unnecessary. And there was an initial fifty four million
dollars that was debt financed and being moved by colleagues
to help get the plan in place. Now, mind you,
this is before the fires, this is before everything. So
I voted against that because fifty four million dollars debt
(03:34):
finance is about the equivalent of one hundred million dollars.
And I said, at a time when we're looking at
fiscal crisis, how can we be advancing this conversation right now,
especially when it's not necessary for the Olympics. So I
voted against it, which obviously got some pushback from individuals
in labor and business that wanted to advance this. But
(03:56):
I just said, how can we sit here and cut
services to everyone else in the city at this time
and talk about the constraints on our budget and yet
advance this. It makes no sense. Then you had the fires,
and when the fires happened, then you had the CLA,
our legislative analyst, and the CEO, the administrative officer kind
of come back like, ugh, yeah, we can't do this.
(04:18):
But then somehow they got the pressure to figure out
how to still continue to advocate. There was another proposal
for another an additional twenty million dollars, and I voted no.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Again.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I said, guys, can't we see the signs this is
not going to work fast forward. It was clear it
was communicated in committee to the budget committee, how constrained
our resources are, how many concerns AEG which was part
of the original group, pulled out of the project. Those
(04:48):
were all the signs that said, what are we doing?
And yet Friday I was so myself, my colleague council
member Bloomfield, A couple other colleagues were also used from council.
They still schedule The council president, Marquise Harris Dausin, decided
to schedule it even in our absence, knowing what our
positions were.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's crappy that they waited for you to be out
of town to make the decision or to the vote
for the two point six billion. I can hear your
frustration on that. Moving on to Bass and her recent
announcement about saving jobs, she was trying to if I misspeak,
(05:31):
correct me, please, but she was trying to originally save
a billion dollars or something with layoff sixteen hundred people
or so. She says that we're all good, everybody's staying.
Never mentions where the money's coming from, never mentions any
of that.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So what are the details.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Is this a victory lap or is this just shuffling
things around?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, my colleagues on the budget Committee actually helped to
restore a lot of the positions and make some adjustment.
But much of this was actually born on lack of
police hiring. It was born on elimination of services, and
so at the end of the day, the people are
still losing out in terms of the services in the city,
from the cuts that were achieved or were done to
(06:18):
our graffiti abatement, to street services, sidewalk repairs, street lighting,
all of those things her still being affected by these cuts. So, yes,
we were able to avoid layoffs, and that's always a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
There will be furloughs though, right there.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Are furloughs, and there were a lot of compromises. LAPD
a lot of their overtime is going to be banked,
so that's ultimately going to cost more. So at the
end of the day, we don't want to lay anybody off,
but let's be really clear about how that was achieved,
and it's still going to adversely affect services for the
people of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So we're getting or we're not growing our police force because
of this.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That was adopted as one of the reasons why I
voted against the budget.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So what are some of the jobs that were saved.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
There were a number of civilian positions in LAPD that
are really important to supporting the work of LAPD officers.
It costs us a lot more if we have sworn
officers doing the works of civilians, so those things were protected.
There's a number of other city employees from various departments
that were also protected, but we had been working to
even transfer those individuals to other vacancies. But that number
(07:30):
of opportunity is shrinking. And again, this Convention Center, with
the future obligations. If the budget doesn't grow, if our
general fund doesn't grow, we're going to continue to see
a future of cuts, given that the council just adopted
and the mayor supports these investments in the Convention Center,
which are going to add roughly one hundred million dollars
(07:53):
of obligations annually without new revenue guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, now I'll switch to something I've got about a
minute left us, which is something more fun. Is one
of the things that I enjoy about knowing you is
that you put on a lot of stuff for the
community that I've been to, whether it's Dia delos Montos
and a celebration of that, whether it is you know,
movie nights, a Fourth of July event, all of those.
(08:19):
You've got one coming up to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary
of the movie Jaws.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, I'm very excited about this because the reason why
we are now able to actually do movie nights by
the pool is because when I first got elected, I
pushed the Department of Recreation and Parks to allow me
to use our handsome dem Aquatic Center, which is the
largest municipal pool in the country. It's a sandy beach
pool and I have It's really fun and we did
(08:43):
the first screening was Jaws when I first did it
when I first got elected back in twenty seventeen. I'm
doing it again for the fiftieth anniversary. I want to
thank Universal for giving me the permission to do it.
We're doing it for free. We're recreating Amity Island and
it's going to be fun. So we want to invite
everybody October fourth. The gates open at three o'clock. This
(09:05):
is free for all families. The movie starts when the
lights you know when it gets started. But we've got
some fun little surprises in store for everybody, So it's
going to be where do they find more? Come to
my website Moez dot org, or you can go to
my Instagram em around CD seven, but we've got it
available and we've got some fun promos that are coming
(09:26):
along as well.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You sure do say your name, pretty girl.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I say it the way my parents.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I don't want to risk a twisted tongue.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Can I ask something, yes, Amy k King Monica, When
you say there's fun surprises and it has to do
with Jaws and it's near the water, what.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Do you mean, well, you have to come and find out.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I don't want to spoil the surprises, but I will
just say we are going to make it more movie
like than if you just went to any other ordinary
cool to watch a movie. I'll just say that I'm
scared it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Line shirk. Let's talk with doctor Jim Keeney. Oh doctor,
how are you?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Neil?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm doing good, good good here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So Thailand Hall has been in the news, or as
the President says, is side uh title and all I
think he genuinely we all have the words that we
can't say, but I think cidneam inefit is one of his.
And uh. We talked about this yesterday because the studies
(10:40):
don't seem to go along with this particular conclusion.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
What say you, good, doc?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah? So, I mean there are a lot of studies
that I'm out there of varying quality, by the way,
and so you know, the one most recent and the
one that has probably the highest quality is a study
from Sweden that had two point five million children in it,
and they controlled for some variables that other studies didn't,
you know, because what they looked at were siblings. And
(11:09):
it was a what we call prospective studies. So we
followed them and we followed families and saw did the
did the mother use tail and all before she would
you know, during the time she was pregnant, And that
way you have kind of a prospective look at this.
You're not it's not observational. You're not looking back and saying, hey,
(11:30):
did you do you remember if you used tilan al
during pregnancy? You may or may not remember that, or
you may remember it incorrectly. So that study showed no
real relationship at all between tailanol and autism, and and
that's probably one of the best ones. There are some
other ones that show mixed reviews that some do show
(11:52):
that there may be an association mild association. Now remember
association doesn't mean cause, but.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's it's caused.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
To look at it and go, huh, there might be
something there. You know, For example, a rooster crows, the
sun comes up, the rooster is associated with the sun
coming up, but it didn't make the sun come up, right.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
No, But did the sun coming up make the rooster crow?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, exactly, So you've got to look at these things.
You just don't know which way it goes. And for example,
did the fever that the mother took the tailant all
for caused the problem or was it the time and all?
So you know, it's hard to conduct real world studies
that don't control for everything. The sweetest study did a
really good job. The other one did a decent job,
(12:36):
but the best study and the biggest by far, because
the other studies of show association have a thousand kids
or less in them, and it's had two point five million.
So you know, again, living life has risk and is dangerous.
So we're not saying that tailand all has zero risk
when you're pregnant, for sure. There's no doctor on a
(12:56):
planet that will say that, or if they did, they'd
be wrong. So you know, we know that there's risk
in life and we're weighing the risk. So if you're
pregnant and you have a fever, we know that there's
good studies to show that fever during pregnancy increase the
risk to the feet of for a lot of different things,
including zeral tube defects and other neurologic issues. So do
we treat it? Do we not treat it? There are
(13:18):
no studies that show whether treating a fever in pregnancy
with tailanol is protective, but you assume that lowering the
fever would help. We don't know that for sure, though,
but are your best judgment?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Are there other medications that would do that that are
not a cind ofminifit.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, and they also have risk, right, So silent al
motread all of those and most are not recommended, you know,
during pregnancy to be used for fever. Right now, the
safest drugs used is Thilanol is recommended by the American
College of obgy Ns, It's recommended by pediatrics, it's it's
recommended by every major society because you know, and again,
(13:58):
trying to do a study where we look in see, hey,
maybe we leave the pregnant woman with a fever untreated,
we would have a really hard time getting that past
a Human Subjects Protection Committee which SURE or an IRB,
because every human study has to pass that level of ethics,
and leaving a pregnant mother untreated with a fever right now,
(14:19):
probably would be considered too unethical to, you know, to
randomize someone and force them not to treat their fever.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, do no harm, right, Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
But are these doctors that's that went to twelve to
eighteen years of schooling? Are these real doctors that sit
on the toilet and scan through the internet?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
How much doctors are we doctors?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Okay, I'm going to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I'm just saying because there's a difference, right, There's a
lot of people that are sitting on the toilet reading
the internet that are doctors now in their heads.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So I just wanted to make sure you've been listening
to the Bill Handle Show. Catch my Show Monday through
Friday six am to nine
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Am, and any time on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty VI KFI AM six forty live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody, it is Neil Savadra the
Morning Crew. Happy Wednesday to you. I'm not going to
do the whole Bill Handle hump day thing. That's I'm
going to leave that for Bill when he gets back
(00:22):
next week. Happy to be with you. Last week, we
had Councilwoman Monica Rodriguez on the show. She is with
the seventh District, and we become friends through our mutual
love of food in the hospitality industry. During a lot
of the Michigos and the problems during COVID and the shutdown,
(00:44):
Monica was a very loud voice about protecting small businesses
and you know that ties right in with of course
mom and pop restaurants, and so we became friends through that.
We have a mutual friend that introduced us, and I
am blown away by her. I'm a rationalist. I'm not
(01:07):
a Democrat or a Republican. I'm a rationalist and I
find her to be very rational. Doesn't mean we always agreet, No,
I don't want to be around people that I always
agree with, but I like the way she thinks. So
I invited her back today and I wanted to start,
And we're going to talk about something you're doing to
a fun thing that you're doing in your district in
October is at the third or fourth, the fourth, the
(01:29):
fourth with the movie Jaws that you've got to know
if you're a fan of the movie, you want to
see it in a unique way.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We'll tell you what that is in just a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So Los Angeles City Council just approved recently the LA
Convention Center expansion, costing two point six over two point
six billion, and you're looking at a massive amount of
money promised each year for decade or more three decades.
(01:58):
That would be the end. More part, I suppose what
the hell are were you fan of this? What's what's
working in that? What does it mean for LA and why?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well, first, I want to start with the modernization of
the Convention Center was not required for the Olympic Games.
That was never part of the agreement. This was a
no build Olympics when we signed that contract.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So interesting, so there was the whole point was because
we made money in the last Olympic, because they normally
don't and that's because of the building.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Usually incorrect.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Okay, that's what other cities have learned hard lessons by
constructing facilities to accommodate the Olympics. That was never necessary
with the agreement that we signed. Interesting, right, So when
this modernization conversation started, it was again not born out
of a necessity for the Olympics, because the venue as
(02:51):
it stands was able to accommodate and this is already
slated to be an Olympic venue as part of the Games.
Back last year, when this conversation for some reason started
to get new legs about we need to modernize and
invest in this convention center given what's happening downtown, or
because of the Olympics, all of these reasons that were
(03:12):
really unnecessary. And there was an initial fifty four million
dollars that was debt financed and being moved by colleagues
to help get the plan in place. Now, mind you,
this is before the fires, this is before everything. So
I voted against that because fifty four million dollars debt
(03:34):
finance is about the equivalent of one hundred million dollars.
And I said, at a time when we're looking at
fiscal crisis, how can we be advancing this conversation right now,
especially when it's not necessary for the Olympics. So I
voted against it, which obviously got some pushback from individuals
in labor and business that wanted to advance this. But
(03:56):
I just said, how can we sit here and cut
services to everyone else in the city at this time
and talk about the constraints on our budget and yet
advance this. It makes no sense. Then you had the fires,
and when the fires happened, then you had the CLA,
our legislative analyst, and the CEO, the administrative officer kind
of come back like, ugh, yeah, we can't do this.
(04:18):
But then somehow they got the pressure to figure out
how to still continue to advocate. There was another proposal
for another an additional twenty million dollars, and I voted no.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Again.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I said, guys, can't we see the signs this is
not going to work fast forward. It was clear it
was communicated in committee to the budget committee, how constrained
our resources are, how many concerns AEG which was part
of the original group, pulled out of the project. Those
(04:48):
were all the signs that said, what are we doing?
And yet Friday I was so myself, my colleague council
member Bloomfield, A couple other colleagues were also used from council.
They still schedule The council president, Marquise Harris Dausin, decided
to schedule it even in our absence, knowing what our
positions were.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's crappy that they waited for you to be out
of town to make the decision or to the vote
for the two point six billion. I can hear your
frustration on that. Moving on to Bass and her recent
announcement about saving jobs, she was trying to if I misspeak,
(05:31):
correct me, please, but she was trying to originally save
a billion dollars or something with layoff sixteen hundred people
or so. She says that we're all good, everybody's staying.
Never mentions where the money's coming from, never mentions any
of that.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So what are the details.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Is this a victory lap or is this just shuffling
things around?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, my colleagues on the budget Committee actually helped to
restore a lot of the positions and make some adjustment.
But much of this was actually born on lack of
police hiring. It was born on elimination of services, and
so at the end of the day, the people are
still losing out in terms of the services in the city,
from the cuts that were achieved or were done to
(06:18):
our graffiti abatement, to street services, sidewalk repairs, street lighting,
all of those things her still being affected by these cuts. So, yes,
we were able to avoid layoffs, and that's always a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
There will be furloughs though, right there.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Are furloughs, and there were a lot of compromises. LAPD
a lot of their overtime is going to be banked,
so that's ultimately going to cost more. So at the
end of the day, we don't want to lay anybody off,
but let's be really clear about how that was achieved,
and it's still going to adversely affect services for the
people of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So we're getting or we're not growing our police force because
of this.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That was adopted as one of the reasons why I
voted against the budget.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So what are some of the jobs that were saved.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
There were a number of civilian positions in LAPD that
are really important to supporting the work of LAPD officers.
It costs us a lot more if we have sworn
officers doing the works of civilians, so those things were protected.
There's a number of other city employees from various departments
that were also protected, but we had been working to
even transfer those individuals to other vacancies. But that number
(07:30):
of opportunity is shrinking. And again, this Convention Center, with
the future obligations. If the budget doesn't grow, if our
general fund doesn't grow, we're going to continue to see
a future of cuts, given that the council just adopted
and the mayor supports these investments in the Convention Center,
which are going to add roughly one hundred million dollars
(07:53):
of obligations annually without new revenue guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, now I'll switch to something I've got about a
minute left us, which is something more fun. Is one
of the things that I enjoy about knowing you is
that you put on a lot of stuff for the
community that I've been to, whether it's Dia delos Montos
and a celebration of that, whether it is you know,
movie nights, a Fourth of July event, all of those.
(08:19):
You've got one coming up to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary
of the movie Jaws.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, I'm very excited about this because the reason why
we are now able to actually do movie nights by
the pool is because when I first got elected, I
pushed the Department of Recreation and Parks to allow me
to use our handsome dem Aquatic Center, which is the
largest municipal pool in the country. It's a sandy beach
pool and I have It's really fun and we did
(08:43):
the first screening was Jaws when I first did it
when I first got elected back in twenty seventeen. I'm
doing it again for the fiftieth anniversary. I want to
thank Universal for giving me the permission to do it.
We're doing it for free. We're recreating Amity Island and
it's going to be fun. So we want to invite
everybody October fourth. The gates open at three o'clock. This
(09:05):
is free for all families. The movie starts when the
lights you know when it gets started. But we've got
some fun little surprises in store for everybody, So it's
going to be where do they find more? Come to
my website Moez dot org, or you can go to
my Instagram em around CD seven, but we've got it
available and we've got some fun promos that are coming
(09:26):
along as well.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You sure do say your name, pretty girl.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I say it the way my parents.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I don't want to risk a twisted tongue.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Can I ask something, yes, Amy k King Monica, When
you say there's fun surprises and it has to do
with Jaws and it's near the water, what.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Do you mean, well, you have to come and find out.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I don't want to spoil the surprises, but I will
just say we are going to make it more movie
like than if you just went to any other ordinary
cool to watch a movie. I'll just say that I'm
scared it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Line shirk. Let's talk with doctor Jim Keeney. Oh doctor,
how are you?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Neil?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm doing good, good good here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So Thailand Hall has been in the news, or as
the President says, is side uh title and all I
think he genuinely we all have the words that we
can't say, but I think cidneam inefit is one of his.
And uh. We talked about this yesterday because the studies
(10:40):
don't seem to go along with this particular conclusion.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
What say you, good, doc?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah? So, I mean there are a lot of studies
that I'm out there of varying quality, by the way,
and so you know, the one most recent and the
one that has probably the highest quality is a study
from Sweden that had two point five million children in it,
and they controlled for some variables that other studies didn't,
you know, because what they looked at were siblings. And
(11:09):
it was a what we call prospective studies. So we
followed them and we followed families and saw did the
did the mother use tail and all before she would
you know, during the time she was pregnant, And that
way you have kind of a prospective look at this.
You're not it's not observational. You're not looking back and saying, hey,
(11:30):
did you do you remember if you used tilan al
during pregnancy? You may or may not remember that, or
you may remember it incorrectly. So that study showed no
real relationship at all between tailanol and autism, and and
that's probably one of the best ones. There are some
other ones that show mixed reviews that some do show
(11:52):
that there may be an association mild association. Now remember
association doesn't mean cause, but.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's it's caused.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
To look at it and go, huh, there might be
something there. You know, For example, a rooster crows, the
sun comes up, the rooster is associated with the sun
coming up, but it didn't make the sun come up, right.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
No, But did the sun coming up make the rooster crow?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, exactly, So you've got to look at these things.
You just don't know which way it goes. And for example,
did the fever that the mother took the tailant all
for caused the problem or was it the time and all?
So you know, it's hard to conduct real world studies
that don't control for everything. The sweetest study did a
really good job. The other one did a decent job,
(12:36):
but the best study and the biggest by far, because
the other studies of show association have a thousand kids
or less in them, and it's had two point five million.
So you know, again, living life has risk and is dangerous.
So we're not saying that tailand all has zero risk
when you're pregnant, for sure. There's no doctor on a
(12:56):
planet that will say that, or if they did, they'd
be wrong. So you know, we know that there's risk
in life and we're weighing the risk. So if you're
pregnant and you have a fever, we know that there's
good studies to show that fever during pregnancy increase the
risk to the feet of for a lot of different things,
including zeral tube defects and other neurologic issues. So do
we treat it? Do we not treat it? There are
(13:18):
no studies that show whether treating a fever in pregnancy
with tailanol is protective, but you assume that lowering the
fever would help. We don't know that for sure, though,
but are your best judgment?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Are there other medications that would do that that are
not a cind ofminifit.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, and they also have risk, right, So silent al
motread all of those and most are not recommended, you know,
during pregnancy to be used for fever. Right now, the
safest drugs used is Thilanol is recommended by the American
College of obgy Ns, It's recommended by pediatrics, it's it's
recommended by every major society because you know, and again,
(13:58):
trying to do a study where we look in see, hey,
maybe we leave the pregnant woman with a fever untreated,
we would have a really hard time getting that past
a Human Subjects Protection Committee which SURE or an IRB,
because every human study has to pass that level of ethics,
and leaving a pregnant mother untreated with a fever right now,
(14:19):
probably would be considered too unethical to, you know, to
randomize someone and force them not to treat their fever.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, do no harm, right, Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
But are these doctors that's that went to twelve to
eighteen years of schooling? Are these real doctors that sit
on the toilet and scan through the internet?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
How much doctors are we doctors?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Okay, I'm going to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I'm just saying because there's a difference, right, There's a
lot of people that are sitting on the toilet reading
the internet that are doctors now in their heads.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So I just wanted to make sure you've been listening
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