April 16, 2025 • 21 mins
(April 16, 2025)
The perfect pop star for a dumb stunt, Katy Perry is exactly the kind of celebrity to go to space. Activists warn Police Commission about ICE access to LAPD data on immigrants. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about full body MRI’s and whether they are doing more harm than good.
The perfect pop star for a dumb stunt, Katy Perry is exactly the kind of celebrity to go to space. Activists warn Police Commission about ICE access to LAPD data on immigrants. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about full body MRI’s and whether they are doing more harm than good.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle. Here there's an article
in the Atlantic by Ellen Cushing. It's an op ed
piece they have to share with you. Usually I don't
do op ed pieces, but usually they are factual pieces
I talk about. But this one I thought was so hilarious.
And Katy Perry in and of herself is hilarious and well,
(00:28):
if you look at any social media about the six
women astronauts going up in Blue Origin Bezos's rocket ship,
she was one of them. And everybody brings something that
floats around the cabin, a little medallion or something. She
brought up a daisy because her daughter is named Daisy.
(00:52):
She wore a skin tight space shut a space suit
custom made.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
By the designer months or months. Ay.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now this crew all female crew. There was an aerospace engineer,
a one time nominee for Nobel Peace Price. Now let
me tell you about the Nobel Peace Prize business. Anybody
can be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. I was
nominated for a Nobel Peace Price. You were, I certainly was.
(01:21):
He's got I certainly was for what it was The
work that I did in the world of third party reproduction.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh but let me tell you not to do with
the radio No no, or was it? I don't even remember.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But here is the story, and you know what, I
may do the story in this will do the police
Commission story tomorrow because I want to get into Katie
Perry and what happened. But I'm going to spend a
minute talking about the Nobel Peace Prize and what it is.
The Nobel Peace Prize rules for nominee is that any
(01:57):
elected official state government or federal government or local government
can nominate someone and that becomes a nominee. Any professor
from an accredited university can nominate someone for the Nobel
Peace Prize. And the story of how I got nominated.
(02:20):
I don't know if you remember the story of Tuki Williams,
the guy who was executed and he had killed the
police officer and there was some doubt as to his
conviction and there was an uproar about him being put
to death, and there were demonstrations, and he had written
a bunch of children's books while he was in prison,
(02:42):
and he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for
doing his work in prison. Was awaiting his death, and
people made a very big deal about.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
His nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
His girlfriend went on media all the time, I'm screaming,
Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Nobel Peace Prize nominee. So like, okay,
So how do you get yourself nominated for the Nobel
Peace Prize. We contacted a congress person, a congressman to
nominate me. Now, it was a letter from Congress nominating me.
But let me tell you, the congressman himself redacted his
(03:21):
name when we issued the press the press release, name gone.
It was covered up with a black marking pen. Yes,
and I local news did a story of how I
became a Nobel Price Nobel Peace Prize nominee. They get
(03:44):
thousands and thousands of these a year. I'll tell you
the hard part is not figuring out who the last
dozen are. The hard part is going through the two
hundred thousand that are people are nominated. I'm assuming that
I didn't make it very high.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
In why did I use that as what? As a
moniker Nobel Peace Prize nominee. Yeah, Bill handled Nobel Peace
Prize nominee.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what I I just not I just might
no one would take me seriously. You think I'd be kidding,
and I'm not. I'm a genuine Nobel Peace Prize nominee.
A congressman nominated me and then felt shame. Yes, oh yeah, wouldn't.
His name could not be used, There's no question. I
(04:31):
mean it was used when it was sent to the
committee in Sweden.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
That was legitimate.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But no, but you were like coyote, ugly, like he
chewed off his arm, not to yeah, have his name.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So anyway, there was a Nobel Peace Prize nominee there.
I don't even know who it was, any Kate in
any case, Now I went there.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Didn't I You're stupid? Damn it?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I went there, okay, us starting or talking about kind
of stupid. Katy Perry is the topic of an op
ed piece in the Atlantic, And usually I don't do
these when a single.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Person writes an opbed piece.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But based on the fact that the response to Katy
Perry going up in the Blue Origin rocket ship, what
she did and what followed immediately cause and uproar on
social media, all of it making fun of her and everybody,
(05:34):
all these astronauts, and they were up for eleven minutes,
and I think wait lists for three minutes and I'm
just going to and people pay fortal cost twenty million
dollars of the insane. She brought instead of a medal
or a little token, she brought up a daisy because
her daughter is named Daisy. And she was looking down
(05:56):
on the earth and she started singing, Well, he's been
singing since she was a kid at a Pentecostal church
that her parents belonged to. And she talked about singing
from her heart and what was before her eyes the world. Okay,
I mean people do that, except she sang about the world.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Right, it's a whole New World Disney song.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
She lands back on earth, kisses the ground much like
the pope does.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, she was the little drama. Yeah she sang about
She said, I kissed the world and I liked it.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, that's very And after being I asked by a
reporter because she's now officially an astronaut, you know you
get your astronaut's wings when you go above whatever number
of miles above the earth, she said that the experience
showed her how much love you have to give and
how loved you are. What by going up in space
all of a Sudden You're loved for eleven minutes, and
(06:56):
people have been mocking her like crazy. Also, she said
that she was studying string theory to prepare her pet.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Really, that's what she's quoted as saying.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
One engineer said, as an engineer, I'm disgusted by the
way string theory is probably not a prerequisite for going
up into space and just sitting around.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Perry became famous twenty years ago, as you know, and
this story is about what happened twenty years ago, and
it's true.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Pop music, Well, it was dumber back then, and it
was the world got a lot more sophisticated.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
She didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
At some point all of us started demanding, like, for example,
who celebrities were.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Voting for, what their views were.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
New crop of singers Chappelle, Roan Rowan, you've got Sabrina
Carpenter Chapel, Sorry about that, Billie Eilish. They're just sharper
and they're just more in tune than the pop stars
of twenty years ago. I mean, you go back way
back when it was just you know, Moonspoon June kind
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of stuff. Her most recent album is described as a bouncy,
brain dead pan or pan to pleasure in uncomplicated empowerment.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I have to share this with you because I live
with this, writer said.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's lead single Woman's World has lyrics like an ad
for panteliners and a beat like the preset on a
child's electric keyboard.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You gotta admit that's that's pretty out there. That really is.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Didn't she announce what the song list was for her
new album, There is just it wasn't just like a
big pr thing for her.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I don't and I don't pay attention. I just I
was just looking at this article of this op ed piece. Now,
let's talk about sophistication. Okay, a couple things about what
she has done. First of all, she showed up at
a met gala dressed like a Hamburger.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay, not the end of the world. But during her.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Act in Las Vegas, you talk about sophistication. Now, keep
in mind, you've got Taylor Swift that has the production
that is beyond insane, and you've got other rock stars
in Las Vegas. Part of her act was she sat
next to a sixteen foot toilet, talking to a turd,
talking to a guy dressed like poop man.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I just described my job. It does. Oh that's very funny. Okay,
where's your toilet? All right?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
See that's not true.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
See you get the facts right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Coming up, Jim Keeney, and we've got some things to
talk about, the autism story, full body Mr Eyes got
a story to share with you.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Boy, this morning is full of personal stories, and that's different.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
This morning.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
We had the dog story. We had all kinds of stories.
Nobel Prize nominee. All right, now it's time for a
medical news doctor Jim Keeney every Wednesday. Jim is chief
Medical Officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach.
Jim is also an er doctor and so is news
(10:25):
is fit to print? Jim, Good morning, Good morning Bill. Okay, Now,
this story and I've been following this story for many
many years. Full body Mr I's and I don't know
if I told you this story about Marjorie and having
a full body MRI. I was once involved with the
company that did these and we both ended up with
(10:49):
the full body scan and they found with her carsonoids,
these little lesions that would have absolutely turned in to
lung cancer. And with lung cancer, you don't know the
symptoms until it's almost too late. And it was if
you talk to her, even though she's lost part of
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lung and you ask her, she'll goo that was a
joke about her inability to breathe. That didn't work, but
we tried anyway. Yeah, the argument is the question is
are they more harmful than good? And you and I
have talked about this before, so I want you to
(11:31):
comment on full body on MRIs sure.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean I also have access and probably could get
one for a very reasonable price, and I've never done
it because that you got to understand screening tests right there.
So first of all, you can get people like Marjorie,
and she kind of won the lottery, right it was
one of those people that rarely found something significant that
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was correct and was actually there, and you were able
to change something, I assume based on what she found.
But for the overwhelming majority of people either either going
to not find anything, or they're going to find something
that's not real or that's not there. You know, like
you find a little clumps of tissue that looks like
a tumor, but it's not cancerous, it's not a problem,
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and now you're going to get biopsies and do all
this other stuff for no reason at all. You're going
to go through the emotional anxiety. So you know, people say, well,
that's ridiculous. Wouldn't you rather know than not? Right?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Wuldn't you rather know? Because what's the worst case scenario?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You find out you do a biopsy pain pain in
the ass as well as painful, and then you're paying
whatever medical costs. But then you go at least it
went the right way as opposed to not having done
it and it would have been a real problem.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So I mean there's probably some people that would take
that approach, and you know, if you have the time,
money and effort, go to town. But I don't want my
health insurance premiums to go up because a bunch of
people want to feel better about themselves after getting this MRI.
Because number one, the MRI is this is a big view, right.
It's not a focused view of your lungs or your
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liver or your kidney. It's kind of an overview of
the body. So it's not the detailed MRI that you
get when you get an MRI of your lungs or
an MRI just looking at your kidneys. It's completely different
than that, so it can number one. So think about
a screening test is like a ven diagram or some
overlapping circles. Right, you got two overlapping circles. You got
a part on the left. It's by itself that would
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be false negative. So it was negative, but we missed it.
There's something there. Then you got the far right. It's
false positive. You know it was positive, but it's not
real and you're wasting your time. And then the overlap
is the true findings, right, the true positives, true negatives,
And you'd hope that the circles perfectly overlap, so everything
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is either true positive or true negative. But that's not
the case in any test. There's no such test that's
like that. And this test is particularly low on its
on it's what we call sensitivity. It's it has a
high false positive rate and it has a relatively high
false negative rate as well, So you may be reassured.
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And if it's just you know, and the advantage is
it's only rate, it's only magnetic radiation, so probably nothing
bad will happen from you just by getting this thing.
It's the it's the problems that happen afterwards. That when
you get by biopsy, by the way, that's taking a
chunk of your tissue out of your body. So it's
a procedure that definitely has has bad effects. I mean,
(14:39):
when you do one in the liver, the liver is
so filled with vasculature that your chances of hitting an
artery are kind of high. And then now you have
bleeding and you have a blood transfusion, and you have
all you have to have open surgery to try and
stop the bleeding. I mean, bad things can happen.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
All right, let's take a break. You just you have
convinced me even more to do it. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Jim. We got news yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Actually I had RFK Junior, who is my favorite Human
Health and Human Services secretary, because man, we do a
good job with these cabinet positions, don't we.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well what he's done for your show is incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, he's really helped. Just a quick aside, I was
just in the elite. You were there and I had
gotten married, and as we went around. I don't know
if you talk to people, but in reference to what's
going on in this country, it wasn't good bad. It
was we don't understand. We just don't get it. What
the hell is going on? And one of the we
(15:43):
don't get it is RFK Junior and his comments yesterday
about autism, starting with it used to be one in
I don't know how many thousands of kids were diagnosed,
and now it's come down to one in thirty one children,
and he has called this an pandemic.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Your comments, plase.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean I don't understand how someone has parlayed
a complete lack of understanding of certain things into some
type of special understanding that no one else. You know
that as if you know his understanding is above and
beyond everyone else. I mean, it is true, huge jump
in diagnosis over time, right, So in two thousand it
(16:23):
was one in one hundred and fifty and like you
said before the break, now it's about one in thirty.
It's a fivefold increase. That's not necessarily because there's more cases.
There's clearly better awareness, right. I mean we used to
just call people like this quirky. Now we realize they're neurodiverse.
There's something different there. Their brain operates on a different
operating system that we have more access to screening and
(16:47):
services now, I mean, there was a think about that
fell under psychiatric care before, and psychiatric care still hasn't
come up to what we need it to be to
really serve the public as well as it should. And
so now it's actually it's not just a psychiatric disorder,
this is this is a medical disorder with a neurodiverse brain.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It's different.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And then we've broadened the definition of Asperger's and they
call it Asperger's spectrum disease or autism spectrum disease, and
that was broadened in twenty thirteen. So you know, we
because of all these things, we're getting more diagnoses. But
I mean, actually you should have you know, what's her name,
(17:29):
Mary Temple Grandin that you should have her on the show.
She is incredible. She's an autistic woman who is well spoken,
and she really explains how neurodiversity is just a different brain.
And I think it's much more common than we think.
And there's probably a lot of people running around who
are high functioning who are operating on this different operating system.
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And so I think the diagnosis of autism spectrum disease
is going to increase even further. But we may find out.
Not let me tell you when you're autistic dealing with
a neuro typical person can be challenging because they don't
get it, and vice versa. Right when you're neurotypical, dealing
with someone on the autism spectrum may be challenging, but
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it just because they're different with each other doesn't mean
that one is right and one is wrong. I'm really
not convinced that that yet, that the autistic ones are
the broken ones, because they're the ones like Mary Temple
Grandin that are inventing new and amazing stuff. She actually says,
if there were no neurodiverse cavemen, we'd probably still be
sitting around using stone utensils and not using fire to
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cook our food.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If I interview her, would she would she look at
me in the eye.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't know now I don't either speaking in large audiences,
and so I think she doesn't have to look Actually,
she mentioned that one of her talks, I don't have
to look you in the eye.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's great, hey, you know just I have shared this
story with you. My dad.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It turns out, in retrospect, was severely bipolar, and that
didn't exist as a dietnosis. No one knew from bipolarity,
and certainly no one. There was no medication to deal
with it, and here was someone who had we had
the information, would have been part of this world of
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psychiatric disorders. So, you know, if we go back, as
you pointed out, if we go back twenty thirty forty
years ago, the number of people who were autistic, are artistic,
are autistic had to be astronomical relative to today, well
relative to.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
What we thought, relative to what we thought, and it
may not be as big of an increase as we think.
We're just doing a better job of identifying it and helping,
you know, especially the more severe autism where they're having
difficulty functioning in society or functioning in school, learning problems,
speech problems where they can't actually talk. That you know,
we're getting better at helping those people. You know, we
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know now that if you intervene early with a child
who's having communication difficulty, you can really change the outcome.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So bottom line is that RFK Junior is a fruitcake?
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Well, I mean he's just barking up the wrong tree.
It's like, you know, it's not an epidemic. An epidemic
is when something is an outbreak, right, it's suddenly happening.
It may appear from the outside as an epidemic, and
I'm not sure epidemic implies that it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Again, I think humans were possibly made to have some
level of autism spectrum disorder. And it's the people who
are the more severe. They're having trouble functioning in society.
They need help. But the other ones like Mary Temple
Grand and I don't think she needs any help.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Okay, Jim, we'll talk again next Wednesday. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
As usual, you have a good day. And it's always
killed somebody for me. Okay, oh my god, Okay, We're done.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That doesn't matter you like seriously, he's in the R.
How bipolar was your dad? Yeah, well not as bipolar
as I am. He Jim is in the R. What
do you think we talk about when we hang out?
How many people have died in the er and what
he does not do to him he's actually trying to
save lives.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't work, and were I talk
about those a lot. All right, We're done, guys, Pheene.
Tomorrow morning start all over again. Amy five o'clock wake
up call with Will and then Neil and I jump
in until right now starting at six, and then of
course Kno and Ann are here, that's our show, and
(21:29):
Gary and Shannon at ten o'clock movie and TV production
way down here in particularly southern California. They'll talk about
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle. Here there's an article
in the Atlantic by Ellen Cushing. It's an op ed
piece they have to share with you. Usually I don't
do op ed pieces, but usually they are factual pieces
I talk about. But this one I thought was so hilarious.
And Katy Perry in and of herself is hilarious and well,
(00:28):
if you look at any social media about the six
women astronauts going up in Blue Origin Bezos's rocket ship,
she was one of them. And everybody brings something that
floats around the cabin, a little medallion or something. She
brought up a daisy because her daughter is named Daisy.
(00:52):
She wore a skin tight space shut a space suit
custom made.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
By the designer months or months. Ay.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now this crew all female crew. There was an aerospace engineer,
a one time nominee for Nobel Peace Price. Now let
me tell you about the Nobel Peace Prize business. Anybody
can be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. I was
nominated for a Nobel Peace Price. You were, I certainly was.
(01:21):
He's got I certainly was for what it was The
work that I did in the world of third party reproduction.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh but let me tell you not to do with
the radio No no, or was it? I don't even remember.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But here is the story, and you know what, I
may do the story in this will do the police
Commission story tomorrow because I want to get into Katie
Perry and what happened. But I'm going to spend a
minute talking about the Nobel Peace Prize and what it is.
The Nobel Peace Prize rules for nominee is that any
(01:57):
elected official state government or federal government or local government
can nominate someone and that becomes a nominee. Any professor
from an accredited university can nominate someone for the Nobel
Peace Prize. And the story of how I got nominated.
(02:20):
I don't know if you remember the story of Tuki Williams,
the guy who was executed and he had killed the
police officer and there was some doubt as to his
conviction and there was an uproar about him being put
to death, and there were demonstrations, and he had written
a bunch of children's books while he was in prison,
(02:42):
and he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for
doing his work in prison. Was awaiting his death, and
people made a very big deal about.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
His nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
His girlfriend went on media all the time, I'm screaming,
Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Nobel Peace Prize nominee. So like, okay,
So how do you get yourself nominated for the Nobel
Peace Prize. We contacted a congress person, a congressman to
nominate me. Now, it was a letter from Congress nominating me.
But let me tell you, the congressman himself redacted his
(03:21):
name when we issued the press the press release, name gone.
It was covered up with a black marking pen. Yes,
and I local news did a story of how I
became a Nobel Price Nobel Peace Prize nominee. They get
(03:44):
thousands and thousands of these a year. I'll tell you
the hard part is not figuring out who the last
dozen are. The hard part is going through the two
hundred thousand that are people are nominated. I'm assuming that
I didn't make it very high.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
In why did I use that as what? As a
moniker Nobel Peace Prize nominee. Yeah, Bill handled Nobel Peace
Prize nominee.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what I I just not I just might
no one would take me seriously. You think I'd be kidding,
and I'm not. I'm a genuine Nobel Peace Prize nominee.
A congressman nominated me and then felt shame. Yes, oh yeah, wouldn't.
His name could not be used, There's no question. I
(04:31):
mean it was used when it was sent to the
committee in Sweden.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
That was legitimate.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But no, but you were like coyote, ugly, like he
chewed off his arm, not to yeah, have his name.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So anyway, there was a Nobel Peace Prize nominee there.
I don't even know who it was, any Kate in
any case, Now I went there.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Didn't I You're stupid? Damn it?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I went there, okay, us starting or talking about kind
of stupid. Katy Perry is the topic of an op
ed piece in the Atlantic, And usually I don't do
these when a single.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Person writes an opbed piece.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But based on the fact that the response to Katy
Perry going up in the Blue Origin rocket ship, what
she did and what followed immediately cause and uproar on
social media, all of it making fun of her and everybody,
(05:34):
all these astronauts, and they were up for eleven minutes,
and I think wait lists for three minutes and I'm
just going to and people pay fortal cost twenty million
dollars of the insane. She brought instead of a medal
or a little token, she brought up a daisy because
her daughter is named Daisy. And she was looking down
(05:56):
on the earth and she started singing, Well, he's been
singing since she was a kid at a Pentecostal church
that her parents belonged to. And she talked about singing
from her heart and what was before her eyes the world. Okay,
I mean people do that, except she sang about the world.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Right, it's a whole New World Disney song.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
She lands back on earth, kisses the ground much like
the pope does.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, she was the little drama. Yeah she sang about
She said, I kissed the world and I liked it.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, that's very And after being I asked by a
reporter because she's now officially an astronaut, you know you
get your astronaut's wings when you go above whatever number
of miles above the earth, she said that the experience
showed her how much love you have to give and
how loved you are. What by going up in space
all of a Sudden You're loved for eleven minutes, and
(06:56):
people have been mocking her like crazy. Also, she said
that she was studying string theory to prepare her pet.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Really, that's what she's quoted as saying.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
One engineer said, as an engineer, I'm disgusted by the
way string theory is probably not a prerequisite for going
up into space and just sitting around.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Perry became famous twenty years ago, as you know, and
this story is about what happened twenty years ago, and
it's true.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Pop music, Well, it was dumber back then, and it
was the world got a lot more sophisticated.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
She didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
At some point all of us started demanding, like, for example,
who celebrities were.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Voting for, what their views were.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
New crop of singers Chappelle, Roan Rowan, you've got Sabrina
Carpenter Chapel, Sorry about that, Billie Eilish. They're just sharper
and they're just more in tune than the pop stars
of twenty years ago. I mean, you go back way
back when it was just you know, Moonspoon June kind
(08:12):
of stuff. Her most recent album is described as a bouncy,
brain dead pan or pan to pleasure in uncomplicated empowerment.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I have to share this with you because I live
with this, writer said.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's lead single Woman's World has lyrics like an ad
for panteliners and a beat like the preset on a
child's electric keyboard.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You gotta admit that's that's pretty out there. That really is.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Didn't she announce what the song list was for her
new album, There is just it wasn't just like a
big pr thing for her.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I don't and I don't pay attention. I just I
was just looking at this article of this op ed piece. Now,
let's talk about sophistication. Okay, a couple things about what
she has done. First of all, she showed up at
a met gala dressed like a Hamburger.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay, not the end of the world. But during her.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Act in Las Vegas, you talk about sophistication. Now, keep
in mind, you've got Taylor Swift that has the production
that is beyond insane, and you've got other rock stars
in Las Vegas. Part of her act was she sat
next to a sixteen foot toilet, talking to a turd,
talking to a guy dressed like poop man.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I just described my job. It does. Oh that's very funny. Okay,
where's your toilet? All right?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
See that's not true.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
See you get the facts right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Coming up, Jim Keeney, and we've got some things to
talk about, the autism story, full body Mr Eyes got
a story to share with you.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Boy, this morning is full of personal stories, and that's different.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
This morning.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
We had the dog story. We had all kinds of stories.
Nobel Prize nominee. All right, now it's time for a
medical news doctor Jim Keeney every Wednesday. Jim is chief
Medical Officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach.
Jim is also an er doctor and so is news
(10:25):
is fit to print? Jim, Good morning, Good morning Bill. Okay, Now,
this story and I've been following this story for many
many years. Full body Mr I's and I don't know
if I told you this story about Marjorie and having
a full body MRI. I was once involved with the
company that did these and we both ended up with
(10:49):
the full body scan and they found with her carsonoids,
these little lesions that would have absolutely turned in to
lung cancer. And with lung cancer, you don't know the
symptoms until it's almost too late. And it was if
you talk to her, even though she's lost part of
(11:11):
lung and you ask her, she'll goo that was a
joke about her inability to breathe. That didn't work, but
we tried anyway. Yeah, the argument is the question is
are they more harmful than good? And you and I
have talked about this before, so I want you to
(11:31):
comment on full body on MRIs sure.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean I also have access and probably could get
one for a very reasonable price, and I've never done
it because that you got to understand screening tests right there.
So first of all, you can get people like Marjorie,
and she kind of won the lottery, right it was
one of those people that rarely found something significant that
(11:57):
was correct and was actually there, and you were able
to change something, I assume based on what she found.
But for the overwhelming majority of people either either going
to not find anything, or they're going to find something
that's not real or that's not there. You know, like
you find a little clumps of tissue that looks like
a tumor, but it's not cancerous, it's not a problem,
(12:20):
and now you're going to get biopsies and do all
this other stuff for no reason at all. You're going
to go through the emotional anxiety. So you know, people say, well,
that's ridiculous. Wouldn't you rather know than not? Right?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Wuldn't you rather know? Because what's the worst case scenario?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You find out you do a biopsy pain pain in
the ass as well as painful, and then you're paying
whatever medical costs. But then you go at least it
went the right way as opposed to not having done
it and it would have been a real problem.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So I mean there's probably some people that would take
that approach, and you know, if you have the time,
money and effort, go to town. But I don't want my
health insurance premiums to go up because a bunch of
people want to feel better about themselves after getting this MRI.
Because number one, the MRI is this is a big view, right.
It's not a focused view of your lungs or your
(13:13):
liver or your kidney. It's kind of an overview of
the body. So it's not the detailed MRI that you
get when you get an MRI of your lungs or
an MRI just looking at your kidneys. It's completely different
than that, so it can number one. So think about
a screening test is like a ven diagram or some
overlapping circles. Right, you got two overlapping circles. You got
a part on the left. It's by itself that would
(13:35):
be false negative. So it was negative, but we missed it.
There's something there. Then you got the far right. It's
false positive. You know it was positive, but it's not
real and you're wasting your time. And then the overlap
is the true findings, right, the true positives, true negatives,
And you'd hope that the circles perfectly overlap, so everything
(13:57):
is either true positive or true negative. But that's not
the case in any test. There's no such test that's
like that. And this test is particularly low on its
on it's what we call sensitivity. It's it has a
high false positive rate and it has a relatively high
false negative rate as well, So you may be reassured.
(14:18):
And if it's just you know, and the advantage is
it's only rate, it's only magnetic radiation, so probably nothing
bad will happen from you just by getting this thing.
It's the it's the problems that happen afterwards. That when
you get by biopsy, by the way, that's taking a
chunk of your tissue out of your body. So it's
a procedure that definitely has has bad effects. I mean,
(14:39):
when you do one in the liver, the liver is
so filled with vasculature that your chances of hitting an
artery are kind of high. And then now you have
bleeding and you have a blood transfusion, and you have
all you have to have open surgery to try and
stop the bleeding. I mean, bad things can happen.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
All right, let's take a break. You just you have
convinced me even more to do it. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Jim. We got news yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Actually I had RFK Junior, who is my favorite Human
Health and Human Services secretary, because man, we do a
good job with these cabinet positions, don't we.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well what he's done for your show is incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, he's really helped. Just a quick aside, I was
just in the elite. You were there and I had
gotten married, and as we went around. I don't know
if you talk to people, but in reference to what's
going on in this country, it wasn't good bad. It
was we don't understand. We just don't get it. What
the hell is going on? And one of the we
(15:43):
don't get it is RFK Junior and his comments yesterday
about autism, starting with it used to be one in
I don't know how many thousands of kids were diagnosed,
and now it's come down to one in thirty one children,
and he has called this an pandemic.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Your comments, plase.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean I don't understand how someone has parlayed
a complete lack of understanding of certain things into some
type of special understanding that no one else. You know
that as if you know his understanding is above and
beyond everyone else. I mean, it is true, huge jump
in diagnosis over time, right, So in two thousand it
(16:23):
was one in one hundred and fifty and like you
said before the break, now it's about one in thirty.
It's a fivefold increase. That's not necessarily because there's more cases.
There's clearly better awareness, right. I mean we used to
just call people like this quirky. Now we realize they're neurodiverse.
There's something different there. Their brain operates on a different
operating system that we have more access to screening and
(16:47):
services now, I mean, there was a think about that
fell under psychiatric care before, and psychiatric care still hasn't
come up to what we need it to be to
really serve the public as well as it should. And
so now it's actually it's not just a psychiatric disorder,
this is this is a medical disorder with a neurodiverse brain.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It's different.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And then we've broadened the definition of Asperger's and they
call it Asperger's spectrum disease or autism spectrum disease, and
that was broadened in twenty thirteen. So you know, we
because of all these things, we're getting more diagnoses. But
I mean, actually you should have you know, what's her name,
(17:29):
Mary Temple Grandin that you should have her on the show.
She is incredible. She's an autistic woman who is well spoken,
and she really explains how neurodiversity is just a different brain.
And I think it's much more common than we think.
And there's probably a lot of people running around who
are high functioning who are operating on this different operating system.
(17:51):
And so I think the diagnosis of autism spectrum disease
is going to increase even further. But we may find out.
Not let me tell you when you're autistic dealing with
a neuro typical person can be challenging because they don't
get it, and vice versa. Right when you're neurotypical, dealing
with someone on the autism spectrum may be challenging, but
(18:13):
it just because they're different with each other doesn't mean
that one is right and one is wrong. I'm really
not convinced that that yet, that the autistic ones are
the broken ones, because they're the ones like Mary Temple
Grandin that are inventing new and amazing stuff. She actually says,
if there were no neurodiverse cavemen, we'd probably still be
sitting around using stone utensils and not using fire to
(18:34):
cook our food.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If I interview her, would she would she look at
me in the eye.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't know now I don't either speaking in large audiences,
and so I think she doesn't have to look Actually,
she mentioned that one of her talks, I don't have
to look you in the eye.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's great, hey, you know just I have shared this
story with you. My dad.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It turns out, in retrospect, was severely bipolar, and that
didn't exist as a dietnosis. No one knew from bipolarity,
and certainly no one. There was no medication to deal
with it, and here was someone who had we had
the information, would have been part of this world of
(19:15):
psychiatric disorders. So, you know, if we go back, as
you pointed out, if we go back twenty thirty forty
years ago, the number of people who were autistic, are artistic,
are autistic had to be astronomical relative to today, well
relative to.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
What we thought, relative to what we thought, and it
may not be as big of an increase as we think.
We're just doing a better job of identifying it and helping,
you know, especially the more severe autism where they're having
difficulty functioning in society or functioning in school, learning problems,
speech problems where they can't actually talk. That you know,
we're getting better at helping those people. You know, we
(19:53):
know now that if you intervene early with a child
who's having communication difficulty, you can really change the outcome.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So bottom line is that RFK Junior is a fruitcake?
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Well, I mean he's just barking up the wrong tree.
It's like, you know, it's not an epidemic. An epidemic
is when something is an outbreak, right, it's suddenly happening.
It may appear from the outside as an epidemic, and
I'm not sure epidemic implies that it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Again, I think humans were possibly made to have some
level of autism spectrum disorder. And it's the people who
are the more severe. They're having trouble functioning in society.
They need help. But the other ones like Mary Temple
Grand and I don't think she needs any help.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Okay, Jim, we'll talk again next Wednesday. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
As usual, you have a good day. And it's always
killed somebody for me. Okay, oh my god, Okay, We're done.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That doesn't matter you like seriously, he's in the R.
How bipolar was your dad? Yeah, well not as bipolar
as I am. He Jim is in the R. What
do you think we talk about when we hang out?
How many people have died in the er and what
he does not do to him he's actually trying to
save lives.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't work, and were I talk
about those a lot. All right, We're done, guys, Pheene.
Tomorrow morning start all over again. Amy five o'clock wake
up call with Will and then Neil and I jump
in until right now starting at six, and then of
course Kno and Ann are here, that's our show, and
(21:29):
Gary and Shannon at ten o'clock movie and TV production
way down here in particularly southern California. They'll talk about
why this is KFI Am six.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
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Speaker 2 (21:43):
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