September 9, 2025 • 23 mins
(Sept 09,2025)
Pig kidney transplants take a step forward with approval of human trials. California lawmakers pass ban on popular puppy sales websites. Locked-up merchandise is driving customers away. The appeal of staring at flight maps from your airplane seat.
Pig kidney transplants take a step forward with approval of human trials. California lawmakers pass ban on popular puppy sales websites. Locked-up merchandise is driving customers away. The appeal of staring at flight maps from your airplane seat.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI A
M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yoh. Nice music, there you go, KFI AM six forty Oh.
Everybody's dancing, yeah, in their chairs actually and is standing
up and dancing. Okay, this is a story, and Neil
will tell you about this because well he'll tell you
his experience. And let's start with scientists are making progress
(00:35):
with research on how well pig organs could perform in humans,
and now they're ready for the next step, large scale
clinical trials.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Now pig organs.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, for example, if you get a I have
pig organs, I have my ortic valve is a pig valve,
and they and they're genetically modified pigs, although it's a
little bit different with valves because they only use cartilage.
But the point is is that pigs, their organs are
as close to humans as really any animal, I mean,
(01:09):
short of maybe chimpanzees.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, I even think that organs pigs.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I think pigs are a better analog for humans.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I think they are.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think Neil can talk about this because Neil, as
you know, has a kidney that belonged belonged to someone else.
He went on eBay and was able to secure kidney
for a reasonable price.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You gotta love the Internet.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's just great. But I'd take a pigny. I'd take
a pigny if I could get one.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean obviously he didn't. So it's organ donation and
no one's all huge money. But Neil, you were very
lucky in that you had someone who volunteered to give
you a kidney and it was early, early days into
your dialysis.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, ten months on day is where my sister was
in thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, how about that average weight three to five years.
Unless you have type old blood then it is ten years.
And most people die, I mean the death rate of
people on dialysis for that long a period.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
They die.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And so there have been a handful of these procedures,
and that only those that have just run out of
every option. I mean, they have no choice, are going
to die or have these procedures, and a couple of
them have actually lived and they are still living. Is
what happened this past summer. One hundred thousand people in
(02:41):
the US are waiting for an organ. Eighty six percent
of those needed kidneys, eighty six thousand people. I mean,
that's a lot of people waiting for it. And the
issue here's the issue. If people automatically were organ donors.
I've often said, you look at my driver's license. I'm
(03:02):
an organ donor. I have been since I've been sixteen
years old. If everybody were an organ donor, and you
could opt out of organ donation, that's your choice.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Are organ problems with the over done? And then can
sit back.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
The technology using these modified pigs is remarkable.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
They're also talking.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
About recreating kidneys in petri dishes and putting them back
into someone's body.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's just it's amazing technology. It really is.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's happening, and so we're getting closer and closer to
these kidney transplants from pigs. And it makes sense because
you don't have to worry about pigs donating their kidneys.
Well you know what, Yeah, they don't have to yea, yeah,
(03:59):
you know for consent.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
When you think generationally, I have polycystic renal disease. There's
seven kids of my family, five of us have it.
My dad had it. Obviously that's it's a genetic disease.
But my grandfather went back to Mexico when he was
done working here. He went back to Mexico. My grandmother stayed,
(04:23):
but he died most likely of polycystic renal disease because
they didn't even have dialysis back then. So generationally, the
fact that that we have dialysis now, we have transplants now,
which are I think only go back transplants probably only
go back to the fifties or so.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, I think for kidnies, so they do how much changed?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, we have a sciences This is where science has great,
great stuff. And Neil and by the way, this Neili.
I don't know if you've ever seen Neil and naked.
I have and it's really no joy to see him naked.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But I've seen you naked.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I know, it's no joy either way.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And you have a small chicken a big nest you.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Thank you for that. So Neil has this sort of bump.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It looks like he has a hunchback on his body,
you know, young Frankenstein. You imagine Igor, except not on
his neck but sticking out of his side.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You need my kidney faining pack in the front. It
is interesting because they put him in the front. They're
not where that because they keep the other kidneys in there.
So it's in my uh, it's in my front right
hand side that my new kidney is.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
But but hang on it, it's a used kidney. You
did not get a new kidney. You got a used
kidney to me, right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Let me ask you, did you it was a gently
used kidney?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Does so? Are they cheaper? I think they are than
a new kid were.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Live donor, which is pretty rare.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But again, more people, she's you know, yes, she's fantastic,
huge bill handlefan, go figure.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I got that in my body now?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, doesn't that help? All right? So much for that?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
What I do?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yes? More like brothers at this Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, before we get into this story about this new
California bill and puppy sales, Neil, you have an event
coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You want to tell us about it?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, if you're looking for something great to do, man
this event last year was absolutely top notch and it's
going to be the same this year. You've got Manhattan
Beach Food and Wine Festival going on this weekend. I'll
be out there on Saturday broadcasting forty six top chefs,
including Antonio Lafaso. She's an amazing chef but a very
(06:49):
kind person as well. You've got Neil Frasier forty wines
and spirits. Tickets include all you can eat and drink.
They're going fast. I encourage you to go to Manhattan
Beach Food and Wine dot com all spelled out Manhattan
Beachfood and Wine dot Com. Get your tickets now and
come by the booth and say hello.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay, let's go back to twenty nineteen. Okay, and what
ended up happening six years ago. California became the first
state in the Union to stop pet stores from selling puppies.
Can't buy puppies and pet stores anymore. And that went
(07:31):
along six years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But what the law.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Didn't anticipate was the Internet and Internet sales of dogs,
particularly puppies. That is, that was a loophole in California.
Now has become the first date to ban middlemen or
to ban internet sales period. And here's what happens. Middlemen
(07:57):
poses local breeders, and that's what the law is supposed
to stop because this is a weird business and frankly,
a lot of it is fraud. There'll be someone in
California and this is advertiser the Internet, and I'm a
local breeder, and in reality they're bringing in dogs from
(08:18):
breeders all over the country and simply lying about where
the dogs come from. So this bill AB five nineteen
is now going to make even that illegal. But i'll
tell you what the controversy is here. There's a company
called puppy Spot that opposed the bill, and they said,
(08:41):
this is a system that works for families. And I
love this part, particularly those specific breeds for allergy concerns.
Of course they go immediately there, we're helping people out.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
One of the things about puppy Spot that it claims
that it maintained internal breeder standards that exceed regulatory mandates.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Puppy Spot is an extraordinary organization. And I know people
that have used puppy Spot and they fly in dogs
on their own airplanes or in their own airplanes, and
it is just an extraordinary This happens to be a
great organization that won't be able to go on the
internet anymore and cannot.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Sell through cannot sell through pet.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Stores, and it's this is a huge deal because a
lot of us own dogs.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
As you know.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It also involves there's another bill that's also with this
that voids pet purchases. These contracts involving California buyers. If
we're asked to pay a non refundable deposit contract isn't
good at all.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
The bill makes the.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Pet seller liable if they fail to disclose the breeder's
name and information and medical information about the dog. Now
keep in mind, just saying that I am a breeder
when you're when I'm not a breeder and I buy
and I'm a wholesaler, that now is illegal. This business
(10:20):
absolutely sucks. It is horrible. Other than Puppy Spot and
a couple of very high end breeders that are basically
put out of business, and they're saying, or at least
in California, they're saying, wait a minute, you know, it's
throwing out the baby with the bathwater or the peppy
with the bathwater. But inevitably that always happens. And so
(10:42):
for those of you that are buying a pet, well,
you can't go to your local pet store. You got
to be very careful about going on the internet. And
you just have to be research, research, research, and I
you know, even go out of state and have your
dog picked up, or you pick up your dog or
(11:04):
have a company like puppy Spot deliver the dogs, and
they do on their own airplanes.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And sometimes first class if they want to pay for it.
Although how do you fly a dog first class?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I guess the seats are wider, maybe the cages, the
crates are wider, the food is better, maybe on first
class for the dogs.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
More legs room.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's not bad. That is not bad, Neal. I hate
that when you come up with something that I wanted
to come up with.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Your life, Your life must suck.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's just it's horrible when you when you do that
to me.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, I wish we could go back in time so
I could come up with that. Okay, here's something that
we have all done, and that is go into a
store and maybe you're buying baby formula or shampoo or toothpaste,
basic toiletry, and there they are like locked behind cabinets,
(12:10):
and how do you get to it. Well, you want
to buy something, you press a button and you wait
for an employee to unlock it. Employees making minimum wage
who are rushing to unlock that because they really care
about you as you sit there with your thumb.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
In any way, this is a problem not only for
retails but for us because you know what, we're not
doing we're not buying, we're not going to those places.
It's too much of a pain. So it is hurt
sales big time. And the other side of it, the
shoplifting is out of control. Now, the National Retail Federation
(12:51):
didn't provide specifics to how many stores lock up their merchandise.
I mean, reporters were asking about it, but the survey
was locked up in a case they wouldn't unlock. But
here is the NRF twenty twenty four study on the
impact of retail theft and violence. Ninety three percent increase
(13:14):
on the number of shoplifting incidents in twenty twenty three
compared to four years earlier, basically doubled, I mean, just crazy.
And so what's happening is we're unhappy about it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
We don't like it. And what do retailers do. It's
it is a lose lose, So they want.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
To stop theft because theft shoplifting.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is out of control. The amount of money they're losing.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But that inconvenience is customer customer, So what do you do?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, they've come up with some kind of plans and
here's a few of them. Retailers are exploring some pretty
costly steps.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
First of all, shatterproof glass for anything.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's expensive because what was that story where a bunch
of these smash and grabs drove their car into a
jewelry store, smashed the front of it in a pile
of people, got out and they stole and they were
dressed as ninjas and they cleaned the place out. So
here is what is happening. Maybe more security guards cost
(14:26):
a fortune. Limited access to the stores, what does that mean? Well,
new apps that allow vetted shoppers to unlock cabinets for
easier access to merchandise. Oh, it's like a clear response
(14:47):
or a clear app. Right when you apply a trusted traveler,
you'll be a trusted shopper and you'll be able to
unload these cabinets, I mean, unlock these cabinets. It's a problem,
by the way, you know, with the winners here, there's
one group of complete total winners on this one, and
that is online shopping. Online shopping is it's the wind.
(15:12):
People don't want to go into stores. I hate going
into stores. The stores are not only losing customers, they're
losing point of sale. You know displays it right there. Well,
I think I'll get that gum. I think I'll buy
that little bag of potato chips. You know, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Thing Bill that I remember going behind the glass were razors. Yeah,
the reasons for razors and and I did that, And
that was before all the plexiglass came out. But I
went straight to online. I don't buy razors in the
store anymore. I just have them delivered because.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I buy mine. I buy mine at Costco.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I don't know how much you know, Costco doesn't have
anything locked up.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It. It just doesn't Now the.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Show ID to get in and get out.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, you have to show, yeah, but how hard is
it to apply for a Costco membership?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
How much background checking do they do?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But how how are you gonna like take a four
gallon tub of mayonnaise out?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Are you gonna steal that?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, the expensive wines. The other day I went to
Costco and I couldn't believe it. A six thousand dollars
bottle of whiskey, Japanese whiskey, suntry whiskey. And they have
some very expensive bottle now though, but other places it'd
(16:37):
be seven thousand. Yes, Now those you have to pick
them up at the merchandise counter. You're not gonna be
able to steal those. But it's I tell you, it's
really difficult.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
And you're right. I have a hard time shopping.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's it's it's difficult because it's so it What bothers
me so.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Much is I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
They're thinking these stores, but they truly get when I
want to look at something razor blades, for example, which
are behind glass, and I'm looking and I have to,
you know, in an emergency, I'll pick some up. Why
do they always send the one person with special needs
at the store to the place where I am to
(17:24):
unlock the cabinet.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's fairly common for if there's a special needs customer
to send a special needs employee.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So that's probably why you're getting them.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Now. I am leaving on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
There's a song there someplace, and I am flying a
fair disiness.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I'll be ten hours on the plane.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I will spend a lot of time staring at
the flight map on the screen shows that little airplane
icon that moves really slowly. And what I do is
I nomically go to I normally go to either London
(18:09):
or whatever in Europe, and we take the polar route,
which means you go across you go through Canada and
then across the Atlantic and then to Greenland, and you
pass Greenland and then you have all of this water
in it's ten hours, and I thought I was crazy.
(18:30):
It is a thing. People do this, and they do
it a lot, and the psychologists are looking at it
is too new to try to figure out what are
you doing. According to flight Path three D, this is
a provider of these in flight maps and they supply
(18:54):
eight ninety airlines. They say sixty eight percent of passengers
open the map on the app and twenty percent look
at only the map. They stare at the map. Now
(19:15):
there are movies going on, You've got books to read,
You've got your laptop. And I don't know how much
internet you can actually do over the ocean.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
We can do it over certainly can do it over
the United States and Canada. And people just stare at
the screen zombie like and the eyes are wide and bulging,
and I thought I was.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The only one doing it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's sort of comforting for some weird reason. I don't
know why, but I like doing it too.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, And you just sit there while a lot of
people say they just zone out, They just absolutely zone out,
and they find it easier to deal with the time
flying staring at a map yep, then watching movies.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Then. I mean, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's like a nineteen forties adventure film where they would
do that to show that they.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Were flying with the little red dots or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, wouldn't that be funny.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
By the way, there are news articles that have been
written about this. Oh the name of the trend. You
know what they call it. It's I didn't know this.
They actually call it. This is called raw dogging. Raw dogging.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well, no, I thought raw dogging is when you don't
look at your phone, you don't look at the screen,
you don't read a book, it's doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I thought raw dogging was a sushi restaurant in Korea,
And I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
With you plenty. That's uncalled for. There's no one completely
to that.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
You're right going on with that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Raw dogging is the name that is used for staring
at the map. I guess you get different kinds of
terms used for different things. By the way, I shouldn't
have said that. I understand that was Here's what ends
up happening is this stuff comes out of my mouth
before I even think.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
You know what. I figured out why you hate Trump
so much? You are Trump. It just flies out of
your mouth. You guys are exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, it does, and I, for some reason, I can't
control it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I don't know why. But anyway, it's called raw dogging.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And I guess there's several different definitions of raw dogging.
And that makes sense when you think about it, because
you're doing nothing. You're just staring at a map. I mean,
that's that's pretty much raw dogging. If you're staring at
a map for ten hours. All right, guys, we're done.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That's it. Phone calls.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I am taking phone calls for handle on the law,
off the air eight seven seven five two zero eleven
fifty eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty. And
if you have marginal legal questions, it's just today and Thursday,
because then I'm gone for a couple of weeks and
Neil will be filling in and he will not be
making ridiculous stupid statements like that. No, No, you don't, No,
(22:13):
you don't. Fingers, you have much better filters than I do.
Eight seven seven five to zero eleven fifty is the number,
and I'm going to start in just a few moments.
Coming up Gary and Shannon. I still have to talk
to Shannon about Brazil and what and how she did
over there or down there.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
That's that's it. Tomorrow morning all over again.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Neil comes aboard with me at six o'clock after wake
up call. Amy and Will and of course Cono and
Ann are here to take care of the show.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
We're done, guys. I've got to, you know, raw dogging.
I've got to be that's enough.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
We're ending the show.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, I've got to be a little more careful, is
what I said. Hey, you've been listening to the Bill
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yoh. Nice music, there you go, KFI AM six forty Oh.
Everybody's dancing, yeah, in their chairs actually and is standing
up and dancing. Okay, this is a story, and Neil
will tell you about this because well he'll tell you
his experience. And let's start with scientists are making progress
(00:35):
with research on how well pig organs could perform in humans,
and now they're ready for the next step, large scale
clinical trials.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Now pig organs.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, for example, if you get a I have
pig organs, I have my ortic valve is a pig valve,
and they and they're genetically modified pigs, although it's a
little bit different with valves because they only use cartilage.
But the point is is that pigs, their organs are
as close to humans as really any animal, I mean,
(01:09):
short of maybe chimpanzees.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, I even think that organs pigs.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I think pigs are a better analog for humans.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I think they are.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think Neil can talk about this because Neil, as
you know, has a kidney that belonged belonged to someone else.
He went on eBay and was able to secure kidney
for a reasonable price.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You gotta love the Internet.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's just great. But I'd take a pigny. I'd take
a pigny if I could get one.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean obviously he didn't. So it's organ donation and
no one's all huge money. But Neil, you were very
lucky in that you had someone who volunteered to give
you a kidney and it was early, early days into
your dialysis.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, ten months on day is where my sister was
in thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, how about that average weight three to five years.
Unless you have type old blood then it is ten years.
And most people die, I mean the death rate of
people on dialysis for that long a period.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
They die.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And so there have been a handful of these procedures,
and that only those that have just run out of
every option. I mean, they have no choice, are going
to die or have these procedures, and a couple of
them have actually lived and they are still living. Is
what happened this past summer. One hundred thousand people in
(02:41):
the US are waiting for an organ. Eighty six percent
of those needed kidneys, eighty six thousand people. I mean,
that's a lot of people waiting for it. And the
issue here's the issue. If people automatically were organ donors.
I've often said, you look at my driver's license. I'm
(03:02):
an organ donor. I have been since I've been sixteen
years old. If everybody were an organ donor, and you
could opt out of organ donation, that's your choice.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Are organ problems with the over done? And then can
sit back.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
The technology using these modified pigs is remarkable.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
They're also talking.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
About recreating kidneys in petri dishes and putting them back
into someone's body.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's just it's amazing technology. It really is.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's happening, and so we're getting closer and closer to
these kidney transplants from pigs. And it makes sense because
you don't have to worry about pigs donating their kidneys.
Well you know what, Yeah, they don't have to yea, yeah,
(03:59):
you know for consent.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
When you think generationally, I have polycystic renal disease. There's
seven kids of my family, five of us have it.
My dad had it. Obviously that's it's a genetic disease.
But my grandfather went back to Mexico when he was
done working here. He went back to Mexico. My grandmother stayed,
(04:23):
but he died most likely of polycystic renal disease because
they didn't even have dialysis back then. So generationally, the
fact that that we have dialysis now, we have transplants now,
which are I think only go back transplants probably only
go back to the fifties or so.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, I think for kidnies, so they do how much changed?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, we have a sciences This is where science has great,
great stuff. And Neil and by the way, this Neili.
I don't know if you've ever seen Neil and naked.
I have and it's really no joy to see him naked.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But I've seen you naked.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I know, it's no joy either way.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And you have a small chicken a big nest you.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Thank you for that. So Neil has this sort of bump.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It looks like he has a hunchback on his body,
you know, young Frankenstein. You imagine Igor, except not on
his neck but sticking out of his side.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You need my kidney faining pack in the front. It
is interesting because they put him in the front. They're
not where that because they keep the other kidneys in there.
So it's in my uh, it's in my front right
hand side that my new kidney is.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
But but hang on it, it's a used kidney. You
did not get a new kidney. You got a used
kidney to me, right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Let me ask you, did you it was a gently
used kidney?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Does so? Are they cheaper? I think they are than
a new kid were.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Live donor, which is pretty rare.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But again, more people, she's you know, yes, she's fantastic,
huge bill handlefan, go figure.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So I got that in my body now?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, doesn't that help? All right? So much for that?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
What I do?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yes? More like brothers at this Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, before we get into this story about this new
California bill and puppy sales, Neil, you have an event
coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You want to tell us about it?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, if you're looking for something great to do, man
this event last year was absolutely top notch and it's
going to be the same this year. You've got Manhattan
Beach Food and Wine Festival going on this weekend. I'll
be out there on Saturday broadcasting forty six top chefs,
including Antonio Lafaso. She's an amazing chef but a very
(06:49):
kind person as well. You've got Neil Frasier forty wines
and spirits. Tickets include all you can eat and drink.
They're going fast. I encourage you to go to Manhattan
Beach Food and Wine dot com all spelled out Manhattan
Beachfood and Wine dot Com. Get your tickets now and
come by the booth and say hello.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay, let's go back to twenty nineteen. Okay, and what
ended up happening six years ago. California became the first
state in the Union to stop pet stores from selling puppies.
Can't buy puppies and pet stores anymore. And that went
(07:31):
along six years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But what the law.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Didn't anticipate was the Internet and Internet sales of dogs,
particularly puppies. That is, that was a loophole in California.
Now has become the first date to ban middlemen or
to ban internet sales period. And here's what happens. Middlemen
(07:57):
poses local breeders, and that's what the law is supposed
to stop because this is a weird business and frankly,
a lot of it is fraud. There'll be someone in
California and this is advertiser the Internet, and I'm a
local breeder, and in reality they're bringing in dogs from
(08:18):
breeders all over the country and simply lying about where
the dogs come from. So this bill AB five nineteen
is now going to make even that illegal. But i'll
tell you what the controversy is here. There's a company
called puppy Spot that opposed the bill, and they said,
(08:41):
this is a system that works for families. And I
love this part, particularly those specific breeds for allergy concerns.
Of course they go immediately there, we're helping people out.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
One of the things about puppy Spot that it claims
that it maintained internal breeder standards that exceed regulatory mandates.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Puppy Spot is an extraordinary organization. And I know people
that have used puppy Spot and they fly in dogs
on their own airplanes or in their own airplanes, and
it is just an extraordinary This happens to be a
great organization that won't be able to go on the
internet anymore and cannot.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Sell through cannot sell through pet.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Stores, and it's this is a huge deal because a
lot of us own dogs.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
As you know.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It also involves there's another bill that's also with this
that voids pet purchases. These contracts involving California buyers. If
we're asked to pay a non refundable deposit contract isn't
good at all.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
The bill makes the.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Pet seller liable if they fail to disclose the breeder's
name and information and medical information about the dog. Now
keep in mind, just saying that I am a breeder
when you're when I'm not a breeder and I buy
and I'm a wholesaler, that now is illegal. This business
(10:20):
absolutely sucks. It is horrible. Other than Puppy Spot and
a couple of very high end breeders that are basically
put out of business, and they're saying, or at least
in California, they're saying, wait a minute, you know, it's
throwing out the baby with the bathwater or the peppy
with the bathwater. But inevitably that always happens. And so
(10:42):
for those of you that are buying a pet, well,
you can't go to your local pet store. You got
to be very careful about going on the internet. And
you just have to be research, research, research, and I
you know, even go out of state and have your
dog picked up, or you pick up your dog or
(11:04):
have a company like puppy Spot deliver the dogs, and
they do on their own airplanes.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And sometimes first class if they want to pay for it.
Although how do you fly a dog first class?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I guess the seats are wider, maybe the cages, the
crates are wider, the food is better, maybe on first
class for the dogs.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
More legs room.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's not bad. That is not bad, Neal. I hate
that when you come up with something that I wanted
to come up with.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Your life, Your life must suck.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's just it's horrible when you when you do that
to me.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, I wish we could go back in time so
I could come up with that. Okay, here's something that
we have all done, and that is go into a
store and maybe you're buying baby formula or shampoo or toothpaste,
basic toiletry, and there they are like locked behind cabinets,
(12:10):
and how do you get to it. Well, you want
to buy something, you press a button and you wait
for an employee to unlock it. Employees making minimum wage
who are rushing to unlock that because they really care
about you as you sit there with your thumb.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
In any way, this is a problem not only for
retails but for us because you know what, we're not
doing we're not buying, we're not going to those places.
It's too much of a pain. So it is hurt
sales big time. And the other side of it, the
shoplifting is out of control. Now, the National Retail Federation
(12:51):
didn't provide specifics to how many stores lock up their merchandise.
I mean, reporters were asking about it, but the survey
was locked up in a case they wouldn't unlock. But
here is the NRF twenty twenty four study on the
impact of retail theft and violence. Ninety three percent increase
(13:14):
on the number of shoplifting incidents in twenty twenty three
compared to four years earlier, basically doubled, I mean, just crazy.
And so what's happening is we're unhappy about it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
We don't like it. And what do retailers do. It's
it is a lose lose, So they want.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
To stop theft because theft shoplifting.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is out of control. The amount of money they're losing.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But that inconvenience is customer customer, So what do you do?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, they've come up with some kind of plans and
here's a few of them. Retailers are exploring some pretty
costly steps.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
First of all, shatterproof glass for anything.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's expensive because what was that story where a bunch
of these smash and grabs drove their car into a
jewelry store, smashed the front of it in a pile
of people, got out and they stole and they were
dressed as ninjas and they cleaned the place out. So
here is what is happening. Maybe more security guards cost
(14:26):
a fortune. Limited access to the stores, what does that mean? Well,
new apps that allow vetted shoppers to unlock cabinets for
easier access to merchandise. Oh, it's like a clear response
(14:47):
or a clear app. Right when you apply a trusted traveler,
you'll be a trusted shopper and you'll be able to
unload these cabinets, I mean, unlock these cabinets. It's a problem,
by the way, you know, with the winners here, there's
one group of complete total winners on this one, and
that is online shopping. Online shopping is it's the wind.
(15:12):
People don't want to go into stores. I hate going
into stores. The stores are not only losing customers, they're
losing point of sale. You know displays it right there. Well,
I think I'll get that gum. I think I'll buy
that little bag of potato chips. You know, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Thing Bill that I remember going behind the glass were razors. Yeah,
the reasons for razors and and I did that, And
that was before all the plexiglass came out. But I
went straight to online. I don't buy razors in the
store anymore. I just have them delivered because.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I buy mine. I buy mine at Costco.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I don't know how much you know, Costco doesn't have
anything locked up.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It. It just doesn't Now the.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Show ID to get in and get out.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, you have to show, yeah, but how hard is
it to apply for a Costco membership?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
How much background checking do they do?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But how how are you gonna like take a four
gallon tub of mayonnaise out?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Are you gonna steal that?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, the expensive wines. The other day I went to
Costco and I couldn't believe it. A six thousand dollars
bottle of whiskey, Japanese whiskey, suntry whiskey. And they have
some very expensive bottle now though, but other places it'd
(16:37):
be seven thousand. Yes, Now those you have to pick
them up at the merchandise counter. You're not gonna be
able to steal those. But it's I tell you, it's
really difficult.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
And you're right. I have a hard time shopping.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's it's it's difficult because it's so it What bothers
me so.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Much is I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
They're thinking these stores, but they truly get when I
want to look at something razor blades, for example, which
are behind glass, and I'm looking and I have to,
you know, in an emergency, I'll pick some up. Why
do they always send the one person with special needs
at the store to the place where I am to
(17:24):
unlock the cabinet.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's fairly common for if there's a special needs customer
to send a special needs employee.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So that's probably why you're getting them.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Now. I am leaving on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
There's a song there someplace, and I am flying a
fair disiness.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I'll be ten hours on the plane.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I will spend a lot of time staring at
the flight map on the screen shows that little airplane
icon that moves really slowly. And what I do is
I nomically go to I normally go to either London
(18:09):
or whatever in Europe, and we take the polar route,
which means you go across you go through Canada and
then across the Atlantic and then to Greenland, and you
pass Greenland and then you have all of this water
in it's ten hours, and I thought I was crazy.
(18:30):
It is a thing. People do this, and they do
it a lot, and the psychologists are looking at it
is too new to try to figure out what are
you doing. According to flight Path three D, this is
a provider of these in flight maps and they supply
(18:54):
eight ninety airlines. They say sixty eight percent of passengers
open the map on the app and twenty percent look
at only the map. They stare at the map. Now
(19:15):
there are movies going on, You've got books to read,
You've got your laptop. And I don't know how much
internet you can actually do over the ocean.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
We can do it over certainly can do it over
the United States and Canada. And people just stare at
the screen zombie like and the eyes are wide and bulging,
and I thought I was.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The only one doing it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's sort of comforting for some weird reason. I don't
know why, but I like doing it too.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, And you just sit there while a lot of
people say they just zone out, They just absolutely zone out,
and they find it easier to deal with the time
flying staring at a map yep, then watching movies.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Then. I mean, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's like a nineteen forties adventure film where they would
do that to show that they.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Were flying with the little red dots or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, wouldn't that be funny.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
By the way, there are news articles that have been
written about this. Oh the name of the trend. You
know what they call it. It's I didn't know this.
They actually call it. This is called raw dogging. Raw dogging.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well, no, I thought raw dogging is when you don't
look at your phone, you don't look at the screen,
you don't read a book, it's doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I thought raw dogging was a sushi restaurant in Korea,
And I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
With you plenty. That's uncalled for. There's no one completely
to that.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
You're right going on with that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Raw dogging is the name that is used for staring
at the map. I guess you get different kinds of
terms used for different things. By the way, I shouldn't
have said that. I understand that was Here's what ends
up happening is this stuff comes out of my mouth
before I even think.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
You know what. I figured out why you hate Trump
so much? You are Trump. It just flies out of
your mouth. You guys are exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, it does, and I, for some reason, I can't
control it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I don't know why. But anyway, it's called raw dogging.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And I guess there's several different definitions of raw dogging.
And that makes sense when you think about it, because
you're doing nothing. You're just staring at a map. I mean,
that's that's pretty much raw dogging. If you're staring at
a map for ten hours. All right, guys, we're done.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That's it. Phone calls.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I am taking phone calls for handle on the law,
off the air eight seven seven five two zero eleven
fifty eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty. And
if you have marginal legal questions, it's just today and Thursday,
because then I'm gone for a couple of weeks and
Neil will be filling in and he will not be
making ridiculous stupid statements like that. No, No, you don't, No,
(22:13):
you don't. Fingers, you have much better filters than I do.
Eight seven seven five to zero eleven fifty is the number,
and I'm going to start in just a few moments.
Coming up Gary and Shannon. I still have to talk
to Shannon about Brazil and what and how she did
over there or down there.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
That's that's it. Tomorrow morning all over again.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Neil comes aboard with me at six o'clock after wake
up call. Amy and Will and of course Cono and
Ann are here to take care of the show.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
We're done, guys. I've got to, you know, raw dogging.
I've got to be that's enough.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
We're ending the show.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, I've got to be a little more careful, is
what I said. Hey, you've been listening to the Bill
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