February 12, 2025 • 22 mins
(February 12, 2025)
Dear democrats, stop thinking you are smarter than republicans. Is repeating someone’s name charming… or creepy? Dr. Jim Keany, Co-Director of the Emergency Room at Mission Hospital in Mission Viejo, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about· 15 year high of flu diagnosis, peanut allergies in kids, and an increase in SIDs, Sudden Infant Death.
Dear democrats, stop thinking you are smarter than republicans. Is repeating someone’s name charming… or creepy? Dr. Jim Keany, Co-Director of the Emergency Room at Mission Hospital in Mission Viejo, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about· 15 year high of flu diagnosis, peanut allergies in kids, and an increase in SIDs, Sudden Infant Death.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're list Saints KFI AM six forty The bill handles
show on demand on the iHeartRadio f KFI AM six
forty handle here. It is a Wednesday morning, raining.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Out there will for a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We do need that a couple of stories that are
out there that we are covering, covering US flu infections
are at their highest level in fifteen years. All Right, Democrats,
liberals tend to look at Republicans as well, just not
(00:37):
as smart as they are. Right, Conservative people just aren't
really as smart. I mean, there are a few, but
come on, you know, the argument that Republicans have had
conservatives that Democrats are these elitist folks that look down
on them is absolutely true. They argue that, as far
as liberals are concerned, in the United States is east coast,
(00:59):
west coast, and everything in between doesn't exist. It's only
there to spend a few more hours on an airplane
flying over it. Well, the Democrats have lost the grip
of what is really going on out there.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And why is that?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, because they've lost the grip and to go wait
a minute, arguing that we are the only people that
are really smart, arguing that those of you who have
an issue with teeth or lack of them, and have
an issue with education, have an issue with NASCAR racing,
(01:42):
have an issue with not no higher education.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now used to be the Republicans had higher education than.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The Democrats did, and now you've got Democrats elitists, the
argument of elitism, and.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
By the way, it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I believe that that it offends so many people who
are Republican, deeply Republican, who are deeply religious, evangelics, evangelicals
where they're looked at as kinda I mean, come on,
you know, not the brightest people in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
They're looked at.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
People the lemmings that follow the rush Limbaughs that follow
By the way, they may know who Rush Limbaugh is anymore,
or is that becoming dated? Who follow conservatives, who follow
Fox New Sean Handy Tucker Carlson, who's no longer on there,
has one most successful podcasts. They're just not as smart.
(02:42):
They are winning elections. The Republicans control the White House,
the Senate, the House, and they're just dumber than elitists
than the Democrats are. They're just not as smart. Well,
they are, interestingly enough. People who deride public education or
(03:06):
deride higher education because they're just a bunch of just
a bunch of smartasses. Let me tell you a couple
of people that are Republicans who do attack higher education.
Bush went to Yale and Harvard. Trump attended Penn. He
was at Wharton School of Business, probably the finest school
(03:29):
business school in the country. Ted Cruz Princeton and Harvard.
Peter Hegsath Princeton and Harvard.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Jd.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Vance Yale, Tom Cotton, Harvard, Ron DeSantis, Florida Governor, Yale, Harvard.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They don't push it, do they. No, they don't push it.
Why because.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
People that go to schools like that are smarter above
those look down at the true conservatives.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yep, yep, conservatives. What do they do well? The lawyers,
they don't get money.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
They get paid with sides of bacon, don't they. You
talk about the Democrats missing the boat completely. Not only
did Trump win, and man, he won handily. It wasn't
one of those where he lost the general election and
won the electoral He went across the board.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He read it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
There is a huge swath of Americans who, in fact
are proud of the fact they didn't go to college.
They truly think I think immigration is one of the
worst calamities, which by the way, it isn't the immigration issue.
It's not like inflation was absolutely. Immigration eh, not so much.
(04:50):
Does it really affect you. How many of you have
lost your job because of illegal aliens having come into
this country?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not many.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So I agree with securing the borders, but I think
there's a lot more important stuff on the table than that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But it was misread. It was misread.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You can't open your arms to migrants when there are
enough people that are against that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Inflation killed everybody. They just missed the boat.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The elitists, which true still to this day.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh, they're pissed off at Trump. Trump is follows the evangelicals.
He's not very smart. What he does is he goes
off on tangents.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He just throws from the hip any statement, and then
of course he doubles down.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
He doubles down on it, which is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But I have to tell you, the Democrats have to
rethink big time.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
They are in disarray.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It's why it's like when Obama his first term, controlled
the Senate, the House, and the presidency and then got shellacked,
as he said during the first midterm.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Are we going to see that happen again. Maybe maybe.
So I went to here's the secret you do.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
What I do is go ahead and get your degrees,
attend schools of higher education, so undergrad and law school.
But you can't be an elitist doing that. And the
answer is going to the worst schools that you can
possibly go to while getting a higher education. Then you've
(06:35):
hit both and you're a winner. Have you ever heard
of Dale Carnegie? Dale Carnegie How to Win Friends and
Influence People? That was written in nineteen thirty six, and
the Dale Carnegie courses are ubiquitous. They were huge. Business
people used to go to them. People that simply wanted
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friends used to go to them. I never attended one,
which is very clear. But one of the things that
Dale Carnegie teaches and has not stopped is repeating someone's
name during the course of a conversation, during the course of.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
A sales call.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Neil, I'd like you to buy my product product, So, Neil,
I really think it's great, and I think you're going
to really have a good time with this, Neil, And.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I would tell you it's going to do your business
a lot of good.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Neil.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Does it work in the reverse.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Can I say, well, Bill, I don't think I want
to buy your you know what?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Strangely enough, this is on Wall Street Journal and they
interviewed a couple of people who are not big fans
and no, the answer is no. There is a business guy,
actually a basketball coach, Greg Fahee, who he uses that
helps him recruit college students and make friends with powerful people.
(07:58):
So he repeats their name conversation. He says, I use
this as a superpower. We all have that no one uses.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Politicians you talk to them, and you talk to salespeople,
and you talk to others who are trying to pitch executives,
whatever product or service or agenda they have, We'll use
your name.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Does it work?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It seems to accept some people getting a little tired
of it because Okay, you got my name once, and
I guess that shows people that you care enough and
you want to use that. I love this article, by
the way, because it's everything I don't do. I don't
repeat people's names because I have no idea. I spend
(08:47):
all my time going who are you? How often in
the halls have I said who are you? How long
does it take? Which is why a lot of people
think I'm a complete dick, and you know I have
no friends. Point is is that repeating the name simply
seems to work.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And how do you know their names?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's another than Dale Carnegie teaches in the course you
somehow connect a name to some visual melody with a
music sign. David with maybe the statue of David Michael
Aangelo did Rose with the rose?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I used to know a guy by the name of
I Meander Singh clearly Indian.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That was a tough one, a little tougher.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Also Dishwan or Beulah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Some names are a little bit tougher than others.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But the Wall Street Journal, in looking at this, took
a look at what is considered a really good business
practice or social practice and said, this may not be
so good. They're thinking what I'm thinking. Don't bother Valentine
(10:02):
who is at my FM? And I am not kidding here.
It was the fifteenth time I met him, because he
kept track before I knew his name.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Hey, who are you Valentine?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
A few days later I ran him because he starts
early in the morning, I will hey, and I ran
in him again. Hey, your he goes Valentine. Third time
Valentine got to the point where I'd be on the
stairway going up and I'd run into him and he goes, hey,
I'm Valentine. Now that's an easy name to remember because
(10:41):
you think of Valentine's Day, Right, There's some names that
just don't work very well at all.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And do I remember those names? Of course not. But
do I remember your name? I do not. How Neil,
we go back thirty years. Do you remember how long
it took me?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I don't. I know.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I'm sure it took you a while when I started
here over a year ago. That's a good point day, Okay, here,
I mean, here is a story for you, and you
can talk to my partner about this one, because it's
absolutely true. When I had my surrogainst the agency and
I had twenty people in the office, I didn't know
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people's names for five years, I had no idea they
worked for me because I just didn't pay attention at all.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So whenever someone knew came in.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And we had female staff because we were dealing with
infertility and women's private and public parts and that sort
of thing, so we didn't have males in the office.
Complete discrimination, yep, and whenever we had anybody, knew it
would be the new girl. And if I hadn't hired
anybody for a couple of three years, because people stayed
(11:49):
with us for a long time, I would go, Hey,
you're the new girl or new girl. Come over here,
go ask Karen that ask my partner or ex partner
at this point, and new producer.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Maybe we'll do that. How long an have you we
been doing this? Now you've been on board two years?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Two?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Okay? Well, okay, now I know your name.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
It is a Wednesday morning, February twelfth. Doctor Jim Keeney
is with us on Wednesday, a chief medical officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
An er doctor a very high regard. Maybe actually I
have no idea if you're in high regard or not.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Jim, Hey, yeah, of course I do you know how
many people I've asked, Hey, doctor.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Jim, who the hell is he? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Fifteen year high of flu and I haven't gotten my
flu shot yet some reason I skipped it early.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
How frightened should I be?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And let's talk about how widespread, how viral, and this
particular strain of flu is.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean it's the biggest flu outbreak in quite
a while, so hospitals are filling up with respiratory illness
once again, but that you know, it's kind of expected
this time of year, but definitely the reason this year
is primarily flu. So you know, it's not too late
(13:24):
to get your vaccine, by the way, so if you
get it now, you can still save yourself potentially from
coming down with US. I mean, when you look at
the odds, right, a lot of people say, well, I
don't want to get the flu shot. The flu shot
makes me sick, that type of thing. You know, you
do have some mild like maybe muscle aches or that
type of thing for a day or so, but when
you get the flu, it really takes you out. It
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takes people out of work, they miss days of work,
they lose money that way, they lose the ability to
take care of their kids or whatever. And so you know,
it's it's a major hassle, not only for the fact
that older and more vulnerable people might get hospitalized, but
you know, it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's not just the common cold.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, people think I'd always here when someone has a
cold or I have the flu.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, you don't the flu. I mean you are sick.
I've had the flu and you think you're going to die.
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So you know when you talk about this is the
worst in fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Numbers. You want to give me some numbers if.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You can, Well, yeah, I don't have exact numbers, but
I'm telling you that right now we're well above the
ten percent threshold.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
For an outbreak.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So you know, it's a very high percent of the
population that's currently infected with the flu. When they send
specimens to the lab, you know, we don't usually get
such a high positive rate.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
But we're up above.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
About a third of what we send with respiratory illness
is influenza. So again, you know, the average personal catch
it once ten years or so. And that's why most
people want to roll the dice and not worry about it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But it's just that's not a good way to go.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, and I generally get it almost every year for
some reason. I don't know why, Maybe because I've moved
and I haven't done a good job about switching my
hospital and my HMO plan over to a Kaiser facility
near here. Now I know that whenever they develop a
flu vaccine, which they do every year because the flu
(15:30):
mutates and they have to sort of guess which way
the flu is going to go, and the efficacy of
the vaccine goes from pretty high to pretty low.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Which way is it this year?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You know? This year? I think it's a little bit
hard to assess.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know that I trust the numbers because we're
at all time low for kids getting vaccinated, especially, so
we're down at around I don't know, twenty five thirty
percent of kids who would qualify for the flu shot
getting vaccinated, and that's where a lot of the outbreaks
are seen. I saw an article about, you know, an
area in Kentucky which is kind of in that area
where people are not sold on vaccines, and they had
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twenty nine hundred kids in one area that had been
infected with in sluenza. So, you know, it's I don't
know how, you know, how well we can judge the
actual efficacy numbers was such low vaccine rates.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Did you watch the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Jim, Yeah, I'm sorry, you're cutting out.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Oh that's not going to work, But I did. I
watched the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Okay, did you watch the Hymns and Hers commercial about
the weight loss drugs.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, I saw that commercial. I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, tell me why you were surprised. Talk to me
about that. What went through your mind, because this is
fairly controversial.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, I mean, right right now, a lot of these
companies are operating under kind of questionable legal grounds. So
you know, we have patented drugs and then we have generics,
and neither of none of these weight loss drugs have
gone to generic yet. But pharmacies are allowed for people
(17:18):
who have special needs to compound, which means you take
a chemical and you can produce it in a different way.
Say somebody can't swallow a pill, you can put it
in liquid form, right, or something. You want to take
a drug that normally you would ingest, but you put
it on a cream that's absorbed through the skin, those
type of things. Using that avenue, they're creating kind of
(17:39):
a new class here of the same drugs, And honestly,
I'm not sure how they're getting away with it legally,
but obviously they are. And I thought they'd want to
operate pretty much under the radar, but instead they just
went right out there for a Super Bowl ad.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So the issue here is effectively off brand that doctors
I'm assuming doctors have to prescribe it, but that's easy.
You go online and you get some doctor who spends
two seconds talking to you, and then the prescription is written.
Is this the drug we're talking about and just another
version or are additives being brought in?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You don't really know. I mean, that's the problem.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
So it's one of those risks benefit analysis that people
are doing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
They're saying, well, I can't afford twelve hundred dollars a
month for waco V so I'm gonna I'm gonna go
ahead and do it for three hundred dollars a month
using this other company. And you don't know because they're
making it on their own. So with generics, they have
to be identical, they have to use the same manufacturing process,
and they have to come up with the exact same chemical.
(18:44):
With these, I'm assuming one of the ways you can
kind of skirt the law a bit is you make
a salt out of it. I mean, this is a
little detail for chemical, but instead of just making the
base compound, you actually make a salt out of it,
and then that's not the medicine, but as soon as
it hits your body and your bloodstream, the salt separates
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and it becomes the base compound, So you know, they're
definitely I would assume if they're using the exact same process,
making the exact same chemical, they would be even closer
to violating a patent infringement. And that's how they get
around it. But you know, I work with a lot
of nurses and other people who have taken this route
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and have had, you know, good efficacy with it, so obviously,
at least for some people the drugs.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Are getting are similar.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Are you a fan?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I mean, this is big farm.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
You know, we're going up against big farmer here, and
that's why I was impressed that these people put up
an ad that's basically poking Big Pharma in the eye.
And I don't know how long you can get away
with that without Big Farma coming back after you. And
they've got a lot of money to do that. So
you know, obviously these weight loss drugs work. I'm a
fan of trying to lower health care costs overall, and
(20:00):
I think big Pharma has too much of a grip
on our you know, between Big Farma and the pharmacy
benefit managers that we've talked about before, it's just a racket,
you know, it's just a crazy racket.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Hey, just real quick thought because we're about to bail
out of here, is how legitimate medically legitimate is a
doctor who does a zoom examination for the first time,
you know, without any physical prodding and poking and stethoscope business.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
How do you feel about those?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Well, it all depends on what it's for, right, I mean,
if you're trying to figure out whether you have appendices
or not, probably not the best way to do it, right,
You need a physical exam in those situations. But when
you're talking about somebody that you're assessing for the risk
of taking one of these type of drugs, for example,
I think that you can get a good history, and
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I think a lot of times they will require Hey
have you had a full physical exam in the last year,
so so you know that. I think that mitigates it
a bit. And if it makes you know, talking to
a doctor more accessible, I'm for it because I think
the goal here is in American general, is how do
we make physicians more accessible to people so that they
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can talk to a doctor and get a legitimate opinion.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
In the case of these things, though, there it's more,
you know, it's a lifestyle drug.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
In some ways.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
In other ways, it is a significant health problem that
we're you know, reducing, So I think it's important that
people have access.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
All Right, Jim, we'll do it again next Wednesday, as
we always do, have a good day, and don't kill
too many people today. Okay, okay, okay, Doctor Jim. I
always accuse him of actually killing people in the er,
and you know, he's very honest.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
He admits it. How many people he's killed that day.
That's that we're done, absolutely, Finny.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
We start again tomorrow and I'm going to give Cono
and Ann the first go this time, and n are here.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They never go home.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Amy starts at five am with wake up call, Neil
and I join up at six right up until now.
Gary and Shannon are up next, and we're back again tomorrow.
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forty handle here. It is a Wednesday morning, raining.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Out there will for a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We do need that a couple of stories that are
out there that we are covering, covering US flu infections
are at their highest level in fifteen years. All Right, Democrats,
liberals tend to look at Republicans as well, just not
(00:37):
as smart as they are. Right, Conservative people just aren't
really as smart. I mean, there are a few, but
come on, you know, the argument that Republicans have had
conservatives that Democrats are these elitist folks that look down
on them is absolutely true. They argue that, as far
as liberals are concerned, in the United States is east coast,
(00:59):
west coast, and everything in between doesn't exist. It's only
there to spend a few more hours on an airplane
flying over it. Well, the Democrats have lost the grip
of what is really going on out there.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And why is that?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, because they've lost the grip and to go wait
a minute, arguing that we are the only people that
are really smart, arguing that those of you who have
an issue with teeth or lack of them, and have
an issue with education, have an issue with NASCAR racing,
(01:42):
have an issue with not no higher education.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now used to be the Republicans had higher education than.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The Democrats did, and now you've got Democrats elitists, the
argument of elitism, and.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
By the way, it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I believe that that it offends so many people who
are Republican, deeply Republican, who are deeply religious, evangelics, evangelicals
where they're looked at as kinda I mean, come on,
you know, not the brightest people in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
They're looked at.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
People the lemmings that follow the rush Limbaughs that follow
By the way, they may know who Rush Limbaugh is anymore,
or is that becoming dated? Who follow conservatives, who follow
Fox New Sean Handy Tucker Carlson, who's no longer on there,
has one most successful podcasts. They're just not as smart.
(02:42):
They are winning elections. The Republicans control the White House,
the Senate, the House, and they're just dumber than elitists
than the Democrats are. They're just not as smart. Well,
they are, interestingly enough. People who deride public education or
(03:06):
deride higher education because they're just a bunch of just
a bunch of smartasses. Let me tell you a couple
of people that are Republicans who do attack higher education.
Bush went to Yale and Harvard. Trump attended Penn. He
was at Wharton School of Business, probably the finest school
(03:29):
business school in the country. Ted Cruz Princeton and Harvard.
Peter Hegsath Princeton and Harvard.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Jd.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Vance Yale, Tom Cotton, Harvard, Ron DeSantis, Florida Governor, Yale, Harvard.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They don't push it, do they. No, they don't push it.
Why because.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
People that go to schools like that are smarter above
those look down at the true conservatives.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yep, yep, conservatives. What do they do well? The lawyers,
they don't get money.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
They get paid with sides of bacon, don't they. You
talk about the Democrats missing the boat completely. Not only
did Trump win, and man, he won handily. It wasn't
one of those where he lost the general election and
won the electoral He went across the board.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He read it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
There is a huge swath of Americans who, in fact
are proud of the fact they didn't go to college.
They truly think I think immigration is one of the
worst calamities, which by the way, it isn't the immigration issue.
It's not like inflation was absolutely. Immigration eh, not so much.
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Does it really affect you. How many of you have
lost your job because of illegal aliens having come into
this country?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not many.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So I agree with securing the borders, but I think
there's a lot more important stuff on the table than that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But it was misread. It was misread.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You can't open your arms to migrants when there are
enough people that are against that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Inflation killed everybody. They just missed the boat.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The elitists, which true still to this day.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh, they're pissed off at Trump. Trump is follows the evangelicals.
He's not very smart. What he does is he goes
off on tangents.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
He just throws from the hip any statement, and then
of course he doubles down.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
He doubles down on it, which is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But I have to tell you, the Democrats have to
rethink big time.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
They are in disarray.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It's why it's like when Obama his first term, controlled
the Senate, the House, and the presidency and then got shellacked,
as he said during the first midterm.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Are we going to see that happen again. Maybe maybe.
So I went to here's the secret you do.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
What I do is go ahead and get your degrees,
attend schools of higher education, so undergrad and law school.
But you can't be an elitist doing that. And the
answer is going to the worst schools that you can
possibly go to while getting a higher education. Then you've
(06:35):
hit both and you're a winner. Have you ever heard
of Dale Carnegie? Dale Carnegie How to Win Friends and
Influence People? That was written in nineteen thirty six, and
the Dale Carnegie courses are ubiquitous. They were huge. Business
people used to go to them. People that simply wanted
(06:57):
friends used to go to them. I never attended one,
which is very clear. But one of the things that
Dale Carnegie teaches and has not stopped is repeating someone's
name during the course of a conversation, during the course of.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
A sales call.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Neil, I'd like you to buy my product product, So, Neil,
I really think it's great, and I think you're going
to really have a good time with this, Neil, And.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I would tell you it's going to do your business
a lot of good.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Neil.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Does it work in the reverse.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Can I say, well, Bill, I don't think I want
to buy your you know what?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Strangely enough, this is on Wall Street Journal and they
interviewed a couple of people who are not big fans
and no, the answer is no. There is a business guy,
actually a basketball coach, Greg Fahee, who he uses that
helps him recruit college students and make friends with powerful people.
(07:58):
So he repeats their name conversation. He says, I use
this as a superpower. We all have that no one uses.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Politicians you talk to them, and you talk to salespeople,
and you talk to others who are trying to pitch executives,
whatever product or service or agenda they have, We'll use
your name.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Does it work?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It seems to accept some people getting a little tired
of it because Okay, you got my name once, and
I guess that shows people that you care enough and
you want to use that. I love this article, by
the way, because it's everything I don't do. I don't
repeat people's names because I have no idea. I spend
(08:47):
all my time going who are you? How often in
the halls have I said who are you? How long
does it take? Which is why a lot of people
think I'm a complete dick, and you know I have
no friends. Point is is that repeating the name simply
seems to work.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And how do you know their names?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's another than Dale Carnegie teaches in the course you
somehow connect a name to some visual melody with a
music sign. David with maybe the statue of David Michael
Aangelo did Rose with the rose?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I used to know a guy by the name of
I Meander Singh clearly Indian.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That was a tough one, a little tougher.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Also Dishwan or Beulah.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Some names are a little bit tougher than others.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But the Wall Street Journal, in looking at this, took
a look at what is considered a really good business
practice or social practice and said, this may not be
so good. They're thinking what I'm thinking. Don't bother Valentine
(10:02):
who is at my FM? And I am not kidding here.
It was the fifteenth time I met him, because he
kept track before I knew his name.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Hey, who are you Valentine?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
A few days later I ran him because he starts
early in the morning, I will hey, and I ran
in him again. Hey, your he goes Valentine. Third time
Valentine got to the point where I'd be on the
stairway going up and I'd run into him and he goes, hey,
I'm Valentine. Now that's an easy name to remember because
(10:41):
you think of Valentine's Day, Right, There's some names that
just don't work very well at all.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And do I remember those names? Of course not. But
do I remember your name? I do not. How Neil,
we go back thirty years. Do you remember how long
it took me?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I don't. I know.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I'm sure it took you a while when I started
here over a year ago. That's a good point day, Okay, here,
I mean, here is a story for you, and you
can talk to my partner about this one, because it's
absolutely true. When I had my surrogainst the agency and
I had twenty people in the office, I didn't know
(11:21):
people's names for five years, I had no idea they
worked for me because I just didn't pay attention at all.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So whenever someone knew came in.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And we had female staff because we were dealing with
infertility and women's private and public parts and that sort
of thing, so we didn't have males in the office.
Complete discrimination, yep, and whenever we had anybody, knew it
would be the new girl. And if I hadn't hired
anybody for a couple of three years, because people stayed
(11:49):
with us for a long time, I would go, Hey,
you're the new girl or new girl. Come over here,
go ask Karen that ask my partner or ex partner
at this point, and new producer.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Maybe we'll do that. How long an have you we
been doing this? Now you've been on board two years?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Two?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Okay? Well, okay, now I know your name.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
It is a Wednesday morning, February twelfth. Doctor Jim Keeney
is with us on Wednesday, a chief medical officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
An er doctor a very high regard. Maybe actually I
have no idea if you're in high regard or not.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Jim, Hey, yeah, of course I do you know how
many people I've asked, Hey, doctor.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Jim, who the hell is he? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Fifteen year high of flu and I haven't gotten my
flu shot yet some reason I skipped it early.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
How frightened should I be?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And let's talk about how widespread, how viral, and this
particular strain of flu is.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean it's the biggest flu outbreak in quite
a while, so hospitals are filling up with respiratory illness
once again, but that you know, it's kind of expected
this time of year, but definitely the reason this year
is primarily flu. So you know, it's not too late
(13:24):
to get your vaccine, by the way, so if you
get it now, you can still save yourself potentially from
coming down with US. I mean, when you look at
the odds, right, a lot of people say, well, I
don't want to get the flu shot. The flu shot
makes me sick, that type of thing. You know, you
do have some mild like maybe muscle aches or that
type of thing for a day or so, but when
you get the flu, it really takes you out. It
(13:46):
takes people out of work, they miss days of work,
they lose money that way, they lose the ability to
take care of their kids or whatever. And so you know,
it's it's a major hassle, not only for the fact
that older and more vulnerable people might get hospitalized, but
you know, it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's not just the common cold.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, people think I'd always here when someone has a
cold or I have the flu.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, you don't the flu. I mean you are sick.
I've had the flu and you think you're going to die.
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So you know when you talk about this is the
worst in fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Numbers. You want to give me some numbers if.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You can, Well, yeah, I don't have exact numbers, but
I'm telling you that right now we're well above the
ten percent threshold.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
For an outbreak.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
So you know, it's a very high percent of the
population that's currently infected with the flu. When they send
specimens to the lab, you know, we don't usually get
such a high positive rate.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
But we're up above.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
About a third of what we send with respiratory illness
is influenza. So again, you know, the average personal catch
it once ten years or so. And that's why most
people want to roll the dice and not worry about it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But it's just that's not a good way to go.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, and I generally get it almost every year for
some reason. I don't know why, Maybe because I've moved
and I haven't done a good job about switching my
hospital and my HMO plan over to a Kaiser facility
near here. Now I know that whenever they develop a
flu vaccine, which they do every year because the flu
(15:30):
mutates and they have to sort of guess which way
the flu is going to go, and the efficacy of
the vaccine goes from pretty high to pretty low.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Which way is it this year?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You know? This year? I think it's a little bit
hard to assess.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know that I trust the numbers because we're
at all time low for kids getting vaccinated, especially, so
we're down at around I don't know, twenty five thirty
percent of kids who would qualify for the flu shot
getting vaccinated, and that's where a lot of the outbreaks
are seen. I saw an article about, you know, an
area in Kentucky which is kind of in that area
where people are not sold on vaccines, and they had
(16:12):
twenty nine hundred kids in one area that had been
infected with in sluenza. So, you know, it's I don't
know how, you know, how well we can judge the
actual efficacy numbers was such low vaccine rates.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Did you watch the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Jim, Yeah, I'm sorry, you're cutting out.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Oh that's not going to work, But I did. I
watched the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Okay, did you watch the Hymns and Hers commercial about
the weight loss drugs.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, I saw that commercial. I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, tell me why you were surprised. Talk to me
about that. What went through your mind, because this is
fairly controversial.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, I mean, right right now, a lot of these
companies are operating under kind of questionable legal grounds. So
you know, we have patented drugs and then we have generics,
and neither of none of these weight loss drugs have
gone to generic yet. But pharmacies are allowed for people
(17:18):
who have special needs to compound, which means you take
a chemical and you can produce it in a different way.
Say somebody can't swallow a pill, you can put it
in liquid form, right, or something. You want to take
a drug that normally you would ingest, but you put
it on a cream that's absorbed through the skin, those
type of things. Using that avenue, they're creating kind of
(17:39):
a new class here of the same drugs, And honestly,
I'm not sure how they're getting away with it legally,
but obviously they are. And I thought they'd want to
operate pretty much under the radar, but instead they just
went right out there for a Super Bowl ad.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So the issue here is effectively off brand that doctors
I'm assuming doctors have to prescribe it, but that's easy.
You go online and you get some doctor who spends
two seconds talking to you, and then the prescription is written.
Is this the drug we're talking about and just another
version or are additives being brought in?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You don't really know. I mean, that's the problem.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
So it's one of those risks benefit analysis that people
are doing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
They're saying, well, I can't afford twelve hundred dollars a
month for waco V so I'm gonna I'm gonna go
ahead and do it for three hundred dollars a month
using this other company. And you don't know because they're
making it on their own. So with generics, they have
to be identical, they have to use the same manufacturing process,
and they have to come up with the exact same chemical.
(18:44):
With these, I'm assuming one of the ways you can
kind of skirt the law a bit is you make
a salt out of it. I mean, this is a
little detail for chemical, but instead of just making the
base compound, you actually make a salt out of it,
and then that's not the medicine, but as soon as
it hits your body and your bloodstream, the salt separates
(19:05):
and it becomes the base compound, So you know, they're
definitely I would assume if they're using the exact same process,
making the exact same chemical, they would be even closer
to violating a patent infringement. And that's how they get
around it. But you know, I work with a lot
of nurses and other people who have taken this route
(19:26):
and have had, you know, good efficacy with it, so obviously,
at least for some people the drugs.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Are getting are similar.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Are you a fan?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I mean, this is big farm.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
You know, we're going up against big farmer here, and
that's why I was impressed that these people put up
an ad that's basically poking Big Pharma in the eye.
And I don't know how long you can get away
with that without Big Farma coming back after you. And
they've got a lot of money to do that. So
you know, obviously these weight loss drugs work. I'm a
fan of trying to lower health care costs overall, and
(20:00):
I think big Pharma has too much of a grip
on our you know, between Big Farma and the pharmacy
benefit managers that we've talked about before, it's just a racket,
you know, it's just a crazy racket.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Hey, just real quick thought because we're about to bail
out of here, is how legitimate medically legitimate is a
doctor who does a zoom examination for the first time,
you know, without any physical prodding and poking and stethoscope business.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
How do you feel about those?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Well, it all depends on what it's for, right, I mean,
if you're trying to figure out whether you have appendices
or not, probably not the best way to do it, right,
You need a physical exam in those situations. But when
you're talking about somebody that you're assessing for the risk
of taking one of these type of drugs, for example,
I think that you can get a good history, and
(20:54):
I think a lot of times they will require Hey
have you had a full physical exam in the last year,
so so you know that. I think that mitigates it
a bit. And if it makes you know, talking to
a doctor more accessible, I'm for it because I think
the goal here is in American general, is how do
we make physicians more accessible to people so that they
(21:15):
can talk to a doctor and get a legitimate opinion.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
In the case of these things, though, there it's more,
you know, it's a lifestyle drug.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
In some ways.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
In other ways, it is a significant health problem that
we're you know, reducing, So I think it's important that
people have access.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
All Right, Jim, we'll do it again next Wednesday, as
we always do, have a good day, and don't kill
too many people today. Okay, okay, okay, Doctor Jim. I
always accuse him of actually killing people in the er,
and you know, he's very honest.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
He admits it. How many people he's killed that day.
That's that we're done, absolutely, Finny.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
We start again tomorrow and I'm going to give Cono
and Ann the first go this time, and n are here.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They never go home.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Amy starts at five am with wake up call, Neil
and I join up at six right up until now.
Gary and Shannon are up next, and we're back again tomorrow.
This is KFI AM six forty. You've been listening to
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