May 20, 2025 • 29 mins
(May 20,2025)
Host of KFI’s Rich on Tech, Rich DeMuro joins the show to break down Google I/O 2025, the “Take It Down Act” and its ripple effect on tech, 23andMe’s sale, and SAG-AFTRA’s lawsuit against Epic Games. Plus, a new Amazon browser extension promises $1 cashback per order. Also in the hour: the unexpected health perks of becoming Pope, and why America’s college boom towns are going bust.
Host of KFI’s Rich on Tech, Rich DeMuro joins the show to break down Google I/O 2025, the “Take It Down Act” and its ripple effect on tech, 23andMe’s sale, and SAG-AFTRA’s lawsuit against Epic Games. Plus, a new Amazon browser extension promises $1 cashback per order. Also in the hour: the unexpected health perks of becoming Pope, and why America’s college boom towns are going bust.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty, the Bill Handles
show on demand on the iHeartRadio app Handle and the
Morning Crew on a Taco Tuesday, May twentieth. Then, since
it is our eight o'clock hour and it is a Tuesday,
that means we have our Tech segment with Rich Dumurow,
(00:22):
kfi's tech Guy. He's on KTLA TV every day every
Saturday here eleven am to two pm with Rich on
Tech Instagram, at rich on Tech Website, richontech dot TV
and Rich, you are at a Google AI event right now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And where is it?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This is Mountain View, California, at the headquarters of Google.
It's called Google Io and the best way to describe
it is sort of like a circus or carnival atmosphere
for folks that are into technology, mostly developers that are
making anything related to Google apps and things like that,
plus press like myself that are looking forward to seeing
(01:04):
what Google is working on next.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Are these serious events or are they just rip roaring
great parties where Google serves you great food.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Great question. I think the steaks have never been higher
for Google at this very moment in time. They have
been on top of the tech world and especially search
for the past twenty years, and that was all upended
with the introduction of Chat GBT and Google's entire business
was turned upside down overnight, which is namely search advertising.
(01:36):
So I think the steaks have never been higher for
them to prove that they are still on top of
the world when it comes to search and AI as
much as that is evolving for everyday folks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
All right, an important question, how is the food.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I have not gotten to the food just yet. I
just made my way in. That was about a half
an hour process. There are people from you know, there's
thousands of people here from all over the world that
comes of this event, but they do a nice job
typically Bill and I will investigate. I apologize I was
not able to investigate the cinnamon bonds before I got
on air here with you.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, that's very very important, as you know, in terms
of what Google is bringing in the table, is there
any indication of what you're going to see.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think there's a couple of things that they're gonna
I mean, I think they're trying to make search more
accessible with AI to the everyday person. So right now,
search Google was always sort of a proprietary eponym. Right,
I'm going to search that, I'm gonna google that. Now,
chat gbt has really taken over the idea of anything
you're doing with AI. I'm chatchybt. You know, I'm using
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chat gybt for that, right. And so Google has something
called Gemini, which they've done a pretty good job of
building into a lot of their products like email and
also their docs and things like that. The problem is
nobody really identifies AI with Gemini, and that's a problem
for Google. So they've come out with a lot of
useful tools, but none of them have sort of well
(03:04):
there's one actually, I want to tell you about it, Bill,
It's called Notebook LM. This is probably their standout tool
that sort of has gone viral, and basically it allows
you to take any sort of information, pop it into
this tool, and it will spit out a personalized podcast
specifically about that information. So they just came out with
an app for Android and iOS. It's called notebook LM.
(03:27):
If you are into new ways of learning things, if
you always have to study about a topic, this is
probably one of the most useful things to come out
of AI in the past three years.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How does how does Google in terms of AI. Are
they going to have a problem keeping the verb to
Google because that's what everybody thinks. I mean now at
this point it's a default where everybody thinks that's the case.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Is that when it happened.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, I'm concerned about their traditional search. The idea of
going on the Internet and getting a result of ten
blue links and clicking through those is just no longer
the reality for a majority of people. They are now
going to a service like Perplexity or chatchybt or even Gemini,
(04:18):
and they're typing in a topic and getting a summary
of that topic. So it's basically reaching out to all
those web pages that you might have gone to as
a human before, and the AI is just taking that information,
summarizing it and presenting it to you. Now, Bill, we
all know the problem with that is that sometimes there
are mistakes inside that information, but there could also be
mistakes on websites that people go to. And so I
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think that Google has to show a way that they
can make this AI search, which they already have. It's
called AI mode. It's really good and it rivals what
chatchybt does. But they have to figure out how are
they going to monetize that side of the business, which
is really really tricky. At this point, I think how.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Far behind is Google in the world of AI.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That is so interesting because Google, this is what's so
interesting about Google and AI. They have been using AI
and machine learning way before it was a buzzword. The
problem was bill how do you monetize? And I think
that's why they never came out with a flagship product
until their hand was forced. And you've got to think
(05:27):
about what chatgybt is. It's open AI. It's a very
highly funded startup. They do not need to make money
right now. Now a lot of people are paying them
twenty dollars a month to use their search product. Right
they're chatgybt. But the thing with Google, all of their
stuff was free. They never charged for search. And if
they came out with an AI product that suddenly is amazing,
(05:49):
but there's no money behind it. That's a problem for
a giant company that is publicly traded, and I think
that's been the biggest issue with Google, is this idea
of how do you pivot in a way that keeps
stockholders happy but also stay stays up to date with
the trends that are happening in the world, which is
you know, AI for free for everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm a little confused here because isn't the monetization model
simply hundreds of millions of people using it for the
most part for free, and that data mining then goes
to an advertiser, knowing, for example, that I I'm using it,
(06:33):
I shop at Costco, I just bought my burritos yesterday.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Don't they know that? And isn't that saleable?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well? The problem is, Okay, think about traditional search, right, Okay,
you go online, you're looking for new patio furniture. You
go to Google, Google dot Com, you search patio furniture.
The first five links are sponsored by an advertiser that
is targeting patio furniture, right, And so you click on
one of those because you look at second link, you say,
oh that's cool, Umbrella, whatever the company is. You click
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that link. Google now just made eight dollars or whatever
they did on that search, right, And that happens probably
millions of times a day, I don't know, if not
billions through Google. Now, think about an AI search the
way that CHATGBT is doing AI search with shopping nothing sponsored.
They're literally going out to the reviews website summarizing what
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people say is the best patio furniture and presenting that
as the first link. And now that is not sponsored,
you click on it. Nobody made money in that transaction.
Now in the future they may charge. But Google has
to figure out that same thing. All of their shopping
results in the past have been sponsored, and of course
people don't want that anymore. They want to know, like
who reviews these products and says they are the best.
(07:44):
So I think the problem is those organic links that
don't make any money. You know, the non sponsored stuff
is really what's happening with AI versus Google's traditional search,
which the first five links or three links whatever at
the top were always sponsored and people would click those
and make a ton the money in the process for Google.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
All right, we were going to be talking about that
a whole lot, by the way, next week. Just keep
in mind you're going to do the taste tests also
of the food, because that's the most important thing I'm
interested in. All Right, we've got some sag Afternoons twenty
three and me has been sold. We've got tons to
talk about. Don't go away, We'll be back with the
(08:22):
rich couple of stories that I want to get into
rich and that is twenty three and me has been sold.
Has business declined dramatically? Do people not care anymore? I
don't care. If I'm eight percent Inuit doesn't bother me
at all, and I'm certainly not going to spend any
money doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So what's going on with that?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, this was a company that was hot for a
couple of years. I mean, probably one of the top
selling DNA testing kits and gifts for the holidays and
especially Amazon Prime Day for many years. This was a
company that was once worth six billion dollars and they
went bankrupt because I think the combination of privacy concerns
(09:05):
and they were never able to fully monetize what to
do with all of that DNA data that they collected.
And so now they were sold for two hundred and
fifty six million dollars to this biotech company out of
New York called Regeneron. And the big question here is
what are they going to do with all this data?
Is it going to be kept private? And you know,
(09:25):
will it help this company develop new drugs for biogenetics.
So we'll see what happens. But the main thing they're
saying right now, is that they are going to keep
twenty three and mes privacy rules and regulations in place
even through the acquisition.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I can't imagine how they wouldn't keep privacy in place
unless it's non identifiable in terms of the individuals. If
you're looking at population demographics, I can't see a big
problem in terms of drug use, etc. The people who
who are x percent, for example, Germanic or French I
(10:05):
have but tend to have this kind of a syndrome
or tend to go in another way. I can see that, right,
How do you get rid of the how do you
get rid of the privacy? I mean, you know, I
want you to know how much you know French background
I have, which I have none by the way.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
No, And I'm not even sure it matters to personally
identify people in this manner because think about it, they've
got the profiles now of fifteen million people DNA profiles.
That's you know, the full sequence or I guess you know,
I don't know if they got the full sequence or
the partial sequence, whatever it is, it's enough to help
them figure out, hey, is there a pattern here, and
(10:41):
if we use a drug to do this, or if
we change these the genes on this person, does it help?
And so I think that's really what they're going to
use the data for. They want to return on their investment,
and they just got a whole bunch of fresh DNA
info that would have taken them years to collect. And
so hopefully we'll see some good drugs come out of
this that will really help people. But again, I think
that the idea of just knowing what rich DeMuro specifically
(11:04):
has versus you know, here's what twenty million people with
this DNA profile seem to have as a problem. I
think that's much more important here to this company than
knowing what I specifically have.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Have people just stopped using the product that sales collapsed,
I mean you're talking about bankruptcy, you're talking about going
out of business.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, I think it's a one time thing. So it's
like you're not taking a DNA test more than once
in your life. So again, what is the business model
after that? You sell a bunch of these things on
prime day and then what you're not you know, the
idea was to upsell people on these subscriptions to you know,
gene monitoring whatever, Like, hey, you have this, you can
(11:43):
tap into more details about what may happen to you
in the future. I don't think a lot of people
did that. They bought these kids for sixty nine to
ninety nine dollars, They took the test, they said, okay,
I'm forty percent, this sixty percent. That that's cool, and
they never thought about it again. So I think the
business model was pretty tough twenty three and me, especially
when you layer in the privacy concerns.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
All right, something that hits close to home that you
and I are both part of, and that's SAG Aftra
Suing by the way, sag Of course, Screen Actors Guild
merged with after the American Federation of Television Radio Artists.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
For some reason, they call us artists. Explain that one
to me, and it's suing. Epic Games explain.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
That well, So I guess they filed a complaint against
Epic Games. Some people were reporting that it was a suit,
but it is. It seems to be a complaint, and
it's over the use of for Fortnite. I guess they
used James Earl Jones. You know, you remember him, the
famous actor. He died in twenty twenty four, but they
had his voice from all the movies he did, and
(12:46):
they made an AI cloned voice of him for players
to interact with in Fortnite. Now here's the interesting rub
about this bill is that the family Disney Fortnite, they
all say that they have permission to do this from
the estate and from James Earl Jones, but SAG is
saying no, no, no, hold on. This still has to
(13:07):
go through us because this is a union issue. Because
think about it, Bill, If everyone in the world just says, yeah,
it's fine to use it SAG for bargaining in the future,
that is not a very good thing because they lose
a lot of their bargaining power if their members are
not covered by any sort of AI agreement. And we
know that that's kind of like the biggest growth area. Again,
(13:27):
it's like the DNA test. You get cloned once with
your voice or your likeness, and Hollywood could keep using
you forever. That would be a very bad proposition for
a big union like SAG AFTRA.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
But it's if you're talking about permission.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, for example, you and I both have a
contract with Premiere Radio correct maybe you don't, maybe you don't,
I do, and part of the union if I allow
part of my contract is that iHeart can use my name,
my likeness during the course of my contract virtually anyway
(14:01):
they want.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And not AI. I don't think a guy's in their
bill and that. Look, I mean, I'm I'm not siding
with peg after or not. I'm just saying that this
is they're saying this is a union issue because they
want to protect the people in the union from saying, Look,
you can sign this contract, you can say whatever you want,
but at the end of the day, this is a
union issue. We are we are negotiating on behalf of
our members for these protections, and if companies can just
(14:26):
override that, what's the point of the union? And so
I think that that's what they're arguing there because they
want to make a statement.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, but just for your information, I've got about six
or eight video game companies that are bidding from my
voice to be used.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Did you know that.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
No, that's incredible. What do they want to do with
your voice?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah? I didn't know that either, but it sure sounds good.
We're done, Rich. You have a good one.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Rich show KTLA every single day, the TV Show or
on TV Our Tech Guy, eleven am to two pm
on Saturdays Instagram at rich on Tech website, richontech Dot TV.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Enjoy the Google event and eat your brains out. Catch
you next week.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm gonna go check out I'm gonna go check out
the Diy bagel bar with the smoke salmon that yeah,
all right.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Coming up, I talked about Pope Leo and whether he
has to pay or file an income tax return.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Now coming up, I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The health benefits and the health risks of being pope.
So if you are considering being pope, I want to
give you a just sort of a primer on what
you're looking at health wise and what Leo is looking
at health wise too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We'll be right back with that. It's going to get
hot today.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We're in the middle of a heat spell and I
think some records going to be broken today. If you're
in the valley, it's going to approach one hundred and
the beach is going to be seventy.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So you can swim in the sewage.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Oh, we don't have any see going on right now,
do we?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We're between sewer spills? What warm sewage? Yeah, sounds really good.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Welcome. Yeah, that's another reason for living Southern California and
going to the beach. I want to talk a little
bit about the pope. I'm fascinated by this whole pope business.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And it is it's just a it's a weird job.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
First of all, people tend to be very old when
they become pope. If you notice the election of pope's
usually they're elected in their late nineties and lasts until
about one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty before
they die off. And so the issue becomes, you know,
how smart are these guys? And when we talk about older,
(16:44):
elderly people who don't have cognitive abilities. Now with Joe Biden,
of course, that issue has exploded. So Pope Leo is
fairly young to.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Be a pope.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He's sixty nine, he was, He's seven years younger than
Francis was when he became pope, nine years younger than
Benedict was when he became pope. And so when you
look at sixty nine pope wise, that's fairly young. But
(17:14):
retirement wise, and people who just don't want to work
anymore or have or they're done, sixty nine is not
particularly young because we look at sixty five, sixty seven,
although today it's a different concept. You know, I'm going
to be working until you know, I'm half dead, not
(17:35):
that I'm not already. And what's happening with the Pope.
And it's not just you know, taking on a new
hobby or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It is taking on a job, a high stakes, high stress,
and it's a lifetime job. And there's some good and
bad there. One of the things that people don't know
about Pope, it's about as autocratic as it gets. This
guy's elected dictator until he dies.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He makes the decisions.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
He decides who's going to be a cardinal, he decides
which way the church is going to go. For the
most part, he can be fairly liberal. Now could he
be completely liberal? Can he make women priests?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know, I don't know the answer to.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
That, but I know he has unbelievable power. And so
doctor Nelson Castro, a physician and a journalist who knew
Francis pretty well and wrote a book of the health
of Pope, says the pepacy is an enormous effort for
any person. He's head of state, he's head of the
Roman Catholic Church. He's responsible for overseeing theology, appointing cardinals
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and bishops celebrating masses and taking undertaking pilgrimages.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
They go all over the place.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Popees go on these tours and they have a rippering
good time. Popes have masses wherever they go, and it's crowded.
For example, when he went to Rio, when Francis went
to Rio, two and a half million people show up.
That's a crowded mass. I have to tell you that
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is one big crowd.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now. The biggest benefit, and this is.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
According to a Martha Ma Mather, or math or professor
of gerontology at USC, says, the biggest benefit is that
working well into old age is cognitive.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's where you do well.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean you fall apart physically, but your mind, if
you keep working at it, actually can keep on going
for a good long time.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
She says. The brain is still adaptable.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
This is what the gerontologists and neurologists say.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The brain is still adaptable even to old age, and learning.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
New skills on the job can preserve a person's ability
to think and process new information. Beyond you're getting old,
you're falling apart, but all of a sudden you're getting
new information and you're processing it and pope's I mean
they go from cardinal to popees in one fell swoop.
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I mean it happens very quickly. You have a cardinal
now elected pope. He is handed a cell phone because
it's a direct line to Jesus and says, here, start
talking and no one else can talk, and you decide
what's going on, and usually I'm Pope.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm Pope, Now what do I do?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And goes out on the balcony, picks up some kind
of name out of the blue. In this case, it
was Leo, and Francis became Francis, and ad I said,
Socola became I think Benedictus, because that's when it all changed,
because he didn't want to be known as Pope Cicola. That,
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by the way, is still funny. I have to tell you,
that is still a funny line. And so this all
happens so quickly, and you're sixty nine, or you're seventy,
or you're seventy five, and you are spinning because theoretically
no one knows that he is going to be pope.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because the world works around that.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The cardinals all pray and somehow there's a message that
comes down. It's like the Wizard of Oz, you know,
behind the curtain, and you get that voice and it says,
this is the new Pope.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No one sees the Pope, no way, no how. That's correct.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So let me take a break, come back, because there's
a lot to this, there really is. And the healthcare
ain't bad either, and the food is pretty good from
what I understand, you know. And one of the things
about being pope, well it's the same thing that oh LBJ.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Let me compare the pope with what the LBJ.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Is, the President of United States, said Lynda Baines Johnsence
Lyndon Baines Johnson. Where the similarities are right there, and
I'll explain that to you.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And we come back as we finished.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
The show, our last segment of the show, And a
quick reminder, since it is Tuesday. Right after the show,
I take questions for handling the law off the air
marginal legal advice and the numbers eight seven seven five
to zero eleven fifty eight seven seven five two zero
eleven fifty and I'll start a few minutes after I
lock out. And you can still listen to KFI, listen
(22:54):
to Gary and Shannon on the phone while you are
waiting for me to go, So, yeah, what's your name?
And give me an idiot question, which generally it works
out very well that way.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Eight seven, seven, five two zero eleven fifty.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, Finishing up is a story about the health
of the pope.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
What yesterday I think I did? Does a pope.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
File income tax returns as he is an American citizen?
And the answer is yesh, probably should because of identity theft.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So what are the benefits of being pope?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I mean, you get great healthcare, for sure, you get
free rent, you don't pay for rent, and you get
some nice place to live. Francis lived in the guest
house where cardinals.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Live in when they're doing their voting for pope. I
don't think. I don't think Leo is going to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Really nice apartments, the papal apartment, So I think he's
going to do fine.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The food is very very good.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And the other thing about being pope, And this is
where I'm going to compare LBJ, former President of the
United States, when he was asked what's the best thing
or what's one of the real positive things about being president?
And he said, you never wait in line for anything ever,
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and you know what that's true. I mean, think about
your waiting in line at the supermarket and you know
you're at the teller's office and you're waiting in line,
where you're at the counter and you're waiting in line.
If you were pope, you wouldn't be waiting in line,
because that's exactly it, all right. So some of the
factors that are general and specific to papal health is
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LEO is already at a lower risk for age relative
cognitive declines, why people with at least a college education
generally do better, people who speak multiple languages genuinely do better.
And he hits it on both of those, and which means,
I mean that doesn't tell you about physically how he's doing.
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That's another issue, but certainly brain wise he's right up there. Also,
a positive outlook reduces late life depression and dementia. And
you gotta be positive if you're the pope. I mean,
you know, life can't be terrible if you're the pope,
which is why I'll never be the.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Pope for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And being socially engaged is really important for cognition, and
popes are certainly engaged big time. Now, there are some
stressors involved. One of them is traveling like crazy. And
when popes travel, they go to a whole bunch of
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different countries, do masses, usually in the morning or afternoon,
meet heads of state. In the case of Jean Paul
is saying he had to hit the tarmac and kiss
the ground. Did you ever notice the later photos of
John Paul the second where his lips were all gnarly
and calloused because he kept on kissing the ground every
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place he flew to. But there is burnout, and proof
is in the pudding. Benedict the sixteenth burned out. He
just said, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't want to do this anymore. By the way, that.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Is the I think either the first of the second
resignation of a pope in the history of popiosity. Popes
are there for life, and let me tell you, they
fall apart.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You see Francis, and he was working till the day
he died, and he died the next day. JD.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Vance was the last person to effectively see him alive.
And Francis is in a wheelchair and he's having a
very hard time.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You could see this a very ill man. And you
have elder.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Popes because they're there for life, that's although you can resign,
and Benedict does. Now the issue becomes on the politics level.
Which way is this pope gonna go? Francis was this
extraordinarily people oriented, a humble man who really didn't change
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much in the church. Leo is a very humble man.
I think that's the new that's the new criteria. You
have to be really humble and you have to go
to work on a bicycle or take the subway. I
don't think you're going to see imperious popes anymore, much
like Benedict was.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Also Benedict was a member.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Of the Hitler Youth when he was younger, but that's
another story in its itself well, as he described an
unenthusiastic member of the Hitler Youth.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Great stories of popes.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I think all end it at that point because
I could go on, but I can't because we're out
of time. So when I quick remind you, I'm taking
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I don't know yet.
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I'm hopeful that Amy will be well enough to come
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Or do we have conoback? Do you know? You got conoback?
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and Rich, you are at a Google AI event right now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And where is it?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This is Mountain View, California, at the headquarters of Google.
It's called Google Io and the best way to describe
it is sort of like a circus or carnival atmosphere
for folks that are into technology, mostly developers that are
making anything related to Google apps and things like that,
plus press like myself that are looking forward to seeing
(01:04):
what Google is working on next.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Are these serious events or are they just rip roaring
great parties where Google serves you great food.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Great question. I think the steaks have never been higher
for Google at this very moment in time. They have
been on top of the tech world and especially search
for the past twenty years, and that was all upended
with the introduction of Chat GBT and Google's entire business
was turned upside down overnight, which is namely search advertising.
(01:36):
So I think the steaks have never been higher for
them to prove that they are still on top of
the world when it comes to search and AI as
much as that is evolving for everyday folks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
All right, an important question, how is the food.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I have not gotten to the food just yet. I
just made my way in. That was about a half
an hour process. There are people from you know, there's
thousands of people here from all over the world that
comes of this event, but they do a nice job
typically Bill and I will investigate. I apologize I was
not able to investigate the cinnamon bonds before I got
on air here with you.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, that's very very important, as you know, in terms
of what Google is bringing in the table, is there
any indication of what you're going to see.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think there's a couple of things that they're gonna
I mean, I think they're trying to make search more
accessible with AI to the everyday person. So right now,
search Google was always sort of a proprietary eponym. Right,
I'm going to search that, I'm gonna google that. Now,
chat gbt has really taken over the idea of anything
you're doing with AI. I'm chatchybt. You know, I'm using
(02:43):
chat gybt for that, right. And so Google has something
called Gemini, which they've done a pretty good job of
building into a lot of their products like email and
also their docs and things like that. The problem is
nobody really identifies AI with Gemini, and that's a problem
for Google. So they've come out with a lot of
useful tools, but none of them have sort of well
(03:04):
there's one actually, I want to tell you about it, Bill,
It's called Notebook LM. This is probably their standout tool
that sort of has gone viral, and basically it allows
you to take any sort of information, pop it into
this tool, and it will spit out a personalized podcast
specifically about that information. So they just came out with
an app for Android and iOS. It's called notebook LM.
(03:27):
If you are into new ways of learning things, if
you always have to study about a topic, this is
probably one of the most useful things to come out
of AI in the past three years.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
How does how does Google in terms of AI. Are
they going to have a problem keeping the verb to
Google because that's what everybody thinks. I mean now at
this point it's a default where everybody thinks that's the case.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Is that when it happened.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, I'm concerned about their traditional search. The idea of
going on the Internet and getting a result of ten
blue links and clicking through those is just no longer
the reality for a majority of people. They are now
going to a service like Perplexity or chatchybt or even Gemini,
(04:18):
and they're typing in a topic and getting a summary
of that topic. So it's basically reaching out to all
those web pages that you might have gone to as
a human before, and the AI is just taking that information,
summarizing it and presenting it to you. Now, Bill, we
all know the problem with that is that sometimes there
are mistakes inside that information, but there could also be
mistakes on websites that people go to. And so I
(04:40):
think that Google has to show a way that they
can make this AI search, which they already have. It's
called AI mode. It's really good and it rivals what
chatchybt does. But they have to figure out how are
they going to monetize that side of the business, which
is really really tricky. At this point, I think how.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Far behind is Google in the world of AI.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That is so interesting because Google, this is what's so
interesting about Google and AI. They have been using AI
and machine learning way before it was a buzzword. The
problem was bill how do you monetize? And I think
that's why they never came out with a flagship product
until their hand was forced. And you've got to think
(05:27):
about what chatgybt is. It's open AI. It's a very
highly funded startup. They do not need to make money
right now. Now a lot of people are paying them
twenty dollars a month to use their search product. Right
they're chatgybt. But the thing with Google, all of their
stuff was free. They never charged for search. And if
they came out with an AI product that suddenly is amazing,
(05:49):
but there's no money behind it. That's a problem for
a giant company that is publicly traded, and I think
that's been the biggest issue with Google, is this idea
of how do you pivot in a way that keeps
stockholders happy but also stay stays up to date with
the trends that are happening in the world, which is
you know, AI for free for everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm a little confused here because isn't the monetization model
simply hundreds of millions of people using it for the
most part for free, and that data mining then goes
to an advertiser, knowing, for example, that I I'm using it,
(06:33):
I shop at Costco, I just bought my burritos yesterday.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Don't they know that? And isn't that saleable?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well? The problem is, Okay, think about traditional search, right, Okay,
you go online, you're looking for new patio furniture. You
go to Google, Google dot Com, you search patio furniture.
The first five links are sponsored by an advertiser that
is targeting patio furniture, right, And so you click on
one of those because you look at second link, you say,
oh that's cool, Umbrella, whatever the company is. You click
(07:03):
that link. Google now just made eight dollars or whatever
they did on that search, right, And that happens probably
millions of times a day, I don't know, if not
billions through Google. Now, think about an AI search the
way that CHATGBT is doing AI search with shopping nothing sponsored.
They're literally going out to the reviews website summarizing what
(07:23):
people say is the best patio furniture and presenting that
as the first link. And now that is not sponsored,
you click on it. Nobody made money in that transaction.
Now in the future they may charge. But Google has
to figure out that same thing. All of their shopping
results in the past have been sponsored, and of course
people don't want that anymore. They want to know, like
who reviews these products and says they are the best.
(07:44):
So I think the problem is those organic links that
don't make any money. You know, the non sponsored stuff
is really what's happening with AI versus Google's traditional search,
which the first five links or three links whatever at
the top were always sponsored and people would click those
and make a ton the money in the process for Google.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
All right, we were going to be talking about that
a whole lot, by the way, next week. Just keep
in mind you're going to do the taste tests also
of the food, because that's the most important thing I'm
interested in. All Right, we've got some sag Afternoons twenty
three and me has been sold. We've got tons to
talk about. Don't go away, We'll be back with the
(08:22):
rich couple of stories that I want to get into
rich and that is twenty three and me has been sold.
Has business declined dramatically? Do people not care anymore? I
don't care. If I'm eight percent Inuit doesn't bother me
at all, and I'm certainly not going to spend any
money doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So what's going on with that?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, this was a company that was hot for a
couple of years. I mean, probably one of the top
selling DNA testing kits and gifts for the holidays and
especially Amazon Prime Day for many years. This was a
company that was once worth six billion dollars and they
went bankrupt because I think the combination of privacy concerns
(09:05):
and they were never able to fully monetize what to
do with all of that DNA data that they collected.
And so now they were sold for two hundred and
fifty six million dollars to this biotech company out of
New York called Regeneron. And the big question here is
what are they going to do with all this data?
Is it going to be kept private? And you know,
(09:25):
will it help this company develop new drugs for biogenetics.
So we'll see what happens. But the main thing they're
saying right now, is that they are going to keep
twenty three and mes privacy rules and regulations in place
even through the acquisition.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I can't imagine how they wouldn't keep privacy in place
unless it's non identifiable in terms of the individuals. If
you're looking at population demographics, I can't see a big
problem in terms of drug use, etc. The people who
who are x percent, for example, Germanic or French I
(10:05):
have but tend to have this kind of a syndrome
or tend to go in another way. I can see that, right,
How do you get rid of the how do you
get rid of the privacy? I mean, you know, I
want you to know how much you know French background
I have, which I have none by the way.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
No, And I'm not even sure it matters to personally
identify people in this manner because think about it, they've
got the profiles now of fifteen million people DNA profiles.
That's you know, the full sequence or I guess you know,
I don't know if they got the full sequence or
the partial sequence, whatever it is, it's enough to help
them figure out, hey, is there a pattern here, and
(10:41):
if we use a drug to do this, or if
we change these the genes on this person, does it help?
And so I think that's really what they're going to
use the data for. They want to return on their investment,
and they just got a whole bunch of fresh DNA
info that would have taken them years to collect. And
so hopefully we'll see some good drugs come out of
this that will really help people. But again, I think
that the idea of just knowing what rich DeMuro specifically
(11:04):
has versus you know, here's what twenty million people with
this DNA profile seem to have as a problem. I
think that's much more important here to this company than
knowing what I specifically have.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Have people just stopped using the product that sales collapsed,
I mean you're talking about bankruptcy, you're talking about going
out of business.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, I think it's a one time thing. So it's
like you're not taking a DNA test more than once
in your life. So again, what is the business model
after that? You sell a bunch of these things on
prime day and then what you're not you know, the
idea was to upsell people on these subscriptions to you know,
gene monitoring whatever, Like, hey, you have this, you can
(11:43):
tap into more details about what may happen to you
in the future. I don't think a lot of people
did that. They bought these kids for sixty nine to
ninety nine dollars, They took the test, they said, okay,
I'm forty percent, this sixty percent. That that's cool, and
they never thought about it again. So I think the
business model was pretty tough twenty three and me, especially
when you layer in the privacy concerns.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
All right, something that hits close to home that you
and I are both part of, and that's SAG Aftra
Suing by the way, sag Of course, Screen Actors Guild
merged with after the American Federation of Television Radio Artists.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
For some reason, they call us artists. Explain that one
to me, and it's suing. Epic Games explain.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
That well, So I guess they filed a complaint against
Epic Games. Some people were reporting that it was a suit,
but it is. It seems to be a complaint, and
it's over the use of for Fortnite. I guess they
used James Earl Jones. You know, you remember him, the
famous actor. He died in twenty twenty four, but they
had his voice from all the movies he did, and
(12:46):
they made an AI cloned voice of him for players
to interact with in Fortnite. Now here's the interesting rub
about this bill is that the family Disney Fortnite, they
all say that they have permission to do this from
the estate and from James Earl Jones, but SAG is
saying no, no, no, hold on. This still has to
(13:07):
go through us because this is a union issue. Because
think about it, Bill, If everyone in the world just says, yeah,
it's fine to use it SAG for bargaining in the future,
that is not a very good thing because they lose
a lot of their bargaining power if their members are
not covered by any sort of AI agreement. And we
know that that's kind of like the biggest growth area. Again,
(13:27):
it's like the DNA test. You get cloned once with
your voice or your likeness, and Hollywood could keep using
you forever. That would be a very bad proposition for
a big union like SAG AFTRA.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
But it's if you're talking about permission.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, for example, you and I both have a
contract with Premiere Radio correct maybe you don't, maybe you don't,
I do, and part of the union if I allow
part of my contract is that iHeart can use my name,
my likeness during the course of my contract virtually anyway
(14:01):
they want.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And not AI. I don't think a guy's in their
bill and that. Look, I mean, I'm I'm not siding
with peg after or not. I'm just saying that this
is they're saying this is a union issue because they
want to protect the people in the union from saying, Look,
you can sign this contract, you can say whatever you want,
but at the end of the day, this is a
union issue. We are we are negotiating on behalf of
our members for these protections, and if companies can just
(14:26):
override that, what's the point of the union? And so
I think that that's what they're arguing there because they
want to make a statement.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, but just for your information, I've got about six
or eight video game companies that are bidding from my
voice to be used.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Did you know that.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
No, that's incredible. What do they want to do with
your voice?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah? I didn't know that either, but it sure sounds good.
We're done, Rich. You have a good one.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Rich show KTLA every single day, the TV Show or
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Speaker 2 (15:07):
Enjoy the Google event and eat your brains out. Catch
you next week.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm gonna go check out I'm gonna go check out
the Diy bagel bar with the smoke salmon that yeah,
all right.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Coming up, I talked about Pope Leo and whether he
has to pay or file an income tax return.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Now coming up, I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The health benefits and the health risks of being pope.
So if you are considering being pope, I want to
give you a just sort of a primer on what
you're looking at health wise and what Leo is looking
at health wise too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We'll be right back with that. It's going to get
hot today.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We're in the middle of a heat spell and I
think some records going to be broken today. If you're
in the valley, it's going to approach one hundred and
the beach is going to be seventy.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So you can swim in the sewage.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Oh, we don't have any see going on right now,
do we?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We're between sewer spills? What warm sewage? Yeah, sounds really good.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Welcome. Yeah, that's another reason for living Southern California and
going to the beach. I want to talk a little
bit about the pope. I'm fascinated by this whole pope business.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And it is it's just a it's a weird job.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
First of all, people tend to be very old when
they become pope. If you notice the election of pope's
usually they're elected in their late nineties and lasts until
about one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty before
they die off. And so the issue becomes, you know,
how smart are these guys? And when we talk about older,
(16:44):
elderly people who don't have cognitive abilities. Now with Joe Biden,
of course, that issue has exploded. So Pope Leo is
fairly young to.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Be a pope.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
He's sixty nine, he was, He's seven years younger than
Francis was when he became pope, nine years younger than
Benedict was when he became pope. And so when you
look at sixty nine pope wise, that's fairly young. But
(17:14):
retirement wise, and people who just don't want to work
anymore or have or they're done, sixty nine is not
particularly young because we look at sixty five, sixty seven,
although today it's a different concept. You know, I'm going
to be working until you know, I'm half dead, not
(17:35):
that I'm not already. And what's happening with the Pope.
And it's not just you know, taking on a new
hobby or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It is taking on a job, a high stakes, high stress,
and it's a lifetime job. And there's some good and
bad there. One of the things that people don't know
about Pope, it's about as autocratic as it gets. This
guy's elected dictator until he dies.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He makes the decisions.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
He decides who's going to be a cardinal, he decides
which way the church is going to go. For the
most part, he can be fairly liberal. Now could he
be completely liberal? Can he make women priests?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know, I don't know the answer to.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
That, but I know he has unbelievable power. And so
doctor Nelson Castro, a physician and a journalist who knew
Francis pretty well and wrote a book of the health
of Pope, says the pepacy is an enormous effort for
any person. He's head of state, he's head of the
Roman Catholic Church. He's responsible for overseeing theology, appointing cardinals
(18:51):
and bishops celebrating masses and taking undertaking pilgrimages.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
They go all over the place.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Popees go on these tours and they have a rippering
good time. Popes have masses wherever they go, and it's crowded.
For example, when he went to Rio, when Francis went
to Rio, two and a half million people show up.
That's a crowded mass. I have to tell you that
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is one big crowd.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now. The biggest benefit, and this is.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
According to a Martha Ma Mather, or math or professor
of gerontology at USC, says, the biggest benefit is that
working well into old age is cognitive.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's where you do well.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean you fall apart physically, but your mind, if
you keep working at it, actually can keep on going
for a good long time.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
She says. The brain is still adaptable.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
This is what the gerontologists and neurologists say.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The brain is still adaptable even to old age, and learning.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
New skills on the job can preserve a person's ability
to think and process new information. Beyond you're getting old,
you're falling apart, but all of a sudden you're getting
new information and you're processing it and pope's I mean
they go from cardinal to popees in one fell swoop.
(20:24):
I mean it happens very quickly. You have a cardinal
now elected pope. He is handed a cell phone because
it's a direct line to Jesus and says, here, start
talking and no one else can talk, and you decide
what's going on, and usually I'm Pope.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm Pope, Now what do I do?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And goes out on the balcony, picks up some kind
of name out of the blue. In this case, it
was Leo, and Francis became Francis, and ad I said,
Socola became I think Benedictus, because that's when it all changed,
because he didn't want to be known as Pope Cicola. That,
(21:09):
by the way, is still funny. I have to tell you,
that is still a funny line. And so this all
happens so quickly, and you're sixty nine, or you're seventy,
or you're seventy five, and you are spinning because theoretically
no one knows that he is going to be pope.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because the world works around that.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The cardinals all pray and somehow there's a message that
comes down. It's like the Wizard of Oz, you know,
behind the curtain, and you get that voice and it says,
this is the new Pope.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No one sees the Pope, no way, no how. That's correct.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So let me take a break, come back, because there's
a lot to this, there really is. And the healthcare
ain't bad either, and the food is pretty good from
what I understand, you know. And one of the things
about being pope, well it's the same thing that oh LBJ.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Let me compare the pope with what the LBJ.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Is, the President of United States, said Lynda Baines Johnsence
Lyndon Baines Johnson. Where the similarities are right there, and
I'll explain that to you.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And we come back as we finished.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
The show, our last segment of the show, And a
quick reminder, since it is Tuesday. Right after the show,
I take questions for handling the law off the air
marginal legal advice and the numbers eight seven seven five
to zero eleven fifty eight seven seven five two zero
eleven fifty and I'll start a few minutes after I
lock out. And you can still listen to KFI, listen
(22:54):
to Gary and Shannon on the phone while you are
waiting for me to go, So, yeah, what's your name?
And give me an idiot question, which generally it works
out very well that way.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Eight seven, seven, five two zero eleven fifty.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, Finishing up is a story about the health
of the pope.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
What yesterday I think I did? Does a pope.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
File income tax returns as he is an American citizen?
And the answer is yesh, probably should because of identity theft.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So what are the benefits of being pope?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I mean, you get great healthcare, for sure, you get
free rent, you don't pay for rent, and you get
some nice place to live. Francis lived in the guest
house where cardinals.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Live in when they're doing their voting for pope. I
don't think. I don't think Leo is going to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Really nice apartments, the papal apartment, So I think he's
going to do fine.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The food is very very good.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And the other thing about being pope, And this is
where I'm going to compare LBJ, former President of the
United States, when he was asked what's the best thing
or what's one of the real positive things about being president?
And he said, you never wait in line for anything ever,
(24:27):
and you know what that's true. I mean, think about
your waiting in line at the supermarket and you know
you're at the teller's office and you're waiting in line,
where you're at the counter and you're waiting in line.
If you were pope, you wouldn't be waiting in line,
because that's exactly it, all right. So some of the
factors that are general and specific to papal health is
(24:51):
LEO is already at a lower risk for age relative
cognitive declines, why people with at least a college education
generally do better, people who speak multiple languages genuinely do better.
And he hits it on both of those, and which means,
I mean that doesn't tell you about physically how he's doing.
(25:12):
That's another issue, but certainly brain wise he's right up there. Also,
a positive outlook reduces late life depression and dementia. And
you gotta be positive if you're the pope. I mean,
you know, life can't be terrible if you're the pope,
which is why I'll never be the.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Pope for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And being socially engaged is really important for cognition, and
popes are certainly engaged big time. Now, there are some
stressors involved. One of them is traveling like crazy. And
when popes travel, they go to a whole bunch of
(25:52):
different countries, do masses, usually in the morning or afternoon,
meet heads of state. In the case of Jean Paul
is saying he had to hit the tarmac and kiss
the ground. Did you ever notice the later photos of
John Paul the second where his lips were all gnarly
and calloused because he kept on kissing the ground every
(26:13):
place he flew to. But there is burnout, and proof
is in the pudding. Benedict the sixteenth burned out. He
just said, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't want to do this anymore. By the way, that.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Is the I think either the first of the second
resignation of a pope in the history of popiosity. Popes
are there for life, and let me tell you, they
fall apart.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You see Francis, and he was working till the day
he died, and he died the next day. JD.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Vance was the last person to effectively see him alive.
And Francis is in a wheelchair and he's having a
very hard time.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You could see this a very ill man. And you
have elder.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Popes because they're there for life, that's although you can resign,
and Benedict does. Now the issue becomes on the politics level.
Which way is this pope gonna go? Francis was this
extraordinarily people oriented, a humble man who really didn't change
(27:24):
much in the church. Leo is a very humble man.
I think that's the new that's the new criteria. You
have to be really humble and you have to go
to work on a bicycle or take the subway. I
don't think you're going to see imperious popes anymore, much
like Benedict was.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Also Benedict was a member.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Of the Hitler Youth when he was younger, but that's
another story in its itself well, as he described an
unenthusiastic member of the Hitler Youth.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Great stories of popes.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I think all end it at that point because
I could go on, but I can't because we're out
of time. So when I quick remind you, I'm taking
phone calls eight seven, seven, five two zero eleven fifty
off the air and this is for handle on the
law questions.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
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Speaker 1 (28:11):
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seven seven, five two zero eleven fifty We're.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Back again tomorrow. Heather, are you back tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I'm hopeful that Amy will be well enough to come
back tomorrow and you guys can go back to some
normalcy and get rid of me and things will carry on, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't disagree with that. And Sam, are you here tomorrow?
Or do we have conoback? Do you know? You got conoback?
But I love working with you. Bill? Of course you do, okay?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And Will is here and Neil is here and wake
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The rest of us, Neil and I are six to nine.
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