March 25, 2025 • 28 mins
(March 25, 2025)
Chris Merrill fills in for Bill this week. KTLA & KFI tech reporter Rich DeMuro joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich talks about what the Signal app is. The Trump administration's Signal fiasco has given Democrats an unexpected shot to go on offense, with a pair of hearings in the next two days. When social media company Meta sued to have a former employee's memoir pulled off the shelves, they thought it would stop people from reading the book. But it's done quite the opposite. "Careless People" is a memoir by Sarah Wynn-Williams, who worked at Facebook for seven years, becoming the director of global public policy. The book is highly critical of the organization and its leaders Mark Zuckerberg and then-CEO Sheryl Sandberg.
Chris Merrill fills in for Bill this week. KTLA & KFI tech reporter Rich DeMuro joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich talks about what the Signal app is. The Trump administration's Signal fiasco has given Democrats an unexpected shot to go on offense, with a pair of hearings in the next two days. When social media company Meta sued to have a former employee's memoir pulled off the shelves, they thought it would stop people from reading the book. But it's done quite the opposite. "Careless People" is a memoir by Sarah Wynn-Williams, who worked at Facebook for seven years, becoming the director of global public policy. The book is highly critical of the organization and its leaders Mark Zuckerberg and then-CEO Sheryl Sandberg.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty. Here's Chris Merrill.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Pleasure being with you. It is an honor as always
to share the microphone with KFI is tech guy Rich Dimiro.
You hear him live Rich on tech is every Saturday
eleven am and then on KTL. I can follow him
on his Instagram at rich on Tech, Rich on Tech,
your website, rich on Tech dot TV.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Rich.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good talk to you again. They're my friend. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Ay, good morning too, Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hey, before we dive into some of the stuff that
affects like our computers and our cell phones and things
like that, can you help me understand this signal app
that is in the news today, because this is the
one that the Secretary of Defense and the National Security
Advice and the Vice President accidentally added a discredited and
terrible journalist who pushes hoax paxes, so called journalists, they
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called him, and yet they somehow accidentally added into their
private chat about classified information. How does that happen?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well? I have lots of thoughts on this now. Number one,
how does it happen? I mean we all know how
this happens. I mean, how many times have you replied
to a text in the wrong text? I mean I've
done it a million times. How many times have you
written an email to someone included them on the wrong
You know you included someone by accident because you know
you get that autocomplete. So I understand how this all happened.
(01:28):
I think the bigger issue here is why are governments
using this messaging app if they're not supposed to be.
But again I understand that as well, because how many
times does your company tell you to use a certain
app to do something? Most of the time, if you're
in a corporate environment, it's something they have said, Hey,
we pay for teams, we pay for Google Workspace, we
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want you to text through this, And people use their
own preferred personal apps. And that's really what happens here
on a much bigger level. So and I'm not saying
I agree with any of those things. I'm just saying
that this is kind of like, we're human and we
understand why these things happen, but these steaks are bigger
here obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now that's a great point, Rachel's. It's it's a it's
a it's an issue of steaks, and you really humanized
it because I, for one, do exactly what you're talking about.
I love to use Google Docs. It's super simple. I
use Google Docs at work. My company wants me to
use the Microsoft three sixty five workspace or whatever that is, right,
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and I don't like doing that because the Google Docs
is super simple for me. So I get that. But
the stakes are a whole lot lower. If somebody hacks
into my into my show notes, they might see that
I plan on talking about meta with Garyan Shannon today
at eight point fifty. They probably don't care. When it
comes to military attacks, there are stakes no higher than that.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, agreed, And now here's the deal. They were using
an app that if you were going to use an
app that is for secure messaging. Signal is the most
secure app out there. It has been known to be
the most secure messaging app in the world pretty much,
uh for the average person that can download it is
open source, so you know, people can check on this
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app to see kind of the code behind it, and
that's what keeps it really secure. You can only install
it on one device at a time, so you you know,
this is the reason why I never really used it,
because you know the fact is with these encrypted apps not.
There is almost no messaging app out there that is
end to end encrypted by default. There are only two
that I know of, and that is Signal and WhatsApp.
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WhatsApp has a lot of security implications because it's owned
by Meta, and so even though they are securing that
app and to end with encryption, they are collecting a
whole bunch of other data on you while you're using
that app. Signal does not do that. And so if
they had to pick an app to share, you know,
trade secrets, this is probably the app to do it with.
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Should they be doing that, probably, no matter what, And
You're right, the stakes are much higher. But I'm explaining,
like you know, how this happens on a human basis.
We gravitate towards the things that we know and like
and are easier.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I understand that, but also I think this is interesting.
Rich are you You talked about how easy it is
to respond to an email that's wrong, or to you know,
to respond to a text message to the wrong person.
I can't tell you how many times I've told my
buddies in a group chat because I'm you know, we're
talking about fantasy football. My wife is telling me you know,
pick up milk and I accidentally tell nine of my
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best guy friends love you. Where something sexy tonight? It
is awkward, wow, and yeah it's great, it's it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And then oftent relationship.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, the worst part is is that my wife oftentimes
will then realize that I'm doing something wrong. She'll start
giving me fantasy football advice. I've lost more leagues that way. So,
but when it comes to a group text, if I'm
trying to add someone to my group chat, I've never
used signal, and so this is why I'm I'm asking you,
I've never used it. Is it really simple to just
simply reply to the wrong one? For instance, when I'm
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replying when I think I'm replying to my wife, but
I'm accidentally telling my group of fantasy football friends I
love you, it doesn't bring her into that chat. Adding
somebody to that chat now means creating a new.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Chat, right, And I don't know the right And I
don't know the logistics of what happened here how this
person got added, But I'm guessing that they thought they
added someone else to the group text. Yea, and it
was someone you know, whoever created this group text. This
journalist from the Atlantic was in their address book, right,
so they must have been communicating with them in some
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way or shape or form. They typed in a few
letters thinking it was someone else, it auto completed to
this person and boom they were added. So that's probably
the best explanation for that. I don't think there's a
world where they put this person on the group chat
in a secretive way to get them kind of to
see what's happening, because that it just doesn't make sense
(05:57):
with what they were discussing, right. This was a very
inside baseball group of people. I mean, you're talking the
highest level of our government here on this group chat.
So that's the part that I don't think they just
responded and brought him in. I think that it was
a group chat that was created or added to later
and this person was put in mistakenly.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Kaf ice tech guy Rich Demiro It is Rich on
Tech before we check with Amy King at a quick
news update here speaking of data security, what's going on
with the Google It sounds like they accidentally deleted a
bunch of my stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, well, this is a feature. It's not like Gmail,
it's not photos. So the big ones that people rely
on or Google Drive like you mentioned earlier. But this
is a feature called Maps Timeline, which you might not
even be familiar with. I was because I really enjoyed it.
It's basically a feature inside Maps that keeps track of
all the places you visit around the world. So I
had this nice list of like three hundred locations that
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I had been to from you know, day one when
I got my Android phone and now or my iPhone.
It works on both. But apparently there was a technical issue,
a glitch, and this information got deleted and so if
you didn't have it backed up, which you probably didn't,
it's gone forever. And the whole thing is that Google
took this information it used to be saved by by default.
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They took it off of people's clouds to put it
on their phone, so that was more private, and of
course that's you know, it turned out to be bad
because now there's no backup of it anywhere else. So
and there's anyway they.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Don't consider redundancy when they're doing those doing those switchovers.
That feels like it feels like a kind of a
bone headed error.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well it's interesting because they said last year, hey, we're
moving this to your phone for your privacy. So if
you didn't specifically back it up and tell us to
back it up in your cloud, we're not having we're
not keeping that information anymore. So I think that's what
happened is people like me who are still kind of
in the middle and still had it on their cloud. Yeah,
somehow it got deleted and now it's gone forever.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And now you don't even remember that you went to Botswana.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
No, I can't remember my time in China Russia.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Exactly what China? Why did you forget that that's what
all those shots were.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, you know, I couldn't even use Twitter when I
was there, so it was not fun anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Rich the California Attorney General is the only attorney general
that is warning people about their data with twenty three
and me. How concerned should I be that twenty three
and me might misplace my spit?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, let's put it this way. Twenty three and Me
always one of the top sellers on Amazon's Prime Day
every year, like these little test kits are. I mean,
they sell tons of them, So I think there's a
lot of people that have their information in these databases.
The concern here is that twenty three and Me has
filed for bankruptcy protection, and that means there could be
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another company or group or organization that takes control of
all of their information and we don't know. Even though
twenty three and ME in the past has kind of said, look,
we have pretty strict rules when it comes to how
we protect your data. We don't know if the next
company will come along and play the same way. So
the ag here in California says, you know what, you
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should go and delete your genetic data immediately. And so
this has been going around. I posted the instructions on
my Instagram, but basically going on their website, which was
very slow yesterday, because I guess many many people are
doing this. But should you be concerned, I'd say that
we it's unknown at this point, but if you feel
better having this information deleted, go ahead and download it
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and get it out of there, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So maybe a better safe than sorry situation on the jet.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Nothing has changed just yet, but we just don't know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I think that's reasonable. Then, Rich you mentioned earlier someone
about your Android phone. Then you mentioned your iPhone. I'm
guessing as the tech guy who I incidentally, I'm a
fan so let me just fanboy out for a moment.
I also know that you have some incarnation of everything
that's out there. You've got Samsung Galaxy threes all the
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way up to Galaxy one hundred twenty two's that people
won't see for another thirty years. You've got all of those.
And then you've also got every iPhone from the first
iPhone prototype all the way. People don't know this, but
Rich actually has the iPhone twenty one and.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
That I'll tell people that I'm under NDA.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh sorry, my bad. So Rich, You've got a little
bit of everything there. What's the lady's here? With Samsung?
I know they're they're looking at a at a software
update and I just had to update my iPhone as
well because of the AI stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, and I'm sure you're using a lot of it.
I'm just kidding because most people aren't on the iPhone.
But you know, I do love the corners that Siri
glows with now, I mean, that's pretty cool. My little
trick on my little trick on the iPhone with the
Siri improvements? Is that series pretty bad? I use her
only to send a text. But if you say, basically,
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if you preface all of your requests now with ask
chat GBT, it's so much better because it'll just skip
the middle man and just go right to chat BT.
But Samsung, so they they were early on this whole
AI stuff. They were first out of the gate with
their AI on their phone in a big way, and
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they have been updating their recent phones with this situation.
But the basically the new update that they have is
one UI seven and they said that finally on April seventh,
that will be rolling out to the previous models, starting
with the S twenty four series, the Galaxy Fold six,
and the Flip six. So if you have one of
these older models, you will be getting the new one
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UI seven on April or starting from April seventh. And Chris,
if you're not familiar with the way Samsung works versus iPhone,
iPhone pretty much puts everything out on the same day
for everyone, like all the supported models, but a lot
of the other manufacturers they sort of roll out the
software updates and it's kind of frustrating because it takes
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a lot more time for it to reach the older models.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh so you might not know when you're getting the
update then.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, Like they come out with all these new and
I actually think some of it is a sales tactic
because you know what if Samsung wants you to do,
they want you to buy the new phone, and so
I think that, you know, that's where they make their money,
whereas you know, Google not so much and iPhone definitely
not as much. Of course, they depend on those sales.
But Apple is a much bigger kind of eco play
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system right where they know, even if you have an
older iPhone, you're still gonna be paying for that cloud storage.
You might be picking up an iPad, you might get
a MacBook because you love the iPhone so much, you
might get a smart watch. So it's a much bigger play,
which is why they support so many older devices over
the years, as opposed to some of these other companies.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Kaf Tech guy Richarie Mero Rich real quick as we
talk about AI, and I have to admit I feel
like a fogie when it comes to AI because my
adoption on this is really slow. I'm kind of waiting
for it to find its footing. I feel like once
we start getting some of the kings ironed out, then
I'll I'll invest some time. Otherwise, I feel like everything's
changing too quickly. One of those changes though, sounds like
(13:10):
open ai is trying to enhance some of their their
voice capabilities. Is that right? So when I how does
this work? When I talk with chat GPT, does it
talk back?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, there's like a there's a now you can always
have all the ais kind of read you the answers.
That's one way. But then there's this feature that's almost
like talking to an AI human, and that is what's
the voice assistant. That's what the feature is. Advanced Voice
Mode is what it's technically called. Gemini has it, Open
ai has it with chat GBT, and when you activate this,
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it literally sounds like you are talking to a human
being that is the smartest human being in the world.
And open ai says they just made theirs better. It
interrupts you less, it's more natural, it's more engaging. I
was talking to it this morning and it is. It's
a little basically when you used to take a breath,
if you were asking it something, it would jump in
(14:03):
and talk. And now it kind of lets you take
that breath a little bit and gives you that moment
of pause where it doesn't just try to jump in immediately.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh, Like it's listening like, not like my wife, but
like a friend.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah theoretically yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Because my wife jumps in. You don't even let me
get a breath in. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Some people do. Some people do that on the radio,
like I've been known to do that. I'll be like, hey, wait,
what did you just say something? Hold on?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
How come Siri doesn't do this? When is Apple going
to make their stuff sound like I'm talking, like Siri's
talking back to me, like I'm holding a conversation. How
long do I have to wait for that to happen,
like you said, Sirius sex. When does it get better?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh my gosh, there's just a big article going around
on the internet about how bad AI is on the iPhone,
specifically Siri, because she was really first out of the
gate and very very good for many years, and now
she is way last and it's not getting better for
at least another year. So all the stuff that Apple
promised with Siri getting better is not even happening for
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another year. So get used to it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't want to Rich on Tech follow him Instagram,
rich on Tech, and on his website rich on Tech
Dot tv kfi's tech guy Richdimiro Rich always great talking
to you. Thank you so much, my friend.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Thanks Chris, love it, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yep. The big story today is that we come to
find out there were war plans, but don't tell the
Secretary of Defense that. He says they were not war plans.
That we're shared on the Signal app, which is end
to end secure encryption. You heard Rich Darmiro, our tech guy,
talking about that in our last segment, and he said,
of all of the easily available apps, it's the most secure,
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but it certainly is not as secure as say the
government skiffs, which is how you're supposed to be sharing
classified information when it needs to be shared. So sounds
like they were doing a group text in the same
way that you might put together plans to go to
the Dodgers opening day with a bunch of buddies. You go,
he what time you let me pick you up? Were
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you porking? These guys are saying, Hey, we need to
bomb the Hooti rebels and Yemen. Cool, which direction are
we coming in from? And so the National Security Advisor,
Secretary of Defense, vice President were on this chat. And
then the National Security Advisor added a reporter, a journalist,
and this is a guy who writes for the Atlantic,
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and he kept the screenshots. I mean, he thought, this
can't be real. This has got to be somebody who's
catfishing me soon somehow, right, and come to find out, Nope,
it was legit. And now the Defense Department has verified that, Yeah,
that was legit. And when asked about this, the Secretary
of Defense Pete hegsith, he didn't deny anything other than
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he said there were no war plans on there, but
I don't know. I saw the text. It kind of
looks like war plans to me. And then he went
on to say, deceitful and highly discredited so called journalist
who's made a profession of pedaling hopeses time and time again.
So evidently they inadvertently added a deceitful, dishonest so called
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journalist to their Hey, guys, let's go to war chat.
Joining us right now is Julia Shapiro from the Hill
and Julia. This is concerning, obviously for the security breach
that it represents, the wild hypocrisy between the Hillary Clinton
emails on a private server and now what they're doing
with classified information on this chat. But there may be
another security issue here at play. I saw your article
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there at the Hill today. Sounds like, sook, this is
something that Russia might might appreciate.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, So Signal, like you mentioned, is an end and
crint and end encrypted messing platform, but it's not perfect.
There are still ways to kind of trade the app
and to gain access to it. So Google's Threat Intelligence
group reported last month that some cyber actors aligned with
Russia have been targeting Signal through its linked devices feature,
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which was letting them eavesdrop on some private conversations that
were happening on the app.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Have they been successful in doing that? We know they're
trying in And then is this is this high end sabotage?
Are these hackers sitting away typing out code or is
this what we would call social engineering type hacks?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
So this sort of falls into the category of fishing.
So they send out QR codes through various means that
pose as you know, Signal resources, or they'll embedd them
on websites. So far, they've mainly been targeting Ukrainian the
Ukrainian military, which have been you know, a focus of
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Russian intelligence so far. But it is more standard fishing
than any sort of particular coding.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
All Right, so this is kind of like when Grandma
clicks out a link that she's not supposed to click on,
then all of a sudden we find that we may
be sharing national security secrets.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
YEP. Essentially, it gives them access then as another link
device to view all the same messages that are coming
into the victim's phone as well, so they can eavesdrop
on it. And Google has said it's you know, it's
a high risk that this could go on for a
while undetected.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So Julia Shapiro from The Hill talking about how the
Kremlin is trying to use this for hacking. Do we
know of other instances or other groups that might be
trying to hack something like that? For instance, suppose I'm
I'm a super smart computer wizzy tech guy who happens
to be a hooty rebel, and I may be interested
in finding out when we're about to be attacked. Is
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it possible that I might be working on something very
similar to what Russia's doing? Are there others doing it?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Not that I'm aware of or that I've seen yet,
But this is is, you know, a fairly straightforward hack
that someone could do. It simply involves changing the code
in these QR codes and making them appear, you know,
to be a legit resource or you know, on a website.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So, Julia, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask
just a personal question. If you have a group texting,
do you ever inadvertently add someone to your group text
Because I'm so I'm so so much of a luddite
when it comes to this that I get confused when
I have to try to add somebody. I can't even
add somebody to a team's message for Pete's sake, and
it has a ad person click here button. It seems
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like it's a little more complicated than just simply bring
somebody else in, especially if it's a discredited journalist who
we all hate. That seems very peculiar to me.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, it definitely. You know, I have not added anyone
that I didn't know to a group chap before, but
I guess it could theoretically happen, you know, if you're
just going through a lot of contacts and numbers to
add someone into a signal chat.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And again, if I can get your personal opinion on this,
if you were perhaps discussing classified information, is that something
that you would just randomly grab a number of contacts
and just bring them all in or is that something
you think maybe you'd be more careful with.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
So it does seem like something that would probably in
most cases be discussed in some sort of some more
secure environment. I will say, especially this morning, the Trump
administration is emphasizing and arguing that there is no classified
information that was exchanged in that text chain, and that
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there were no war plans there. So that is the
line of argument that the Trump administration is so far using.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I saw the text because the discredited terrible reporter Jeff
Goldberg posted the receipts. So I mean, I'm staring at
and literally as we speak it sure seems like sure
seems like that looks very classified e and war planning
to me. Did you did you think did you think otherwise?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm not sure, but I think we'll have to see.
I mean, we have several in top intelligence officials who
are testifying before Congress this morning, including Tulphy Gabbert, the
Director of National Intelligence, and John Ratcliffe, CIA Director, who
were both in that text chain, or who appeared to
be in that text chain.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
All right, Julia Shapiro from The Hill, Julia, thanks so much,
you really appreciate your time and your insight.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Then obviously finding out that other bad actors may also
be interested in hacking into such a chat fascinating. Let
me just real quick here, guys, let me just go
over this. Uh yeah, well that would not be that's opinion.
That's probably not question. This is from Pete Hegsath. Question
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is timing. I feel like now is a good time.
Is as as good a time as any given potis
directive to reopen shipping lanes. I think we should go,
but potis still retains twenty four hours of decision space. Well,
that sounds like sounds like advice that would be classified.
We're about to start bombing somebody. It does sound a
bit like war plans too. Huh. From someone else identified
(23:22):
as sm as, I heard it, the president was clear
green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt in
Europe what we expect in return. We also need to
figure out how to enforce such a requirement. And they
go on to that HEGs of degrees. I gotta tell you,
sure seems sure, seems like that's war plans. In fact,
(23:43):
here they say this, this is interesting. If the US
successfully restores freedom of navigation at great costs, there needs
to be some further economic gain extracted in return. In
other words, yeah, we'll make sure that those shipping lanes
are protected as long as we're getting something out of
it more than just our shipping. I suppose before we
check with Garyan Shanner here in a moment, I don't know
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if you happen to see that Facebook is doing everything
they can to make sure you don't get a copy
of the Tell All Book, which is totally false. That's
why we're spending so much time and effort trying to
stop it from coming out. Sarah Wynn Williams is a
former big wig at Facebook. She was a chief operating officer.
She was there for six years. She writes this tell
(24:25):
All book that basically says things were ugly and that
the company was trying to manipulate and pass along misinformation
and all sorts of things. So now Metta sued her
and said, you can't go telling everybody all this stuff
because that's not true. And so we've got a prime
(24:47):
example of the streisand effect is strissand effect. Of course,
the more you try to stop somebody from knowing something,
the more they want to know that. So Metta is
looking to stifle critics. Public relations staffers and executives working
overdrive last two weeks to discredit her and her anecdote
rich memoir This from the Washington Post. They preemptively sent
reporters negative statements about Win Williams and dispatched current and
(25:10):
former employees to question the veracity of her book. I
happened to see that this has gone global as Australia
was reporting on it as well, and they had a
bit of a sharp rebuke toward.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Metaw Facebook now called Meta said the claims were out
of date and false, suing Win Williams and Winning and
Alberta ruled that she has to stop promoting the book
and stop further publication.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, but it's still like a bestseller now because basically
Facebook gave her the kind of free promotion she could
have possibly paid for.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's a sharp pivot from Meta with Zuckerberg promoting more
free speech just weeks ago, and.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes
and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like
a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Unless it's against us.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
That is a term set stopping this book. I've only
served too amplified further.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Which is exactly what I said, Gary and Shannon joining
us right now. Guys, this feels like a big misstep
by Facebook. But also does anyone under forty use Facebook
any longer? Kids do not know.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
My kids don't know what it is. If they did,
they've forgotten long long ago what it was. But it's
I mean, this is a miscalculation of human nature. You
can't tell people whatever you do, do not look in
this box. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, everybody's
going to look in the box, Like, why.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Don't you want me to look in the box. Of
course they're gonna of course they're going to read this book.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
But I also think, I mean your point about outder
the age of forty, they're not going to go They're
not going to know what Facebook is.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
They're not going to use it.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
For those people over forty, the people who still know
how to read, this would be kind of a fascinating
book for some of us.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Probably.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm glad you brought that up, because nobody under forty's
reading books either. That's a really great point, Garry. In fact,
I of your your uh, your analogy of the box.
The more you say don't look in the box, the
more we want to see what's in the box. What's
in the box? And it was Gwyneth Paltrow's head.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Uh it was yeah, spoiler.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh sorry buddy. Yeah. Also, wait until you hear what
the lead actor in that movie turned out to do.
That was Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh boy, I can't wait to read that book.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I miss him.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I miss him.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And wasn't it like assault light?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I mean basically I don't think he was ever convicted
of it, right, I mean he was a really good actor.
I miss him in a there's.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
A fine line between battery and tickling. I mean, let's
let's give the guy another shot. Right, We're a land
of second chances.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean, I'm gonna let you guys tackle that one.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm looking forward to the program. Have fun with that. Gary,
thanks all right? At them?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Not me?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can't wait. Gary and Shannon next. Chris Maryland for Bill Handle.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Pleasure being with you. It is an honor as always
to share the microphone with KFI is tech guy Rich Dimiro.
You hear him live Rich on tech is every Saturday
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Rich.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good talk to you again. They're my friend. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Ay, good morning too, Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hey, before we dive into some of the stuff that
affects like our computers and our cell phones and things
like that, can you help me understand this signal app
that is in the news today, because this is the
one that the Secretary of Defense and the National Security
Advice and the Vice President accidentally added a discredited and
terrible journalist who pushes hoax paxes, so called journalists, they
(00:59):
called him, and yet they somehow accidentally added into their
private chat about classified information. How does that happen?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well? I have lots of thoughts on this now. Number one,
how does it happen? I mean we all know how
this happens. I mean, how many times have you replied
to a text in the wrong text? I mean I've
done it a million times. How many times have you
written an email to someone included them on the wrong
You know you included someone by accident because you know
you get that autocomplete. So I understand how this all happened.
(01:28):
I think the bigger issue here is why are governments
using this messaging app if they're not supposed to be.
But again I understand that as well, because how many
times does your company tell you to use a certain
app to do something? Most of the time, if you're
in a corporate environment, it's something they have said, Hey,
we pay for teams, we pay for Google Workspace, we
(01:49):
want you to text through this, And people use their
own preferred personal apps. And that's really what happens here
on a much bigger level. So and I'm not saying
I agree with any of those things. I'm just saying
that this is kind of like, we're human and we
understand why these things happen, but these steaks are bigger
here obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now that's a great point, Rachel's. It's it's a it's
a it's an issue of steaks, and you really humanized
it because I, for one, do exactly what you're talking about.
I love to use Google Docs. It's super simple. I
use Google Docs at work. My company wants me to
use the Microsoft three sixty five workspace or whatever that is, right,
(02:29):
and I don't like doing that because the Google Docs
is super simple for me. So I get that. But
the stakes are a whole lot lower. If somebody hacks
into my into my show notes, they might see that
I plan on talking about meta with Garyan Shannon today
at eight point fifty. They probably don't care. When it
comes to military attacks, there are stakes no higher than that.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, agreed, And now here's the deal. They were using
an app that if you were going to use an
app that is for secure messaging. Signal is the most
secure app out there. It has been known to be
the most secure messaging app in the world pretty much,
uh for the average person that can download it is
open source, so you know, people can check on this
(03:13):
app to see kind of the code behind it, and
that's what keeps it really secure. You can only install
it on one device at a time, so you you know,
this is the reason why I never really used it,
because you know the fact is with these encrypted apps not.
There is almost no messaging app out there that is
end to end encrypted by default. There are only two
that I know of, and that is Signal and WhatsApp.
(03:36):
WhatsApp has a lot of security implications because it's owned
by Meta, and so even though they are securing that
app and to end with encryption, they are collecting a
whole bunch of other data on you while you're using
that app. Signal does not do that. And so if
they had to pick an app to share, you know,
trade secrets, this is probably the app to do it with.
(03:58):
Should they be doing that, probably, no matter what, And
You're right, the stakes are much higher. But I'm explaining,
like you know, how this happens on a human basis.
We gravitate towards the things that we know and like
and are easier.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I understand that, but also I think this is interesting.
Rich are you You talked about how easy it is
to respond to an email that's wrong, or to you know,
to respond to a text message to the wrong person.
I can't tell you how many times I've told my
buddies in a group chat because I'm you know, we're
talking about fantasy football. My wife is telling me you know,
pick up milk and I accidentally tell nine of my
(04:33):
best guy friends love you. Where something sexy tonight? It
is awkward, wow, and yeah it's great, it's it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And then oftent relationship.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, the worst part is is that my wife oftentimes
will then realize that I'm doing something wrong. She'll start
giving me fantasy football advice. I've lost more leagues that way. So,
but when it comes to a group text, if I'm
trying to add someone to my group chat, I've never
used signal, and so this is why I'm I'm asking you,
I've never used it. Is it really simple to just
simply reply to the wrong one? For instance, when I'm
(05:05):
replying when I think I'm replying to my wife, but
I'm accidentally telling my group of fantasy football friends I
love you, it doesn't bring her into that chat. Adding
somebody to that chat now means creating a new.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Chat, right, And I don't know the right And I
don't know the logistics of what happened here how this
person got added, But I'm guessing that they thought they
added someone else to the group text. Yea, and it
was someone you know, whoever created this group text. This
journalist from the Atlantic was in their address book, right,
so they must have been communicating with them in some
(05:37):
way or shape or form. They typed in a few
letters thinking it was someone else, it auto completed to
this person and boom they were added. So that's probably
the best explanation for that. I don't think there's a
world where they put this person on the group chat
in a secretive way to get them kind of to
see what's happening, because that it just doesn't make sense
(05:57):
with what they were discussing, right. This was a very
inside baseball group of people. I mean, you're talking the
highest level of our government here on this group chat.
So that's the part that I don't think they just
responded and brought him in. I think that it was
a group chat that was created or added to later
and this person was put in mistakenly.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Kaf ice tech guy Rich Demiro It is Rich on
Tech before we check with Amy King at a quick
news update here speaking of data security, what's going on
with the Google It sounds like they accidentally deleted a
bunch of my stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, well, this is a feature. It's not like Gmail,
it's not photos. So the big ones that people rely
on or Google Drive like you mentioned earlier. But this
is a feature called Maps Timeline, which you might not
even be familiar with. I was because I really enjoyed it.
It's basically a feature inside Maps that keeps track of
all the places you visit around the world. So I
had this nice list of like three hundred locations that
(06:56):
I had been to from you know, day one when
I got my Android phone and now or my iPhone.
It works on both. But apparently there was a technical issue,
a glitch, and this information got deleted and so if
you didn't have it backed up, which you probably didn't,
it's gone forever. And the whole thing is that Google
took this information it used to be saved by by default.
(07:18):
They took it off of people's clouds to put it
on their phone, so that was more private, and of
course that's you know, it turned out to be bad
because now there's no backup of it anywhere else. So
and there's anyway they.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Don't consider redundancy when they're doing those doing those switchovers.
That feels like it feels like a kind of a
bone headed error.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well it's interesting because they said last year, hey, we're
moving this to your phone for your privacy. So if
you didn't specifically back it up and tell us to
back it up in your cloud, we're not having we're
not keeping that information anymore. So I think that's what
happened is people like me who are still kind of
in the middle and still had it on their cloud. Yeah,
somehow it got deleted and now it's gone forever.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And now you don't even remember that you went to Botswana.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
No, I can't remember my time in China Russia.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Exactly what China? Why did you forget that that's what
all those shots were.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, you know, I couldn't even use Twitter when I
was there, so it was not fun anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Rich the California Attorney General is the only attorney general
that is warning people about their data with twenty three
and me. How concerned should I be that twenty three
and me might misplace my spit?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, let's put it this way. Twenty three and Me
always one of the top sellers on Amazon's Prime Day
every year, like these little test kits are. I mean,
they sell tons of them, So I think there's a
lot of people that have their information in these databases.
The concern here is that twenty three and Me has
filed for bankruptcy protection, and that means there could be
(08:51):
another company or group or organization that takes control of
all of their information and we don't know. Even though
twenty three and ME in the past has kind of said, look,
we have pretty strict rules when it comes to how
we protect your data. We don't know if the next
company will come along and play the same way. So
the ag here in California says, you know what, you
(09:11):
should go and delete your genetic data immediately. And so
this has been going around. I posted the instructions on
my Instagram, but basically going on their website, which was
very slow yesterday, because I guess many many people are
doing this. But should you be concerned, I'd say that
we it's unknown at this point, but if you feel
better having this information deleted, go ahead and download it
(09:34):
and get it out of there, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So maybe a better safe than sorry situation on the jet.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Nothing has changed just yet, but we just don't know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I think that's reasonable. Then, Rich you mentioned earlier someone
about your Android phone. Then you mentioned your iPhone. I'm
guessing as the tech guy who I incidentally, I'm a
fan so let me just fanboy out for a moment.
I also know that you have some incarnation of everything
that's out there. You've got Samsung Galaxy threes all the
(10:03):
way up to Galaxy one hundred twenty two's that people
won't see for another thirty years. You've got all of those.
And then you've also got every iPhone from the first
iPhone prototype all the way. People don't know this, but
Rich actually has the iPhone twenty one and.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
That I'll tell people that I'm under NDA.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh sorry, my bad. So Rich, You've got a little
bit of everything there. What's the lady's here? With Samsung?
I know they're they're looking at a at a software
update and I just had to update my iPhone as
well because of the AI stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, and I'm sure you're using a lot of it.
I'm just kidding because most people aren't on the iPhone.
But you know, I do love the corners that Siri
glows with now, I mean, that's pretty cool. My little
trick on my little trick on the iPhone with the
Siri improvements? Is that series pretty bad? I use her
only to send a text. But if you say, basically,
(10:55):
if you preface all of your requests now with ask
chat GBT, it's so much better because it'll just skip
the middle man and just go right to chat BT.
But Samsung, so they they were early on this whole
AI stuff. They were first out of the gate with
their AI on their phone in a big way, and
(11:15):
they have been updating their recent phones with this situation.
But the basically the new update that they have is
one UI seven and they said that finally on April seventh,
that will be rolling out to the previous models, starting
with the S twenty four series, the Galaxy Fold six,
and the Flip six. So if you have one of
these older models, you will be getting the new one
(11:37):
UI seven on April or starting from April seventh. And Chris,
if you're not familiar with the way Samsung works versus iPhone,
iPhone pretty much puts everything out on the same day
for everyone, like all the supported models, but a lot
of the other manufacturers they sort of roll out the
software updates and it's kind of frustrating because it takes
(11:58):
a lot more time for it to reach the older models.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh so you might not know when you're getting the
update then.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, Like they come out with all these new and
I actually think some of it is a sales tactic
because you know what if Samsung wants you to do,
they want you to buy the new phone, and so
I think that, you know, that's where they make their money,
whereas you know, Google not so much and iPhone definitely
not as much. Of course, they depend on those sales.
But Apple is a much bigger kind of eco play
(12:28):
system right where they know, even if you have an
older iPhone, you're still gonna be paying for that cloud storage.
You might be picking up an iPad, you might get
a MacBook because you love the iPhone so much, you
might get a smart watch. So it's a much bigger play,
which is why they support so many older devices over
the years, as opposed to some of these other companies.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Kaf Tech guy Richarie Mero Rich real quick as we
talk about AI, and I have to admit I feel
like a fogie when it comes to AI because my
adoption on this is really slow. I'm kind of waiting
for it to find its footing. I feel like once
we start getting some of the kings ironed out, then
I'll I'll invest some time. Otherwise, I feel like everything's
changing too quickly. One of those changes though, sounds like
(13:10):
open ai is trying to enhance some of their their
voice capabilities. Is that right? So when I how does
this work? When I talk with chat GPT, does it
talk back?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, there's like a there's a now you can always
have all the ais kind of read you the answers.
That's one way. But then there's this feature that's almost
like talking to an AI human, and that is what's
the voice assistant. That's what the feature is. Advanced Voice
Mode is what it's technically called. Gemini has it, Open
ai has it with chat GBT, and when you activate this,
(13:42):
it literally sounds like you are talking to a human
being that is the smartest human being in the world.
And open ai says they just made theirs better. It
interrupts you less, it's more natural, it's more engaging. I
was talking to it this morning and it is. It's
a little basically when you used to take a breath,
if you were asking it something, it would jump in
(14:03):
and talk. And now it kind of lets you take
that breath a little bit and gives you that moment
of pause where it doesn't just try to jump in immediately.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh, Like it's listening like, not like my wife, but
like a friend.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah theoretically yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Because my wife jumps in. You don't even let me
get a breath in. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Some people do. Some people do that on the radio,
like I've been known to do that. I'll be like, hey, wait,
what did you just say something? Hold on?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
How come Siri doesn't do this? When is Apple going
to make their stuff sound like I'm talking, like Siri's
talking back to me, like I'm holding a conversation. How
long do I have to wait for that to happen,
like you said, Sirius sex. When does it get better?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh my gosh, there's just a big article going around
on the internet about how bad AI is on the iPhone,
specifically Siri, because she was really first out of the
gate and very very good for many years, and now
she is way last and it's not getting better for
at least another year. So all the stuff that Apple
promised with Siri getting better is not even happening for
(15:00):
another year. So get used to it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't want to Rich on Tech follow him Instagram,
rich on Tech, and on his website rich on Tech
Dot tv kfi's tech guy Richdimiro Rich always great talking
to you. Thank you so much, my friend.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Thanks Chris, love it, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yep. The big story today is that we come to
find out there were war plans, but don't tell the
Secretary of Defense that. He says they were not war plans.
That we're shared on the Signal app, which is end
to end secure encryption. You heard Rich Darmiro, our tech guy,
talking about that in our last segment, and he said,
of all of the easily available apps, it's the most secure,
(15:38):
but it certainly is not as secure as say the
government skiffs, which is how you're supposed to be sharing
classified information when it needs to be shared. So sounds
like they were doing a group text in the same
way that you might put together plans to go to
the Dodgers opening day with a bunch of buddies. You go,
he what time you let me pick you up? Were
(16:01):
you porking? These guys are saying, Hey, we need to
bomb the Hooti rebels and Yemen. Cool, which direction are
we coming in from? And so the National Security Advisor,
Secretary of Defense, vice President were on this chat. And
then the National Security Advisor added a reporter, a journalist,
and this is a guy who writes for the Atlantic,
(16:23):
and he kept the screenshots. I mean, he thought, this
can't be real. This has got to be somebody who's
catfishing me soon somehow, right, and come to find out, Nope,
it was legit. And now the Defense Department has verified that, Yeah,
that was legit. And when asked about this, the Secretary
of Defense Pete hegsith, he didn't deny anything other than
(16:48):
he said there were no war plans on there, but
I don't know. I saw the text. It kind of
looks like war plans to me. And then he went
on to say, deceitful and highly discredited so called journalist
who's made a profession of pedaling hopeses time and time again.
So evidently they inadvertently added a deceitful, dishonest so called
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journalist to their Hey, guys, let's go to war chat.
Joining us right now is Julia Shapiro from the Hill
and Julia. This is concerning, obviously for the security breach
that it represents, the wild hypocrisy between the Hillary Clinton
emails on a private server and now what they're doing
with classified information on this chat. But there may be
another security issue here at play. I saw your article
(17:33):
there at the Hill today. Sounds like, sook, this is
something that Russia might might appreciate.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, So Signal, like you mentioned, is an end and
crint and end encrypted messing platform, but it's not perfect.
There are still ways to kind of trade the app
and to gain access to it. So Google's Threat Intelligence
group reported last month that some cyber actors aligned with
Russia have been targeting Signal through its linked devices feature,
(18:04):
which was letting them eavesdrop on some private conversations that
were happening on the app.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Have they been successful in doing that? We know they're
trying in And then is this is this high end sabotage?
Are these hackers sitting away typing out code or is
this what we would call social engineering type hacks?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
So this sort of falls into the category of fishing.
So they send out QR codes through various means that
pose as you know, Signal resources, or they'll embedd them
on websites. So far, they've mainly been targeting Ukrainian the
Ukrainian military, which have been you know, a focus of
(18:51):
Russian intelligence so far. But it is more standard fishing
than any sort of particular coding.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
All Right, so this is kind of like when Grandma
clicks out a link that she's not supposed to click on,
then all of a sudden we find that we may
be sharing national security secrets.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
YEP. Essentially, it gives them access then as another link
device to view all the same messages that are coming
into the victim's phone as well, so they can eavesdrop
on it. And Google has said it's you know, it's
a high risk that this could go on for a
while undetected.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So Julia Shapiro from The Hill talking about how the
Kremlin is trying to use this for hacking. Do we
know of other instances or other groups that might be
trying to hack something like that? For instance, suppose I'm
I'm a super smart computer wizzy tech guy who happens
to be a hooty rebel, and I may be interested
in finding out when we're about to be attacked. Is
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it possible that I might be working on something very
similar to what Russia's doing? Are there others doing it?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Not that I'm aware of or that I've seen yet,
But this is is, you know, a fairly straightforward hack
that someone could do. It simply involves changing the code
in these QR codes and making them appear, you know,
to be a legit resource or you know, on a website.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So, Julia, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask
just a personal question. If you have a group texting,
do you ever inadvertently add someone to your group text
Because I'm so I'm so so much of a luddite
when it comes to this that I get confused when
I have to try to add somebody. I can't even
add somebody to a team's message for Pete's sake, and
it has a ad person click here button. It seems
(20:37):
like it's a little more complicated than just simply bring
somebody else in, especially if it's a discredited journalist who
we all hate. That seems very peculiar to me.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, it definitely. You know, I have not added anyone
that I didn't know to a group chap before, but
I guess it could theoretically happen, you know, if you're
just going through a lot of contacts and numbers to
add someone into a signal chat.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And again, if I can get your personal opinion on this,
if you were perhaps discussing classified information, is that something
that you would just randomly grab a number of contacts
and just bring them all in or is that something
you think maybe you'd be more careful with.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
So it does seem like something that would probably in
most cases be discussed in some sort of some more
secure environment. I will say, especially this morning, the Trump
administration is emphasizing and arguing that there is no classified
information that was exchanged in that text chain, and that
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there were no war plans there. So that is the
line of argument that the Trump administration is so far using.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I saw the text because the discredited terrible reporter Jeff
Goldberg posted the receipts. So I mean, I'm staring at
and literally as we speak it sure seems like sure
seems like that looks very classified e and war planning
to me. Did you did you think did you think otherwise?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm not sure, but I think we'll have to see.
I mean, we have several in top intelligence officials who
are testifying before Congress this morning, including Tulphy Gabbert, the
Director of National Intelligence, and John Ratcliffe, CIA Director, who
were both in that text chain, or who appeared to
be in that text chain.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
All right, Julia Shapiro from The Hill, Julia, thanks so much,
you really appreciate your time and your insight.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Then obviously finding out that other bad actors may also
be interested in hacking into such a chat fascinating. Let
me just real quick here, guys, let me just go
over this. Uh yeah, well that would not be that's opinion.
That's probably not question. This is from Pete Hegsath. Question
(22:57):
is timing. I feel like now is a good time.
Is as as good a time as any given potis
directive to reopen shipping lanes. I think we should go,
but potis still retains twenty four hours of decision space. Well,
that sounds like sounds like advice that would be classified.
We're about to start bombing somebody. It does sound a
bit like war plans too. Huh. From someone else identified
(23:22):
as sm as, I heard it, the president was clear
green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt in
Europe what we expect in return. We also need to
figure out how to enforce such a requirement. And they
go on to that HEGs of degrees. I gotta tell you,
sure seems sure, seems like that's war plans. In fact,
(23:43):
here they say this, this is interesting. If the US
successfully restores freedom of navigation at great costs, there needs
to be some further economic gain extracted in return. In
other words, yeah, we'll make sure that those shipping lanes
are protected as long as we're getting something out of
it more than just our shipping. I suppose before we
check with Garyan Shanner here in a moment, I don't know
(24:04):
if you happen to see that Facebook is doing everything
they can to make sure you don't get a copy
of the Tell All Book, which is totally false. That's
why we're spending so much time and effort trying to
stop it from coming out. Sarah Wynn Williams is a
former big wig at Facebook. She was a chief operating officer.
She was there for six years. She writes this tell
(24:25):
All book that basically says things were ugly and that
the company was trying to manipulate and pass along misinformation
and all sorts of things. So now Metta sued her
and said, you can't go telling everybody all this stuff
because that's not true. And so we've got a prime
(24:47):
example of the streisand effect is strissand effect. Of course,
the more you try to stop somebody from knowing something,
the more they want to know that. So Metta is
looking to stifle critics. Public relations staffers and executives working
overdrive last two weeks to discredit her and her anecdote
rich memoir This from the Washington Post. They preemptively sent
reporters negative statements about Win Williams and dispatched current and
(25:10):
former employees to question the veracity of her book. I
happened to see that this has gone global as Australia
was reporting on it as well, and they had a
bit of a sharp rebuke toward.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Metaw Facebook now called Meta said the claims were out
of date and false, suing Win Williams and Winning and
Alberta ruled that she has to stop promoting the book
and stop further publication.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, but it's still like a bestseller now because basically
Facebook gave her the kind of free promotion she could
have possibly paid for.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's a sharp pivot from Meta with Zuckerberg promoting more
free speech just weeks ago, and.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes
and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like
a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Unless it's against us.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
That is a term set stopping this book. I've only
served too amplified further.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Which is exactly what I said, Gary and Shannon joining
us right now. Guys, this feels like a big misstep
by Facebook. But also does anyone under forty use Facebook
any longer? Kids do not know.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
My kids don't know what it is. If they did,
they've forgotten long long ago what it was. But it's
I mean, this is a miscalculation of human nature. You
can't tell people whatever you do, do not look in
this box. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, everybody's
going to look in the box, Like, why.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Don't you want me to look in the box. Of
course they're gonna of course they're going to read this book.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
But I also think, I mean your point about outder
the age of forty, they're not going to go They're
not going to know what Facebook is.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
They're not going to use it.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
For those people over forty, the people who still know
how to read, this would be kind of a fascinating
book for some of us.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Probably.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm glad you brought that up, because nobody under forty's
reading books either. That's a really great point, Garry. In fact,
I of your your uh, your analogy of the box.
The more you say don't look in the box, the
more we want to see what's in the box. What's
in the box? And it was Gwyneth Paltrow's head.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Uh it was yeah, spoiler.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh sorry buddy. Yeah. Also, wait until you hear what
the lead actor in that movie turned out to do.
That was Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh boy, I can't wait to read that book.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I miss him.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I miss him.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And wasn't it like assault light?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I mean basically I don't think he was ever convicted
of it, right, I mean he was a really good actor.
I miss him in a there's.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
A fine line between battery and tickling. I mean, let's
let's give the guy another shot. Right, We're a land
of second chances.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean, I'm gonna let you guys tackle that one.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm looking forward to the program. Have fun with that. Gary,
thanks all right? At them?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Not me?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can't wait. Gary and Shannon next. Chris Maryland for Bill Handle.
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