January 6, 2026 • 29 mins
(January 06,2025)
KTLA & KFI tech reporter Rich DeMuro joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich is live from CES in Las Vegas to talk about Wearphone the wearable privacy mask for your voice, Jenny the highly realistic therapeutic robotic dog, and Timeeli the personal safety system. Federal Criminal defense lawyer Michael Zweiback comes on the show to speak on Maduro’s trial, charges, and defense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Here.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It is a Tuesday morning, January sixth. You know, it's
been five years since January sixth, and there's a hearing
going on in Capitol Hill, all Democrats talking about the
aftermath of what happened and what happened that day. Kind
of interesting obviously, to say the lease and some of
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the other big stories that we're covering is the big one,
of course, Benezuela, a leader, former leader Nicholas Maduro and
his wife. They pled not guilty yesterday to drug and
weapons charges in their first court of parents and that's
going to be going on. As a matter of fact,
I'm going to talk more about that at eight thirty
with Michael's wee back friend of mine who happens to
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be a federal criminal defense attorney and he's been on
both sides too, so we'll talk to him. But now
it is time for Rich Tomorrow, which we do every Tuesday.
And Rich, you are at cees, which you do every year.
You and one hundred and thirty thousand of your best
friends are there. Rich heard every Saturday right here on KFI.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right, Rich, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You're at CS one hundred and thirty thousand people there,
I don't know how many thousands of exhibits. What have
you seen that has knocked you on your butt?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, here's the thing about CES. It is. Yes, like
you said, it's a big show. There's a ton to see.
You can't see it all, that's number one. But you
do your best. So I've been walking an average of
about twenty two thousand steps the first two days. And
by the way, the show floor hasn't even opened. It
actually opens this morning, so they do you know, not
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only does the convention center get filled up, but then
all these companies rent out rooms in pretty much every
hotel surrounding the strip and have you know, they all
want to get you there. So that's really what I
did for the past two days. You just go to
all these different meetings and they have these smaller shows.
It's a whole wild thing, a couple of things. So
number one AI is making its way into everything. We
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know that, Bill. I don't know if you remember this thing.
Do you remember a thing called the flow be back
in the day it would give you a haircut?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, I do actually okay.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So they've got this new device called the Glide, which
I called the high tech AI version of the flow be.
So you take this barbershop clipper and you use the
app to say what kind of haircut you want, and
you just roll it on your head and it automatically
adjusts the length of the clipper based on your head
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and the AI so you can give yourself your own
haircut with this Glide device. I did press the company
a little bit. I said, come on, this is not
something everyone could do, and they said, well, we admit
that the sides are definitely easier than the back. So
I think we're going to see the mullet come back.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh that would be fantastic. And by the way it
slices and dices, isn't it In addition to okay.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You're here speaking of that slicing and dicing. Perfect segue
to my next gadget. Have you ever heard of an
ultrasonic knife?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Not an ultrasonic knife. I know that there are knives
that move. I have a razor that I use a
Gillette to shave, and it has and it buzzes in
you know, zillion times a second, and it just works better.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But not ultrasonic guy, So explain that one.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, so this one, this is from Seattle Ultrasonics. That's
a chef knife for your house. It's the first of
its kind. And the guy spent six years. He'sought it
was gonna take him six months to figure this out.
It took them six years to figure it out. The
knife vibrates about forty thousand times per second, so the blade.
I tried it cutting through a tomato and it can
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help people, you know, cut with less force, so fifty
percent less force and everything glides off. So if you're
cutting through cheese or something like that, you know, if
you're cutting the cheese. OK, didn't realize that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Thank goodness, this is radio So that works, doesn't it. Yeah,
I'm just curious because, yeah, because I do a lot
of slicing and dicing. How much is this puppy? Is
it for sale yet?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah? Three hundred and fifty for the knife, one hundred
and fifty for the charging station. You know, it's one
of those things where I put it in that category
of it's brand new right now, Like do you remember
when the Sonic Care toothbrush came out, you know, thirty
years ago? It was super expensive. It was high tech.
Now every toothbrush and like you said, your razor vibrates,
you know, but this is ultra sonic. So it's gonna
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you know, it's gonna be a little bit higher end
than anything else out there.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I certainly want to spend five hundred dollars to
cut a tomato. Yeah, that makes sense. What about dinner? Yeah, yeah,
no kidding. We always talk about this, and I always
ask you this, What products have that just floored you
and you went, wow, that's terrific.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's one question. I know we get some years and
some years pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And are there any blow you away new technology? For example,
when the iPhone came out, I mean that was massive,
beyond massive.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Anything close to that happening, I.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Haven't seen anything close to that just yet. I mean, really,
this year it's all about the AI. And the thing
about AI is that it's not necessarily a new product.
It's really just a new way of using the product.
So I'll give you one example that I'm seeing over
and over now with these TVs. Almost all the major
manufacturers are now using AI to let you enhance the dialogue.
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So one of the biggest problems with TV. You're watching
a movie or a TV show, you can barely hear
what the people are saying for some reason. And so
now I saw a both at Samsung and Google. They're
both using technology that lets you separate that speech track
and just hear that. And so that's one example of
something that's kind of cool. It's not like mind boggling,
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but it's like, Okay, that could be very helpful for
a lot of people that can't necessarily hear what's being
said on the screen, and it just separates that dialogue
and it's just one more use of AI out there.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, but this is why God invented subtitles, because yeah,
over fifty percent of us, and I didn't know this
in the United States actually watched TV with subtitles.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I watch every show, and now there are certain shows
that you have to have subtitles to watch, Peaky Blinders
being one of them. Phenomenal show. It's I think I
out of Ireland. You cannot understand one word they say,
and it's supposed to be English, but in general, and
you know, here is with the I'm moving into this
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because I'm just fascinated by this, and that is a subtitles.
It's real time subtitling, and it's an algorithm that does
this correct.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Depends on what you're watching. But yes, AI has definitely
done a lot for news and live programming with AI
with subtitles, for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There you are at CES and you've been able to
cover a whole lot of it. When one of the
questions I always ask you is what were the most
impressive products that you saw? And the other side of it,
what were the ones that were so stupid you couldn't
believe it?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh gosh, oh my Okay, So last night we saw
a product and this is not stupid. This is I mean,
this is silly, but it's interesting. We saw a product
that you put in your toilet and it tests your
urination for hydration. Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I think absolutely, that's not silly when you think about it,
that's not you know, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The idea, Yeah, I just I've just seen the idea
of the smart toilet is really taking off, because I mean,
it's just it's silly to talk about, but you know,
your flush down all of this vital information, and we've
gotten so obsessed with tracking metrics and health stats, you know,
with these rings and these watches and people. You know,
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I saw two different versions of glucose monitoring for the
everyday person, not for someone with diabetes. So there's now
these arm patches you can put on and they talk
to your phone and they show you, you know, your
blood sugar levels throughout the day. So we're really seeing
a trend of basically everyone wants to have every health
stat they can. And yeah, so we saw we're seeing
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smart toilets that measure all kinds of things like urination
for hydration, which they said is very important. It's a
very important marker of your health.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, and I think it is, or at least I'm
told it is by doctor Jim who's with us every week.
Here's a fun one that I want you to talk about.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You saw this, right, Jenny, the therapeutic robotic dog that's
supposed to be a what else a lap dog?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah. Now this is an example of one of those
things that you see and you're like, Okay, give me
a break. Who needs a fake dog? Right, like we've
seen so many. Then when you hear the story behind it.
It's a company called Tombot. They're actually out of the
La area. They are making this thing called Jenny, and
it's a it's like you said, it's a lap dog.
It doesn't walk, it doesn't you know, it doesn't really talk.
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But it's for people with dementia or Alzheimer's. So it's
for people that you know, want a dog or want
a companion, but they can't have a companion, know, for
safety reasons or for you know, they just simply can't
care for it. And this company went to great lengths
to develop this thing. They worked with Jim Henson's creature shop.
So I'm not kidding Bill. When I saw this dog,
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you have an emotional connection with it, unlike any robot
I've ever seen before. Just the way it moves, the eyes,
the tail, it's soft, it's cuddly, it responds to all
kinds of touch and commands. And the only thing I
will say is that I did. I did hold it.
And again it's not for it's for your lap so
you're supposed to sort of pet it. But this thing
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shed all over me just like a real dog, which
I thought was kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And do we have prices on this stuff?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I know your tomato cutter came in at five hundred
dollars for the cutter itself, the knife, and the charging station,
which I thought was kind of neat any idea with
this stuff costs and because the technology is well, let
me ask you exactly, is the technology really high end
or is.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It basically off the shelf stuff that you can get now.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think the Jenny technology, this robot dog is pretty
high end stuff. This is a you know, robotics company,
and I think that they did a pretty good job. Now, again,
it's not moving it, it's not walking, so it's not
you know, we've seen a thousand robots. You know, you've
seen those Atlas robots that look like a dog that
kind of move around. They're very nimble. That's a whole
different level. This robot is selling for about fifteen hundred dollars.
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This this pet robot, which I know sounds expensive. But Bill,
I don't know if you've ever had a dog, but
you know, my dog had a problem with it's toenail.
Once one call of the vet, Yeah, come on in
seven hundred dollars later, Okay, your dog's your dog's back
to good again. So dogs are not cheap either.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
No, but if someone has that advanced in Alzheimer's, you
just buy a fluffy slipper and I just say, here,
this is your dog, and that will run you two
cents at Walmart.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Let me tell you, Let me tell you about a
silly one. Let me tell you about a silly one.
Because this this I don't know you. Maybe I'm wrong
on this, but this is like one of those things
where I look at it, I'm like, come on, really, Now,
you know you've got the CA Cup machine, You've got
the Ninja Creamy, You've got all these at home appliances
that make stuff that we used to have to go
out for, right, like ice cream and smoothies and instant coffee.
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So this one's called ice Explosion, okay, and it makes it.
It's basically the equivalent of a seven eleven slushy machine
for your home. So it's a CA Cup kind of pod.
You put it in there, you put some water in there.
It takes about four minutes. And the trick is it
makes carbonated slushy, so not just you know it's slush,
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it's carbonated. In about four minutes. They say it's the
first of its kind ever for the house. It also
makes you know, they have that soda stream machine. People
love that I didn't know this because I don't use
the soda stream. But that soda comes out warm, so
you have to put it in the fridge to keep
it cold or to get it cold. This makes ice
cold soda in about two minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So that single is that that's a single use or
a single cup that they offer, is.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, it's it's maybe a couple like a couple of
small surveys, like maybe two small surveys. Yeah, so it's
and by the way, you got to wait a minute
between each drink, So I don't know who needs a
slurpy that badly. But you know, to spend seven hundred
dollars on this machine, by the way, plus a dollar
for the CA cups. But you know, it's one of
those things that's there. It's out there, and you know,
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we'll see what happens now.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And when you talk about AI being.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Involved in everything, AI is simply in the products that
are being produced, right, And do they push the fact
that we're using AI or do they push the fact
that look what this can do and just don't even
mention it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's AI?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Oh no, AI is I mean, look for people in
the tech world and I think people are kind of
getting tired of the term AI because it's just like, okay,
give me a break. But when these products can actually
help you accomplish a task that you have done in
the past or we're not able to do in the
past easily, that's when people are interested. So for instance,
I'll just leave you with this one. One of the
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other trends we're seeing is that is this idea of
unlimited memory. So we've seen earbuds, we've seen pendants, we've
seen rings. They all have AI built into them where
they are recording basically your entire day, so four to
five hours at a time, where it's just every person
you meet, every conversation you have, and then AI goes
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and it just puts it all into this memory bank
that you can then ask questions of later. So for
people that are you know, salespeople, business people, this could
be very very helpful, or even for the average person.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And so that's an.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Example of a product we were like, Okay, come on,
give me a break, do we really need that, But
for some people that could be very handy, and it
can even make them more money, make them better in
their job, or just better in their personal life, listening
to their wife's hell them something and you remember it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Actually, so where's this memory held? I mean that you
can't go back what happened a year ago? Is it
up on the cloud or the device itself has enough memory?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Usually the device will will offload it to the cloud,
and yeah, you could go back a year. I mean
the idea is that you know, and we've seen I'm
actually meeting with one of the companies. I think I
can tell you this one of the companies that Amazon
bought that's making this technology. And so I mean it's like,
you know, this is big money. You know, this is
definitely seen as one of the next big frontiers where
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you will wear a ring, you'll wear a necklace, you'll
wear a risk band that will literally record every single
moment of your day. Because data is getting cheaper, cloud
is getting cheaper, Connections are everywhere, and it's become so
cheap to just memorize every single thing that happens to
you and then have AI sort through it later on.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
All right, Rich, thanks as always.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
You have a good one Rich catch over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Thanks Bill.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
All right, And of course, the story we're following, the
international story, is the abduction, the capture of Nicholas Maduro
from his home is very well guarded secure home on
a military base in Caracas, and he's in the United
State with his wife, and they were arraigned, first indicted
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for narco terrorism charges and then they were arraigned and
pled guilty with us. Michael Zwieback. Michael is exactly a
friend of mine. I'm known for a bunch of years,
and he is a federal criminal justice defense attorney also
having worked on the prosecutorial side, so he has seen
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both sides of this.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And Michael, I know you're on your way to court,
which you do regularly.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Thanks for joining us, taking the time, so if you would,
can you go through the timeline what each of these steps.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Were and what Maduro and his wife are looking at
as of today.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well, thank you, Bill. As of today, they've been arraigned
at this point, and they had to be arraigned within
a certain timeod constitutionally once they hit the United States soil.
And now that they've been arraigned and entered not guilty. Please.
At this point, the case will proceed into the discovery phase,
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and I expect that during the discovery phase and during
the early pre trial motions, which I expect to be numerous,
they're going to be dealing with a lot of these
issues related to the extra territorial actions of the United
States and how it impacts the criminal case.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Okay, so I'm assuming that other than the extra territorial issues,
this is your normal run of the mill narcotics case
that I know you've done dozens of these. But the
issue of going in and abducting him, he claims he
is a head of state. We're not recognizing that, which
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I find interesting because we certainly recognize other heads of
state who have they've manufactured results, election results or straight
out dictatorships, and for some reason those guys are heads
of state, but Maduro is not. By the way, is
that going to be brought up saying hey, you have
to recognize me because you recognize.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Them, Well, it's absolutely going to be brought up one
of the central early pre trial motions, and that is
exactly what he's going to argue.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
It's also what Manuel Noriega argued in the case that
he dealt with related to the Panama seizure of the
general and then the prosecution that took place in Miami,
and he argued that he was a head of state
although he wasn't recognized as one, and the courts in
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the No Diega case pretty much relied upon the Department
of State to make the determination as to who is
a legitimate head of state and whether or not they
can claim.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That immunity, and so based on that, since the Trump
administration from the moment the last selection was held in
which Maduro lost overwhelmingly and then dispersed all eliminated all
of the numbers themselves, that's going to be easy to
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establish that the United States does not recognize him as
a head of state and therefore he can't claim immunity
and he can't claim and make any claims as to
his position as head of state?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That is correct?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And I think you know, the other issue that's going
to be raised is, especially as it relates to the
narco terrorism charges, is whether or not bark and the cartels,
which have been designated as terrorist organizations, whether or not
those designations were proper. That charge carries a life term,
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and I expect that there will be a fair bit
of since it's been rarely used, that there will be
litigation surrounding that issue as well as to whether or
not it's appropriate. And one of the things that I
can just add is this is a very independent minded
judge who they are in front of, and so I
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expect that these issues will all be very thoroughly litigated.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Now, this is the judge who is going to be
presiding over the entire case. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Correct? That's the way once he's designated in federal court,
is he will for all proceedings.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Okay, before we take a break, and we're going to
come back and do another segment. And I know the
judges are handed out or the judges are assigned on
a rotating basis, and you can either hit the lottery
or really end up in trouble, much like Glorian hit
the lottery when he got his judge. What do you
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give the grade on this one in terms of being assigned.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
To the judge?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Well, what we know about him and my experience in
front of him when I have cases in New York,
is that he is very independent minded. I don't think
that he's necessarily going to take the government's position as
being the defendantive proof. He's going to look at the
underlying process and procedure that was followed to get to
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the result that ultimately resulted in these types of charges.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Michael's wayback, who is a criminal defense attorney, a federal
criminal defense attorney who's also been a prosecutor, so he
sees both sides of this talking about what's going on
with the Maduro issue, and Michael, as we go through
this trial, we all of America is going to be
riveted to this. Of course, two things going to be
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brought up. First of all, the national security evidence. Let's
talk about that for a moment.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
National security evidence is going to be a central part
of this case. It's clear that the intelligence communities have
been providing information as part of they're not only intelligence investigation,
but also the criminal elements of the case. And so
it's going to require that the defense attorneys receive top
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secret security clearances to review the underlying information that was
the basis of the presentation to the grand jury, and
ultimately it's going to be utilized in some manner at trial.
I do expect that the rest of the evidence in
the case will be sort of a run of the
mill drug conspiracy type case, relying upon cooperators and other evidence,
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but the national security information is going to be part
and parcel of that.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, So how do you do that?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Because, I mean a judge has the ability, of course
to hear national security issues and decide on his or
her own whether it's applicable, whether it can be used
or not, taken into account what the government is saying
or not. But what do you do when national security
interests are at the center or part of the case
and you're in front of a jury and it's an
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open we have an open trial system where the members
it's open court. I mean, you know, welcome to America.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Well, there is something called SIPA, which is the Classifying
Information Procedures Act, which allows for the reviewing of the
underlying intelligence information both by the court and the defense.
It will of course be heavily redacted, and there will
be a lot of pretrial litigation over what elements of
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the information that was the basis for the underlying charges
can be utilized. Some of that information I would assume
the defense may want to use because it's going to
be what's called brading material or exculpatory material, because maybe
the credibility of the sources were always in question, and
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in the intelligence community may have relied upon sources that
were unreliable in obtaining other evidence, and so that sort
of litigation is what can really bog down a case
of this nature that is so heavily dependent on both
national security as well as you know, very tried and
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true criminal process.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, I'm assuming that both Maduro and his wife has
gotten top notch defense attorneys. I don't think money is
a big issue here. Do you happen to know the
attorneys or the names of the attorneys just by chance?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, the one lawyer who apparently has been appointed for
Maduro is the same lawyer that represented Julian Massage, and
so he is going to be very familiar with informations,
the national security procedures and litigation surrounding those types of issues,
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which is an expertise onto itself. If you've never done
a trial, and I have done several as a prosecutor,
where you have that type of information and evidence, it
can bog down a prosecution because there are certain pieces
of information that the government isn't going to necessarily want
to come to light, and that's when you get into
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issues called gray mail, which is where you're essentially trying
to bog down the prosecution in its own intelligence information.
And it's never pleasant for the prosecutor because they're dealing
with the intelligence community agencies which are you know, they
have methods and sources that don't have to pass the
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same kind of scrutiny that you would in a criminal investigation.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm assuming that, of course every bit of legal maneuvering
in which Maduro and his defense attorneys bring up and
lose those are going to be appealed.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Is that a fair assumption.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That's a fair assumption. It took twenty months to get
Noriega to trial, and while this judge has a very
quick docket, I still expect that it will take something
around twenty four to thirty months to get this case
to trial, and then of course the appeals will go
on for years.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Is this one of those cases that is so high
profile that the entire prosecution team it would be assigned
just to this case, because I know prosecutors have you
have a panel of cases when you were a prosecutor
just wasn't just one. Is this one of those things
where someone's going to make a career on this for
the next several years.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
They're going to make a career on it, and you're
going to have an army of Department of Justice lawyers
and paralegals, and then of course resources from federal law enforcement.
They're going to be assigned exclusively to this case, and
they're going to be running down information and evidence all
the way up to the day of trial. It doesn't
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stop just because the case was indicted.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And I know this may be premature on this one,
and so I'm not holding you to the fire on
this one, but knowing what you know now, and maybe
I can I even ask the question, is it way
too premature?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
How does it look now for Maduro?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, it obviously looks extremely bad. And I say that
based upon my reading of the indictment. It's very clear
to me and people who are experienced in this area
that there are a number of cooperating witnesses, probably very
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high level cartel members who have been prosecuted as recently
I think there was one six months ago, who have
given evidence against him and will lay out what will
probably be a very compelling case that, as you said,
I'm sure people will be riveted to because it's not
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just about the Venezuelan government. The other political parts of
the case are probably things that you're going to hear about,
which is the interaction between the cartels and the various
different governments in the region.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
By Michael, I'm just giving you a heads up. Be prepared.
You and I are going to be talking a whole
lot during this case.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Sounds good always, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Thanks so much for your information. All right, Mikes, way back. Okay,
who is and he is really well regarded having been
on both sides of the criminal justice system. All right, guys,
we're done. Gary and Shannon are up next, and we're
back again tomorrow. We're once again we start with the
frivolities and hopefully I get to ruin your life.
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It is a Tuesday morning, January sixth. You know, it's
been five years since January sixth, and there's a hearing
going on in Capitol Hill, all Democrats talking about the
aftermath of what happened and what happened that day. Kind
of interesting obviously, to say the lease and some of
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the other big stories that we're covering is the big one,
of course, Benezuela, a leader, former leader Nicholas Maduro and
his wife. They pled not guilty yesterday to drug and
weapons charges in their first court of parents and that's
going to be going on. As a matter of fact,
I'm going to talk more about that at eight thirty
with Michael's wee back friend of mine who happens to
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be a federal criminal defense attorney and he's been on
both sides too, so we'll talk to him. But now
it is time for Rich Tomorrow, which we do every Tuesday.
And Rich, you are at cees, which you do every year.
You and one hundred and thirty thousand of your best
friends are there. Rich heard every Saturday right here on KFI.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right, Rich, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You're at CS one hundred and thirty thousand people there,
I don't know how many thousands of exhibits. What have
you seen that has knocked you on your butt?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, here's the thing about CES. It is. Yes, like
you said, it's a big show. There's a ton to see.
You can't see it all, that's number one. But you
do your best. So I've been walking an average of
about twenty two thousand steps the first two days. And
by the way, the show floor hasn't even opened. It
actually opens this morning, so they do you know, not
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only does the convention center get filled up, but then
all these companies rent out rooms in pretty much every
hotel surrounding the strip and have you know, they all
want to get you there. So that's really what I
did for the past two days. You just go to
all these different meetings and they have these smaller shows.
It's a whole wild thing, a couple of things. So
number one AI is making its way into everything. We
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know that, Bill. I don't know if you remember this thing.
Do you remember a thing called the flow be back
in the day it would give you a haircut?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, I do actually okay.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So they've got this new device called the Glide, which
I called the high tech AI version of the flow be.
So you take this barbershop clipper and you use the
app to say what kind of haircut you want, and
you just roll it on your head and it automatically
adjusts the length of the clipper based on your head
(02:43):
and the AI so you can give yourself your own
haircut with this Glide device. I did press the company
a little bit. I said, come on, this is not
something everyone could do, and they said, well, we admit
that the sides are definitely easier than the back. So
I think we're going to see the mullet come back.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh that would be fantastic. And by the way it
slices and dices, isn't it In addition to okay.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You're here speaking of that slicing and dicing. Perfect segue
to my next gadget. Have you ever heard of an
ultrasonic knife?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Not an ultrasonic knife. I know that there are knives
that move. I have a razor that I use a
Gillette to shave, and it has and it buzzes in
you know, zillion times a second, and it just works better.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But not ultrasonic guy, So explain that one.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, so this one, this is from Seattle Ultrasonics. That's
a chef knife for your house. It's the first of
its kind. And the guy spent six years. He'sought it
was gonna take him six months to figure this out.
It took them six years to figure it out. The
knife vibrates about forty thousand times per second, so the blade.
I tried it cutting through a tomato and it can
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help people, you know, cut with less force, so fifty
percent less force and everything glides off. So if you're
cutting through cheese or something like that, you know, if
you're cutting the cheese. OK, didn't realize that.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Thank goodness, this is radio So that works, doesn't it. Yeah,
I'm just curious because, yeah, because I do a lot
of slicing and dicing. How much is this puppy? Is
it for sale yet?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah? Three hundred and fifty for the knife, one hundred
and fifty for the charging station. You know, it's one
of those things where I put it in that category
of it's brand new right now, Like do you remember
when the Sonic Care toothbrush came out, you know, thirty
years ago? It was super expensive. It was high tech.
Now every toothbrush and like you said, your razor vibrates,
you know, but this is ultra sonic. So it's gonna
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you know, it's gonna be a little bit higher end
than anything else out there.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I certainly want to spend five hundred dollars to
cut a tomato. Yeah, that makes sense. What about dinner? Yeah, yeah,
no kidding. We always talk about this, and I always
ask you this, What products have that just floored you
and you went, wow, that's terrific.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's one question. I know we get some years and
some years pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And are there any blow you away new technology? For example,
when the iPhone came out, I mean that was massive,
beyond massive.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Anything close to that happening, I.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Haven't seen anything close to that just yet. I mean, really,
this year it's all about the AI. And the thing
about AI is that it's not necessarily a new product.
It's really just a new way of using the product.
So I'll give you one example that I'm seeing over
and over now with these TVs. Almost all the major
manufacturers are now using AI to let you enhance the dialogue.
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So one of the biggest problems with TV. You're watching
a movie or a TV show, you can barely hear
what the people are saying for some reason. And so
now I saw a both at Samsung and Google. They're
both using technology that lets you separate that speech track
and just hear that. And so that's one example of
something that's kind of cool. It's not like mind boggling,
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but it's like, Okay, that could be very helpful for
a lot of people that can't necessarily hear what's being
said on the screen, and it just separates that dialogue
and it's just one more use of AI out there.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, but this is why God invented subtitles, because yeah,
over fifty percent of us, and I didn't know this
in the United States actually watched TV with subtitles.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I watch every show, and now there are certain shows
that you have to have subtitles to watch, Peaky Blinders
being one of them. Phenomenal show. It's I think I
out of Ireland. You cannot understand one word they say,
and it's supposed to be English, but in general, and
you know, here is with the I'm moving into this
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because I'm just fascinated by this, and that is a subtitles.
It's real time subtitling, and it's an algorithm that does
this correct.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Depends on what you're watching. But yes, AI has definitely
done a lot for news and live programming with AI
with subtitles, for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There you are at CES and you've been able to
cover a whole lot of it. When one of the
questions I always ask you is what were the most
impressive products that you saw? And the other side of it,
what were the ones that were so stupid you couldn't
believe it?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh gosh, oh my Okay, So last night we saw
a product and this is not stupid. This is I mean,
this is silly, but it's interesting. We saw a product
that you put in your toilet and it tests your
urination for hydration. Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I think absolutely, that's not silly when you think about it,
that's not you know, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The idea, Yeah, I just I've just seen the idea
of the smart toilet is really taking off, because I mean,
it's just it's silly to talk about, but you know,
your flush down all of this vital information, and we've
gotten so obsessed with tracking metrics and health stats, you know,
with these rings and these watches and people. You know,
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I saw two different versions of glucose monitoring for the
everyday person, not for someone with diabetes. So there's now
these arm patches you can put on and they talk
to your phone and they show you, you know, your
blood sugar levels throughout the day. So we're really seeing
a trend of basically everyone wants to have every health
stat they can. And yeah, so we saw we're seeing
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smart toilets that measure all kinds of things like urination
for hydration, which they said is very important. It's a
very important marker of your health.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, and I think it is, or at least I'm
told it is by doctor Jim who's with us every week.
Here's a fun one that I want you to talk about.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You saw this, right, Jenny, the therapeutic robotic dog that's
supposed to be a what else a lap dog?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah. Now this is an example of one of those
things that you see and you're like, Okay, give me
a break. Who needs a fake dog? Right, like we've
seen so many. Then when you hear the story behind it.
It's a company called Tombot. They're actually out of the
La area. They are making this thing called Jenny, and
it's a it's like you said, it's a lap dog.
It doesn't walk, it doesn't you know, it doesn't really talk.
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But it's for people with dementia or Alzheimer's. So it's
for people that you know, want a dog or want
a companion, but they can't have a companion, know, for
safety reasons or for you know, they just simply can't
care for it. And this company went to great lengths
to develop this thing. They worked with Jim Henson's creature shop.
So I'm not kidding Bill. When I saw this dog,
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you have an emotional connection with it, unlike any robot
I've ever seen before. Just the way it moves, the eyes,
the tail, it's soft, it's cuddly, it responds to all
kinds of touch and commands. And the only thing I
will say is that I did. I did hold it.
And again it's not for it's for your lap so
you're supposed to sort of pet it. But this thing
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shed all over me just like a real dog, which
I thought was kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And do we have prices on this stuff?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I know your tomato cutter came in at five hundred
dollars for the cutter itself, the knife, and the charging station,
which I thought was kind of neat any idea with
this stuff costs and because the technology is well, let
me ask you exactly, is the technology really high end
or is.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It basically off the shelf stuff that you can get now.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think the Jenny technology, this robot dog is pretty
high end stuff. This is a you know, robotics company,
and I think that they did a pretty good job. Now, again,
it's not moving it, it's not walking, so it's not
you know, we've seen a thousand robots. You know, you've
seen those Atlas robots that look like a dog that
kind of move around. They're very nimble. That's a whole
different level. This robot is selling for about fifteen hundred dollars.
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This this pet robot, which I know sounds expensive. But Bill,
I don't know if you've ever had a dog, but
you know, my dog had a problem with it's toenail.
Once one call of the vet, Yeah, come on in
seven hundred dollars later, Okay, your dog's your dog's back
to good again. So dogs are not cheap either.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
No, but if someone has that advanced in Alzheimer's, you
just buy a fluffy slipper and I just say, here,
this is your dog, and that will run you two
cents at Walmart.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Let me tell you, Let me tell you about a
silly one. Let me tell you about a silly one.
Because this this I don't know you. Maybe I'm wrong
on this, but this is like one of those things
where I look at it, I'm like, come on, really, Now,
you know you've got the CA Cup machine, You've got
the Ninja Creamy, You've got all these at home appliances
that make stuff that we used to have to go
out for, right, like ice cream and smoothies and instant coffee.
(11:54):
So this one's called ice Explosion, okay, and it makes it.
It's basically the equivalent of a seven eleven slushy machine
for your home. So it's a CA Cup kind of pod.
You put it in there, you put some water in there.
It takes about four minutes. And the trick is it
makes carbonated slushy, so not just you know it's slush,
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it's carbonated. In about four minutes. They say it's the
first of its kind ever for the house. It also
makes you know, they have that soda stream machine. People
love that I didn't know this because I don't use
the soda stream. But that soda comes out warm, so
you have to put it in the fridge to keep
it cold or to get it cold. This makes ice
cold soda in about two minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So that single is that that's a single use or
a single cup that they offer, is.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, it's it's maybe a couple like a couple of
small surveys, like maybe two small surveys. Yeah, so it's
and by the way, you got to wait a minute
between each drink, So I don't know who needs a
slurpy that badly. But you know, to spend seven hundred
dollars on this machine, by the way, plus a dollar
for the CA cups. But you know, it's one of
those things that's there. It's out there, and you know,
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we'll see what happens now.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And when you talk about AI being.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Involved in everything, AI is simply in the products that
are being produced, right, And do they push the fact
that we're using AI or do they push the fact
that look what this can do and just don't even
mention it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's AI?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Oh no, AI is I mean, look for people in
the tech world and I think people are kind of
getting tired of the term AI because it's just like, okay,
give me a break. But when these products can actually
help you accomplish a task that you have done in
the past or we're not able to do in the
past easily, that's when people are interested. So for instance,
I'll just leave you with this one. One of the
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other trends we're seeing is that is this idea of
unlimited memory. So we've seen earbuds, we've seen pendants, we've
seen rings. They all have AI built into them where
they are recording basically your entire day, so four to
five hours at a time, where it's just every person
you meet, every conversation you have, and then AI goes
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and it just puts it all into this memory bank
that you can then ask questions of later. So for
people that are you know, salespeople, business people, this could
be very very helpful, or even for the average person.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And so that's an.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Example of a product we were like, Okay, come on,
give me a break, do we really need that, But
for some people that could be very handy, and it
can even make them more money, make them better in
their job, or just better in their personal life, listening
to their wife's hell them something and you remember it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Actually, so where's this memory held? I mean that you
can't go back what happened a year ago? Is it
up on the cloud or the device itself has enough memory?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Usually the device will will offload it to the cloud,
and yeah, you could go back a year. I mean
the idea is that you know, and we've seen I'm
actually meeting with one of the companies. I think I
can tell you this one of the companies that Amazon
bought that's making this technology. And so I mean it's like,
you know, this is big money. You know, this is
definitely seen as one of the next big frontiers where
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you will wear a ring, you'll wear a necklace, you'll
wear a risk band that will literally record every single
moment of your day. Because data is getting cheaper, cloud
is getting cheaper, Connections are everywhere, and it's become so
cheap to just memorize every single thing that happens to
you and then have AI sort through it later on.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
All right, Rich, thanks as always.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You're here Saturday eleven to two and on KTLA every
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
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Speaker 3 (15:37):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
You have a good one Rich catch over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Thanks Bill.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
All right, And of course, the story we're following, the
international story, is the abduction, the capture of Nicholas Maduro
from his home is very well guarded secure home on
a military base in Caracas, and he's in the United
State with his wife, and they were arraigned, first indicted
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for narco terrorism charges and then they were arraigned and
pled guilty with us. Michael Zwieback. Michael is exactly a
friend of mine. I'm known for a bunch of years,
and he is a federal criminal justice defense attorney also
having worked on the prosecutorial side, so he has seen
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both sides of this.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And Michael, I know you're on your way to court,
which you do regularly.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Thanks for joining us, taking the time, so if you would,
can you go through the timeline what each of these steps.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Were and what Maduro and his wife are looking at
as of today.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Well, thank you, Bill. As of today, they've been arraigned
at this point, and they had to be arraigned within
a certain timeod constitutionally once they hit the United States soil.
And now that they've been arraigned and entered not guilty. Please.
At this point, the case will proceed into the discovery phase,
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and I expect that during the discovery phase and during
the early pre trial motions, which I expect to be numerous,
they're going to be dealing with a lot of these
issues related to the extra territorial actions of the United
States and how it impacts the criminal case.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Okay, so I'm assuming that other than the extra territorial issues,
this is your normal run of the mill narcotics case
that I know you've done dozens of these. But the
issue of going in and abducting him, he claims he
is a head of state. We're not recognizing that, which
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I find interesting because we certainly recognize other heads of
state who have they've manufactured results, election results or straight
out dictatorships, and for some reason those guys are heads
of state, but Maduro is not. By the way, is
that going to be brought up saying hey, you have
to recognize me because you recognize.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Them, Well, it's absolutely going to be brought up one
of the central early pre trial motions, and that is
exactly what he's going to argue.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
It's also what Manuel Noriega argued in the case that
he dealt with related to the Panama seizure of the
general and then the prosecution that took place in Miami,
and he argued that he was a head of state
although he wasn't recognized as one, and the courts in
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the No Diega case pretty much relied upon the Department
of State to make the determination as to who is
a legitimate head of state and whether or not they
can claim.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That immunity, and so based on that, since the Trump
administration from the moment the last selection was held in
which Maduro lost overwhelmingly and then dispersed all eliminated all
of the numbers themselves, that's going to be easy to
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establish that the United States does not recognize him as
a head of state and therefore he can't claim immunity
and he can't claim and make any claims as to
his position as head of state?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That is correct?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And I think you know, the other issue that's going
to be raised is, especially as it relates to the
narco terrorism charges, is whether or not bark and the cartels,
which have been designated as terrorist organizations, whether or not
those designations were proper. That charge carries a life term,
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and I expect that there will be a fair bit
of since it's been rarely used, that there will be
litigation surrounding that issue as well as to whether or
not it's appropriate. And one of the things that I
can just add is this is a very independent minded
judge who they are in front of, and so I
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expect that these issues will all be very thoroughly litigated.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Now, this is the judge who is going to be
presiding over the entire case. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Correct? That's the way once he's designated in federal court,
is he will for all proceedings.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Okay, before we take a break, and we're going to
come back and do another segment. And I know the
judges are handed out or the judges are assigned on
a rotating basis, and you can either hit the lottery
or really end up in trouble, much like Glorian hit
the lottery when he got his judge. What do you
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give the grade on this one in terms of being assigned.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
To the judge?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Well, what we know about him and my experience in
front of him when I have cases in New York,
is that he is very independent minded. I don't think
that he's necessarily going to take the government's position as
being the defendantive proof. He's going to look at the
underlying process and procedure that was followed to get to
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the result that ultimately resulted in these types of charges.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Michael's wayback, who is a criminal defense attorney, a federal
criminal defense attorney who's also been a prosecutor, so he
sees both sides of this talking about what's going on
with the Maduro issue, and Michael, as we go through
this trial, we all of America is going to be
riveted to this. Of course, two things going to be
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brought up. First of all, the national security evidence. Let's
talk about that for a moment.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
National security evidence is going to be a central part
of this case. It's clear that the intelligence communities have
been providing information as part of they're not only intelligence investigation,
but also the criminal elements of the case. And so
it's going to require that the defense attorneys receive top
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secret security clearances to review the underlying information that was
the basis of the presentation to the grand jury, and
ultimately it's going to be utilized in some manner at trial.
I do expect that the rest of the evidence in
the case will be sort of a run of the
mill drug conspiracy type case, relying upon cooperators and other evidence,
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but the national security information is going to be part
and parcel of that.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, So how do you do that?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Because, I mean a judge has the ability, of course
to hear national security issues and decide on his or
her own whether it's applicable, whether it can be used
or not, taken into account what the government is saying
or not. But what do you do when national security
interests are at the center or part of the case
and you're in front of a jury and it's an
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open we have an open trial system where the members
it's open court. I mean, you know, welcome to America.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Well, there is something called SIPA, which is the Classifying
Information Procedures Act, which allows for the reviewing of the
underlying intelligence information both by the court and the defense.
It will of course be heavily redacted, and there will
be a lot of pretrial litigation over what elements of
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the information that was the basis for the underlying charges
can be utilized. Some of that information I would assume
the defense may want to use because it's going to
be what's called brading material or exculpatory material, because maybe
the credibility of the sources were always in question, and
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in the intelligence community may have relied upon sources that
were unreliable in obtaining other evidence, and so that sort
of litigation is what can really bog down a case
of this nature that is so heavily dependent on both
national security as well as you know, very tried and
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true criminal process.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, I'm assuming that both Maduro and his wife has
gotten top notch defense attorneys. I don't think money is
a big issue here. Do you happen to know the
attorneys or the names of the attorneys just by chance?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, the one lawyer who apparently has been appointed for
Maduro is the same lawyer that represented Julian Massage, and
so he is going to be very familiar with informations,
the national security procedures and litigation surrounding those types of issues,
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which is an expertise onto itself. If you've never done
a trial, and I have done several as a prosecutor,
where you have that type of information and evidence, it
can bog down a prosecution because there are certain pieces
of information that the government isn't going to necessarily want
to come to light, and that's when you get into
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issues called gray mail, which is where you're essentially trying
to bog down the prosecution in its own intelligence information.
And it's never pleasant for the prosecutor because they're dealing
with the intelligence community agencies which are you know, they
have methods and sources that don't have to pass the
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same kind of scrutiny that you would in a criminal investigation.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm assuming that, of course every bit of legal maneuvering
in which Maduro and his defense attorneys bring up and
lose those are going to be appealed.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Is that a fair assumption.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That's a fair assumption. It took twenty months to get
Noriega to trial, and while this judge has a very
quick docket, I still expect that it will take something
around twenty four to thirty months to get this case
to trial, and then of course the appeals will go
on for years.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Is this one of those cases that is so high
profile that the entire prosecution team it would be assigned
just to this case, because I know prosecutors have you
have a panel of cases when you were a prosecutor
just wasn't just one. Is this one of those things
where someone's going to make a career on this for
the next several years.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
They're going to make a career on it, and you're
going to have an army of Department of Justice lawyers
and paralegals, and then of course resources from federal law enforcement.
They're going to be assigned exclusively to this case, and
they're going to be running down information and evidence all
the way up to the day of trial. It doesn't
(27:17):
stop just because the case was indicted.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And I know this may be premature on this one,
and so I'm not holding you to the fire on
this one, but knowing what you know now, and maybe
I can I even ask the question, is it way
too premature?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
How does it look now for Maduro?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, it obviously looks extremely bad. And I say that
based upon my reading of the indictment. It's very clear
to me and people who are experienced in this area
that there are a number of cooperating witnesses, probably very
(27:59):
high level cartel members who have been prosecuted as recently
I think there was one six months ago, who have
given evidence against him and will lay out what will
probably be a very compelling case that, as you said,
I'm sure people will be riveted to because it's not
(28:21):
just about the Venezuelan government. The other political parts of
the case are probably things that you're going to hear about,
which is the interaction between the cartels and the various
different governments in the region.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
By Michael, I'm just giving you a heads up. Be prepared.
You and I are going to be talking a whole
lot during this case.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Sounds good always, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Thanks so much for your information. All right, Mikes, way back. Okay,
who is and he is really well regarded having been
on both sides of the criminal justice system. All right, guys,
we're done. Gary and Shannon are up next, and we're
back again tomorrow. We're once again we start with the
frivolities and hopefully I get to ruin your life.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
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