September 22, 2025 • 17 mins
(Sept 22,2025)
Neil Saavedra hosts the Bill Handel Show while Bill is out on vacation. Preventing murder starts with understanding killers… These women, former FBI profilers are unraveling the minds. Harry Potter star Jessie Cave on backlash over having OnlyFans. People are complaining that Apple’s new iPhone 17 scratches easily, creating Scratchgate. Vigil held for missing girl, 15, found dismembered in car registered to R&B singer D4vd.
Neil Saavedra hosts the Bill Handel Show while Bill is out on vacation. Preventing murder starts with understanding killers… These women, former FBI profilers are unraveling the minds. Harry Potter star Jessie Cave on backlash over having OnlyFans. People are complaining that Apple’s new iPhone 17 scratches easily, creating Scratchgate. Vigil held for missing girl, 15, found dismembered in car registered to R&B singer D4vd.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody, it's the Bill Handle Show, Neil
Savader in the Morning crew here for you. Bill is
on vacation, I just gotta You can join me on
(00:22):
on Instagram, by the way, at fork Reporter, at fork Reporter.
If you like building things and art and design and
making and stuff like that, you can follow me on
my other one, which is sav caav COO Industries sav
COO Industries. But someone hit me up and I'm not
sure I understand this calling you out this morning. You
(00:47):
and Bill both know that when Trump and team are
calling out the Epstein files as a hoax, it is
not that Epstein committed those crimes. He clearly did, Okay,
I agree with that, but rather the Democrat insinuation hoax
that Trump had anything to do with those crimes. You
(01:07):
both know it, as do most rational adults, Yet you
continue to spread the lie. Don't be a hack like Bill.
I'm not what he's not sure what he's saying. I
want I want the files out. I want to know,
I want to know if Trump had anything to do
with that side of things. Do I know? I don't
(01:30):
know any more than anybody else does. All I've seen
is the same faked pictures that everybody else has. And
I don't mean the ones with him with Epstein. I
mean the ones where he's like sitting there in a
tie next to Epstein and there's like some young girl
or something, and the stuffs that's been proven a hoax.
I can't believe just because I think Trump might be
(01:52):
a pig. Yeah, but rob lol, oh, actual video of
him with a sixteen year old. Don't hear much about
that anymore? Actual video, I think. And you know what
they did when they roasted him. They joked about it.
They joked about it. That's okay, though, that's Hollywood. Hollywood's
(02:16):
allowed to joke about that. Well, she probably wasn't trafficked, right, No, okay,
do I think that's probably? That's also But a pedophile
is a pedophile, right, yeah? Okay, No, I get that.
I'm just saying, AnyWho, let's go to crime, shall we.
I think we're already there. We're fascinating about crime and profilers.
(02:41):
I've always thought it was, you know, anything that looks
at the psychology of people I'm fascinated by. Now, is
it all true? No, there's percentages because otherwise you get
psychologists agreeing on everything and you don't. And that's because
there's interpretation and reason that goes into this. But you
(03:01):
have doctor Ann Burgess. She's a psychiatric nurse and she
specializes in trauma, so she looks at certain trauma that
people have gone through and how it shows up in
their behavior. She's the first woman to work with the
FBI Behavioral Science Unit, and this was back in the
nineteen seventies. She was known also for inviewing offenders like
(03:24):
Eric Menendez and asking him to draw and to talk
through memories. She's looking for psychological motives and from what
she says, it's not about excusing the crime, so it's
about learning how to prevent future violence. So she starts
(03:48):
looking at you know, if the brothers the menendai twins
or they're not twins, but those brothers, if they had
alleged abuse, then that could shape their fears action and
cause some major psychological damage. I mean, think about your
parents are who you trust, the first people you know
(04:09):
that you connect with, and they're the ones that are
helped guiding you through this world, and if that your
platform is skewed at the beginning, it's going to be
skewed like a tree. You know, those trees that you
see that are growing crooked. Nobody gave them a structure
at the beginning, no one put in a supportive poll,
and they continue to get worse and worse and more
(04:30):
crooked as they grow. I don't think that excuses anything.
I think it causes an infinite regression of you know,
you just keep pushing it back to the last person. Well,
what if the person who their father, you know, was
treated poorly, then he didn't know what he was doing,
(04:51):
So now you can't blame him. You got to go
back again, and the infinite regression of culpability continues to
go back and back. I'm talking about profilers. Murder is
one of those things that makes it easier, I think
for us to feel like somebody is so different from us,
they're monsters, and it's just an easier thing to just
put them in a category that is so inconsistent with
(05:14):
who we are as people. We could never be there, right.
We just kind of say, like, okay, now they are
a murderer. What would cause somebody to do what they did,
and profiling. Going way way back, we were talking about
doctor Ann Burgess and how she was one of the
(05:36):
first in the seventies, one of the first women to
work with FBI's Behavioral Science unit and really looking into
not only why this person did something it did, committed murder,
but also how that might play out in other murders,
how to maybe find other murderers or look at things
(05:59):
that might be precursors to somebody doing that. With the
Brian Koberger case, he's the one, of course, convicted of
murdering the University of Idaho students. He'd never revealed it
up to this point his motive. So now you have victims,
you have their families without answers. So profilers are studying
(06:26):
this behavior, and their response fascinated me. Now, remember he studied,
he or was in the act of studying criminal science
of some kind if I remember correctly. So profilers are
saying that his silence, it might and his lack of
(06:47):
cooperation and all that might be stem from humiliation because
he failed to outsmart authorities. So maybe as he studied
crime and how crimes are committed and how they're caught,
(07:07):
that he was processing in his head somewhere that he
could get away with it, He could figure out a
way to get away with it, and could fulfill his
desire of murdering somebody and taking life, but also get
away with it based on his smarts and knowledge of
(07:28):
covering it up. And I thought that was fascinating, like
true humiliation, like he genuinely thought that he was going
to get away with it. And there's lessons from the
Golden State Killer as well. One profile worked on the
Golden State Killer case, linking these decades of crimes through
(07:52):
behavioral patterns such as stealing single earrings, staging noise alarms,
and terrorize and couples, if you remember, in that particular case,
I think originally it was just attacking women, and then
people in the public said that this guy's a whimp
because he only attacks women. And then he started attacking couples,
(08:15):
even going so far as to making them lay down
and then putting plates and stuff on their back so
that if they stood up or moved, they would make
clanking noises and he would know. But profiling suggested law
enforcement training, which proved accurate. When Joseph DiAngelo, the former
(08:36):
police officer, was arrested in twenty eighteen that played out.
It didn't solve the case, but it helped investigators connect
crimes and look and focus efforts, you know, forensic genealogy
that ultimately helped lead to his capture. But looking at
(08:58):
these behavioral patterns and trying to spot what they call
pre attack behaviors fascinates me to no end. I mean,
is this is the minority report. No, But if there
are patterns or things that you can see, that could
be incredibly helpful for us to look into the mind
(09:21):
of a killer, which I don't want to do it
any length of time, but training schools, police people in
the community to recognize these signs can end up being
that intervention you need to prevent something that's a harder
thing to do to prevent it. To understand it after
(09:43):
the fact is one thing. So the big takeaways here
about profiling is about understanding and not excusing. You're not
excusing the behavior because now you understand it. That's not
the key here. But comparing offenders Menenda's brother, Coburger, DiAngelo,
(10:04):
these all come with insights that profilers want to take
with them. This palette of understanding, if you will, that
can inform them of, you know, prevention strategies. So motives
could be Murky killers apparently rarely confess everything, so even
(10:26):
if they confess some things out, they might be stuff
that is left back. And human behavior as on its
own is contradictory. But understanding, you know, complexities and finding
certain patterns is important for the future of seeing and
(10:46):
understanding when somebody might be might be off, where thoughts
become actions and then somebody's life is taken. Yeah, there's
(11:08):
actually a theme song Harry Potter. You know KF I
Am six forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You
really haven't seen that's from Potter. Yeah, but there's like
a theme song like everybody would know the minute they
heard it. What is that? That's it? The other one
you played with was that from like the.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Play No, I don't know one of the movies.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Five Am six forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
We found out something new about Kno he's never seen
a Harry Potter movie. Yeah, so yeah, here we go
on this one. I already said who I am? Right?
Did I the Neil Svader The Morning Show KFI all
(11:56):
that Ammy Kings with us got the whole team, uh cave.
She played Lavender Brown. Now I know when I see
her picture, I know who the character is. I've watched
the movies with my wife and again with my boy.
What are you looking at me? Because I watched the movies.
I'm going to tell you something, Cono, I have never
(12:20):
met a beautiful woman that did not read the Harry
Potter books. Before the movies came out. Every beautiful woman
I ever knew had them and had read them. I
have not read them. I'm not a beautiful woman either.
But my wife had read them, and so we would
(12:42):
go see the movies. I was not that crazy about
the movies, even though I like special effects and you know,
fantasye all that stuff. I just wasn't crazy about them
that much. They didn't really speak to me. But when
I watched them with my son different I enjoyed them differently.
I don't know why I enjoyed them. They don't laugh
(13:03):
at me anyways. Jesse Kay. She played Lavender Brown in
the Harry Potter movies she originally was in. Her first
appearance was in two thousand and nine's Harry Potter and
the Half Blood Prince, and then again in both Deadly Hollows,
both the Deadly Hollows films. But she said she was
(13:25):
barred from a recent Harry Potter fan convention and the
reason why is because she has an OnlyFans account. Now
she's thirty eight years old. Now, I mean, it's not
like they're the kids running around. You know what the
(13:46):
gryffindor is that that team Harry Harry Yo Wizard Harry
with a weird mock on your forehead? All right, So
she does have an OnlyFans account, but she says it's
just about her hair, no nudity, no sexually explicit content.
(14:13):
But she says that she's not welcome at these Harry
Potter conventions. Say, you know, they go around and they
meet people and the people pay for their signatures and stuff,
and it's one of the ways you make money and
money in the industry. And she said she's felt this
sense of shame over creating an onlyfan account. She said,
(14:38):
after eighteen years of work in the arts industry, she's
got nothing to show for it. I don't know how
that happens, but who knows. And she said she's not
really upset about it, but she is annoyed that there
are actors who have actually done nudity and the like
in movies. And she's bas she says, she twirls her hair. Man,
(15:02):
there's a lot of weirdos out there. I've never seen.
Only fans. What's it like? Cono, It's pretty good, but
I don't what's the interface? Is it like a board
of of like, hey, what are you into? And then
you click on it like do you look up feet
or hair or yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well, people forget the only fan like the Mattress Actresses
took over OnlyFans, like during COVID. It was a site
before that where people did like arts and crafts and
hobbies and no comedians went on there to yeah, and
then the Mattress Actresses came up, and uh, now everyone
thinks that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I like, how you say that? Well, yeah, I always
thought that it was strippers and the like that were
like now we can't well we but I always thought
like that it came because, uh, because of COVID and
you couldn't go to a strip joint, right, so they
said we're gonna make money on our own.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, and then they kind of just hijacked that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right, So it was originally like you go to the artists.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, for actual like her like probably yeah, probably tutorials
things like that.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Wow. And so did you originally go for the arts
and crafts? Yeah yeah, and then they just all of
a sudden sidelined. They just my algorithm. It was the algorithm,
I know. Screw that. Screw that algorithm. Yeah, really messed
me up. And I'm sorry, buddy. Thanks, you're still on it. Yeah,
(16:33):
but so I guess she just uh, I guess she
plays with her hair. I don't know, it's a hair account.
Not only fans. Have you gone to the the one
for heavy set latinas only flawns? No, no, I can't
(16:58):
that carameli flavor and you have clearly Oh yeah, love
me some Flyn Custard coming together. Yeah, all that KFI
heard everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You've been listening to
the Bill Handle Show. Catch my Show Monday through Friday,
six am to nine am, and anytime on demand on
(17:21):
the iHeartRadio app.
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody, it's the Bill Handle Show, Neil
Savader in the Morning crew here for you. Bill is
on vacation, I just gotta You can join me on
(00:22):
on Instagram, by the way, at fork Reporter, at fork Reporter.
If you like building things and art and design and
making and stuff like that, you can follow me on
my other one, which is sav caav COO Industries sav
COO Industries. But someone hit me up and I'm not
sure I understand this calling you out this morning. You
(00:47):
and Bill both know that when Trump and team are
calling out the Epstein files as a hoax, it is
not that Epstein committed those crimes. He clearly did, Okay,
I agree with that, but rather the Democrat insinuation hoax
that Trump had anything to do with those crimes. You
(01:07):
both know it, as do most rational adults, Yet you
continue to spread the lie. Don't be a hack like Bill.
I'm not what he's not sure what he's saying. I
want I want the files out. I want to know,
I want to know if Trump had anything to do
with that side of things. Do I know? I don't
(01:30):
know any more than anybody else does. All I've seen
is the same faked pictures that everybody else has. And
I don't mean the ones with him with Epstein. I
mean the ones where he's like sitting there in a
tie next to Epstein and there's like some young girl
or something, and the stuffs that's been proven a hoax.
I can't believe just because I think Trump might be
(01:52):
a pig. Yeah, but rob lol, oh, actual video of
him with a sixteen year old. Don't hear much about
that anymore? Actual video, I think. And you know what
they did when they roasted him. They joked about it.
They joked about it. That's okay, though, that's Hollywood. Hollywood's
(02:16):
allowed to joke about that. Well, she probably wasn't trafficked, right, No, okay,
do I think that's probably? That's also But a pedophile
is a pedophile, right, yeah? Okay, No, I get that.
I'm just saying, AnyWho, let's go to crime, shall we.
I think we're already there. We're fascinating about crime and profilers.
(02:41):
I've always thought it was, you know, anything that looks
at the psychology of people I'm fascinated by. Now, is
it all true? No, there's percentages because otherwise you get
psychologists agreeing on everything and you don't. And that's because
there's interpretation and reason that goes into this. But you
(03:01):
have doctor Ann Burgess. She's a psychiatric nurse and she
specializes in trauma, so she looks at certain trauma that
people have gone through and how it shows up in
their behavior. She's the first woman to work with the
FBI Behavioral Science Unit, and this was back in the
nineteen seventies. She was known also for inviewing offenders like
(03:24):
Eric Menendez and asking him to draw and to talk
through memories. She's looking for psychological motives and from what
she says, it's not about excusing the crime, so it's
about learning how to prevent future violence. So she starts
(03:48):
looking at you know, if the brothers the menendai twins
or they're not twins, but those brothers, if they had
alleged abuse, then that could shape their fears action and
cause some major psychological damage. I mean, think about your
parents are who you trust, the first people you know
(04:09):
that you connect with, and they're the ones that are
helped guiding you through this world, and if that your
platform is skewed at the beginning, it's going to be
skewed like a tree. You know, those trees that you
see that are growing crooked. Nobody gave them a structure
at the beginning, no one put in a supportive poll,
and they continue to get worse and worse and more
(04:30):
crooked as they grow. I don't think that excuses anything.
I think it causes an infinite regression of you know,
you just keep pushing it back to the last person. Well,
what if the person who their father, you know, was
treated poorly, then he didn't know what he was doing,
(04:51):
So now you can't blame him. You got to go
back again, and the infinite regression of culpability continues to
go back and back. I'm talking about profilers. Murder is
one of those things that makes it easier, I think
for us to feel like somebody is so different from us,
they're monsters, and it's just an easier thing to just
put them in a category that is so inconsistent with
(05:14):
who we are as people. We could never be there, right.
We just kind of say, like, okay, now they are
a murderer. What would cause somebody to do what they did,
and profiling. Going way way back, we were talking about
doctor Ann Burgess and how she was one of the
(05:36):
first in the seventies, one of the first women to
work with FBI's Behavioral Science unit and really looking into
not only why this person did something it did, committed murder,
but also how that might play out in other murders,
how to maybe find other murderers or look at things
(05:59):
that might be precursors to somebody doing that. With the
Brian Koberger case, he's the one, of course, convicted of
murdering the University of Idaho students. He'd never revealed it
up to this point his motive. So now you have victims,
you have their families without answers. So profilers are studying
(06:26):
this behavior, and their response fascinated me. Now, remember he studied,
he or was in the act of studying criminal science
of some kind if I remember correctly. So profilers are
saying that his silence, it might and his lack of
(06:47):
cooperation and all that might be stem from humiliation because
he failed to outsmart authorities. So maybe as he studied
crime and how crimes are committed and how they're caught,
(07:07):
that he was processing in his head somewhere that he
could get away with it, He could figure out a
way to get away with it, and could fulfill his
desire of murdering somebody and taking life, but also get
away with it based on his smarts and knowledge of
(07:28):
covering it up. And I thought that was fascinating, like
true humiliation, like he genuinely thought that he was going
to get away with it. And there's lessons from the
Golden State Killer as well. One profile worked on the
Golden State Killer case, linking these decades of crimes through
(07:52):
behavioral patterns such as stealing single earrings, staging noise alarms,
and terrorize and couples, if you remember, in that particular case,
I think originally it was just attacking women, and then
people in the public said that this guy's a whimp
because he only attacks women. And then he started attacking couples,
(08:15):
even going so far as to making them lay down
and then putting plates and stuff on their back so
that if they stood up or moved, they would make
clanking noises and he would know. But profiling suggested law
enforcement training, which proved accurate. When Joseph DiAngelo, the former
(08:36):
police officer, was arrested in twenty eighteen that played out.
It didn't solve the case, but it helped investigators connect
crimes and look and focus efforts, you know, forensic genealogy
that ultimately helped lead to his capture. But looking at
(08:58):
these behavioral patterns and trying to spot what they call
pre attack behaviors fascinates me to no end. I mean,
is this is the minority report. No, But if there
are patterns or things that you can see, that could
be incredibly helpful for us to look into the mind
(09:21):
of a killer, which I don't want to do it
any length of time, but training schools, police people in
the community to recognize these signs can end up being
that intervention you need to prevent something that's a harder
thing to do to prevent it. To understand it after
(09:43):
the fact is one thing. So the big takeaways here
about profiling is about understanding and not excusing. You're not
excusing the behavior because now you understand it. That's not
the key here. But comparing offenders Menenda's brother, Coburger, DiAngelo,
(10:04):
these all come with insights that profilers want to take
with them. This palette of understanding, if you will, that
can inform them of, you know, prevention strategies. So motives
could be Murky killers apparently rarely confess everything, so even
(10:26):
if they confess some things out, they might be stuff
that is left back. And human behavior as on its
own is contradictory. But understanding, you know, complexities and finding
certain patterns is important for the future of seeing and
(10:46):
understanding when somebody might be might be off, where thoughts
become actions and then somebody's life is taken. Yeah, there's
(11:08):
actually a theme song Harry Potter. You know KF I
Am six forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You
really haven't seen that's from Potter. Yeah, but there's like
a theme song like everybody would know the minute they
heard it. What is that? That's it? The other one
you played with was that from like the.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Play No, I don't know one of the movies.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Five Am six forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
We found out something new about Kno he's never seen
a Harry Potter movie. Yeah, so yeah, here we go
on this one. I already said who I am? Right?
Did I the Neil Svader The Morning Show KFI all
(11:56):
that Ammy Kings with us got the whole team, uh cave.
She played Lavender Brown. Now I know when I see
her picture, I know who the character is. I've watched
the movies with my wife and again with my boy.
What are you looking at me? Because I watched the movies.
I'm going to tell you something, Cono, I have never
(12:20):
met a beautiful woman that did not read the Harry
Potter books. Before the movies came out. Every beautiful woman
I ever knew had them and had read them. I
have not read them. I'm not a beautiful woman either.
But my wife had read them, and so we would
(12:42):
go see the movies. I was not that crazy about
the movies, even though I like special effects and you know,
fantasye all that stuff. I just wasn't crazy about them
that much. They didn't really speak to me. But when
I watched them with my son different I enjoyed them differently.
I don't know why I enjoyed them. They don't laugh
(13:03):
at me anyways. Jesse Kay. She played Lavender Brown in
the Harry Potter movies she originally was in. Her first
appearance was in two thousand and nine's Harry Potter and
the Half Blood Prince, and then again in both Deadly Hollows,
both the Deadly Hollows films. But she said she was
(13:25):
barred from a recent Harry Potter fan convention and the
reason why is because she has an OnlyFans account. Now
she's thirty eight years old. Now, I mean, it's not
like they're the kids running around. You know what the
(13:46):
gryffindor is that that team Harry Harry Yo Wizard Harry
with a weird mock on your forehead? All right, So
she does have an OnlyFans account, but she says it's
just about her hair, no nudity, no sexually explicit content.
(14:13):
But she says that she's not welcome at these Harry
Potter conventions. Say, you know, they go around and they
meet people and the people pay for their signatures and stuff,
and it's one of the ways you make money and
money in the industry. And she said she's felt this
sense of shame over creating an onlyfan account. She said,
(14:38):
after eighteen years of work in the arts industry, she's
got nothing to show for it. I don't know how
that happens, but who knows. And she said she's not
really upset about it, but she is annoyed that there
are actors who have actually done nudity and the like
in movies. And she's bas she says, she twirls her hair. Man,
(15:02):
there's a lot of weirdos out there. I've never seen.
Only fans. What's it like? Cono, It's pretty good, but
I don't what's the interface? Is it like a board
of of like, hey, what are you into? And then
you click on it like do you look up feet
or hair or yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Well, people forget the only fan like the Mattress Actresses
took over OnlyFans, like during COVID. It was a site
before that where people did like arts and crafts and
hobbies and no comedians went on there to yeah, and
then the Mattress Actresses came up, and uh, now everyone
thinks that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I like, how you say that? Well, yeah, I always
thought that it was strippers and the like that were
like now we can't well we but I always thought
like that it came because, uh, because of COVID and
you couldn't go to a strip joint, right, so they
said we're gonna make money on our own.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, and then they kind of just hijacked that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right, So it was originally like you go to the artists.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, for actual like her like probably yeah, probably tutorials
things like that.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Wow. And so did you originally go for the arts
and crafts? Yeah yeah, and then they just all of
a sudden sidelined. They just my algorithm. It was the algorithm,
I know. Screw that. Screw that algorithm. Yeah, really messed
me up. And I'm sorry, buddy. Thanks, you're still on it. Yeah,
(16:33):
but so I guess she just uh, I guess she
plays with her hair. I don't know, it's a hair account.
Not only fans. Have you gone to the the one
for heavy set latinas only flawns? No, no, I can't
(16:58):
that carameli flavor and you have clearly Oh yeah, love
me some Flyn Custard coming together. Yeah, all that KFI
heard everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You've been listening to
the Bill Handle Show. Catch my Show Monday through Friday,
six am to nine am, and anytime on demand on
(17:21):
the iHeartRadio app.
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