August 14, 2025 • 27 mins
(August 14, 2025)
Can homegrown teens replace immigrant farm labor? The White House lowers expectations for the Trump-Putin summit. Inside Silicon Valley’s growing obsession with having smarter babies.
Can homegrown teens replace immigrant farm labor? The White House lowers expectations for the Trump-Putin summit. Inside Silicon Valley’s growing obsession with having smarter babies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, he am six forty Handle here it is a
Thursday morning. Hey tomorrow, it's ask Handle anything at eight
thirty and can't do it without you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And so here's the way it works.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
As you record a question for me and I answer,
and it's only to humiliate me. That's the entire point.
And here's what you do during the course of the show.
You can still do it today. During the course of
the show, you go onto the iHeartRadio app click on
the Bill Handle show in the right hand corner.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
There's a microphone. Click on that, and then you record your.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Question and I get a lot of fun ones because
you know, people want to know my personal stuff. I
want to know other people's personal stuff. I'm asking, you're asking.
You know what's Neil like?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah? He is? You know what's Tim like? And what
am I like?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Still a dick? And that's the way it's answered. Okay, Now,
so I record those in tomorrow. Neil chooses and I
hear them the same time you do. So it's pretty
spontaneous stuff. There is a movement out there and we've
been hearing it over and over again, because in the
world of agriculture, it has been hit very hard by
(01:17):
the deportations.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I mean really hard.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Not that the hospitality industry hasn't been hit, but agriculture
has been nailed with the deportations because so many of
farm workers are illegal migrants. So here is the mantra
is we will get Americans to do that work. They've
taken away American jobs, those migrants, and now when they're gone, Americans.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Will start doing those jobs. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, there's a story in the La Times about this guy,
Randy Carter, who's now seventy seven. In nineteen sixty five,
when he was seventeen, the US Department of Labor launched
something called the A Team, not the television show, Athletes
in temporary employment as agricultural manpower. The goal recruiting twenty
(02:08):
thousand high school athletes to harvest summer crops. And at
that time there was a dire farm worker shortage because
the Brasero program which had been in place. Braso program
was a program that allowed people, particularly from Mexico, to
come up for a short period of time work in
(02:29):
agriculture and then go home when the season was over.
So they were temporary visas if you will. That ran out,
so now, oh my god, we don't have anybody. So
they kick in the A team launched by the Department
of Labor. You had Sandy Kofax Ray for Johnson, Jim Brown,
these huge sports legends, urging teen teams to join the
(02:50):
A team. Why farm work bills men? So out of
the twenty thousand that they wanted, about three thousand the
actually showed up. One of them was Randy Carter, so
he and eighteen classmates from University of San Diego Hi
spent six weeks picking cantalopes in Blythe. That's a fun job,
(03:16):
by the way, for those of you that have not
either gone to Blythe and or picked cantalopes in Blythe,
you're in for a real treat if you try that.
It was so hot that the blowney sandwiches that they
were fed, the bread became toast by the time they
had lunch.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It was that hot.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And what they did, and that was in the shade,
by the way, it was so hot. So they slept
in these rickety shacks, I mean, these were the shacks
that the farm workers lived in. They just moved in
communal bathrooms showered in water that Carter said, Remember it
was a very nice shade of brown now as you
(03:59):
can image. And very few crews stayed around. They went,
they quit, or went on strike across the country. It
was abysmal work and the conditions was abysmal. It was miserable.
By the way, the A Team program was such a
disaster that the government number one never tried it again.
(04:20):
And it's not even in the history books. You won't
say much being mentioned about it if you go into
the archives of the US.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So now what's going on.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, legislators in some Red states are thinking about making
it easier for teenagers to work in agricultural jobs because
the antation patient of the deportation deluge which is going
to happen, which was promised and is coming to the forefront.
And so people are reaching out to Carter. He's become
a public figure, journalist, teachers, et cetera, to hear his
(04:53):
stories of fifty years ago when one of them, he
and his friends, made a wrong turn in blythe and
drove through the barrio and everyone looked at us like
we were specimens. But they were nice about it, and
what it was about, Carter said, They were dying to
see white kids tortured. They wanted to see these privileged
(05:15):
teens work their asses off and feel miserable about it,
wouldn't you. The University high crew was trained by a
Mexican foreman, and he looks back and says he hated
us because we were taking job from his family. The
crew worked six days a week for minimum wage was
(05:37):
a dollar forty in those days, and earned a nickel
for every crate filled with thirty to sixty candilops. By
the way, picking candilyops is no fun. There were a
lot of sticky things on the plants. Within two days,
we thought this is insane. By the third day we
wanted out, but we stayed, one of the very few
people that stayed because it was a badge of honor.
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So the concept of Americans will do the job because
the Hispanics, the illegal migrants are going to be gone
is a complete croc It's that simple. They tried it
once and man that it's backbreaking work. And frankly, it
takes people that have no marketable skills, no education. I mean,
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this is the bottom of the working barrel. It's people
who are underprivileged, who have no choice, who are super vulnerable.
And let me tell you, there are are there people
that are white and US citizens in that category, certainly
not as many as immigrants coming from South America. And so, okay,
(06:50):
we're going to find Americans that are going to be
out there picking strawberries and picking grapes, aren't we. There
is going to be and I think it's already place.
There's going to be a shortage. I mean, the picking season,
the harvesting season is going to be short of about
half the people. And for those of you that have
high school kids, why don't you tell them this is
(07:13):
a summer job you should have. It'll make a man
out of you. It'll even take the women and make
men out of them. Well, certain kinds of women who
I don't want to talk about that. That's a different
topic to talk about it at a different time. All Right,
what's going on tomorrow? Tomorrow is a big day. Tomorrow
(07:33):
is the Trump Putin Summit, or they say in Russia
the Putin Trump Summit. And this has evolved or devolved
from a deal was going to be made while I
actually started with President Trump, candidate Trump running for office
and saying day one I will end the war in Ukraine. Well,
(07:57):
it's been a few months past that, and it is
gone from I am going to end it to where
I will tell Putin to end it. I will talk
him into ending it. And now it's gone too Well,
I have a meeting where we're going to have a
(08:18):
listening exercise. I'm going to listen to what he says,
and then set up a meeting immediately afterwards with Zolensky
and with Putin and with Trump. Here's what's going to happen.
If I had to guess, all right, and we'll find
out if.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I'm right or not.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
We'll probably talk about talk about it on Monday. I
don't think Putin's gonna say a damn thing. Maybe you'll
sit down with with Zelensky, although I doubt it. He's
there's no upside, there's no downside for him to do
exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And here is what he does.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Do and and and finally Trump caught onto it is
they have great conversations where where Putin says, yes, I
want peace. Yes, it's important for us to have peace.
It's important for us to have a relationship with you,
particularly the United States. Remember, Russia is effectively a pariah
(09:14):
state right now, and the United States has some pretty
severe sanctions against Russia. And what Putin wants to do
is bring Russia back into the world community while the
war continues on while taking a good chunk of East
Ukraine annexing it. It becomes Russia. It's already annexed part
of it, and now it just Russia. Putin specifically simply
(09:39):
wants most of the eastern part of Ukraine being Russian.
And this is not a guy who just woke up
and wants land. One of the things that Putin has
said since day one.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean he said this for thirty years. Believes to his.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Very soul that Ukraine is part of Russia. That's it,
and he's going to Ball's wall to make it happen.
He invades That's the other thing. Trump blamed Ukraine for
starting the war. Figure that one out. So he invades
Ukraine and we're told that he may have lost already
(10:16):
a million men. Has really affected the Russian economy as
well as as it affected morale in Russia.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, this is no joke.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So he wants to keep on going for the annexation
of eastern Ukraine. And now the attack is going full
blast in anticipation of the meeting tomorrow. What he has
done for the last week is taken as much land
as he possibly can and start from there negotiating. And
(10:46):
our president said, yeah, there is going to be a
swap of land. Both sides are going to swap land.
We have to make this happen well, swapping land. How
much is Russia going to give up Aviitzi land? When
you think of a swap, what's going to happen is
Russia will give up some of the land it has
taken from Ukraine and saying here's the deal. Those areas
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that we have taken you can have back, but will
keep the majority of the land. That is what Putin
is coming into the meeting tomorrow for and the president.
Our president just wants to stop the war for a
couple of reasons. First of all, I think he genuinely
believes that the killing has to stop. He sees the
(11:35):
missiles flying in, he sees hospitals being destroyed, people dying
by the thousands. So I believe he is deeply or
I believe he is affected by that. And the other thing,
he wants to make peace because he wants that noble
peace Prize. He wants to be He wants to be
known as the peacemaker. How do we know that he
(11:56):
wants the Nobel Peace Prize. He's asking for it, he
says publicly, I should get the Peace Prize. I think
he may be nominating himself for the Peace Prize because
he can nominate anybody. He's one of those people that
can nominate as well as zillions of other people. So
(12:17):
the expectations now for the summit are no longer.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
The war's going to end. We're going to come to
a deal.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Trump had told Ukraine where we expect you to sign
basically sign off on any deal we come up with
without Ukraine being at the table. And Zelensky is saying,
you think there's gonna be be a deal without us
being there? When you're talking about our land? And Zelensky said,
(12:47):
I can't even have I don't even have the authority
under our constitution to give away land. I can't do
it if I wanted to. And President Trump said, well,
you better yet it. You better figure out a way
of getting it, because we have to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The other side of that is the United States has
cut back somewhat, still supporting Ukraine has been up and down,
and Ukraine really doesn't have how much of an idea
of how much the United States so Russia, I mean,
so Europe has stepped in and Europe has taken over
the support of Ukraine because you've got the entire European
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Union also not comfortable with what Putin is doing. They're
scared to death of Putin, scared of what he's gonna do.
I mean, the guy literally invaded a sovereign country and
is taking over its land. I mean, do you do
that in this day and age and not have consequences.
(13:54):
This is why I started with Russia having become a
pariah state, and Putin wants to come back, and he's
going he's going to negotiate to bring Russia back into
its ability to sell it's a ability to deal with
the European Union and the rest of the world in
terms of selling its oil. That's where Putin is coming from,
(14:15):
and to keep with the war going for him, the war,
keeping the war being kept on track is the best.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Thing in the world. So tomorrow, here's what you're going
to see.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You're going to see the President and Putin come out
and we're going to say we made some good inroads
on this. We don't have a deal, but we're on
our way to making a deal. And President Trump said
right after the meeting tomorrow he'll be putting together a
meeting between Putin Zelenski and him.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Will that happen? I don't think so. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I want to take you back to the mid eight
when I was teaching third party reproductive law. As you know,
that was my entire legal career, surrogate parenting, egg freezing,
sperm donation, the laws surrounding that entire field, which was
in its infancy, and we really didn't know much about
(15:19):
what was going on. And at that time I also
had a surrogacy program and just started an egg bank,
an egg freezing program. So what I would do when
I taught is I would talk about what the future
was going to bring. I would talk about science fiction,
and that is the ability to actually go into an
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embryo and determine what diseases are present, what predisposition. The
human genome has now been discerned. I mean, we now
know all of the human genome, and we didn't know
at the time we could do. That is you can
take doctors take and this is for in vitro fertilization,
(16:06):
because you have to have the embryo sitting there in
front of you in a petriot dish. You take one
cell out of an eight cell embryo, for example, or
out of a sixteen stage embryo, take one cell out
and do probably two hundred tests on it. By the way,
the cell regrows in the embryo, it's like a salamander,
(16:29):
like growing a tailback that comes back. You can't do
that with people that are, let's say, in their thirties.
And you can do genetic testing. And what genetic testing
was and is is to determine genes that will actually
cause diseases. You can see that tasas right there. You
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can tell Huntington's it's right there. The brocka gene, which
gives you a huge percentage of breast cancer for women,
it's right there. And you can actually and when it
comes to determining which sex your child is going to be,
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it's right there.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You can tell that's one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And so that works when you're talking about removing diseases
or not going forward with that embryo and going forward
with healthy embryo. And it's been done with tasacs that
is a horrific disease at East European Jewish disease or
sickle cell anemia, which is primarily African Americans or African
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people of African descent. And so here was my question,
and that is, we all feel pretty good about genetic
testing and changing and removing genes, manipulating them so we
remove diseases. How about using the same science and making
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your kid stronger, faster. Looking at testing blue eyed, blonde
hair if you happen to be a Nazi. And here's
the one that is really a big one, and that
is having smarter babies higher IQ. Can that be done? Now?
(18:28):
We're not talking about manipulating genes in this case. We're
talking about creating a system or predicting how smart your
kid is going to be. How is that? How do
you predict how smart your kid is going to be?
I mean, there's some traditional ways of doing it. You
(18:49):
get two smart parents and you get some probably you
get some smart kids, or you get geniuses, Nobel Prize
winners or the king. Eh, there's no great shakes there. Okay,
that's fine. They tore about tore out Albert Einstein's brain
and studied it and the kids are just your regular kids.
(19:14):
So there is an obsession and where is it? Oh,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And this is a predictor using technology pre implantation diagnostics
where you can actually look at at the embryo stage.
You can look at diseases, you can look at propensities,
and according to some people, you can look at the
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prediction of a high IQ. So how is that done
and who is doing it? This gets interesting stuff. We're
talking about scientific reproduction and genetic engineering and pre implantation diagnosis,
which means you can actually out of an embryo. This
(20:06):
is when you use IVF out of an embryo, take
a cell and do hundreds of tests on the cell. Now,
some are automatic, you tell the sex. You can certainly
look at genes that absolutely are connected to diseases like
Huntington's and then others are maybe predictors.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now, predictors are Some.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Of the stuff is easy with predictors, and that is
your parents. For example, Lebron James, one of the greatest
basketball players on the planet, his kid Damn good. How
many of these sports guys have their sons. Also, phenomenal
sports people. That's genetic You know that, we all know
that that's what happens. Now, can you predict I mean,
(20:54):
that's not a scientific prediction at all.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Is there a cultural prediction? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But what we're talking about what's going on in Silicone
Valley is a scientific predictive model. There's a guy in
the name of sphe Benson Tielsen, a mathematician, and he
is looking at AI and has decided that people who
are intelligent are going to stop AI from destroying the world. Well,
(21:24):
that's no longer there, okay. Now he's simply trying to
figure out breeding breed. This is literally breeding smarter babies
and parents are paying up the fifty thousand dollars for
new genetic testing services that include promises to screen embryos
for IQ. Now, is there a genetic test for IQ?
(21:47):
Is there a gene for IQ that tells us, for example,
the sex of a baby. We know that when you
do IVF and you're looking at an embryo, we know
there's a Huntington's gene with IQ.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
No, So here's what people are doing. This is called
genetic optimization. It's really about merit and success, and they
do all of this testing to come up with predictors,
and we really don't know. It's pretty loose out there,
(22:25):
and a lot of people are just looking at this
and figuring out what's going on. Sasha Gusev is a
statistical geneticist at Harvard Medical School, and it says, now
there is a tool where people think they can determine
IQ of their kids. Really Hank Greeley, who is the
(22:50):
director of the Center for Law and Biosciences at Stanford says,
this is great science fiction. That's what this is about.
It's a movie, a science fiction movie. Rich people create
a genetically superior cast that takes over and the rest
of us are proles, not bad.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Is it possible?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You know most of the authorities are saying no, but
you know, in Silicon Valleys you're ready for this. Top
preschools require IQ testing of kids that are coming in.
How do you do an IQ test on a five
year old? And how about the moral aspects of this? Well,
(23:33):
parents aren't burdened by that and trying to use technology.
So there are a couple of startup companies that have
become that have begun offering IQ predictors based on genetic tests,
and people select which embryo to use for IVF.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
It is expensive, but it is growing.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
There is a couple, Simon and Malcolm Colin Colin who
are leaders in this quote. Pro natalist movement encourages lots
of babies and they've worked in tech and venture capital
and they four kids through IVF and they use this
process to analyze their embryos. And they chose the embryo
she is now pregnant with because it had a low
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reported risk for cancer. What does that have to do
with IQ? IQ? Well, if you put all of genetic information,
and what they did is had a spreadsheet and looked
at the testing that can be done, and there are
hundreds of tests out of that, predicting IQ can be
(24:42):
done theoretically. Now most scientists are saying this is a
complete croc How good is anyone at predicting IQ with
genetic testing? The answer isn't very good. Porto, professor at
the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who pioneered these models. Actually
now researchers have found there is some correlation between cognitive
(25:04):
ability and the cumulative effect of thousands of variants thousands
in the human genome, and he says current models explain
about five to ten percent of the differences in cognitive ability.
We're not sark on IQ between people, and if parents
rank their embryos by predicted IQ, they may gain between
(25:27):
three and four points on average differentiating among random just
having kids randomly. It's not going to make your kid
a prodigy, absolutely not. And so you know you make
smarter kids. This may just be a crop, but these
companies are making a fortune. There are a couple of
things that do work. How to determine We could have
(25:50):
determined at the IVF process, male or female. And what
we did this is Marjorie and I. What we did
is she wanted girls. We got girls, and we did
sperm spinning. Put sperm in a centrifuge. Put my sperm
in the centrifuge. And let me tell you, they get
really dangerous. Putting a sperm specimen in a spinning centrifuge.
(26:12):
You got to be very careful. And the male sperm
went to the outside because it is heavier, and that
was and the inside sperm that was closer to the
middle of the centrifuge. Chances are that those are female.
And that's exactly what was used, is the spinning device.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Now I Originally I thought that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Spinning the sperm was me just spinning around as fast
as I could and then producing the sperm specimen. And
it turned out, well, you got cent centrifugal force where
you know, you're spinning and it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Hits the out. Now, it's not that at all.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It is putting your sperm specimen into a centrifuge. The
Iranians are doing it at the same time that they're
doing uranium. It's uh, they save money one centrifuge for both.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Okay, we're done. I had to go there. You know,
I have to end these stories, no matter.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
How serious they are, I have to end them with
the way I end them. Okay, KF I am six.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, he am six forty Handle here it is a
Thursday morning. Hey tomorrow, it's ask Handle anything at eight
thirty and can't do it without you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And so here's the way it works.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
As you record a question for me and I answer,
and it's only to humiliate me. That's the entire point.
And here's what you do during the course of the show.
You can still do it today. During the course of
the show, you go onto the iHeartRadio app click on
the Bill Handle show in the right hand corner.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
There's a microphone. Click on that, and then you record your.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Question and I get a lot of fun ones because
you know, people want to know my personal stuff. I
want to know other people's personal stuff. I'm asking, you're asking.
You know what's Neil like?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah? He is? You know what's Tim like? And what
am I like?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Still a dick? And that's the way it's answered. Okay, Now,
so I record those in tomorrow. Neil chooses and I
hear them the same time you do. So it's pretty
spontaneous stuff. There is a movement out there and we've
been hearing it over and over again, because in the
world of agriculture, it has been hit very hard by
(01:17):
the deportations.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I mean really hard.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Not that the hospitality industry hasn't been hit, but agriculture
has been nailed with the deportations because so many of
farm workers are illegal migrants. So here is the mantra
is we will get Americans to do that work. They've
taken away American jobs, those migrants, and now when they're gone, Americans.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Will start doing those jobs. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, there's a story in the La Times about this guy,
Randy Carter, who's now seventy seven. In nineteen sixty five,
when he was seventeen, the US Department of Labor launched
something called the A Team, not the television show, Athletes
in temporary employment as agricultural manpower. The goal recruiting twenty
(02:08):
thousand high school athletes to harvest summer crops. And at
that time there was a dire farm worker shortage because
the Brasero program which had been in place. Braso program
was a program that allowed people, particularly from Mexico, to
come up for a short period of time work in
(02:29):
agriculture and then go home when the season was over.
So they were temporary visas if you will. That ran out,
so now, oh my god, we don't have anybody. So
they kick in the A team launched by the Department
of Labor. You had Sandy Kofax Ray for Johnson, Jim Brown,
these huge sports legends, urging teen teams to join the
(02:50):
A team. Why farm work bills men? So out of
the twenty thousand that they wanted, about three thousand the
actually showed up. One of them was Randy Carter, so
he and eighteen classmates from University of San Diego Hi
spent six weeks picking cantalopes in Blythe. That's a fun job,
(03:16):
by the way, for those of you that have not
either gone to Blythe and or picked cantalopes in Blythe,
you're in for a real treat if you try that.
It was so hot that the blowney sandwiches that they
were fed, the bread became toast by the time they
had lunch.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It was that hot.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And what they did, and that was in the shade,
by the way, it was so hot. So they slept
in these rickety shacks, I mean, these were the shacks
that the farm workers lived in. They just moved in
communal bathrooms showered in water that Carter said, Remember it
was a very nice shade of brown now as you
(03:59):
can image. And very few crews stayed around. They went,
they quit, or went on strike across the country. It
was abysmal work and the conditions was abysmal. It was miserable.
By the way, the A Team program was such a
disaster that the government number one never tried it again.
(04:20):
And it's not even in the history books. You won't
say much being mentioned about it if you go into
the archives of the US.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So now what's going on.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, legislators in some Red states are thinking about making
it easier for teenagers to work in agricultural jobs because
the antation patient of the deportation deluge which is going
to happen, which was promised and is coming to the forefront.
And so people are reaching out to Carter. He's become
a public figure, journalist, teachers, et cetera, to hear his
(04:53):
stories of fifty years ago when one of them, he
and his friends, made a wrong turn in blythe and
drove through the barrio and everyone looked at us like
we were specimens. But they were nice about it, and
what it was about, Carter said, They were dying to
see white kids tortured. They wanted to see these privileged
(05:15):
teens work their asses off and feel miserable about it,
wouldn't you. The University high crew was trained by a
Mexican foreman, and he looks back and says he hated
us because we were taking job from his family. The
crew worked six days a week for minimum wage was
(05:37):
a dollar forty in those days, and earned a nickel
for every crate filled with thirty to sixty candilops. By
the way, picking candilyops is no fun. There were a
lot of sticky things on the plants. Within two days,
we thought this is insane. By the third day we
wanted out, but we stayed, one of the very few
people that stayed because it was a badge of honor.
(06:01):
So the concept of Americans will do the job because
the Hispanics, the illegal migrants are going to be gone
is a complete croc It's that simple. They tried it
once and man that it's backbreaking work. And frankly, it
takes people that have no marketable skills, no education. I mean,
(06:27):
this is the bottom of the working barrel. It's people
who are underprivileged, who have no choice, who are super vulnerable.
And let me tell you, there are are there people
that are white and US citizens in that category, certainly
not as many as immigrants coming from South America. And so, okay,
(06:50):
we're going to find Americans that are going to be
out there picking strawberries and picking grapes, aren't we. There
is going to be and I think it's already place.
There's going to be a shortage. I mean, the picking season,
the harvesting season is going to be short of about
half the people. And for those of you that have
high school kids, why don't you tell them this is
(07:13):
a summer job you should have. It'll make a man
out of you. It'll even take the women and make
men out of them. Well, certain kinds of women who
I don't want to talk about that. That's a different
topic to talk about it at a different time. All Right,
what's going on tomorrow? Tomorrow is a big day. Tomorrow
(07:33):
is the Trump Putin Summit, or they say in Russia
the Putin Trump Summit. And this has evolved or devolved
from a deal was going to be made while I
actually started with President Trump, candidate Trump running for office
and saying day one I will end the war in Ukraine. Well,
(07:57):
it's been a few months past that, and it is
gone from I am going to end it to where
I will tell Putin to end it. I will talk
him into ending it. And now it's gone too Well,
I have a meeting where we're going to have a
(08:18):
listening exercise. I'm going to listen to what he says,
and then set up a meeting immediately afterwards with Zolensky
and with Putin and with Trump. Here's what's going to happen.
If I had to guess, all right, and we'll find
out if.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I'm right or not.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
We'll probably talk about talk about it on Monday. I
don't think Putin's gonna say a damn thing. Maybe you'll
sit down with with Zelensky, although I doubt it. He's
there's no upside, there's no downside for him to do
exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And here is what he does.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Do and and and finally Trump caught onto it is
they have great conversations where where Putin says, yes, I
want peace. Yes, it's important for us to have peace.
It's important for us to have a relationship with you,
particularly the United States. Remember, Russia is effectively a pariah
(09:14):
state right now, and the United States has some pretty
severe sanctions against Russia. And what Putin wants to do
is bring Russia back into the world community while the
war continues on while taking a good chunk of East
Ukraine annexing it. It becomes Russia. It's already annexed part
of it, and now it just Russia. Putin specifically simply
(09:39):
wants most of the eastern part of Ukraine being Russian.
And this is not a guy who just woke up
and wants land. One of the things that Putin has
said since day one.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean he said this for thirty years. Believes to his.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Very soul that Ukraine is part of Russia. That's it,
and he's going to Ball's wall to make it happen.
He invades That's the other thing. Trump blamed Ukraine for
starting the war. Figure that one out. So he invades
Ukraine and we're told that he may have lost already
(10:16):
a million men. Has really affected the Russian economy as
well as as it affected morale in Russia.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, this is no joke.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So he wants to keep on going for the annexation
of eastern Ukraine. And now the attack is going full
blast in anticipation of the meeting tomorrow. What he has
done for the last week is taken as much land
as he possibly can and start from there negotiating. And
(10:46):
our president said, yeah, there is going to be a
swap of land. Both sides are going to swap land.
We have to make this happen well, swapping land. How
much is Russia going to give up Aviitzi land? When
you think of a swap, what's going to happen is
Russia will give up some of the land it has
taken from Ukraine and saying here's the deal. Those areas
(11:11):
that we have taken you can have back, but will
keep the majority of the land. That is what Putin
is coming into the meeting tomorrow for and the president.
Our president just wants to stop the war for a
couple of reasons. First of all, I think he genuinely
believes that the killing has to stop. He sees the
(11:35):
missiles flying in, he sees hospitals being destroyed, people dying
by the thousands. So I believe he is deeply or
I believe he is affected by that. And the other thing,
he wants to make peace because he wants that noble
peace Prize. He wants to be He wants to be
known as the peacemaker. How do we know that he
(11:56):
wants the Nobel Peace Prize. He's asking for it, he
says publicly, I should get the Peace Prize. I think
he may be nominating himself for the Peace Prize because
he can nominate anybody. He's one of those people that
can nominate as well as zillions of other people. So
(12:17):
the expectations now for the summit are no longer.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
The war's going to end. We're going to come to
a deal.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Trump had told Ukraine where we expect you to sign
basically sign off on any deal we come up with
without Ukraine being at the table. And Zelensky is saying,
you think there's gonna be be a deal without us
being there? When you're talking about our land? And Zelensky said,
(12:47):
I can't even have I don't even have the authority
under our constitution to give away land. I can't do
it if I wanted to. And President Trump said, well,
you better yet it. You better figure out a way
of getting it, because we have to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The other side of that is the United States has
cut back somewhat, still supporting Ukraine has been up and down,
and Ukraine really doesn't have how much of an idea
of how much the United States so Russia, I mean,
so Europe has stepped in and Europe has taken over
the support of Ukraine because you've got the entire European
(13:30):
Union also not comfortable with what Putin is doing. They're
scared to death of Putin, scared of what he's gonna do.
I mean, the guy literally invaded a sovereign country and
is taking over its land. I mean, do you do
that in this day and age and not have consequences.
(13:54):
This is why I started with Russia having become a
pariah state, and Putin wants to come back, and he's
going he's going to negotiate to bring Russia back into
its ability to sell it's a ability to deal with
the European Union and the rest of the world in
terms of selling its oil. That's where Putin is coming from,
(14:15):
and to keep with the war going for him, the war,
keeping the war being kept on track is the best.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Thing in the world. So tomorrow, here's what you're going
to see.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You're going to see the President and Putin come out
and we're going to say we made some good inroads
on this. We don't have a deal, but we're on
our way to making a deal. And President Trump said
right after the meeting tomorrow he'll be putting together a
meeting between Putin Zelenski and him.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Will that happen? I don't think so. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I want to take you back to the mid eight
when I was teaching third party reproductive law. As you know,
that was my entire legal career, surrogate parenting, egg freezing,
sperm donation, the laws surrounding that entire field, which was
in its infancy, and we really didn't know much about
(15:19):
what was going on. And at that time I also
had a surrogacy program and just started an egg bank,
an egg freezing program. So what I would do when
I taught is I would talk about what the future
was going to bring. I would talk about science fiction,
and that is the ability to actually go into an
(15:43):
embryo and determine what diseases are present, what predisposition. The
human genome has now been discerned. I mean, we now
know all of the human genome, and we didn't know
at the time we could do. That is you can
take doctors take and this is for in vitro fertilization,
(16:06):
because you have to have the embryo sitting there in
front of you in a petriot dish. You take one
cell out of an eight cell embryo, for example, or
out of a sixteen stage embryo, take one cell out
and do probably two hundred tests on it. By the way,
the cell regrows in the embryo, it's like a salamander,
(16:29):
like growing a tailback that comes back. You can't do
that with people that are, let's say, in their thirties.
And you can do genetic testing. And what genetic testing
was and is is to determine genes that will actually
cause diseases. You can see that tasas right there. You
(16:51):
can tell Huntington's it's right there. The brocka gene, which
gives you a huge percentage of breast cancer for women,
it's right there. And you can actually and when it
comes to determining which sex your child is going to be,
(17:11):
it's right there.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You can tell that's one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And so that works when you're talking about removing diseases
or not going forward with that embryo and going forward
with healthy embryo. And it's been done with tasacs that
is a horrific disease at East European Jewish disease or
sickle cell anemia, which is primarily African Americans or African
(17:38):
people of African descent. And so here was my question,
and that is, we all feel pretty good about genetic
testing and changing and removing genes, manipulating them so we
remove diseases. How about using the same science and making
(18:01):
your kid stronger, faster. Looking at testing blue eyed, blonde
hair if you happen to be a Nazi. And here's
the one that is really a big one, and that
is having smarter babies higher IQ. Can that be done? Now?
(18:28):
We're not talking about manipulating genes in this case. We're
talking about creating a system or predicting how smart your
kid is going to be. How is that? How do
you predict how smart your kid is going to be?
I mean, there's some traditional ways of doing it. You
(18:49):
get two smart parents and you get some probably you
get some smart kids, or you get geniuses, Nobel Prize
winners or the king. Eh, there's no great shakes there. Okay,
that's fine. They tore about tore out Albert Einstein's brain
and studied it and the kids are just your regular kids.
(19:14):
So there is an obsession and where is it? Oh,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And this is a predictor using technology pre implantation diagnostics
where you can actually look at at the embryo stage.
You can look at diseases, you can look at propensities,
and according to some people, you can look at the
(19:45):
prediction of a high IQ. So how is that done
and who is doing it? This gets interesting stuff. We're
talking about scientific reproduction and genetic engineering and pre implantation diagnosis,
which means you can actually out of an embryo. This
(20:06):
is when you use IVF out of an embryo, take
a cell and do hundreds of tests on the cell. Now,
some are automatic, you tell the sex. You can certainly
look at genes that absolutely are connected to diseases like
Huntington's and then others are maybe predictors.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now, predictors are Some.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Of the stuff is easy with predictors, and that is
your parents. For example, Lebron James, one of the greatest
basketball players on the planet, his kid Damn good. How
many of these sports guys have their sons. Also, phenomenal
sports people. That's genetic You know that, we all know
that that's what happens. Now, can you predict I mean,
(20:54):
that's not a scientific prediction at all.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Is there a cultural prediction? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But what we're talking about what's going on in Silicone
Valley is a scientific predictive model. There's a guy in
the name of sphe Benson Tielsen, a mathematician, and he
is looking at AI and has decided that people who
are intelligent are going to stop AI from destroying the world. Well,
(21:24):
that's no longer there, okay. Now he's simply trying to
figure out breeding breed. This is literally breeding smarter babies
and parents are paying up the fifty thousand dollars for
new genetic testing services that include promises to screen embryos
for IQ. Now, is there a genetic test for IQ?
(21:47):
Is there a gene for IQ that tells us, for example,
the sex of a baby. We know that when you
do IVF and you're looking at an embryo, we know
there's a Huntington's gene with IQ.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
No, So here's what people are doing. This is called
genetic optimization. It's really about merit and success, and they
do all of this testing to come up with predictors,
and we really don't know. It's pretty loose out there,
(22:25):
and a lot of people are just looking at this
and figuring out what's going on. Sasha Gusev is a
statistical geneticist at Harvard Medical School, and it says, now
there is a tool where people think they can determine
IQ of their kids. Really Hank Greeley, who is the
(22:50):
director of the Center for Law and Biosciences at Stanford says,
this is great science fiction. That's what this is about.
It's a movie, a science fiction movie. Rich people create
a genetically superior cast that takes over and the rest
of us are proles, not bad.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Is it possible?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You know most of the authorities are saying no, but
you know, in Silicon Valleys you're ready for this. Top
preschools require IQ testing of kids that are coming in.
How do you do an IQ test on a five
year old? And how about the moral aspects of this? Well,
(23:33):
parents aren't burdened by that and trying to use technology.
So there are a couple of startup companies that have
become that have begun offering IQ predictors based on genetic tests,
and people select which embryo to use for IVF.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
It is expensive, but it is growing.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
There is a couple, Simon and Malcolm Colin Colin who
are leaders in this quote. Pro natalist movement encourages lots
of babies and they've worked in tech and venture capital
and they four kids through IVF and they use this
process to analyze their embryos. And they chose the embryo
she is now pregnant with because it had a low
(24:18):
reported risk for cancer. What does that have to do
with IQ? IQ? Well, if you put all of genetic information,
and what they did is had a spreadsheet and looked
at the testing that can be done, and there are
hundreds of tests out of that, predicting IQ can be
(24:42):
done theoretically. Now most scientists are saying this is a
complete croc How good is anyone at predicting IQ with
genetic testing? The answer isn't very good. Porto, professor at
the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who pioneered these models. Actually
now researchers have found there is some correlation between cognitive
(25:04):
ability and the cumulative effect of thousands of variants thousands
in the human genome, and he says current models explain
about five to ten percent of the differences in cognitive ability.
We're not sark on IQ between people, and if parents
rank their embryos by predicted IQ, they may gain between
(25:27):
three and four points on average differentiating among random just
having kids randomly. It's not going to make your kid
a prodigy, absolutely not. And so you know you make
smarter kids. This may just be a crop, but these
companies are making a fortune. There are a couple of
things that do work. How to determine We could have
(25:50):
determined at the IVF process, male or female. And what
we did this is Marjorie and I. What we did
is she wanted girls. We got girls, and we did
sperm spinning. Put sperm in a centrifuge. Put my sperm
in the centrifuge. And let me tell you, they get
really dangerous. Putting a sperm specimen in a spinning centrifuge.
(26:12):
You got to be very careful. And the male sperm
went to the outside because it is heavier, and that
was and the inside sperm that was closer to the
middle of the centrifuge. Chances are that those are female.
And that's exactly what was used, is the spinning device.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Now I Originally I thought that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Spinning the sperm was me just spinning around as fast
as I could and then producing the sperm specimen. And
it turned out, well, you got cent centrifugal force where
you know, you're spinning and it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Hits the out. Now, it's not that at all.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It is putting your sperm specimen into a centrifuge. The
Iranians are doing it at the same time that they're
doing uranium. It's uh, they save money one centrifuge for both.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Okay, we're done. I had to go there. You know,
I have to end these stories, no matter.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
How serious they are, I have to end them with
the way I end them. Okay, KF I am six.
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