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December 4, 2025 33 mins

Retired CBSLA investigative reporter David Goldstein checked in, sharing how life after the newsroom is going and reflecting on the high cost and intense pressure that come with investigative journalism. Many in the city still miss reporters of his caliber. 

A deeply troubling trend is emerging: more cases of sons killing their parents, raising serious concern among authorities and communities. 

On a lighter note, Tim Cates from AM 570 Sports stopped by on his way to Disneyland for the company holiday party. 

And officials confirmed that the 5.9 Nevada earthquake alert was a false alarm, causing confusion but thankfully no real danger.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's KMF I Am six forty and you're listening to
the Conway Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
If you're traveling eastbound right now and you look up
into your left a little bit to your left, like
east northeast, you can see a full moon.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
And it's a full moon.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's called the cold moon Thursday, December four, twenty twenty five,
peaking around three fourteen pm local time. It's also a
super moon, making for great viewing opportunity right now.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
If you're on the.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Ten east, the one, the two ten east sixty ninety one,
you're heading east, I think you get that, or north
you can probably see it as well.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
But that is a full moon and a cold moon.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know why they called a cold moon, but they
do so just to deal with that.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
But it's really cool to see. Look.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean, I'm looking at it right now, and you're
probably looking at it right now. I always found that
odd that. You know, my grandparents who lived in Ohio,
you know, when I was younger, I was on the
phone with them. You know, my grandmother would say, hey,
can you see the moon. I said, yeah, I'm looking
at it right now, and she says I'm also looking

(01:27):
at it. She was in Cleveland, Ohio, and she's looking
at the moon. I'm looking the moon. We're both staring
at the same thing, even though we're three thousand miles apart.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh, it's kind of movie. Yeah, kind of a cool dude.
I enjoyed that. I loved it. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
We have to thank everybody who showed up at the pastathon,
everyone that donated. We had an unbelievable year. I thought
we'd come in around three hundred thousand. Bruno thought four
hundred thousand. Nobody nobody guessed over a million dollar one million,
one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's without the Wendy's numbers.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
That could be another one hundred and fifty thousand, and
also smart and final, they're still collecting and so that
might be another huge chunk of money. All going to
help Bruno feed these kids who have no food, and
it goes.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's a great, great deal, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yesterday we did a little we did some about some
stories about kids killing their parents, and I'm hoping it's
not a trend. If you have sons, you better really
hope this is not a trend. But it's happened twice
in southern California, once in I think Tarzan or Van

(02:48):
Ey's just yesterday, and then in Siami Valley over the
last week. And now it's happened in Long Island, and
it's also happened in Illinois. So I don't know if
this is a trend. I don't know if there's a
game out there where part of the game is wiping
out your parents. But this is alarming, and everybody who

(03:12):
has kids is praying this does not become a trend.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
It's Hicksville Road here in Bethpage and just a very
tragic situation on our hands. You can see ambulances and
police still here at the scene. Police are telling us
this is a homicide investigation. Eyewitnesses are telling us an
elderly couple was stabbed here, two people stabbed, and at
least one of them is now dead.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
All right, I'm sorry I couldn't hear him from on
my point, but we finally got it hooked up here,
ladies and gentlemen. One of my favorite reporters who is
responsible for keeping this city clean and safe and then
he retired and it went to hell, is David Goldstein.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
He's with us from Ky Callen CBS. David Goldstein, Hi you, Bob.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Hey Jimmy, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Ah Man?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
The city of Los Angelus has gone in the s
in the in the crappers since you left.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
You know, I get frustrated when I see all that
stuff out there. I bet you do take a step
and say, hey.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I could do not I don't really want it, but
it really has. I mean, Michael Monks here, a KFI
is trying to keep him on his downtown, but they
don't seem to care or listen. But it was you
that always drove around and if you know, if cal
Trans was drinking on the job or not working, you always,
you know, held them responsible.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
And nobody does that anymore.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, you know. I mean that's that's the importance of
investigative reporting, which unfortunately we're seeing less and less of
around the country because it costs a lot of money
to have investigated reporters do work like we were doing. Well,
Unfortunately that's not happening as much. But you know, I
still watch it, I still see it. I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
What are you doing with retirement? I mean, you're just
sitting around. I'm not staring at door at the all time.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Uh No, she's never here. You know, we're doing a
lot of traveling. Uh. I'm playing ten and my tennis
game has gotten really good. Uh playing tennis three four
days a week. You know, we're watching a beautiful sunset
right now.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Did you do you miss it? You missed the work
at all?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know, I do. I miss the people. I missed
the office. I miss going into one office. I don't
miss the pressure of it. And I I didn't realize
the tremendous pressure you're under until I left, until I
had to decompress. It's about six months to decompress, really,

(05:44):
and and but you know it's I don't look back.
It was a great time in my life. I moved
on to another chapter. Now I'm toying with maybe doing
a couple of things here and there. But you know,
we're doing a lot of traveling.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I drove by some city work. I don't know what
their job was, but I saw them all just sitting,
you know, leaning on their shovel, and I rolled the
window down. I yelled out, you wouldn't be doing that
if gold Steam was still.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Here, you know, I still I mean every time I
drive by some construction side caltrans or DWP and there's
like ten people there where you can see how many
people you need to stand around to tell the one
guy to dig and put the plow right here, and
the other guys are just standing around. It's like, come on,

(06:31):
and you know, I know how much you know those
guys are making They're they're not making jump change.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh I know. Yeah, you're exactly right, You're exactly right.
But where have you traveled to? Have you gone any
interesting places?

Speaker 5 (06:45):
We went to Vietnam and Southeast Asia a few months ago,
which was really interesting. You went to Thailand, Cambodia, it
was fun. We had a blast. We've been to most
in Italy and uh and all around that area there.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Get around.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well that's you know, for many many years you had
a two Czech family. So that's what you get with
two checks.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, I mean Dorothy's teaching, so that's like a quarter
of a check.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know, Mark Thompson went to Vietnam and I heard
him about a year after he got back.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
He was telling a guy his story.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
He goes, yeah, I was in Vietnam, And I'm like, buddy,
you can't say you were in Vietnam. You have to say,
you traveled to Vietnam, there's.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
A difference exactly different, exactly. Yeah, you know, it's the
the army bases are still there. Oh wow, when you're
in Saigon and uh, you know, they're they're just deserted now.
And it's it's it's really really interesting to figure out that,
you know, it wasn't too long ago we were all
shooting at each other.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, no, I mean we were live in you know,
and you and I were live.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
I love talking to the people there and what you
think about you know, Americans and coming here and tourism
and all that, and it's fascinating. It's fascinating to visit
these parts of the world things that we couldn't do
when we were working, you know, to just go on
extended vacations, which has been great.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Right, it's been great.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
But Goldstein, I've been likewise right back with you. But
I don't get a sense that you want to get
back to busting the balls of people who work for
the city or the county. But look, I got to
tell you one more time. They need that now more
than ever we need it.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
They do, they do, they do, and there's so much
wasted money around, and you know, you see public officials,
you know, from the mayor on down, talking about counting
all these great things that have been done, and you
look at it and it's really not happening. It's all
a pr game that they're putting out there, and there
are very few you challenge them to say, hey, wait,

(09:02):
sick uh you know this is not happening, or yeah,
you're moving these homeless out, But what did that cost?
You know, you might as well, you know, buy condominiums
for everybody, right, But.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You were but Goldstein, you were the only guy doing that,
and you were the only guy in in local media
that would come on and give his opinion. Everybody came
in and gave facts and you know, and gave us
and both sides every issue. But you came in and said, no, no,
this city is not run properly, this county is not
run properly. And you made a big difference, and somebody

(09:35):
needs a step into those shoes.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
I appreciate it. I appreciate I mean, you know, Joel
Grover did a fabulous job as well.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
He retired too.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Joel is yeah, Joel retired. We text back and forth.
We're going to get together at some point.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
You got it.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Job and others.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
All right, you and Joel have got to get together
and come back for like, you know, two specials a
year on what a hell hole this is?

Speaker 5 (09:59):
That be fun? You know, if I could do like
two specials a year, I think that would be fascinating.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I can sell that to CBS tone in and.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Week out, all right, you do you know, Actually I may.
I may go back to the station in a week
or so because Dorothy's going over there. Oh goody, go
back and visit people.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh that's great, man, buddy, I'm glad you're enjoying your retirement.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
You know, I miss I missed you know, no BF,
but I missed you in your show. I missed you
and John when I used to do John and always fun.
And you know you can tell your listeners. I mean
we texted over Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
And then and then you were nice enough to say, hey,
why don't you come on come on the show. So yeah,
we're still still friends, still connected, and I still love that.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I love when I you know, when we always play
that SoundBite of one of these cops that got into
some trouble with you and he went mister gold Stain right,
and then and then later he found out he was
at the U and the hairs of your bulls and
he wasn't so thrilled.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
No, it took him about five seconds to realize that
one of the classics the shots that we had there.
We went, we walked up and I forgot it and
David and he's like my name, and I'm like, well,
because you.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
We're losing you here, buddy.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Let me put you on hold. Let's put him on
hold and then we will. I'll thank you off the
air and text you. But I really appreciate you coming on,
David gold Stained. Everybody that guy was great.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
When that guy was on the air, everybody asked in
their pants when he came around with his Jean Rayburn microphone,
that long ass mic that he had, and always asking people, Hey,
what are you doing here? Why aren't you working? Why
are you drinking while you're driving the city vehicle? Why
are you drinking while you're filling potholes? Why are you
guys always drinking while you're working. Nobody does that anymore.

(11:56):
And look what that town has turned into. It's just
like a like a toilet. Well that's where we live.
That's where we've chosen, right. Everybody is sort of relaxed,
and the homeless, the trash, the crime, we just all
deal with it until we get wiped out. And then
the next generation will come by and either they'll do
something about it or they'll get wiped out too.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
So welcome to LA.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
We have a new trend and I hope it doesn't
take off, but it is mostly suns for now, and
then usually, you know, five six years later, women pick
up on it and they jump.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
In on it.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But it's it's sons killing their mom and dad. And
that was sort of popular way back in this eighties
or nineties. It started to resurface again. You had the
Menendez brothers, and thank god that didn't take off when

(13:02):
the Menendez brothers killed their parents. But now I don't
know what's going on out there where there's a story
every couple of weeks where the son is wiping out
the parents. This one happened in I think this one's
in New York and the other one is in Illinois,

(13:24):
but there were two out here in the last week
yesterday or day before yesterday. I think it was yesterday
in Van Eyes or Tarzana. And then there's another one
in Seeney Valley. A doctor, sixty three year old doctor
and a sixty six year old wife wiped out by
the husband's son and the step son of the woman.

(13:48):
And I hope it doesn't take off, but it looks
like it is. Looks like it is. This one's in Illinois.
This one's outside of Sycamore, Illinois. And this one is
again the son wiping everybody everybody out.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Now to Kel County.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Son has been charged tonight in the murder of his parents.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
Their bodies were found this morning in a home in Sycamore.
A family member called police for a welfare check after
not hearing from sixty year old Gary Schmidt and fifty
nine year old Holly Schmidt. Their son, thirty five year
old Kevin Schmidt, who lived in the home with him,
is now facing first degree murder charges. No word yet
on a possible motive.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Thirty five year old son living at home, I would
sleep with one eye open, all right. That was a
couple weeks ago that that happened. But this one is
a current one. I think this one was on Long.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Islands here for more than three decades.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I mean, this is this is you know, another story
of mom and dad working and raising a kid who's
thirty five, I believe, and at home and loses.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
It Hicksville Road here in Bethpage and just a very
tragic situation on our hands. You can see ambulances and
police still here at the scene. Police are telling us
this is a homicide investigation. Eyewitnesses are telling us an
elderly couple was stabbed here. Two people stabbed and at
least one of them is now dead. Now, this is

(15:11):
a very emotional situation out here, as the couple's family
was here at the scene. Friends and customers telling us
the elderly couple ran the A and a Italian deli
here in Bethpage.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I bet that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I bet that Italian deli made some really nice food
for a long time. And then the sun is putting
an end to all that.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
An established business here for more than three decades.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
But you can't be a great deli or a deli
in that part of a Nassau county without being great.
You can't survive thirty years, no way. It had to
be Fantastic Food.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Say, at some point right after nine o'clock this morning,
one of the couple's sons, who was inside the deli
with them, stabbed both of them. We spoke with one
witness who was inside the deli right when this happened.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know how much anger is involved when you now,
you don't shoot mom and dad, you stab stab them,
stab them with probably knives that were bought for the restaurant.
You know, the chef uses the knife that you took,
and you killed your mom and dad and you saw

(16:20):
them die in front of you when you repeatedly stab them.
Can you imagine how much anger did this kid had
to be able to do that. It's one thing where
you shoot your parents from twenty feet away, you can't
really see what's going on. It's loud, there's smoke, there's screaming,
and you run like happen in Siam Valley in the garage.

(16:41):
But it's another one when you're right on top of
them stabbing.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Them to death.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
That has that had to have been seen by somebody
in that restaurant that this was coming, that this craziness
was coming.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
And another eyewitness who watched all of this unfold in
the moments that followed, the Sun give himself up to
police as they then placed him on the ground. Both
witnesses telling us the Sun was very matter of fact
about all of this, despite this shocking alleged crime. Here's
what they had to say, is the way.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
Seems that ever happened to me in my life. Say
and I'm ninety seven years old.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Wow, that guy's ninety seven. He sounds like he's fifty seven.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
This guy is the way seems that ever happened to
me in my life. Say and I'm ninety seven years old. Wow,
I just seen this the son walking out and he
says that I choose to stay at my parents and
that was it.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
And nothing else, nothing else, nothing else.

Speaker 9 (17:36):
He was very cool and cool and cool.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And now the ninety seven is coming in.

Speaker 9 (17:43):
He was very cool and cool, cool, and.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I see it now like nothing happened.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
They just taggled him and when they turned him around,
that's when you see the hands of old, bloody and stuff,
blah blah.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
And he just sat him down and yeah, the cops
came locked it all off, but he was just sitting
on a car.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Now what happens the business golf gets folded up.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
No one's going to take it over.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
The whole community loses because of this nut this guy.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Again, these are the words of the eyewitnesses, one of
them an elderly man who was inside that deli when
it happened. Another one who literally saw the man go
to the ground and police taking him into custody. And
so what we have here again a very disturbing homicide investigation.
It apparently involves a family, a well established business.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, it sucks, it really does. Hope it's not a trend.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on demand from KFI
Am six forty.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I don't know if you got the shake alert today
at eight o'clock.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Do you get a croach? I did. Yeah, I got
it too.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
It scared the hell out of me, woke me up,
panicked me, and I almost had a heart attack. I
think I did have a heart attack, and I was up.
I was up after that. I was up.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
You can't go back to sleep waiting for it. I'm
waiting for it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I gen's downstairs, she gets it. Everybody's panicking and then nothing,
no shaking, nothing. Turns out it was a false alarm.
It was a false alarm.

Speaker 11 (19:16):
I didn't think too much about it because as soon
as I looked at it, I was like, where.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That might be the last thing? You say, young man?
You know where bad? Because it was like Nevada.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, I was on the border of California, Nevada.

Speaker 11 (19:31):
And I was sitting everything, Why am I getting this?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'm with you, why are we getting this stupid thing?
And so I that was the last one I had
on my phone, and I erased it and I said,
I'm out. I'll go down with the ship. Yeah, but
I can't stand these things. They freak me out, do
they really?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Because I panic because I don't know if it's the
big one. Wow, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (19:54):
And you basically born and bred here for the most part,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I was here for the nineteen seventy one earthquake that
had the Sill mar quake that had me crazy, unbelievable. Wait,
bring him in, Bring these people in. Yeah, come on in.
All right, we're on the air, but come on in.
This is Tim Kates and and wait, Kate's come in here.
Get on that mike and introduce these people. What's wrong

(20:19):
with you? You can't bring half ass bring people in like this?

Speaker 3 (20:22):
We're just doing a family tour here, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Friend by Tim Kates is the producer of Petros of Money,
and you also do the Dodgers, you do UCLA, do
the Raiders, and you work harder than anybody.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Else in the building. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
You make a ton of money and you get a
lot of time off a ton of money.

Speaker 10 (20:36):
I just rolled around time off, right, So it's nice
to beig company party down. It's Disneyland or a California venture. So, yeah,
the family is here. So my wife Leslie is here,
my daughter Sadie and ils here.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Come on.

Speaker 10 (20:49):
This is so it's a holidays. Yeah, so I'm just
giving the tour. AM radio stations talk about great tour, right,
that's right. Yeah, you dream about that stuff every day.
Tour It sucks around here.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
What are the names?

Speaker 9 (21:00):
Hear?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
What's your name?

Speaker 10 (21:01):
This is Neil, my nephew Neil Asa how you that's
my daughter Sadie over there, Sadie?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
How are you? And my wife Leslie and your wife Leslie?

Speaker 6 (21:09):
More?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
We got more coming Conway fans. That's great in your
Disneyland shirt. I get that.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I have a couple of extra tickets I don't know
if my wife's gonna go, and and I don't feel
like I should go to like Disney by myself.

Speaker 10 (21:24):
I think that's all a little creepy. It's a little creepy.
There is a host at KFI that's probably down there
right now.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Who's that. I'm not gonna say name, Shannon.

Speaker 10 (21:31):
Farn But they just like to hang out and just
kind of people watch and they I'll do it so
you can drink there.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
So yeah, maybe I'll do that. All right, where are
you gonna be Are you gonna be walking around or the.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Wife and I are gonna just be walking around.

Speaker 10 (21:41):
So the kids are gonna go out running around, do
the Tower of Tear all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So all right, and it opens you can get in
at six, so about twenty minutes you can slide in.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
We have two hours of traffic that are sitting right
in front.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Of that ride, all right, and then so at nine
o'clock they kick everybody else out that's not in our party.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
From nine to one we have the run of the place.
Oh it's awesome. Give you special wristband. If you don't
have the wristband on, boom, out of here gone. This
is the greatest guy in the world at this station.
And I'm not I say that without your wife here
as well. It helps and your daughter. This is the
greatest guy. Thank you, Cole, you're the best. And what
are your three daughter's names, Ruby, Layla and Sadie.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Excellent?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
And one of my favorite lines is when Petro said,
you have them all in the same room and you're
raising them orphanage time.

Speaker 10 (22:26):
That's right, right, they have a square foot bedroom with
three beds.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Buddy, Look, you should be very proud of yourself and
your wife putting three kids through college and working your
asses off to do.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
That, and do it in radio too. It's amazing. That's right,
and raising three good kids. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Who vote right too, believe it? I believe it all right,
Thank you. Nice to see you guys. Nice to see
you guys.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Continue at the tour of AM radio stations. These kids
are in their early twenties and there were it's like
giving him a tour of like the library.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
They give him a Titanic tour.

Speaker 11 (23:09):
That's great, man, they could possibly dream mostly that's classy.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
He should go up to the fifth floor with them.
You know, we're all but there's nobody up there. Yeah,
but the FM stations are all up there. You got
Woody people. I wonder if wood he's going tonight.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Maybe I'll hang out with Woody if I got to
go by myself, you know, or you'll be there. Yeah,
Crowz is going. Yeah, and you're going with your wife. Yeah,
and your daughter.

Speaker 11 (23:31):
She goes, No, she's got to work. She's doing, she's
doing stuff. Oh that's great, she's working. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she's doing she's running lights for a tech show's n
doing tech for a show?

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, excellent. We gotta take a break.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I'm okay, So I will come back and talk
about this stupid alert. This thing made me crazy. This
morning around eight o'clock, Colleen Williams busted the balls of
the USGS and had him explain why we all went
through this, because I understood that there needs to be
four separate detectors detecting an earthquake before we get the alert.

(24:04):
And how did this happen? How did four detectors miss
this and then we all got the hell scared out
of us at eight o'clock this morning. Well, Colleen Williams
dives deep into it and we'll find out what happened.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
You're listening to Tim Conway Junior on De Maya from
KFI Am sixty.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
The shake alarm alert went off today. They woke me up,
got me up. I was up earlier than I fell asleep,
and then at eight o'clock when that hit, I was up.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I was up for the day.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Let's find out how this happened and why the state
of California, La County and LA City doesn't seem to
get anything right. And everybody has to be annoyed by this,
especially people who are terrified of earthquakes. You know, Uper

(25:00):
Mark is one of them who is absolutely terrified. And
I'm okay with earthquakes until i get a shake alert
that I'm about to get killed, and then that freaks
me out a little bit, and I don't like that.
So I've erased all of them. They're all off my phone.
I'm not getting any more alerts. I've asked my wife,
please take them off your phone, because if you wake

(25:22):
up and you get alert at night, it's gonna wake
me up too. So let's just go down together with
the ship. But I don't understand how this happened. There's
so many backups and redundancies that have to be complete,
have to have complete failures in order for this to happen.
Colleen Williams with NBC got to the bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Did you feel it? And the answer is you did not.

Speaker 12 (25:46):
The USGS says a shake alert that went out this
morning was in fact a false alarm. My shake alerts
went off around eight o'clock this morning for a five
point nine earthquake near the California Nevada border, about thirty
miles north of.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Tahoe, Okay, thirty miles north of Lake Tahoe. Do you
know how big the earthquake has to be where it's
centered thirty miles north of Lake Tahoe, and we get
the shake alert that's got to be you know, the
entire nation is moving.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
It appeared on the USGS Earthquakes map, but was quickly
deleted right after that. And we want to bring in
Robert Grue with the USGS Earthquake Science Center in Pasadena.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Long day for this guy on X by the way,
a lot of complaining, a lot of people taking shots
at this cat from the United States Geological.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Center Service or whatever this guy is.

Speaker 12 (26:39):
Thanks so much for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Glad to be here. Thank you a fine pot. Do
you think he's glad to be here? He's about to
take some heat.

Speaker 12 (26:47):
Nine is a pretty good size quake. Did you get
a lot of calls or feedback on this?

Speaker 11 (26:51):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yes, In fact, I manage our ex account and oh good,
I've only seen the beginnings of the replies from people
with ART.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
One of them was from me, by the way, totally justified.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
We know that people get very concerned, and we take
those concerns very seriously.

Speaker 12 (27:07):
So Robert, let's break it down a little bit. What
would trigger an alert like this?

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Great question, Yes, and that's something that we're still investigating.
One thing that we know for sure is that the
Shake alert system processing side and the alert delivery side,
meaning the part that takes the data from the field
right and then hands it off to folks like my shape,
actually deliver the other arts performed as designed.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
It didn't.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
What we're looking at is that interface between the data
that came in from the sensors in the field, the
seismometers in Western Nevada, and the processing algorithms that actually
use that information to generate what would eventually end up
as an alert on the other side.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
So there was some.

Speaker 12 (27:49):
Sort of data that was fed in, not necessarily a
computer glitch here.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
Yes, So we rely completely on the sensor networks that
provide us with the data from the field, and then
we interpret that information, of course over a matter of
just a couple of seconds, because shakeler has to be
really fast to do what it does to get alerts
to people. And so that's really what we're looking at now.
But again it's really it's a multi faceted system. So

(28:19):
we want to look at how that data was interpreted
by the computer software that we have in place.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay, so how often are these false alarms going to happen?
How often are you going to cry wolf? And then
people will say, oh, it's probably just another false alarm,
and then thousands of people get wiped out, and.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
This will likely lead to some improvements and to better
interpretations of data coming in from the field.

Speaker 12 (28:45):
You talk about this happening very quickly. How quickly before
someone realized this was in fact.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
A false alarm? Four days?

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Yes, So one of the things, of course that we
did immediately is that we realized that there was no earthquake.
So the US just the immediate step to basically cancel
the notification that there was an earthquake then.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So it's another alert you get. You get the alert
that you're going to die, and then you get the
alert that you are not going to die. But the
second one freaks you out too.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
So work directly with our alert delivery partners to let
them know, to get the word out on their side,
to let people know that there was no earthquake, and
of course we use folks in the media to get
the word out about what would actually happened. And also
in a very small region in eastern California, there were

(29:37):
wireless emergency alerts delivered very similar to an amber alert
that you'd get on your phone. There's an automated cancelation
message that was sent out as a result of this
as well, so people got notification that way.

Speaker 12 (29:49):
One other quick questions, does this happen often?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
In fact doesn't have there's a time where what we
would call an end to end false alert delivery. Very
careful about this. We build in all kinds of safeguards
including really we have to have a minimum of four
stations to tell us whether or not it's an earthquake
or not.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
In some so all four of them have failed.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
How today it got past the four stations, so we're
trying to figure that out.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
All right, Robert, so much for your time.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Thank you, Thank you, Robert, thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Appreciate that fun morning, thanks to the USGS. That was
a sweet morning. Enjoyed that. All right, Just another thing
that doesn't work here in California. All right, we still
have money coming in, but right now we're at over
one point one million dollars for the pastathon and ninety
two thousand pounds of postin saw us. This is without

(30:43):
the numbers from Wendy's and also the final smart and
final numbers, so this could be one point three million.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
That's a big deal. Krozer.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I thought it'd be three hundred thousand for the day
and that'd be you.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (30:56):
I wasn't expecting a million, but I didn't expect it
to hit them.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean, you know that. But I thought it was
going to be lower.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
When John was signing off, I think it was at
two point fifty or three hundred.

Speaker 11 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, it with some it might have been like
four four hundred yeah, four sounds right, something like that.
Maybe a little more.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I mean, look, I'm not taking credit for going from
four hundred to one point one million, you know, because
a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Happen, But somebody who is.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Not really trained to look at those numbers could assume
that that happened.

Speaker 11 (31:29):
We will say that the crowd was much smaller before
you started, right, Okay, it was dramatically bigger by the end.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Is that right? Oh my god, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah, it was at least at least double Okay,
Oh that's great.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
And you know what, I hate to take credit for that,
because this audience is employed, yes, and so they work.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
That is a huge factory afternoon and your show starts
at four.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's right, So you can't get out of work at
eleven am or ten am or five am or whatever.

Speaker 11 (31:59):
Plus you know, it's you know, you want to kind
of be there for the grand finale of the.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you want to be there
when you can eat, you know, when you're after it's
after work, you can have a drink, because you can't
have a drink and go back to work anymore. You
get fired for doing that.

Speaker 11 (32:13):
Yeah, like the good old days to Martinie lunch.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I don't know. Anybody who drinks at lunch anymore.
You know, it's very rare, and when you do see it,
you're like, wow, what's going on with this guy?

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Total judgment app Yeah, right, exactly, they used to judge
if you didn't drink, right, that's exact opposite.

Speaker 11 (32:30):
If the sentiment's the same, just means a different thing. Now, yes,
all right, it's coming up on six bells. Enjoy that
full moon. It's a full ass moon. Look up to
your east northeast and you can see that big ass moon.
We're live on KFI AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
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