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May 9, 2025 51 mins

Why even self-help authors can still be messy.

 

Glennon Doyle is the CEO and Founder of Treat Media, an award-winning media company that makes art for humans who want to stay human. She is an author, podcaster, producer, and philanthropist. Her books include the #1 New York Times bestsellers Untamed and Love Warrior; the New York Times bestseller Carry On, Warrior; and Get Untamed: The Journal.

 

Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup champion,  six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award and one of Time’s Most Influential People. She is a founder of Treat Media, and the author of the #1 New York Times Bestseller Wolfpack and the New York Times bestseller Forward.



In this episode we talk about:

  • Significant personal struggles that happened simultaneously for Glennon, Abby, and Glennon's sister, Amanda
  • How that led to them writing a book about the fundamental life questions they believe everyone grapples with
  • Why people in the self-help world don’t always have their shit together
  • Why trauma leads to dissociation 
  • How to “go on” after the experience of grief
  • Why we are the way we are
  • Family roles, attachment theory, and learned behaviors
  • The possibility of personal change
  • Our thoughts on the latest season of the White Lotus
  • And much more



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