May 24, 2018 • 28 mins
This week Matty talks to Oscar Ramirez from the new iHeartRadio Podcast, "The Daily Dive"! They talk about his transition from producing into hosting his own podcast, what he's learned from podcasting, and find out which person dead or alive, Oscar would would want to hear a podcast from in our 3 Killer Questions round!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome back to Access Podcast, the podcast about podcast. I'm
Maddie Stout and producer Z. What's up, Mattie. This is
our last episode for the second season. Wow, a little
a little early on, but we've got a great episode
lined up for you. There's a new podcast on iHeart
Radio called The Daily Dive and the host is Oscar Ramirez.
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We're gonna hear from him in a second, but let's
check out a little bit of The Daily Dive right now.
When is the right time to move out of your
parents house? The thirty ye old Michael Rotondo, The time
had come and went, so much so that his parents
took legal action to evict him from their house. His
parents sent him a number of eviction notices and finally
took him to court, but Michael was still fighting to stay.
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Oscar Amirez, friend, good to have you on the show.
Thanks for having me, Maddie. I'm pretty excited about about
the new podcast, The Daily Dive, And I'm really excited
for you, Oscar, because you're somebody who has worked a
lot as a producer and this is this is the
first show where you're the star. How do you feel
about that? I'm pretty excited you're right. I mean, I've
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been producing for such a long time, and I had, like,
I had a podcast way back in the day, you
know when we all start out and we have you know,
our little pet projects. I had one with a buddy
of mine, Mondo Hernandez, and you know, it was just
about music. It was about a couple of other random stuff,
news news items. But yeah, this is the first thing
that I've kind of been able to call my own now,
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so I'm very excited. Well, I'm a I'm a fan
of a good radio story because I never have met
anybody who has like a boring radio story of how
they got into radio. So don't don't don't be the first. Um,
how did you end up in this wacky career. Well,
like I said, I I had my friend Mondo, who
I was working with at another station. We were doing
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live and local show. I was just, you know, kind
of an intern. I would work on some web stuff,
but we're doing a live in local show with the host.
We were in l a. But we were doing our
show for Denver, Colorado, and we did that for a
few years. We doubled up. We had another show that
was for El Paso, Texas, but it was the same thing.
It was this live and local thing that we were
trying to accomplish, and out of live in local in
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El Paso, based out of l A. That was the
deal that our host had and and then two thou
eight hit and everything crashed. So I got laid off
for a little bit. And then I was I kept
emailing people here at KFI, which where I where I
started the rest of my radio career, and I said, hey,
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I'm available, let me help. I have some board up experience,
and they brought me on board. I started as a
board up UM. I moved into producing a food show
called The Fork Report with Neil Savedro. We would do
you know, have restaurants come in, bring us some food,
We taste of food, We talked about food and news items.
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There was a lot of fun. I moved on into
producing associate producing for the John and Ken Show on
KFI UM. Then I got my own chance to host
the Gary and Shannon Show. I was the main producer
for that and I was just doing all that stuff
for over the course of like seven years, I believe.
And now I moved on into another role at the station,
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and then the Daily Dive podcast came along, so I
was able to go through there. But it was just
you know, constant different shows, learning a bunch of different stuff,
you know, from board op to producing, hosting. It's I've
just kind of run the whole gamut. I I'm a
fan of the starting at board up and working your
way up, but I think most of us started, uh
in radio. I don't think a lot of people understand.
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You know, I'm a I'm a producer by by trade, um,
but I don't think a lot of people understand, like
what all a producer is responsive before. I know it's
different from every show, but you know, what are some
of the things both glamorous and unglamorous that you have
found yourself doing as as the producer of a of
a radio show. You don't have to be specific if
it's something bad, no, I mean, well, you know, the
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most unglamorous parts I think are when you're hounding down guests.
You know, it's it's tough to always, you know, be
calling somebody over and over and hey, I need somebody,
can you come on? And you know that can get
a little tiresome sometimes. But on the other flip side,
you know, when you really get a great segment together
and the host knocks it out and everybody's really happy,
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and the listeners chime in on social media and they say,
we really enjoyed that. I mean, that really makes it
feel really good. You can't you can't really replace that
feeling because you know, it's touching people and people are
enjoying it and having fun. And that's really what makes
me feel pretty proud about, you know, producing some good segments.
I would say with radio that the highs are very
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high and the lows can be pretty low. It it
can be emotionally straining, especially in this business where, um,
you know, things get changed oftentimes when you have no
say in it. You know, when it comes to hosts
and shows and they're here and they're gone. Um. Have
you found that to be true as well as far
as the emotional taxings of this career, totally? Uh. You know,
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it's not terribly difficult what we do. It's not physically
taxing a lot of times, but it's stressful. It's mentally taxing. Um.
And you know, when you're on live radio, hitting that
clock is really important. You have to make sure a
segment times out. You gotta hit your breaks. So the
commercials can play. You've got to conceptualize a segment in
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your head so that it all times out. And you know,
depending on on the station, sometimes you have you know,
seven eight minutes up to ten minutes for a segment.
You gotta make sure it fits, and you gotta make
sure it lasts the whole the whole segment to you
don't want to run short. Um. So yeah, it's totally
stressful a lot of times. And and like I said,
you know when you're especially when you're trying to track
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down guests that are part of an emotional story, you know,
maybe part of a tragedy, those are really tough to
handle because you want to be sensitive to the guests.
But the same time, you know it's very newsworthy and
you you got to get it for your listeners. Did
you find that you fall into the category of news
junkie or is it something you do at work? Uh? No,
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I have become a news junkie when I first started.
You know, obviously pay attention to the news what's going on,
But once you get into producer mode, you're kind of
always working. Even you know, you go I would go home,
sit down in the couch, pull my phone out and
look at my news apps, and I'd start saving stories
for tomorrow for the next day. Uh, start making notes. Oh,
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this would be a great guest to get. So you
kind of just become the news junkie just because it's
part of your job. So no, I would do it
all all the time, at work, at home, anytime. The
good part about being a news junkie and being your
job is that you can write anything off for taxes.
According to my accountant in New York, he he thinks
any meal, anytime I talk about anything, hey, that's a
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write off, Matt said, talk about this, that's a write off.
That's a rite off. So hey, just keep that in mind.
By wife works in media also, and it's the same
thing like our Hulu and Netflix, and it's like it's
show prep. You know, you're you're of a younger generation
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of of folks working in news. Do you feel that
that there's a passion for paying attention to what's going
on the world? Um, now, as much as it has
been in the past. I'll just give you my two
cents on I teach at a university, so um, I
don't think that the students realize that their news junkies,
but they spend so much time on social media that
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they actually do know a lot about what's going on
in the world. Do you feel that, Um, you know
your generation is as informed or or not. I I
kind of tend to agree with with exactly what you
said about the social media stuff. I mean, it's it's
different now, I feel, Um, you know, we're looking at
our snapchats and our Instagrams and you're getting news items
through there. You know, Snapchat in particular has a whole
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bunch of different you know, their stories that they tell,
but they're all kind of loosely related news items, and
you can even subscribe to a bunch of news items. Um.
So I think people are informed. There's just a different
way they absorb the information. They'll get it through their Facebook.
Um I don't think. Maybe a lot of people don't
necessarily read as much like a classic newspaper, but they
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follow their blogs, they follow their social media. So yeah,
they are informed. It's just a different way of taking
in the information. Uh So, Yeah, I just feel but
I think also, uh, you know, with this latest election,
people went into overdrive. They wanted to know what happened,
what's going on now? They're going into overdrive trying to
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find more stories, trying to find out what's going on,
keeping in touch with what's happening every day. That's all.
We have so many crazy political stories happening constantly because
everybody just wants to know more and more about it. Well,
I I tell people this all the time. Donald Trump
is the best thing to have happened to an uneducated
electorate where um, people who were before Trump, an uneducated
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electorate who didn't pay attention to what's going on in government,
does not not paying attention to what bills are passed
or who's secretary of whatever they do. Now this is
he This, his little reality show has helped create a
world where um, people are more interested in do you agree?
I totally agree? Um, you know it, whether you agree
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with his politics or not. When the election happened, you know,
we all remember those pictures that were widely circulated where
people just look dumbfounded there like how could Hillary lose?
And how could Donald Trump win? I think that really
caused a stern a lot of people where they said, well,
now I really need to look into what the process is,
how does this all work? Because I didn't know what
was going on before, and a lot of people I
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have friends that say, oh, I don't vote, I don't care.
It doesn't make you know, it doesn't help, it doesn't
impact anything. But people started realizing you have to pay attention,
you have to be part of the process so that
you know you can get what you want, so you
can be represented the way you feel he should be represented.
So I totally agree. I think it he has been
great for business, um, and and for people just getting involved,
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learning more about the process, knowing what's going on with
your country. Yeah, but the flip side, it has caused
a lot of a lot more divisiveness as far as
the news that we're we're where we get um where
before UM, you might have felt that CNN was more
uh you know, maybe maybe not so liberally slanted, and
now they're totally cast as the anti Trump network. Uh.
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Fox has always been that way, so they're not surprising anybody.
But we see so much more what what people were
saying are partisan news, and I think that's where we
can steer this into what you're trying to do with
the Daily Dive, which is trying to take that out
of there a little bit. Yeah, you know, in the
time that I've been in radio, there was a time
where it was very left right, national type news. You know,
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we had the big people like Rush Limbaugh and things
like that, and then it kind of changed. In my opinion,
I think it changed a little. It where it was
trying to be a little more straight, a little more center.
Let's just give you the facts. You can determine things
on your own. But with this latest election, it kind
of seemed to go back a little bit. Everybody's in
their own corners again and fighting tooth and nail to
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you know, be proven right or to say, hey, my guys,
is the right guy? Um so? I yeah, I think
it's definitely been in that end. With the podcast, you know,
I I try to evaluate issues on both sides all
the time. You know, everybody has a valid opinion. Let's
explore those things. Let's talk about this side, let's talk
about that side, and the listener can make their own conclusions.
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I'm not here to tell you what to think, but
I'm gonna here, gonna I'm gonna give you some I'm
gonna give you some information and then, like I said,
you make the determination. So do you find that that's
hard to not have ah, somebody interpret something as a
spin when you report a story. Oh totally. I mean
we can even with other shows that I've done, Uh
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what I would talk to the host after and we'd say,
you know, we'd a really good right there, we kind
of right in the middle, and then we'll get social
media feedback that says, hey, you'r way this way or
your way on the right, and we look at each
other and say, is that really what happened? You know,
we don't really understand how some people hear different things,
but a lot of times people hear what they want
to hear. So yeah, it is kind of difficult to
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stay right in the middle. And but like I said,
that's the effort. I'm gonna give you the information and
let's have you determine what what should think after that.
What have you learned? Um, the podcast has been out
for a few weeks now, what what have you learned
so far in your podcasting journey? Mm hmm. It's an
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interesting question. Uh, it's a lot tougher than I thought that.
The daily thing, Uh really comes up on you fast.
You know. When we had our let's say our regular
shows that I would produce before, you know, we'd always
have the our clock. We knew what time we were
going on. With the podcast, it's a little more free
wheelings of Sometimes we'll try to book guests, will be
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waiting on, you know, somebody to bite, and then we'll
have to rush into the studio and and and do
something really quick. So I think just kind of how
quick time goes by really Uh, I'm kind of learning that,
you know, it goes by in a flash. Yeah. I
think that when you do a daily podcast, there's there's
a lot of things that people don't realize they go
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into it when they listen to um, you know shows
like The Daily from the New York Times. You know
that they've got a whole host of people working on them.
You've got a pretty soma staff. Um, you know what
what is you know, what is one thing that that
happens daily that that the listener would have no idea
went into a segment? Well, like I said, you just
alluded to. Uh, you know other podcasts that have this
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big infrastructure like The Daily, you know they have the
the New York Times behind them. Uh, they're always you know,
working on stories. So when a story is gonna break,
they say, hey, I got this big scoop. Let's do
this for the podcast, you know it have a super
small staff on this side, so we're we have to
wait for a story to develop. Then we'll chase down
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those leads, get the right the right person to talk
to somebody who's been working that story, and then we'll
go ahead and we'll do the the interview, will uh
will dissect the case. We'll we'll dissect the the the issue.
So I think that's kind of where where we're at.
You know, we're a small staff. It's we're always waiting
to see what's developing and then going that way. Do
you have a favorite episode that you've done so far?
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We just did when that went up yesterday or today
for the Lorely Anything. I just I thought it was hilarious.
It was the version of the dress. And I just
love those things that everybody can really relate to so easily.
You know, you hear it and instantly you have an
opinion about it. So I always love those, and we
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the angle that we took was let's find out who
started who started the you know, who found the audio,
who act who actually recorded the audio, and then uh,
you know, what does it all mean? And just briefly.
You know, it was a high school freshman who was
studying for one of her exams, went onto vocabulary dot
Com and click the link for Laurel to hear what
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it sounded like, just so she can study her note cards.
And then we go back and find out that vocabulary
dot Com ten years ago hired an opera singer to
read like thirty thousand words for their website. So it's
an opera singer who voiced it. And then beyond that,
you know what it does, what your brain does to it,
how you hear it, and and and then everybody else,
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you know, like I said, just has a quick opinion
about it. You hear this or you hear that, and
it's you're on both sides of it. So I just
love those things. And and it was one of my
favorite episodes that we just did recently. Oh, I'm so excited.
I'm so glad you explained it too, because I didn't
get to hear it yet. So are you are you
a Yanni or Laurel guy? So here's what happened. I
listened to it the first time and clearest can be,
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it was Yanni, And to play it from my wife
and I'm it was completely Laurel, and it's been Laurel
ever since. So um, it's really odd. I mean, it
completely switched on me, and now I can't hear Yanny
at all. So yeah, I was Yanni person from the beginning. Um.
For the podcast, what we did was we changed the
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pitch higher and lower, and then you at one point
you can hear the crossover, but even beyond that. Later,
when we were editing the podcast, in my headphones, I
heard Laurel and I said, what, I never heard Laurel before.
I ripped my headphones off and turned the speakers on
my computer up, and it went back to Yanny. So
it's it's all over the place. It depends what speakers
you're using, headphones, It's a lot of different factors. But
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the definitive answer is that it's Laurel because it's came
from vocabulary dot com read by an opera singer ten
years ago. I think that one thing I loved about
the whole thing is that I love it when people
get nerdy about audio because in our business, we do,
you know, we know what to look. We look at
wave forms. Were you know, I'm looking at one right now,
was and recording this, uh, and it's fun to see
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other people get in and get into that, and I
think it's it also speaks to the to the importance
of of audio and humans lives, and it's one of
the things that we get to do with podcasters is
really touch that emotion that only audio can touch. I agree,
and you know, just briefly touching still on this Yanni
Laurel thing, I was trying to do some researchers what's
going on, what's going on? Um, trying to find out
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some explainer videos and this one guy had totally had me.
He says, you gotta divide the audio into stereo. And
he's like, see you have the two channels here and
you see the two different wave forms, and he's like,
and then you press this button and then he played
the rick Roll song and I'm like, oh my god,
I can't believe I just felt for this whole thing.
But but You's like, I'm trying to find out what
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the secret is, UM. But yeah, you know, and beyond
that with this whole podcast a phenomenon that's going huge
now everybody is trying to do podcast it is you know,
you want to you want to take in information you
want to take in stories on your own time. There's
a lot of compelling storytelling with um, you know, classics
like Sereal and I say classics even though it's only
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a few years old, right, um, but just really compelling
storytelling that you can take in on your own time.
And and you know, I tried to take into some
good podcasts as as often as I can, just because
I love long form storytelling. And uh. I obviously we
do something daily here because it's we're more news focused,
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but I'll always take the time to go back and
listen to somebody something that somebody put together over the
course of weeks. Uh, you know, an episode of a
week or something like that, just because you connect with
the stories a lot more. Well, that's a great transition
into our final segment. It's called three killer questions. Are
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you ready? I'm ready? All right, oscar. If there was
a podcast featuring any person living or dead, who would
you want to listen to? Oh? Wow, podcast with anybody
living or dead, and they could be you can combine
them too. Oh man, that is that is such a
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hard question. Um. I should probably send this out ahead
of time, but I don't feel like you get a
true A response. That's that's a that's a really tough one.
Who up in your head? Yeah, let's see. I don't know.
I automatically jump into music just because I'm a such
a huge music fan and I I just think of
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some of the people that I've really been into lately.
You know. I love John Legend, kind of that R
and b uh and soulful sound. I love. He's a
Canadian DJ k Tronada. I don't know Anderson Pack. I
just feel like I would really like I'm really into
their stuff. I just really feel like i'd want to
have them explain their whole process. I don't know, I
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just I would go that music angle. I don't know why.
All right, What was the first piece of technology that
you used it changed your life that you said, hey,
this is this is it, this is this is going
to change things that I thought change stuff. I mean,
going back to a childhood, my first Nintendo. There you go.
I really I was such a video game nerd, video
game kid growing up. I think I would cry and
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beg for my parents to buy me the latest consoles
as they came out, and I still game occasionally to
this date. But I that really got me into the
technology front. I just you know, the seeing the little
avatars move on the screen and me controlling them with
a controller. That that I loved that stuff. What was
the last podcast that you binged? Last possible podcast today
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binged m It was I was listening to with my wife.
So is some my favorite murder stuff. And I love
all the true crime stuff. A lot of the Golden
State killer stuff just came out recently in the news. Uh,
so I had to kind of see what their take was.
It was a lot of that stuff. Uh. And this
is a bonus question that I only asked special guests,
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But if you were sandwich personified, what kind of sandwich
would you be? Not your favorite sandwich, but if you
were a sandwich you know this goes back from my
childhood too. It would be just the ham and cheese
we do, you know, simple slice kind of Deli ham,
some kessel fresco. Uh, maybe a little bit of sour
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cream and in one of those uh buns that you
would find like in any Mexican supermarket, just like in
a hot summer day, you know, some nice lemonade or
some or chata or something like that, and hem and cheese.
Thought that. That's that's me right there. I love that.
So you're you're super Mexican, is what you're saying. Oh,
I'm totally Mexican. You know, I'm first I'm first generation Mexican.
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My my both my parents were born in Mexico. Most
of my family is Mexico. They're all naturalized citizens now. Um.
But yeah, so a lot of the old, you know,
things from our culture they brought along. But you know,
we've been out they've been out here for any many
years now, so we're fully Americanized. But yeah, it was
still the food is something you just never let go of.
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That's great, Oscar Ramirez. Everybody check out Daily Dive podcast
on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to your podcast.
I'm sure we'll be in touch again soon. Oscar. Definitely,
thank you, Maddie. We'll see. That was fun. Yeah, it
was a good anywhere. I like listening to guys. You
guys had a good report. I like talking to people
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who have been producers. Yeah, you guys have a lot
of comment that way. You guys know how your minds work.
Producers are the unsung, not always unsung, but some I
don't think a lot of Yeah, People don't realize how
much of a show is the producer, and Oscar is
a very good producer and he's turned into a very
good host. I really like that podcast, listen to it
every morning. So today I asked you to find us
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three podcasts that we can listen to daily. So if
we're making our Alexa podcast playlist and we wanted to
have three podcasts on it. Of course we'd started the
day off with the Daily Die. Yes, what other podcast
might we want to listen to every day? My first
one is another one kind of in the newsy lane. Yes,
so it's called up First. It's by NPR and they
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not only do politics, but they also do pop culture.
So it's just ten minutes a day if you want
a quick like bite of something first. All right, let's
check it out. Well, as you heard him say, we
now call it spygate. You're calling it spygate. What he
really means is he's calling it spy gate. He's branded
its spygate. He's created a new narrative. Alright. See. I
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then tasked you with finding two new podcasts on I
Heart Radio that we can let our folks know about.
And what did you find this week? So if you
are a fan of Shark Tank, Shark Tank, I love
I have an idea for Shark Tank, you better get
on there. I actually, uh is it? I don't really,
but I do love watching, um folks go on there.
I had an idea when I was a kid for
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and listen. I thought this was a good idea that
you put a radio transmitter in the house and then
when people came by to look at the house that
was for sale, they could turn the radio on and
then here somebody telling them about the house. Actually, not
a bad idea at all. I thought it was a
great especially for being seventh grade. That was um. But
I've already missed the boat on that alright, But a
lot of people love Shark Tank, Yes, and a shark
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is that what they're called? Right? Sharks on Shark Tank
is Barbara Corkgrin and she's one of the only females
on the show, and she's a real heavy hitter, And
she has a podcast on I Heart Radio called Business Unusual,
So it's really talking about her long and very successful
career and how to achieve your goals if you're young entrepreneur, entrepreneur,
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especially if you're in your twenties because that's when she started.
So yeah, it's really good if you're just starting out.
Let's check about. One of the best businesses I have
ever invested in is Grace and Lace, that makes high
fashion women's clothing and sells it online. This is a
business that's phenomenal but born out of a very sad backstory.
She's one of the you know it' you're in New
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York or you're from New York, you know who she is.
She's very very New York. She's great. I'm excited about
that show and I liked it. It's for people in
their twenties because that's when you should be getting into this,
and I feel like a lot of people nowadays, I've
seen a lot of people trying to get into entrepreneurship
at my age twenty three, and it's nice to have
resources like that. To go back to, what's your idea
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for Shark Tank if you have one? Honestly none none.
I watched that show and I would be like, I
feel like if I was a shark, I would just
be like, here, just take my money. I'm so sorry.
I don't want to be mean to you, because it
doesn't really mean and I just feel so bad for
the you and I are complete opposites because I would
be I like it. I would be like, no, that's stupid.
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I would be like, no, it's not. In general people,
more people need to hear you know, that's stupid in
their life than they do. Absolutely, But I just don't
want to hear people come to me with podcast ideas
all the time. No, no, I do. I'm very honest
with most people and say, you're in a way like
sending them up for success, because if you just said
(26:06):
yes to a bad idea, they would fail. And nine
times out of ten, somebody's first idea for a podcast
is way too general and it's and it's it's the
same idea. Yeah, me and my friends are really funny
when we talk and we're just gonna talk about everything, okay, good. Yeah,
and they're not funny, yeah, exactly, and any to each other. Yeah,
and I know you and you're not funny. So don't
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you know he's not talking to me, you guys, he's
talking to somebody else. Yeah, I'm talking to it. No,
not you, you're you're you're hilarious. All right? What else
we got? The last one is it's called Wine Down
with Janna Kramer. People love her. This is my best
friend and I's girl crushed for a really long time
now for at least two three years. Tell people who
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she is if they don't know who she is. I
first saw her in a like a commercial for car
insurance or something. We were like, oh my gosh, she's
so cute. But then we found out she's a country
singer and she is amazing, and in we found this
podcast and it's really it's like talking to a friend
at the end of the day. So she talks about
her career, about the divorce she went through, about being
(27:09):
a mom, and just a lot of other stuff that
if you like, have a glass of wine, get it
wind down with your girlfriends. It's a nice one to
listen to. Now, let me tell you something about that.
The second episode, she had to address something because when
the podcast came out, there was somebody else that had
a name that was kind of similar to it but
not really the same, and they went on this whole
(27:30):
social media campaign against her and and poor She's like,
I don't know who you are, I don't know why
you hate me. I'm just doing a podcast, um, and
I love the way she handled it in episode two,
so if you get a chance to check out her show,
I would Episode two is my favorite one so far.
She's very well spoken. Yeah, for those of you that
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didn't go on my Instagram or catch any the drama,
I was so excited obviously, I'm like, yeah, my podcast
wine downs out like hoo, and all of a sudden
I rein comments like you stole, You're a thief, and
I'm like what good chop? See. Thanks for listening. Access
Podcast is produced by Ze. Thank you Zee, Thank you
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Welcome back to Access Podcast, the podcast about podcast. I'm
Maddie Stout and producer Z. What's up, Mattie. This is
our last episode for the second season. Wow, a little
a little early on, but we've got a great episode
lined up for you. There's a new podcast on iHeart
Radio called The Daily Dive and the host is Oscar Ramirez.
(00:29):
We're gonna hear from him in a second, but let's
check out a little bit of The Daily Dive right now.
When is the right time to move out of your
parents house? The thirty ye old Michael Rotondo, The time
had come and went, so much so that his parents
took legal action to evict him from their house. His
parents sent him a number of eviction notices and finally
took him to court, but Michael was still fighting to stay.
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Oscar Amirez, friend, good to have you on the show.
Thanks for having me, Maddie. I'm pretty excited about about
the new podcast, The Daily Dive, And I'm really excited
for you, Oscar, because you're somebody who has worked a
lot as a producer and this is this is the
first show where you're the star. How do you feel
about that? I'm pretty excited you're right. I mean, I've
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been producing for such a long time, and I had, like,
I had a podcast way back in the day, you
know when we all start out and we have you know,
our little pet projects. I had one with a buddy
of mine, Mondo Hernandez, and you know, it was just
about music. It was about a couple of other random stuff,
news news items. But yeah, this is the first thing
that I've kind of been able to call my own now,
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so I'm very excited. Well, I'm a I'm a fan
of a good radio story because I never have met
anybody who has like a boring radio story of how
they got into radio. So don't don't don't be the first. Um,
how did you end up in this wacky career. Well,
like I said, I I had my friend Mondo, who
I was working with at another station. We were doing
(01:55):
live and local show. I was just, you know, kind
of an intern. I would work on some web stuff,
but we're doing a live in local show with the host.
We were in l a. But we were doing our
show for Denver, Colorado, and we did that for a
few years. We doubled up. We had another show that
was for El Paso, Texas, but it was the same thing.
It was this live and local thing that we were
trying to accomplish, and out of live in local in
(02:20):
El Paso, based out of l A. That was the
deal that our host had and and then two thou
eight hit and everything crashed. So I got laid off
for a little bit. And then I was I kept
emailing people here at KFI, which where I where I
started the rest of my radio career, and I said, hey,
(02:40):
I'm available, let me help. I have some board up experience,
and they brought me on board. I started as a
board up UM. I moved into producing a food show
called The Fork Report with Neil Savedro. We would do
you know, have restaurants come in, bring us some food,
We taste of food, We talked about food and news items.
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There was a lot of fun. I moved on into
producing associate producing for the John and Ken Show on
KFI UM. Then I got my own chance to host
the Gary and Shannon Show. I was the main producer
for that and I was just doing all that stuff
for over the course of like seven years, I believe.
And now I moved on into another role at the station,
(03:21):
and then the Daily Dive podcast came along, so I
was able to go through there. But it was just
you know, constant different shows, learning a bunch of different stuff,
you know, from board op to producing, hosting. It's I've
just kind of run the whole gamut. I I'm a
fan of the starting at board up and working your
way up, but I think most of us started, uh
in radio. I don't think a lot of people understand.
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You know, I'm a I'm a producer by by trade, um,
but I don't think a lot of people understand, like
what all a producer is responsive before. I know it's
different from every show, but you know, what are some
of the things both glamorous and unglamorous that you have
found yourself doing as as the producer of a of
a radio show. You don't have to be specific if
it's something bad, no, I mean, well, you know, the
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most unglamorous parts I think are when you're hounding down guests.
You know, it's it's tough to always, you know, be
calling somebody over and over and hey, I need somebody,
can you come on? And you know that can get
a little tiresome sometimes. But on the other flip side,
you know, when you really get a great segment together
and the host knocks it out and everybody's really happy,
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and the listeners chime in on social media and they say,
we really enjoyed that. I mean, that really makes it
feel really good. You can't you can't really replace that
feeling because you know, it's touching people and people are
enjoying it and having fun. And that's really what makes
me feel pretty proud about, you know, producing some good segments.
I would say with radio that the highs are very
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high and the lows can be pretty low. It it
can be emotionally straining, especially in this business where, um,
you know, things get changed oftentimes when you have no
say in it. You know, when it comes to hosts
and shows and they're here and they're gone. Um. Have
you found that to be true as well as far
as the emotional taxings of this career, totally? Uh. You know,
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it's not terribly difficult what we do. It's not physically
taxing a lot of times, but it's stressful. It's mentally taxing. Um.
And you know, when you're on live radio, hitting that
clock is really important. You have to make sure a
segment times out. You gotta hit your breaks. So the
commercials can play. You've got to conceptualize a segment in
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your head so that it all times out. And you know,
depending on on the station, sometimes you have you know,
seven eight minutes up to ten minutes for a segment.
You gotta make sure it fits, and you gotta make
sure it lasts the whole the whole segment to you
don't want to run short. Um. So yeah, it's totally
stressful a lot of times. And and like I said,
you know when you're especially when you're trying to track
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down guests that are part of an emotional story, you know,
maybe part of a tragedy, those are really tough to
handle because you want to be sensitive to the guests.
But the same time, you know it's very newsworthy and
you you got to get it for your listeners. Did
you find that you fall into the category of news
junkie or is it something you do at work? Uh? No,
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I have become a news junkie when I first started.
You know, obviously pay attention to the news what's going on,
But once you get into producer mode, you're kind of
always working. Even you know, you go I would go home,
sit down in the couch, pull my phone out and
look at my news apps, and I'd start saving stories
for tomorrow for the next day. Uh, start making notes. Oh,
(06:32):
this would be a great guest to get. So you
kind of just become the news junkie just because it's
part of your job. So no, I would do it
all all the time, at work, at home, anytime. The
good part about being a news junkie and being your
job is that you can write anything off for taxes.
According to my accountant in New York, he he thinks
any meal, anytime I talk about anything, hey, that's a
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write off, Matt said, talk about this, that's a write off.
That's a rite off. So hey, just keep that in mind.
By wife works in media also, and it's the same
thing like our Hulu and Netflix, and it's like it's
show prep. You know, you're you're of a younger generation
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of of folks working in news. Do you feel that
that there's a passion for paying attention to what's going
on the world? Um, now, as much as it has
been in the past. I'll just give you my two
cents on I teach at a university, so um, I
don't think that the students realize that their news junkies,
but they spend so much time on social media that
(07:34):
they actually do know a lot about what's going on
in the world. Do you feel that, Um, you know
your generation is as informed or or not. I I
kind of tend to agree with with exactly what you
said about the social media stuff. I mean, it's it's
different now, I feel, Um, you know, we're looking at
our snapchats and our Instagrams and you're getting news items
through there. You know, Snapchat in particular has a whole
(07:55):
bunch of different you know, their stories that they tell,
but they're all kind of loosely related news items, and
you can even subscribe to a bunch of news items. Um.
So I think people are informed. There's just a different
way they absorb the information. They'll get it through their Facebook.
Um I don't think. Maybe a lot of people don't
necessarily read as much like a classic newspaper, but they
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follow their blogs, they follow their social media. So yeah,
they are informed. It's just a different way of taking
in the information. Uh So, Yeah, I just feel but
I think also, uh, you know, with this latest election,
people went into overdrive. They wanted to know what happened,
what's going on now? They're going into overdrive trying to
(08:37):
find more stories, trying to find out what's going on,
keeping in touch with what's happening every day. That's all.
We have so many crazy political stories happening constantly because
everybody just wants to know more and more about it. Well,
I I tell people this all the time. Donald Trump
is the best thing to have happened to an uneducated
electorate where um, people who were before Trump, an uneducated
(09:02):
electorate who didn't pay attention to what's going on in government,
does not not paying attention to what bills are passed
or who's secretary of whatever they do. Now this is
he This, his little reality show has helped create a
world where um, people are more interested in do you agree?
I totally agree? Um, you know it, whether you agree
(09:22):
with his politics or not. When the election happened, you know,
we all remember those pictures that were widely circulated where
people just look dumbfounded there like how could Hillary lose?
And how could Donald Trump win? I think that really
caused a stern a lot of people where they said, well,
now I really need to look into what the process is,
how does this all work? Because I didn't know what
was going on before, and a lot of people I
(09:43):
have friends that say, oh, I don't vote, I don't care.
It doesn't make you know, it doesn't help, it doesn't
impact anything. But people started realizing you have to pay attention,
you have to be part of the process so that
you know you can get what you want, so you
can be represented the way you feel he should be represented.
So I totally agree. I think it he has been
great for business, um, and and for people just getting involved,
(10:07):
learning more about the process, knowing what's going on with
your country. Yeah, but the flip side, it has caused
a lot of a lot more divisiveness as far as
the news that we're we're where we get um where
before UM, you might have felt that CNN was more
uh you know, maybe maybe not so liberally slanted, and
now they're totally cast as the anti Trump network. Uh.
(10:30):
Fox has always been that way, so they're not surprising anybody.
But we see so much more what what people were
saying are partisan news, and I think that's where we
can steer this into what you're trying to do with
the Daily Dive, which is trying to take that out
of there a little bit. Yeah, you know, in the
time that I've been in radio, there was a time
where it was very left right, national type news. You know,
(10:54):
we had the big people like Rush Limbaugh and things
like that, and then it kind of changed. In my opinion,
I think it changed a little. It where it was
trying to be a little more straight, a little more center.
Let's just give you the facts. You can determine things
on your own. But with this latest election, it kind
of seemed to go back a little bit. Everybody's in
their own corners again and fighting tooth and nail to
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you know, be proven right or to say, hey, my guys,
is the right guy? Um so? I yeah, I think
it's definitely been in that end. With the podcast, you know,
I I try to evaluate issues on both sides all
the time. You know, everybody has a valid opinion. Let's
explore those things. Let's talk about this side, let's talk
about that side, and the listener can make their own conclusions.
(11:34):
I'm not here to tell you what to think, but
I'm gonna here, gonna I'm gonna give you some I'm
gonna give you some information and then, like I said,
you make the determination. So do you find that that's
hard to not have ah, somebody interpret something as a
spin when you report a story. Oh totally. I mean
we can even with other shows that I've done, Uh
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what I would talk to the host after and we'd say,
you know, we'd a really good right there, we kind
of right in the middle, and then we'll get social
media feedback that says, hey, you'r way this way or
your way on the right, and we look at each
other and say, is that really what happened? You know,
we don't really understand how some people hear different things,
but a lot of times people hear what they want
to hear. So yeah, it is kind of difficult to
(12:17):
stay right in the middle. And but like I said,
that's the effort. I'm gonna give you the information and
let's have you determine what what should think after that.
What have you learned? Um, the podcast has been out
for a few weeks now, what what have you learned
so far in your podcasting journey? Mm hmm. It's an
(12:39):
interesting question. Uh, it's a lot tougher than I thought that.
The daily thing, Uh really comes up on you fast.
You know. When we had our let's say our regular
shows that I would produce before, you know, we'd always
have the our clock. We knew what time we were
going on. With the podcast, it's a little more free
wheelings of Sometimes we'll try to book guests, will be
(13:01):
waiting on, you know, somebody to bite, and then we'll
have to rush into the studio and and and do
something really quick. So I think just kind of how
quick time goes by really Uh, I'm kind of learning that,
you know, it goes by in a flash. Yeah. I
think that when you do a daily podcast, there's there's
a lot of things that people don't realize they go
(13:23):
into it when they listen to um, you know shows
like The Daily from the New York Times. You know
that they've got a whole host of people working on them.
You've got a pretty soma staff. Um, you know what
what is you know, what is one thing that that
happens daily that that the listener would have no idea
went into a segment? Well, like I said, you just
alluded to. Uh, you know other podcasts that have this
(13:45):
big infrastructure like The Daily, you know they have the
the New York Times behind them. Uh, they're always you know,
working on stories. So when a story is gonna break,
they say, hey, I got this big scoop. Let's do
this for the podcast, you know it have a super
small staff on this side, so we're we have to
wait for a story to develop. Then we'll chase down
(14:06):
those leads, get the right the right person to talk
to somebody who's been working that story, and then we'll
go ahead and we'll do the the interview, will uh
will dissect the case. We'll we'll dissect the the the issue.
So I think that's kind of where where we're at.
You know, we're a small staff. It's we're always waiting
to see what's developing and then going that way. Do
you have a favorite episode that you've done so far?
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We just did when that went up yesterday or today
for the Lorely Anything. I just I thought it was hilarious.
It was the version of the dress. And I just
love those things that everybody can really relate to so easily.
You know, you hear it and instantly you have an
opinion about it. So I always love those, and we
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the angle that we took was let's find out who
started who started the you know, who found the audio,
who act who actually recorded the audio, and then uh,
you know, what does it all mean? And just briefly.
You know, it was a high school freshman who was
studying for one of her exams, went onto vocabulary dot
Com and click the link for Laurel to hear what
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it sounded like, just so she can study her note cards.
And then we go back and find out that vocabulary
dot Com ten years ago hired an opera singer to
read like thirty thousand words for their website. So it's
an opera singer who voiced it. And then beyond that,
you know what it does, what your brain does to it,
how you hear it, and and and then everybody else,
(15:35):
you know, like I said, just has a quick opinion
about it. You hear this or you hear that, and
it's you're on both sides of it. So I just
love those things. And and it was one of my
favorite episodes that we just did recently. Oh, I'm so excited.
I'm so glad you explained it too, because I didn't
get to hear it yet. So are you are you
a Yanni or Laurel guy? So here's what happened. I
listened to it the first time and clearest can be,
(15:56):
it was Yanni, And to play it from my wife
and I'm it was completely Laurel, and it's been Laurel
ever since. So um, it's really odd. I mean, it
completely switched on me, and now I can't hear Yanny
at all. So yeah, I was Yanni person from the beginning. Um.
For the podcast, what we did was we changed the
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pitch higher and lower, and then you at one point
you can hear the crossover, but even beyond that. Later,
when we were editing the podcast, in my headphones, I
heard Laurel and I said, what, I never heard Laurel before.
I ripped my headphones off and turned the speakers on
my computer up, and it went back to Yanny. So
it's it's all over the place. It depends what speakers
you're using, headphones, It's a lot of different factors. But
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the definitive answer is that it's Laurel because it's came
from vocabulary dot com read by an opera singer ten
years ago. I think that one thing I loved about
the whole thing is that I love it when people
get nerdy about audio because in our business, we do,
you know, we know what to look. We look at
wave forms. Were you know, I'm looking at one right now,
was and recording this, uh, and it's fun to see
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other people get in and get into that, and I
think it's it also speaks to the to the importance
of of audio and humans lives, and it's one of
the things that we get to do with podcasters is
really touch that emotion that only audio can touch. I agree,
and you know, just briefly touching still on this Yanni
Laurel thing, I was trying to do some researchers what's
going on, what's going on? Um, trying to find out
(17:24):
some explainer videos and this one guy had totally had me.
He says, you gotta divide the audio into stereo. And
he's like, see you have the two channels here and
you see the two different wave forms, and he's like,
and then you press this button and then he played
the rick Roll song and I'm like, oh my god,
I can't believe I just felt for this whole thing.
But but You's like, I'm trying to find out what
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the secret is, UM. But yeah, you know, and beyond
that with this whole podcast a phenomenon that's going huge
now everybody is trying to do podcast it is you know,
you want to you want to take in information you
want to take in stories on your own time. There's
a lot of compelling storytelling with um, you know, classics
like Sereal and I say classics even though it's only
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a few years old, right, um, but just really compelling
storytelling that you can take in on your own time.
And and you know, I tried to take into some
good podcasts as as often as I can, just because
I love long form storytelling. And uh. I obviously we
do something daily here because it's we're more news focused,
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but I'll always take the time to go back and
listen to somebody something that somebody put together over the
course of weeks. Uh, you know, an episode of a
week or something like that, just because you connect with
the stories a lot more. Well, that's a great transition
into our final segment. It's called three killer questions. Are
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you ready? I'm ready? All right, oscar. If there was
a podcast featuring any person living or dead, who would
you want to listen to? Oh? Wow, podcast with anybody
living or dead, and they could be you can combine
them too. Oh man, that is that is such a
(19:10):
hard question. Um. I should probably send this out ahead
of time, but I don't feel like you get a
true A response. That's that's a that's a really tough one.
Who up in your head? Yeah, let's see. I don't know.
I automatically jump into music just because I'm a such
a huge music fan and I I just think of
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some of the people that I've really been into lately.
You know. I love John Legend, kind of that R
and b uh and soulful sound. I love. He's a
Canadian DJ k Tronada. I don't know Anderson Pack. I
just feel like I would really like I'm really into
their stuff. I just really feel like i'd want to
have them explain their whole process. I don't know, I
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just I would go that music angle. I don't know why.
All right, What was the first piece of technology that
you used it changed your life that you said, hey,
this is this is it, this is this is going
to change things that I thought change stuff. I mean,
going back to a childhood, my first Nintendo. There you go.
I really I was such a video game nerd, video
game kid growing up. I think I would cry and
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beg for my parents to buy me the latest consoles
as they came out, and I still game occasionally to
this date. But I that really got me into the
technology front. I just you know, the seeing the little
avatars move on the screen and me controlling them with
a controller. That that I loved that stuff. What was
the last podcast that you binged? Last possible podcast today
(20:38):
binged m It was I was listening to with my wife.
So is some my favorite murder stuff. And I love
all the true crime stuff. A lot of the Golden
State killer stuff just came out recently in the news. Uh,
so I had to kind of see what their take was.
It was a lot of that stuff. Uh. And this
is a bonus question that I only asked special guests,
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But if you were sandwich personified, what kind of sandwich
would you be? Not your favorite sandwich, but if you
were a sandwich you know this goes back from my
childhood too. It would be just the ham and cheese
we do, you know, simple slice kind of Deli ham,
some kessel fresco. Uh, maybe a little bit of sour
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cream and in one of those uh buns that you
would find like in any Mexican supermarket, just like in
a hot summer day, you know, some nice lemonade or
some or chata or something like that, and hem and cheese.
Thought that. That's that's me right there. I love that.
So you're you're super Mexican, is what you're saying. Oh,
I'm totally Mexican. You know, I'm first I'm first generation Mexican.
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My my both my parents were born in Mexico. Most
of my family is Mexico. They're all naturalized citizens now. Um.
But yeah, so a lot of the old, you know,
things from our culture they brought along. But you know,
we've been out they've been out here for any many
years now, so we're fully Americanized. But yeah, it was
still the food is something you just never let go of.
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That's great, Oscar Ramirez. Everybody check out Daily Dive podcast
on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to your podcast.
I'm sure we'll be in touch again soon. Oscar. Definitely,
thank you, Maddie. We'll see. That was fun. Yeah, it
was a good anywhere. I like listening to guys. You
guys had a good report. I like talking to people
(22:27):
who have been producers. Yeah, you guys have a lot
of comment that way. You guys know how your minds work.
Producers are the unsung, not always unsung, but some I
don't think a lot of Yeah, People don't realize how
much of a show is the producer, and Oscar is
a very good producer and he's turned into a very
good host. I really like that podcast, listen to it
every morning. So today I asked you to find us
(22:48):
three podcasts that we can listen to daily. So if
we're making our Alexa podcast playlist and we wanted to
have three podcasts on it. Of course we'd started the
day off with the Daily Die. Yes, what other podcast
might we want to listen to every day? My first
one is another one kind of in the newsy lane. Yes,
so it's called up First. It's by NPR and they
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not only do politics, but they also do pop culture.
So it's just ten minutes a day if you want
a quick like bite of something first. All right, let's
check it out. Well, as you heard him say, we
now call it spygate. You're calling it spygate. What he
really means is he's calling it spy gate. He's branded
its spygate. He's created a new narrative. Alright. See. I
(23:32):
then tasked you with finding two new podcasts on I
Heart Radio that we can let our folks know about.
And what did you find this week? So if you
are a fan of Shark Tank, Shark Tank, I love
I have an idea for Shark Tank, you better get
on there. I actually, uh is it? I don't really,
but I do love watching, um folks go on there.
I had an idea when I was a kid for
(23:54):
and listen. I thought this was a good idea that
you put a radio transmitter in the house and then
when people came by to look at the house that
was for sale, they could turn the radio on and
then here somebody telling them about the house. Actually, not
a bad idea at all. I thought it was a
great especially for being seventh grade. That was um. But
I've already missed the boat on that alright, But a
lot of people love Shark Tank, Yes, and a shark
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is that what they're called? Right? Sharks on Shark Tank
is Barbara Corkgrin and she's one of the only females
on the show, and she's a real heavy hitter, And
she has a podcast on I Heart Radio called Business Unusual,
So it's really talking about her long and very successful
career and how to achieve your goals if you're young entrepreneur, entrepreneur,
(24:38):
especially if you're in your twenties because that's when she started.
So yeah, it's really good if you're just starting out.
Let's check about. One of the best businesses I have
ever invested in is Grace and Lace, that makes high
fashion women's clothing and sells it online. This is a
business that's phenomenal but born out of a very sad backstory.
She's one of the you know it' you're in New
(25:00):
York or you're from New York, you know who she is.
She's very very New York. She's great. I'm excited about
that show and I liked it. It's for people in
their twenties because that's when you should be getting into this,
and I feel like a lot of people nowadays, I've
seen a lot of people trying to get into entrepreneurship
at my age twenty three, and it's nice to have
resources like that. To go back to, what's your idea
(25:22):
for Shark Tank if you have one? Honestly none none.
I watched that show and I would be like, I
feel like if I was a shark, I would just
be like, here, just take my money. I'm so sorry.
I don't want to be mean to you, because it
doesn't really mean and I just feel so bad for
the you and I are complete opposites because I would
be I like it. I would be like, no, that's stupid.
(25:44):
I would be like, no, it's not. In general people,
more people need to hear you know, that's stupid in
their life than they do. Absolutely, But I just don't
want to hear people come to me with podcast ideas
all the time. No, no, I do. I'm very honest
with most people and say, you're in a way like
sending them up for success, because if you just said
(26:06):
yes to a bad idea, they would fail. And nine
times out of ten, somebody's first idea for a podcast
is way too general and it's and it's it's the
same idea. Yeah, me and my friends are really funny
when we talk and we're just gonna talk about everything, okay, good. Yeah,
and they're not funny, yeah, exactly, and any to each other. Yeah,
and I know you and you're not funny. So don't
(26:27):
you know he's not talking to me, you guys, he's
talking to somebody else. Yeah, I'm talking to it. No,
not you, you're you're you're hilarious. All right? What else
we got? The last one is it's called Wine Down
with Janna Kramer. People love her. This is my best
friend and I's girl crushed for a really long time
now for at least two three years. Tell people who
(26:48):
she is if they don't know who she is. I
first saw her in a like a commercial for car
insurance or something. We were like, oh my gosh, she's
so cute. But then we found out she's a country
singer and she is amazing, and in we found this
podcast and it's really it's like talking to a friend
at the end of the day. So she talks about
her career, about the divorce she went through, about being
(27:09):
a mom, and just a lot of other stuff that
if you like, have a glass of wine, get it
wind down with your girlfriends. It's a nice one to
listen to. Now, let me tell you something about that.
The second episode, she had to address something because when
the podcast came out, there was somebody else that had
a name that was kind of similar to it but
not really the same, and they went on this whole
(27:30):
social media campaign against her and and poor She's like,
I don't know who you are, I don't know why
you hate me. I'm just doing a podcast, um, and
I love the way she handled it in episode two,
so if you get a chance to check out her show,
I would Episode two is my favorite one so far.
She's very well spoken. Yeah, for those of you that
(27:51):
didn't go on my Instagram or catch any the drama,
I was so excited obviously, I'm like, yeah, my podcast
wine downs out like hoo, and all of a sudden
I rein comments like you stole, You're a thief, and
I'm like what good chop? See. Thanks for listening. Access
Podcast is produced by Ze. Thank you Zee, Thank you
(28:14):
Casey Franco for the music, Don't run Book for the artwork, everybody,
Ricardo a r who helps out with the show in
the promotion, Thank you so much. Thanks to Don Parker
and Katie Wilcox here in San Francisco and I heart Radio.
Chris Peterson is the godfather podcasting. My name is Mattie Stout.
Follow us on Twitter at Access podcast one or on
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