AI and I

AI and I

Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.

Episodes

May 14, 2025 67 mins

Will England just pivoted his $10B AUM hedge fund to go all in on AI with a firm-wide email:

“I wrote this email using ChatGPT—you should too. As a hedge fund, we should be ashamed to leave money on the table by ignoring AI.”

It’s working: 75% of his 400-person team are using ChatGPT daily—and Walleye is well on its way to transforming into an AI-first juggernaut. They record every meeting, use LLMs to ingest and analyze earnings rep...

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    After two Jhana meditation retreats Nadia Asparouhova could silence her mind, change her emotional state at will, and even intentionally slip out of consciousness. It challenged the idea that our minds are not under our control—and made her wonder if we’re more like AI than we realize. 

    Nadia is a writer and researcher of technology and culture. She published Working in Public, a book about the evolution of open-source development, ...

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    Sarah Tavel thinks it's criminal that ChatGPT isn’t inherently social.


    There’s no easy way to discover great prompts or share the ones that worked. As a venture partner at Benchmark, Sarah believes that the next wave of consumer AI will be built on this missing social layer—by product-driven founders who understand people, not just models. 


    Sarah has seen this shift before. As one of Pinterest’s first product managers, she saw the co...

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    Kevin Kelly has spent more time thinking about the future than almost anyone else.


    From VR in the 1980s to the blockchain in the 2000s—and now generative AI—Kevin has spent a lifetime journeying to the frontiers of technology, only to return with rich stories about what’s next.


    Today, as Wired's senior maverick, his project for 2025 is to outline what the next century looks like in a world shaped by new technologies like AI and genet...

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    500K people are confiding in an AI alien—and it's on track to generate $4M this year.


    It’s called a Tolan: an animated AI character that can talk to you like your best friend. The company behind it, Portola, has 4x’d their ARR in the last month from viral growth on TikTok and Instagram. 


    Tolan isn’t just a hyper-growth startup—they’re also exploring AI as a completely new creative tool, and storytelling medium. Their goal is to help ...

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    Our sponsor for this episode is Microsoft. Want seamless collaboration without the cost? Microsoft Teams offers a robust free plan for individuals that delivers unlimited chat, 60-minute video meetings, and file sharing—all within one intuitive workspace that keeps your projects moving forward. Head to ⁠https://aka.ms/every⁠ to use Teams for free, and experience effortless collaboration, today.

    AI forces us to reckon with what makes...

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    Jonny Miller uploaded his entire life to ChatGPT to use it as the ultimate AI coach. 


    He created what he calls a Codex Vitae—with core personality traits, values, goals, burnout signals and more to load into ChatGPT. It hyper-customizes his responses, to help him access deep meditation states, create custom supplementation plans, and do deep research on areas of brain and body that he finds interesting.  


    Jonny runs a ...

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    I interviewed the Governor of New Jersey Phil Murphy.


    We spent an hour talking about his vision for AI in government, economic development, and the regulatory challenges ahead. His approach is refreshingly pragmatic: 

    • Spark real innovation at scale. Governor Murphy is laying the groundwork through an AI hub that pools the strengths of the government, academia (Princeton University), legacy tech (Microsoft), and next-gen players (...

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    Steve Schlafman is using a $20 ChatGPT subscription to expand his consciousness.

    He’s doing this through:

    • Advanced dream work—Steve records himself talking about his dreams every morning, uploads the transcript to ChatGPT, and prompts the LLM to analyze it like a Jungian dream analyst would. The model pulls out archetypes and hidden emotions that he would’ve been oblivious to.

    • Creating living records of meaningful experienc...

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    Our sponsor for this episode is Microsoft. Want seamless collaboration without the cost? Microsoft Teams offers a robust free plan for individuals that delivers unlimited chat, 60-minute video meetings, and file sharing—all within one intuitive workspace that keeps your projects moving forward. Head to https://aka.ms/every to use Teams for free, and experience effortless collaboration, today.


    Mike Maples knows how AI startups ca...

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    Michael Taylor has perfected the art of getting AI to speak in tongues. He’s taught it to mimic the voices of your customers—so you can see how they would respond before you ship.


    Michael is the creator of Rally, a market research tool that lets you simulate an audience of AI personas. He built a simulator that lets us A/B test Every’s headlines on an audience that mimics the real Hacker News audience. It’s become a part of my writi...

  • Nat Eliason’s career arc is borderline absurd—but it works. 


    In the last five years, he ran an SEO agency, got into crypto, made $600,000 from a course on the note-taking toolRoam Research, flipped real estate in Austin for a 6x return, and published abook with Random House. He’s now writing a book of science fiction and running a viralcourse about building apps with AI.


    I’ve known Nat for a long time, and I think he knows wh...

  • Guillermo Rauch is one of the most prolific coders of this generation. 

    But he doesn’t think of himself as a coder anymore. 

    Coding, he says, is a specific skill that AI is becoming great at. Instead, he thinks the future of coding is more holistic, full-stack engineers who can ideate, design, and execute all together. 

    Guillermo is the founder and CEO of Vercel, the creator of NextJS, and SocketIO. We spent an hour talking about t...

  • AGI is coming. Reid Hoffman just wrote the book on how to prepare.

    According to Reid, every major tech breakthrough (the written word, the printing press, the telephone) triggered mass fear. But, contrary to our worries, new technology tends to enhance human agency—even more so, if you know how to use it well.

    Reid is the cofounder of LinkedIn, Inflection AI, and Manas AI; a partner at venture capital firm Greylock Partners; an ear...

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    Nabeel Hyatt is looking for the “Japanese toilets” of AI—products that delight users in unexpected ways.

    As a partner at Spark Capital, that investment philosophy has paid off. Despite making only 1-2 investments a year, he’s picked some of the biggest winners in AI so far: Descript, Cruise, and Granola.

    We spent an hour unpacking: 

    How much “leash” top products give to AI agents—and why that matters

    How he spots remarkable AI prod...

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    Building an email client used to take many years and millions of dollars.

    But Every’s Kieran Klaassen built Cora—a totally new way to manage your inbox with AI—in just 3 months. He even shipped the original MVP of the product in a single day—something that just wasn’t possible before the current state of generative AI. 

    Now, there are almost 10,000 people on the waitlist for Cora, and we’re onboarding new users every single day. 

    E...

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    AI is going to change science forever. Small scale studies will give way to large scale open data gathering efforts. We’ll shift from seeking broad general theories to making contextual predictions in individual cases. The traditional research paper will change fundamentally. That’s why I had Alice Albrecht on the show. Few people straddle the worlds of science and AI like she does: She holds a Ph.D. in cognitive neuroscience fro...

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    Chris Pedregal knows how to build AI products that people love.

    Chris is the cofounder and CEO of Granola, an AI notepad for meetings. We use it all the time at Every—Granola listens in on a meeting and, when it ends, generates notes and a shareable transcript for anyone who missed it. 

    Granola is one of my favorite consumer AI products because it’s equal parts delightful and useful. So my question for Chris was:

    How do you do it? ...

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    Here’s the most compelling benchmark of AI progress: 

    A task that took 60 minutes a year ago now takes 60 seconds.

    In January 2024, Geoffrey Litt and I spent an hour coaxing ChatGPT and Replit to build an app live on my podcast.12 months later, Steve Krouse and I built the same app with one prompt in less than a minute. 

    Steve is the cofounder and CEO of Val Town, a cloud-based platform for developers to write, share, and deploy co...

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