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(01:58):
Welcome back to another episode, Season two, episode forty six
with the one and only a Little Big Homie Alan Iverson,
the most requested person you got. We've had everybody on
this show. Everybody did, but the one person we haven't had.
We went and got him for y'all. Wasn't easy, man,

(02:20):
It's busy, Hey man. We want to welcome everybody man
one of my favorite players friends, brother Allen Iverson, to
the show. Man. We appreciate your time, brother Jackoe. We
forgot our hand shake too, man, They've been more. My
hands haven't been more. New season, Baby, I got all

(02:41):
my new products from now I mean from Matt. I
got all my new products from Matt and make sure
you could get your youth products too. But we mentioned it,
like we said, you know, you were the one. We
always randomly asked who people want to see, And when
I tell you, it's like of the comments are we
want to see Ai. We want to see Ai. Man,
how does that make you feel? You know, you've been
removed from sports for so long, but still people still

(03:03):
want to know all about you. It's just it's God,
you know what I mean. You love me, You love me,
um Man. Just being up here. I was just so
excited to come up here because the YouTube dudes, man,
you know what I mean, Like y'all know how we
feel about each other. We're talking about what I mean.

(03:25):
And then for me to be able to to do
this for y'all, for our fans, for the people that
genuinely love us, it's dope. Is legendary, is monumental. That's
why I said to you in the text, you know
what I mean, We're gonna make this legendary. We won't

(03:46):
talk about the stuff that people want to hear mm hmm.
Now they re aired your doc we aired on Showtime
just recently. Um, after seeing that and being removed again,
what you take from that? What do you what is
your take away? What do you think about when you
look back at stuff like that. I don't know, man,
I got you know, a lot of mixed emotions when

(04:10):
it comes to it, because it was so many great times,
great moments. Then it was the hard ones. But it
was just Medan Allen Iverson. You know who he is,
me being chucked, you know what I mean, Me being
the guy that would fall down, get his ass back
up and fall down, get back up. You know what

(04:33):
I mean. I owe it two my family most importantly, Um,
y'all my homeboys, order my teammates, ordered my fans to fight,
you know what I mean. I'm a fighter, man, you
know what I mean. It's the same fight, different round,

(04:54):
That's it. I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Two
sports star quarterback. I mean, you know, I played a
little bit of football in high school. Jack squears he
played football, um for point guard a quarterbacks and then
he was he was even with my teammates like he

(05:15):
was my teammate and he act like he don't know,
like he's seen some ship, you know what I mean
when it comes to football, Like he's seen it, you
know what I mean. And Matt was so cool to
me because he was or handsome, pretty boy dude. But

(05:36):
it was hard. Yea. That's like the people act like
they act like they don't know, Steve what I was
in football, you know what I mean. They act like
they don't know, like I was way better in football
that I was in basketball. That's crazy to hear though,

(05:56):
because no one after looking back with your career, wasn't
the NBA to know that you were a better football player. Yeah,
Like because it was you were way more raw than
me in football. You were raw. It was my it
was my it was my first love. I just remember,
like my old lady went to another high school and
you know, they used to talk crazy to her about

(06:17):
what they were gonna do to me, you know what
I mean. Yeah, they're gonna break my legs. They're gonna
And I was like every time we played kickatan like, oh,
I'm murdering the people, man, Like for y'all talking crazy
to my girl like that, you know what I mean.
And it was like I always took it personal. I

(06:38):
was born in Hampton, but bought up in Newport News.
All of the guys from Newport News with homeboys that
I grew up with then and I went to Hampton
because I couldn't stay out of trouble. And what was like, man,
you come in happen like when I flunk eighth grade.
I missed sixty nine days of school and and Moe

(07:03):
was like, no, you coming to Avone. You're trying to
throw it all away. And I went to Hampton. So
when I played against all of the neuper News schools,
you know what I mean, Yeah, you know what I mean,
I'm the guys that I grew up with. I'm gonna
beat y'all up. Man. That that just let let you
know how great God is, because I'm a Hall of

(07:23):
Famer and basketball? What was that she played on d
I played safety. The cornerback is the hardest. You got
to react to everything. That's tough position. Quarterback, The cornerback
is just Deon said the other day, I think um
Ramsey just got his yeah, and I think Dion said

(07:43):
something about how a cornerback, you know, can't get paid
like a quarterback. You know, we already know quarterback is.
That's the spot, but a cornerback is just the hardest position.
The cornerback is also the most dominant position for blacks
in NFL. Jason, last one was the last one. Boy

(08:07):
on this ship? Up, boy on this ship. But let's
seck in and look at you be on it. Where
can they get to show my socks as well? Okay,
put your putting? You a little ashy, put your socks up.
I don't know, should get the cameral the eyes obviously
classics as nice. I'm the coach of the obviously Classic.

(08:28):
Every year he has his own game to celebrity, celebrate
all the high school top high school players in the country.
How you got some shoes? He ain't got though, because
I'm the coach, right, Okay, Yeah, that's what happens with that. Yeah, yeah,
we have we have we have them coach to man.
Yeah fresh fresh been the coach can continue to be
the coach. Yeah. Actually the same guy shout out to

(08:52):
Bobby inside the job. They in the process help him
me create my own game from this? Is that right? Yeah? So,
but out of obser Classic we got we got postponed.
This year we're supposed to shoot our show from there.
We're supposed to shoot our show. This was this actually
interview was supposed to be. This is supposed to be
our season one rap was yeah in Philly, and this

(09:14):
year was gonna be great. We was doing it at
Kobe High School. We was doing that Lord Marran, so
we was doing a great tribute and we had our
first girl in the game this year, our first girl
in the game. So we're still gonna do it though,
but it's it's just a game to honor him and
the honor to high school. Pleasant and since you announced
that you're gonna have your own game, now we already

(09:35):
know who the coach gonna be game you. Yeah, I
bet that will work, Yes, sir, done deal. So back
to winning to you led your teams a state championship
in football and basketball one that your junior year. Um,
what was your deciding factor in choosing? Because I had
to say make how you I'm sorry, man, but how

(09:57):
are you getting nice like this with because I never yeah,
but I never I never saw this coming, like like
play would this dude? Man? And he was always like
She'll never always quiet because I wasn't getting a chance
to play. So I was just in the background, high
just watching everything, watch the time, go back. That's all

(10:18):
I was doing. I used to have a hope, man,
Like that's all I did. But you nice, you nice
with it, nice with it, like y'all y'all different, you
know what I mean, And will make y'all, will make
y'all so excellent. And and it's no disrespect to anybody
that didn't play. There's no disrespect on them because these
dudes that that no, they know their ship, you know

(10:41):
what I mean, they didn't play. But it's it's so
different with y'all because y'all know all the feelings, the
emotions that the locker room that you know what I mean.
The media y'all, y'all know at all. But I feel
like this to the people that that no the game
that haven't played it, they either coaching it or working

(11:04):
around it. Not on TV talking about it. They basically
working around people around the game. Like Lawrence Frank never
played basketball, but that's one of the smartest people in
the game. Yeah, you know what, There's a lot of
people like that. Yeah, And I think I think like
I knew it, just like I know with Jason Kidd,
I think Eric No should be a head coach. But

(11:26):
I knew it with Steve Nash like I knew it
because he has so much the offer to our sport.
Because he's excellent. He's a great person. I never had
the luxury of being around him a lot, but just
hearing stories from other everybody, yes, everybody. Just a beautiful man.
I want to see him succeed in the situation that

(11:49):
he's in with those two great players, with all the
other guys that they got around that team. It's a
recipe for greatness. It's gonna be great for Kyrie, Steve.
Steve gave me Steven Stepan Marbury gave me the most problems,
gave me the most problems. I love Stefan Marber. Yeah,

(12:10):
Steve was just headache because he could do it. He
could do it all. Didn't have John Stockton moved you
know what I mean, just right here, you know what
I mean, just know how to get it done, you
know what I mean. Steve was just Steve was excellent man.
And shout out to you, Steve man. I want to

(12:31):
see you do great man. I want to see you
be a legendary. Greg Papovitch, Larry Brown type influence and
people whose lives like you know, they were to me.
You know, Greg Papavitch was so great to me from
a far away, always supportive. Yeah like that, just excellent.

(12:57):
And in our league. Somehow, some way I need Larry
Brown in some capacity, in some capacity, just even just
just this. This is all I want to do. This
is all I want to do. I just want to
share in mine experiences and my my my trials, my tribulations,

(13:19):
my ups, my downs. I just want to help, you
know what I mean. I just want to I just
want to help with my voice and my experience. I
just want to help little guys and not let them
make the mistakes that we that we made. You know
what I mean, And it's big. Most people don't realize
when you share, Like when you're in someone to be

(13:40):
your statue and you share, You're not sharing for the
poor me. You're sharing to help other people in the
Simil situation, you know what I mean. But I can
go through it. If Jack could go through it, if
Back can go through, I can get you know what
I mean. I swear to God on my life kill
me dead today. I wouldn't trade nothing, nothing, I won't
I want to be if if I could die today

(14:02):
and then live again tomorrow. I want to wake up
being Alan Iverson all over again. You know what I mean,
all over again? You know what I mean? Do do
I regret a whole bunch of stuff? People ask me
what I change things? Yeah, because I don't have friends
that I love and they weren't A driver that I

(14:26):
had the other day he told me, stop feeling like
you can put your energy or or expect them things
from certain people and it will limit your disappointments. That's
happened to me so many times, because the only people
that hurt you, it's the motherfucker's that you care about,

(14:48):
what that you love. You love them so much, but
they don't. They don't like that you give it all
but they don't give it all back. Yeah, it's like
it's I expect I know I love harder than everybody else.
I know that, and it's things that I can do
financially for people that they can't do for me, you

(15:10):
know what I mean. But all of the other areas
you're supposed to have them covered. You know what I mean,
all them other areas you're supposed to had them covered.
Like I can. I can. I can do stuff for you.
I can give you a dollar, you know what I mean.
But I can do all the other stuff too, but
you not being able to give me capital. You're supposed

(15:34):
to be able to contribute in other areas everything, every
other area, you know what I mean. I love talking
to my guys and telling them things that I've been
through in my life and to show them, like even
with a relationship like I've been with my old lady
thirty years now, you know what I mean, married, divorced,

(15:55):
all that. You know what I mean. But you know
dan right, I lave you to one. But dudes that's
married that I rock with, and I'll be telling them like,
this is where I went wrong. I don't want you
to go through this. I don't want you to go
through this. So when I say stuff to him, like,

(16:15):
the most hurting feeling is when a dude look at
you like, oh, why you think you right because you
alan averson? No, man, I'm right because I'm right, and
I'm right because I love you. I'm I'm telling you
what I went through. I don't want you. I don't
want you to get hurt like this, you know what
I mean. I remember going through a divorce, dog man.

(16:38):
I remember walking around this motherfucker a hundred and fifty pounds,
you know what I mean. Can't eat, can't sleep, you
know what I mean? Just thinking about her, you know
what I mean, hearing her voice, why I'm sleep and
and and thinking about was it worth this for you,
having the fund or whatever to he it was when

(17:01):
he was doing whatever, he was going to break it down,
to break you down. Mean you man, the people that
you love, it's all you got, man, Just on Instagram
and stuff like that. I don't look at my comments,
Oh I don't. I don't post stuff for likes. I
post stuff for y'all to see people that really love me. People,

(17:22):
Let me see what you're doing, Let me see you.
I fit the day, you know what I mean, Let
me see let me see what you're doing. And then
and then and y'all say something up there, May you
look cool or this that in the third. But I
can never be on a certain a person page if
I don't like, I don't even want to see you

(17:42):
know what I mean. I'm not gonna be on Trump page,
you know what. Like, I don't rock with you, so
why would I be following you or worrying about what
you're doing? Though, it's a weird ship. You see the
most people talking to you looking there following you, Like why,
I like, if you don't like you don't like me,
what's the point? Like you wake up every day looking
to just go say some negative. But that's the world

(18:04):
we're living today, and it's crazy and something fortunate. It's
people that got more money than me, less than me.
I'm always the elephant in the room, you know what
I mean. Like I can be in the room with
somebody to work at McDonald's, somebody that's on the Fortune
Fine Hunt list, and I'm gonna treat them the same way.
I'm gonna treat them the same way, you know what

(18:26):
I mean. Like I got friends that's rich like you
like you see, you know what I mean? And I
got friends that funked up, But I treat them the
same way. And and that's why, and that's why you
get so much love, because people understand you're gonna hug
the balls just like you hug the workers. Yeah, that's
how you've always been. And then and then you talk

(18:47):
about the clothes and all that. People look at your
page because you're a cultural icons The way I dressed
right now is because of you everything, So you're a culture.
So people looking at you right, people are looking at
your page to follow, not just for your lifestyle, is
because we love you, bro. And you gave a lot
of people confidence when they didn't have confidence in they saves.
You've got a lot of people know that they can

(19:08):
beat themselves and still be successful. I tell you that
ship all the time. And it ain't just us, Bro,
it ain't just basketball players, That's what I'm saying. It's wrappers,
it's everybody. They You gave them the confidence to beat
themselves and anything they can do, all of us, Bro,
And that's why people follow you. And you got to
accept that. And we and you know what I'm telling
you giving your flowers because you mean a lot to us.

(19:29):
We can't lose you. We just lost Kobe. We can't
lose you. We're gonna give you all the flowers in
the world. Bro, right now, you feel right now, straight up?
And then that's why we have to have you. What's wrong?
What's wrong? What's wrong with being you? Everybody else, everybody
else taken taken up? What's wrong with being you? You're

(19:49):
disrespecting God for giving you life. If you think that
your life ain't ship and you want to be somebody else?
You know what I mean? What's wrong with what's wrong
with being you? It's cool being you. I don't give
a damn you rich if you if you're rich, if
you you don't. Man, I never knew when I was

(20:11):
gonna become rich. I ain't know, but I ain't. I didn't.
I didn't force try to force my hand on God
saying oh today it is fucked up. You know what
I mean? Um, why I'm not rich yet? Why I'm
not rich yet? When? When? When? I? When? I? When
I played at Georgetown. It won't time for me to

(20:32):
come out my freshman year, you know what I mean?
Like I won't. I won't ready. You know what I mean,
I won't ready that mother, that man, what that man
did for me. I remember, And I love Philadelphia. I

(20:52):
love the fans in Philadelphia greatest in the world. No
relationship it's like my relationship with the Philadelphia fans. You
probably could look at um Kobe in l a. Braun
and Cleveland Mike in Chicago, but hands down, ain't no

(21:13):
relationship like the relationship I had with the Philadelphia fans.
They're the toughest fans that went over. That's why. Yeah,
because I had to go. I went through it. I
went through it. But Coach Thompson, Man, we was playing Villanova,
and dude had a sign that said Alan iverson the
next MJ and had MJ crossed out and had O J.

(21:38):
And it was three dude, I mean four dudes in
the stands and they had on all orange jump shoots
with chains and and and shackles and all that. And
Coach Thompson was like, no, if y'all don't get them
out of here, if y'all don't get them out of
this gym right now, we're not playing. And they excorted

(21:59):
them out of there and the game went on. That dude,
like I remember just being at the free throw line
when I when I came to Georgetown and everybody just jailbird,
jail bird, jailbird. And I had to deal with all that,
and he was so protective of me, man, you know

(22:21):
what I mean, Like even the first night that I
was on campus, he came up there, they and everybody,
Coach Thompson, you know, I'm doing the ship that I
don't suppose it. You know, I'm smoking, you know what
I mean, I'm I'm I'm he was all in back then. Yeah, man,
I'm smoking whatever. Coach Thompson came up there, and it

(22:44):
was like Coach Thompson looking at you. Man. I remember
just trying to get myself together when wash my face,
you know what I mean, the high No, but he ain't. No,
he like you think he didn't know. He knew, bro, Yeah,

(23:06):
I came on there. He was like you a little man, like, yeah, No,
I was trying to get away from them so fast,
like I'm cool. Coach. He told him, why are you
standing so far back there? Come come here? So now
you're telling me. He probably knew this little motherfucker eyes hell,

(23:29):
you know what I mean. But he was he was
like and he always talked about the fact that, um,
I never complained about them people throwing me in jail
like that, and people tried to at home. I love
I love Virginie and I'll rap it to the fullest.
But they tried to ruin me. They didn't want they
didn't want me to be what you just described and

(23:53):
who I am to the masses, you know what I mean.
They didn't want for me to go to any country
in the world. Soon as I get off the plane.
Everybody in the airport know who I am. They didn't
want that. It was certain people that didn't want that.
The the guy that locked me up, that threw me
in jail, he died, and me and my baby girl

(24:14):
sent his family flowers. You ain't do nothing but make
me stronger. Straight up. That's all you did. Was made
me strong. I needed you in my life. I needed you.
You was you was You was monumental in my life.
You was you was an intricate part of my life.
You touched on my next question, what did you learn?
I mean, that was obviously a highly publicized incident in

(24:35):
the bowling athletes, like you said, nearly injured you before
you really got started. What did you learn about yourself
and your views on just what kind of threat they saw?
You asked Matt. What I learned was I knew that
I was young and immature because of being in jail.
I wouldn't even scared like I wasn't even I wouldn't
like now, you know what I mean, if I was

(24:57):
to go to jail right now, I would be terrified
because I'm older. I'm not I'm not immature like I
was back then. Back then, I was just man's what up?
Back then, I would do a dumb ass. First of all,
I was the worst rapper in the world, you know
what I mean. I was doing it, but I was
doing it because my homeboys. That was what they wanted

(25:18):
to do. So the opportunity presented itself and I could
help them. So that's why I did it, you know
what I mean. Like I learned from them. I didn't
learn well, but I learned from them, you know what
I mean. But back then, Matt, I was so nonchalant,
and the only thing that I was scared of is

(25:40):
that my dream of being who Mode molded me to
be as an athlete was gonna be over. Like the
old head people in my life, I just never wanted
to disappoint them, you know what I mean. You know
I had that fear, not a Mode kicking my ass
a couple he threw me through a one shield before,

(26:03):
you know what I mean, but just not being who
God gave you the talent to be. You Matt Barnes,
Steve Jackson, You're supposed to be what God gave you
the talent to end up being, you know what I mean?
And that was my fear. That was my fear letting,

(26:25):
letting them down. And then the fact of like Coach
Thompson used to tell me, oh, you have this motherfucker
you eating three times a day. Huh. You didn't breakfast,
you didn't lunch, you didn't dinner. But your mom down
there and some days she don't even eat. She living
down there, and that we call my homeboys used to
tease me, they called it the dills affect. It straight

(26:47):
from the sewer because in our crib we had, we
had the crib and we never could be bad for
it in our house because the sewer from up under
the house used to the carpet. Yeah, and it's just wet,
like you're walking through this motherucking crib and it's just question,
you know what I mean. And it's stinking like a

(27:08):
motherfucker cutting the lights on, roaches running there, you goddamn where.
No water, no hot water, you know what I mean?
No food? Bacon Solda? What bacon Solda? And and wear
fair cheese and the motherfucker. And he used to you know,
that's what was his way of getting to me. Oh,
you want your mama to around, that's what you're doing. Yeah,

(27:31):
keep keep living like this right, I ain't gonna argue
with you. I ain't gonna cut you out, you know
what I mean. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna talk
no ship to you. I'm just gonna tell you this
is what you want for your mom and your sisters, right.
And I could just snap out of us, Steve, you
know what I mean, and go get right back on
on on my path. But I don't know. I know

(27:54):
I went all over the place from what you asked me,
But we want We spoke on two people, obviously, one
being here Mo and then John Thompson. It sounds like
to me from the outside looking in, with two integral
figures in your life and kind of kept you from
making all these left and rights and kept you going straight.
Talk to us a little bit about both them. Obviously

(28:14):
we just lost, you know, one of the greatest coaches
of all time, resting peach Coach Thompson. But I know
he was an intrigral in, you know, keeping you on
the right path. We used to tell me about all
the time. Is the ship that I was just talking
to you about. He said, I ain't never complained for
what they did to me. He always talked about. He
admired me for what they did for me, and being

(28:37):
there young and not complain. But my whole thing was
God gave me another chance, so it won't no need
to con blame because I got a chance. Like I'm
recruited by everybody in the whole country and both sports, everybody,
and the situation happened with me, and they almost got

(28:57):
away with it. Thee they almost got away with it
because if my mom didn't go up there and beg
him to save my life, it wouldn't be no Alan
Irison the coach rule icon. Did everybody know if he
didn't give me a chance, he gave me a chance.

(29:20):
Do you remember what John Thompson was known as Alonzo Patrick,
the Kim bay the big man, coach, Marcus Allen. I mean,
I'm Marcus Allen, uh Alan, so another big man. They
had another seven for the last name was Alice from
my hometown. It was it was big man, and and
everybody always talked about how he couldn't coach guards. But

(29:46):
then all of a sudden, when you think of Georgetown,
as much as I love Pat, as much as I
love Alonzo, much as I love to Kim Bay man,
it's Bubba chucking, you know, to me and and and Mo.
And MO was just so intricate in my life because

(30:08):
that was the first time I saw a man married
to a woman and had a kid and didn't hustle.
I went to work every day, more worked at Avon, man,
like a little girl, more work than Avon with my mama.
That's how, that's how, that's how I met Mo. My,

(30:32):
my mom and Moe worked together at Avon. And Mo
was talking to Mommy about me, and Mommy was saying,
my son the baddest motherfucker this in the third day,
whoop whoop. And Mo was like, man, that little you
know whatever ain't ship, you know what I mean. He
was like like, man, come saam, just come check him out.

(30:53):
Y'all football your football dude, Right all right, y'all football dude.
So y'all know what hot ball is? How ball when
you throw it up? All right? Well, we was playing
hot ball. Mocaine our hood just rolled by, you know,
just because he was a football coach, rolled by, you

(31:15):
know what I mean, to check check me out and
see what was up. Everything else is legendary, you know.
And told my mom like when when it told? When
it told? My mom said, Yo, yes, he's the one,

(31:37):
and then and like we we UM. We lost our
first year, we lost seventy six tom Strong, and then
we wanted five years in a row. I ain't never played.
I played UM. I played in immediate every year five
years straight. But when Moe came and got me, he
came and got me and took me to Hampton and

(31:58):
put me in the skills position. When I was in
uh newper News, motherfucker's had me. I played center, Steve.
I played center. I played center because they were like,
I just wanted to be on the field, and they
had me. They had me, you know, they was, you know,
saying who can hike whatever? Whatever. I don't like anything,

(32:21):
I do anything. Just I was number double zero, uh Steve,
like man. I played UM. I played the year before that,
that was Door Miller. Year before that, I played the
t v P. I played wide receiver. They threw me
the ball one time and bitch went straight in the air.

(32:41):
I used to cry after a goddamn game. We lost
every game. Second year I played playing for Door Miller,
I'm the center, number double zero Steve. Sorry as number.
I couldn't stand with mellow water. Now number five pounds,
look yes, listen, I'm at six bread, I mean at
the bus stop. It's raining and you know, um, everybody

(33:06):
trying to get on the bus. You know what I
mean to getting the sitt in the back where you
can cut up, so you want to get on first,
so you can sit in the back. Man. I'm up
to motherfucker, motherfucker pushing me, man, and I failed. The
motherfucking bust roll over my ankle, just sitting on my ankle.
I'm sitting there. Everybody banging on the um, banging on

(33:26):
the window like miss Burry, Miss Burry, you know what
I mean? You you um, you're on his ankle. You're
on his ankle. She like what what? You know what
I mean? She finally opened the door and they're like,
you on his ankle And I'm just laying there. I
guess I probably was in in shot or something because
goddamn busts on my ankle. I'm a little ass kid.

(33:47):
Motherfucker roll by. I get up, Steve, get up and
try to walk up on the bus. She put her
hands on my chest like, uh, you gotta look, you
gotta sit down, you gotta sit down. I sat down
and then motherfucking pain came and I'm like, oh ship,
I just passed out, you know what I mean. I

(34:10):
woke up the whole fucking neighborhood because I'm the I'm
the neighborhood, the star, you know what I mean. And
and you funked up. It's all over, proud of you.
I woke up, I'm on the guerney and they pushing
me out. I'm just looking at everybody in the hood,
you know what I mean. I just see everybody crying,
you know whatever. You know, they put me in their

(34:32):
joint and I just remember my grandma telling me at
the hospital. I was like, no, no, I ain't gonna
never be able to play no more. And she was like,
don't worry about that. I was like, none in my ankle.
My ankle is messed up. And she was like, son,
don't worry about that. Instead of your ankle, it could
have been your chest or your head. Dog. I played

(34:54):
a month later in the championship game. A month later,
you know what I mean. Like, my the doctor was like,
you know what I mean, Like how your ankle is?
How is it not um shattered? It won't even broke,
It won't even broke, you know what I mean, I'm like, yo,
it was man, what Like I believe in him. I'm

(35:17):
not no, I'm not no dude that I you know,
be up in church all the time and whatever. Like
I pray, I pray. I pray for Tijuana. I mean,
I pray for my kids. First, I played for Tiuana.
I pray for my family and the wildest ship as
I always pray for me. Last I pray for all

(35:38):
that because I know without them, I'll be so lost.
I'd be so shattered, I'll be so dismembered, I'd be
so discombobulated if I didn't have the people that I
love like him, like this is my my best friend.
I have no problem when he tells me I'm sucking

(36:00):
up like I'm I'm I'm the epitome of being able
to take constructive criticism, Like he's not gonna say nothing
to me just to be fucking with me. You're not
donna just saying he saved because he loved me the
way you and Matt are me. Y'all met Alan Iverson,
But y'all still love Bubba Chuck. Y'all still care about

(36:21):
Bubba Chuck. Eric snow still care about the guy funk
that Alan Iverson ship. You know what I mean. I like,
I think it's dope. I think it's cool. I don't
want you wanted to love Alan Iverson. I wanted to
love Chuck fifteen years old, Chuck, Bubba Chuck. You know
what I mean. I don't want you to start looking
at me like I'm Alan Iverson, you know what I mean?

(36:44):
Like when when me and you talk like me and
you like I like to talk to you, I'll be
my certain certain friends of mine. I'll be like, why
this motherfucker calling me on FaceTime? Like dude, motherfucker's just
want to look at you like what I look you
know what I mean? Like? But then when when when
when I like, when I call you, I like to

(37:04):
do that like I don't want to see Steve, like
I don't get to see Steve, you know what I mean. Like,
And then when you call me on face sound, I'm like,
you know what I mean like and and and and
and it kind of it kind of makes you understand
like a motherfucker love hearing your voice, but mothercker want
to see you too. You know what the mo Moe

(37:27):
said to me yesterday And I was like, man, what
you turn this off or something, you know, because you're
getting old. Because he said to me, it's great just
hearing your voice. I'm like, what you know what I mean?
Like what you got going on? He was like, no,
I'm saying, I just just bring hearing your voice today,
you know what I mean? And this ship was so

(37:47):
fucking dope to me, man, because I heard you. I
heard you talk about some ship when you had when
y'all had Stephen a a bit, and you was like
you said something. It was only something you could say. He's,
you know, emotional guy like I'm not I'm Matt Barnes tough.

(38:11):
I'm Steve Jack tough on that dance floor, off the floor. Man,
I don't want no problems with man. Man, how many
times we have been on FaceTime and tells time, I
don't want no, I don't want I'm not out here
trying to be no tough guy. Man. I'm not. I'm

(38:31):
not tough. Man, I'm not. I don't don't approach me
thinking that it's some tough ship going on with me. Man,
that's basketball. When when when they talk about how tough
Alan Iverson is. You know what I knows too. I
know it's a lot of people think we're tough because
of the stuff we were able to endure and come
through in life. That they look at this like, I

(38:51):
could never go through that? How how how are you
still standing right? How? How did you make it through
all that? All these people talked about you and said
you was just said you was that, but you still
keep going? How did you? How did you? How do
you have that strength? So that's why people automatically put
that that tough tag on you or that are that
are that he's hard tag on you because they don't
they don't understand how can somebody go through so much

(39:13):
and still shine like a diamond? Bro. But that's just
what we do. We make a lot of pressure up
the pivot into the ninety six draft. That was the
hell of a draft class yourself, Stepfi Marbury, kobe An,
Tom Walker, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil, greatest draft he was

(39:34):
in there. So that's your introduction to that Philly fan base.
You talked about it and tell us about the beginning
of your career. Obviously there had been a spam where
they hadn't been to the playoffs in a handful of years.
Charles Barkley was gone in the early nineties. You come
in nineties, come in ninety six. What was it like
at the beginning trying to build your beginning of your career? So,

(39:55):
because the same thing you spoke on Matt with the
fan base being and so tough, right, and then I
was coming in. I was a point guard, but I've
always been a killer, so I was score not being traditional.
They were hard on me, you know what I mean.
And then I came from Georgetown Villanova. Yeah, so you

(40:18):
had those fans, I would say, kind of not giving
me a chance to develop, you know what I mean.
They wanted it now years old. They wanted me to
take a team championship, right, and it was it was
hard on me. From what you just said, Steve, what
I had endured in my life, it was way harder.

(40:41):
And so it probably didn't even register and bother me
like it would anybody else. That was the number one pick,
you know what I mean. So it didn't it didn't
bother me, like, Man, I'm in the NBA. I just
got out of jail, you know what I mean. Yeah,
you know what I mean. I'm making hears of dollars,
like I'm taking care of my family. Tawanna is straight,

(41:05):
you know what I mean, Like my daughter is straight.
So it's like, man, funk that ship. And then you
know what God do, and great coaches do what Larry
Brown did, and great teammates do, they help me, you
know what I mean, get to what we ultimately you know,
end up becoming. Remember Brown said about me and you

(41:27):
mm hmm. It's a quote I got to. I took
the copy, cut it out the magazine. God put him
on this earth to coach Allan ivis and to Stephen Jackson. Wow,
and he the greatest? Like that was how how how
is he not involved in any organization at all? And
he don't want no money. He just wants his voice

(41:49):
to be heard to help. He want the game to
stay appreciated. Yeah, I am for him to for him
to say, he say, he go around in life and
every way yet airports, you know, wherever, yet and people
walk up to him and say, you're Allen nervous in
his coach, or you were allanvouss coach. And he loved

(42:09):
that feeling. Dude, you know why that makes me feel
though as much as we look up to him, I
remember I remember I did something we were playing a
Lando and I hit the winner, and I remember your reaction,
because man, you we jumped up. We you know what
I mean something we jumped up, and you know what
I mean. But your reaction and and when you say

(42:32):
you won't play, but you know the type of motherfucker
you are. Your reaction for the success that we it's
always been that way pure. You gotta think I'm a
fan like I'm, You're some of we all look up to,
and I'm pretty much I just had the best motherfucking
sea in the arena right here every single night. I say,

(42:53):
because he missed his I mean, can you imagine? I mean,
you're already an icon Hall of Famer, but if social
media was around back when he was playing, you mean,
you gotta think that first. When you how you hopped
in the league with the cross Stoker on MJ. But
I was front and center for you. You making a
lot of people fall down. And if you look back,
like my kids were looking the other day, they're like, Dad,
I didn't know you played with Alan Iver sounds like

(43:14):
I did, and I watched them. I was, you know,
but I jumped off. I jumped off the bench like
a couple of times where he would just cross. But
to me, it's just about seeing it was I've always
been teamed, but to get you know, get a chance
to just see what you went through every single day.
People don't understand first of all how fucking small you are,
and then to see the burst of sacks on your
elbows or how beat up your hips are. Like this motherfucker,

(43:37):
I couldn't move, and then all of a sudden at
the games, he's amazing. The only motherfucker's that No for real,
his motherfucker's like him that played with you know what
you mean? That like Tiwana Iverson, Like good, sit up
and watch me walk to the bathroom in the morning,

(43:59):
and like, ain't no whar in hell he's playing today?
You know what I mean? Because mother fucker Fred Sam
from Nika. Just man, I get there, see the motherfucking
fans man, look in them eyes. Man, what I'm playing.
I don't give a funk if the ship hanging off. Man,
I'm playing, you know what I mean, just for my

(44:22):
just for my guys man, and then and then them
fucking Philadelphia fans man. But just like I'm not an activist,
like I'm Marvel, what you do like I'm so proud
of you, Like I mean you're talking about when we
face time and and and and I'm crying and ship
like that, when I see you on Instagram and then

(44:43):
when I see you, you know, on TV and and
doing your thing and standing up for us and all that. Man,
that's Steve. That's that's that's what he was breddy to do. Man,
he is that man. Just like you. You said all
the time, you didn't ask to be put in this situation.

(45:04):
It it happened, and and and and you took the
responsibility and took off with it. And I'm doing it
and I'm doing it and I'm gonna be the best
are doing it, and I love it and I love it.
But I don't try to be Steve. I don't try
to be Steve Jackson. I don't try to do that.
I don't try to go out there and let me

(45:25):
try to be better than Steve. Let me be a
better activist than than Steve. Man. All of it is wrong.
All that ship is wrong. We know it. You see
a motherfucker, uh, somebody get murdered for no reason. It's wrong.
You don't. It's just wrong. You don't racism, you can't.
You can't change nobody. And I said, I won't even

(45:48):
talk about this, but it's here. You can't just tell
a person that's racist, man, that is wrong, and then
that person is gonna be like, all right, well I
ain't racism because you said it's wrong, because you man,
God gotta do something about this. Don't work like that, man,
Evil is evil and good is good. Man. They don't
have a color neither because they're coming all. I never,

(46:10):
I never, I never. I'm a hooper my whole life.
I've been around everybody. I watched that. I say that
all the time as a basketball players, it's kind of
hard for you to be racist, bro, How can you
be kind of hardest? But especially grow up in the
air U circus and all the different races we come
up with play. If you are, you're gonna stand out
Like you think I don't love count Corver, You think

(46:31):
I don't love Keithing Horn, You think I don't love
Time to Color. Like you think those guys were just
my teammates. No, man, we went through war together. Man.
With the narrative though, Chuck, that's the narrative. That's why
we got our own show so we can paint our
own narratives. Now they can't just say Chuck hate that
people are Chuck. Is this na You can't say that.

(46:52):
You can talk to Chuck, you can interview Chock, you
can ask me yourself. I've never I never, I never,
I never had a it's never been a race that
I had a a problem with. Man. Do you know
who threw me in jail? A white man? I don't
have no problem with white man. You know how many
white people I love? You know how many Jews that

(47:12):
I love? But it says a lot about you and
your character, though, because you have faced racism at the
highest level. But I look at it like I look
at people. I look at people. I don't look at
your color. I look at people. Do you know how
many do how many black people? African Americans ship on me? What? What? What? So?

(47:38):
What you're saying? I don't love Matt, I don't love Steve.
What you mean? We definitely gonna be our own worst
than the mantime? Yeah, I don't have no racist bones
in my body. I look at people for what they are, man,
You know what I mean? I don't. I don't. Just
like we talked about earlier, man, I don't look at
you because you're not rich. I don't shame you because

(48:01):
you're poor. I don't shame you because you work at McDonald's.
I come to the goddamn window to get my fries.
God damn it, I'm gonna treat you like I would
treat anybody. It's good in everybody. Do you know what
I mean? It is this this, this goddamn this world.
We're trying to figure all this this stuff out. And

(48:23):
what I'm what I'm saying is like people need to believe. Man,
believe in their faith, whatever it is. I ain't saying
you gotta be a Christian and you gotta be a
Muslim or whatever you are. Man, believe in the good
that that come with it. Religion aside. Everybody that's stands

(48:48):
on side of love. It's time to come together, regardless
of what religion you are, regardless of what couse of
color you are, if you stand on side of love,
this is the most important time to stand on on
the side of the next person. We're standing on side
of love, to push the people who hate out. This
is the most important time. All that religion, all of color,
all that stuff do not matter at this point. You
goddamn it don't matter at all. Look everybody, everybody's saying

(49:11):
and it makes it makes me so mad when but
I understand people be saying I can't wait for to
be over, and my old thing is like I was
thinking like that. I was like, man, Kobe, this damn disease,
Um Coach Thompson, what else you you can help me?

(49:31):
Um George, the police brutality, the protesting and and all
of this stuff that's going on, And it's like everybody's saying,
you know, we just want to go, and I'm thinking
in my mind like, damn, my nephew was born four
months ago, so me saying is so bad. No, I

(49:55):
can't say that. And then it's like everybody in a
hurry for one And do you know how many days
there are between right now? You ain't promised tomorrow. So
what you're hoping fast forward, you're trying to fast forward.
What you're trying to fast forward something for? I learn more,
I learn more to ship. I learned more in twenty

(50:16):
than I've learned in the first forty one years of
my life. Me too, I learned more about myself, more
about other people, more about history more. But I've learned.
I've educated myself more in the last couple of months,
and I've educated myself my whole life. It's a pivotal year.
This is I mean, this is gonna be a year
that's gonna go down in history. More world, it's gonna
it's gonna be gonna talk about this year in the
history then that you have been having history books, but
when our kids kids are in school, like, is gonna

(50:39):
be one of those historical pivotal moments in American history. Man,
for all the positive reasons you gotta you gotta figure
out as bad as police brutality and racism and all
that stuff, somebody getting shot in the back seven times,
and is as bad as it is in your mind,

(51:00):
I'm thinking it's gonna get better, you know what I mean.
You're just thinking positive. You're not thinking negative. Man. It's
gonna be all right, man, you know what I mean.
Mo will always tell me when stuff happened to me
in my life, and I'll be like, man, damn, you
know what I mean, And mosay, son this to shell pass.

(51:22):
You're gonna get through it, man, God gonna get you
through it. Man. You know what I mean. You are
beautiful man. You are a great person. Man right here,
You're great right there. So that's what's gonna take care
of you, right there, That's what's gonna take care of you.
Your heart, you know what I mean. And and I
and I look at the situation with these police officers,

(51:47):
and I the bad apples are the bad apples period,
you know what I mean. But I, man, I feel
sorry for the dudes that really protecting sir and care
because they're getting painted in the same brush, because they're
getting bruised just like the ones they're supposed to be getting.

(52:08):
They gotta deal with the aftermath of the bad cop acts.
They gotta deal with it. They gotta go out there
when they're really trying to do their job. Now they're
feeling for their life because the one dump one dump
racist cops, you know. And it's really not Faul. You
know it's not Faul. But at the same time, you
always thought that question, well, where are you good cops
when this is going on? Wow? Where are you or

(52:31):
where are you when after it happens when we're protesting.
So it's it's it's it's a fine line, you know
what I'm saying. You can't you can't act when you
can not give support. But then too for the you know,
for the cops to do try to call out people
their black balls. There was a cop in l A
that was that that blew the whists on that that
Compst and Sheriff Department with the two cops just got shot.
But previous, maybe a month ago, he blew the whist

(52:52):
on just all the bullshit, the racist and that was
going on. Now his family is being threatened, he's being threatened, cars,
fun with all this kind of stuff. So it's just
like an ever evolving cycle that just continues. But you
gotta think about it. If policing started as slave wranglers,
that's why they started police was to catch slave So
anything that's built on the foundation of that's what policing
was built on. So how can you expect it to

(53:13):
ever be That's a whole another conversation. But it's crazy.
But it's like I said, it's just I agree with you,
you know every day, but you know, every day we
wake up it's a blessed day. Although ties been terrible,
it's terrible moments, there's still been plenty of blessings within
this year. You know what I mean, you got to
find that silver lining. We're back. That's a big blessing.
We gotta were breathe it right now. It's another blessing.

(53:35):
We got a chance to get better tomorrow if we
make it to tomorrow. But today we have more hours
in today to get better. And when we got down
on the couch, uck here on the did what I'm saying, Hey,
come on, man, life is great. I'm taking advantage of it.
I hear you that. Man, I play that song over noon,
life ain't so bad, and it ain't so bad at all. Man.

(54:00):
All moving back, so you you you probably make the
playoffs in ninety nine, you beat the Magic, get swept
by the Pacers two thousand, come back strong. You had
to say that he hit up. That hurt me. That
hurt me because I thought I thought we were on
the way. Man, I know, I knew we were gonna

(54:24):
win a championship once we got by the Pacers like
they were thrown. I mean even the year we beat them,
they won Game one, didn't it at our house? And
I'm like, man, here we go again. Man, these dudes, Man,
they had the roughest, toughest team. Man, you know what

(54:44):
I mean, they had the roughest, toughest team you win.
A VP talked to us, what that was like two
thousand one. You remember, I was getting ready they was
getting to trade me to Detroit. I was getting ready
to get traded the year before, and then we came in.
We won ten in a row, and it was like, man,

(55:07):
when you know you're the baddest dude in the world,
like you ain't never get the recognition of being that,
you know. I was always, you know, it was always
something about why I'm not a great It was always
something it's posse has hairs dressed, you know what I mean.

(55:31):
It was always something other than basketball. Count them because yeah,
it was like, damn, finally like they might be, you know,
turning the page on. Because you know, some people say,
I don't give a funk what they say about me,
you know what I mean. I'm like, that ain't true,
you know what I mean, Like like if a dude

(55:52):
call you a child molester or rapists, you don't care,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know,
I got to the point where I was like, damn,
you know what I mean, Like, wow, you know what
I mean. M v P The best player in the
whole world, you know, because I remember leading the league
and stills three years in the row and not even

(56:13):
being honorable mentioned all defensive, you know what I'm saying.
And then Larry Used did it the year after me,
and he was first team All defense. People just don't
want you to win, just you know, thinking they're picking
on you because you are you. You comfortable being you,

(56:33):
you know what I mean, like and and certain people
don't like that, Like it wasn't that I won't conforming
and ship like that. When when when I was dressing
the way I was dressing and stuff like that, I
was dressing like, damn, my filing got some money, I
can wear you know what I'm saying. Like the dudes
from my neighborhood, they would love to wear this right here,

(56:54):
the fresh white teas, the ten x look, the jerseys
I used to go to. I used to go to
Big and Tall in the in the dudes um that
that I played with, Derrek Coleman and all of them.
They used to get mad because they like man Chuck.
Then went to the Big and Tall and bought all

(57:14):
this and bought and bought all the ship and we
ain't got nothing. They ain't got nothing in there for us.
You know what I mean? Just Steve, just living man.
Just wanted to be happy. Man. Just they don't take much,
you know what I'm saying. Just man, my kids, my teammates,
my fans, my friends. Whatever I like to eat, whatever

(57:39):
I like to drink. Man, that's all I want. Man,
You know what I mean. I just want to be
motherfucking happy. Man. God damn man, God Damn Mary J. Blige. Man,
be happy man. That's it man. What's wrong with that? Man?

(58:02):
What's wrong with that? Man? You know what I mean? Like, Man,
we need you on the show. Mary joant me to
cut you up as we sing in the Queen Mary Day.
We need you on the show. That's right. Just just
I mean, and be around, be around the people, man,
that that you love. Man, that's it man, you know
what I mean. What's what's wrong with that? Man? What's

(58:23):
wrong with that? Man? I don't want to go outside
and feel like as soon as I go outside, somebody
gonna shoot me for nothing. And you can't being life
scared to live. I'm not being scared to live, man.
I'm wearing my mask, I put gloves on, whatever I
wash my hands. I do all of that, you know
what I mean. But I gotta all of a sudden,

(58:45):
I gotta walk out of here and be scared for
when when when somebody coughed around me or sneeze. It's
so bad that when we cough, we get scared. We
used to cough a whole like forty or five years old.
I used to cough all the time. I got calling,
I started calling, I getta. I hear people calling. They
as soon as they called, they said, disclaim I was

(59:06):
just smoking week. And it's not It's not funny, but
it's it's funny to me. I'm talking about when when
you're in line, you know, I just heard somebody called them,
you know what I mean? Like yeah, Like, man, what

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Cold Smoke Eligibility restrictions apply. See DraftKings dot com for
more details. So two thousand one MVP season, this is you, guys,
run right here and finally get the revenge against Indiana
three one in the playoffs. Memorable moment which I kind
of thought was mirrored a little bit in this playoffs
this year with with the run that you and Vince had.
We have vins on a couple of months ago and
he talked about that back and forth uh that you

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and you and him had during that playoff run dropping
fifty and just how you of that game? Seven't miss shot?
What was the most rememberable part about that series with him?
Mhm him amazing? People, I think because he played too long,
people forget how fucking amazing Vince? Oh my god, Yo,

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But look who you think was who you think had
the craziest hops ever? Him? You think him right? You
know what's crazy? As much as I want to agree
with you, who you got Trey Egua dolla. Remember young
Aggie was not Bence though I know, I know, I

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know it, don't it is. I don't want to be
politically correct. I don't want to be. I don't want
to because I could trust me that guy right there
that he had the left leg now wasn't the most exciting.
He took the world by story man and his style.

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He just changed the culture. We all know. Mike was
like you know, Mike was different, like Dr j was
Dr Jake. Then Mike came with the whole you know
what I mean, everything else, you know, different, a little different.
And then Vince took it to another level of the
mike that excitement to it, but excitement to it, and

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then that and then his his jumble was so pretty.
His handle was so crazy. First step was crazy. His
first step was so crazy because if you get by
you you know what, you know what's going off that's
gonna happen. I just don't want people to not recognize

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with andre Igu Dolla was or is as far as leaping,
you know what I mean? Like I remember him, you know,
he telling me, man, all you gotta do, Chuck is
work on your legs. Is work on your legs. I'm like, man,
I'm not lifting no weights. Like why you don't want
to live weights, man, because they too damn heavy, you
know what I mean. I don't live weights and they're

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too heavy, you know what I mean? But he being there,
man with his trainer, and I just seen him do
so many things man, like just getting off the floor, man,
like get his head on the room. I remember, remember
when you you were working on throwing, you just throw
it here and he would come from underneath the bobbles
over the team. That then you got to practice that
ship at practice. Just throw it here? You where you

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want me to throw it? Mocking chuck, throw it off.
The back side was the back of the side side
of it. Come underneath that. That left leg was unreal. Man,
his left leg was so crazy. But he can go
off too, but his left there's a one foot. And
that's the person who had a lot of people don't realize,
who had a lot of game, but just always played

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his role wherever he was at. He was never really
asked to go get it, get it, but he could
if you needed to. I think he was count he
was just he was a superstar. He played the superstar
road when I left for a little bit up when
I left. Yeah, he took the cake. You guys, run
into the Lakers in the two thousand one finals, go

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into l A get game one and then another moment
that would have been it still is infamous. But if
social media was back then, when you hit the jumper
on til and stepped over, I mean that still gets
played daily looking back, but not almost twenty years ago.
What do you think about that? I don't like it

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really because I love him. I'm about to say that's
his boy, you know what I mean? Like do you
think tu had braids? Yeah, and he was giving me.
He was giving me so many problems. Man, he was
he was straight dog and he was he was harassing
me so much. He was playing you in practice. Yeah,

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and he was just on me so much. And what's
so crazy, Matt, I don't know how it happened. It's like,
you know, okay, you think a monumental moment with Lebron
when he did that, you know what I mean, But
he probably didn't know he was getting ready to do that,

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you know what I mean, Like the moment and just
the feeling, like when I stepped over him, it was
like I ain't know I did it, and then they
try to get me to mimic the ship years later,
like I don't even know how to do it, you
know what I mean, because it was like I know,
y'all know, you know what I mean. But just for
everybody else that you know that didn't play, you don't

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know when you're gonna do something. You don't know the
emotions in the game or what go on throughout the game.
It can be a coach that piss you off, you
know what I mean, and then you react a certain way,
you know, to basically telling him, yeah, you know what
I mean, Look what I did? You know what I mean?
Like you don't, you don't know, so I don't. I don't, Man,

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I don't even that moment. Yeah it was. It was
dope when you look back on it. But I just
don't like it because like my homeboy one day, he
made me so mad. We was playing. Um was he
did he used to coach Boston or somebody um time
m hm. Anyway, he was in the building and the

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pictures they had the pictures, you know what I mean,
in the in the arena, and my homeboy's gonna tell
him to sign it. Man. I got so mad and
my custom out so bad. Man, Man, I got so mad.
What was it like playing against Shaq and Kobe and
they're prime with them with those Laker teams? Terrible I have, Um,

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I think I have a championship ring on if Shaq
wasn't who he was in that series and it was
crazy is people were saying the Ken Bay had a
great series, But I don't know how you had a
great series if the guy you've gotten averaging thirty and fifteen,
but Shaq had his way with damn near everybody. Then
you know what I mean, especially two thousand and one

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and Cold. That was the first of the three p right,
I was the first one of the second one, the
second of the three, the second one. Remember they were
undefeated in the playoffs until they came in and got
game like. They were just rolling, you know what I mean, running,
and then it was it was just it was just
too much Shock in his prime. And then you got
Kobe and his prime scary damn man, you know what

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I mean. And then all you gotta have is other
guys out there, fish them dudes playing their roles. They defense.
Who was Homie Hory but pretty boy Fox, pretty Rick
Fox out there. And then all y'all gotta do is

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make wide open shots. You're getting millions of dollars to
just get the shots. Them three throws. How you going
to be Kobe getting on the attention, shot getting all attention.
You can't double Shock, And if you don't double them,
it's a barbecue chicken. You gotta double Kobe because if
you don't, that's and it might be three or two. Yeah,

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it's gonna be three a lot of time, and it's
gonna be three a lot of you know what I mean.
So it's like, then you got fish just relent his
on D. You know what I mean? He playing hard
at hell on D was the definitely George B. Shaw.
I know Jr. Riders on that team, but he was
just in street club. Yeah, Ji Joan playing but it

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was it was somebody else George too, Yeah, but Devin
George did it, did it. It was tough to get
the team you got there was. It was impressive. In
a show two thousand sixteen, you get the call that
you're going to the Hall of Fame. I know you cried,
But what was going through your head initially, just after

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all the ship you had been through nearly the world,
never even knowing Allen I Prison, to go into Georgetown,
to becoming the number one pick there, all the accolades
you accumulated across your career, to get that finally get
that nod. You've spoken about it in two thousand one.
I've been the baddest motherfucker. I finally got recognized. And
then the all costs. When I heard the phone ring
ship might sound arrogant, cocky, I knew it. I knew it.

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I said this, I said this it and then I
just hugged her and you know, we cried and it
was like I did it, you know what I mean,
Like I did it. All we want to do is
make it to the biggest stage and dance. All we
really want. Like people talk about, you know, my most
memorable moment, it was getting drafted. But then something like

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that is not one layer of icing on the cake,
you know, a hundred layers of icing on the cake,
you know what I mean. And it's like yeah, yeah, Matt, yeah,
Steve Man, she just says, ain't better than Ai. Man,
he's better than Ai. Well, my homeboy in the Hall
of Fame. And then what such your sense is gonna

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be in the Hall of fame. I we had this conversation,
you know what I mean, Like you know, the barber
shops and the beauty salons. Is like, man, you can
say what you want to say about homeboy, but here
hall of famers. You know what I mean, you could
talk about man. Man he shot too much. Man, he
he turned the ball over too much. He he wasn't

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a team player, all right, man, Well, ain't too many dudes.
Hall of famers. Man, what do you do? What you've done?
Whatever you done, and what did you do? How good
of you did you make? What did you do? Yeah?
You got come from your church league team? Yeah? Man,
who you play for? Right now? Well? Are you talking
about this Hall of Famer? Man? I get in that.

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I get in that realm when I'm watching games. And
that's why I'll never be a commentator, because I don't
I don't like, I don't like talking ship about nobody.
I look at it, like, how can you say an
NBA players some ship made on the highest level days,

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what do he would do to us? But they they
they're great to you? But yeah, yeah, yeah, Like like
do you know what he would do the last person
on the bench with a do you know he would
do in in the gym? You know what I mean?
On the wreck league court or you know, just a

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pick up game? Do you know what I to do
to you? For the world? There's only four hundred in
the whole entirely world, four hundred fifty four fifty and
the whole telling that all the time, man. And that's
I mean. And that's why me and Jack are really
in this media space now because I get tired of
hearing people who never accomplished nothing like you can disagree
or not like someone's game, but just the form of
disrespect that's not needed. Like you cannot like something, you

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don't have to disrespect it. And it's crazy that the
amount of disrespect what comes from my fucker's who've never
done nothing, not them the reason why you talk about
sports because you weren't good enough to play it. They
wake up in the morning moving their closed basket, but
they can't throw a sock in the basket, you know.
But they want to talk about somebody not making a
shot of that. Listen, that's crazy. I know this. God,

(01:12:15):
it's one guy that I want you to I'm looking
what Camera'm gonna looking at you. I'm supposed to look
at one guy. I know you know who I'm talking to.
I know, I know you hate me, and trust me.
Trust me. I don't hate nobody, Yes I do, I
hate you. It's one guy that you know I'm talking

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to that they're talking about right now. I know to
one guy. Know that it ain't who you think it is.
I don't have I don't I love I got love
of Skip. I got love a Skip. So you know,
I know people think it's Skip. It's not you. You
know what I mean. But it's a guy to do
exactly what you do, and just trust me the way

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you hate me, motherfucker, I hate you too, you know
what I mean. The feeling is so mutual. And and
you don't help me, and I don't hope you And
I'm fine. I'm fine out here regardless of how much
you talk about me. All right, all right, just know
what I'm talking about, and I ain't And I'm not
mentioning your name because I only want the whole world

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to even know that God them and I give you
that type of love. But you know, you know, you know,
you would not know what's going on. Oh, and you
and your daddy, you ain't your dad, both the both
of you, both of you, both, both of you, both
of you. When I come in, I want two and
three to bothe for both you ain't you, ain't your

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daddy and and and and the world can figure it out.
But I ain't saying your name. And you did Hall
of Fame class um obviously resting peace star brother Koble're
gonna get to him in a second. But k g
uh duncan what was it like playing with those guys?
I know you've had battles with all of them, Okay,

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Tim was one of the greatest teammates I ever had,
and I played with him in Me and Tim was
the only ones to go after someone's going on overseas
or something, and me and Tim was the only ones
that ended up going. The original team didn't go so
put together the whole team. Le Bron was on the team,

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mellow the way, but they was, you know, you know
what I mean. And I just remember Tim telling me
because we had a hard time was getting I asked
with and I had um. I remember just Tim telling me, Man,
play like you play, you know, play like the past
you were to us when we were you know what

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I mean. Don't be out here trying to play another
way because we're playing with a you know, a whole
bunch of Olympians, you know what I mean. And I
just remember him being such a great teammate. I remember
m we were in our dorm, I will sleep and
I woke up and I had peanut butter between my

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feet and all in my hands and the motherfucker tickling
my taking my face. Yeah, and I slapped my face,
peanut butter and ship everywhere. And I ain't gonna tell
you the story that happened after that. I let that
person if they want to tell that story, I let
them tell it. Tim snitched on who did it? I
told you and he gave it up. And trust me,

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something happened, something happened at that. You've asked him about
it or you asked the person that that that the altercation?
Huh man did it? Answer? I have the answer, yes, no,
Jim said, Jim. You know you know um dudes that

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that know me, don't call me, Alan will call me. AI.
People about Tim though, Tim is not scary, no at all.
He's not a scary guy. He know do the UFC
fighting all that now. Tim has always been an action junkie.
He is totally obviously what people think here know, not

(01:16:25):
scary atoll And you said KG official block family official
block family man. My girl When me and my girl
get into it, she always she don't never you know,
because I say, I don't like the word real because
I think it's fake, you know what I mean? But
she has say why you got a tattooed on you?

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You know I got the realist tattooed on my back.
But so authentic, man, he's so authentic. I gotta use
the word real. Just real, man, just just just he
just cage all the time, you know what I mean.
And then and and he used to confuse me because
he would say, what's up to you in the beginning
of the game, and then after that, you fuck you?

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Especially at the jump ball he talked to himself he
might not shake your hand, none of that, none of that,
you know what I mean. Like, look, I couldn't believe.
I couldn't believe. I just remember one game with Keith
van Horn and he was killing Keith, but he was
what he was saying to yeah, like after he scored

(01:17:33):
on him, what are he was saying? And I'm like, yo, man,
I'm and I'm and I'm honestly I'm looking at the
referees like let this go. Yeah, you can just he can.
He can talk like this. He got You're right, he
got away. He want a person to talk track all
time and got away with it. No, because because the person,
the young bull that reminds me of him is Westbrook.

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Because Westbrook language if when you do certain stuff it's outrageous,
like when you get a one or he dunk or something.
He just and I'm like when I was playing, like
if I said the word motherfucker, or nigga like that. Man, what, Yeah,

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you're gonna have a short leah, you know what I mean.
And I'm like KG was just vicious, but he was
so bad his mid range game. I mean he'll get
a bit off the glass and push it all the
way up court at seven foot, I mean, could do everything. Man,
could do everything out there on the basketball court. Man,

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you know what I mean. I played against him in
the Nike All American Game and he was just his
energy and everything was the same way. He's a Hall
of Fame, I mean for that's first ballot, right, I
mean rightfully. So he was so dope, you know what
I mean. And and you remember KG was crazy when

(01:19:07):
all the fools was grazy. Yeah, she ye, I mean
I mean them them All Star games with them four
man during that Aaron crazy. Come on, Mann, I love

(01:19:29):
you KG man right. And and and congratulations man, yes, yes,
congratulations absolutely Before we get to yeah, before we get
to code, you wrote a letter for the players troupe
and I'm gonna read it, uh titled the Code. It
was like heavyweight fighters beating the hell out of one another,
and then the bell was nothing but loving respect, greatness,

(01:19:51):
needed company. We needed each other. Mike needed Prince like
Prince needed Mike. Tyson needed holy feel like holy Field
needed Tyson. Talk to us about your relationship wait Hope,
and what it was like going to war with him
over all these years. I didn't have a personal relationship
with him. But you know how killers respect killers. You

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know what I mean? And that's and that's what it was.
He knew who I was, I know who he is.
He gave me that push. I gave it to him.
I love the stories that people give me that were teammates,
that were friends. I love the stories. I wouldn't say
it bother me, but um, I wish I could have
had a better relationship with him. Um as far as

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how great other people said he was, I want that
energy around me. He was just Yeah, he was the ultimate.
He was the ultimate competitive man. Like you're lucky six
eight six six. That's what he always That's what that
man said. When I heard that, it made me feel

(01:20:59):
so good. It because the respect that that he gave me.
It was like, you know, just like Max. You know,
I watched First Take, and you know I listened to
Steve and Max go at it. A lot of people
don't rock with Max. But I love Max because Max
Max always take up and me don't. I don't like

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the other guy, home boy. Okay, let's get back on track.
I would go all the way off, all right. But
he said something like, if Kobe and somebody had a baby,
you know, it would be me, you know whatever. And

(01:21:41):
you know, just for people to put me in the
same sentence with cod just just make me feel good
about my grind, my mom, my family, my teammates, y'all,
my homeboys. Just it's just it's a tribute to y'all,
you know what I mean. For a month sucker to

(01:22:02):
put me in the same category as Kobe Bryant, Like,
that's so dope to me. Is this story true? Our
story that I heard that you landed in l A
and Kobe picked you up he lacked range roll. Yeah,
he picked you up because he wanted He just wanted
to chop it up with you. And after y'all go
out to eat or whatever you decided to go out,

(01:22:23):
he tell your ass, I'm dropping you off to the hotel.
This is my stop. I'm going to work out, I'm
going to the gym. Is that true story? He took
me out to eat? And I said, what you're getting
ready to do? I'm going to the club, and he said,
I'm going to the gym. And that was him. That
was that was that, that's that's that's what made I

(01:22:46):
mean that greatness. That's that's where that greatness came from
because his work ethics was just. But I guarantee you
it's probably a hand full of people on the other
team that he was playing that he did that that
he can't because you know, Kobe, he ain't talking to
no to do the game, damn sure, not about another team.
So I'm just saying that show respect. He hap up nobody. Yeah,

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he was studying the whole time, was saying, oh bullshit,
that's how he was. He was. He was a sick
oh when it came to that kind of ship, like
trying to find any kind of advantage or angle he
could possibly get. Like I got stories when I got
a chance to play with him, and just to see
what he would do to study people, study films. We're

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flying to Spain one time too, in the preseason. I've
told the story before, but he had I thought he
was over there wrapping everyone was sleep. I went over
to talk to him. I was about to talk to
ship to him about rapping, but he was over there
with a piece of paper, like thirty different basketball courts
on and he's just like, I know that I'm gonna
draw the least three people. So I got the guy
guarding me, the guy that's coming to double and in
the help side. So I'm over here looking to see

(01:23:52):
where you l O Ron, Steve Fish are all going
to be open at when I'm guarding my three people.
And he had like thirty different courts of this where
you're gonna be. This is where l was gonna. I'm
just like, what the fuck? Like, why are we flying?
Like everyone else knocked out? I couldn't sleep. But it
was just like little things like that. And then I
would go to Orange County and work out with him
and we're on the track before the sun comes up.
And then we left white so hard that all right,

(01:24:14):
let's go shoot them like fun, I can't lift my arms.
You want me to go shoot a basketball right now?
Like his grind was sickning sickning. Yeah, that that was
his thing. Man Rest in peace to coach, Rest in peace,
man definitely rest in peace. Mount Rushmore. He on that
round on that on that and on that Mount Rushmore

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up dead. That's I mean, my favorite. You know, it's
always gonna be Mike, you know what I mean. Kobe,
you know what I mean, My my one and two,
you know what I mean. And Lebron, you know what
I mean, just so so great. But with Mike and
Kobe did to me mentally, you know you did everybody else,

(01:24:57):
you and everybody else. Yeah, and my mind sucked all
of us. I'll just tell you, Bron, you got Mike one,
code to Brown three, Yeah, I got I got Brown three. Ken,
Bron hop Kobe in your eyes, finishing out his career
in any kind of aspect. No, I'm not as great
as he is. I'm just not gonna do it, just

(01:25:18):
because when Lebron was talking about me, you know, saying
like he wanted to be me, he didn't want to
be Mike. And it ain't no it's no because you
know how much he loved Mike, So it ain't it
ain't no disrespect, you know what I mean. It's just
I just I just love Mike so much, and Kobe
is the closest thing to me, to Mike and me,

(01:25:39):
and then Lebron is just Brons down Lebron James like
he's in a class by himself, you know what I mean?
And then you know shot and I just yeah, I
know how I feel about Steph Kerry, but that motherfucker
Dame Dollar, he feels step for the same way about
you though, I tell you that you had him on

(01:26:00):
the show about you away now it's dope. It was
definitely to see his reaction to see who step is today,
but then to see how it almost he went back
to a child when he said, you know when you
put him in in your your top five starting five,
like he said, he should have seen the league. You
should have seen his face, bro, he what you mean
you think I don't want this? This is my ship too. Now,

(01:26:27):
I don't think I don't watch it all. Every single
one ain't gonna continue to do it because it's the best.
You don't get no relig this. So you're credited obviously
as you should be, as someone who bridges the gap
between culture and sports. From like what we touched on earlier,
way you dressed your tattoos, your braids, your do rags.

(01:26:49):
What do you think about from what? And and really
because I think they started the NBA dress code because
you're right. What what do you think about from where
it was into what it is now? About fashion? I
love it, you love I love it, And I don't

(01:27:10):
tell nobody how to dress. Man, leave people alone and
let people dress and be who they are spressed themselves.
People be like what and be comfortable? Be comfortable. You're
gonna tell me what to wear to go play basketball? Right?
You know what I mean? Like? How are you gonna
tell me what to wear to go to work? You

(01:27:33):
know what I mean? When when you know I can,
I can understand if you're a lawyer something like that.
You ain't come to court with a sweats don't you
know what I mean? I understand that. But man, I'm
just I'm coming to play basketball. I'm coming to be comfortable.
I'm coming to get ready, and I want to be cool.

(01:27:53):
You know what I mean. I want to be cool
for the people to see me. I want to be cool.
You know, when I leave a crib and my girl
think I'm cool. I want to be cool from when
my teammates see me and see me looking cool. You
know what I mean? Let me be fresh man. Don't
have me looking like everybody else? Look right? You know

(01:28:15):
what I mean, don't have me looking like everybody else. Look.
Me and the Kim Bay don't dress it like. You
know what I'm saying. It's still shopping with ard. We
just talking about the Walkers talk, don't We don't. We
don't dress it like. But but but me and the
Kim Bay play the same. Shopped at something the same,

(01:28:35):
everybody shopped the carry got the Walkers. Yeah, we all
had walker Yeah. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir. Me
and the kim Bay we play the same, you know
what I mean. Me and Aaron McKee, we don't dress
I like me and Eric Snow don't dress it like,
but we play the same. Ship. We played hard, you

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know what I mean. But we don't supposed to this
ain't that ain't the all thing ship Aaron McKee don't today.
You don't dress like a I. You don't dress like Ananboson.
He dressed like Aaron McKay. What shout out. You also
made it fashionable on the court. Um most people don't know,

(01:29:19):
like the sleeve that you wore to help you're you're
protecting them elbows. But then that became a fashion statement.
I mean, although headbands were worn before you, you made
the headband dope again the Cliff Robinson Rest in peace,
Uncle Cliff. The headbands are trends. You've done. You signed
a lifelong deal with Reebok um, So that's dope continuing

(01:29:41):
to drop shoes. What what has that relationship been like?
And how important has the Reebok family been to you
over your career? I love them so much because even
with new um ownership, they maintained the same relationship with me,
you know what I mean. They understand that I'm reboked.
And when you think about Rebok, that's all you think

(01:30:02):
about is Alan Ives. I don't care how many people,
you know what I mean. I don't care how many
people come and joined the company or whatever. Man, I
already know that I'm rebuked, and the relationship has basically
maintained even with my retirement. And that's what I think

(01:30:22):
is so awesome. I think that's so dope. The guys
that I work with, Alan Brown, beautiful guy. We came.
I know, we've been business spart this for years, but
we're homeboys now. And that's cool, you know what I mean?
Like we're homeboys, like I call him. We talked about
other things beside business um, but yeah, matt Man. I

(01:30:45):
love rebok. They always stuck by me. I love money,
so they make me love him bore. Yeah, and uh,
we didn't put this on here, but we have a
begging segment that we're gonna get started up one episode two,
season two and read about give y'all watching, because I
know y'all watching. It's a lot of flavors questions that's

(01:31:06):
out there. I need all of them, every last every
last one of them. Okay, Mo just left so I couldn't.
I couldn't get it to him in time. But reboke,
I know y'all watching, all right. He took a picture
recently on this page where he's somewhere in the rebox
store and they got all these different colors questions. Okay,
we need those right here, baby those Yeah. We're both

(01:31:30):
fourteen too, So you heard it from the one closing out. Um,
Like I said, obviously, you bridge the gap between culture music. Obviously,
what was it like when you just still up to
this day hear your name dropped in songs over and
and who was the favorite name dropped? That was the
coldest commercial ever? To me? You answered it? That was it? Well? Yeah,

(01:31:55):
you answered you answered it? Um, No, him, but like
he's he's in my top five favorite rappers that that
that meant a whole lot to mew that come about.
We need to recreate that five. They just they just
um they wanted to do. They wanted to do what

(01:32:17):
we wanted to do. What they wanted to do, something
different than they were always open, we walk always open
to letting me be me, you know what I mean.
They don't try to, you know, market me or promote
me as no one other than who I am. And
that's why the relationship is, you know, outstanding the way

(01:32:38):
it is. Red Man, mm hmmmmm red Man, red Man?
Is he he's in my top five? To give me
your top five? Like the rapper White Iris, I like, Um,
I like that song shout out post what what what? What? What?
Bothers me? When I do my top five? Is I

(01:32:59):
leave out somebody? I leave out? I leave out great.
What I would say without naming a top five is
the rap game is just basically like the NBA when
lebron Lee, you know what I mean, it's in good hands.
Just so much talent coming through. I mean, little baby
just came out of nowhere and we all like yo,

(01:33:22):
and he started in his music. Guy, he started to
put substance in his music too. That's why he really
took off. You know what I mean. You know what
I mean. It's dudes, it's I mean, it'sn't man. The
world is in good hands, man, you know what I mean.
We're gonna get through this evil ship is going to
carry us off. Yeah, we're gonna be like I always
talked about. I told my sister yesterday, my nephew gonna

(01:33:44):
be great, and he's gonna be awesome, but he gonna
have an awesome as motherfucker uncle. That's old and ship.
You know, my daughters and my son gonna have kids,
and they're gonna have a most awesome granddaddy that they
love being around, you know what I mean, Just love
being around their granddaddy, Like I used to love being

(01:34:04):
around my granddaddy, and like I used to love being
around my grandma. I'm going to fun granddaddy. When when
they can go funk with their homeboys, their homes they
want to go funk with the cool ass granddad. Like
your granddad ain't cool like this right here. You ain't
know Steve Jackson type motherfucker. You know what I mean?
You ain't know Matt Bonds type. Motherfucker you understand, you

(01:34:25):
know what I mean? Like your granddaddy ain't cool like this,
you know what I mean? Like at coach funeral, his
daughter said, they asked him like I mean, I asked
her in class, like the type of stuff do you
hear at home? And she was like, I can't tell
you that. You know what I mean? Yes, you can,

(01:34:47):
all right, motherfucker jackass, and on and on and on
and on, because that's who he was, you know what
I mean. That's that's just how we talk. Ain't no
malice intended, That's just us. We just we just we
just asked. We love life, man, And we talked to
Win and we talked. Now we're getting the meeting, damn it.

(01:35:10):
We can't get in them and that motherfucker and talk
like we're supposed to talk. But when it's rent, when
it's just us and we're letting our hat down, let
it go, man. We're talking man. We talked, what are
your thoughts on the NBA and the bubble. I didn't
think I would like it. I love it. I love it, right,
I ain't even think I would like it. I love it.
I love it. It's the NBA. I'm damn show saying

(01:35:34):
what I want to see. I'm seeing what I want
to see, the great games, great competition. Who are some
of your favorite players to watch right now? And you
put me on the spot again. I love Hawaii No
Bron Brown, um A d Manum. I had so much
fun watching Um, Little jama Jamal Murray. I love watching

(01:35:58):
Jamaal and little Homie Mitchell. I love Donovan, Jason Tatum,
don't Killer, don't. Yeah, you got a lot of Kobe
on them too. Yeah, you can tell. You can tell
he know I like because I teugh he is and
remind me of x No see you a Hooper. That's

(01:36:20):
all we all minds. You know, you know he's not
a big name in the NBA, but you know who
played just like him. He played for the Knicks. Tray
Tray Burke bro He if you don't look if you
just look like with a glad, he looked just like that.
His body movements, everything, everything. Yeah, he was getting busy.

(01:36:43):
He might have got up man and uh, what's homeboy
name man for Dallas? Luca? What something is wrong with him?
I love Luka so much. I'm gonna show you the
text after they lost and he was getting bullied, I
Carrick call I said, Rick Man, Luca live man, We're
gonna come ride whether you need man, Luca nice man

(01:37:07):
man and and and and know what I I started
paying attention to coaches more. Would you have a coach?
Mhm Never. I can't. Um. I don't think I can
all Bush All everything's out. You could be Alan, obviously
you can be Bubba. Would you coach to Steven Sex? No,
I think that coaches are. I know they're great leaders

(01:37:31):
of their family because if you can lead guys that
come from wall walks of life, all walks of life,
you know what I mean, And and and get them
to come together for one common goal and you make
less than them and they respect you. And yeah, and
the great just can't do that. No, like you when

(01:37:53):
you when you grab Papa Vich you have a god
given talent. First of all, you know what he talked
talking about. But then when you can, when you can.
Last story, Coach Brown called me in the office one
day and he said, I'm gonna kick your ass. I

(01:38:14):
ain't did nothing. Yeah, I'm on time, said just bear
with me, when in practice destroyed me. Every good player
I made, said something bad about it when I turned
it over, went crazy on me when I won't in
the right spot, went crazy on me else. But everybody
looking at me, Matt, Like everybody looking at me like,

(01:38:39):
you know, because they used to me be in the
hot head. I'm gonna flip out, like what's wrong with you?
Eric snow Chuck. Just chill, he just on one the
day Blue, Just chill, He just on one the day.
Man went crazy on me. Man, all practice long, I
go in the locker room sitting in my joint by myself,

(01:39:01):
crying like a motherfucker, Like why did he do that
to me today? You know what I mean? Because I
felt embarrassed and you know all that, and I was
hurt because you know, coach, my man, you know what
I mean, Like, why did you go crazy on me today?
Like what did I do to you? Trainer came Man
got me coach once winning there and he was like

(01:39:22):
thank you, like you mean thank you like you supposed
to be saying, why you go crazy on my ass?
He was like, now I can coach, Like now I
can't nobody to say ship, Yeah, I can't. No, can't
nobody say nothing? Now if I can go crazy on you.
I wish one of them would go crazy or act up,

(01:39:44):
And I was like, you, brilliant motherfucker. That was Phil
Jackson Code. He would treat Code like anyone else. He
would talk to him like the fourteenth manager. The fucking
ball too much path, you know what I mean? Like
and once you, like you said once, you could do
that to your best player, what can anyone else. It's
been times with Tony to come down, turn the ball
over twice, they'll call the time out and he'll go

(01:40:05):
straight at him, blaming everything on Tim. I'm everything. Timy
got nothing to do with it. You need to get
these guys ready to play Tony turnover because you're not
getting them fired up. Everything is Tim fault everything. And
like you say, when he's going off on Tim, when
I come out of the game, when he take me
out from making a mistake, I can't say nothing. Now
I'm in line. Now I didn't I bought in. Now

(01:40:26):
I'm starting. You know what I'm saying. But he doing
it for a reason. They see stuff that we don't
see in ourselves. That evil genius, uh I said that
evil genius man. Yes, A couple more things. Who you
got in the finals, we go, so man, I just won't.
I want ludu In. I want Ludin the title Living
Pepper Lou y'all's town thing. We had a little early on,

(01:40:48):
but we have Remember the time we had a little
on the bus and need drink all them up. We
didn't carry us. I don't want to start him drinking.
Motherfucker did not drink nothing. I hadn't drinking. Man, that
man drinking Chris down. Man, I remember, I mean I remember, man,
Come on, man, rookie, I was just big home. I

(01:41:09):
love him. Man. Now you got his own city on
the map, Blue Willville and allowing, Yeah it's on the map.
But I mean he's shape. It's the man to shape them.
I'm looking at it. I'm looking at him like look
what I created, straight up, you know what I mean?
And then straight buckets, straight buck I love him. I
just wanted I want him to win so bad. I

(01:41:30):
want him to win, Like, yeah, I want him to win.
Good call. Last two questions. A player that in your
era that you wish you could have played with, chat
a player today you wish you could have played with.
It was Lebron in my era. Kind of the sake
of it. No, alright, no, all right, now, um, I

(01:41:54):
love him. Play with your honest. I thought it was
say Katie. Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, I love it.
Play with Katie. I'm telling you, I love you honest.
Now I love talking about I love you honest. I'm
tripping because I ain't seen Katie in a minute. So yeah, yeah,

(01:42:15):
so I'm tripping, I'm trimpling, I'm tripping, I'm trippling. I'm tripping.
I'm tripping hard. Yeah, yeah, see you you know anyway
talking about Yeah, yeah, hell, but no dispect to honest.
I love yes, love you. That's why I wanted to
go to Golden State. Yeah, so we'll be ugly. Yeah, man,

(01:42:38):
I love you. Go to that man, That's why I
want him to go. Man, I want him to go
to Golden State. Man, even though no one could stop you,
who you felt in your career, Guarden, you the best
Marcus Banks. Wow. Yeah, because the video you're talking about,
I'm on there and I didn't fall. He made me stumble. Yeah.
What about gardening for anyway? Right? Castle ship baby gardens,

(01:43:01):
guardens beating and beat Guarden somebody I was guardening, bro?
What was that guarding for anyway, And you know what
I did? Bed? Ever tell you what I You know,
I used to flop to get two fouls on BD,
to get him off me, and to get Wesley on me.
Like I all all I had to do is running
the b D. He was too big out running to him. Flop,
you know what I mean. He couldn't stand that ship.

(01:43:22):
I get two founds on him, Go set your ass
down and get off of me. Because Bed got d me.
He could do it all. Yeah, I tell people, man,
if he could have stayed healthy, he could have been
one of the greatest eff Yeah, no question question. Yeah
what was Bed knees was right? And it's bad Bed
was bad at doing work. What I always wanted to

(01:43:44):
know this real quick? What's the story behind? Were talking
about practice? Okay, okay, easy word. First of all, we
went out in the first round. The next year after
going to the finals, went out in the first round too,
went out in the first round. Best friend just got killed.

(01:44:05):
That's what I thought. It wouldn't have had nothing to
do with basketball the whole time. He didn't. Best friend
just got killed. I was struggling with, you know the
fact that because our expectations after going to the finals.
You don't supposed to go out in the first round,
you know what I mean. So I'm dealing with the
Philadelphia media, which is brutal, brutal, and my man just

(01:44:28):
got killed. And honestly, I might be mistaken, but I
think that they hadn't caught the motherfucker that did it.
I was dealing with a whole bunch of ship at
the time because with the people not catching them yet,
something happened to him who they don't look at. So

(01:44:48):
you know, I was worrying about that. That whatever reporter
was just kept asking me about practice situation, and I
just lost it, you know what I mean, if I could,
if I could take it back, you know what I mean.
I had the opportunity to walk away. I had opportunity
to walk away from the podium. All PR person was saying,

(01:45:11):
you know, tapping me, like hey, come on, come on,
come on, and I was like, no, I ain't going nowhere.
I don't know if if you remember that on the joint,
I'm like, no, I ain't going nowhere. Another reason was
they were talking about trading me and I had just
came from a meeting with the general manager and coach Brown,
and it was like, You're not going awhere. But I

(01:45:32):
was dealing with my kids saying, you know, daddy while
my class and maasing my teachers saying tell your daddy,
don't leave this that in the third So it was
effecting lot. Yeah, it was affecting my house too, you
know what I mean. So I was happy as hell
that I was going to the press conference to say
I wasn't going nowhere. But they didn't care anything about that.

(01:45:55):
All they were talking about was practice and the rest
is history. As he said, you, I just I went crazy.
And then the crazy part about it is everybody think
it's funny, but me, people that knew what she was
going through at the time, they ain't going funny to them,
you know, you know what I mean, But like to

(01:46:16):
everybody else, And and then and then and then, like
I'll be out on the street and somebody coming to
me and be like practice practice, and I'll be I
look at him like is that all you can come
up with? Man? You can't be a little bit more
original than that, you know what I mean? Like all
the things that I did in my life, I'm a
Hall of Famer, man. All you can think about is practice, man.
You know what I'm saying, Like in the same thing

(01:46:38):
with the Jordan's, I'm shaking Jordan's like I don't want
to hear nothing. But is that all I mean? I
don't shoot a million people, man, And all y'all can
think about is the Jordan crossovers or the time step
over pull the shots up there like he was fronn
to strap up. He shorts like this, like like he
just knew the cross was coming. He put his hand,

(01:47:00):
put it back. He missed it the first time. He's
gonna again. But that's how you catch it. Those did
That's how you catch it. Though. You gotta, you gotta,
you gotta have your hand down. He had his hand
on the first waiting on it, and you gave it
a second as soon as he pulled it back. Come in, Mike, Oh,
you ain't never seen nothing like this, this that young
boy ship. You know what I mean? Yeah, you ain't

(01:47:22):
seen nothing. You ain't seen nothing like that. And then
I heard I heard um, you know, Phil Jackson, Um
call him out. You know, he called him out on
the switch. Come in, man, now, I'm gonna try my
move on the best person that I ever seen play
the game twice. Now I'm gonna see if this move

(01:47:42):
is real, and I'm like, oh, ship and that and
that the craziest part. I didn't know what I did
until yes, Ben and and everybody else talking about it.
I hit him with that thing twice, all star as
all though that that little checked out though a little

(01:48:03):
definitely checked out. Man. We want to thank you. We
appreciate you. I want to thank y'all. And then let
me say this, you two motherfucker's is why I'm here
in New York because I love Showtime so much. I
love the idea of them want me to be a
part of something that they got going on. But you
two guys, man, I love y'all, man, because y'all love me.

(01:48:25):
You know what I mean, and I know it, and
y'all show it. I know it ain't no fake love.
I know it's real love. I know it's genuine. I
could not be here for y'all. I couldn't. I couldn't.
I just I couldn't do it. You know what I mean.
I got in the car. You know what I mean.
I got in the car and drove here. You know
what I mean, because you know, I just wanted y'all

(01:48:49):
to be able to say, this is my man, and
y'all wanted him. He funk with us. This hard that
I can that I can, I can bring him in it.
It's hard getting that dude. Man. Y'all know who he is.
Y'all know who it is. You know what I mean,
what with us? Just to love he got for us,

(01:49:12):
Appreciate that he coming, Yeah, he coming. But we just
want to thank you. Like I said, too often, you
never know when it's time. And everything you've done for
us as as fans, as friends, for the world, you've
been a true blessing man. Just to watch your growth,
your bumps, your ups, your downs, and you've always, like
you said, to be any stay true to yourself. And
I think that's why people love you so much. I

(01:49:34):
got a chance to play with Code, I got a
chance to play with Shack. I've never seen fan fair
when we go to different cities, like the love you get.
And I just think that not even so much for it,
I mean obviously because of your basketball, because of the
man you are in the heart, you having people love
and respect who you really are. You never never flip
the script on nobody. We appreciate that, bro, appreciate love. Man.

(01:49:56):
You know that you know that that's a rap y'all
a swarm. Like you said, we got him. We hope
you enjoyed this episode, man. Check it out a Showtime
Basketball YouTube and the I Heart platform. All the smoke.

(01:50:23):
Two world champions. They happen to be twin brothers, while
the ingredients are there. Two guys who love to sit
down to their punts and throw that firepower. I'm not
scared of nobody, and I'm definitely not scared of some
when I'm talking. There's no one in the division that
can beat me. There's no one in the division that
strong as me. It would definitely deliver a statement the

(01:50:48):
powers for real. We would get a chance to let
everyone in the world see the great things that me
and my twin brother has drunk in the squarter box. Try.
You know, the same card gives us a nearergy. We
want to be charged, we want to be at our best.
We're gonna both meet in the middle of the ring
and we're gonna let our hands go. Let the best

(01:51:09):
men win. They are boxing and they pound for palm.
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