Baron Davis | Ep 88 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball - All The Smoke

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

(00:20):
back to another dish to all the Smoke. Brother, are
you I'm good man? Yourself couldn't be better? It couldn't
be better. Yes, we gotta go with today. We've been
asking for this man. We've been asking for this man
and he just popped up on us today unexpected and
blessed us. And he's still looking forwards Weed Baron Davis,

(00:42):
boom Diesel, my dogs. What's up? Bro? This is the
dumbest show. Well, I just want to give you roses.
Y'all doing the damn thing and motherfucker's out here. You
need to pay attention because this is like some new ship,
you know what I mean? And y'all really get into
the hardest ship asking like I watched your motherfucker's go

(01:02):
from like can't you even read? You know what? That
dropped out of school? You know what I mean? No,
but you graduated and dropped out and he never went
to school and sow the sea. How to be able
to do this? Man? It's like this is my favorite shop.
In turn be at the studio back to back. This
is the one. Right he went to school, but I

(01:25):
didn't go to school. And he got a degree and
he went to class, you know what I mean. But
he just like the once he was done with school,
he just like, funk it. I'm I don't want nothing.
By was crazy? What was one thing you took from?
Really just like get back to being who I wanted
to be, you know what I mean, and like learn

(01:45):
to appreciate what I have, Appreciate the time that I
got with my kids and ship like that. And then
I think I would say, like on a macro standpoint,
it's like I'm looking at this world and I'm looking
at black people, and I'm like, yo, we got an
opportunity to like actually be who we are supposed to

(02:06):
be in our generation. Got a chance to pioneer that ship.
And it started with this young man right here, and
I'm just so proud of him for that. So it
was just like he set the standard. And then you know,
I'm like, fucking let's we gotta figure it out. I mean,
what was your thought when you've seen I mean this, dude,
you know, our brother led the biggest protests in the
history of our country, sights without sixteen countries, eighteen countries.

(02:30):
What were your thoughts when you're seeing this dude on TV?
I was praying for him. I was praying for him.
I was like, yeah, you found like I was praying
for him, and I remember I came was like dog
and mounted that this is this is your thing? You
feel what I'm saying, like, this is like this your
calling homie, and like, can't nobody take that ship away?
Because we've been through worse ship, you know what I mean,

(02:52):
who's like more forgiving, right, who's more at peace with himself?
And that peaceful guy? So go out there and walk, bro,
I'm gonna be are praying for you, you know what
I mean. I'm gonna be here trying to figure out
how to make all this ship move on the back end,
oh my end, you know what I mean? It was
hella inspired. I was like, Yo, you're gone, You're enough

(03:12):
the priest good. Imagine that that'd mean dope? I mean
obviously you know, fuscile justice is something we've been in.
You made a very hard felt post the other day
about the Asian hate and how it needs to stop.
What are your thoughts? Talk Like I said, as as
a black community feel that we have a chance to

(03:33):
advance right now. But so at the same time, there's
stuff that brings us back down to reality daily, such
as these random hate cries between you know, people abusing
elder Asians, people abusing the Latino uh you know, uh
street workers. What are your thought with all that stuff? Man?
I just think that for us and where we're at,
like it's time for us to like come together and

(03:54):
bring people with us, right. And so when I made
that statement, it's like I got Asian homies, who are
my brothers, you know what I mean? We all got
Asian homies and Asian home girls, and like families that
like to care of me, you know what I mean.
And companies I invested in and I know what they're
trying to do. And you know, I was a part
of this Stop to Hate. Our hate is a virus,

(04:16):
the campaign, and and to me it just really meant
something because those are people, right, and the stereotypes that
we've been perpetuating against blacks and Mexicans, blacks and Asians,
you know what I mean, Like it's time for us
to say, nah, we ain't going for that ship no more.
Like these are folks, you know what I mean? And

(04:37):
these are people and that and that's why I stood
up because I feel like, fuck it, if they're gonna
do that, then let's all go ball. You know. I
am like, all right, let's all go gang up and
now what's happening? You know what I'm saying. So you're
really all in the same circle. I mean, any kind
of minority, we in the same kind of fight, know,
I mean, so they know we might as well. Yeah,
but I always say the minority. If the majority, man,

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you feel me, they label us the minority to try
to keep us on, trying to keep us boxes were
definitely the majority. Tell us about your upbringing South Central
Grandma was very influential, influential in your life. Tell us
about your bringing. Man, just you know, grew up kind
of like the worst way, you know what I mean.
I grew up the worst way, but also the best way.

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I was trying to explain to somebody. It was like
like I didn't have nothing, but I did not not
half without, you know what I mean, Like I had
everything I needed and I love, but like I didn't
have that ship. You know. When I walked out my grandparents,
everything else was checky, everything else was jankie you know

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what I mean, You're saying like you know, I'm in
the I'm in the you know it's Gotham Park. You
feel what I'm saying. I'm saying a crip walk is
darter to go get a free lance then getting mocked
for two blocks. Come back, they're shooting. You know, we're
still on the court. We're laughing about it with kids
like buildings. But you know in the moment, you ain't

(06:03):
thinking about you like you're laughing because this ship normal.
You know, you're playing football and homies say hey, man,
if y'all say hike, we're gonna shoot, We're gonna shoot.
You all glass up and they're like, hey, for you
better say hike. You know what I mean, say hike,
that be be guns. So just like stupid ship, that's
like hella traumatizing normal, like a normal you know what.

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It was just like it couldn't get no worse, right,
and so the love inside my Grandma Grandpa Paul house,
it couldn't be no better, you know what I mean,
And so that that was like my escape going up. Man.
So I got to see it a good and the
worst in just the hierarchy in the hood. You feel
what I'm saying, like how to live and be there

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for seventy years and all that ship and then like, okay,
these these are over here. They they ain't got too
long and what I'm saying, yeah, man, ain't there. We'll
talk to us about being able growing up in that
environment and then going to somewhere like Crossroads. Had that
come about? And how did that shape your you with
an adult? Yeah, shout out to that family grew Uh.

(07:12):
I just directed a documentary called Dreamers and Doors for
k Swiss and Fad work that case. Swiss and he
had an a team and he saw the point guard
a Crossroads was like five six, and he was like, Yo,
Baron can go there. Like he would be a good
dude to be around white people, you know, because he

(07:34):
had went to like an integrated school. So he was like, Yo,
he probably need a chance to like be out this
ship and being around white people. And now my grandmother,
one of my good friends, got killed on the bus
stop the year before I graduated from sixth grade, so like,
ship is hot, you know what I mean? And she like,
we gotta figure out a way to like not not

(07:57):
put this food on the bus, you know what. I
mean like I'm hearing the conversations, but it's only you.
Still gotta get on the bus Monday't game? Right? You
feel what I'm saying? And like that bus stop is hot.
That's the hottest bus stop, you know, from from two
o'clock to eight o'clock in the morning. You know what
I mean. And so that was like, yeo, what about crossroads?

(08:20):
So my grandfather rest in peace. He was in his
last year living. He used to get up in the morning, Bro,
I'll show you a god, how good God is, and
drive me to Manchester and Crenshaw that used to come
from Inglewood. Pick me up on Manchester and Crenshaw, take
me the crossroads right then come back, double back and
go all the way to bird Back. And so it

(08:43):
was like an experiment. I learned a lot of ship.
I learned a lot of ship about just like race
in general, you know what I mean at cross roads
like my homeboy and I don't know even though if
I can say this ship, but my homeboy taught me
how to you know, tag and draw gang songs, and
the Nina taught me how to make a swastika. So
I'm in class. I'm just like doodling and ship and

(09:04):
the girls started crying and I'm like, what's she She's like,
You're crazy. And that's when I learned, like, damn, that's
not good, you know what I mean. I learned a
lot of things from Crossroads, right, I learned a lot
of things. I learned, like, you know what a gay
person really was, you know what I mean, Like as
far as like in the hood is one thing, you

(09:26):
know what I mean, But then over here it was
like celebrating. I was trying. And then it made me
understand why the kid in my neighborhood was like that,
but also like you get more fucking with me, you
know what I mean, or hurt like you know what
I mean. But she, you know, it was a lot
of animosity like as she was like as he was

(09:48):
transition into her and he used to fund people up,
you know what I mean. And so I learned that
from Crossroads, you know what I mean. I started learning
about other cultures and like breaking down stereotyp because they
was asking me too, who who was I? So I
had to break down my stereotype too. So that was
kind of like how God kind of worked and got

(10:09):
me in that schools. It was. It was that basically
saying he could play at a five three at five
three point guard in high school at cross shows, talk
to us about the basketball side. You started off a
small dude. We was talking before you even got to
like a little bear and little bear and grew talk
to us about just your game and your growth. I
just let a game. I always had a crazy imagination

(10:32):
that was five three and ninth grade, five five and
thirty pounds in tenth grade like five eight or five
nine and eleven, and I just like I just kept
I kept growing. And once I got I think I
was in ten graand was like five five six, I
dunked and I dunked on all my and once I

(10:53):
figured out I conduct, I started like playing my teammates
one on one and Ship and started dunking on him.
And like once I figured out, like, oh Ship, I
can dunk like I dunk on the dunk course, it
was over. And then you know, I would say just
basketball wise, like being small, like I always had heart,
you know, I always had defense. Like but it's just

(11:15):
like once I started growing, and Ship, you're playing with
the pros now like U C l A. You know
what I mean you're traveling. I was going to Man,
I'm trying to catch your fade anywhere I can, you
know what I mean, Like, I'm trying to catch your fade.
And I remember in Crossroads my senior year, I used
to drive from Crossroads to Long Beach and because Pat

(11:38):
Barrett had the gym open and and Tyson Chandler and
keeling him was my little dog, Cedric Boseman. So I
used to go practice with them in Long Beach and
then I you know, circle back, come home, sleep, and
I was like my routine. I was just I was
just hungry for a gym, you know what I'm saying.
You're you experienced What was that like? Because you played
in the time when AU basketball in l A Was

(11:59):
having a lot of big hitters coming out of this way.
What was that experience? Like? It was dope? It was
dope because you got you know, you got Corey you
like Pat Barry, got Jilani Shay Losing Me Man Jason
Hard Like they was stacked, you know what I'm saying.
And it was like really like the first wave of
a you So you had a Nike team and Adida's team,

(12:19):
you had slamming jam and then we was Kay Swiss
and we have Paul and so it was like the
first time people like really started recruiting dudes like we
we flew kg out to l A. You know what
I mean to play with I want to hear your
version of because he was telling us too, yes, all right,
so that we want to attempt like that. Was like, yeah,

(12:39):
we're gonna get Tim Thomas because I used to ride
with that all the time. He was like, we're gonna
get Tim Thomas. I was like, oh, ship. So I
used to like read these dudes in magazine and he
was like, no, I've seen this dude in South Carolina,
this dude Kevin Garnett, You're gonna be the number one
player in the country. And I was like, man, all right, cool,
Like so Kevin Garnett flying in. So Kevin gar Net

(13:00):
get there and this is you know, he gets to
the gym before us. This food got all kind of
case wiz bro. This thing he got a hole like
like maybe like twenty boxes. I don't know if he
tells y'all. Nik is walking to the gym, like, yo,
who is it? Who is this dude listening in? The
number one player in the country. Man, get the funk
out of here, you know what I mean. So everybody,

(13:20):
everybody is saying that, and he just over there, you
know so so so man practice start bro And we
was younger, so we practiced against turned Paul, so they,
you know, they used to always get us. But for
some strange reason, like they was beating the ship out
of us, you know what I mean. And Kevin Garnette
was blocking our three pointers. It was the most amazing

(13:43):
thing I've ever seen in my life. Like he was
standing in like damn there and like in the dotted
and I pulled up for three and he was jumping
and smacking that ship. Dude. I swear to god, it
was crazy. And then everybody was like, okay, we see
why he did number you know what, like this my dog.
And then they took me home that night and he

(14:03):
was obsessed with menis to society. I remember that, and
he kept saying, like I take a double burger with cheese.
We took him to rallies. That was like his first
time that rallies. Yeah, it was me and him and
Paul in the car and like I was saying, you know,
it's crazy to see how they bard was you know
what I mean, Like, you know, because they was older,
so you can see them bonding and and now for

(14:24):
them to play on the same team with the Celtics
and win it. You know, it was like they wanted
in Vegas together. You know, we was all able to
see that. But like KG like kind of like he
just opened everybody is you know what I mean, Like
his energy, you know, terms start picking bro, he made

(14:44):
everybody turn was the dictator. Turn was hard. Turn was
like my big bro who I like. You know, we
played on in the same backcourt, but he was older.
So when he went and play with the older squad,
like I was right and die. So I like when
you see me play, you know, and like you know

(15:07):
when I lose it, you know what I mean, I
am very similar at the time, you know what I'm saying.
So he kind of like that's how I like, I'm
like to kind of him couple my homies like that
that gangster mentality, you know what I mean. It's just
like y'all all right, I like fun the game. Let's
just go outside, you know what I mean, Like I
want to be that mad or not. You know what

(15:28):
I'm saying. You know what I mean? So you you know,
you picked up every accolade you count, possibly can ninety
seven get Ready Player of the Year, McDonald's All American,
you know, sprite slam dunk contest, Mr Basketball headed to
u C l A. Who else was recruiting you? Was
there ever a chance for anyone else? Duke? I was

(15:49):
gonna go to Duke for real. But you know, Coach
Coach Ka his mom was sick. I think he wrote
about me in his book. But I don't you know,
I don't funk with Coach Okay, you're sucker to me.
Oh my mom, his mom was sick. And you know
you're a young high school kid, You're like, fuck dog.
Coach k is like he's everything. I'm rocking, dude ship.

(16:12):
But when his mind got sick, like it made me
miss my grandma, and like Quinn, Quinn Snyder, that's my dog,
you know what I mean? Because he was just like
the dude. I was like, man, I'm right or die
fucking with Like I'm fucking with what Coach k and
Quinn Snyder and you know what I mean, whatever they
got like, that's it gonna take me to the moon,
you know what I mean. But when Coach k Mam

(16:33):
was sick. That made me be like, damn dog, I
can't leave home, you know what I mean. And at
the same time it was a lot of ship the
other ship going on in l A two. That was
just like, if I leave and some ship happened, I
ain't gonna feel good. So I might as well be here.
And if some ship happened, at least I'm here to

(16:55):
try and stop it, or you know, you know what
I mean, and like take my people and my more
importantly my family into another space. You know, you have
one of the most memorable legendary recruiting trips us here,
Like can you tell us about it? I only got
into the squad now one. I mean, whatever story you
want to say, Hey do that ship was crazy. We

(17:17):
just hey, bro, I go up there all the time.
Now on my visit, they decide we went and played
uh flag football with the uh with the softball tea
and they beat us uh. And then we were just
hanging out and we go to the baseball It was
like a fried house and next thing, you know, like

(17:40):
it was a big gass tussling. We were just boxing
with like fort forty big old baseball dudes and Uh,
it was it was me hem him and him, him
and him, you know, I you know what I'm saying.
But like I remember, I was standing the little Legend.

(18:00):
Dudes was coming out, hey bro, and it was like
damn near Like it was like, oh U c l
A students. I was confused, but like I was writing
the mix, you know what I mean. And so it
was like fifty It was like almost like fifty dudes.
It was like eight or nine of us, and you know,

(18:23):
it was just trying to make peace. And I got
into a fight on my first day of school too. Uh,
the day before school, we got into a fight with
some dudes. That's when you came from the in front
of the doors. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what time
it is. You remember what what happened the first time
we met. What what we was doing were throwing South

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off the So we get to the hotel, were, uh
fifteen sixteen, right, hey dude. That was I don't know why.
I don't know why I was involved in that. That
didn't even that was like really out of my character.
But we was fifteen sixteen. We're checking out hotel. We
find nothing, absolutely nothing to do. So we are about

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the fifteen floor. Bro, We're gonna get all the lotion
and so out of the bathroom and start chunking at
people in the lobby. Was one of the open hotels,
like it was the best thing in the world. That
we started via McKenney Bruner and whateverbody you said, you said,
you tell before he got here. He said, one day

(19:30):
he picked you up and had you run through the
hood doing everything you shouldn't have been doing. I was
telling myself, I said this, I got introduced to California. You,
Jason Thomas and Kenny Bruning and y'all had me everywhere
I was supposed to be in l a everyone I
was supposed to be. Facts. Shout out Kenny Bruner, though, man,

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But besides your shout at Kenny Bruner, Jason Thomas, that's
all the trick, lug besides being close to home, what
else attracted you to besides just like I was there
every day. My sister I worked there, and I got
to you know, it was they had Gilani. Chris Johnson
told me, and I was like, damn, I'm about to
walk in and like be able to like rock with

(20:13):
these dudes, you know what I mean? They have a
chance to win the national championship. I'm home and all
my little homeboys that I was like jigging, you know,
extra tickets, like man, like just put your name on
the recruiting list just for all of the l A
dudes to be able to come to the U c.
L A games. Was like, I can't leave them, you
know what I mean, So maybe I can be the

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dude that like make the l A guard started staying
home and ship like that, because like Louse was coming.
We was trying to get Jason Hard to leave Syracuse
and come, you know, so we was just gonna have
we was gonna be Yeah, it was gonna be Guard,
you know what I mean. It was gonna be Guard
University again. Especially you got Glani you got you know

(20:55):
what I mean, You got Chris Johnson, Toby Bailey j R. Henderson.
They had a whip already, you know what I mean.
So he was like, Yo, I can step into this
and like we got a chance. Then they get sucked
it up. Yeah yeah, damn outside of the up my

(21:18):
nation the championship. Fucking with these niggers, man, outside of
the basketball part, he should have went to do you
were trying to, like your aura kind of like your status.
Like Baron was kind of like the guyfather there even
though he was like maybe one year older than us.
But like on road trips, we go see Baron, if
you needed some money, let me hold a couple of

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what you need. He pull out a big old stack
of money. Beat was the first one with the dope car,
the dope apartment, the leather TVs. The based like you
got you got, asked I'll pull up in the skin
hunting on some twos in the summer time with the
pros and was like, you gotta go home, bro, that
is not Hey, I'm from here. This is the first

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big body expedition on twenties and twenty two as I've
seen it was. Remember that had some speakers in the back,
so I had some jangkie ass speakers. So we used
to go to the rocks. Remember that we used to
pull up to the Roxy, but the speakers would cut off,
so you have to you have to go in the
back seat and slammed the back door for the ship
to come back home. So we're pulling out Sunset passing

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though hen sugar free acts. Smack it as soon as
we get in front of the the clip over the door,
close the door bad. You know, you're always trying to
floss in college and Ship and Niggers was always like
left left hanging right outside the club. That car was
sucked up and tied at the purple people leader tied

(22:49):
out a purple tied at a purple blazer bro the
color of Barney. People used to take that on day.
So it used to be like your first deck car
and then if you like it, you could get my car.
But you make sure he slammed that backed up girl
had that red pt killer. He was raping somebody on
first got it. Remember the pret cruisers from Gilanni had

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a car that had tickets on it. You know it
was a jeep, but you can't tell what color it
was because it had so many tickets. They never touched
the car. Rico. Rico is like that too. You tell
about one of our producers. Gilanni is over here, This
Gilanni right here. He had so many tickets. He had
a boot. I remember I got a boot before the
Syracuse game. Remember that that ship was sucked up. I

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got a boot up pulling the tunnel. I thought I
was flossing. They gave me a boot. I had to
get his car stuck down in the tunnel and Dick
Vitale all these dudes walking in, like, Yo, I think
you got hu had to go pay them parking tickets.
That ship was fun. You had a h you posted
something recently, but I remember when it happened when jay

(23:55):
Z wore your jersey that summer. The black One talk
to us about that. I mean, you will alway is
really in touch with that outside celebrity world like you was.
I mean, like you said you use from that, like
you know, I mean you got the heart beat l A.
So yeah, the honey Ivory came over and he uh
he had brought hip hop and so were cold. Yeah,
that's my dog every yeah ivery man hip hop was like, man,

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what y'all drinking? We was like nigga twinkle toes. We
used to call Andre's twinkles like pouring pouring in the glass.
That ship looked like Chris a ship. So He's like
nigging that's Andre drinking. Ya ain't drinking Chris style, and

(24:40):
like we cool. I was like in college, we ain't
doing it like that. And so he was like, Yo,
you want to go meet jay Z. Jay Z want
to wear your jersey? That was like for real. He
was like hell yeah, jay Z because at the time
people was like it was right before people start really
rocking jerseys. So we go to Cafe mass We all
all up as many can fit in the car. Though

(25:01):
we walk in kicked it for a little bit, said
it was up to Jay. I gave me my black
U c l A jersey and jersey they hated too.
He dog the tradition the older the older heads that
they hated that jersey too. Go ahead, yeah, So I
gave him the black one and then I gave him

(25:22):
a white one and he was like, oh yeah, I
appreciate you, dog, like I funk with y'all and like
the whole team. We saw him pull off in his
range and that was and then we went to the concert.
And then at the concert he popped up with the jersey.
Everybody was going crazy, but it was dumb. I got
a chance to me like method man and read me.
I remember at the time. I was like, man, I
funk what you read man? He was like you my nigg.

(25:44):
I was like hell yeah. He was like drink and
gave me some hennessy. I was like, yesterday, right, I
forgot who else was there, but like it was, it
was a bunch of people when he was like backstage,
that ship was cool. And jay Z showed us a
lot of love, and he had always showed love, you know,

(26:05):
He's always been like a solid dude, you know what
I'm saying. Thoughts of this year's U c l A
team and how they perform. I liked him, man. I
thought that they were consistent with who they were the
whole the whole year. I thought, you know, with all
adversity that they have been been through, they made it
to the final four. They got a diverse team, you
know what I mean. The coach is like a dude

(26:27):
like you want to play for you know what I mean,
Like I want to coach. It's like into it and
into his players and in the winning and coaching you up,
and like they love them for us as you see
l A as like an alumni former players ship like that,
it kind of make you put your guard down, you
know what I mean, and be like, yo, I ain't

(26:48):
ship right now. Let's pour all our energy into these dudes.
And and and so you know, they don't know what they did,
but they brought a lot of dudes together because a
lot of us like love U c l A. You know,
we live in we live in breathe the u c
l A. Right. We all want to be connected, and
that gave everybody else that wasn't playing opportunity to reconnect,

(27:10):
you know, especially during the pandemic and ship where you
feel like you lost. It's like, yeah, okay, I still
got a home. So now I'm going back to school ship,
you know, and I signed up to go back to school.
I saw Kenny Donaldson, so I'm like, all right, bro,
I got I got finished. You're gonna go back on campus.
Earl did that. I was thinking about doing that, just
got too busy. We gotta do it, you know what

(27:32):
I mean, like a forty year old uh college students
like Rodney Danger. Yeah, back to school. So you decide
two years. First year, great freshman year, packed ten freshman,
the year you hurt your nee in the tournament. My
freshman year is your sophomore. You come into season a
little bit late on one leg at the beginning, but

(27:54):
was still absolutely amazed. I remember that Washington game where
you went behind your back one play, made the fat
dude jump the way out the way, anything to beat
him up before the game. Yeah, yeah, remember me and
you almost fought the whole crowd in Oregon that one time,
and they was trying to bully us, and then you're
having that don't time my color so tough? So you

(28:14):
decided to take your talents from U c l A
To the NBA? What what? Why did you feel like
it was time? I wanted to come back, dude? I
needed some money, bro, you know what I mean. It
was like that was it and I needed the money
and I didn't want to get hurt. But I did
want to come back because we had lost in the
first round obviously, damn dog. But you know, going to

(28:38):
the league was like always a dream, like but I
really wanted to stay that last I wanted to stay
one more year because if y'all don't remember that, I
used to call y'all motherfucker's all the time, Like, Yo,
I hate it out here, ro averaging sixteen minutes a
gang coming off the bench. This is no fun, Homy.

(28:58):
But it taught me a lot, and I think like
being around Eddie Jones rest in peace, Bobby Fields, going
through that, you know what I mean, and then like
never starting it made me so hungry that next year dog.
When I came back to l A, I was just like,
who ever wants to fade, let's go, bro, I'm taking one. Oh,

(29:19):
I'm lining people up in the gym. I started bringing
all the high school kids to the gym with me,
lining them up, you know. And I was just on
the mission and like, you know, I'm determined to be
somebody after that, after that rookie year. But I didn't
really want to go. And so I think that kind
of like funk with me my whole rookie year because

(29:39):
I was like, and then y'all made a run in
the tournament. It was just like that ship was just
always like, yeah, I should have been home. I should
have been home, but it actually made me a man.
I mean, third pick in the draft. You go to Charlotte.
Rip Haimon had told a funny story about draft day,
how he you made him fire his agent because you
came into his room where he was in the room
with you. You gave him the whole down what happened,

(30:01):
and it happened, and he's like, how the fund the
baron though, Hey, fucking rip Uh. We was because we
were just all hanging out and you know, I'm nosy, bro,
something like, yeah, what's going on in the draft? What's
the movement? And then we was all just kind of
kicking and you know how dudes be like popping ship.
So I go knock on Rip, like, hey, bro, like

(30:22):
I think you're about to go to Washington. He was like,
you mean, like who told you that? I was like, man,
I'm worry about it. You know what I mean. I'm
telling you that, like you know what I'm saying, Like
you ain't really you know, you know that's what you know?
Trust me, trust me that I got your back. I
found out it was like the day before because we
was all walking in the lobby and you know the

(30:42):
day before the draft they start really like placing dudes
and like placing the trays and ship like that. And
I was into all that ship. So I kept calling
On because I was trying to get traded to the Lakers,
and so I remember On was going back and forth
with Charlotte. He was like, look, man, if he if
you're drafted, he what if he goes overseas? What if

(31:03):
he does this? And Paul Silas said, if he there,
we're gonna drive him. And he does show his ass
uthing and so I was like, man, if we could
just pull off the trade. And then the Vancouver thing
happened with Steve Francis, and like we was trying to
put I was trying to get in the mix of that.
Um so I just like start finding out where everybody
was gonna be positioned, and I started telling everybody, and

(31:26):
Britt was like how he was the only one was like, yo,
how to funk you know? This ship? And he was
pissed and he did for are his agents? What was
any many white ship? He was definitely a pioneer in
that space too. We'll get to that later. What was
the Steve Steve Francis ship? He got drafted BT couver

(31:48):
and did wouldn't go, right, Yeah, he wouldn't go. So
that was supposed to be, Like I was trying to
get in that, Like, oh, I ain't going either, you
know what I mean? He went to Yeah, so Steve
basically he forced his hand, forced Vancouver's hand, and then
that's how Steve wind up in Houston Michael Dickerson, and
that's how the Houston things started. So they because Vancouver

(32:09):
already had Mike Babie, right, you know what I mean?
So Steve was like Why the funk Am I going
to Vancouver with Mike Baby and they had the reef.
I believe, like they had a squad, you know what
I mean? They had they were and Vancouver was a
great city. But then when they did that, it kind
of like that was a fall of Vancouver because it
was just like it wasn't gonna hold, like they were saying,

(32:32):
it wasn't gonna hold. Superstar, Welcome to the NBA moment.
What is it? Probably John Stockton? He cooked you. He
like stole the ball from me, Like, oh he didn't cookie,
just throwing the ball from you. So he just like
really like imagine like just getting in the game and

(32:53):
you look up trying to get an inbound pass and
that ship gone. You think you gotta steal on it, Like, man,
I gotta steal that ship go. And then like I
was only in the game for like I could have
played like eight minutes to night, but like the first
two minutes it was just turnover, turnover, turnover, bucket and
one and one, And I was like, what the fuck

(33:16):
is going on? Go back in the same ship. You
just couldn't find him, bro. It was almost like it
was embarrassing the smartest and then I would say the
other one was Stephan Marlberry. He was killing us. But
I was, you know, I'm a rookie coming off the
bench and uh he did something. He was like yeah
and one and he looked at me. He was like, yeah,

(33:36):
you don't won't known to this. You can't guard me.
And Elden Campbell was like, oh, you're gonna let him
talk to you like that. So I'm on the bench hot.
I'm on the bench hot, I'm ready to fight everything.
Uh but that was like he was cooking me too. Yeah,
that was it. I mean other than that, I say

(33:56):
my first game cross Way and turn our preseason, I
go off the duck and never nervous Pervis Allison took
a charge and not custom ever nervous. It's like seven
foot motherfucker, what you're doing taking a charge? When you
first come into the league. Who are some of the
key man you didn't play as much of so your
second year once you really start rocket, who are some

(34:18):
of the key matchups you're looking forward to because you
played in a in a crazy time where it was
ai a young day, Steve Nash, Gilbert, you name it.
People was out there all of them, all of them
at Chris paul In there Williams at Darren Williams at
Jason Kidd, add Nick van Naxel at Rod Strickland as

(34:40):
Sam Casale. Uh, these are all the people we lost
to in the playoffs. Uh ship who else? Damon stodolm
Meyer dog. It was. It was era of every night,
Mike Bibby, Like You're getting a different look from a
different point guard every night. And then you gotta go
against the Greg Anthony's and the Charlie Wards who are like,

(35:03):
you know, more defensive minded that Eric Snow's defensive mindy
Mark Jackson. I played against Mark Jackson. So all these
like great point guards that you you know, you kind
of watch growing up, you know what I mean? It
was It was crazy. But Sam Cassell was was called
bloody bro Sam Cansell was called bloody. Steve Nash was

(35:24):
called blooded. It was a lot. It was a lot.
It was a lot. You made the playoffs your first
five years? What is it like you thinking like every year,
you know, okay, we made it, U you made like
that with it? What did it just become normal for you? Yeah?
It was um man, it was like we had a
chance like every year we showed up, we felt like

(35:46):
we were just good. We had some good teams, and
we felt like we could make it. Because if you
get to the playoffs and you get the matchup you want,
like we felt we can yeah, and even if it
was a tough matchup and a lot of those series
we just lost in seven and you know, like the
games could have went either way. And we had a
real vet squad that, like them Folds, just turned it

(36:09):
up a notch and got like, hella quick, more athletic
in the playoffs and I'm like, oh, ship, let's go,
you know what I mean. But it was just like
we felt we could win every year. You know, we
felt like we could upset and you know in advance.
But in that era, everybody was trying to get to
playoffs because they felt like they were good enough, you

(36:29):
know what I mean. Most memberle Playoffs series, most memorable
Playoffs series outside do we believe? Of course? Sure, I
would say the Orlando series, you know, knocked off Mac
right when we knocked off t Mac. That's that's the
year that I got myself to Max, you know what

(36:51):
I mean, that was my f You got yourself to
Max and I think that's important. Yeah, because you know
you're going into the series my Ashburn gets hurt. He
had vertigo, so it's pretty much all of my you know,
it was I was next in line, and so when
we when we beat the Mavericks in that series, it
was almost like, you know, I had I think the

(37:12):
last two games, I had two triple doubles, you know
what I mean to like close them out in Orlando,
and I just remember on the bus everybody was like
they are you're about to get the Max. You wanted
to get the Max. He was like, Yo, You're about
to get the MAX. And it was like why do
you need that? And then the conversation was like why
you need an agent? You know, if you're gonna get
a MAX, Like why would you get age into money

(37:33):
like they they got a sign you because we was
moving because we basically got kicked out of Charlotte UM
and then moved to New Orleans like forest Hand to
basically take the best player with him. And so that
ship was crazy, bro. It was like one of the
craziest thing. You find your agent and negotiated your own deal. Yeah,
basically I walked into my agent office with a suit

(37:53):
and I was just like, yeah, you know what I mean.
I was like, yeah, I want to do this by myself,
from start my own agency, represent myself. And he was like,
good luck. I think you're making you know, a big mistake.
And I was like, well, you know whatever, I'm I got.
You know, I'm gonna keep this six percent and learn
from it, you know what I mean? And so that's
six percent for me was always like what I was

(38:16):
gonna use to build my agency to like invest in me,
to like invest in a movie, whatever it is. You
know what I mean that I really wanted to do.
That was that what that six percent? And that sixth
percent can also go to my family, you know what
I mean? And like what I want to do for
my family to help, you know, invest in my family
and ship talk about the culture change going from Charlotte

(38:38):
to New Orleans. Charlotte to New Orleans, it was there
was no stability, Like you go. Charlotte was a basket
you know, North Carolinas basketball country. New Orleans is a
party city and a tourist city, right, and so New
Orleans was not built for a basketball team. New Orleans

(38:59):
was built for football, right. It is st. St. St.
So even with us coming, like, there are no Fortune
five hundred companies, there are no forts A two D companies,
So the sponsorships, the things like that, it was just
hella Jankee, I think and I still believe Entergy is
the largest company down in that area. And other than that,

(39:24):
you got like Smoothie King and like uh not Bojangles,
but Popeye's and he had a bunch of chains. So
you got like local business people, you know what I
mean around the team. And there's no high you know,
there's no high net worth sponsors to actually carry the team.

(39:48):
So you know, we practice in West we Go like
and a goddamn like rec center until they built, you know,
until they built finally, like a whole practice reality, but
like we would share our bathroom was a public bathroom,
you know what I mean, And it was like ship.
Our showers was kind of like public showers. You know.

(40:09):
It would be an n R A meeting and we
got a practice, you know what I'm saying. And so
you know they'be having a little craft services and I'm like, yeah,
I'm about to go over there and get me some
of that ship. They're like, man, they're gonna shoot, you know,
so it's just all kind of shi happening, you know
what I mean. And then in the arena, in the arena,
like we weren't really getting a draw, you know, and

(40:30):
like the amenities and ship like that. So it was
just like they was like filling it in as we
was going. But we had a good team though. We
had a good team. And then like you know, they
made the transition with bar Scott and then after that,
like it just went. It wasn't no good for me
at that point, no more. But New Orleans was crazy

(40:51):
because I had you know, that's how I invested in
vitamin water because they had my like a fat head.
I think I had it on the whole side of
the arena, you know what I mean. It's like the
whole arena was bad. That was it. You pulled from
the airport as Beat, I go a billboard. Okay, that's
another b D billboard. That's the bed and the team. Okay,
that's two players. Okay, here go Beat points to beat.

(41:13):
And they wrapped the arena, no bullshit. They wrapped the
arena with a big gass fat head, you know what
I mean. And so you know, you could tell me ship,
you know what I'm saying, uh, and that's I remember
when Vitamin Water came, they was like, we don't have
no money from marketing. And I was like, Brian trub
and you see all these like ship, I got you,

(41:35):
and that's how I like took a chance on them.
But it was like New Orleans, like it was crazy
because like all of a sudden, like I was thrown
out there. Both of our owners was like fighting over
who's owning the team. So I like after practice, they'd
be like, oh, you gotta come to this cocktail reception,
gotta go with this dude. I gotta go over here
with this dude. It's like, what does he tell you?

(41:56):
What you Yeah? My second I remember the second year
in New Orleans. I remember that George Shen. You know,
I knew he had financial problems. So I was like, uh,
you know, Mr Shan, I I just forfeit my last
two years. You know my next two years that's about
you know, twenty five million, and then I just invested
in the team and be your partner. And he just

(42:16):
like he wanted to say, get your black ass, you
know what I mean? But hey, dog, it was it
was fair like it was fair like yo, I give
my contract back. I know you've got some financial problems.
Like you and homeboy over here, you ain't really see
an eye of eye. And I know you got this
this loan, you know what I mean. Man, he put
in on that dog, I'm the highest paid. Ain't like that.

(42:40):
He did not like that. And so that's like when
ship starts spiraling down. When they started asking me to
do goofy ship, like, uh, tell everybody on the team
you to put their hand over their heart for the
national anthem and ship like that. I was like, hey, bro,
I can't tell nobody to do nothing, you know what
I mean. And they started making like a little issues

(43:00):
like that. And then like you know, and that's the
same era in time when t O was doing all that,
you know what I mean, and like just athletes was
like acting out. It was like, because one, you're asking
the wrong dude, you know what I mean. You want
me to ask David West to put this in even
though you're rookie. You want me to tell a W
West you have to put your hand over your heart,

(43:21):
you know, for the national anthem. Man. It was like, man,
get the funk out of here. You also developed a
relationship with little Wayne out there, talk to us about that. Yeah,
whyn't that's my dog, you know what I mean? Like,
I know you was big in the wrap. I remember
this one time, just quick story. You see that he
was taking me to the train station or something. This
motherfucker was driving fastest fun rapping and writing in his
notebook at the same time. Bro Die, Yeah, man, if

(43:44):
it shout out to Wayne, I think Wayne kind of
gave me the bug to start rapping. So we built
a little booth. I forgot what that ship was called
the cave t What was that called the cage? Yeah,
we caught. We had the cage. We built a little
cave j'all. But Wayne, you know we uh, he used
to kick it with us all the time, Me and Turn.

(44:06):
You know, he really used to kick it with time
because I'd be at practice. But term Coppo, Wayne, Molly,
all of them, you know what I mean. Because when
when I got there, it was like, you know, you
get introduced to like the O. G. S. And that
I got introduced the baby Slam no limit dudes, you
know what I mean. So I met all of you know,
make sure I made me the soldiers slam. Rest in peace, Dog,

(44:26):
that was my dog. That was the first I was
like the first real dude that I was, you know,
I locked in with. But you know, you meet all ogs,
all the street dudes, make sure. But Wayne and Time
and Coppo, they was all just like, yeah, they was tight.
And so we're sitting around the house, you know, and
dudes coming in from l A. We're sharing like stories

(44:49):
and ship like that and war stories and turn time
of his stories in the death Row days, you know
what I mean. And Wayne was like he was eating
all that ship up, you know what I mean. He
was sh up, he was taking that ship up, you
know what I mean. And plus like where he was from,
he was already like moving, you know what I mean,
he was already moving. So like they were just like

(45:10):
their own little like they was their own crew, you
know what I mean. I just tap in with them
every now and again, and then you know, I just
happened to be, you know, one of wayne favorite players
at the time, and so like it was just like
it was love, you know what I mean. Like Wayne,
like to this day, that's that's like my brother, you
know what I mean. Whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever,

(45:31):
that's that's like my dog, and then I was trying
to get Game. I remember I was trying to get game.
What was it far? When we was we trying to
do Black Wall Streets South and get Game and Wayne
to partner up because Wayne was trying to get out
that first contract with a baby, and he was talking

(45:54):
to jay Z and we was all at the moro.
I was like, man, I give you some bread dogs,
start youlling ship. You know what I mean. But we
was all just talking about it and Ship. I never
forget that. I was like, man, what if we did
Blackwall Street sound for I forget what it was. But
we was all like business, business was on the money.
That's good. So your transition from New Orleans to Golden State,

(46:15):
how'd that happened? Basically? I like burned all my resources
and had to kick me out. Yeah, because I told
Allan Bristow. I said, like he thought he was gonna
rush me. When I said, hey, bro, you take two
more steps, I'm gonnahoop your ass in front of everybody
in this gym. And after that they had to trade me.

(46:36):
He was running down. I was like, take two more sets,
my fucking you up. He stuck. He was like hey,
he was stuck on that step and by Scott was like, Yo,
what's going on? I was like, Man, I'm out of here, Man,
get me up out of here. I ain't got no time.
Allan Bristow told me that I thought I was God's
gift to basketball, and I was like, man, I can't
deal with you, bro. You know what I mean. You

(46:58):
already feel like a right is due to me anyway,
So man, you need to shut the funk up and
trade me, you know what I mean? Because I whip
your ass at the practice over, you know what I mean?
You know what I mean. That's exactly what I taught him, man.
He was, Yeah, it's like you know how they do you, bro,
You know you know how they trying to do you.

(47:19):
And if it wasn't for Crossroads, I wouldn't have had
that part, like to be able to articulate myself right
in the room. And it just pissed him off because
it's like, you ain't gonna one. You ain't gonna shake
me down, you know what I mean. Like it's your money,
you know what I'm saying. You gave it to me,
so too. I don't even need all this ship, you
know what I'm saying, so they would get frustrated, right,

(47:40):
even like George, she like machine. He was pissed that
I offered to buy buy. That's that's the best way
I describe you to a lot of people. I say
it just grew up in competent, went the crossroads and
ended up in crossroads. Go to you mix all that up,

(48:04):
you go, I'm starting to understand it. To accept that ship,
you know what I'm saying. So to move to the Bay,
what was that like? One? I did not want to
go to Golden State because at one point it was
like l A dudes and Bay dudes, Like you know,

(48:26):
the stereotype is like we didn't funk with each other.
It was always like a rivalry from Kyle and all that.
But I always had good games that Golden State. And
so when I got to Golden State, it was like dead, bro,
I'm talking about dead. They said, what do you think?
I said, Man, that ship feel like a fucking mortuary
every day coming up practice. You know what I mean?

(48:47):
He know before you got there, and when you got there,
it was like fixed a lot of it. Hey dog,
when I walked in, that motherfucking dog. They was not
trying to play no, God, man, they was trying to
make every excuse in the world not to get on
the court and hoop. And then when we got on
the court, them Foods has so much ship going on

(49:10):
that it was just like done leaving. I remember he
had a thing with the crowd, and I was like, man,
I mean the fucking cry like you know, people used
to funk with him and like, oh god, I used
to they like they like, you know. But it was
like a love hate relationship with Duneley because he was
drafted so high. Jason Richardson, he was dealing with injury

(49:30):
and we all know Jay rich Ja rich If he
can walk, if he can jog, he gonna play. So
when I got there, I was like, Jay rich you
need to sit down, my nigga. If I'm rocking me
and you're gonna rock, you gotta sit down, bro. You
can't be coming out here like I just dealt with
that ship and I'm coming off an injury, you know,
playing and so I could start coming off the bench

(49:52):
and you know, you got Derek Fisher there, you know,
and he you know, you know, Derek Fisher, he a
company guys men, He want to be the president. So
he wanted everything to be equal terms, you know what
I mean. But he is solidly like, he is solid teammate.
He's hell of the teammate that I could dare you.
He was solid as as as a basketball as, not

(50:15):
as a dude, not as a I'm just saying I
ain't up playing with when y'all saying that I just
went left, I'm living with you, you know what I'm saying.
Like he was hell of professional, Like he showed up
to work every day. He was hella diplomatic, you know

(50:38):
what I mean. But Mike Montgomery and like whatever, and
Troy Murphy was just like, god damn bro, he was
just like fucking like depressed the whole time. So I'm like, yo,
this ship is like a corpse. So it's like I
had to get in there and one sort of start
to get healthy. We went eight in a row in

(50:58):
the year, you know what I mean. And so now
everybody like feeling jewice, feeling you know, feeling feeling great. Yeah,
and now we bring Mike Montgomery back for the second year,
and then that's when you start seeing like, you know,
the bitch and everybody again, you know what I mean.
And it was a lot of that ship where it
was team meetings and they was like, yo, beat, you

(51:19):
know you don't practice. And I was like, what do
you mean I do on practice? Bro? We got two rookies.
What am I practicing the whole practice for? They need
to work right, and it's me and d Fensh. I
take a day off. He takeing, like defense, you need
a day off. Let's let these dudes get the work
in and let us work. No, but he wasn't. So

(51:40):
everybody was playing politics. And then we had a team
meeting and everybody was like pointing fingers, you know, but
not nobody want to point no fingers. So I was like, man,
who got something to say? I was like, man, y'all
some suckers. And that's when they got Montgomery album. Molly
come to me. He was like, don't trip. We're gonna
figure it out. And then that's for me and and

(52:02):
Matt length and then that's how we come into it
into the next year with Nellie. And that was a
crazy story. So I'm in between. I'm in should I
was on the way y'all really coming off two and
a half years and really not playing, and I'm at
home a Sacramento and beat hits me up the morning
of like, oh, bro, we're hooping down here, Come up.
I'm like, hurry up, shower hopping the car, drive an

(52:23):
hour half and go down there and play. Not knowing
that uh you know, Nellie was watching the whole time.
They had already had something crazy like eighteen people coming
to training camp and sixteen guarantees like I can't promise
you nothing, but you go out here and play like
you did today, I'll give you a chance. And that's
all I needed. So that's kind of the start of that.
That's kind of started that beginning of that seat. And
so I worked my way from like the last dude

(52:45):
on the bench and started playing well enough to trade
don Levy and Murphy. And then if you wouldn't start
playing well, we wouldn't never they would have never did Matt.
I say, Matt, hey, bro, these niggas ain't good. Bro,
you know what I mean, Like if you come mean,
just rock with me, dog, like I'm telling you, like
I know what you can do. Because I needed somebody

(53:07):
else that could like facilitate to think with you know
what I mean. And like when we was in college,
we like if he want to press I'm already there,
so we was already in sync. And I was like, man,
I'm telling you, Dog and ship gonna work and this
food start bawling. Dog. I swear to god, he was
winning guys for us, and it was like it wasn't
expected because of like how he came in and then

(53:28):
all of a sudden, it's like he's starting now. He'd
a bona fide six man. It was just like Nellie
could almost do because of hot Matt started. He felt
like he could do whatever he wanted with Matt. But
Matt was successful in any fucking thing, even if he
didn't play. He was still intrical, so you know how
he is on the you know what I mean, just

(53:49):
like and then that led to like, all right, we
gotta play him. Then remember the Philly game. I was like, hey, bro,
that food. How many threes you hit? Like we play Philly?
We just thinking about it. What it was funny we
just talked about because I was like, man, uh it
was one of the coaches. He was like, I can't
stand out again, cheeks. And I was like, man, yeah,

(54:11):
you know, I'm like mo chix here let god like,
but funck him. Dog, Let's go No no, no offense, Cheks,
but you know that mentality, Like my dog was like
I got more points in my career to Moe Cheeks.
So no, but my dog was righting and when he
was right and I was like, man, I was feeding
that food the ball he had like six threes. He

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was doing some crazy shit and I was like, that's
what I'm talking about. And then after that, Molly was like, Yo,
we're gonna make a move, you know what I mean,
because we gotta get some more energy. He was like,
what you think about stack Jack? And now I was like, hell, yeah,
this mother land on the hospital bit ship. You was

(54:52):
hurt at the time though right where you hurt. They
didn't know, they didn't know. We knew each other because
we are the whole time. Don't break that down because
I obviously I wasn't privy to the information at the time. Well,
first of all, we was already talking now brother, But Stephen, Stephen, ye,

(55:17):
that guy, what's up? That's what? Yeah? What was you
just coming off? At that time? I was coming off.
I was coming out shootout, still club, getting all my
teeth knocked out, getting hit by a car, having plastic
surgery for two hours with no anesthesia. I called him immediately.
But look, this is this is one of the craziest

(55:38):
phone called my turn, my boy beat They called me
on time after everything. They're gone at my mom's FOW.
I can't really talk, you know, I've been fighting everything.
Soon as I lay in a bed, you know, and
trying to relax room, you know, my phone rain Hello,
It's term of b D. You're good food were on
the way, Yeah I can't. I was like, oh, good, good,

(56:06):
all right, we just want to turn with the background
bad were all the way. I said, now I'm good,
but they called to check them. But I always want
to say that when I got traded, they didn't know that. Man,
Beatie was are you know what I'm saying? Was already cool.
They were just trading to make your team. But they
didn't know our relationship because I had think. I remember
I talked to Mars yea. I was like, all right,
Stack the night up. I was like, all right, Stack, one,

(56:29):
ain't we know you to really know? All right? You
know what I mean? You trump everybody? You win? You
know what I mean? You win, bro, and it ain't
gonna be and it ain't gonna be another now Ann
come through, like you, bro, it's time to stop. I
got him, and it's crazy because that because he's still

(56:50):
in Indiana. I'm like, yo, bro, you alright, alright enough bro,
you're trying to like are you trying to die? You
know what I mean? Like, Yo, you do have a
lot of money, and like ship on, like come on, man,
like ship man with me. You have nothing to prove,
you have nothing. I was like, mom, I got him.

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I'm gonna be responsible for him, you know, like I'm
gonna make sure. And he was like, man, I got you, fine,
got you in any And then we wanted him trade
and that was like a whole little ship in the background.
Like I didn't like to trade. At first. I was mad.
He had just got bad. Yeah, he had just got
back to Yeah he was mad. That's why he was mad.

(57:32):
I was mad. He was like bad fun man, I
just got here. Bro. Now Jack got traded again. But
walk us through that time like once they a rod.
Because we didn't jail right away. I missed the first
seven games when we got there, suspended. Yes, yeah, I
had missed. I was suspended seven games and then I
got hurt. Did you see this motherfucker? I said, miss

(57:54):
he gonna get a rate suspended. Yeah, different because you
didn't really you didn't really snow games from being hurt.
You missed games for being suspended. Yeah for real, don
for real, all the games you missed was suspending. Yeah,
you ain't never missed. You missed seven the year we
went like forty nine and whatever, it was forty two
and forty two then, and it was some seven games.

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You guys suspended that ship. You know what I mean
when you think about it, like we needed you, bro,
it was everything, you know what I mean? It was
everything when y'all came, it was just a new energy. Man.
Y'all had like the energy was there, but I had
just like kind of like all right, man, I like
at least were good enough, you know what I mean,
y'all motherfucker's came like rolly motherfucker's up like Peaches and

(58:40):
like I'm like, oh my yeah, yeah, Peaches gag banging
like with like a week mercy. I don't finally got
these dudes settling in and like playing around now. Peaches
coming to practice, so rude, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh fun. Yeah,

(59:10):
shout out my features man. That's my boy man. That's
really like that kind of energy. That was the kind
of energy that y'all brought to the team. And like
I said, once we kind of figured it out a
little bit. What was the Detroit where we kind of
got it. It was Detroit that was that game because
being scared, it was scared, it was good. It was
just what it was. But he came in the locker
room after that game was a Washington game. No, no,

(59:33):
at the Detroit game. You came in the locker room
because we went a game. He was like, bro, we
can really turn And we talked about the whole playing
right home, we can really turn this. We stayed up
and we was talking about like yo, damn, like if
these dudes couldn't funk with us, you know what I mean,
Like it ain't no way, Like I mean, were just
like figuring out an off then you uh uh And

(59:56):
like we know j Rinz good for forty We know
out any not good for forty Monte, Okay, you yelled
the brains in the defense. He's doing all the talk
and getting everybody the right place and then be at
your start just starting Yeah, exactly who we need him
to do? Couldn't shoot free throws? H Hey, we got
Goose paid though, I mean you really got He should

(01:00:19):
have bought me a house, and ye, I said, bro,
if I get you paid, just bought me some property
and your country doc. I don't. I'm one of vacation house.
Let me tell you one thing about Goose. He wasn't
just the best player, but he catches everything the best hands.
And I don't care where you throw the past to him,
he catching that best hands. He and he was so

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basketball intelligent and he just knew where to be. I
remember with Goose Man like I ain't gonna tell you
why he got the name. I was just thinking that.
I just think, but you can tell he's saying the
league long. But he was young, bro. He came to
the team, Yeah, just turned nineteen, and they had him

(01:01:00):
out partying the Euros and ship your opians party. And
then I caught him in the club because yeah, but
it's that was But I was in the club and
he was like you know, b and I jammed him
up real quick because I knew I couldn't. I was like, hey, bro,
I don't want to see this ship. You should be

(01:01:22):
starting next year. You should be don out out of that.
I was like, you can have your fun right now,
but when you come back next year, I'm not I'm
not having none of this ship. You got a chance
to like fun. These dudes, these dudes are terrible, you
know what I mean, Like they're not gonna be here.
You can be here, bro, don't get caught up in
that ship. You feel what I'm saying. Funk with me,
and I just remember I I just like jammed him

(01:01:44):
up because I felt like that kid could be special,
you know what I mean. And when you watch like
what he was for us, he was like like we
could he could, We could put him on Tim Duncan
and not double ye. Tim Duncan was gonna kill me,
you know what I mean. What he was the couple
of things that he would do right. You don't have

(01:02:06):
to be in rotations now, Montean Parker. Either I got
you Nobli, you got Jan Nobli and now we're wearing dude,
you know what I mean. And he played quarterback and
so Dial didn't have no advantage, you know what I mean.
So it was like Goose was like that type of
dude that was just a complimented him well though, and
Al was the perfect problem with Al was Alan Nelly

(01:02:29):
riff about Alt playing the five. I didn't feel like
he was and and and al didn't want to be
a out, didn't want to be the five. And it
wasn't so much of hit Like what like, do remember
that y'all main game? Like that motherfucker was like it
was just taking so much away from his off. After
that game he played, he set out about two weeks

(01:02:52):
after that game too, he played he fronted the ship
out of y'all. Man, he had a hell of he
had a hell of a game and we needed out
of be more like the j Rich you know what
I mean. But like I understood where he was like
playing the five because he just had to do he consistently.
But that was his minute five. If you played the fo,

(01:03:13):
I played the four. You know what I'm saying. Was
going with the small ship. So we hit our run.
What do we were in twenty We went eighteen out
of the last eighteen at the last twenty three games
or something like that. I got kicked out the last
game of the season. And now they're like, bro okay,
you can get kicked out, but remember because we won
the last game in Portland. Yeah, to make the playoffs
in that game. You didn't play right. I kicked out,

(01:03:34):
Remember they clipped me, and Nearly came to like, look,
don't get suspended. Yeah, you get kicked out, but don't
get suspended. So I got kicked out and I left
it alone. He came grabbing, and I left it alone.
It is the most It is the cleanest kick I've
ever had. I made sure I got kicked out, but
I left it alone. You've never seen me do that,
because Nearly told me what happened. Huh you finished there
the last game? And then remember Clippers had lost to somebody. Yeah,

(01:03:58):
I was yeah, the same night. So you know, I've
been like researching all that ship. I've been watching all
the clips and I've been pulling clips from the announcements
and the announcers and like all the ship that they
were saying, like the dudes who was announcing the Clipper game,
but they were saying about us, what what what our
announcers of office Gerald and Jim Barnett what they were saying.

(01:04:19):
So it was almost like it was like this fucking
you know, this whatever, this hour glass of time taking away.
And I remember Dallas beat the Clippers. Remember they sat
out against stuff and then they sat out against us,
but it was it was I feel like they had
another game in between where they played again you know

(01:04:42):
what I mean, the blood in the water, and so
we kind of took that ship in disrespect. I remember,
I was sucking. We were we were hot that they
didn't want to like, like, y'all give us the fair fight.
Remember he was like, yo, we can't get the fair fight.
Ya don't want to put us out? Now put us
out our miss and you know what it was after
if he knew what it was. Once we got in

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the playoffs, I've never seen Nellie move that fast in
my life. He was like, look, hey, that was his championship.
He just wanted to beat out of him one time too,
because we were talking about what happened in the second way,
It's like, let me checked out second round, bro, you
know he checked out. We got our drug tests. He
the first one in the time of giving Utah. He no,

(01:05:25):
I know he checked out because he kept playing your
mement on core and we didn't. It was like and
then Stack and then then stacking. Nellie started getting into
it because Stack, like, man, I ain't known. It was
no way that I can help my team offensively and
guard him and Boozer. It was no way we had

(01:05:46):
the best match up with Al versus Boozer, and we
didn't take advantage of that. And nobody knew that Al
had us, you know what I mean, like like we're
supposed to be, like the coach is supposed to be
like yo, Al Boozer does not want to Funk had
a career destroying Yeah, you know what I mean. And

(01:06:07):
we didn't know that at the time, but it was
everybody at that point was just goddamn, just like, man,
I can't play the fire I'm playing. But we still
had the two games. Still, we still had them. They
called a bullshit as a second violation. Yeah, yeah, that
that was that was really the one. The free throws two,
but the eight seconds that was some bulls. Some bush

(01:06:29):
was calling the niggers. They had pictures of Jack up
in the in the jail police in the life, jail suit,
j carboard cutout. Hey, god, that was our core honors
like Hotel Davis. Yeah, everybody remember, yeah maybe that little
white girls. Look this little white girl. She was like,

(01:06:52):
fuck you, Baron Davis, Like damn might to shoot a
free through because we smoked the whole hotel. I had
the whole city high time. I remember when we got
to Utah. I mean, we can talk about the basketball ship,
but I think the off the court ship. We got
to Utah. Remember Nelly put all of us right next
to each other on the same floor with the gym

(01:07:12):
fan at the end of the hall because he already
knew what it was. But like, what kind of coach
does that though? Because yeah, it was going down heavily
down every ship. When was that we couldn't smoke with
and everybody was like we had like a little was
that Miami where we had like a mini like uh yeah.

(01:07:38):
Came to practice the next day in the same close
we landed. We land at twelve, We got practice at nine.
We get back to the hotel by s. Everybody get
on the bus with all their clothes on. We get
to shoot around. Then they come out on the court.
Nobody woman, everybody on the sideline. He said, man, bring
it in, get back on the bus and we better

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win by thirty. And we showed hell one by thirty
went out to mind when our mind to beat we was,
we was chilling like this smoking us allus feeding for
a smoke. God damn. I was like, no, man, we

(01:08:24):
are here smoking dejarms and cigars. I was like ship.
It felt like we were. It felt like we was
on some of vacation for two days. I was walking
on the bea smoking cigars, Like, man, you get another
pack of cigarettes, like smoking or goddamn cigarettes black and

(01:08:48):
miles black dejarms. What was the other one? Uh? What
was the other ones? In the little tin can? Remember
we had them a little or whatever. So that was
one thing about that team. That team like all rocked
together off the court. He was all rocking together the
whole everybody. I forgot about them, the drums dog, I

(01:09:09):
forgot about this. What about the story when Baron came
in his uh, in his cowboy outfit, remember that, Jack.
I'm just gonna let you know I'm showing up. I'm
dressing up tonight. Just be prepared. So I'm like, all right, cool, dude,
ain't but I know how you do. So I didn't.
Once they Once he gave me the word, I spread
the word to everybody. Prepared. Everybody on the team, get

(01:09:29):
here early. Baron putting on the show. He comes in
the locker room, cowboy hat, cowboys shirt, broke boots, the
whole sine and just standing in the middle locker room
and looking around to everybody. But what was what was
behind that though? What was the reason you didn't have
to read in the fashion game of Jack? You know
what I mean? You know, yeah, you know, I think

(01:09:56):
it was in Texas? Was we're in Texas? That was
a g Oh just came back from barely. I got something,
you know, I got some ship from San Antonio. Want
the floss? Could wait to break that outfit out? Remember
we got it. I got in trouble from wearing a
bullet for door in the playoffs. They was talking about
suspending me. I remember that. I remember that M six.

(01:10:20):
That's right. I was trying to suspend this damn there
every game, each other down, dog sninging, Jack run out,
Matt padding down? Are you clearing? Like you clear the flight?

(01:10:42):
Everybody waiting for him to get out of jail because
you got things like we're making this rus so we're
just trying to have fun. We didn't think that big
of a deal until David Stirn saw that ship and
they told us to stop, like three or four TV
and just him. He the one that stopped because he
got the point where I wouldn't even put my hands
and I'm just running the chest. But he's just still

(01:11:05):
his ass. Bro. He would when we can get away
with what about Baron when you lived in Frisco playing
playing your guitar with shirt off, play your guitar for
the for other people coming out the bar to D'Angelo,
you know what I mean, get the coustic, good car,
your shirt off, take my shirt off, sit on the

(01:11:27):
ledge and be like, maybe I thought it was me.
It was that Baron Davids, that Baron Davis. Damn, I
ain't know he can play him in there. I'm in
the baby oil. That's how bar we had baby or No,
I really know what kind of the best ones to

(01:11:49):
explain this? Can you please explain bt pregame routween which
one the shot to take? When you say there you go,
there go, there you go. It's warm my shooting around warm.
There's no shot that you were shot in the regular day.

(01:12:09):
But he practiced all the weirdest shots. So we're messing
with him the whole year, and next thing you know,
he shooting one of the shots in the game. He
see what you did it on accident though, Yeah, he
used to be like there you go. He got there
you go, and I'll just be over there like jump
inside the off hand, but we got footage of it.

(01:12:30):
We gotta Yeah, that ship was legendary. So we're gonna
do this. We believe dr absolutely Bro got to They
need to hear. It can be too much today, but
it's fun. There's so much more. We just all sat
down the ruining Storm. We gotta do it. It's coming show.
I feel like, I mean, it definitely needs to be told.

(01:12:51):
I feel like it's like that the Bay Area, what
the Bay Area was when it was becoming, you know
what I mean, and like almost what it is now
because it's way different, but it's more commercial. You know,
it's like not commercial, but it's open. Like the bay
is so authentic that it's like that ship pop, you

(01:13:12):
know what I'm saying. And like when we was on
TV and like fucking we believe fans in China, you
know what I mean. Like Oakland was a destination, the
Bay Area became like a destination. Remember other dudes was
in our locker room. Motherfucker's was like yo, I want
to go play, and so like I feel like it's

(01:13:32):
like our story the Bay story, the music, you know
what I mean. Like I was talking to Mr fab
He was there every game, rest the piece, he was
there every game, and he was over there haggling everybody else,
you know what I'm saying, right off the left of
the center court, almost close to their bench. So he
was talking to everybody. He was a part of that

(01:13:54):
runs in the streets too heavy, Yes, in the hood
on both sides of the bridge. Yeah, was. And I
feel like we kind of brought the Bay Area together.
What I realized was Oakland and San Francisco was really
fucking with each other. Shout out Steazy, you know what

(01:14:14):
I mean. Shout out the hommies from Fillmore, the hummies
from Oakland, from East Oakland, West Oakland, all them dudes.
It's kind of like they fucked with us, you know
what I mean. They really was, like, Yo, we rock
with y'all. They took care of us, you know what
I mean. They let us be, you know, they like, yeah,

(01:14:34):
the year they let us be. They let us be
who we were. They gave us freedom, you know what
I mean. Back to the Asian Ship, bro, they funk
with us. Super Super Super Super Games Club Friends, Dinners,

(01:14:55):
all that ship, you know what I mean. It's like
like I got I got my nieces married to an
Asian you know what I mean. Wasn't the one out
Asian fans that started to come on. Man, it was
like it was like a fucking It was just like
a thing when nobody tripping yo, you know what I mean,
And like we was all fucking with each other. So
that's why I feel like all the ships that you're doing,

(01:15:18):
all the ship you doing speaking on cultures, speaking to
you know, equality and inclusion and ship like that, It's
like that's what this we believe doc is, you know
what I mean. It's like, yeah, we went and we
hoped and we did win the championship, but we did
some other ship and we're still doing ship, you know

(01:15:38):
what I mean. And it's like all still a part
of this, you know, greater aligne focus you feel them
saying absolutely bit so we believe season we're losing the
second round. Next year we come back and win more
games with miss the playoffs and then your contract is up.
You get it. You wanted to stay. I did get it.

(01:16:00):
Head this all got in bandits came in the locker room,
said Jack, I didn't get it. I didn't get they
were and for what I understand, the numbers worked too
far off. They just didn't want to give it to you.
Fucking dumbass, dumbass, fucking Bobby Rob just the dumbest motherfucker

(01:16:23):
in the world. Because it was just like, yo, Bro,
we got a killer team, were winning. I told you
before I got here, give me three years and I'm
gonna turn this ship around. But it's dead. You asked me.
I told you. I said three or four years, we're
gonna be straight were people don't want to come here,

(01:16:44):
and we're gonna have life. I did it in three
you know what I mean. We're coming off the playoffs.
We got promised, man, pay me my money, bro. Matter
of fact, how can we work this ship out? Because
I know Mante gotta come. We gotta keep jack aula
free agent, you know what I mean. We gotta pay Matt.
You know. I was all telling you, like, man, I
was trying to get Matt more money for the Warriors,

(01:17:05):
you know what I mean. And I was just like, Yo,
this is how this ship needs to go, you know
what I'm saying. And then it was just like my
fucker was just posture and talking about, oh, you've been hurt,
we need you to play, you know, a full season
and all that, and I was like, what what is
that gonna do? You know what I'm saying, And so
that's when I came out and I was like, damn,

(01:17:26):
this a cold guy. And you gotta remember I'm still
like my own agent. And you played the next year, right,
oh oh nine season? You played all every single game
I played. I always say I played eighty one and
a half. Remember they suspended me for one game. I
don't know why for the half of me and play
me the hole half in Phoenix? Oh that's right? For

(01:17:47):
what because they can do that because they knew, so
they can. Basically, I don't know, bro. I just feel
like it was some back in, some back channeling ship
and if you see all, that ship just kind of
fell apart, you know what I mean, Because we saw that.
So we talked. We had Gilbert yesterday and we talked
to the other side because he said, that's what kind
of got him going was they knew that you were

(01:18:09):
leaving Golden State and then the Golden State was offering
him the max. What do you say, a five million
dollar house of the helicopter. They offered Gilbert aren it's
a hundred and six millions and offered me thirty no guaranteed.
Why wouldn't I leave? Right you? It sucked us up
there like we were sucked up, and it was crazy

(01:18:33):
because and then they paid Corey mcgetty fifty, Ronnie tore
Off eighteen, and whoever else was two more people. So
like you basically gave it, you still have. You gave
them money away. But shout out to my homies because
off I always like for you. Oh they never got paid.
I wouldn't got some of that. When they trained everybody,

(01:18:54):
I said, your deal with Nellie right, No with Bobby,
But when they told him, look walking to about and yeah,
it's like you know they It goes to show you
that one you're undervalue, you're always underappreciate it, right, and
you work for them. And it wasn't about winning. It
was I'm gonna tell you how how all this ship happened?

(01:19:17):
Remember the playoff checks? Mm hmm. Remember people in the
Warriors executive office was mad because they didn't they weren't
getting our playoff check yep, yep, and everybody, and it
started creating all these riffs because they got mad because

(01:19:38):
we wanted to give our money to eat Yep Tom,
Big John, Gebo, all the people who was winning with
the assistant training to eat Tom. At the time that
we had a little everybody was like, you know, we
want to take care of everybody. And then the higher
upwards was like, yeah, we don't get no playoff check.

(01:20:00):
It's like it was like remember Jay Rich was like, man,
I don't even want my check. I'm getting yeah, yeah,
And I just started to check and man, motherfuckers was
looking like, oh, that's fucked up. And then I just
started a riff and you show and it showed like
the greed. I remember sitting back and I was like, man,
he's so greaty motherfucker. Nobody worked harder than in that organization,

(01:20:22):
but they can you know. And it all came back
to me like, Yo, what did everybody you know? It's
like old bro Jay Rich did that. That's what he
wanted to I had to explain to everybody, and at
that point it was just like, man, these people are
not they don't get it. They don't get it. And
then the owner he had come out with some tax
problems and like one million bucks, so it was like,

(01:20:45):
that's why the Warriors changed hands. I wish I could
have got some skin into that though. Damn. So you're
off to the Clippers, going home. But though at the
same time some challenges you went Donald Sterling bump as
heavily talked to us about your experience with them, because
you thought he was gonna come with Elton Brand. Elon
Brand needs up leaving the free agency. Yeah, Elm Brand

(01:21:07):
a sucker to Fucky, but I'm cool with him now.
But yeah, yeah, I mean he always been a good dude.
It's just his agent. Just I mean, I can't even
father to do for taking money, taking more money, but
you lie to me, you meant, and I was like, yeo,
we're doing this. We figured out how to make the

(01:21:27):
money work, and they got took less to make your
money work, you know what I mean. And so you
let David folks kind of come in and like, you know,
come here, boy. Don't you know what I mean? Kind
of come here? Boyd you you know what I mean?
I don't come here, boy, hey man onhing they you
donna do tweak about it. Facts is facts. And so

(01:21:50):
when I did that, I was already like god, damn,
so once the el Brand because I call Elmon Brand.
Think this is all the way up to the deadline. Man,
this niked talking every day. Bro. He was like, all right, man,
as soon as you saw it, I'm gonna saw. I
was like, all right, I'm about to commit. Bum I commit,
And I called that nigga. He was like, oh, bro,
I'm about to go out of town. So I couldn't

(01:22:12):
even catch him. So I'm like, now I've committed. And
then that's when the Warriors did to like Gilbert ship
and like you know what I'm saying. But and then
I went to set with Nelly and Nelly was like, Yo,
you ain't gonna wanna fucking play for that dude. He
was like, just come on back, you know what I mean.
We'll see if we can get you the money, you
know what I mean. I was like, look, Coach, I'm
kind of like at this point, I'm done. Like I'd

(01:22:33):
rather go that la, whatever I get. I just want
to build my ship up at home, you know what
I mean. If I can do this for the Clippers
that I did here, like man, I'll be a living legend,
you know what I mean. He was like, all right,
I'm telling you ain't gonna play for that dude, ain't
he won line? So you had a chance to get

(01:22:53):
it right and didn't make it right. And no, they
weren't gonna get it right when I went back, because
that's because I was about to say no, I want
I went back. It was still non guarantee. They was.
They was basically saying, we're not gonna guarantee money because
you're injury prone. Okay, because I thought you had I
thought you said that you had a chance to go
back and get them. They offered Gilbert Arenas one off six.

(01:23:15):
So when Nellie talked to me, they were not they
were gonna offer me like dollars. He like, I take
the fucking I'm gonna take this, you know. So he
was still low. He wasn't really trying to make it right.
He was just trying to get you there. And at
that point, like Nellie didn't. I don't know what kind
of power Nellie had, but Bobby Rowle, it just wasn't
gonna happen. And that's how Bobby Rowl and Chris Mullen

(01:23:38):
and all everybody started falling out. Because Chris mull remember
he came to me, it was like yo, bro, I
got you. When we was in Hawaii. It was in Hawaii.
He was like, yo, bro, I got you, I got you.
We're gonna get this right. So everybody thought I was
gonna get paid in Hawaii. And that's when I came back.
When we came back home, I was like, I didn't
get it, you know what I mean, like, fucking let's

(01:23:58):
go who mm hmmm mm. So you get to the Clippers, uh,
young Blake Griffin, you kind of start really the the
Lob City era for there with you. What was that experience?
Like talk about the basketball experience, but then also talk
about because I remember playing one time against you and
how fucked up Sterling was and you man, I've been
He's been doing this this and not to me to

(01:24:20):
talk about the basketball and talk about the Sterling ship. Yeah,
I mean, you know, Sterling is Sterling. Lucky. I didn't
do something crazy to him. Got every opportunity too. And
so I was like at a point where I was like,
maybe this is something guy, I want me to deal with,
you know what I mean, I had never really dealt with.

(01:24:43):
I won't even call it racism, bro. It was like
he was a hate everybody is you know what I'm saying.
And he was prejudiced and he didn't give a funk
about people, you know what I mean. And I was
his highest paid employee at the time, and he would
talk to to everyone but me, and I remember telling
him one time. I said. He was like, you just

(01:25:05):
don't kid it. You just don't kid it due you.
I said, no, you don't get it. Your highest paid employee,
you have yet to talk to me, so I don't
give a funk what you do. He was like, I
walked off. I'm the highest person you've ever paid. Bro,
I ain't no fucking dummy, you know what I mean.

(01:25:27):
And so it was just a lot of like he
was upset that I was the highest paid. Also like
I'm playing for done Levy and so Done Leaving wants control,
you know what I'm saying. And he wants Chris Caman
to be the guy because he wants to lean in
towards the big guys, you know. And fuck Chris Kaman,

(01:25:48):
sorry as fuck. I mean, he's talented, but he's sorry. Right,
we ain't gonna window games throwing about it. Chris came right,
but and then he went and then he was like
post and like his ship was ice So if somebody
was ice on and the cooking, that's who we're going with.
And I'm like, yeoh, it's a long ass fucking gang.
Can we get some transition buckets? You know? It's like
every shot felt like you were under a microscope, or

(01:26:11):
you felt like you were in in a structure, you
know what I mean. That you couldn't pay. And I
remember my second year, Dean Demopolis, he was like, yo, bro,
your fucking Picasso, Like whatever box they give you, just
go paint. And then that was like the next year,
if you saw it, I think that Chris came and
made the All Star. But the next year is like

(01:26:33):
because Blake got hurt. The next year, I was just
like doing whatever I wanted. The third year, I come
in and hurt. That's when that's when Blake take off.
And then when I come in playing with Blake, I
was still hurt. But like for those months at month,
it was like nobody could funk with us, bro, you
know what I mean. And I would just slang like

(01:26:53):
I give the ball out from how you know, half court,
and so that motherfucker will blank him. And DeAndre Wou
was bamming and it was just like we needed better players,
you know what I mean, around us to round it out.
But it it started to feel like promise. And that
was Vinny del Negro and then Vinnie the Vinde the
Snake I call him, and so vinnydale Negro wasn't doing

(01:27:14):
nothing but lying, you know what I mean. And then
that's when I got traded to Cleveland. But they was
like I was. I was the racist ship, bro. Like
every day I come into the Clipper facility, Bro, people
be crying and ship to lose my job. He cuts
me out like balling. I'm like, man, fuck him, it's
about us. So I had to like go in there

(01:27:37):
and like that ship was crazy because it's like, uh
now now, um Golden State was dead Clippers, that's just
fucked up, bro. That is like the dude using the media.
You used the Clippers as his marketing tool. Everybody on
the Clippers life for Mike Dunlevy is the coach in

(01:27:59):
the GM. So I remember we used to make jokes like, man,
motherfucker's got better be quiet. Motherfucker's got cameras around here.
And I used to be like, I don't give a
funk about no cameras and be quiet, like you know
what I mean. And so it became like a culture
of snitching right to kind of appease him, you know
what I mean. But he didn't give a ship about

(01:28:20):
the team. It was just a trinket, right, And so
you were just I had some black dude, you know
what I mean. I watched some parade blake through the
fucking one of his parties, one of you know, one
of his holiday parties, and Vinnie done that girl sat
there and watched and I was like, man, fuck that,
you know what I mean. I ain't I it was

(01:28:42):
just hard for me to like play like that, you
know what I mean. And it's like I'm here at home,
like is this what my career is coming to? Like
God damn dog, Like what the fund did I do
to play for in this type of ship? It's some
real bullshit. So you go to clear brief stint theory.
It's New York after that. York was after that. So

(01:29:05):
you find your foot and you're playing well. Then you
have one of the most devastating knee injuries I've ever seen.
Take us back to that time, what were what was
your immediate thought? Was it get back now I started
laughing at that point after that. I mean, I they
got slid in front of Swiss Beats and the Lisa

(01:29:25):
Kings and Ship, two of my favorite artists. My ship
over here. I'm like looking at them they like and
I'm like, oh, man, ain't this a bit you know
what I mean? Like Okay, I just started laughing and
it was just like damn. I was like, put that
ship in. They put it in. And then at that
point it was just like I just okayd my knee

(01:29:48):
cap to my uh A c L M C L
everything everything Bro, everything was gone. Bro. It was gone,
like my knee at bait, like my knee cap. It
was like damn near I think it was over here
m hm. And so I'm sitting on the floor like
put that ship in bow. They put it in, and

(01:30:09):
I was just like they carried me off on the
stretcher and I was like, damn, dun. I never thought
I leave an arena understanding renovation in the stretcher, you
know what I mean. And after that it was just
like man, fuck it. And I think for me like
when I started like just playing and even playing in
the D League and all that, like just coming back.
It was just like me trying to find myself again

(01:30:33):
through basketball. I want to really trip it on the
NBA because at some point I always envisioned myself never
being the veteran dude at the end of the bench
taking money, you know what I mean, from some young
dude that's coming in that could have promise, you know
what I mean. So it was always meant for me

(01:30:53):
to just like, oh, I'm out, you know what I'm saying,
because I didn't want to end up just like holding
on on, you know what I'm saying. In that year
in New York, I walked in and my back was
sucked up, so they were like, yeah, we'll take a
chance on you, you know what I mean. I was like,
all right, cool, And then next thing you know, I'm
playing Jeremy Lynn gets hurt and he's supposed to come

(01:31:17):
back height healthy, and he's like, no, I ain't coming
back because he didn't want to suck up, you know,
his little insanity because he knew I was gonna get paid.
So I just, you know, I felt like that was
like low key, like kind of coward, you know what
I mean, because I'm sucking holding it down and I'm
playing like thirty minutes, forty minutes, I'm getting shots like
my backet. So it was just like it was bound

(01:31:39):
to happen, and I never forget it was in the playoffs.
I tell Shump because he tours the CEE the game
before and I was like, man, don't worry about it.
Don finally found my ship, my magic dog. I'm gonna
work out with you every day. You know what I mean,
like ship, So take a month off. And then I
heard my ship. And then I was like, all right, well, ship,

(01:32:00):
time to go write the movies. Dude, you know what
I mean. Hurt one thing about you though, You've always
had your mind in business, even back in college. So
the ones you've said is that that transition switch hit
for you. You were ready to hit that probably t
folks better than anybody, um better than you know, better

(01:32:22):
than both athletes and talked to us, talk to us
where that mindset came from? The business mindset? Man? Just
uh being curious. I think that comes from just like
being curious, afraid to fail. Like when they said, um,

(01:32:44):
I was like, athletes, go bro. I was like, that
scared you scared you ship out of me? M You
know what I mean, and so I wanted to know
where every dollar was that I spent, got raw, got cheated, misinvested,
over invested, bad deal, do you know what I mean?

(01:33:06):
Like at least I know because I just don't believe
it ship, you know what I mean? And so at
every moment it was more so like a fear. But
that fear made me just like hold up, do the
research and then be like fucking dog, like I'm not
gonna I'm probably not gonna ever be as great as

(01:33:27):
I need to be or have the legacy that I
need to be. But you know, fuck it, I'm gonna
walk these steps. I'm gonna miss out on cash, I'm
gonna miss out on ship. But if I walk to
walk that, I want to walk down when it's time
to like tell my story hopefully like the people are
in line that I funk with to do that, you
know what I mean. Talk a little bit about you.

(01:33:49):
You touched on it earlier, But how did the actual
vitamin water situation come because you were a big piece
of that that I don't think a lot of people know. Yeah,
So I was I was do up, you know, I
just got the max, So I was do up for
sneaker deal and uh and like a beverage deal or whatnot.
And I think it was Sprite and my boy was
that sprite and I was. He was like, yeah, I'm

(01:34:10):
gonna get your deal done, and then I'm leaving. I'm
just letting you know, I ain't gonna be working with you.
You're gonna be working with somebody else. Haven't brought somebody else?
And I would be leaving. I'm like, where the fun
you're going. It's like going to a company called Vitamin Water.
And I was like, Vitamin Water. Hell, no, dog, that
ship nasty. Rico be drinking that ship and that shaid

(01:34:30):
me give me diarrhea at his workouts, you know what
I mean. Don't do that ship, bro, that shi it
ain't cool. He was like, nah, they're great founders and
great company. Was like it's a startup, so they learning.
They switching the flavoring. And I was like, but Rico
love that ship. And Rico used to always drink Vitamin
Waters's and so I was like, damn Vitamin Water, Like

(01:34:53):
that's kind of like the wave of the future, you
know what I mean, that's like the future. Dog like
vitamin and water. Thinking if I can fucking you know,
get the taste right, you know, I like, the ship
can sit on my stomach. I'm cool. And so he
was like, no, they're fixing the They're fixing the taste.
And I was like, well, if you leave in sprite,
I'm going on which m hmm. I want to learn

(01:35:15):
that ship teach me, Like, let me work for you.
He was like, we can't afford you. I was like, man,
you can afford me. Like I don't need the money,
you know what I mean, like fucking give me the
money in equity or something like how much money. He
was like, man, get that ship to me and and
stop just put it. But I don't even don't even
give me no cash a matter of fact, let me
get this. What if I get on TV? What if

(01:35:37):
I do this? What if I do this? And then
I just started like thinking of ship because at the
same time I was doing my Rebok deal now my
Rebok deal, and I had plane. I was the first
first dude to negotiate the plane. I was the first
dude to negotiate a car. I was one of the
first dudes to negotiate money to foundation and a you right,

(01:36:01):
So it was like a double hit and the merchandise,
which was a triple hit. I negotiated, I get a
jersey sign, but I get every every jersey they make.
I get like up to five of those jerseys. Do
mass I should have kept them shipped. So and I
used to get all the players after the thing sign
New Jersey. So it was just all that vacation. I like,

(01:36:21):
my deal was so like incentive heavy, and it was
like less cash because what I figured out was rappers
used the record label money to pay for their lifestyle.
So I was like, all right, I just used rebox
to pay for my lifestyle. I got my NBA contract
as my nest egg, you know what I mean. So

(01:36:41):
like put more money into all the goofy ships that
I need, right so I can have a plane, you
know what I mean, and ship like that. But then
the Vitamin water thing is like I don't even want
no money, just give me the stop. And then I
started watching this company. You just could start like growing
and went from the bodega like was at the w
Then it was like the bodega. Then it was with

(01:37:03):
the Warriors. I would leave because they would have these
regional meetings, so I would have to go and meet
like all the sales, reps and ship and then at
one point it was like fifty people. The next time
it was like two orangent and fifty, And that's when
I started learning, like, oh ship. Like then Tata came in,
bought um bought in like thirty and I got a

(01:37:25):
big check. And I was like, bro, this is a
way bigger check than when I'm onna gift than I
would have got a sprite over the last few years,
and I had more coming, you know what I mean.
So that's kind of like how I got into it.
I was really it was me saying like, yeah, I'm
gonna represent myself. I'm gonna figure out my worth. I
knew I wanted to make music. I knew I wanted

(01:37:47):
to make movies, you know what I mean. I knew
I wanted to be a creative right, and so I
wanted people to spend money on me that way, you
know what I'm saying, so I can have like the
oppera scenity to do that shift for other players. So
I was just using myself as an agent, as a player,
as a market and as like a test case for

(01:38:09):
if I did want to be an agent or anything else.
For like the next generation marketing whatever it was. So
directing debut, uh Domino's the Drew League doc um. Two
things I think that adult those your slick platform and
what you're doing with Black Santa. Can you talk to
talk about those? Yeah? I say for me, Black Santa

(01:38:30):
changed my life because I actually started having to live right,
you know, because because you know, I want it just
kind of like, you know, start thinking about I've never
met a jolly, friendly, on time, gift giving positive black
man in my life. And so with that, it was like, damn, bro,

(01:38:55):
like we don't have that growing up. We ain't never
seen and the ship kind of funny, and so why
don't we create that for Black Santa? And then with him,
let's have him be the celebration of characters and cultures
and holidays and things like that. So everybody has a

(01:39:16):
story to tell, right, and what better person to be
like the DJ, the host than you know, a Black
Santa clause because he's he's different, you know, he is
the minority, and so you know, with Black Santa is
just really like the first way it was like just

(01:39:37):
get out T shirts things like that to your people,
get to support, but like work on the story. So
now the content and the storytelling, the aspect around it
is something that my kids want to see they learn
to grow into. Right, we as adults want to see
and help our kids. Right, but other cultures can also

(01:39:57):
see us in the different lights. When you think of
about treyvon Martin, when you think about you know, the
our perception you feel I'm saying, our perception and society
is fucked up. And it's because of our perception that
and the and the and the stories that people are
articulating that are our stories, you know what I mean?

(01:40:19):
And so I was like, funk that Black Santa Yo
is positive, Black Santa is inclusive, Black Santa is about
like every the beauty of being black in his world,
you know what I mean? It all all the blackness
that you can find. We're gonna go find that treasure. Right.
So for Black History Month, we do a coloring book

(01:40:42):
right with all the black you know, black figures that
you know I'm finding out. You know I already knew,
But it just gives us an opportunity to create characters
that can tell stories that can educate our kids, educate others.
And now they have a more invitable palette. When they're

(01:41:03):
dealing with us, you know what I mean? And I
think that has always been what's happening, what's happened to
us in society? Bro, It's like, motherfucker's are we want
to pigeon hold us to the stereotypes? They want to
keep you where you at. Maybe we talked about this.
They want to keep you where you at, Bro, you

(01:41:25):
know what I mean. And and so like we gotta
keep breaking the ceiling, we gotta keep jumping out the
crab barrel and tipping the bucket over. And I think
storytelling for Black Santa was like the best way to
address it and to say, hey, what stories you got? Hey?
Uh you know when I link them? Uh dk donas

(01:41:45):
my favorite Dona story place here in l a Asian
Donna story. We're doing an animation for them, right, And
like just we want stories, man, We want our coaches
to Cali. So we become the new Renaissance. And then
I think was slick. It's really just about like stories,
like we believe, like us telling the story, you know
what I mean. It's like you're a director and producer,

(01:42:07):
you're a producer, Like it's the ship don't work unless
it's collaborative and everybody kind of pouring in. So sports,
lifestyle and culture is not just we don't we's not
just sports, you know what I mean? We we everything
in between, Like WTF is not even sports. But it's

(01:42:27):
like if you want to be an actor, you want
to do stuff like coming slick, and we'll create and
kind of build formats, you know, for artists, for athletes
to be able to like funck Man, tell our story,
do what we want to do. And so that's when
I'm on now, So talk to me a little bit
about the cannabis space and the progress you see in

(01:42:48):
professional sports, particularly basketball. I mean, you guys are pioneers
with al I would say cannabis is probably a thing
that you know, should be passed, right. Um. I love
the way that the NBA has adopted it. I feel
like it's better than drinking, you know what I'm saying.
Uh pills, Yeah, people taking pills and all that. And

(01:43:09):
it's like you can manage somebody who had like who
smokes a lot of weed, you know what I'm saying,
Like you can have a conversation with somebody, probably a
long conversation with somebody who smokes a lot of weights,
so I don't think and like it's known to be
like a healing agent and have all these kind of
nutrients that our bodies. The reason why we was blowing

(01:43:34):
and smoking, you know what I mean? Uh after the
games was like ship man, we smoked and washing gang
drink a gang of water. Man, we just drink a
gang of water and being like all right, bro, when
I wake up, we go to my spot of your

(01:43:55):
spot and watch that's grezy. Bro. I want to take
us back to the one car trip where we just
laying in the baby we're about to go smoke at
the smoke of my house. And who was riding with us?
So we get in the car right right? School school?
Remember that we tell this story. We're on the way
to We're on the way to school career, right. I
think it was mine was putting up in my house.

(01:44:18):
Yeah toever like sure, yeah, I was driving, That's all
I mean. You were driving and me and Matt getting
out the car about to gud we just got back
from Utah, right, and we're going we're getting out of
the car and beat it like yo Jack the homie
pop room for us, right. I looked at man, I'm
like all right, Okay, you're being man like. Okay, okay,
col you know you know where that came from, the

(01:44:43):
homie spoon. He was like, hey, man, I'm telling you bro, Yeah,
I warrior niggas on that pop shit. Man, you know
what you're doing to these Dallas boys. We was like,
what that ship was? Deep though, stand at the world
through your I was like, like it was real quiet

(01:45:09):
in the room at first. He was like, He's like, oh,
that's monte Ellis. I thought you were just one of
the tribal called quick. He was snapping, bro, he was.
It was like he brought this dude shout out that al.
He said, Man, I'm telling you might. I'm telling you mate,

(01:45:31):
like man, y'all boys out there tugging mine. Y'all boys
out there thugging mine, you know, And you know what
you're doing, bro, staying at the boys in your rear view.
Oh man, I took that with me all the way
I was with him. But the guy we're talking about
is the same guy who created the word trill. The

(01:45:53):
world don't know that he's from my hometown and that's
the creator the word trill. Word. Yeah, he deep out spool. Yeah,
but I did I was like, man, yeah he said,
he said first I was trying to get your motivated
that it was like park RYEO was definitely ready to spoke.
And then we get upstairs, He's like, come up to the
the elephants like, oh yeah Jack, the Homi Big too,

(01:46:16):
the Legends winners. Hey, we're coming down the stretch. Quick hitters.
First thing that comes to mind, who are your top
five point god God, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Magic Johnson,
Jason Kidd, and Steph Curry Dope soundtrack to Your Life.

(01:46:41):
Three songs in rotation, Uh so many tears, the Lauren
Hills song the last song on the album now I know,
yeah yeah, third song would be Michael Jackson almost there.
I just knew it was gonna be some Niver, some

(01:47:03):
Dr dre in there somewhere. Oh fish, I mean you
only got three though. Yeah. NEIP is the album album
to My Life. If they were to make a biopick,
who would play you? Who would play me? I was?
I know would play you? Know? I know? What was

(01:47:24):
her boyfriend name? On friend sample was his best friend name?
That's the husband was no, not graty, her husband the
great was his whome boy when they drink all the time.
That's will play your husband? Was it Rollo? Now? I
wouldn't Roller's name, wasn't roloph? I show I was thinking

(01:47:45):
about that man. I was thinking like you the of
a story? Yeah, who could? Who could probably play me?
I would say somebody like uh little Duval? No, I
wouldn't say a little Michael B. Jordan's no way, no way?

(01:48:10):
Why not what you mean? Actually he could? But Kenny
who they know how to go on the character? Bro Kenny?
Who we can you could teach him? I think he's
good enough to figure it out. I think Michael B.
Jordan is like too handsle, you know what I mean?
That nag gonna take away from me? You know what
I mean? I ain't that to find a diamond in
the rough. Yeah, we gotta find an ugly negative play.

(01:48:30):
But but it's a little cannibal burst. It's somebody like somebody,
it's like that nig. You don't even look like beady,
you know what I mean? Are like Lamar and Morris,
somebody who like a straight nerd, you know what I mean,
just like a naked just like you don't even look
like here. It's some kid in your neighborhood that know
all about you, that know the same demograph, that can
play that role. Yeah, I let it be a kid,

(01:48:54):
A top five sneakers of all time. You know, I
ain't no sneaker person, Jack, You've been waiting now you've
been coming to and I don't. I don't. I don't
really like know the names ship. I just uh hardaway
wote them leadings. I know there's the label that they
used to pay me and then down when they let

(01:49:16):
me go. Stock went down when they let me go, though,
absolutely is the label pain. Come on, bro, I used
to say that ship like you gotta leadings. They're paying No, Bro,
They're going, They're going, They're going. I got shoes in
the market. Five dinner guests dead or alive. Was five

(01:49:43):
all my dogs over here the wall. Yeah, I break
bread with them, and then I'll break bread with you know,
I have five women I have to break bread with.
You know what I mean. I got my grandmother. You know,
you got Harriet's man. Uh, you got my angelou h

(01:50:06):
rest in peace, Cecily Tyson, and the last one would
be Um Jackie joined Kursey. Good call, last question, Bro,
There's no more after this but go ahead, you got
another Yeah, who do you want to all the smoke?
What do you want to see all the smoke? Chris whatever?

(01:50:27):
We just had him, just had him. I like to
see uh, Chuck d you know what, that's funny. I'd
like to see Chuck dal on the show. And then
I like to see Isaiah Thomas real quick. Before we
finish your connection with Kobe? What he meant to you? Bro?

(01:50:48):
When I was here, Like when I was in high
school and when Koby got to the Lakers, I was
it was my senior year. So Kobe was like, you
know the panicles and when he came here, you funk
with me. I never forget. Like they took me to
his house and I was like, oh, what's up, bro,
you want to go hang out? And he was like no, Bro,

(01:51:09):
I'm saying and watch these tape, like we can do
that tomorrow. You know, you're like be watching take tomorrow.
I'm like, oh, ship, Like I probably won't be hanging
out with this dude, you know what I mean? But
he would come to the gym and like me and
Kobe always had like this when we see each other,

(01:51:30):
we was like bros. And then like I remember when
he was in therapy. I was in physical therapy like
every morning, Like I was the only person I felt
like with funk with Kobe, you know what I mean.
You had these dark ass glasses on the physical therapy.
I'm like, mother fucking you blind, He's sleep and you
wake up, motherfucker what you're talking about? You know what
I mean? And we'd just be going back and forth.

(01:51:52):
So it was like for me, I always wanted to
like pay homas to him because he was like a
big bro, you know what I mean, and almost like
a guy. And then at the same time I knew
like all the ship he was going through. So every
time I've seen it, you know, always like Kobe is
one dude. I every time I saw I was, I
made sure he knew, you know what I mean, Like nigga,

(01:52:15):
if if it's God, Nigga, you are Jesus to us,
you feel what I'm saying to this game, to this hoop,
And you know, we just always had that like connected fabric.
I remember interviewing him, you know, for ESPN the magazine,
Like I believe it was like after the Colorado ship.
You know, it was just always like recepted to me

(01:52:35):
and ship. And I remember being with the Knicks and
before I got hurt, he was like, Yo, we're gonna
play one on one. If I beat you, you I
come to the Lakers next year. And now I was like, well, ship, dog, like,
you ain't gonna beat me. What do I get if
I win? He was like, I speak to some kids
at your basketball camp, said nigga, get your brand or something.

(01:53:00):
But that's how Kobe was. He was like, yeah, I
go speak to the kids at your cam. I was like,
that's what's up. But he was he was my dog, absolutely,
rest in peace. Last thing, real quick. We got someone
who's been mentioned on our show more times than anybody
in the building. So we gotta bring in front of
camera quick. Come on, turn, come up, really make your appearance. Turn. Yeah,
you got the most come he got the most mentions, mentions,

(01:53:22):
he got the most men in all the small history.
So come sit on the couch. Take you see real quick. Turn.
I mean, this is like you said, this is who
see a lot of you saw bearing on the biggest stage,
but this is you know that his best friend growing
up family, You know what I mean? And I just
think it's dope. We want to give you a shout out, man,
because so many people have mentioned you, from Wayne to

(01:53:44):
be d to KG to Paul too, So we just
want to give you a little shot. It's my dog
right there for real. We talked about that. We believe
he has to be on the Doctor right in the
middle of it. He heart of it with fat Rat.

(01:54:11):
Gonna say but on all the episodes we had, all
the episodes we have for all our fans, all our
listeners is yeah, this is the termined that everybody's talking about.
Our brother. Yeah, he's a punk guy. He's a guy,
the one and only the lefty. Hey man, that's a rap.

(01:54:33):
Another addition of all the smoke, Thank you Baron term Jack,
great show. You can find us Showtime Basketball, YouTube and
I Heart Platform, Black Effects, so many these things. He
don't even getting what the sakes. See you all next week.
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