DeSean Jackson | Ep 109 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball - All The Smoke

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

(00:30):
back to All the Smoke. Jack what's happening? Yeah? Yeah,
I like him. I like that. Get my problems. My
hands ain't clammity whatever y'all call them clammy whatever. That
ship is Riga, you got your pH balance right, Yeah,
I'm good. I'm I like your shoes and your sweatshirt. Though.
Appreciate one one to day. I appreciate it. Bro, Man,
we're back man season three. Uh, it's good to be back.

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We're back rolling. We're back in l A. We got
family in the building today. Man, last name one of
the one of one of our homies, my old next
door neighbor, current Los Angeles Ram Deshan Jackson. Appreciate about time.
Appreciate you finding time. I mean you're back home l A. Rams,
I mean you're going into your fourteen season fourteen D

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we both play four teens and you're playing at home.
Talk to us about that. Man. For me, it's like
everything come back full circle. You know, to be in
the NFL, to come from Los Angeles, California, born and
raised to play pop wanted to grow up in a
sports city. Never really been able to play at home.
You know, I didn't play thirteen years in the NFL,
and every time it's time to go to season, I

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gotta go to the East coast, Philly, Tamble, Washington. So
for me that this this time back around a special
man and it means a little more man. But talk
to us about because we talked off air, I got
a chance to play at home. You never got a
chance to play at home right close, but not home.
Have you got to kind of change your whole mentality
because you're older now, you know what I mean? You
on you on your last you know handful of years,

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you know, guy Willing, Uh, you know obviously aspiration, the
goals to touch that Hall of Fame with You're on
pace to talk to the fans about how you kind
of had to come back to l A. But also,
you know, keep that focus. First off, when I first
came out, when I realized I was coming back home,
because I kind of knew before I got a great
relationship with Sha mcvei, so um, you know, when I
found out I was coming back home, the first thing

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I did was changed the phone, then changed both numbers
right around, Like I'm going back home. It's Hollywood, you know,
the hood. You know, I go hang out with the homies.
I'm like, the first thing I'm doing is changing my number. So, um,
I remember Sean McVeigh actually like the next day we
signed and then he hit me like dam I can't
even get a holdie. I'm like, yeah, coach had to
change the number. It's like, man, that's that serious thing.

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But for me, like coming back home. You know, I'm
thirty four years old, you know, going fourteenth year. So
for me, like you know, I know these last few years,
I got a real shot at you know, solidifying the
Hall of Fame spotting for me, you know, being being
able to be one of the biggest deep threats ever,
you know, passing Jerry Rice, Randy, Andy mar you get

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what I'm saying. So for me growing up, like that's
what I had inspired me, you know, and for me
to be in the same conversations with them type of dudes,
like I had to come back and let people know
that I'm not here at the party. I'm not here
to be at One Oak like now, I'm here to
do my thing on the field and win the Super
bo Bro. That's my main focus. So I had to
you know, solidify that first. I mean that that that
kind of leads us into our next question. I mean,

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you have a team that that that that has a
chance to a ring, you know what I mean. And
you're back at home on top of that, So talk
to us what that atmosphere has been like? Uh, you know,
teaming up with Matthew Stafford, you guys got a loaded
old loaded defense. What's that environment been like? Man? Honestly,
you know I didn't playing on some good teams going
back to the year with Michael Vick, Sean McCoy, Jeremy

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Matt Like, we had we had some dogs back in Philly.
But I mean to fast forward everything right now, like
you said, Aaron Donald, Jaden Ramsey, Like, I'm playing with
some dogs, like legitimate players in the league right now.
You know, Aaron know what he was the number two
overall player. Jane Razzy I think was thirteen in the
top one hunter. So for me to be on this team, man,

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like I knew stepping in, like we really got a
shot to win the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl
here in l A. But you know, we want to
pick too soon. It's a long season. Rock Cowboys doing good. Great,
that's a lot of good teams. But we know, you know,
if we just keep our head down China mentality and
keep working every day, if we look at every week
like we want to go we zero zero trying to
go one and know at the end of the season,

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I think you know that I have a stand in
the last one you mentioned coach McVay, you had a
prior relationship with him. Speak to how you guys relationships started.
Man back in what was that two thousand and fourteen?
I remember when uh I got released by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Everybody you know who knows me knows about that situation,
and uh, you know, I had a chance to go

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to a few teams, but it was it was personal.
I had to stay in that division, NFC East. Like
I'm like Eagles just coming like there's only a few
Thames I already wanted to go to. So I'm like
Washington with the team Jay, you had j Gruden, you
had Seamanvey, who was you know, Jay Ruins, the head coach.
Samany was the office of coordinator. So right when they
realized I was a free agent, day like we gotta
figure out the way to get this little bit her tape,

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like whatever we gotta do. We've been seeing him torts
us for years, you know, just playing Washington and you
know for doing all that. So our relationship really started early. Man,
Like going back to I played three years in Washington,
Like I think out of the three years I played there,
two years, I want to a thousand yards, had like
nine touchdowns, like sixty, like we was bowling, you know,
so flips. I had to come back now and seeing

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his progress, Like the dude is a genius. Bro. I
really look at him, like on the Bill Belichick, Andy Red,
I mean Belichick, Andy Reid, like he has the smarts
and the way he puts his players in positions to
always beat the defense. Bro. It's like he would go
for what he do. How was it growing up in
the Crishaw neighbor l a man you know, you know,

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arrest of Peaceni neighborhood, nip man up. You know, for me,
I think to get kind of instilled, you know, that
that greatness, that like that competitive nature, you know what
I'm saying. Like we really didn't have no hope. We
ain't really you know, we had dreams and desires, but
we didn't really it was only certain few influences we
really had to look up to you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
on some positive like you know, you you're going to

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the store. You know, it's dudes at the corner store
hanging out, game bang and selling drugs. You get what
I'm saying. So on a daily basis, you know, I
was lucky and fortunate to have it pops around me
that like seen you know that side of and he's like, no,
I'm gonna take youlo. We're going to football, basketball, track,
like everything, every sport because he knew if I was
sitting at the crib or at home, what I would
be getting into, you know. So for me, I think

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it just installed me to just go out there and
want to be different. Like it was something about looking
at the ogs looking up to him, like, man, I
want to do that, but it's like I really wanted
to do it the positive way where I could go
be on television where I can all my dudes back
in the hood see me Sean Jackson on national television.
I'm rapping from my city and where my hood is,
you know. So for me, that's what made me inspired
and I really wanted to go out there and do

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good from out my city. So you can say that
the love for sports came from Uh, your parents are
from are from you. You attended beach party to party,
take high school, played baseball, ran track. The love of
sports come from It wasn't still from your pops. Are
just something you picked up? Um, I mean, I think
it comes hand to hand. You know, my my pops

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grew up Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and when he grew up, he
wasn't really able to play sports. You know. His pops
was worked in the steal mill. He like, we're working
around here, like, ain't no sports, You're not doing none
of that ship. So my pops never really was able
to live out his dream because he loved sports, you know.
So he was like, I'm gonna have kids, and I'm
pushing all my kids to play sports, Like if I
couldn't make it offen had kids and one of these

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little Niggs making it to the NFL. You know, we
in reality was my older brother at first, and then
you know that wasn't really his dream of desire. So
then you got me, this little kid. I'm like, sh
I was a majority around my Aposta most out of all,
you know, our siblings. So for me, I just installed
like just growing up and just like I said, just
be in competitive industries playing sideline pop, throw up tackle

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Like I was just wanting a little fastest, hardest dudes,
and I was the toughest. I was the littlest one,
but the toughest one. So I was like, man, you
know and started me at an early age to be great. Bro,
you was a major league prospect. Of what position in baseball?
Did you play? A lot of people don't know that that. Man. Yeah,
so that's an interesting story too. So my pops he
actually loved baseball. So this's the story about the baseball.

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So my pops love baseball, and he like, I'm taking
you do all these sports, basketball, football, you rent a trade,
you doing it? You gotta play baseball for me. So
it's like he almost like forced me to play baseball.
So I was good at baseball, but I ain't really
had a love for it like I love playing football,
love doing everything else. So for me, I was really
good at baseball, but I just didn't had that love foot.

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But looking back at it now, I'm like, if I
could do it all love but I probably would have
did they get three hunder guaranteed? Like man, but you know,
everything happen for a reason, bro, But ya was actually
have a baseball. I played center field, second bag, I
played everything. I used to be like left fielder, right fielder.
Don't go in the gap, like anything hitting the gap
and everything down, Like for real, you mentioned Nip earlier.

(09:10):
What was your relationship with him? Like man, Nip Man.
So I remember back and probably like two thousand, like
two thousand one, like I was a freshman of high school,
and um, you know growing up in the Murder Park.
You know, Crenshaw Slawson was literally ten fifteen blocks down
the street, so you know, going up Cranshaw Audubon, like

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I used to know that. We were probably like thirteen
fourteen years old. But back then it was just a
pretty boy curly here. I ain't had a long here
back then, he had to curly here. He was just
always had the white long t on, you know, back then,
the pro cluse everybody you feel me. So it's just
like just knowing that back then he was just like
the little player, like pretty boy, do you know? And

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then it's like I remember like around high school he
started rapping, and I'm like, he re wrapping all right,
try trying to figure out if he's hard enough. So
you know, back then, really nobody really knew about him.
Then you know he got lost some boys and you
just start seeing them out on Crenshaw out the back
of the bends, Trump popping the trunk, giving out CDs.
Like I'm like, man, this isn't really taking this ship serious.

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So for me, I saw his his work. I saw
what he put into it, and to look up to
you know, what he did inspired everybody and just how
he tried to you know, provide jobs and just you know,
changing the community. Man like me and Nip go back, bro.
But you know, he definitely inspired for the Crenshaw community.
Rest in peace, Rest in peace. UM high school football

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sixty catches, over a thousand yards, fifteen touchdowns. What was
it like out there playing in high school men, like
on Friday night? Yeah? First of all, ship, I mean
high school like Long Beage probably went to the number
one high school and all of America, like literally probably
put the most people in the NFL. So growing up,
ol ways, see I'm not from Longbies. Everybody thinking I'm

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from Long Bees, but I'm not from Long Me so
I grew what, like you said, Crisshaw South Central and
as a as a grade, I'm trying to figure out, like, man,
what high school gonna go to? Now? My pops he
was like the biggest scout of America, Like he already
had deals and broke it in with this high school coach.
He's gonna vantage, he's going to crush. Are you going
to doors? You know he's going to wear Chester. So
I was sitting back like trying to really figure out

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what high school and go to. And then my older
brother was like, if you really want to go to
the best high school, and you know for a fact
they're gonna have scholars They're gonna have scholars they're gonna
have coaches coming in like the best of the best.
You know, we're going to Long Beach party. So I'm
like thinking about I'm like, all right, ship, let's go.
But when I went, literally we had uh Herschel, Dennis Darnell,

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being Mercedes Lewis manyor right, like it was literally like
seven dudes. It was going Division one. I all had
top scholarships from s c U C l A. So
I was a freshman going into that, so I'm like,
sh all I gotta do is even if I'm a
halfway decent, I'm gonna go get a Division one scholarship. So,
you know, coming out there from l A and being
one of the best to play part Warner and come

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to party like I already had to earn that, you
know what I'm saying, because it was really dogs like
long bees probably, like I'm telling you, they're the best
of the best. So for me to come all the
way from l A and come to Polly like I
already came from outside in it was like really insider,
you feel what I'm saying. So it was fun, man,
it was. It was big games though, like I was
prepared to play on a big level being in party

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because once I got to college, that ship was like
it was next next, Yeah, like NFL was next. Like
I'm killing that ship just because the mentality and being
around people that was like really good. I mean, you
talked to your high school creer off with the m
v P of the All American Game. Uh, who was
recruiting you? And why did you end up going the
cow Man? I had ship. I had all the schools

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Florida States, the Miamis the Oklahoma's the L. S Shoes
Like I had partly of a hundred plus offers and uh,
you know I was close to going to L. S. Shoe.
That was Nick Saban was there. Man. It was son
about that that culture out there, man, that food and women.
Like I'm like, man, the South got me Louisiana half
I took. I took I think folk trips, like I

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went to Oklahoma, went to L. S U. And then
was like I said, when I went to L. S
U was just something about like just how they treated me,
the food, and I'm like, man, it's something about that South,
you know, Like I'm like I almost had it. But
then Nick Saban ended up leaving that he went to
the Miami Dolphins. So when he left, I'm like, man,
that's out. And then um I had s C. I committed.
I was a year sc one. They uh shoot who

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they had Reggie Bush, Lynn del White that they just
had won UM the National Championship and I remember they
called me out of the game, had Peek Hero on there.
It was all hype on the bus turned up like
yeah you coming. I'm like, yeah, I'm coming. I'm committing.
So I commit and I just felt like, man, they
they like giving these dudes from out of state like
extra Like I wanted number one and they didn't give

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me number one. So I'm like they started like showing
dudes out of stay more love than they showing interstate
because they was like, oh, Poli, dudes used to go
into SC We're gonna tell you for granted, like he'd
coming here. So I'm like, you know what, I'm shaking
in the year before that cow just beat at See
when you had they have mare Shawn lynch Uh Aaron
Rodgers they beat him in the in the college seam upset.

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I'm like, you know what, instead of joining the best,
I'm gonna go somewhere and beat the best. And that
was just the mentality I had, Like I didn't want
to just be labeled as somebody that just went there
just because they thought they had me in their back seat.
So that was my decision. What was your record against
SC man, don't do that. I was three, But how
did you do every time we played them? They had

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like three dudes. I mean, there's like, we're not letting
this a little dude kill us. But now I had
some good games versus Obviously, I was a vocal point
when I played against him, and they definitely was like, yeah,
we ain't gonna let him go. So I did cool though,
but it was on three hurt. Did Aaron Rodgers kind
of was recruiting you two or kind of the guy
that showed you a little bit? He did? Man, and
like so, So Aaron Rodgers was a junior when I

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was a fresh or no he was. He was a
junior when I was a senior high school. So when
I'm committing there, you know, my ship. Aaron Rodgers one
of the best quarterbacks in college football, I'm like, I'm
going there. So the minute I commit, he entered the
NFL and the league, so he left his junior year.
So I came in and he wasn't even near in them.
But you know, we had like I said, we had
Marshawn Lynz just before I said, we had some. We

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had some good some good dudes. Can you imagine though,
you and we didn't weren't win that because that that year.
That next year was actually like it was number two
in the nation and we end up losing the freaking
like Oregon State or crazy Fluke ship. But man, ye'all
think about that, I'm like, damn, just imagine if we
were if he had to stay and we were to
play like a full year together. He was number two

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account Yeah, yeah, we was a highest rank was number two.
We started like five and oh we was on a
college game that we played Oregon. At Oregon, I went crazy,
had like three touches down. I was like a hundred
and eight yards like, I went crazy. So I remember
that game. I came up, you know they do the
uh the broadcasting after the game and bring me. I
had a big gass suit on. That was back in
the day when you know we were Harvey. Yeah, we

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went our was big shout. I went there talking and
ship and but it was like and we went on
the downhire After that we lost like the next like
folk games bro. We was never two of the day
at one point down here. Um, if I'm not mistaken,
that was during the We Believe time too, right. It
was out there while we was rocking right over the way. Yeah,
because I remember I checked when you guys games at

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one time. Yeah, that was that was a big game.
Were you guys able to get out to any of
those games? Are you watch them on TV? Or what?
Was it like during your college experience out there? No,
it was. It was definitely big for us looking up
to to y'all, man, what y'all used to do back
back and go to state. Like, man, that y'all was
really like a culture man, like you know, b d
obviously respect, you know, shout out big bro, b d

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um bro was there. I mean, you know y'all, y'all
had a wave out there, man, and for us like
y'all the culture bro. You know, I'm not even gonna
sit here and act like it ain't big like what
y'all did and how y'all carried your game and just
like what y'all meant for the for the culture bro,
like we we all looked up to that. You know
me like growing up, I'm a smaller dude. So the
guys that I really looked up to is the Michael

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Vicks to Alan Irasons. You know, the Kobe is the
dude with your child are respected and respected you vice versus.
So that mentality, man, Like, it's much respect to what
you're doing and continuously still doing, how you're tapped in
with the youth and you know, your your boys, your twins.
You know, I respect everything you know, with them. But
I'd love to see it, bro because it give me
something to look up to when I'm done playing ball,
you know, appreciate what was your relationships like with Marshawn

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Marren Shaw. So, so it's an interesting story about Marren Shawn.
So obviously Marshawn Oakland Tech Oakland, California to the full,
you know, northfo Olkland family. First, you don't shot my brother.
But uh so coming from l A, you know, l
A is a little as I ain't gonna say that little.
It's a lot different than the Bay Area. So you know,

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me growing up, you got games, you got blood, you
got cribs. You know, you've got different sets. So for
me growing up in the in the l A culture,
going to cow, at first, I didn't understand what was
going on because you gotta due saying blood and cousin
one sittence. It's like they know they're basically saying your
blood and they don't even care. They just talking. So
it's like they culture out there is just total different.

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It's like and they're not even in tune, like they're
literally you don't even think they from California bro out
there because they're not even in tune with the l
a culture. Bro. They got their own culture. So for me,
I'm like, marn Shawn was just himself, bro like he
didn't really care, like he was straight, but he was smart,
like he was intelligent. You know, he did good in school,
like a lot of people don't know how good he

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did in school, like he them there was graduated before
he left Calf, You get what I'm saying. So the
respect level me and him. I remember I was a
freshman and he was a sophomore and I came and
I was one of the fastest on the team and
He's looking at me like who this little niked thing?
He's that nigga line up, Nia, let's race like this
big he bought two twit six ft looking at me
like really like that's race. So I'm like, you sure

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you in the race? You know I'm cocky. I'm like,
you sure you're in the race? Like you lined up?
We got out the every race. I beat him, but
he put up a fight though he wasn't slow. Watched
out all that stuff, and I'm like it just gave
me a respect for bread different because he knew he
was he knew I was fashioning but he was like anyway, bro,
So it's like much respect of money man. So decorated

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college career, Uh, one of the top receivers in the country.
You make your jump to the league second round pick.
Did you have a chip on your shoulder for sure?
And the reason why I say I had a chip,
it's like all right for me college, right, Like every
every step of the way from high school college like

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I've always been the best, always been you know, stats,
they're proven. Everything was proven for me. So so coming
out my junior year, I actually put in a little
note and they was like it came back and it
was like guaranteed. They didn't say guarantee, but they give
you a projection. So they said anywhere from first round
to like the end of the first round, so like
the first pick to So I'm like, ship, all right,

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I'm going. I ain't no point of going coming back
to college for my my senior year when they're already
solidified that. So I'm like, I'm gone. So I entered
in the NFL, and I remember back then my coach
it was Jeff Teffer. At the time, I had like
a little personal relationship with you know him, him and
my dad like had like a little beef and my
apostles becussing all after the game, like if my son
don't get tent catches two on the yard and I'm

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cussing you out after the game. So post was turned
up after every game. You know, Paul Draget turned up
he I ain't had a game. He wanted me to
have coach hearing about it. So I feel like that
kind of hurt me going into the to the league
because you know, Jeff Teffer was kind of asked about
certain situations and was like, yeah, I think his dad
could be a problem with Woo And it just was
like they kind of hurt my draft, as you know,

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and I took a personal because all the teams have
passed on me that first year when I was in Philadelphia,
every team to pass on me. I made him play
my first year. We we went to the NFC Conference
championship game where I thought I'll scored to win a
touchdown and we're going to the to the Super Bowl,
but Larry Fitzgill came down this crazier. That was the year.
Uh the Steelers played um Arizona in the in the

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Super Bowl. But yeah, that was my rookie year, bro,
and it was lit, man, it was lit. What's it
like stepping on that stage? I mean you all about
five nine? Ja, yeah, give me my five tim by
telling you right now, I'm like, but when I first
came in, I was one sixty nine. They gave me

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it was like five nine whatever, like seven corp whatever
it was. I geet like the average height of an
average man. And to think that Jack Jack made a
joke like you played you gotta when you say NBA
years in the NFL for your size though, like no one.
I mean, it's really really hass off to you, bro.
I mean, obviously we're homies. And when I think people
kind of take that ship for grandaboall for for you

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to accompany and you're not done, but for you to
making fourteen years in the league at your size, that
that says a lot about you, man, a lot about you.
Definitely done. I appreciate that, but you know, I just
take it back to my mentality just growing up, how
I grew up having the pops around me. You know,
they really just didn't really care about anything, like if
I if I wanted to envision myself or I wanted

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to do something I'm gonna do it. And that's just
been my mentality the whole time. And always I ain't
the biggest, but every time I step on the field,
I feel like I'm the biggest. You know what I'm saying,
Like I feel like I'm lying hearted And it's like
I don't care how big you is. I don't care.
My pop said, never fair man regards how big how
small he put his pants on, just like you, you
know what I'm saying. So for me, that's just always
been my mentality, bro. But uh, I definitely speaks to numbers.

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And like you said, I'm still not done, still playing
at the high level, and uh you know, I take
PROBLEMSIP every every time I wake up, every time I
step on the field. But I want to be the
best doing it, you know what I mean. I am
who I am for a reason because that's that mentality.
You know. It's just like that that mama mentality. You
know the facts y'all played against the y'all know what?
Uh what it being stamped by Jerry Rice when he

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said he had this kid has all the talent in
the world. What does that mean for you to to
be the greatest re siver? Of all time to stamp
you like that. Yeah, that was a special moment because
I was. I was before I even played the NFL game.
Like I was. I had an opportunity because at that
time my agency that I was signed with he was
signed to him as well too, so um I had
a chance to work out with him out and we
ran routes. He was like, I want you to run

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every route. I ran ligurly every route from route one
to the go route, and he was like, I only
got one route. I want to work with you him.
I'm like, I just ran like routes and you're telling
me just one route. So I'm trying to interested to
what he's gonna say. He was like, you're just running
too fast on my speed out. I want you to
slow it down and get under control, and you master
that ain't nobody's gonna be at the message. So from

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day one, I'm like, I'm thinking he finna critique me.
I'm thinking he was the speed I was like a
quick out, fire yard out. But he was saying, I'm
so fast. I need to run that in under control
and still be fast but not unting too fast round
like out of control. Renting a route so that route
is like one of the easiest routes. So that was
the only route he critiqued me on something like I

(24:00):
could be special, bro, And I knew that from the
day when I'm like, I'll do my ship and stay
on it and work. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a
good rod. What's the fastest time you ever ran in
the period for the fastest time, I uh, I ran
before it was I was in I was in college.
I want to say, like my junior I ran four
to four. That's that. Don speed talk about your rookie,

(24:26):
your rookie experience. When I came in, I just had
the mentality like I didn't really care who the starting
re series was, like I'm coming in. I'm taking somebody's spot.
Like that's my me coming in. I don't Sometimes these
young dudes they come in, they be asking questions. I'm like, bro,
you can't make the game bigger than it is. We've
been playing this since a little kid in the park.
Just how I'm sure it is for basketball, Like, once
you got to the NBA, you can't be like, oh

(24:46):
my god, the lights and all these fans screamed, no,
we gotta tune in and play ball. So me I
had the mentality was the game ain't gonna be bigger
than it is. It's still football. And I think these
young dudes come in, they'd be like a deer in
the head, like because they don't understand, like, it's still football.
It's still bad. It's a sport. It's a game that
we love growing up. But don't make it bigger. If

(25:07):
you make it bigger it is, then you're gonna always
be behind the eight ball trying to figure out them.
How can I make the game not as big as
it is? Like, No, I'm the game, I'm the moment
is big. And that's my philosophy on that ship, bro,
it's it's not it's a game, bro. We have fun
with the ship and play at the high level. Sure,
who are your vests that you leaned on the rookie year?

(25:28):
As soon as you got to leave A good question, man.
So when I came in, I had some real old
g s man special I'm gonna give you the names first,
and I'm gonna give you a special story about a
situation of my rookie year. But so I came in,
I had Diminly that was my quarterback Brian Westbrook the
running back. UM sante Samuel Uh. Brian Dawkins said about

(25:51):
to say with Brian Dawkins. Brian Dawkins, UM a few
a few dudes, but um the special story. So I
was I was in like my seventh eighth game and
we was playing in Chicago this one lads Briggs Uh,
Brian Urlacker like dogs like you know, Brian, like your

(26:11):
legitimate could be one of the best, you know played
the game. So We're playing verse these dudes, and I'm
like this one of them games where I'm like, then
I'm really playing versus some dudes that them They're killed
me if I right across the middle right, so I
score touchdown. I'm balling in the game. So it becomes
a point where they punted the ball and I'm back
putting the ball and I had like clown and had

(26:33):
the ball in one hand. I fumbled, but we ended
up getting the ball back. Well, Al must have came
to Silline brown Dog and must to grab me up.
Snatched me up because you know, he didn't really cuss.
It was all about God and like, but he came
at you on a crazy way. You know what I mean.
If you do that again. I'm like talking to me
like my daddy. Shoot, I'm like, man, I ain't messing

(26:53):
with that, dude, But you got only But it was
just the respect, bro, like you got real O. G's
when you're messing up and you're doing wrong, they're gonna
create that, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, that's
what it started in greatness in me. You know he
guys like him can do that though, because you know
he about to die to win the game. He he
putting his body everything, doing everything, literally legitimately popping his
neck out of soccer shoulder. I didn't seen him like

(27:14):
Craig like he was. He really was Weapon X on
the field. He wasn't Brian Dawkins like he turned in
the Weapon X on the field like he had a
Brian Dawkins locker room and he had a Weapon X
locker room and the Weapon X locker room and all
the X Men and all these characters in there. And
when he went on the field, he was he really
had a locker, bro. He had two lockers, bro, Like
I'm telling you, bro, dude was he was in a

(27:34):
special Dude the best. Yeah, what was your welcome to
the NFL moment, that one moment that he was like, damn,
I'm here, I'm really here. Off the block, I'm here.
I think I think London Fletcher man, so we just playing.
I think it was early early in the season, rookie year.
I think probably, I want to say the second and
third game. London Fletcher was a linebacker for the back

(27:57):
Then theres a Redskins Washington Redskins, and uh, I had
caught like a little fire yard, quick little route and
I was right over there like the middle of the
feel like guys, my side wound like to go that here.
So it was like a little fire yard pass diamond
like hit me. I caught the ball and all I
remember was like walking to Silin and everything was just
like spinning. I'm like I was out for the rest

(28:20):
of the game. I ain't go back in the game,
end up having like a concussion. But I'm like, buddy
smacking you like he had me, Like I didn't know
where I was at. I ain't gonna lie, but yeah,
that was that was one of the moments in London.
He's a big, big dude, bro, and he was he
was small, but he was like a stock big dude. Linebacker.
That's like he like bla all muscle all I've seen
you know how that little video you got the Birds tweet, Like,

(28:43):
where am I talk about the game against my corboy? Yeah, no,
I don't do that while you're gonna do that. Man,
the first touchdown you're talking about that dropped the ball
too early, feeling yourself. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
let you had that one, but I'm gonna come back.
I'm gonna speak on that momentary and I'm gonna come

(29:04):
back and hurt your heart with something too. But I remember,
I know what you know I was. I was young,
and I was a rookie year. Just just at that
moment of time, I'm gonna get out of philosophy. So
for me, growing up playing sports, you're not really able
to allow the clown and dance and do all this crazies.
So once you get to the NFL that allow you to,
you know, having fun and do some crazy shit. So

(29:25):
for me, I can remember that night before the game,
like if I scool, I'm just going crazy, like I
don't care about nothing. I'm getting the ends on them dancing.
I'm doing every dance I'm trying to just go crazy
and have fun Monday night football or Sunday whatever it was.
We was the primetime game. So once I caught the ball,
I'm them there close to ENDZ and I'm like, I
don't even care about this ball. The morning, I'm gonna
get his ends on the dance bro. So that was

(29:46):
just on my mind. So obviously dropped the ball a
little short. But uh, yeah, that's something that happened. Ain't
happening again since the and then I did it in
high school too, But you know the one the high
school I was trying to beat the record. Uh, Reggie
Bush jumped from like the fire yard line in the
game Versu. You see it first the Bruins and he
flipped an ends on. So I'm in the All Star Game.
I'm like, you know, he dimmed from the fire Let
me try to jump from the six. So I tried

(30:06):
to drop six. When I got in the air and
I'm like, oh, shut off for the bus glass and
I just dropped the ball because I was bracing the
impact of how far I tried to jump like a bonehead.
But yeah, you know that happened. I learned, but it
ain't gonna happen Yeah, let's talk about that ninety one.
Your touchdown on the side of ends on the cowboy

(30:27):
he turned around on it. Yeah, I remember that that
was that was hurt for the punt return, right. I
got some players versus Cowboys. I literally back in my
early days when I was in Philadelphia, Man, I looked
at myself as a Giant killer, a Cowboy killer. I
killed the Redskins too, But it was just like it

(30:49):
was some personal because I know that the rivals, like
being an Eagle, the rider was with the Cowboys, the
Giant like it's it's it's real, bro. And I had
a lot of good years man on them. You got
to taste the playoffs and oh eight, what was your
first playoff experience? Like, Man, the game moved way faster. Man.
It was like things was moved like, you know, being
a rookie adjusting to to my rookie season. I'm like,

(31:13):
you know, it's fast, But the playoffs, Bro, it moved
like and I'm talking about the first playoff game, like
the wild card game. Bro. It was like you would
just think everybody just turned up like twenty notches more
and it's like, I don't know why. I guess everybody's
trying to win the Super Bowl. But it was just
like the game was just moving faster, bro And for me,
I just feel like we went on like every game

(31:35):
was away, like we were. First game we played it
was in in Minnesota. Then we played uh damn it.
I don't remember. We played one more and then we
went to Arizona. But yeah, every game was on the road,
and it was just like for us to not have
that home field advantage, like, you know, playing on the road,
it's it's tough, but that's that's what Bill's character, you know,

(31:57):
like what you wanna do when everything is against you,
all adversity or against you. So for me, I just
love silence in the crowd. But it's nothing like you're
going to somebody else's house and standing on the couch
and doing whatever the hell you want, walking out and
saying we want like with better feelings that working with
Donovan from that, what was that like? Man? Donovan? Man?
You know, Donovan was interesting, dude, man, Like you know,

(32:18):
you hear nothing cut you off. You hear a bunch
of about him, and to this day don't get along.
So I always wonder what he was like. They want
to scrap. It's real. They they had a real personal situation,
and I could kind of understand it, you know, with
with the sense of I I never really try to
talk about people to put people down. But it's just
like he he was more like on on some selfish

(32:41):
like he was about his self type ship, you know,
like you could tell, like with certain quarterbacks, when you're
the quarterback and you you the vocal point, like sometimes
you might have to just take it on your shoulder,
like my bad I missed that through or my bad
just as a captain of the buildment for the team,
you get what I'm saying. It was just like certain
times he didn't really want to take that up on him,
you know. And not to say he wasn't a good
player a good person, but it's just like certain times

(33:03):
you could tell it was a little more a little
more selfish, you know, And it was just like as
a young dude, you really you're not looking for your
quarterback to be that. You're looking for your quarterback to
embrace you and and really uplift you, you you know. So
I could kind of see while him and Teo is
how they are, you know, Andy Reid, what you learn
from him man, father figure man, and Andy Reid for

(33:24):
me was like really like a second father man. And
you know a special story about that was like I said,
when I first got drafted, you know, uh, Jeff Teffer
told told Andy Reid, you know some some hurtful things
for me because you know, for me, I I know
how my dad was, you know, heavily involved and you
know how he used to go off on my coaches,
but I knew it was always coming from a good

(33:44):
place in the heart because at the end of the day,
that's his son. He wanted his son to be the best,
and you know, he wanted to do the best. So
you know, for me to hear what Jeff Teffer told
my dad, you know on draft day, because right when
they drafted me, he got on the phone and was like, basically,
we don't want your that to be no issue we
heard about like he was basically all the ship that
he heard that my apostles doing the college. So for

(34:06):
me him and then Andy Reid is from Los Angeles too,
so he grew up in Los Angeles, so he knows
the young kid coming from l A. He knows the
temptation and how it is growing up. But he just
respected me like he was like, you know, I know
how it is for you know, I know what your
dad meant for you. But he was just like, you know,
he was there for me, and he was. He was
one of the coaches where he didn't really care if
he was being too hard like you know, you you

(34:27):
had them coaches read like, he hard on me, but
it's only for the best, it's only for the betterment
and me in my career, in my life, so you
can respect that a little more, you know. And he
was he was really like, you know, a father figure
in my life. It's a big difference between being on
you and critiquing you and actually knowing that they care
about you. Yeah, I know I've been to that situation

(34:47):
to playing where coaches being a dick and mad at
me because you know, his wife being friendly to me
or something like that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying. I'm just saying I was. It was
a situation for really, I ain't gonna say nobody's names,
but I was. I was young at the time. You know,
you can't help. But she said she knew I was young,

(35:09):
and she was like a mother, like because my mother
wasn't around. I was there young and you know what
I mean, And he basically used that against me after
I made the Rookie All Star Game and didn't play me.
The whole second happen before, after you kissed her in
the mouth. Neither. You gotta be preparing for Matt's question

(35:31):
about two thousand nine. Uh, your father passes, Um, what
is it like? I had a situation from Golden State,
and that's when me and Jack became really close to
the beginning of the season, my mom died on cancer
and died within twenty six days trying to play through
the season. The whole ship was sucked up. What was
it like for you being that your father was so

(35:51):
integral in your development and becoming a man, and pretty
much right when you get to the league you lose him. Yeah, man,
I mean for me that that was a tough I
was a tough part of my life. I was. I
was twenty years old. Like you said, everything my dad
meant to me for me did for me. You know,

(36:12):
the relationships, the bonds we built together. You know, it
was one of the things. I'm like, that's my first
year in my NFL career, Like everything we planned everything
we dreamed about, envisioned, like all the ship we talked
about was gonna be doing, Like my dad was one
of them. Was like he had all these these Moneys
millions and all these women. I'm about without cars like traveling,

(36:36):
like what nothing you can't do. So for me, it
was just everything he envisioned to see how Possible went
out like that man, Like, uh, it was hurtful man though,
So it was. It was actually, I want to say,
like October and November, so during the season, it's early
before the playoffs, so he just you know, Pops like, shot,
you gotta manage. I'm coming out to the manage. I'm

(36:57):
staying with you. I'm chilling like you know, I'm driving
your cards like Possible. Really like he was like my brother,
you know, like we had a great relationship. So during
the season. I remember he came out there and stayed
with me during the season, and uh, he kind of
like just got sick out of nowhere, like he had diabetes.
So like he's always kind of like naming on the diabetes,
like I just checking when I go back home, like
I'm straight. And it kind of like became normal where

(37:19):
he was like sleeping all day, wasn't really eating and
it was like this was like right around when he
was about to make the playoffs. And then I remember
my older brother, I think my sision came came to
fitting flew him back to l A and then um,
you know, he went to the doctor and they basically
diagnosed him a pincer at the cancer. When they diagnosed
him what it was staged four. You know, it was
like two late. They was like basically getting like four

(37:41):
or five months to live. And uh, this was at
the period of time where I was in the playoffs.
So I'm I'm playing games like I'm at the highest
of my highest rookie season, balling like killing like you know,
the top of the world like and came nothing else
going wrong, and you know, at the same time, you know,
for me to be losing my pops in the hospital
on him struggling, I remember him watching the games and

(38:01):
ship like my brother, they're filming him, I'm on TV
and he just just everything, you know, they're just kind
of meant to me. Bro. So it was tough man
that it was, you know, still to this day, Yeah,
rest in peace to pass. And people don't understand because
they think because we're athletes to run in different stage
that we're not affected by anything, and it is the
furthest from the truth, you know. I mean to try
to play with that kind of heavy heart or with

(38:22):
you know, the second you're not in action, your your
mind is there instantly, you know what I mean. So
it's rest in peace to posts for sure. Man. You
know he's looking down and proud of you. We as athletes.
People think expect us to be so strong and be
able to take all types of stuff. But my father
was I didn't have a relationship growing up with my
father like you, but I it grew as I got older,

(38:44):
became successful. My father is dead as well. I missed
my father, so I can imagine for sure, you know
what I'm saying, being able to be raised by him,
taught by him right or wrong, and all that, to
get to where you want to be because of him,
and not be able to enjoy fully with him. I
can imagine that, bro, because I didn't grow up. But
just the fact that I made it and I was

(39:05):
able to share a little bit of success when my
father kills me. Now the man I am to date
that I can't share that with him. You know what
I mean. Yeah, I think that's the most hurtful, Like
you said, just the moments and you just know that
what we're doing it for, like our while. You know,
you always talk about the wire, like what's your wire?
What are you doing for? Is this your mother? Your kids,
when your homeboys, you grew up with your granny. You know,
it's like everybody got that wire. So within that wire,

(39:28):
it's like, that's what I'm doing for. And for me,
that was what I was doing for. You know, it
wasn't like he was the only reason, but you know,
he installed who I am today. Like without him, I
wouldn't be sitting right here hot on that show, just
not saying my mom and other people don't play their parts.
But you know he takes it. He take a lot
of Summer December nineteen ten, the only game winning punt

(39:53):
return in NFL history. Talk to us about that playing
what's going on the game, blouses. It's just I'm gonna
just say that. I know I got a lot of
people to hate me for for that play, man, And uh,
you know, for me, man, I was just doing what
I was supposed to do. Man, I was doing my
job as anybody else would say, ship, I had an

(40:13):
opportunity to send the New York Giants home. They punted
to me, which I don't know why the hell they
would do that anyway, but uh, I mean, yeah, I
know that kicked it or that punty that punted to me.
Right to that game he got fired. Uh what was
the name coughing whatever? His first they were conflin was
create throwing his them. He had Tim Carughing throwing his
uh clipboard down, and but I don't know, man, that

(40:36):
play was huge. Man, I don't think I didn't think
he was gonna pick the ball because she was looking
up like I guess she was looking at how everybody.
I don't think he was gonna pick the ball up
because you let it roll for a minute. I listened, bro,
when I when I tell you, I didn't think they
was kicking it and bouncing me. So of course when
they kicked it, and I'm thinking he going to kick
it out the stadium, there ain't no way it's standing
between these white lines. So once I realized it was

(40:56):
coming to me, like you said I was, I wasn't spooked,
but I was more surprised, like, damn, this ball already
coming to me. So in the midst of me dropping
the ball, I'm trying to already set up what I'm
doing before I even got this ball. Yeah, as you see,
I dropped the ball in like a couple of yards
to the ride of me. Now I'm looking up and
I'm like, I already knew where the ball has picked
it up, and I kind of already had an invision
what I'm doing hitting and sticking my foot in the

(41:16):
ground going up. Jason Leavant made a killer block, declared
the dude he out knocked out. I'm running an end
zone like man, I was really, honestly, Bro, I feel
like I was on wings, like like party picked me
up and just flew me into the end zone. That's how.
But the way the way he looked though when the
ball was coming, the way you kept looking up, like
he was looking at his path like you do. Just

(41:37):
put to run their motherfucker back. Man, That's one of
the things when you know, when you know, you know,
you know, And that's one of them times, bro on
top of the world. Imagine if he has social media
back then, what man, I tell these young all the time, Bro,
they made these crazy play and it's like bro, I
would have been something. Not to say I ain't big,
but I would have been away like crazy more. But
if they had that ship when I was coming out

(41:58):
of a rookie your college, what like big? Yeah? Man?
For sure? Though? Is there art in the punt return?
Like it's a certain mind frame you need to be
in ship? Is there an artist shooting a three pointer? Repetition?
So how do you get reps at pump returning? We
also know we're not gonna get killed from punt return
that's a great come back? No, man, for me, it ain't.

(42:23):
I mean, it's an art in it, but it ain't
like you can get better by repetition. Like how you
said there's a three it's one of the things that
first of all you knu it's it's like a cat
because you're looking in there and got to be a cat. Bro.
Like for me, that's like people ask me like how
am I so good? And how am I so quick?
And why do I do what I do on the field.

(42:44):
It's like I'm not thinking about I don't when I
go on the field or when I'm lining up to
be receiving. It's a dude, gardener. I don't have no
plan in my mind that oh I'm about to do this.
I react off of everything. So that's why I like,
if you do something, I'm gonna react off it. So
if you think you show me down, that's why I'm
an react off and go the other way bro like anything.
So it's like me, I al really feel like I
play like a cat, Like I'm just got count for everything.

(43:05):
You know what I'm saying, like agile and whatever you do,
I'm gonna react to it, and I'm gonna beat you,
counterpunching everything you're swinging and I'm ducking. That's just my mentality.
I'll take the start. Um. Everybody knows, you know, the
Ben Simmons situation with you know, contract negotiations and not
reporting and this is and that you had a similar

(43:26):
situation like that in two thousand and eleven. Um, speak
to that and speak to knowing your worth and believing
in yourself. More than anything, I think it's important as
a as an athlete. That's as athletes first, how we
look at ourselves as a business and how we take
our mindset of everything we do when we put into
our body. If it's you know, like nutrition, you know, uh,

(43:49):
studying longer taking care of your body. The stop like
whatever it is you invest into your body is what
you're gonna get out of it. And I think sometimes
us being athletes, people were just assumed we just all
these and an a list, and these people sit back
and you know, critique us for who we are, Like
they don't really understand we have to invest in ourselves

(44:10):
just as well as like the teams, the gms, the owners,
they're gonna do what's best for them as a as
an owner. When it's time to give a person money
or to cut the person, they don't think about that.
But the minute we want to take care of ourselves
and put ourselves first, we're in trouble or we we
asked whole or oh he's not a bad team, you
know what I'm saying. But it's like, we're just doing

(44:30):
what's best for us. So for me at that point
in time, I'm like, y'a've been promising me a contract
and y'all haven't rewarded me with my contract, So why
am I going to continuually put my body on the
line risk getting hurt injured. I go to practice and
I tear anything, and it's like, now my contract is
I'm not worthy of my contract. So for me, I
feel like as athletes, when we stand up what was

(44:51):
right for us, we we looked at as the bad guy.
We're labeled as a as a cancer. You get what
I'm saying. But at the end of the day, you're
just you're looking off for the best in yourself. Now,
I'm not saying if you already rewarded with the contract
and you post a show, it's different, you know, like
certain situations Ben Simmons, certain situations is different. But when
you're due for something that you didn't put that working
and you have been rewarded for it, you gotta you

(45:12):
gotta right to stand up for what you deserve. Fact
two thousand twelve. Uh then the franchise, franchise, tagg and
you resigned a five year contract, uh north to fifty
million dollars. How did that make you feel? Well? Well,
when I got franchise, that was almost like they just
did that one kind of year, just get them back
in the Yeah, like we we're gonna get you, because

(45:34):
I think that that was one year for ten million,
which in reality the five years I will still end
up getting the timber and something like all right, I'm
gonna come in there, but in my mind, I'm I know, like,
I'm not gonna play on this one year, ten million
dollar deal because if I get hurt, then it's still
like I don't have no solidity. I'm not solidifying in
my future for the next three years. It's not guaranteed,
like you know what I'm saying. So for me, it
was just like one of the things where they was like,

(45:55):
all right, just sign it and come in and let's
try to work out a deal. So basically I kind
of knew that, so I signed the franchise and then,
like I want to say, like a few weeks later,
we end up getting the deal done. So it was
kind of like, you know, I pat you on my bag,
you pat me on mine, like we're gonna get this deal,
and I took the word and it actually worked out.
But for me it felt good because I find a
guy what I was deserving of. And for me at

(46:18):
that time, I remember they used to promise me like
my second third year, they was promising to day was
gonna redo my contract because back then Philly was known
for getting their players that early and locking them up,
like giving them some money earlier and locking them up
for later in their career. So for me, I was like, man,
it was rewarding, bro, And it was like, you know
all the work I was putting into it. It made
me feel good two fourteen statistically, Uh, your best season,

(46:49):
your third Pro Bowl selection? Uh? And then you released
after everything you would have been through with that team.
What was that experience? Like, ah, yeah, he coaching the
ul A right now. You know what's how about? It was?
It was personal, man, for me coming off my best
statistic year, I mean with eighty three catches over thirte yards,

(47:13):
nine touchdown. Like you you're releasing the dude after him
being a Pro Bowl receiver, Like what are you doing?
Like in my mind, I'm like, what's going on? And
what kind of with mind? Bothering to me was the
allegations and the stories they dug up and made up
that It was like that was the reason why they
released me. Oh he's a game and where he hangs
out with does criminals he's doing you know what I'm saying.

(47:35):
I'm like, Bro, I have no felons, I have no
no record, I ain't never been the jail. Like you're saying,
you're mad at me because I grew up where I
grew up and hang out who I hang out with,
so it's for me. It was kind of like a
staff of my back bro And it was like everything
I did for y'all and coming off my best years,
like y'all just come like if y'all didn't want to
pay me, just tell me you don't want to pay,
but to try to tarnish my name and who I

(47:57):
am like, and then you got other teams looking, damn,
do we want to take a risk of him doing
like is there something that's gonna come out like he
had to come out here going to jail, you know
what I'm saying. It was just like it was a
situation for me and I took that personal. That's why
I did go to to Washington. Every time I played
the Eagles, I made him regret that decision. Let's I mean,
I want to touch on that a little bit because
obviously he is the head coach we're talking about. Chip

(48:18):
Kelly is the head coach U c l A. And
there was a lot of racial allegations um swarming around
the way he moved and and perceived m A handful
of you guys, some of the better players on the team. Uh,
you know, can you speak to that a little bit.
When he first came in, it was like, you you
you you're doing something that professional athletes shouldn't have to,

(48:38):
you know, go through. Like when you when you first
the head coach you come in, that's like coming in
telling your starter, you playing bed stag whoever y'all starting
five is. And you got a new head coach to
come in and say, from the get go, none of
y'all starters. Are you telling me pro bowlers or All
Star player, tinton whatever, Michael Vig, Sean Coin me all

(49:01):
the start, like no one was the starter. He basically said,
everybody gotta earn their spots. We're looking at this dude like, bro,
you know what he's talked to Like, Bro, we pro bothers.
We hey way more than you like you talking about
we all basically don't start. So we like from that
gig go, it was like and she came in and
was trying to do like we really felt like we
as college players, like we really felt like he was

(49:21):
trying to control us on some college and it was like, Bro,
we've been through that phase already. Bro, we professional athletes,
and we know what it takes to get it done
at the high level. We've been doing this ship, So
for me, that ship was kind of personal. Bro, just
everything he tried to come doing, you know, like you said,
like you letting go of players, this legitimi the best
of the best me McCoy, Michael Vicks. Like, Bro, if

(49:41):
you would have kept that team and the other Bro,
that team could have, especially Bro, we could have legitimately
won the Super Bro. And it was like he broke
that team up and brought people in that he wanted
to bring in and probably was going yes man him
or listen to every command he wanted, and it was
like us, we really we really felt like we didn't
have to do that because we already gained our respect
and we were who we were. Is he well in
the Urban was he doing? Was he Urban Meyer before

(50:02):
Urban Mind? Were Urbans doing in Jacksonville? Kind of trying
to bring that college. It ain't gonna work, Bro, Yeah,
I mean that, don't get me wrong, his offensive scheme
because we're bought like we had Like I said, I
had my best as statistics from the offensive side of it.
But it's the outside. Yeah, it's like the day to
day like he wanted us to put a heart money
on going to sleep and see how many others people slept.

(50:24):
Professional athlete, Like, we're not college, bro. He asked people
to pay in the cup to see how hydrated you is. Like, Bro,
if you can't come in and performing the best of
your ability and you know you're a professional athlene you
getting paid all this money? What are we doing? Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like he almost
had like people on the least, but it's like, you
can't implement that in the professional level. But it's the
same thing they're saying about urban mind. That's not gonna work.
The same thing. It ain't gonna work, Bros. It's hard

(50:46):
to do. You gotta like the Andy Reid's the bill
better ships, like the coaches that the mar respect, but
give respect and understand you got a player mentality relationship.
Like if you can't go howle at your head coach?
Like you feel like you can't talk to your head coach.
How are you gonna put put yourself on the line
when it's in the game and you gotta go on one?
How are you gonna put yourself on the line for
your coach? You feel like you came do the same

(51:06):
for you, you know what I'm saying. So that's just
the mentality that I feel like it was went wrong
with him. What was it like working with Michael Vick?
You got that a special connection man, Michael Vick. I
feel like it's one of the best players I didn't
ever play with, but we we had. We had the
most of the most Like if if I look back
and you know, do all the statistics, like we me
and him had some of the biggest plays, like legitimate,

(51:28):
so many players we could pull up and look man,
and for me, like growing up, he was an eyder
than me, you know, on the first Black quarterbacks taking
first round everything he went through, Um, you know it's
one of his cousins. Boys he grew up with end
up snitching on him. He's trying to take care of everybody.
Had a hunt of dudes rolling with him, taking care
of everybody lifestyles. Like I learned so much from you
know what I'm saying, Just from me being younger looking

(51:50):
up to him and being able to have a chance
to really sit in the same rooms and have like
a big bro little bowl relationship like and when we
first met, he was like man, I see a lot
a lot of you and me. And it was when
he told me that ship kind of fuck me up
because I'm like, damn, Like while you said that, he
was like, you know, I just see all your boys,
you're taking you doing this, you're doing that. Like I
was the same way, but he was like, you need

(52:10):
to cut that because if it really comes down to it,
I ain't gonna have your back, you know what I'm saying.
If it comes a situation where issuing them, they're gonna
choose them, you know. And it was like he really
learned like betrilled, like people really stabbing on his back
for people he took care of, you know what I'm saying.
So he kind of like taught me that early. So
for me, I was able to see like, you know,
let me start cutting back, let me stop doing You

(52:30):
get what I'm saying, Because everybody loves you when you're
on top and you're hand the money and you shopping
and you're taking spreeze. You know what I'm saying, Like,
everybody love you. But the minute you don't do something
for somebody, how they feel about you, so you say,
now are gone? Anyway, I hope he get hurt. I
hope he getting cut. You know what I'm saying, just
a little ship like that. But on the field, I

(52:51):
mean one of the best deep balls. I mean, you've
got a nice deep ball through right now. Uh in Stafford.
But like I said, you and Mike's deep ball connection
was under the level, Mike, Mike Vick. Ye as far
as now, Like you know, I'm intrigued to see how
it's gonna work out with me and matth staff Matthew Stafford,
but right now you're to date, Mike Vicks has been
the best quarterback I played with it just as far

(53:12):
as the deep ball, the home I'm balled through the
deep passes like his arm was effortless. Looks just slinging.
He used to be like this and throw eighty yards.
How can man doing that and throw the ball like
you ain't even doing that. He's doing it like how
you throw the ball at eighty yards just flicking the
rist Mark's ninth my birthday, by the way, two thousand

(53:33):
and seventeen, you pick yourself up a nice three year
deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh. What was it
like being out there in Tampa? You had a young
Mike william Or. Uh Mike Evans, right, yeah, tample weapons. Yeah,
Tampa was a It was a cool vibe. Man. It
was actually my first time I think I was just
turning thirty thirty one over whatever it was, and it

(53:54):
was like my first time my career where I could
go playing some good weather. I'm like, I'm used to
being in the code. He's oh phity Washington. It was
like I had a chance to go to Florida. So
when I first went to Florida, I got out there
and Temple was hot. I ain't you you know, I'm
a category. I ain't used to that. Tampa. When I
went out there hunting ten degrees, hunting, uh, present humidity,

(54:18):
I'm like, bro, this is gonna be brute. I remember
the first year. I remember the first game I'm playing
in the game, Like if I knew it was gonna
be this, I probably went to sign. But I'm about there.
I never had a heat strug brother first game and
I'm about to die. But now it was cool man,
it was good aws. Uh you know Jamis Wilson was there.
Like you said, we had Chris Godwin, Uh, Mike, Mike Evans,

(54:38):
you know the team with the team was five. We
we really didn't had too many. We had good players,
but we didn't play that good. You know, two years
went five with five and eleven. So we never really
end up. You know, Jamis kind of struggle a little bit.
Me and him really really never connected like that, And uh,
that's kind of the most of that story. It was,
so you head back, uh to Philly where you were

(55:00):
sucked in with that situation getting there or what was
your your approach heading back to Philly. So heading back
to Philly in twenty nineteen, it was honestly at this point,
chip Kelly was gone. They had brought an old coach
back when I was used to be with Andy reid
Um Doug Peterson was the head coach. So I had
like a good relationship with Doug Peterson, so I could

(55:20):
remember when I was in when I was in Washington,
it was like they was trying to figure out a
ways to get me back, like literally like four or
five years and they was trying to get me back
because I was killing them so bad, like every time
I played, and we gotta fire away to get back,
like chip Kelly gone, Like let's figure out a way
to get him back. So I was in the talks,
you know, not not a lot of people suposting to it,
but yeah, you know we talked here and there. You
know how ideas when a team wants you and you

(55:42):
know they ain't posed behind that, they like, we're gonna
figure out the way to get your ads back. So
it's just one of the things. But the reunion was
actually it was good. It was good because you know,
I felt like I really should have never left in
the first place, and it was like the person that
really made the decision, it wasn't there no more. And
even though the GM was there and certain people was there,
like when Chip Kelly was here, they literally gave him

(56:03):
the key to everything, like he was like the general manager.
He was bringing players in, like it was everything that
was him. So I kind of really didn't feel that
much of a weight towards the owner in the GM.
But you know, they all ended together. You know, at
the end of the day, they first game back, you
break a record, uh to get you into I think
second place, Uh ship you surpassed Randy Moss. I mean,

(56:25):
that's the hell of his name. First and force, when
you hear yourself knowing where you come from, what you've
been through the journey you've been on. When you start
passing people like Randy Moss and lessons of the game
like that, what does that mean to you? I mean, honestly, man,
in the midst of it, you know, you feel good
about it, but it's still like I ain't done, because

(56:47):
you know what I'm saying. It's like I I still
know I got a lot left in the tank, and
I feel like I'm continuously still putting on, man. And
it's like as much as I feel like I've arrived
or I've accomplished something, like I ain't done yet, bro.
So I'm still I'm not really content with that because
I know I still want to push that that that
bar I want to push that you ain't You ain't
sat back and just thought about really, I mean moments

(57:12):
he was here and there to hit me like I
see something like damn. You know, But when you're in
the midst of it, bro, you really really yeah, you
don't really get too much caught up in it. Because
if I sit back and get too much caught up
in it, it's gonna take me off my ground. I
don't want to get off like I'm still on the needle.
Uh first touchdown with the Rams, you're tied for the
most uh seventy five plush yard touched. That's sucking crazy

(57:33):
to say. If y'ard touched out, you tie the record
the most, Like what's that like for you? That that
one right there was special And the reason the reason
why I said that one special because it happened back home,
you know what I'm saying. That's that's where I started
playing that, you know. So for me to come back
home like literally was so far Stadi was built, was
where I played part wanta ball. That ground up, that soil,

(57:54):
all that dirt right there is where I used to
play ball. That being a little hard hitted, snotty nose
boy like I was in the backyards playing over there,
bro So for me to come back and score my
setting with ninth, serdeni fire, like you said that that
number is. I didn't ever really know about that stat
that one kind of caught me yard. I knew about
the fifty yard or the sifty yarder, but when they

(58:15):
said serdny fire, that might be hard for anybody to
be right there because the last person that had I
think it was like one or something crazy, you know,
what I'm saying. So gotta say, Man, I'm still in
the midst of I can't. I can't get content. Bro.
Maybe one day we'll sit back and you know, do
what we do and talk about it. But as right now, Uh,

(58:36):
toughest defenses to come to mind. A couple of defensive
come to mind over throughout your thirteen plus your career.
Mm hmm. I would probably have to say I had
to go back to the early days, like my my
rookie year, I would probably say, like the Pitchburgh Steelers,
Troy Polama, who, uh, Joey Porter, Uh, what's the what's

(59:02):
the big Harrison Harrison? Yeah, James James Harrison still bench
pressed the house. Um, yeah, that that defense was crazy.
Casey Hayward, Oh, I can't forget about air reading and
Ray Lewis. It was called Boston Moore was called back
then too. It was something. It was something about the
AFC back then towns and yeah, towns and they they

(59:25):
had according to I can't remember his name, but yeah,
they they were them two defenses was called back off
the field. Uh, you're part of the Tupac all Eyes
on Me project with our man Lt. Hut. I saw
the cameo. I didn't know that, yeah, but you behind
the scenes. But our man LT talked to us how
that came about, and uh some some of the other

(59:47):
business stuff you interested in off the field shit. So
I mean the LT situation obviously, you know LT. Just
the relationship with you know, Snooping. You know, since I've
been a young kid back and going to high school college,
you know, I used to always just be around him,
hanging out with him. So, you know, me and LT
kind of, you know, just genuinely, you know, built the
relationship where I knew he was in the music industry.

(01:00:09):
You know, I was dealing with some music stuff. You know,
I got a record label. He was kind of helping
me on and you know, LT us always be like,
you know, I know you love his music ship, but
he was like, this movie stuff is where you need
to put your money. And He's like, I could guarantee
you get your money back on the movie. He said,
the music, I can't guarantee you come back your money
back on the music, but he said this movie I could.
I could guarantee that. So you know, we came together

(01:00:30):
and uh, you know, I invested in the Tupac film
and uh, you know, he had the company called The
Program Pictures where you know, he had like a lot
of projects, you know that he was working on. But yeah,
the Tupact. You know, growing up, I'm a dollhard. Tupac
is one of my favorite he don't know what any
of course, you know, Tupac is one of my favorites.
You know, getting through when I was young and just

(01:00:53):
hearing gunshots and just living in the hood, like I
should throw Tupac on it. He would help, you know,
relieve like certain situations I went through. So that to
being able to have a piece in that Tupac movie,
that's like, that's a legendary for me. That's like one
of my goals, like you say, a pet p or
something you on your bucket list that you gotta have
before you die, Like that's one of the things. To
being connected with something that had to do with Tupac

(01:01:15):
being a producer in this movie. That's bigger than having
a party and yeah, now you're right, And then for
that to be saying like yeah, that was that was
crazy would even be a part of right. You know
that you have a weekly podcast, Fade the booth Um,
talk to us about that you got to cut, you
put a couple of episodes out, You've got something the bank.

(01:01:36):
What were trying to get across with that? So so
fade the booth man. Um, So I got hurt, I wannestly.
I got hurt about like the two thousand nineteen and
I had like a growing injury surgery and I was
off for the season. So I'm sitting back, I'm like, man,
you're twelve. I'm like, man, I can't play football forever, Like,
let me figure out something knocking, you know, do where
it's like fun and it ain't hard for me, you

(01:01:58):
know what I'm saying. So I'm sitting back thinking, I'm like,
you know, my brother always had a camera in my
face that had documentaries. He still shoots out now. But uh,
I'm like, man, I was always, you know, in front
of a camera. It's like this ship is easy to me. Bro.
So I'm like, let me, you know, bring people and
there y'all to y'all inspired it, you know, getting a

(01:02:18):
kid willow like you know, seeing young brothers kind of
doing their thing. And I'm sitting back like, you know,
let me, let me get into the podcast industry. And
for me, I just really wanted to open up and
you know, give you know, my platform and you know
my viewers just the inside to me, you know, and
not only me, but you know my guest. You know,
I had a little Wayne come on had uh you know, Mark,

(01:02:38):
Shawn Lynch, Michael Vick, Michael Rubin, just give him a
different perspective, you know, Like I had an owner on here,
like a billionaire owner, just talking about like lifestyle things
like what made him who he was at early because
he was twenty years old, thirteen years old, had a
billionaire mentality. You know, people invested in them, you know,
him taking out money like things that me, being twelve

(01:02:59):
years old, I wouldn' thought about, like how his mind
was programed. Like So it's just for me just opening
up and talking about situations that people can sit back
and know that like we all might be celebrities, we
all might be who we are, but we still went
through ship that it was that defining point in our life.
Like you know, so for me to fade the booth
is really just letting people know it's possible to make it.
Like everybody that's successful, we go through something and I

(01:03:21):
know a lot of people be sitting back at home, Like, oh,
I tried this and it didn't work, So let me
give up? No, like, keep going, like, figure out what
it is you want to do. So for me, I
love inspired, man. So Faith the Booth is really just inspired. Man.
Where can they find that? So Faith the Booth you
can find on I g then you know it's on
you know, YouTube, Spotify, it tunes, you know the whole time.

(01:03:41):
Shout check man. I love for y'all to come on
mind to you know, we gotta cross promoted man. Fatherhood.
You got two little guys. How important is that to you? Man? Fatherhood? Man,
It's huge to me. I'll look at fatherhood as you know,

(01:04:02):
what do I want my kids to hear about me
when they when they grow up and they become older.
You know, what are people gonna say about their dad?
You know? And for me, I'm gonna stand up. Dude.
I'm a respectful dude. You know, I'm a hard working dude,
and uh, you know, I just want them to know that,
you know, they pops as a real one, you know,
and they got something to look up to. But then

(01:04:23):
then my kids gonna be real is they might not
grow up and live. I live, but I'm install that
and and have them understanding like you know, you gotta
get you gotta work for what you want on here,
you know. So I think me and a father for
me kind of you know. Let me know, it's not
all about myself. You know when you before you have kids,
you put yourself first. And it's like, now that I
have kids, I'm not first anymore, my kids, but first,
you know. So that's all I look at it. Quick hitters,

(01:04:47):
final stretch, first thing to come to mind. Let us know.
Top five receivers are all time, Top five receivers all time.
So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Jerry Rice, uh
Randy Moss, Michael Irving, Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson. Who's I'm

(01:05:13):
up there? I ain't put me in there, but I'm up.
The Top three artists, Our songs on rotation on Game Day.
Top three artists, Our songs. I got Um, I got
Nipsey for show, Nipsey hustle on there, um Tupac our
lives on me. Third one probably would be I like

(01:05:37):
the young jeezy, But when I knew, I was thinking
about just say geez, why jeez, Yeah, you're the old
man one. Yeah to be on there for sure. If
you can go back and relive one moment in your
career high school, college, NFL up to this point, where
would it be, man, high school? Bro? I would probably

(01:05:59):
say if I could rewind time, and I would want
to go back to my high school days. Man. I
used to really have so much fun in high school,
being being like a junior senior, having all them scholarships offers,
being a dude. You know, back then, I had a car,
like you know we used to just you ain't had
no I ain't got no bills and mars. Give me
a little money here and there. I'm going hanging with

(01:06:19):
the homes. We're hanging out, hanging with ain't no telling
wore doing? Man, I used to have fun. But I
think about now thirty fun Like damn, we're all the
time ago. But it's like, if you could relive it
like high school, if I like some good moments from
the top Top three favorite NBA players to watch Top three? Uh,
number one, I'm wrong, Na, he don't know. You know,

(01:06:46):
you know I argue with a lot of these dudes
on this Kobe Bryant thing, man, because I feel like
I don't get me wrong, Lebron is freaking nation like
he's really one on one, but he don't. He don't
got that killer instinct. I say the same thing, he
don't got that dog, And I'm like, it's it's times
where you know, took over. He did his thing, but
he got dog. Just ain't the Kobe dog. A lot

(01:07:07):
of times he passing the ball, Like I don't want
if you're the dog, you know, man, two or three minutes,
I don't want to see you passing. You're taking over.
It's just for me, y'all. You know, I know Kobe
gonna take over. He might shoot them up a hunt
of times. But but yeah, so Kobe um Ai Chuck
and uh my third man, my third probably be uh.

(01:07:32):
I like, damn man, Yeah, five dinner guests dead, are alive,
Five dinner guests chopping it about life. Hmmm. I would
have liked to do pack shit Kobe, Uh, I say,

(01:07:57):
Eli Muss Beyonce and probably the last one I'd probably
go with h m hmm. Man, I'm talking last seat,
last seat. Who can I say the comedian that you
might want to laugh a little bit, said they Chappelle.
He on the hot seat right now. It ain't even

(01:08:19):
to be honest, it ain't even hot. Mother's who had
something to say. I wish you motherfucking would right the
ground love it. Last question the goat. Okay, the last
question is remember your answer. You gotta help us get

(01:08:40):
your answer on the show. Right. Who do you want
to see on All the Smoke? Mm hmm. He's gonna
that's easy. But he's gonna do that without it. That's easy.
Ship Bron. So. I just ran into bron last night
at Westbrooks. They had the premiere last that I've seen Broun.

(01:09:00):
I said, Bro, it's time in season three. He's like,
I'm ready, I'm ready. I think everybody can do It's
a good thing about it though. It's a lot of podcasting,
a lot of shows. But everybody waiting for him to
sit on that couch, no question. You know what I'm saying.
They waiting for him do it. Y'all could do it?
Come on, man, come on, can do it? Wait on?

(01:09:23):
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