Jaime Foxx | Ep 43 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | #StayHome with SHOWTIME Basketball - All The Smoke

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A student popular football player Evil child Lester signing to
descended Gil who I've never woken up in the morning
and wondered, did we get the wrong guy? This trial
was a sham. There's been an outcry. He was absolutely guilt.
They got it wrong. Initially I was pretty confessed as

(00:21):
in a sence. Now I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Welcome back to a special quarantine edition. We got a
real special guys. What's up with your brodyach with the
virtual handshake? Oh tell you something that I never told
no about it? I want to smoke. Welcome back to

(00:43):
another quarantine addition of all the smoke, I'm excited about
this one. This is this is this is the A
list edition. Like I mean, I I think we all
did ourselves here. Jack Ship, Yeah, man, I can't believe it. Yeah,
I mean, go ahead and introduce me. Let's get it
your started. You can't even spit that ship out. I
know you can't get it out. I ain't gotta lick

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my lips and nothing. I'm ready to go and they
get ready to go. All right, man, Welcome or the
greatest hottest actors of our generation. Uhrind sitting ground Yeah,
groundbreaking musician, jack of all trades, if you don't mind
me using that term. Welcome Jamie Fox. Thanks for the
chiming on. Man, come on, you ain't gonna do all that, man,

(01:28):
hold on, we gotta the rest of the world gotta know, man,
you man, you left out super party thrower. Man, what
I still got? Chicks I talked to that I met
at your party? Was that ten years ago? How long ago? Throw?

(01:48):
Ten years ago, don't matter? About two years ago, you know?
And you came in all the smooth and light skilled, smooth.
I've remember the legendary session we had in your studio. Yeah, man, singing, rapping,
smoking stupids in there. Yeah man, you but you know

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that's that's really kind of hard. How I got into
the business like throwing throwing parties, man, Like back in
the day, like I had just got on this little
show called and Living Color back in the day, dog,
and I wasn't, I wasn't nobody. But like I talked
to this girl, really pretty, and I said, how do
I get people to come to my party? She said, Jamie,

(02:32):
throw parties. Invite the girls, but don't put no pressure
on that's what you mean. She don't put no pressure
on and make sure they can have a good time.
You know what I'm saying, relaxed, I said, cool, So
I throw this little it was a Halloween party, dog,
and I went all out. I spent like eight hundred
dollars I had, I had catered, you know back then
that's early not I went all out and went all

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out dog. And then like it was a Halloween party,
like Tim thirty was, nobody had to create. I said, damn,
I don't blew it. I don't spend all this morning,
got barbecue whatever funk And then like them thirty, they
started rolling in and then that's yo, Yo came back
in the day all of you know, all the casts
was coming. But I was wondering who big was gonna

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show up to stamp the party. And I'm looking outside
and this motherfucking black what is it? N nexs the
what's that the black Excess? What's that car? Uh? The Nissa?
What was the Nissan Excess? And the ex Yeah, that
black whatever the funk? That was black ass car? Think

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the ship was rich looking. And Wesley Snipes got out
the room and came to my this is the you
know the thing. It came up here here party is
going on. So that started like this tradition man of

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like just getting everybody in the in the in the
same place. Man, and I would invite. I would invite
musical people because I wanted to get into music too.
I would invite music people to the crib. So when
you saw snooping all them, that was just like part
of what I had been doing since ship man. I remember.
I remember the biggest one was in two thousand and

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we had h That's when Puff was hot. Puff was like,
you know on this ship. You know what I'm saying.
This nigga would come to l A and shut all
the clubs down and we couldn't even get in our
own club that type ship. And so I threw this.
It was a house party. And Puffy threw a party
for like a million dollars in Philly, and I was
I used to follow him with a camera said he said,

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you play boy, it's part of a million dollars. Like,
what the funk a million? That was for a party?
I said, Puck, I threw a party in l A
for four hundred dollars. That a arrival. That all right
with his part, and he got mad he's they're gonna play.
That's what I'm just saying, man, you know. So he
comes to l A. He gets here, Uh, he calls
me like a Saturday morning. He said, Yo, play one,
make that ship happen. So I called up you know

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me and Dave Brown called us from Girls or whatever
like that, and I have a little small house like
over there in a in a band all of them
and show about twelve new When I called him, I said, bro,
you better get here. His fever pitch. And when he
got there, he walks in, he said, that's the girl
from that show. And that's the girl from that movie.
And that's like said, yeah, yeah, we all know each other.
But look on the table. I got Kentucky fried chicken.

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I got Coca cola in a in a in a
in a picture. I said, were two hundred and eight dollars.
And it's a fever pitch. And at that at that point,
it was everybody. Missy had a room, Missy Elliot had
a room. Missy was hot. But then it was a
dude standing on the standing on the wall. DI did
nobody know who who he was? Guess who it was?
He had attracted Jack, don't guess it was. It was

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Jay z. Well, nobody knew who he was. And I
walked up to him and said, nice party. It's crazy
like all time and said he it's crazy. So he
was in for real? Was there? So that tradition? We
just keep it rolling. You put that on. I mean,
hands down, this motherfucker. It's crazy. It's craziest. Nice party,

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like the short term, it's crazy crazy. Talking about Jackie
talking about is this part he wants you to first,
I'm laughing. I'm laughing. I'm laughing because every time I
see you do impersonation, Bro, I just think of rotting
the earl of bones. Bro's gonna be all right, he said,

(06:40):
he blazed to get burned on. I understanding you can
get burned. Hey, Steve Stephen, I owe you something, though, Man,
what's that I've been stealing from you? Bro? What's that
I've been stealing? You don't? You don't even know? Look,
you know I'm steal I'm steal in YOUM dog trying

(07:00):
to hoot, uh huh. And you know I would have
made it to the league. Just my calf must gotta
hand on calf. But check this. Every time we're battling
and I got the ball and it's it's it's last shot.
You know what I say, pressure, I make a lot
of pressure. I make a lot of what a shirt saying,

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don't make a move to Bro. I told Matt you
tell a story, man. I told Matt you told me
at the game, at the little games, like Jack, I
was walking like, what's up, Jam. I was just happy
to see him. You know what I'm saying. You put
me your sides like Bro, the game was going on. Man.
He walked behind the bench and pulled me to the
side while he was coaching the game. He's like, look, Bro,
I don't know what you got going on, but I'll

(07:46):
make a lot of pressure. We need you need to
make T shirts what a T shirt said right now?
Right now? But but befriend But tell a story though,
because I'll be telling people. It was. It was just
tell a story about there was a scheme, what you
would have done in that situation. Yeah, it was a reporter.
It was a reporter and uh it was I was
I made a lot of big shots with the Spurs

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and uh. And it was asked me like, well, you know,
you fis your first time in these moments, you know,
what I'm saying, And you've been dealing well with pressure.
I said, well, you know what I'm from from part
of texts we make love of pressure. Oh my almost
almost to my shoe with nobody said that, and all
the interviews that I've seen, that's the coolest ship in
the world. The motherfucker say, I make loved of Look

(08:31):
at I'm gonna make some shirts and seeing you on
just so we can have just me. We're gonna make
the shirts. We're gonna make the salk I made the pressure. Yeah,
you don't even want to make love? Do you want
to make their production? Baby hare for time? Yeah? My

(08:57):
motherfucking face her. We hadn't even started yet. God man, man,
we appreciate you. Let's get to it though. Man, only
the second male in history to receive two Oscar nominations
for two different movies, for African American to do it.
The only other person do it was al Pacino. We
know it was a grind, but in that moment, being

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that part of history, what did that mean to you?
In order to get to that history, we had to
go back or what I what I went through. You know,
It's sort of like I referenced everything like sports, you know,
being a rookie on a Living Color or with the winds.
You know, I was like the eighth funniest person. Imagine
walking into you the eight funniest person. It was. It
was Keenan, it was it was Damon, it was the

(09:38):
fucking Tommy Davison. And then motherfucker's was in incredible. So
I had to learn how to really compete. And Keenan
told me something man that I'll never forget. Keenan was
tough on us, and you'll remember. I don't know if
you'll remember this er because it was like, you know,
back Back Colors, one of my favorite shows. Listen, when
we was on that show, bro think about it. It
was only twenty two minutes of airtime, so it was

(10:00):
just like getting game time. So in order for you
to get game time, and you had to beat Jim Carrett,
beat that, Damon wins and and Keenan said, listen, man,
as a black comedian, if you ain't great, you ain't ship,
he said, so I'm gonna hold you all the greatness.
So I just I just maintained that man, and and
like like from doing the stand up comedy, trying to

(10:22):
be great at that from from from watching Eddie Murphy
on stage, Like I snuck in and watched Eddie Murphy
on stage. When I was nineteen, I watched Adam Sandler
do his first gig, Chris Rock all that. So I
just kept saying, if I could just beat the next
montheruck in the room, I will always have a way
to make my way through this business. And then finally, look, man, uh,

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Ray Charles came along. Uh that movie came on and
it was like I had been preparing myself, not knowing
that this movie was gonna come along. But my but
but when I got with the director, the director was like,
you know, when we first started working on Ray, first
of all, I had to be a hundred and fifty
seven times. Yeah, so I was so right now, you know,

(11:05):
I'm walking around now because I'm getting ready to jump
up to this Tyson thing. I'm all around there like
two oh five. But I had to drop to one
fifty seven. And then he was like, Okay, I got
a problem. I said, I gotta be able to hold
the camera on you, but I need somebody to play
the piano for you. I said, no, man, my grandmother,
you know, taught me how to play piano when I
was five years old. So so I'm equipped, I'm ready

(11:27):
to go get it. And now, mind you, nobody was
really thinking about the movie Ray Charles. We wasn't thinking
about that. It was an independent film. And then finally
I meet Ray Charles and I had to I had
to like really win him over, and I said, Mr Charles,
I just want to do the best that I can
to you know, to to to tell your story. And
he's like, hey, you know what can you pay the blues?

(11:50):
I said, uh, I said, what if you could play
the blues? Fan, you can do anything. So we sat down.
So we sat down on the piano, right, and we
started playing the piano. So we're playing the blues and
everything like that, and then I hit up. He moved
into thelonious Month, which is right, real intricate, jash it
and then I hit the wrong note and he got, hey,

(12:11):
you know what the fun did you do that? I
was like, oh, I was just trying to keep up
and said, you know what, the right notes man? You
know that's and he said, that's what life is, taking
your time to hit the right notes. So I finally
played the piece right. He got up, slapped his leg,
the kids got it and he walked out. So that
preparation when we got into the movie was all I had.

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One of the problems was that I met Ray Charles
while he was older. I needed the young Ray Charles,
so I reached out to Quincy Jones. I go over
to the Quincy house and said, hey, man, Shu, come
on in here. Man, what are you trying to do? Man,
I said, I'm trying to do all the Ray Charles
said ship Man. It was the son of a bet
from you know, I have all the kids to what

(12:55):
he was doing, and he was a son of a
bet for them. So I said, but I need to
know the young Raychels. So he gave me a cassette tape.
I could imagine that conversation alone, man, just sitting there
talking to Quincy talking about, you know, what he did
with Michael Jackson and Ussher and all that ship was
just amazing. And he gave me that cassette tape. He said,

(13:15):
maybe there's something on this tape. And on that tape
people would probably have to google this, but it was
a lady named Dinah Shore on there and she says, Hi,
this is down the shore from the Donna Shore Show
were two very wonderful musicians, and Mr Kenney Rogers and
Mr Ray Charleston and in the back you hear, um,
even when I'm so happy to be here, you know, Donn,
I didn't even give me my music that you know.

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And then and then she asked him about the drugs.
She said, we'll talk about the drugs, right, He's like,
and he stopped, and so he started to like, you know,
stumble and the fumble his words. So I took that
as the DNA that every time he was met with
something that was challenging, he was he was stuttering the movie.
And so then we went on. We did the movie man,
and after the movie came out, you've just seen every

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they flopped to it. It was like, you know, when
I'm doing these characters, man, sometimes the characters have to
like embody you. So I embody Ray and then it
just caught fire and the next thing you know, um,
we was on our way. You feel like that was
your crowning moment, right like that was your welcome to
kay I made it. Do you feel like an exhale

(14:21):
with that? Well, I mean yeah, because the thing about
it was is that it was nominated for Oscar, but
it was nominated for something that was that was dope.
You know how sometimes you get nominated or people get
nominated in the character be a little off, like something
that that ain't really like cool. This was something that
everybody could rally around music. The Ray was a g

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he was he was dropping jams. He was saying things
like what I'm making do what they do it? I mean,
it was like all these things that was coming out.
So it was you know, it was a moment of
time that we all enjoyed. And it was black, you know,
it was for us it was like a and but
at the same time it was it was universal. And
Dave Brown sitting here right here, showed your place that

(15:07):
yo yo, yeah, okay whatever brand that's David. But the world,
the world No Brian, now shout out Brian, Ye can't

(15:30):
go life. But you know what, we kept it man
during that time, man, we kept it show us like
we was partying when people man uh like Like, as
a matter of fact, after the end of the um,
when we got that, when we got the Oscar, right,
we didn't go to the Governor's ball. We Dave threw
a party for us and we just we just we
we you know, we went over this way with the

(15:52):
black folks winning the party. Motherfucker's grabbed the grabbed the
oscar in my hand was taking pictures with that ship
and smoking. I lost the motherfucker. I lost the motherfucker.
I saw the oscar. It was so much weed and
the motherfucking party was hide and they lost his lost
his mother baits and ship. He was damn and I

(16:14):
know this to do this ship. Yeah. Well, let's take
it back to Man, to really where it all started.
Born Eric Marlin Bishop, a Texas boy, government Texas boy,
Texas boy. Yeah, Man, Texas man, it's Steve. You know
what's that? You know it's about. Back back in the
they had that California creac. They talked to him a

(16:37):
little bit. I read on how you change the reason
why you changed your your name? Uh, tell our fans
what the reason behind changing from you know, your government
name to Jamie. Yeah. What happened was that l a.
It was like open mic night, so like I went
on as Eric Bishop at at the comedy store. And
that's back in the day. They were like on Monday nights. Bro.

(16:59):
It was was crazy. You see, and you see different
people out. You see like the young Tupac out, you
see everybody out. Everybody would come out on money. I was,
that's that's the trip. You know what I'm saying. We
didn't know. We was hanging with legend. You see young
Tupac out. I remember Tupac was hanging and he was like,
damn n pop whatever. And I finally I get on stage.
Right when I get on stage, like I see like

(17:21):
you know, I'm straight from Texas, Steve. I didn't know.
I didn't know l A. But everybody was dressed in blue.
I was like, you your parts probably still starts down. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. But everybody was dressed in
blue Steen but it was chrips. It was like, but
I didn't know what it was, you know. And they said, nig,
that's that's a crips. That's what the fun. So what

(17:42):
then they say they you know, they come, they come
to this motherfucker you know all the time. So what
I did was I was watching the room and I
went up and I did all of my person nations.
But I did them like if there was a crip,
Like what if? What if? What if? What if? Mike Tyson.
What if Mike Tyson was a crips? I thought, you know,
what's up? My then wait bout the champion's going crazy

(18:04):
and ship right? And so after I get like this
standing ovation, I come back the next week and they
wouldn't let me on the stage because the comedians were
running the list. So like for like a few weeks,
I couldn't get back on. I was like, damn, what
the fuck? So I go to this one Santa Monica

(18:24):
Improv and I noticed that every time they had a
open mic night, you know, ganga, it'll be a gang
of dudes there, right, and only like five girls, but
the five girls will always get on stage. So what
I did on the list I wrote down all these
unisex names like Stacy Green, Tracy Brown, Jamie Fox. And
the dude picked Jamie Fox. As I was at this
other place, he said, Jamie Fox, she here. I said, Yo,

(18:46):
that's me. I was like, that's you. I said, yea,
that's me right here, Jamie. Ni. What's so I go
on stage? You know, I hit him. I hit him
with the colleges to Bill Cosby crep all that ship
I didn't and I was the only I was the
only nigger doing Uh, I was doing Ronald Reagan impersonation,

(19:07):
only black dude. Well, it is a matter of fact
that killing the ship. So now they're shooting eating at
the improv at that at that time, and I have
a great set get to stand in ovation, and so
they're like, Yo, that's that new kid, Jamie Fox. And
so that's when it's stuck. And I had to get
used to the name because they was like yelling out

(19:28):
my name, said Jamie Jamie. But I wasn't paying on
attention to him. So the next star, I was stuck up.
But I had just got used to the name. You
know what I'm saying. So that's how I changed the
name up and the rest of that. Yeah, man talked
a little bit present day. I mean we locked up
right now. How are you in the family with what
you got going on with the new norm? What's that
for you? Man? Listen, man, I consider consider myself blessed

(19:52):
at this time because you know, my whole family is healthy.
When the first jumped off, I said, I got a feeling.
You know, I'm a Texas boy. I said, I got
a feeling about this. I said, let's all get in
the same place. Or all twelve of us got in
the same place. We hunted down, we got what we needed,
and uh, we've been we've been safe. Man. But you know,

(20:14):
your heart goes out to everybody else. And I try
to tell people all the time that even when it
comes to our political figures, right, I try to because
you know, we'll be on the phone with these guys
and you know, and I know everybody, you know, I
gotta done gigs for Republicans out of the gigs for Democrats.
I'm a Democrat myself, But all I've been saying on
the phone is just think about the common man. Just

(20:36):
think about the common man constantly, like put yourself in
like you know, everybody don't have. So in these next
few weeks is really critical that we get the right information,
especially when it comes to us when it comes to
black folks, you know, because we're being misled and we're
also being affected more than anybody. So you know, we're
trying to just trying to stay calm, trying to keep

(20:59):
that word out, trying to keep the positive energy, and
trying to think about you know, the person that that's
really out to struggle. How much you miss sports, and
I know you play a lot. I know sports have
been a big part of your life. How much you
missing sports right now? Bro Steven is killing if we
if we had the lot If it's one thing that's
killing the lockdown, it is not being able to watch

(21:20):
the basketball ship was heating up. It was so crazy.
I think about think about what King James had just
did them three games where he he loved Milwaukee, uh Clippers,
who else he loves? But I think it was after
that me he was on some ship. He was on

(21:42):
some remarkable ship at uh at the year seventeen. So
I was just watching that, like, man, I can't wait
for this ship to playoffs. So you're missing that and
now you're wondering are they gonna be able to I'm
sure y'all know, are they gonna be able to come back?
You know, that's what we don't know. But that but
that was to me, that was like it was at
the right time. I was like everybody on their games

(22:03):
and it it was like the big boys was out
to see Kauai. Uh to see uh uh Greek freak.
Greek freak. That's what I'm saying, baby face the camera.

(22:24):
I did say that to him one time. I funked up.
I thought the Buckers with friends, I said, he said,
what do you say, Man, I know you from somewhere
over then there. That's all I know. Yeah, man, missing, Yeah,
no big part. I mean, like you said, it's the
best time, right, I mean, the playoffs would be going
all right now. But like you said, there was so
much parody in the league this season, and so many
people wanted to see what that Laker Clipper playoff matchup

(22:48):
was gonna be. Like, so I hope we can hopefully
get there, Jackie all right over there, yeah, man, jack
But I gotta feeling Hey, man, let's get into it.
I gotta feeling on. He was about to he was
about to make some history. Man. Let me ask you
all this a player that is playing someone like Lebron
James And now I'm watching the Michael Jordan's uh A documentary.

(23:12):
The question is how hard is it now playing sports
in the world with social media where the narratives are
so crazy? Because when I look at Michael, he was
so heralded man and well deserved. Do you think, I mean,
how would that would have played out in modern daytimes
and we'd have had social media. That's that's trying to

(23:34):
be bigger, He'll be ten times even bigger, Like like
did you say Jordan was chosen to be to go?
Like he didn't ask to be to go, he was
chosen to be to go. But if they would have
had social media and all this technology when MJ was
coming up, he'll be ten times bigger than what he
is now. And here's and here's a question though, would
it be controversy as well? Because when I look at it,
like the guys that played now, they don't get that

(23:56):
love like they normally. It's always it's a lot, it's
always a hate because I'm looking at Lebron like he's
in the seventeenth year putting up these type of numbers.
Anybody to do anything for seventeen years good and somebody
get a plaque or get you know what I'm saying,
that kind of ship. But he gets a lot of
he get a lot of controversy. Why is that? Because

(24:17):
I just think it's it's it's easier today to show
it takes a strong man to show love, you know
what I mean? And I think you made a great point.
There's so many there's distractions. Back then, there's no doubt
and they were. You know, they're the rock Stars, biggest
team in the world. But at the same time, there
wasn't we had a we just we just did an
interview with Bradley Beal talking about how the media tried
to put him and John Wall against each other when
they're actually good friends, like brothers, you know what I mean.

(24:40):
So to think if the media would, if social media
would have been able to get in that locker room
with the ship that was going on with Pipping, because
obviously Mike felt a certain way about it, you know
what I mean, and his reasons, you know what I mean.
So what if social media got their hands on that
and throw that ship around? Could that have possibly caused
the friction in their relationship or friendship or their chemistry.
So that's a great question. It would have sucked it up.

(25:01):
What do you think, because I mean, I don't see
how these guys like man, you know, like I'm sensing
to to like motherfucker coming to tell your ass you
be ready to tell your computer, how would they have
dealt with all of that? Jack, but that ship, that
that ship affected Braun and Kyrie, you know, to be
infected that and just magic they would have stayed together,
but me personally with Braun, all his chatter, don't it

(25:23):
don't matter to him because before all his chatter, when
Braun was a teenager, Braun was sitting there thinking in
his own mind, I want to be better than Jordan.
I want to be the best to play the game.
So everything that's been sad now it's been said to
him in year seventeen, after all he's done, it doesn't
it don't matter because his goal was set in his
own mind, not based off what other people thinkright. Top five,
top five? Who your point guards to? Top five all time?

(25:46):
Who your point guard? This all the time? My point
guard would be uh Lebron James, who magics my point guard?
At your all? Right too, be Lebron too too. I'm
going Jordan's I got jo I got Jordan in my two.

(26:08):
I got I got Kobe at my three. Kobe at
my three, Kobe my three, go ahead. I got him
dunking at my four, Tim Duncan at your four. I
got Katie at my four. I'll about to say Katie
at my four. Now here's the thing I'm gonna change
because I had a different order. I had a different
order the other day. But I'm changing My five is shock. Yeah,

(26:29):
that's that's that's what I am. I'm going with these
in five. That the five. Here's the thing. Now let's
do errors because that's mine for the new era. What
about the old erabor? Oh, I'm going on. I'm going
with more cheeks, more cheese. I'm gonna I'm going with magic.
I'm taking Yeah, I'm still taking magic. Do you know

(26:49):
what I'm still taking? No, no, no, no, I'll take
my back. I'm going I Saila, Okay, I'm going magic. One.
Who we're going to I got Jordan still Jordan too,
for sure? Three we go, We're going. We're going back.
Now we're going back. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. No, no, no,
you can you know what I'm saying. The the rules
like rules like different rules like you know, like this

(27:12):
this area still I let you, I let John have this.
I'm going George Gervin. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Lebron at three three, I'm gonna go. But no a king.
Oh you're gonna old school on? Um huh. Yeah, I'm
going with Pip phel nice nice, actually, hold on, I'm

(27:39):
I'm gonna take I'm gonna go Grant Hill at my three. Okay,
I need I need Bird in it. I need Bird
in it or three or four? Four? Four? Oh, that's
a nice one. Bird at the four is a nice
stretch for I'm going at the four. I'm going. Uh boy,
boy boy, that was tough that with Bird. That's what

(28:02):
I meant. French lick. Yeah, I know right, I gotta
go Bird too. Yeah, I'm going. I'm I'm going with
Michalek four shoulders, mchaeale. Actually, excuse me, excuse me, back Barkley.
I got Barkley at my four. There you go, There
you go. There's a large Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

(28:30):
Horible five. Who you got? I gotta da I ain't
got no charts. I'm going with Will I'm I'm going
with Elijah one. Since I picked shot earlier, The Dream
Dream on the Dream, we touched on it. We touched

(28:53):
on it a little bit ago. But what do you
what are your thoughts on seeing this this last dance documentary,
because I think we're spoiled today with everyone just getting
to see everything about athletes, entertainers, whatever. It wasn't that way,
like we just tested it. Wasn't that way. So now
we're getting to see almost a social media look at
behind the scenes of how great that team was. But
like you said, you you you're were slowly but surely

(29:14):
find it out. There's some chinks in the armor. What
are your thoughts about what you're saying so far? Well,
you know what it is. I think that in today's world,
had this documentary came out there was no social media,
we will be able to watch it and take it in.
The problem is once it comes out social media, now
look at look at Scottie Pippen, what he gotta deal
with because they're talking about his money. So now you know,

(29:36):
they make it memes and you know, so it's sort
of hard to it's sort of hard for today's world
to accept it. Now. Me being from back at that time,
or not back at the time, but I mean being
old enough to have seen those games, I appreciate it
in a different way because I'm like, damn, I finally
get a chance to him. Michael talked about scott and
you know what I'm saying, I thought that was the one,

(29:57):
right because everybody was ship on Scotty. Be like Scottie
wasn't ship He wasn't. Then Michael did it all on
his own. I said, yo, man, y'all tripping Scottie Pippenham
was one of the Mother's assassin's ever and I said,
didn't without him exactly. Here's the thing, you guys, know this,
It's about being comfortable if somebody can make your job easy,

(30:19):
whether bass, playing basketball, or whether I'm in the movie
with great, great actors. When somebody can lift your shoulders
with Michael, ain't gotta worry about guarding the main players,
so you can save his lead because you know you
need Michael for that train often anytime you've got somebody
alleviate that type of pressure from Pipping Harper. Yeah, Ron Harper,

(30:40):
you're Tony Kukoach. These guys were Hall of famers, and
so when you look at that now you're able to
see because you know they're gonna give you tim parts,
but you're able to see what allowed Michael Jordan's to
beat Michael Jordan's and those guys were super important. So
I'm glad that they're getting that shine taking nothing from Michael,
because you know that's that's come on, you can't see

(31:02):
it's the goat. But they have to understand, and I'm
glad that showing it now that it was a lot
of it was a lot of help in that, man,
because the days look a lot of times we see
highlights and we see the greatest of the great but
we don't see those times when we struggle. And I
think that's just great about it, and you see the stroke.
I just wanted to say this. It felt good to
see the quote from Mike saying you can't talk about

(31:23):
Michael Jordan without Scotti, Pip, and I think to anybody
what he said, It felt good to finally see that
quote and see Mike say that, yeah, man, because I
know for Scotty man, think about being Scotty just being
like damn, you know, they don't know, but they don't.
They got crazy and they got the greatest voice, and well, yeah, Si,

(31:44):
you gotta got the wolf on his throat. Yeah, I
had to turn the base off. My TeV was st
you know, but about Nyes on this throat. But back
to your point, I think that the crazy part is
it's just because we say Mike had helped doesn't lessen
Mike's greatness, you know what I means at all. It's

(32:05):
just it's just that the Mike. You know, look a
lot of times, you know, like the tough things now
is even talking about would you get But you know,
Mike's Mike's I mean, I mean, Mike's of his his
his just his whole brand is so huge it's hard
to have a conversation about just basketball. So I'm glad

(32:29):
they got a chance to show just the basketball. You know,
I think it's it's important cause a Skip Bayliss says
something today that Scotty wasn't one of the greatest. He
wasn't this, he wasn't that. And to me, Mike's legacy,
Mike will still be great regardless. If he had Pip,
he would be great, but like you said, he lessens,
he lessened to burden. But then there's no titles without Pip.
And when we talk about legacy, we talk about winning championships.

(32:51):
So so Mike is a great player, there's no knock
on that. Obviously the greatest of all time. But when
we talk about legacy, and man Mike said in his
own words, like there's no Mike without Pip, you know
what I mean. So I'm glad that people are finally
getting to see how important Pip was because like I said, us,
you know, we're at our forties now we know how
motherfucking important, how good Pip was. Yeah, man, but but

(33:13):
you can't listen to skill. See, that's why I sunk
with y'all man, skiving them, be trying to get headlines man,
and just say that wold ship. That's why I'm shann
to be on a skilled skilled skilled still skill kill
skill hilp Ye all day. That's all he saying all day.

(33:38):
I mean, I mean counting how many times he said
philp Si that's all he saved. Bro. You can't listen
to them. I don't listen to them. I listening to
y'all man, because you know y'all play the y'all know
I appreciate that. Thank pivot them back to uh sports
though I know sports probably started in your childhood. Can
you talk to us about that? And man, you know

(33:58):
what Texas man, it was everything man, like playing football
was was was was out there like we didn't have
no basketball team coming up, like and I just see
then I see some football clubs. Man. You know football
is my first sports. I played football. That was my ship. Yeah,
so you under you understand that man in football in

(34:19):
Texas was everything. So like you know, like I remember
like being a sophomore getting on the varsity team and
I was big back then, you know, to be a
sohom And I remember finally getting on the team, and
I had worked all some of My father was a coach.
He coaches another at another school in Lincoln High School.
But I worked on someone and I didn't get kicked
Dallas Lincoln, baby, you know what I'm saying. So I

(34:41):
didn't get picked up, and I was in terrible and
then finally like somebody couldn't play, Like one of the
quarterbacks didn't play. We ran a three quarterback thing. The
coach came out there and uh, while I was in
my uh like we was having two days just I
got a start. So whenever I could believe, it was
like the cons of the kids. And then they got

(35:01):
on bossing. And then I walked in, dog, and it
was it taught me about just being able to be
on another level, like to really stripe. And I walked
in and they had carpet on the floor. Dog, you know,
like I was like, damn, they got carpet on the floor.
So I walked in. I'm looking at the carpet and
all of a sudden, Dog, I just passed out, passed
if I out. And the reason I passed out because

(35:24):
one of the guys on the team, Keith, Keith Henderson,
who was like a blue Chip, had hit me in
the solar plex, knocked me out. He said, what the
funk up? So what then you doing? You got them
shoes on the carpet and Chip, I was like what.
And then all the seniors you know, was hazing me
and Ship like that, and and it was just like
a feeling that you couldn't imagine. Bro, They hazed me
and Ship. But then when I got out there on

(35:44):
the team and being fifteen, Bro, I ended up starting
on the team, got a got a super super interception
on a on a scrimmage. You had to go scrimmage McKinney,
McKinney lines, and uh, the one thing I knew. I
knew all my plays and Ship, but they had marsh
all the way down the field. They ran a little bootleg,

(36:06):
got stepped in front of got the interception. Bro. My
whole life change. And when people talk about I called
to motherfucking interception Bro. And I went from being a
sophomore to Eric Bischer. You know what I'm saying, and
and it was like I still people asked me, how big,
What's the biggest moment of my life? And that was
the biggest moment, getting that intercession and proven to these

(36:26):
motherfucker's that I could do it. And then from then on, man,
I became a quarterback my junior year. Then I went
to pass for over a thousand yards uh my my
senior year with one intersection. But you know it was crazy.
He was Jamis Winston before Jameis Winston. Yeah, it was.
It was kind of bad because I was a stat stuffer.

(36:47):
I held us. I had a newspaper status in my
in my pocket. I'm looking. I mean, I need nine
more yards I need to get. But yeah, remember sponsors everything.
And then I went to U. I went to State.
In the high jump, I was five seven or five eight,
but I was jumped the six six. And then you
played some hoop too, right, yeah, but that was later, man,
Like our hoop team was terrible, you know, like you know,

(37:08):
like how you go to basketball gyms and they got
the banners the championships. I banner said, welcome, that's it,
that's it. But you know, WEAKEL had all the basketball bats.
We had the basketball players. Yeah. We we played against
Dallas linking a lot in the state championship, but put

(37:29):
out the leak in the Dallas leak. We both got
a lot of stapship championships. Yeah, man, And poured author
with that track, Motherfucker's to fly. They don't know Jack
right there, the voice is running from the cops. Got
him on the track. Good. That's all good. The best
way to get fast steal something. Yeah. Did you were

(37:53):
in the band back then too? Right? Man? That wasn't
all kinds of bands. Me and my boy had a
band called ex Caliber Dog. We was you know, I
was trying to get on ex Calibu. So some like
cassette tape days. Man, you know, uh but I remember
we was like at a you know, the little talent
shows the ship at the school. Man. I had my

(38:14):
curl and ship. You said question because said this ship
was dry? Was your curl wet or dry? My ship
was dried off? Why I didn't? I didn't use the
stay sofer. I used some ship called Hollywood curl. So
it was like it was like a cream. You put
the mouth again there and then you know it stayed dry.
So when girls see me. I used to tell him
I was Dominican, was real. Man, Go man, go man,

(38:37):
got stares rying, you know what I'm saying. They had
to keep your ship dry. The ship too wet. It's
like at the Hollywood Current. We had a curl that
could have been on the side of one of their boxes.
You had a real curl back then that like I
want number seven. Let me tell you, nigga, let me
tell you something better than that. I had the picture
of them niggas ready for the World, and I took

(38:57):
it into the shop of the shop. I said, I
need this, right girl, dog, I need Melvin Riley. I
need Melvin Riley from Ready for the World. So they
put the ship and my ship. I had a h
It was low on the front, long in the back
of ship like Nelvin Raley. It looked like a Z
twenty eight because I had the lower and long. So nigga,

(39:21):
so ready for the world, come to Reunion Arena. I
got tickets dog row six, and I swear to God,
I swear to guy. When Melvin Riley came out, he
looked at me and said, but I did like this,
I said, and you see this, you know what I'm saying,
curl swing and sitting looking good all the way. And

(39:45):
then when I finally got it, and how well it
was crazy is man? I finally get on and Melvin
Riley came to my house. I said, motherfucker, I said, yeah,
that's how That's how great God is. Man. It's like
I ended up getting on and then having him at
the crib. I said, man, you don't remember me, Like, no,
remember I had your curling rows six all that. But

(40:09):
you know what the music was everything, man, music. I
was always just trying to get into the music, you know,
playing writing songs and ship and you know, singing line
of Richie songs back in the day, you know, to
the girls, hello, all them ships. You know. I was
just mimicking everything. And then now it's crazy, how now
these people like in my cell phone you know what
I'm saying. It's like it's like blessings, like you can't believe.

(40:29):
So you went to college to study music performing arts? Um,
when did you get into the stand up? Stand up comedy?
Get When I got to San Diego doing music, I
was in a college like International college. It was eighty
one different countries in mine that were representing my school.
So I would do the music in San Diego, but
I would drive up to l A do the common clubs.

(40:54):
Or I would do Lahorea the comedy store down in Lahorea.
And I was only eighteen, so I couldn't get in
the club, so they would make me wait outside the club.
You know what I'm saying. Then bring me in, let
me do my stand up. So I was constantly like,
you know, since I was clowning, since I was a kid,
you know, I was constantly working on my uh you know,
working on the craft. And I got there earlier, and

(41:17):
that was the big thing. Was like using the college
as a sort of like a landing pad. But since
l A was only you know, ship an hour and
a half away, I would come up here and get
it popping. And then my my uncle was assistant chief
of police of a school districts and Mel Brown he said,
he said, I know you uh, I know you're saying

(41:39):
and stuff. I said, yeah, he said, you come on
over here, and I don't want you to uh meet
Harvey Food Quap. I sew who that? He said, that's
Marvin Gaye man. So I'm like I'm thinking, no, no, no,
gout that Marvin Gay Man ship out here. Man, I'm drunk.
So he gave me an address and then he's a
joking motherfucker. So I'm thinking that's a fake address. But
I get there. It's in Brentwood. And when I look

(41:59):
on the um on the mailbox and says Dorothy Gay
and Freeman and knocking knock on the door, and Harvey
Football comes to George, this big black dude. He said,
you wanted to sing? I said yeah. He said, come
on end. So when I went in the apartment, I
looked to the left and it was these reel the
reels and keyboards and ship and he said you see that?
Said yeah, he said, that's Marvin Gaye's keyboards, the last
thing he played before he died. And bro I sat

(42:21):
down and started playing, and the dude was like, yo, man,
you got it. And so I started like singing and
ship like that, and he started having me come to
the crib and and I was trying to get on.
At one point it got a little weird because you
were having me singing Marvin gay songs all the time,
having people come over. Uh, And I was like, yo, man,
I know you're missing Marvin and stuff, but I want
to I want to get my own thing, he said.

(42:41):
I apologize, man, he said, you know, we had just
lost him a too long ago. So cool. So I
basically became like his uh his, like his assistant, like
filing stuff for so like I just you know, just
stay around the house and bro. This is a crazy story.
At one point, I was following these cassette tapes, right
and I picked up one cassette tape to seeing what
was on it, and I pressed play and it was

(43:04):
it was the original of sexual and I'm like, damn,
they gets four o'clock in the morning. I'm like, I
could take this ship and get some money for this ship.
And that I went walk, I went. I went and
woke him up. I said, man, you gotta tell me
about this. He said, yeah, man, I got a lot
of them Ben Saince he was working on. I said,
tell me about that night, man. He said, this is

(43:25):
what it was. Marvin was in the studio. It's like
four o'clock in the morning, and I'm like, Marvin, man,
let's go. Man, it's late, you know. And he had
connected all these little, uh these tape machines together working
on this track, and he said, yeah, I know it's late,
he says, but where's Marylyn? He said, Man, Marylyn sleep
right here on the couch. Man, let's go, and he goes,
get up, man, Wake up Mary, Get up, man, he said.

(43:50):
Then I got it. Run the tape back, bump, get up, bro.
That's that's how crazy is that? So that's I I
called myself to Black Forest gun Bro, because I've just
been like in every nook and cranny of his business.
And then you know, Ship worked out talked us little bit.
How you landed that in Living Color role? I had

(44:12):
got on this one TV show called Rock, but for
some reason they fired They fired me, and some ship
went down on going down. But I got fired and
I shot the pilot and I told everybody in tarrell
it I was gonna be on the pilot. And when
the pilot came out, you know I wasn't on that
said my grandmother thought I was like here doing drugs
and some ship. I was like, damn, I gotta get
to ship, right, And so then the show and Living

(44:33):
Color was looking for other comedians and I went in
and put it like the cattle call. So went from
a hundred to fifty to five to ten down to five,
So it was me and for the cash, right, and
to be honest, during the audition part, I was blowing
that ship. I wasn't doing good. But then Keenan said, look,
I want to see y'all do stand up and I

(44:55):
was like, oh, Ship, and the other four people didn't
do stand up comedy even though so they had to
this when the laugh Factor we first started. So I
go down to the laugh Factory. But I was late
on purpose because I wanted to go last. So when
I go up, you know, like in the hood, Like
in the hood, you always play your music, because that's
where I came from, like robbing Harris because so I
told him. You know, I was like, I got my

(45:15):
music and Ship I had a queued up. But the
laugh Factor is more like the white place. So I said,
play the music. They didn't play the music. I was like, oh, Ship.
So I went up there and just started freestyling some
Ship and in the audience was Keenan and Jim Carrey
and the Flag Girls. But I did this one joke, bro,
and it was about uh. I said, black and white people,
black and white men. Uh uh. The only difference is

(45:38):
the heartbeat because the average the average black man. The
average white man's heart beats like this, right, while the
average black man's heart beats like this. They're going crazy
going then, I said, ladies, I said, ladies, I said, ladies.

(45:59):
That's why when you made can love. I'm not saying
who's better, but who would you rather make love to?
Somebody like this or would you rather make love to
an ovation? Bro? I saw Keena, everybody going crazy man,
the Flag Girls and Boom. I was on the show
where did you get the motivation for some of the characters?

(46:20):
You you know, made your career off of Wanda? Oh Man, Man, listen,
you know what Wanda came from. Just you know how
motherfucker run on time. I grew up girl, So so
you know, you take all them girls that you grew

(46:40):
up with that type of ship and you bring them up. Man.
You know how Texas is man and all where about being?
But that came on one night I had ran out
of material and I just said, hey, all the pretty
girls makes you know, pretty girls clapping? I said, now
all the ugly girls, let me hear you say something.
And it was complete size. I said, man, look at
all the up girl was talking about talking about it

(47:03):
started like that, I did that character after audition. So
when Keenan said, hey, man, do that motherfucking other girl
that you do? Uh for one of the for one
of the shows. So he reached in his bag bro
found his blond as wig and it was like, I'll
rock your world and that. Yeah, but that but I

(47:24):
needed that because if you think about it, living coloring
all those characters that were doing at the time, you
needed to get a character. It's not that was gonna fire, yeah,
because you know, it's just like it's like any basketball team,
you was gonna get cut. So that character took off, man,
and then like it took off, and I loved it.
But then I had to shed that ship because like

(47:44):
you know, motherfucker's was, you know, like the girls ship.
And he was coming up to me in clubs and
you only give you the bit. I said, hold on,
I remember, I remember this crazy I remember Johnny Gil
Johnny Guild. Johnny Gil said some one time to go.
He said, hey, hey, my my mind, n hold on.

(48:07):
So so I didn't want to get stuck in the motherfucker.
So you know, I just had to keep coming to
other characters so I could keep hitting my different ships.
So you know, they say, I don't just do her,
I do all these How instrumental was Keenan every way
is not only in for a living color, but launching
and giving guys like yourself, Jim Carey, I mean, David

(48:27):
Allen Greer, Tommy Davidson that platform to go on you.
If you think about that cast, I'm sure you've done it.
But all you guys went on to long, successful longevity
and whatever profession and you know, whatever reil we wanted
to do. Compared to that coach, that was really hard on.
I remem m Keenan saying listen, you gotta prove yourself.
Maybe I don't think it was funny as everybody else,

(48:48):
but at the same time, what he did was when
you walk on the set, bro, it was all black people,
black writers, black people working. I said, damn mind the
right spot. It was all black. But he held that
ship here all of you you had to be absolutely
air tight. But what it was, man, he had his
finger on the culture. Bro. He knew the music. He

(49:11):
had to fly girls. But every time we went out
to do some jokes like, we would come to keen
and said, yo, man, we don't think the writers is
writing funny And I said, yes they are, y'all. Motherfucker's
just saying trying. And he would take whatever that was written.
He would look through that ship. He said, go try this,
and the next thing, you know, bro, we would have
talked of the town on that Monday morning. So it's
like he was he was constantly like he would constantly

(49:34):
put us in competition with each other. You know, Tommy
Davidson killing that ship. Uh, David Evan Rear killing that ship.
Everybody was killing and what he did was he made
it sexy. It was like everybody came to the show.
J Loo was on the show. I remember seeing j Lo.
The first time I saw j Loo, I said, hey, man,
I'm not hitting on you. You're the most beautiful person
in the world. I said, I got a girl. I said,

(49:56):
but congratulations and she was like she was chilling that ship.
And so we became friends. And then, like if you
think about it, back at the time, every hip hop
star he was seeing the future. All the hip hop
is coming to a living color. Yeah, man, you have Uh.
Teddy Riley was in Dots Affect everybody. So he taught

(50:18):
you how to be fly with your ship like you
could be funny but at the same time be super fly.
Oh that was you know what I'm saying. So to
this day, we're still rocket Man and and and those
guys are still doing their thing. And uh, it's because
of those early lessons. Keenan never ran because I don't.
I don't think we hear him mention enough to you know,

(50:40):
to to that man he gave to the game. He
he put, he put all that ship together, and he
had a motherfucker nervous dog. Look, we're supposed to be
there at ten. I got there nine fifty nine. Pulled
me out to meeting. While you're late, I said, it's
nights nine, No nine, No, we started working in a ten.
So you gotta give me an answer. I said, like, like,

(51:01):
like what, you better figure it out. You can standing
out here to figure it out. I'm not talking a
damn Maybe I got a principle, like what the fund?
And so I would just sleep on the set so
I wouldn't be late, because you know, I'll come out
the club. And I come out of the club, I
was AI and be talking about practice, and I'm talking
about I was supposed to be franchise player. So I

(51:21):
was just go straight to the set and then just
wake up. I'll be on time the Jamie Foxx show,
something I watch, you know Fancy Braxton. You know Mama
talked to us how that came about and how you
end upetting that off the ground. To be honest with you, Bro,
I had ran out of money. Uh, and Living Color
was over. I remember, you know, l A tough on
you too. Right after the Living Color was I was riding.

(51:43):
I had this little BMW with the top there, and
I'm riding down the street like on sunset or something,
and Uh, I hear somebody say that ship over, motherfucker.
I was, damn that over, motherfucker's I said, got there.
It was bad, and I remember like Chris Tucker was

(52:03):
coming up. I remember Chris Tucker was coming young. I
was like, god, damn you hit. And I remember this
girl ran up to me. She said, oh my god.
I'm like, what's up? She said, do you know where
Chris Tucker is? I said, oh the fuck. So I
had moved to Vegas, bro, because I ran out of money.
And then uh, this this this this network called the
w b UH was starting their network, and so I

(52:26):
went in and met with them and said, I got
this idea and people probably have to google this, but
there was this uh English television show called Fawlty Towers
with John Kleaves and it was like the Benny Hill
and all the type of yeah, all of all of them.
So I saw that hotel show. I said, hey, man,
I want to do a show like that where I I,

(52:48):
my my, my, my, my aunt and aunt were in
the hotel and I come to work there. And by
having the hotel we can have different people fall through then,
you know what I'm saying. And so they was like, okay, cool,
we dig it. We're just trying to get going. So
they gave me the opportunity, and bro, I remember the upfront.
You know you gotta go to the upfront to announce
your show. Bro, I didn't even have a limo. It

(53:11):
was like I went to getting the limo and some
ladies slapt my hand. That's not for you, that's for
uh Savannah and some of the shold man limo and
they put me in a van. I'm like, oh, bring
it up. You know that plain white panel van. I said,
damn nigg So finally the show come out, though bro
it did sign Feld numbers. It did like like she's

(53:32):
like the fourteen or something like that. And then it
just caught, you know, and then uh, fancy fancy came
from the r. Kelly video grassing of course, Garrett Morris
and all them, and you do you don't know when
you're doing it, bro, but it just it just all
came together and it became like this thing that people,
you know, people gravitated to them and and it was

(53:53):
it was on absolutely I loved that ship that was
dough ninety six. Gary McGuire movie comes out. You went
out for tid Well, Uh they end up giving up
the Cuba goodon Junior? How bad did you want that role?
Because I was the dope movie. Bro. It was. It
was crazy because you know, the dude saw me read
for it and says he's gonna love it. I said,

(54:13):
who tc, Tom Cruise gonna love it? I said, what? So, Bro,
I ended up reading with Tom Cruise. It flew me
to New York, you know, but you know I wasn't
used to seeing a big stars and ship, you know,
So in the reading, Bro, I'm reading the ship and
you know, I'm I'm from TV shows, reading kind of
loud and then I was like, yeah, show me the money,

(54:34):
you know what I mean, looking at Tom Cruise like yeah,
show me, you know what I mean? And Tom here
was you know here movie actor. So his voice was soft,
he said, so I couldn't hear him. So I thought
he had lost his place. I said, uh we right
here says I know, I've already said my life. I'm
waiting on you, and you know, mother got nervous and
ship started sweating. I blew it. And after I blew it,

(54:56):
I was like, damn no, I blew this ship. The
the producer was mad at me, and then uh, Cuba
Gooding got it right. But then when Collateral came up.
When Collateral came up, Tom Cruise remembered that him and
Michael Man and boom he liked to read and boom

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and so you know what ended up being limits turning
out being eliminated because we did Collateral and we actually
get nominated for Collateral. So you know, just just hanging
in there, man, you know, making that shift pop. I
was like, man, I can't. I can't missing free throws
like that because I'm Mr free throws out. I missed
that any giving Sunday, Yeah, how did that role. Come

(55:37):
about that start that start your sophomore year when you
got punched in the Solar PLEXI he was traded to
be a really baby and then I didn't even know man,
but it was crazy. It was crazy because Oliver Stone
directed it and basically Puffy was supposed to play the part.
But Puffy was you know, he was dealing with big
businesses and everything like that. So, uh, Oliver Stone at

(55:58):
one point when I came in to read again in
you know, he said I was horrible, Bro, because I
was like reading loud, and she says, fuck, is you
reads so loud? You this television ship is sucking me up.
So what I did was, Bro, I had just got
that ninety seven coop, that Mercedes, I got a cam
qorter bro, put on my football gear, took all my
homies gut and just started like like I was in

(56:18):
a like I was in training camp, Bro. And while
we was doing the training camp ship, I came up
with a song. My name was Wally with money. I
keep the ladies creaming and all the fast you gotta
scream and think you can't be feak me, You're dreaming.
So we made this song up and Bro, I showed
him the tape. That's who the funk I'm looking for
right now, That's who I want. So we started in

(56:40):
and give him Sunday Bro, and we're shooting that ship
in Miami. I need to get paid. All the money
that I got, Bro, I spent it in Miami. I
was just the first time Nika absolute z bro said
the dog I had a ball. Nikka was in Miami
with mess shirts and and Farrari's and ship. I was

(57:01):
fucking I was on allay man and then you think
about everybody that's in it. Alfaccino, uh Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor,
uh L, Dennis Quay, Me and ll was fighting. That
ship was real. Ain't never yet count us about that
because I heard you touched on that. I heard there
was some real ship going on with that was his

(57:26):
feeling on that, Yo. What what what happened was is
that for some reason, like he he kept slapping me,
he thought I think he thought it was a little
bit real in the in the movie, like Nigga, we're
not really on the fucking team, like we really don't
have to get to practice, like we're going to say action.

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But you know it was. But I think That's what
made the movie real because we was like really competitive,
but we were doing the scene and the motherfucker put
the motherfucker pushed me in the scene, bro, and I
swear to god, I landed and somebody else to set.
I went back so far, I said, what the fund?
And so then he got testy, man, and we got
to scrap it on whatever like that. You know, but

(58:10):
you know Green, you know I won't get the whole
another set. I woke up in Jerry mcgrin said, why
does this thing? Has Niver pushed me like this? Man?
You know this ain't a real movie. But you know,
we worked the ship that week. Were cool now but
at the time and sort of goofy, but if fueled
the scene because when we was doing them scenes and
Willie Beamon was going through a ship, that ship was

(58:32):
real man, because it's like, you know, you know how
this is man. You get competitive, you know, you get
really competitive, and girls on the set, and you know
I was. I was so wild. Every time every time
I showed up to the set, I had a Hummer,
had a different car every time. You know, I was
playing the whole role. Had the girls in the car
and ship showing up to the set, so I was
I was out in my mind, bro. But it as

(58:54):
far as just the acting goes, like that speech. Everybody
remember the Alpaccino speech, right, Here's the fun fact. Alpaccino
was having a tough time with that speech because he
ain't never been around football. That's that's where I I
knew football. So when he was he was trying to
get that speech off, I said, hey, I said, out,
when you talking to these players, they want your players,

(59:17):
they're your family. I said, a lot of these players
come from the hood. They only father is you, So
you gotta talk some like it's your father. Man. That
motherfucker turned up on you. Motherfucker turning in your fighting motherfucker,
I said, job, he was, how was the football sayings?

(59:44):
That I know? They had to be dope to shoot?
How was the football sayings? I wanted to do all
of my stunts right, So we would shoot all night,
but they would shoot the football scenes during the day.
So I would go sleep for like two or three
hours and then go to the B team and then shoot,
put the mic on when when the director wasn't there,
and shoot my own football scenes. Because I didn't want nobody.
I all wanted it to be me. By doing that,

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I got the lion share of the park because the
way all of the Stone wrote the movie is that
he wrote it for everybody's narrative. But since I would
go to boast man, I was working like eighteen hours
a day, bro, But I wanted to get their football right.
And they didn't know that I could really throw that thing,
because I could throw the thing about fifty sixty yards
in the air. So I was there and are getting
man and if it felt good, and it's like all

(01:00:27):
that ship that we had in Texas, it all came
into play. Even when it came into I said, hey,
because sometimes they want to do a movie ship like
I want you to drop back and didn't do a spin.
I said, they don't do that in the NFL. Back
you got a certain amount of time we got to
get the ship off. And so by having that background,
it made it look authentic, you know what I'm saying.
And then but the one thing I did do, though
I took a hit there was like you wanna take

(01:00:49):
a mother don't given motherfucking Texas. Don't hit me. They
don't get I don't know, motherfucking after nick, I'm I'm
a real athlete, man, just a little motherfucker's safe came
through my motherfucking nigga this part of my helmet, and
I said, hey man, anybody else hitting me, they're gonna
get fired. Don't how motherfucker putting my ship back here,

(01:01:13):
so you know, And it was crazy because t O
was done their mother and t O was a beast.
They told TiO said line because you know it was
it was pro football players against the arena league guy.
So To was lining up all the dvs and said
they could guard him. He was killing them. And at
one point they ran up the running reverse for t

(01:01:36):
O and he ran off the set his mother's and
the motherfucker dude with the camera said you think you
can can you can keep up with him? I got him,
like I just turned look out, I got it. Motherfucker
took off the mother's running cooled, both his hands blew
out on the tires of the fo. We don't have

(01:01:57):
to hear you slow down, t say, s I better.
You've played some amazing supporting roles leading up to obviously
where you were the main star. You know. Obviously any
given Sunday he played alongside Will Smith and Ali Tom
Cruise in Collateral. Looking back on that, what does that
mean to you? And what resonates the most about all that?

(01:02:18):
I always give props to to Uh, to Will Smith.
He wanted me to play Bundeini Brown and Ali Muhammad.
Ali is a property. How are you gonna be? God? Shuck?
Shouldn't you come out to the garage? But number two?
But I wouldn't have had the opportunity had he not
told the director, Yo, I'm rocking with Fox, or I
don't do the film, And so yeah, it's been and

(01:02:39):
you know they don't happen in Hollywood, man, you know
they don't happen in our business. So my main thing
was that being those characters, alongside those guys. I wanted
to be that Scottie Pipple. I wanted to be that
person because I knew that that if Will Smith is
doing Ali, especially with the Ali, because it was so
important and Will was such a big star and it's

(01:02:59):
a a big star. Um. I was there to make
sure that he didn't have to worry about what I
was doing. This part of the movie is gonna be
solid and you don't realize it, but you're hanging another
character in the rafters. That's sort of like if we're
referring to Basketball, all of my characters when I look
at him, Man, if it's Wander or Willie Beamon, Bun,

(01:03:21):
Bundy Brown or all these characters, I hang them up.
So whenever you get a chance to do the character
on that type of level, Um, I want to be
able to look back at my career and say, man,
I turned into all these different people and sold it.
You know what I'm saying. Like you know what I'm saying.
So it's like I take that and and now to

(01:03:42):
this day, man, and in our business, you know, as
much as you put into it, you can continue to
work and continue to find shi. So I feel like
I'm just still just getting started. It's party two too
late to started acting career. Man, it ain't never too late. Man,
Come on, man, jack what you wanna do? Man? The
movie Steven Jackson, I'll make love to pressure. There you go.

(01:04:04):
We're gonna have a segment for that at the end.
So yeah, hold on, we're gonna get to that. Definitely.
I love hearing that. To me, It's it's hard to
embody when you're playing a public figure or another famous figure.
You were able to do it obviously with Ray Charles.
You mentioned you're working on the Mike Tyson movie as well.
Can you tell us a little bit more about that? Yeah, man, uh,
you know I've been looking. When I went on stage

(01:04:25):
in the Hood Comedy Act theater, right, I started killing, killing,
killing as a young, young, young comedian. Right. But one
particular night, I'm on stage and I get to my
Mike Tyson joke because that's my best joke. Everybody go
crazy on that joke. And I get to that joke
and I do it and nobody laughed. You know why,

(01:04:45):
because Mike Tyson's in the audience. Nigga's out here. The
niggas said it was black. It was something in the
back stage, Joe, Mike is here here. I said, oh Ship,
And then you know, everybody was like you my frightful
And then a little black a little black girl was
in the front. What you're gonna do, Jamie, You're scared,
You're gonna do your jokes and like this, shut up up.

(01:05:06):
This is where Mike was knocking. Mom fucker's out for
just smiling and Ship. So I was like damn. So
then the dude, you know that said your. Mike said,
do the joke and that ship better be funny. Crowd
went from looking at Mike and then looked at me.
So I do the joke, Mike Tyson, Kentucky Fried Chicken,
whatever the joke was, right, I think I did the joke.

(01:05:28):
The joke was Mike Mike Tyson driving No, it was
me driving up to Kentucky Fried Chicken. And I said
I couldn't see, but I heard, and I thought Michael.
I thought Mike Tyson was. I was working at Kentucky
Fried Chicken because I heard Hi, Chicken, take your orders
and this. I was like, oh ship, so standing ovation

(01:05:49):
And after that, Mike comes up to me and says, Verry,
it's the crazy motherfucking just punched me in the chairs.
Like I'm okay man. So I started hanging out with
Mike and Bro. He was bigger than the world. He
was bigger in all the My to do had a
Lamborghini truck. We'll be at the club. He see a girl,
his be like, hey, you like BMW, you like card,

(01:06:09):
you like Bess? And I mean, like what And he
would go to BMW shot just buy one. I've watched
Mike his whole career. And then I watched The Good,
the Great, the Bad, and the Ugly and now this Mike,
And so I said, Mike, you have to let me
embody you. You have to let me tell your story.
And so now Martin Scorsese, who hasn't done a boxing

(01:06:32):
movie since Raging Bull, has agreed to take on the helm.
And when we were talking about the movie, I said,
what's interesting about Mike. It's not the ring now, it's
the mic that we see now. It's the mic that
when he lost it all. When I called Mike one time,
I said, Mike, how you doing it? And it's this
voice all crases to allow my brother to attack. So

(01:06:55):
why are you happy? I'm happy. I don't have any
money anymore. I don't have the money. Said why do
you said that? Why why does it make that? It
because no one could take anything from anymore vultures. Nobody
has to try and take taking from me. So I'm
just happy. I said, that's the person. We gotta show,
the person who lived the life. And he'll tell you
I either live on top of the mountain on the
bottom of the ocean. I said, when we embody that,

(01:07:18):
I said that Mike when I play you, I'm gonna
I'm gonna embody you so well that when I walk
into your house, your kids will run up and say,
Dad's hard. So it's it's gonna be one of those ones.
And I'm I'm telling you, and it's it's and you
remember the I don't want to give too much of

(01:07:38):
the way, but a lot of it. We bounced back
and forth to the documentary of him being in the documentary.
So when I strapped that one on, that's gonna be
When should we expect that in theaters if theaters come back. Yeah, Well,
you know the thing is now, by having this lapse,
it gives us a little bit of time to like

(01:07:59):
correct some things we want on the script, so so
we you don't be being able to touch all the basis.
But you're looking at two thousand twenty one, the beginning
of it, shooting it, and then possibly at the end
of the year unveiling. So um, look, man, I think
Mike's come on, man, that that era in that time,

(01:08:19):
his unprecedented president. Let's talk a little. You touched on
Ray Charles earlier, but being able to embody him the
way you did, what kind of historical significance does that
mean to you? Because he was so important to our
culture as a whole, and for you to be able
to embody that, how important was that to you? I
think it was super important because we don't always get

(01:08:43):
a chance to tell our legend stories, and so that
was the first time we got a chance to see
a legend and all of his glory, his good, he's bad,
and his ugly and at the same time present the
music in a way to where the whole world was affected.
I mean. And the backstory of is that it was
an independent film, so we had to We got a

(01:09:08):
little bit of the money from Phil and Shoes who
you know on the stapleson, but we had to prove
to him that it was uh, it was worth it.
So at one point we created the Singer Theater in
nineteen sixty seven and we did let the Good Times Roll.
It wasn't in the movie, but we had to do
it for the investors to let them see it. So

(01:09:29):
we had a thirty piece orchestra. The investors walk in,
the director says hit it, and we go boom, Hey,
y'all tell everybody great Charles in town. Boom got a
dot on the card up and I'm just ready of
the clown. Don't let nobody playing your cheek. I got
thicker bits fall and our planning a kid for let
it get to our role spent bad. I'm all s

(01:09:54):
s bad. Just get yourself to let the good time go.
I go up to man Steve Steve. Then I go
up to the to the to the investor and said,
I understand the big pocket the money is, so we

(01:10:20):
get so we get the money. I had to set
up and then once we do the movie, man, think
about how the movie moved the culture after the moa uh,
Kanye West, Kanye West, after the movie Kanye West. I
mean because like going back to the parties that I
was thrown. The way I met Kanye was at the
party Brian, Brian. That's that's why people looking at Brian

(01:10:42):
dance and he just don't dance. Someone pushed it together.
The motherfucker brought He brought this that same party that
I was telling you about the jay z and everything.
The next party, Brian says, I got this dude named
Kanye West. I said, what's a Kanye West? He said, listen,
I'm telling some motherfucker cole. So when Kanye came over.
I said, I said, Brian, what do you do? He said,

(01:11:03):
he rapped? He produced. I said, okay. So I walked
up to Kanye and said, hey, man, you know when
people come to my house, man, they gotta perform. Man.
They said, you're wrapped. This motherfucker freestyle some ship man Steve.
I said that. God damn, how come you ain't famous?
He says, I'm trying to get on and he goes, uh,
I got this song that that I think you'll be
good on. Yuh, I think you'd be good on the song.

(01:11:26):
And so well, what is it? I got a studio
on the back. So we go on the back of
my studio and the motherfucker said the song go. She
says she wants some marvn game, some Luther vange Yaw.
I said, oh, ship, I said, I got it. So
I started singing. I started singing the ship all high
and said he said, and this one I knew Kanye
was boss. He said, uh, what you're doing? I said,
when I'm trying to put the rmb ship on, because

(01:11:46):
you know what I'm sing RMBC, I'm putting the R
and B. Don't do that just singing this ship record.
So when he said that, I thought like, oh, you know,
Stone ain't gonna make it. The next thing, you know,
Brion was like, remember that song you said you want
to make. It's a number one in the country. Fast forward,
fast forward, it's number one in the country. And then
Ray Charles comes out. Brian hit me again said wake

(01:12:08):
your grass up, with your gass up, with your ass up.
He said everything three times. He said, get down here. Uh,
Kanye gotta missile. And this is after Ray Charles that
came out. So I get to the studio and Brian said,
just follow my leave whatever you do, follow my lady.
So we're going there and Kanye is playing the track
to gold Digging Thum, I ain't saying she gold digging well,

(01:12:31):
but she ain't miss I said, oh ship, Brian hit
stopped on the record and said that ship is whack
and let you put a fox on that. Mother and said, Brian,
what you doing? He said, mother, you know what I'm doing.
Just get in the studio. So I get in the booth,
bro and we take over the session and we keep
going over and over and I said, running back, running
back again, and I said, and then the next year,
you know, about an hour on the hand, she take

(01:12:53):
mama yea trend. Indeed, Oh she's Aliger where over black
Man two Facts, two thousand and six Grammy Awards. With
Grammy Awards, you get a chance to perform Georgia on

(01:13:15):
My Mind with Alicia Keys. Yeah, talk to us about
that at that point. Man, you know this is you know,
movies have a it's like an it opens up like
a flower. So that's when the flowers full bloom. Now
we get a chance to uh celebrate Ray Charles music

(01:13:36):
on the highest level with the incredibly talented Alicia Keys
Quincy Jones at the time was was a conductor, which
was beautiful. We had lost Ray Charles. Ray Charles had transitioned,
but he got a chance to view the movie in
his own way. And so here we are, you know,
dual pianos with me and Alicia, and it was just great. Man,

(01:13:59):
she's amazing, is in so super talented. And but there
was one situation where I felt like the song, I
felt like we were playing it, you know, straight, but
I felt like we needed to put a little sauce
on it because it's Alicia and it's myself. So it's
like Georga Arga, the whole d Angel. It's like the

(01:14:23):
old Freeze song Jorga all my mind right. And I said, Alicia,
why don't we take a page from Biggie when we
do the when we do the bridge boom boom boom
boom boom or the read child to Ming boom boom
boom boom boom boom. So we put a little thing
in there just to sort of not you know, to

(01:14:44):
the hip hop to the to the so yeah, and
then and I said that when we're doing it, boom
boom boom boom boom. And I told the baseline to
go do the do Doom Do Do Do Do Do
Do doom boom boom boom boom boom. So to be
able to not only be in that moment, but do
something a little special to to not two people out

(01:15:05):
there who's you know, the fans. Uh, It was dope, Man,
we gotta stand in ovation And it was just another
one of those things that you can hang up in
the in the in the raptors and man, another moment
beautiful following Ray Charles, that was such a big role.
Were you picking your next projects carefully? Like? What what
changed after Ray Charles? It was crazy. Man like Rachel

(01:15:29):
is such a big film and the Oscar and everything
like that. I had to let it. I had to
let the Oscar go because because my people was like, oh,
we only need to do Oscar things. That's no, no, no,
no no no. I want to go back to the
to the funny. I want to stay funny. Matter of fact,
I didn't even keep the Oscar with me because the
Oscar had some kind of crazy power with it. Bro,

(01:15:51):
I can't explain it. You touched that ship and you
start speaking in an English accent and ship you know
when I stopped it. Action it's small. I start take
the ship. So you see people to win them oscars
and ship. That's a curse, bro, I said, I don't
want that. I want to tell these jokes. I went
on the comedy too. After that, I was at Madison
Square Garden and at that time there was rumors that

(01:16:12):
me and Oprah were in some type of relationship, which
was funny. So I went on stage. I said, I'm
dating everybody. Man, but but but but we were cool,
and I did the joke. I said, they said I'm
dating everybody, and so I said, so I'm laying in
the bed with Oprah, I'll lean over the gale and said, hey, man,

(01:16:33):
this is crazy, right they step to give me some
juice right standing ovation And I said, if I think
the joke was, if I wasn't making love to open,
she'd have a brand new episode of her of her
favorite things. And I did the whole thing. Jamie, we
got something, Jamie ly Jeu two thousand twelve. Uh, Jango,

(01:16:59):
How did that come about? Yo? Two thousand twelve. I
had changed management and uh, literally like I heard about django?
Man through I heard about Jango from uh Tyler Perry,
m H. Saler. Perry was like, have you heard have
you heard about this Django? This Django movie says yes

(01:17:20):
with um with um Quentin Tarantino. I said, oh, that
sh sound crazy. So he was. He was talking about
it and then Will Smith and I was like, man, oh,
will you gotta do that ship? I said, motherfucker. He
was like, well, he didn't know if he wanted to

(01:17:40):
play a slave. I said, yea, yeah, you're not a slave.
He wrote though, but you know, so he passed and then, uh,
I've seen the motherfucker interest at Interest album. I was
at the show. I was doing the show. He came
back and said, yeah, you heard this ship smoovie smoothe
Janka until intein know what's you George movie? Quentin Tarantino

(01:18:07):
shopping up Jane Games. I was like, Yo, yo, good
looking black motherfucking ass. Better do that ship man. You know,
just what was that? What was that was that? To
his smooth league the un school game? You know what
do you think? I said, man, Yo, look at motherfucking ass.

(01:18:29):
You gotta do that ship man. But for whatever reason,
they all passed. And then I got a chance to
come in and meet Quentin Tarantino. And the thing was
is that you know, he never saw rain, you know,
so the way the way he saw Ray was that
he was looking for wardrobe lady and the wardrob lady
didn't race, so he watched it. Had me come in,
and I was already off script. I was already off

(01:18:50):
book again, being prepared man, being that sophomore in football,
being ready and uh. And I told him I know
about the word nigger and all that to stand what
that was back then, and it's necessary to tell the
story so they don't bother. I understand that. And then
I told him, I said, well, here's the thing though, Dog,
I got my own horse. And he said, shot your

(01:19:13):
own fucking horse. I said, I got my own horse.
What the fuck? I said, yeah, it's outside, bro, and
I said, not only that, but your stuck horse looked
just like my horse. We just gotta paint the feet,
just paint the paint the shoes white and we're good.
And so he was like, I've never in my entire
fucking life heard that somebody bringing the horse. I said,

(01:19:35):
I got my horse right uside, Bro, let's know what
we're doing. And boom. I got on the movie, bro,
that you know, and then we got into the movie. Man,
you know, it was it was volatile, but it was
a movie that for black and white folks. But it

(01:19:55):
was the first time you saw a black character really
be the hero. And was all Quentin Tarantino. He really
wanted that to happen. When Django came out, man, you know,
it was gang Busses and it was like, you know
it uh, you know, it moved the culture in a
different way. Yea. And people didn't understand the history of Django.

(01:20:18):
There have been jangos made years back. Django was a
character from Italy from the Spaghetti Westerns. That's how you
got Clint Eastwood. So when I did that, that version broke.
When I go to Italy or in any of these places,
I can't even walk the street because that was you know,
that was like a superhero. Yeah. So so it all
worked out. That's beautiful. What was it like working with

(01:20:40):
Leo to me, one of the most underrated actors of
our generation, What was it like being able to team
up with him on that? First of all, that that's
the homy man. A lot of people don't know, like
Leo is like a real, real dude, and you know,
you don't have to. I don't. I don't validate nobody
just because they entered the culture. But like Leo stood
in line for the big album back in the day,
his best friend is you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

(01:21:04):
that that's why. That's why in Wolf of Wall Street
when he popped, like, that's really him, that motherfucker, Like
he really on the ship. The motherfucker he does his
things if oh man all the way, and the cold
part about it was, you know, he knows the whole
all the scenario. Here we go, Yo, one day, I'm
gonna get that motherfucker to do that ship. But he's

(01:21:24):
a real dude. And when he came on to the
set when we first did the readthrough, he had problems
with the word niggado because he was saying and he said, oh, pala,
I can't I can't say this. I just can't do it,
and then sent Meel Jackson goes, hey, motherfucker, it's just
another Tuesday. I said that ship, I said, I don't like.

(01:21:49):
So he had to really wrap hisself into that character.
And at one point I said, I put him to
the sec that Leo, listen, I ain't your friend right now.
We're back in the day, and who was back in
the day. They would they would kill you hanging out
with me talking to me face and face. So you
gotta let that ship go. Man. The next day, that
motherfucker came into the set and I said, what's up, Leo, Yo,

(01:22:12):
what's up? What's up? Then speak to me when they
say action. Motherfucker went in his bag and that's one
of the cars. That's one of the coldest performances. You
take the performance out and and he talks about the performance.
I won't I won't say some of the private stuff
that he talked about. I won't say who it is,
but there was this black guy when he grew up

(01:22:33):
he used to hang out with and so he mimicked
that character for for for that movie. Man so powerful,
motherfucker man when he came on to the when him
and Samuel finally came on to the set, Man the
motherfucker's walking and slow motion with their baits and ship man,
real Hollywood stars, all stars, imagine an all star Samuel Leo.
I mean, the motherfucker was going at it. So that's

(01:22:55):
why that movie did what it did. Beautiful thing. Speak
us a little bit about how important social justice and
uh equality is to you in your life and and
you know the the role you played and bringing more
attention on the Traylon Martin situation. Well, I mean, look, man,
the one thing about social media what it has done
is pulled up the carpet. It lets us see something

(01:23:17):
that we've been something that we've known about for a
long time, the underground, the sincerity and the racism. Um.
Now it's wide open. Even if you look at today's world,
what's going on right now? What happened to I think
the mayor of Georgia just posted something that was you know,
these Uh, these terrible, terrible words that someone DM I live.

(01:23:41):
I live out here and in Georgia, and h they's
somebody somebody called us some names and she posted it
to put them on blast, but to let you know
that you know, that ain't gonna stop up from what
she's trying to do. Yeah, and so so now, like
I said, we've known about this for all our lives.
Now we're dealing with the face and face. So doing
movies like Just Mercy with Michael B. Jordan's, man, man,

(01:24:05):
it's so important. It's so important because thanks man, thank you.
And it's so important because you know, Michael B. Jordan's
what he's doing for the for the culture. Man, Like
when he did uh, you know, when did Fruitville Station,
you know, like he started laying that narrative down, and
even when he did Black Panther, he still had a
narrative for us that was, you know, highlighting us important

(01:24:27):
for us. So Just Mercy is just the evolution of that,
you know, doing a movie to where we put the
spotlight on a person who's wrongly accused of a rape
and put on death row without a trial. And when
we got into these roles, man, we knew we were
doing something special and important and because it sits home
with me. Man, you know my pops, he was a

(01:24:47):
coach at Lincoln High School. Man, they put my pops
in jail for twenty five dollars worth of the legal substance.
They put him in jail for seven years. Come on, man,
this dude was an educated for twenty five years in
the hood. He would have kids at the school seven
days a week just so they wouldn't get shot or
or give him something to eat. So here they take

(01:25:09):
this man who would bring the judge to the school,
who would talk to the kids. You know that very
judge presided over his case. Put him in jail with
some of the kids that you feel what I'm saying,
see is is it personal? And the thing is is
that I don't go visit nobody in jail. Bro, I
don't do that. I can't. I can't. And even when

(01:25:29):
my pops, I said, I told him, I can't see
you like them and I see you as a king,
I can't. I can't see you like that. So I
wrote in one letter, I said, when you get out,
I'm gonna save your life. And I fought. I fought
the people, I fought in people for years, and you
know they didn't understand that my pops Man was so
important to me. He will. He made me round it

(01:25:49):
like he showed me how to play tennis. I said,
why A were learning? Why A were learning what white
people do? He said, because I want you to be
able to go everywhere. So imagine me playing tennis with
my pops Man. You know in text I couldn't play
at the country club, but he was getting it in.
So when you get out, man, this is two thousand one.

(01:26:09):
He get out, I said, listen, I'm gonna save your life.
You come live with me. He right over there, right now.
We've been here for almost twenty years. Twenty years now
together man, so and and and so. It's it's important
that we keep that narrative, that we don't get exhausted.
That's what's great about Brian Stevenson, the the the lawyer
that Michael B. Jordan played. He doesn't get exhausted. He
keeps ringing the bell saying we have injustices and injustice

(01:26:34):
we're always rearest ugly head. And the most inopportune time
to look at it now with with we're dealing with
COVID and who's going to be the one who are
going to suffer the worst? We are because of the injustice,
because of the way we're structured in in society. We
don't have the health care. We don't even when it
comes to the money that they're giving out right now,

(01:26:55):
what a black business is gonna do when you see
everybody else sort of prospering to get money, how do
they get the money? So it's it's a whole lot
of things that we touch on just by doing the movie,
and we just have to keep it. We have to
keep it going. Our art is our way to crack
that code, is our way to open people's eyes. And
I think, you know, like we'll continue to do that.

(01:27:17):
Continuing to be great is the only way. Because we move,
we set culture, we move culture, we shift culture. We
are culture. So that's the only And I and I
appreciate you, Matt, Like sometimes I've heard you speak, man,
I heard you speak about a situation. I wanted to
go into it now, but I heard you speak about
a situation and where you said, no, we don't have
to live like that no more. We have our own voices.

(01:27:38):
And I thought, what you and Stephen do, man, Like
I don't even think y'all know, but it means so
much because you keep it real. But at the same time,
there's a level of intelligence and a level of I'm
black and I'm proud to it. That that that makes
us feel good about it, you know what I mean?
A lot of special What act our filmmaker should we

(01:28:00):
have on our show? Now, listen before you answer this question,
whoever you say, whoever the answer is, and you have
that connect which I'm sure you do. You got to
connect them. You know everybody? Yeah, you know everybody? So
who do you think should be a guest on our show?
You should have? Leo Man? Yeah, that there was a

(01:28:22):
Black Honors and he came out and gave me the award.
Man and I explained them to Leo. I said, Leo,
it's not that we're looking for validation, but when people
like yourself lend yourself, give your energy to us and said,
he's sports, said you gotta have him because he's sports. Said,

(01:28:43):
I guarantee you I'll work on him. Man, But he's
a he's a he's a dope. Mother. That's the same
way we feel about show. Bro. You don't know what
you're doing for our show. So hell yeah, and I
appreciate what we appreciate it. Man, Hell yeah, good call Jack,
who's an actor actress you haven't worked with yet that
you would like to m I want to work with

(01:29:03):
I want to work to D. Man. Like like back
to the party, I thought a party here, different kind
of party where I had we featured. D D came
to the party, he said, at the table, and he
just uh, he just broke it down like all the
actors and actress was in here and he was just
giving us the keys you know to you know, uh

(01:29:24):
to how to you know, make ship right? You know
in the business, you know, you know, you know how
you talk. You know, of course you gotta do anything,
you know, but boom, get that ship. But he was
breaking it down so incredible for us. I said, man,
I gotta work with him because I know when you
work with him, you're gonna elevate. All right, Okay, alright, okay, okay, yeah.

(01:29:49):
Because we had a we had a carry, we had
a U Mariachi band for him, he said. I said,
you know you've got a Mariachi ban for you. You
got a Maria alright, okay, got you. You got a
Mariachi all right, Uh okay, Hey, what's your favorite uh

(01:30:13):
what's your favorite TV series? Recent? Serious of all time? Samford?
This Sun man, I'm watching that. I watched that every day.
I'm sorry. I watched that ship, bro, like I was
watching that ship that when the motherfucker's the TV got
stolen and ship just just classic, man, that's my great
you mentioned early on in the nineties, everyone was around.

(01:30:35):
You were around everyone. Any cool, biggier pop stories, man, ship.
Tupacis just to be out. I remember one time he
was at the comedy store. I was looking at Pop
but we didn't we didn't look at him like Tupac.
It was like, you know, and somebody pulled a gun out, nigger.
Somebody pulled a gun out the comedy store and shot
that motherfucker. He was like ah, and so just running

(01:30:57):
down the street with Tupac, I mean back by this.
It was crazy. And then you know, we would see
him mountain and I remember that night, the night the
night he passed away. I remember him like it was
so crazy, man, like in the argument with these guys
and he was like pop, man, man, it ain't worth,
it ain't worth or whatever. And I was living in
Vegas at the time, and then that night, man, you know, unfortunately,

(01:31:22):
the whole world stopped man, and I remember walking into
the I remember walking into the MGM Graham and mc
hammer walked up to him and said, man, he gone,
this was early. He was like, stop man, cut the
bush and we just see him. So unfortunately, um, you
know that story, but just to be able to know too, funk.

(01:31:42):
I remember. I remember how he was so nice to
my mom. Like we were at the standing called the
Urban League, right, you know, some guys was tripping at him,
and he was like, but he turned around and saw
my mom was so gracious man, and he was like,
how you doing, sweetheart? You know that's so mannerable and
so cool. So I don't know, man, it's it's surreal
that he's gone, uh and things like that, but those

(01:32:06):
those just be the homie. Then he came and didn't
a living color. He came and didn't living color, and
when he came in, it was just like, you know,
you didn't realize that these were gonna be moments that
would last forever in time, to be very significant because
he wouldn't be here. But this happy, go lucky fun
and just uh just so sad, but at the same
time beautiful to be able to have those moments. What's

(01:32:30):
your favorite sports moment? Uh, Lebron James coming back three one,
that's big. That was big. That was that was big.
That moment. If you can sit courtside at any game
in NBA history, what game would it be? Oh, it

(01:32:50):
would be uh damn, it would be eighty Uh When
when was Magic Johnson? Huhm when he hit the hook?
Eighty seven? Yeah, eighty seven got him mighty beautiful. You

(01:33:12):
want to talk about beauty, poetry, emotion. Never, I'll never
forget that. And what's crazy was I was in college
and me in my roommate. You know, he was white
from like normal from Oklahoma, and you know we weren't tripping,
you know, we weren't tripping on the on the on
the teams because you know, I was a Maverick fan.

(01:33:34):
But at the same time, we just automatically started routing.
I said, he said, come on, come on. I was like,
come on, come on, Magic. Next thing, you know, we
got on Lakeer, Jersey whatever. And just just to see
that see that ship play out like that, Bro, that's
just amazing. I was course out that history um, your

(01:33:55):
favorite impersonation? Yeah, your favorite impersonation? Give us that character
real quick. Who's your favorite person to celebrities? Favorite celebrity
to to mimic? Uh? Ship, there's so many like I
know you do damn to everybody. It's got to be

(01:34:15):
my text right now. All right, So we had the
Beggest segment, right this is a part of the segment.
This is part of the segment. Well, you know, we
all we all fans of all the all our guests
and some things we want to ask for. So this
is my Matt. Are you involved today, Matt? No, I
just want to be on set alright. Cool. So bound
Matt is helping me launch my my my acting career

(01:34:38):
because he's gonna be behind the camera, you know what
I'm say, doing a lot of stuff. So so not
only do I want to be on set one of
your movies and kind of learn from you and kind
of see how you move around and how you do
how you get into character, but I also if you
have something going on, let your boy get a camera
or something. Got it, I got it already down that Listen.

(01:35:00):
We're gonna hold this other down, Jack, Listen, this is
what we're gonna do Jack, I got a new TV
show on Netflix. It's called Dad Stop Embarrassing, and it's
about me and it's about me and my oldest daughter
all the ship that we don't win through from the boys,
to the to the to the to the drinks, to everything.
So we just sold it. We shot just before we went. Now, Bro,

(01:35:20):
you gotta come on all the way. I'm serious, Jack,
I'm serious that I'm coming on. Man. We gotta make
this man that should be good fresh Matt. I'm gonna
get some Bro. We got listen and we gotta put
it in the script of where you have to say
that team when you are you're nervous. I love the

(01:35:43):
fresh fresh with good Hey man, Well Jamie, thank you
for your time. Man, We really thank you. Thank you guys. Man,
you guys keep you. Thank you man, Hey, that's you
uh man, amazing episode thought, brother Jamie. You can cast
us Showtime, basketball, YouTube or all platforms, streament podcast, all

(01:36:07):
of him. You have a call from an innate at
Williamson County Jail. You do it? Did you do it?

(01:36:36):
In the state of Texas, there is no bigger community
activity than high school football. It's Friday night life greg
was one of the best football players. He's smart. The
momentum he had is unlike most students ever experienced. I
got a text message with krit Kelly's photo and I
just said, do you know this kid? There was a

(01:36:59):
crime minuted according to this four year old boy. It
just turned nun like. This can't be two, This can't
be two. And that's when a second victim came forward
with the jury fund the defendant, Gregory Kelly, guilty of
your films. This trial was a sham. There's been an outcry.

(01:37:21):
Everyone's saying, you've got the wrong guy. That could have
been me, that could have been any of us. They've
built him up to be angelic, and then you fast
forward to the search warrants and you get a different picture.
Did you ever have you take a lot of teke test? Yeah,
I've passed every question but one. We've been on this

(01:37:43):
journey to try to figure out what the truth is,
and it's proven difficult at every turn. Initially I was
pretty convinced of this incellence. Now I wouldn't be surprised
either way. M h h. This life was all I

(01:38:08):
ever wanted. I'm not leaving, not yet. I was hoping
you can say that we gotta hit the streets, make
some money people like us. Let's destroy people like him.
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