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Speaker 1 (00:03):
On my high school team. We have five guys make
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(00:30):
Welcome back to a special quarantine edition. We got a
real special guys, what's up with your Brodie with the
virtual handshake, I'm gonna tell you something that I never
told nobody. I want to out the smoke. Welcome back
to a special Quarantine edition of All the Smoke. Oh yeah,
you all the day? Hey, it was a good morning, bro,
it was a good morning. I'm ready to rock one

(00:52):
to day. This is gonna be a good day. I
had barbecue tried to yesterday and then had a leftover
for this morning for Burrito's motherfucking breakfast Burrito. It was, Oh,
I'm ready. What's up with you though? Bro? You're good? Yeah,
I'm good. I'm good now you you didn't woke me up?
You you're in a good movie. I'm a good movie.

(01:13):
I'm ready to rock. You're in a good move and
I'm good. I'm in a great move. Man. I like
to welcome man a former teammate of mine Man the
NBA iron Man twenty two years, half man, half amazing.
My friend, her brother Vince Carter Man, welcome to the show.
See what's something my mother Man. We finally tracked track

(01:35):
this man there as a busy man, right's years a
busy man man doing doing that. I can't stay off
the golf course. Well I can't. I see, you know,
I see that's how I see that saw it. It's
crazy because I don't think people know that's really you
on Instagram. You mean so because it trisp man, like
you know, I know you're okay with it, but I
mean you're out here posting these golf You're out here

(01:57):
posting these golfing like you're on the golf course and
very single day every day, you know, with with how
to legal you know, here there everywhere, you gotta find
something to kind of just to chill and get away
from it. Also single digits, yeah, single digit boy, single
dig nine Right now, we were trying to explain to

(02:21):
Jack what what a nine hand? He didn't get it,
but I just told him all he needs to do
is keep the Joyce road and he can drive the
golf cart and play to me, be good. When you
say handicap, you know, I only know one handicap. I
can't say. So we hit the ball down the fairway.
We just you know, well we're good. Yeah. Yeah, so

(02:43):
we get there. I see you wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Uh sure, I know you've been a fan for a
long time. We played in Orleans on two thousand and ten.
I mean we took a road trip down there and
checked the game out. Y'all. Boys looking good these days though,
because y'all was some asks back then. Yeah, it was
some ship. But check. First of all, let's back up.
I'm glad to hear you actually acknowledge that and say
that because so doing the draft and prior to it,

(03:06):
I put a post on Twitter like, okay, we up,
we're getting ready to draft, and you see it's see
some of these people come out. Man, Oh you're a
bandwagon fab bit. No, bro, I've been with these boys.
It's been riding for the bucks. Some dog, some dogs,
some baby baby ship. Yeah, and I was. I mean
I'm talking about like I was there, faithfully down. Yeah.

(03:27):
Took me to a day we played. Yeah, we took along.
We took that. We took that drive down from Orlando
to Tampa Bay. So Brady, I mean, explosive offense, you get.
Gronk wants to come back. I'm hearing rumors about a
b I mean, what what's your I mean? You know
Jack is a big cowboy. I want to come over.
I heard Percy Harvin the Headaches have subsided a little bit.
He wants to come back and funk with you guys.

(03:48):
I mean it sounds like you guys are about to
beat the ship out of Dallas. Thay, what do you think? Damn?
First of all, we just gotta we gotta, we gotta
handle business in our division. You know, the Saints have
been a pain in the US for a while. The
Falcons has has, you know, disappointed us. We have some
disappointing games. So yeah, I like I like that that.

(04:11):
I like I like Tampa Bay. Man. I had a blessing.
You know. I was a big time Warren Staff fan.
And the year the year we won the championship, they
won the Super Bowl Championship. So I was able to
party with them. Derek Brooks, yeah, d Smith, marn Steth,
all of them, guys. Man, Hey, that was a wild team. Bro.
When I tell you that Alam, yeah, yes, that was

(04:31):
that was Gruden, right, that was the one Gruden popped
up over there one the chip right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So tell the Raiders the Raiders and then ended up
going to the Raiders right after that. Crazy. But anyway,
tell us what's your present day. What's your home routine
like with the wife and kids, and like you said,
you get out in golf a little bit. What's what's
the new nee for you? He said, Oh, man, you

(04:55):
know you just robber room. Just you go go go
and then midday get outside for share, do a little
working out. Just trying to stay stay as young as possible.
You know how it is. Man at this stage, Uh
just waiting, just really waiting. And and I got I
got two little putty mats in the house. Uh so
I just do that with with little man because he's addicted,

(05:16):
y'all think he loves he loves golf, bro, he's addicted
to it. Two things he does is he loves his
basketball and golfing that and I mean we have, like
I got all these different little putty devices and hitting
devices for him, so we can't get on the range.
So he go shoot, you go shoot his basket and
you're like, Dad, let's go put, let's go hit, And
that's what we do. And that's all. That's how how

(05:38):
old is that one? He's three now, so basically, yeah,
he's he's he's all in, he's all can you imagine
can you imagine us getting that kind of guidance after that?
Y're like, golf is one of the things. If he
picks it up young, he's gonna be a monster, like
like Steff. I mean, like, look, how like how Steff
is right now? With Yeah, he just he loves it.
He loves watching. He wants me to video him so

(06:00):
at night, bro, so at night. He literally asked to
watch himself at night, the two things every night before
the bad guarantee. He's like that, can I watch you dump?
And can I watch him? He watches every dump video
that's out there he has seen and he's three every night.
It's crazy. So it's it's it's it's cool for me,

(06:21):
especially during quarantine and you know, you retirements around the
corner and you know you like to reflect and remember
the good old days and trip down memory lane. So
I take a trip down memory lane every night because
thanks thanks to him, MM hmmm. So I mean, like
you said, retirement is right around the corner. Where do
you think the NBA is at? And is your career

(06:42):
possibly over? I think it's done. You know, I'm gonna
be all the way with Hunter, with you, I I do.
I mean, I just think safety first. Just listen to
the NBA. Sometimes you gotta read between the lines when
they say it, but I think safeties first, and they're
just gonna right ride this thing out until they figure
out how to to make things safe for the playoffs

(07:05):
and maybe we get three to five games and that's it.
So I'm in my mind, retired vinces is here and
that's why my golf game looks good right now. So
you you feel like they'll do a quick three to
five game for the playoff teams only for everybody. I
think everybody get a chance to kind of uh to play.

(07:25):
But I think it's just a warm up games so
these guys don't get hurt for the playoffs because, as
we know, the playoffs is money time. You know, that's
where you that's where you make your name, that's where
you make your money. That's you know what what legacies
and and and great things are built. So if they
want the best possible product on the court. So why
not give these guys a chance to play and kind
of get through the kings because we've been away from

(07:46):
basketball for a month, and as you know, when you
get hurt and come back, it's like you've been away
from them. Just imagine, just imagine away from basketball and
really can't work out like that. So these we're gonna
need that talk to us. What you think it would
be like if you guys were in playoff contention right now?
How long do you feel like you guys would need
to really what would be an adequate time? You're saying
three to five games? Probably for the sake of time,

(08:08):
we say, as players like we need to completely restart
that injine, like you said, because you can stay in shape,
but you can't simulate practice and you can't singulate games.
For nothing, I don't care what no one says. So ideally,
if if time was it wasn't uh you know, the
main key, how long would you feel like players would
need to get back ready to the playoffs? It depends
on the player. Now you're talking about forty three year

(08:28):
old me, I'm gonna need time. That's just straight facts.
These young guys. You know, I'm with a bunch of
young guys, so they bounced back and they can get
prepared and kind of get your shape a little faster
than than the O G. So I'm gonna need I'm
gonna need that good three weeks to a month. And
that's just being real, you know, just to kind of
get your legs on it. I mean, if you want
to put specially like you said, getting ready for the playoffs,

(08:49):
So if you would be as good as possible, right,
let me get let me get a month of basketball
just like because just you struggle through the playoffs. I
mean preseason games. You build up, you trying to go
one ten in the first preseason game. It just don't
work that way. Let's talk about your reflections on the class,
the Hall of Fame class. You got KG, you got

(09:10):
my boy TV, yeah, and you got Kobe Man. Talk
about that. I've been blessed um to play against all
of them, and I know what they could do first
head and I hear both of y'all talk about it
often about how special they are to the league. For
these young guys. Now, there's always a debate, and the
debate can go on and on and on about who's
the best at what position. But I was like, it's

(09:31):
tough for me to listen to some of the younger
generation say who's the best one You've never seen t
D Tim duncan do what he's done and energy exactly
when you see you know, I played against I played
against him in college. So I played with Cold in
high school to to his last stage. You know what

(09:54):
I'm saying, Uh, I played. I grew up with KG
in high school. We came out at the same time.
So these exacts, this is exactly. So I I salute
these guys and it's well deserved, and they are what
we had them touted to be. First ballot. Um. That's
a cold class, right there, boy, cold class. Cold class.

(10:15):
We've been asking people, you know, obviously with the loss
of our brother Cobe, to kind of reflect and if
they had any good stories or best stories or memories
with Code. Can you share some one, you know, one
story or a couple of stories that stand out in
particular about Code. All right? So I remember Cod's first
day on our au T So I played a U

(10:36):
in Patterson with Tim Thomas and our squad. We were playing.
I remember playing, Yeah, we're playing against Elton Brand and
those and Cold comes comes to the squad, and the
first couple of games he wouldn't started coming in doing
these things still. And then big big being Pops came up,
was like, hey, hey, just Cold, it's my young fellow.

(10:58):
He deserves to be out there. He just as good
as whatever. So I remember Co's first game playing the point,
coming down, gets the half court, boom, pull up, choose
an airball. We're like, bro, what's good. Step in a
little bit, you know, all right, come down to that
sept boom boom, one two at the half court. Next

(11:19):
time on that like his confidence, he's like, bro, I
can hit that. That's just nothing. That's my you know.
It was just that mentality at that age, on his
first second game playing with this team, it wouldn't like
let me fit in. Tim Thomas is, Tim Thomas is
number one in his class, top five. He liked I
belong and we knew that. We knew who he was.

(11:41):
Obviously we don't have social media, but you know who
Kobe Bryant was. So fast forward to we get into
like our third fourth game, were started beating people by
fifty sixty points a game like because of what he did.
He was our point guard at six six then we
had Tim who could be a point guard at sixteen,
and they're just throwing me lives all day like it

(12:03):
was just it was just fun. And then I jumped
forward to our professional career just playing against him. And
obviously I've heard you both talk about him to exhaustion
about his mentality, uh knowing knowing him and see him
as a young kid, a high school kid, and then
and see him in the pros and just how how
that just increased to the next level. I'll tell you what, man,

(12:25):
I want to talk about him after all of this,
And I got the chance to talk to him um
in New Jersey. We were playing the nets and we
sat and talked. This is after retirement, just seeing and
talk to him, and I was just like, man, you're
good house our retirement. He was like, he's at peace,
he's happier than he's ever been, so to no code
as the killer that he he was, and he didn't

(12:46):
give a shit about nobody. Like we we played. We
we've had times we were about to go face to
face and fight each other in in the game, but
he just whatever, you know what, I'm saying, and that's
you respect that. So you knew every time you played
against him you had to bring him so but to
talk to him afterwards and see like the change and
he's like man like, he looked at life different and

(13:07):
he was just all he wanted to do is for
his kids and he enjoyed coaching. And that that helped
me in my transition preparing for retirement because in the
beginning of the year that a couple of games you
came to the beginning of the year, I couldn't say
retirement because I wasn't ready to accept it. I wasn't
ready accepted. And then we played we played that had
that conversation something like, bro, if if one of the dudes,

(13:29):
who who one of the best to do it and
just eat, sleep it lives, winning, can be at peace?
Now I can. I can. I can say retirement because
it's gonna be okay, because it's like, you know, twenty
two years. But I've been doing this for straight every day.

(13:52):
Appreciate what was that, bro? You know you know what
I'm doing that little broadcast, but people don't understand, like, oh,
you definitely gotta do that. But I'm saying people don't
sound like that's just like when people do twenty years
in jail, when they get out down, I don't know
what to do. That's a fact. That's a fact. So
playing basketball in the NBA twenty years years, bro, what

(14:14):
else is it? Right? So that's that's that's why it
was just so tough to admit or not admit, but
just to say the word retired, because it's like, Okay,
when that last game and I hain't I dropped them
shoes for the last time, you walk back into what
we consider the real world. You know what I'm saying. Now,
it's like, all right, I don't have to go work out.
That routine is old with what do I do? I

(14:35):
got the opportunity to talk to him. I got the
opportunity to talk to Dirt, two guys that that played
twenty plus years and just kind of put me at
ease understanding, like all right, bro, Yeah, it's it's a
justment period, like you guys can say like it's an
adjustment period, Like it's like I don't have to hoot
no more and I'm gonna miss it. Like just because
I said I want to retire, I am retired. That

(14:56):
didn't means I don't miss it, and I think that's
what I'm fighting with. So that's the kind of the thing.
So I'm thankful that I have golf. It's something that's
competitive sport for me. That that it's you got to
work in that every day. You didn't know, like step
away from you come back. Like I know when I
get back, I ain't played in three weeks. So I
get out there, I'm gonna be trash, you know what
I'm saying. But like that that helps exactly. That helps

(15:19):
me kind of except and and be be one with
first of all, how it all ended. First of all,
and then peace. Actually I am not to cut down
to cut you off, but you you hit your last
you hit your last shot of you know, and then
the season has been canceled. Since are you at peace
with with with the way? Then? I mean the longest

(15:41):
who's who's the longest tenor? Is that you as a kareem?
Who has them? Who's played the most shots? Ever? I did?
I passed them this year, pass him this year. So uh,
Kevin Willis was one of them who had Uh. It's
like it's four people that day we're playing the Knicks
and the game's going on whatever. Near the end of
the game. We've heard about Gobert at halftime and didn't

(16:03):
really didn't really click that this could possibly be the
last game. So we get to the fourth quarter and
you know, players started talking like, damn, this might be
it for the year. They might shut it down, and
you know, that might be it. So I'm like, bro,
you know, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Get to about
five minutes left in the game, and a couple of played.
Dwayne Deaman was like, bro, it's your last game of
your career. Bro, how you feel about it. I didn't

(16:25):
even think about it. I was like, damn, it might be.
So they started chatting, we want, we want Vince. I'm like, bro,
now I'm chilling. I'm cool. I'm chilling. You know, game
almost over, you know what or whatever. We were losing,
and I'm like, bro, it's all good. You know. I'm like,
they're gonna shut it down for a couple of weeks.
Games come back, get down to the last minute and
a half and they started chatting again then and in

(16:47):
the LP he looked at me. He was like, yeah,
go on end and that and and that. That second bro,
it just hit me like this might be it for real.
All right, I'm gonna go because I didn't want to go.
I wasn't going, and then I was like, all right,
I'm gonna go. And as I checked in and walked
out there, it was just like chills. Bro, It's just
like that. You know, you asked You asked me at

(17:09):
the beginning of the season. You asked me at All
Star Break, like, what's the ending gonna feel like? What's
your last game gonna feel like? I don't know, I
don't know how bad we all we all handled different.
And my second to last home game would have been
at Toronto, so that had been a third to last

(17:29):
game this season, you know, obviously our last game at
home against Cleveland. So I'm I'm I'm like, bro, I
don't know how I'm a handle that. So I go
out there in the game and I was like, bro,
just in case, just in case, this is your last game,
fire off, shoot it like you've done it before and
and I've been already sitting there for two so so

(17:50):
they were like, yeah, you want to go for dogs,
and yeah, no, I want to make the last So
I was just like, hey, lie that three up and
shoot it. Shooting with confidence, and it was like it
was a refreshing and it's like a satisfaction, Uh, just
to see that ball go in, you know. I was
just like, thank god that went in. And you know,
you deal with it, and we get in the locker
room in the back, reality kind of hit like I

(18:11):
was like, this is it, bro, Like it's something just
holding this is it, And I'm cool with it. You know,
I appreciate everybody out there like, man, this is not
the way that you should you should end your career.
And I agree. I agree. It's not the storybook anding,
but everything in life not a storybook ad and you
learn to deal with it. And I've dealt with it.
I'm cool at this point. Talk to us about playing
across the span of four decades like that sounds crazy

(18:34):
as hell. It's crazy because you know, I look at
like I'm watching you know, the Last Dance, bro, and
like we're all doing and I look at all the
players that's told the court at that time, and I
was like, bro, I played against every day on one
of all of them, all of them, every last one
of them. You know. So I just I'm thankful. I've
seen allegal defense change. I've seen the zone implemented. I've

(18:58):
seen the game get faster, you know. I remember the
East coast was shoot that you know about this the east,
the east was physical, the West was up Temple. That's
how it was. And now you look at that's just
how it is everywhere, you know what I'm saying. So
it's just it's just crazy just to kind of see

(19:20):
how time change and just lead getting younger and younger.
I'm playing against players that I'm I'm older than you know,
a teammate, trades trades that, you know what I'm saying.
I'm playing against former teammates kids. Dell Curry Deil Curry
was my teammate, playing against his son. Yeah, yeah, you
know what I'm saying, Like it's this stuff like that,
like I've been around that. I'm It's just so crazy

(19:45):
and I'm thankful, man, I'm thankful for that, for that,
you know, for the opportunity and to still play this game.
And that's the every year I come in, it's like, Okay,
I might not jump higher than everybody and whatever, but
I know the but you know, I just I just
that's just it's just like every time I saw you,
what's one of the things. I said to you that
every time, I'm trying to hold it down for the

(20:08):
you know that same time when I saw you, I
was like, you know, it's just I know how how
playing against y'all back in the day and how we
loved it and competed against each other. Like I hate
playing against both of y'all. That's just what it was.
But it made for great competition. And obviously the longer
you play and the game has changed, we know that,
and it ain't like it used to be. You know,

(20:28):
I hated both of y'all motherucker's, But I tell you what,
you appreciated. You appreciate the competition, and it took playoffs
to the next level. You remember, remember our battles when
you play with but y'all swept us in our last man,
y'all swept us. I was ill look at that like
that was the one that was like that was that

(20:49):
was the one for me because the other games was battles.
They're saying like y'all dominated us. Y'all ship ship out
of y'all, ain't you know we you know, but like that,
That's what I'm saying. That's the beauty about it because
I remember Matt, I'm gonna take you back speaking to Orlando.
So that year, you remember playing Memphis and Matt about

(21:09):
to get me thrown up because like it's just like
Matt's energy. We know how it is. And he was
about to get into with the big fellow from Memphis
at the time to be was about to whip his
big ass to be from from Yukon. So he pushing,
he started pushing everybody. Well, but I watched that a
couple of days ago, was like many just then, but

(21:30):
we're just about to get exacted, just because like it's
just it's just it's just a different game. And I
just love, like and I really had appreciation for playing
against both of you obviously playing two steps with Matt,
you know, and I want to talk about quick like yeah,
just you know, the love and and for the game.
And you remember we had probably different teammates and we're depleted.

(21:51):
People don't understand like how many people got hurt, how
many people came to our team, Like who's it? Like
maybe me, you and maybe two other people are the
only ones who made it the whole season. Beginning of
the season that was outside of that, we're bringing guys
coming in at ten days start starting in playoff games,
you know, and I remember coaches like you guys, you

(22:11):
know if you want to chill, you know, chilling and
not play or whatever. I'm like, hell now, like just
just ain't that, you know. So it just was appreciation
how how the league is now and what we've been
a part of so over four decades. It's like, Bro,
I've seen it all. I've seen a change, and you know,
it's just it's been. It's been. It's been fun. Did

(22:34):
it was great? I remember Pop tell me you can't
bring a spoon to a knife fight. When we just
playing San Antonio in the first round, Bro, we battled
our ass off. We just didn't have yeah, you know,
I mean we just didn't have enough. And that's that's
what it was. It's like the pride like like that's
and that's that's why I'm playing. Why I am. But
I want to play. I want to whoot like I
want to earn it. I want to earn it, Like
if if we were to beat the Spurs, Bro with

(22:57):
that group, come on, man, I want to wear like
me I came from the error of you. You gotta
earn it, bro, you gotta earn it, like I don't
want to give it to me, Like I just I
appreciate it, but now I want to go out there
and earn it. That's why I'm still playing. That's why
I wanted to play. And yeah, I wanted to play ball,
like yeah, I didn't get a championship. I wanted one,

(23:20):
just like every other player, you know what I'm saying.
But it didn't happen that way. But at the same time,
I wasn't sacrificing just me as a person like who lives. Yeah,
I love the game too much to just sit there
like and at the end of the day that I
hold that ring up, it's cool, like, oh he got
his dream, But did I earn it because I said that,

(23:40):
I just that's just not me and and and it
ain't no knocking to nobody. It's just came from a
different error. I don't want even bring home. I don't
count MU championship and state. I appreciate the opportunity, but
blah blah. But like, to me, I've earned everything like
that that I just had the best fucking seat in
the house to watch an amazing team winning championships. To me,
that should don't even him, like I appreciate the opportunity.

(24:01):
I still got to get that ship from Raymond. Shout
out Raymond. I told Hi, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna
come to a game this year and pick it up.
But I'm the same way man, like I was, like,
you know, you pick it up at all. That's crazy,
that's crazy. But I'm gonna grab but I'll tell you.
But I'll tell you. But I say this, if they
asked forty five year old events, which two years away,

(24:23):
forty five year events, if you would love to come
for our team and be a mentor, that's different, you know.
But when I when I know I can still compete
against these guys, That's why I wanted to play. You know.
I said, I'm gonna play big minutes or whatever. But
I still felt like I could give something. I can
give something the game, and I could do work in
the games too. Like when I feel like maybe the
game has passed, but y'all still want to give you
some monody to play, that's different. That's a different story.

(24:44):
But it's time. I know when it's time, and I
don't want to overstate my world. Talk to us a
little bit about to you personally to Vince Carter, what
was your favorite era to play in for sure, like
late nineties early two thousand's. I mean, that's that's what
it was. You earned your keys. So that goes back
on what I was just saying. You had to you
keep watching the Last Dance and just watching how the
Bad Boys was just destroying MJ through the lane. It's

(25:05):
just like that's just what it was. That just you
understood it made you tough mentally and physically. When I
was able to have my own team and win or lose,
That's just what it was. That's what I wanted. I
had to go through Indiana at the time to Pistons Cleveland,
when you know you had to go through, That's what
it was. Yeah, you're gonna get back last like oh
he can't do it? Like all right, well running back
next year. That's just what it was. And I enjoyed

(25:25):
playing back in the air. I learned a lot. It
made me mentally and physically tough and able to just
persevere through anything because, like I tell you, back back
in the day, bro like for all the dunk that
I was trying to do and do it like we
see the dunks with that man, there were sometimes when
I used to get fucked up. It was it's just
like yo, y'all, fella, no, but you ain't about to

(25:45):
keep flying up here and think it's all good because
you were people. You were sucking people like Ego up
for like a couple of years. Like because the way
you were dunking on motherfucker's when you first came in.
Like I still get chills thinking about some of your
dunks your first couple of years in Toronto. It's just
like you would really embarrassed motherfucker. So I can only
imagine how hard that I care put you right because

(26:06):
they wanted to bro you. That ship was crazy. Well
we'll get to it at that point. But like the
what the ship you used to do a little bit
about night tonight. Every night it was a battle. You're
going against Prime Code Prime, Paul Pierce, uh T mac
uh we on our test and Jack in Indiana. You
know what I mean. There was every single night it
was a battle at that two or three position to

(26:27):
speak to the competition at that time as well. And
that's what it was like. It was like, let's say
you had to earn your keys. You didn't know any
other way. It wasn't like, oh yeah, we gotta do it. Obviously,
you hope through the draft and create agency, you form
your team, But you know, I wanted to I want
to beat those guys. I wanted to beat the best.
I wanted to compete against the best. And that's how
you know where you stand in your career. I want

(26:49):
something I lost, and and that's just what it was
and how it goes. But I wouldn't have it any
other way. The last dance, we've touched on it a
little bit. What is it like for you, because I
think today we get spoiled the accessibility that fans have
due to social media. You know, I think MJ was
the one superstar and we're all, you know, fans and
respect MJ. We never got to see the other side

(27:09):
of Mike. We saw game Mike. We saw Mike selling
shoes and we just see nothing else. We've seen the
crying Jordan's face. You know, that was it, you know
what I mean. So to be able to get there
behind the scenes and almost like a social media look
at what the Bulls are going through back then in
the late nineties and in their runs. What are your
thoughts on that? So It's crazy because for those who
didn't play against them or wasn't far like we're we're

(27:31):
pretty much close to to to MJ's retirement him playing,
so we were right around that area that error. But
for those who only hear about Mike's worth that work ethic,
how much of an asshole he was? Uh? And all
he cared about women? You know, we don't We saw
that with Cole, but they didn't see it with Mike,
and you know, and and and you people didn't know

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he was just like all right, you know, he the greatest,
but all right, that's why I think what younger generations
kind of in them, but like, all right, he was cool,
but exactly exactly, but what what the bottom was so special? Bro?
You watch that now when people ask this these questions
about who's the greatest and blah blah blah, I'm like,
what rules are we using? Because if you put some

(28:17):
of the players and start u stuff today in that
error with hand checking and the physicality and what is
considered a flavor, now, I don't care how good it
is right now, it's a different different Somebody holding on
your shots the whole way it's legal, and when you
run through the paint and you can get bumped. It's different.
And that's my argument with people. It's like, it ain't

(28:39):
no disrespect to anybody because they're all great. You're gonna
argue back and forth and everybody's gonna have their opinion.
What I'm saying, which rules are we using? Because when
you say, if you say we're using today's rules, okay,
well didn't take Michael Jordan's who's batter than bruising getting
fucked up every time he was running around off the
screen through the paint and put them in the rules

(29:01):
today A And that's my argument, And it's no disrespect
to any of these guys, then that's my point. Whatever
you say, you're gonna ruffle feathers and that's cool. But
I got the opportunity to play against Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
and Lebron James, so I've got to see all of

(29:22):
them in their element. Not obviously I didn't played against
Pride Mike, but Mike was pretty damn good that points.
And fourth, yeah, where do you put those sir? You
got a chance to play against all those three in
your from your opinion, where do you put Mike, Kobe
and m J. I gotta go with m J. See,
it's hard for me to pick current players and put
them against the past because I'm still playing one and

(29:45):
I'm never gonna give them that advantage. That's just what
it is until I'm done. But too, it's just what
it is. I mean, m m J. Okay, all right,
I'm gonna breaking down like this, how many times m
J went to the finals? Please anybody? Six times? And
one every time? Okay, So he's on the feast, so
you don't know what it's like to lose in the finals.
He can say undefeated. If you can say that, that's

(30:07):
number one right there. But at the same time, I
have to give lebronest problems. That man went to the
NBA finals eight straight nine times. Correct, Incredible, incredible, And
so I say this, and when you go that many times,
you're gonna lose. That's that's three you're gonna That's just
that's just how it goes. And and and we're in

(30:28):
the world where numbers matter, and said, look at his
winning records. How many times to cold go six or seven? Seven? Yeah, Look,
that's you know people always talking about their winning percentage. Well,
that's the time to talk about winning percentage. That's that's

(30:50):
and that's why, that's why I say it. But you know,
it depends on what you're talking about the greatest one
of the greatest athletes to play this game, James. See,
I can have that conversation with you. I can had
that conversation with you because you your future Hall of
Fame and you didn't played the game a long time
and we didn't have a lot of bags. We've been
in the game. But when it's people that really don't
understand the game, I just leave it at they're all
on Goat Island and none of us is invited. I'm

(31:11):
gonna leave it a dead no. And you know what,
that's well said. That's well said, And that's what I said,
cause you're gonna always rough for feathers if you're died
by bron fan, you think it's disrespect when you say
otherwise about him, Code and and and Mike. So that
that's just it's gonna be an ongoing battle because unless
they ever played against each other, just imagine them playing
against each other. Though, So for the record, you got

(31:33):
m J Code, but then lebron Ken Lebron and your
in your opinion with Lebron's maybe two three years left,
maybe four? Can does he have an opportunity in your mind?
Possibly jump code? He has an opportunity, I mean, and
it's gonna it's just gonna be based off of what
he gets done. But I can said, uh, he gets
to the finals again, I mean, you're just gonna give
him more credit now ten times in the fight, like

(31:54):
just insane. He got to the finals double did you?
And you know it's just it's just let's I just
say to people, let's just wait and see, wait until
they're all when it's all set and done, then it's
fair to have a real debate. Because we're talking about
MJ and those they can't score any more points. That's it.
They can't score any more point, so they've they've already
done what they had to do. Let's let let's see

(32:16):
what Lebron does and how it all plays out and
go from there. See, Jack and I feel the same.
We feel covies to Lebron is three and to me
in my opinion, which don't mean ship, I'm just saying,
if Lebron is able to take a third franchise to
the finals and win a championship with three different teams.
That's when I think you saw something jumps code. Yeah,
you know what I mean. But to me, it's crazy,

(32:37):
and you made a good point. It's not disrespecting code,
MJ Mike. If you like one and you and you
rank them, everyone wants to put one a verse together
like only one can be there, only this can be that.
And if you like Mike, you hate Code. If you
love bron you know you hate And it's not like that,
you know, especially for those who play. It's crazy because
some of the people have an opinion. Everyone has a

(32:58):
penny now and don't don't who never played? Never played?
And I got motherfucker's presenting the motherfucker to have an
opinion and get paid for their opinion never played. I mean,
so when you hear people like Skip Bayless saying, Scottie
Pippot isn't one of the greatest, man, shut the funk
up with that ship man, Scottie. Do you know what
I mean? So that kind of stuff really bothers me

(33:18):
because like you don't know what it's like to go
pit with it. You mean, you know, a pit with this,
Skip people people listen to that. People listening to man,
they ride for it. Like, come on, man, like, don't
disrespect people like that because one, you've never been in
their shoes. I understand you get paid for it, but
have some respect, man like, straight up, I'd rather you
had that opinion to say. But hey, I've never played

(33:39):
a game, so I'm not you know what it's like, alright,
I value That's all. That's my only beef with with
like people like that. Who if you haven't played in
the NBA game, Hey, one NBA game, you would not
understand like what it's like. Like point I just it's
just like you can study it, you can be a junkie,
you can watch all the film you want, but you

(34:01):
still never they don't know what it's like. But you
still don't know what it's like to come off for
a pick and roll and see a double team and
know how to read it react with quick. You don't
know that. You don't know what it's like to get
fifteen points scored on you straight and how you have
to bounce back or you know, or missing a couple
of shots. And then hearing people saying, well, you don't
know that. You don't know what it's like, like what
these dudes had to go through. They were rock stars,

(34:23):
and he can't praise Magic. You can't praise Magic and
not praise pimp. He shut him down on the finals,
Like Magic is one of the best ever. You know
what it takes to shut down somebody in the finals.
Come on and Magic, get that. Come on, man, That's
what I'm saying. Like crazy wants to find out that
the pip with with all that being said that he
was the hundred and twenty second hundred a second, he

(34:43):
was Robertson. He was Robertson. But Robertson is making and
I don't want to miss cod, but I think he's
making somewhere between nine and twelve million though, you know
what I mean. And he could have hit the house
and he was in the kitchen. He shoots a bas
the free throw line. Who does that? But it's a

(35:03):
different game, different games. It's a different game free all
in my life. And that's crazy. That's that's what it is.
I mean, that's that's the that's the changes of the
of the error and how much money is out there
now to be made. Brother, Like you just like just
think if we could, if they could pull up a

(35:25):
number in your career, what the salary cap looks like
then and what it looks like now. It's it's crazy close.
So it's so much money available. But I may I
ask you one question real quick? What does Lebron have
to do to be in your opinions that y'all think
MJ's What does he have to do within his time
left to become me? I say it is not much.

(35:46):
I say, win two championships in l A. That's a lot.
When he passed code too, we're talking about not you
can have a conversation with him and m J. A conversation. Okay,
does does scoring if anything to do with it? Now?
You know what it's not to me because people don't
give Antoine Jamison points he got with twenty thousand points.

(36:07):
I mean, don't give him props he got twenty thousand.
But I'm saying what I'm saying now he becomes number
one is all time and scoring? Does that matter? I mean,
but let me two facts. Okay, Now that definitely asked
for Evince, because you also gotta keep in mind, Braun
is the only one we're talking about to top ten
and assists, so he might be top five by the

(36:29):
time he's finished playing number one or number two and
scoring and then won two more titles. That's when, to
me you could start talking about he is the greatest
of all time, no matter what is right. But you
got that count to Matt how many years more he
played in the So m J is what played fifteen years? Uh?
Number five and all time scoring swards Kareem, Karl Malone, Lebron, Kobe,

(36:51):
Mike Braun is somewhere forty Yeah, sure, if I'm not mistaken.
Giver takes. So that would be probably about twelve hundred
points a year for the next four years to possibly
catch Kareem. They said this year in sixty games, he
already had what fift hundred points, So four more years

(37:12):
at Lebron averaging possibly around twenty two points a game
to catch Kareem. I don't see that being far fetched.
I think it all depends on its supporting cast, you know.
And you know, in the beginning he was talking about
how he was trying to feature a d to be
a star and all of these things. So that's not
saying he still won't average five points a game, but

(37:35):
you know, it depends on how loaded, if you would
his team could be down the line to take some
of the workload off of him what he's been doing
off of his career. So I mean it's a lot,
it's just one lot of one is so you made
a great point, So let's let him finish. There's a chance.
To me if Jack made a great point, I think
two chips puts him definitely in the same conversation as Mike.

(37:55):
And then you look at his historical context and his
his final numbers. There's a chance for for Broad to
be the greatest of all time man, and people don't
even if you don't look at it, Even if he
doesn't finish number one in scoring, even if he's a
couple of thousand away from number one, I mean he
would have three champions with three different organizations, you know.
So it's there's a lot to look at. But moving ahead,
I tell people, you're one of the greatest fucking purest

(38:17):
athletes I've ever seen. You shoot jump jump shots from
half court like they're nothing. You shoot left handed three,
it's like anohing. You could throw football sixty yards. You
golf like there's nothing you can't do. Tell us where
that all that athleticism came from. At an early age,
it's the water Florida kid that Florida water Man. You know,

(38:38):
I tell anything, bro. I give mom some props though,
because she was one of those kids at first. You know,
I just love obviously football was but I especially growing up,
you know, coming from Florida, which is a football state.
So I played football and and and that was a
quarterback and the receiver. But I tell you one thing,
She's like, bro, try try. Don't be afraid to try anything.
I played volleyball. You know it's a bad and uh

(39:01):
you know, pink Paula is one of my favorite sports.
Like only these things. I wasn't afraid to try anything
and just was curious about it, and you know, just
tended to pick pick things up rather quickly and just
because I was curious about it. So I was lucky people. Yeah, volleyball.
And I did that as a as a joke with
my boys because we walked by the gym one day
going to food around the gym. Like volleyball, I was like,

(39:22):
I bet you won't go I bet you'll go in
there and try out. I ended up playing three years,
had never played before, never played before, and I got
junior year. That's crazy. I mean, motherfucker, you're jumping and
getting your waist above the nets, spiking that btch on
everyone's whole entire school. I can only imagine. So my

(39:44):
my sedior year, I played like two or three games
because I had, you know, the slowdown with all this
stuff I was doing, because everything overlap. I played two games.
My last game, bro, Uh, they threw me a set
from out the back row. I hit the ball and
this kid who was in the back row waiting to
pass the back and hit him and split his glasses.

(40:05):
But because I was you know, like I said, I
used getting over the net. So they used to set
it up as high as I could just to see
if I could just in front of the first and
hit it down into the front line. That was that
was the challenge for me. You know, as far as
in high school, I jumped higher, Bro, I can touch
seeing that ship. I could touch the top of the
backboard in high school. Man, my senior year. In my

(40:30):
freshman year of college is when I was jumping my
high school, I could touch the top of the backboard.
Just fucking insane. We couldn't even call it. Could you
imagine seeing this? You couldn't call Vince no band nerd.
Could you think Van I mean the historical context of
a band is they're kind of like, you know, they're
a little different. Vince out here doing the ship during
the football season, the band, and then motherfucker touching the

(40:51):
top of the backboard during basketball season, like what the
fun like two months later? I don't know, Man was fun.
Real niggas. Real niggas didn't do bad cause you have
to learn how to read music. Yeah, you're right, You're right.
And I started that at sixth grade, so my step
dad at the time. It was a band direct. So
band was always a part of me, and music saw

(41:12):
it was a part of me, you know. So that's
why I have a passion for music. I mean, I
got a little set up right here. Can music still Yeah, Yeah,
that's dope. I can record that. This motherfucker do anything.
Brother way, I saw like you don't get to see
whatever you're ready, I can record. I wasn't gonna say no,

(41:33):
but I got I got it. Uh, you all got
a mixtape coming out. But what I was saying is
to see Vincent practice. And obviously I didn't catch early
early Vincent and you know, the late nineties, early two thousand,
but to see you in practice when we played together,
like some of the effortless ship you would do is

(41:53):
just like what the fuck like in like just your
skill and you're one of the most skilled people to
me to that's aver touch thing. And I've been we
both all been blessed to play with a lot of
talent to people, but I haven't seen just pure skill
like you have, man, and the ship is the first step.
His first step was unreal. No, I'm excited about this

(42:13):
man like that, you know, because of back in the
day's games so physicals, like you can't you can't just
play bulletball all the time after while, you know, you
got lodged on while you got j O back there
blocking shots. But your first step matter. I had to
learn that, like sometimes like you know what, dude hits
you like, oh no, you know, let's let's play this game.
And then after a while I was like, all right,
I need to outquick you because back then you you

(42:34):
had two big men. You had Junk and Robinson. You
know what I'm saying. You had the Davis boys, Davis
boy Smith, you know what I'm saying, Like you know
j O, Jeff Foster, Scott Scott Jeff, you know what
I'm saying like you had big men, so you had
to learn how to have a first step, and I

(42:55):
learned once I kind of got a step on you
and you beside me. In my mind, you weren't will
be able to jump me unless you met me at
the room and you just got looking. Some people match
you at the room, but you just went up a
little little last minute. So for all the times that
I got my dunk block, that helped me because I learned,
I always knew I could hang in the air. And
that's why obviously you and practice. You see, I used
to just win around and do just stupid stuff. Hanging

(43:16):
up there like that was just my mentality, like okay,
sometimes I want to jump high to you, and it
used to be fun for me. That's why I did
a lot of one one hand shots just because it
used to be fun for me to hang up there
because you thought she was gonna block it, and that
used to be fun. Yeah, big gass hand so that
you can hold the ball, move it, trained it to

(43:38):
the side, dunked that ship. So it's that's why it
was easy to kind of dump on a lot of
the big man like my Tumbo and Zoe like when
I did the dunk on Zoe. If I don't have
big hands, I wouldn't be able to move it that
far like that. You know that ship was sick, very decorated.
High school career state champion McDonald's All American, recruited by

(43:59):
pretty much obviously every school in the country. Who were
your final couple choices and what made you pick North
Carolina over everybody else? I had Duke Carolina Florida Florida State,
and I had Kansas and Kentucky initially. Then I dropped Kentucky,
then Kansas. I figured if I go to Kansas, I
can go to Carolina because Roy Williams was there at
the time and it was the same. Plus he had

(44:21):
already signed Paul Pierce. Once he signed Paul Pierce, I
was like uh. And then Ron Mercy, I was like, nah,
so Rob Mercer who was number one. Mercer was a
killer and so it was exactly shoot in high school too,
bro like he was. So he went to Kentucky. So

(44:43):
I was like, nah, they already had Anto a Walker
and them over there, so it was like that's done deal.
And then once I took my visit to Carolina, I
was sold. I knew I had the opportunity to start
and playing in Antoine. Who you know who was shoot
my junior year. He was number one playing in the
country before KG and and and and Ron Mercer took over.
I had Stephan Marberry who who ended up going to

(45:04):
Georgia Tech. Billips McCoy a shout out, Army Darnlod's pass
is crazy. They needed you at Kentucky, uh that year
because I was We played Kentucky when I was okay
in ninety six, Bro, they won it. No, we played
him in preseason and beat him by Twinny school team.

(45:24):
I need footage, Jack, I don't believe it. We gotta, Matt.
You know, my brain don't work like that. I can't
remember that far back. I had to see footage to remember. Yeah,
I need funnage. It's like you called me. This is
my first called me on my football ship. Tell my
homeboy sent me some football footage. I'm like, yeah, look
at that. I was going to North Carolina. Like obviously,

(45:46):
with you being someone that was very similar to Jordan's,
the way you attack, the way you dunk, did that
play anything into going to North Carolina at all? The
tradition of it obviously the tradition. But I'm gonna tell
you what I took my visit. I was sold, like
you walking out of and you just look at the
history of the banners one and then just up the
jerseys up there obviously Jordan's Worthy, Brad Doherty, Phil Ford.

(46:07):
I mean, it's a laundry list of players. But Phil, yeah,
exactly so. So when I when I walked in there
the first time, he was just like, so I got
there that summer when I took my visit, We're playing
pick up and who's who's in there? Just imagine. So
let me just say my freshman year, it could have
been Jeff McGinnis at the point I probably played the two.
Stack would have played the three Antoine, Jameson would have

(46:28):
played the four Rashi would have been the five Goodness,
which Shaman Williams who ended up who played pro Dr Labor,
who played real quick plus an attitude, didn't you? But
he was like, the next that's my class next year,
like it used Stackhouse for She's Jeff leguinnis Jameson as

(46:52):
a starting group sham, Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying.
So just just walking into pick like on my visit,
I was like, bro, just the NBA right here, everybody,
every Carolina guy who made it to the NBA was
was there, MJ Worthy, you name it. I'm in here,
playing in high school of playing against these guys. We

(47:13):
already knew Stack and she was going, bro, and I'm
holding my own against them. I was like, Bro, this
is what I need to be. You know what I'm saying.
So it's and then when I get there, it's just
like now you're in it with some of the best players,
and then here comes the same thing. You walk here,
m J give me, give me these four, give me
these four walk on and everybody, you know what I'm saying,
like like this, It's just that's that's what it was.

(47:36):
So it College was was fun, man. It was just
I learned a lot and I didn't put any pressure.
I was like, yeah, man, I played, I'm playing here,
and it's every but we looked at it like Dean
smith Man, just like I played for Dean Smith So
it was kind of like, man, I'm playing for this man. Yeah,
this man got a dome named after him and he

(47:57):
was alive and still coaching. So it's exactly. So I
played for a legendary coach, So it wasn't the pressure
of kind of following the footsteps for MJ. It was
always like everybody knew who Dee Dean Smith was, so
you got to hold you on for him. With the
current climate of today, and you just saw U c
L a five star recruit d commit and it's going

(48:19):
to the G League? Can I is it? Is it good?
Safe to say, Vince, you had a blast in college
like I had a last l A blast wasn't change
it for the world, you know, wouldn't change for the world,
just like you mentioned all those people you said, So
we're in l A. My freshman coming in is the
ninety eight lockout. So we got Paul Pierced up there,

(48:40):
Kobe Shack, jermaineo Need like you name them. I'm seventeen
eighteen coming into this at U c L A like hole,
like when you get a great taste of what that
that next level that other sizes like. And that ship
was incredible, like a young Ricky Davis man like, that
ship was a blast. But Barry Baron Baron doing Barry
bar it was our teammate then that ship was incredible.

(49:01):
But those summers are what got me and and you know,
all my college teammates that had success in the pros
ready for the Pros because it was those summer games.
Like you said, you guys had your Carolina pickups. Those
U l A pickups were legendary. But I get back
to the fact that the college was such an amazing
time for me, you know what I mean. Obviously the
money's different, circumstances are different now, but I wouldn't trade
my experience and my friends and what I learned and

(49:24):
what I meant. I don't know if I could trade
that for five hundred thousand. Hey watch this, I'm gonna
tell you something crazy. And you know, I didn't think
I was good enough to do it. So my year,
obviously KG came out and went pro out of high school.
There was a small rumor that I could possibly go
pro out of high school. First of all, I didn't
think I was good enough, so I was like breadful,

(49:45):
what like, you know, I didn't I didn't think so
it's just funny the mentality at the time. And then
when I got there, I was like, well, I made
the right decision. And even when I got got I
came out my junior because I did three years of college,
and you know, it was the best three years. And
after my freshman year, I was like bro, and I
wasn't playing what it was in and out things didn't
look great. I was just like I made the right decision,

(50:07):
and it was still whispers like could he? Could he?
And then after after my junior year, we made to
the Final four. Back to back years. I had two
great uh n c A tournament UH showings that played
with average like one my junior didn't. I'm still kind
of faking hesitating, like until I found out I can
go top five, and I was like, all right, guys,
let's be real, I gotta do it. But you had

(50:29):
some dope runs like you mentioned back to back final
four appearances ninety nine. You guys lost to Mike Bibbie
in Arizona. Every time I see him and Jason Terry
hold On, hold On, hold on, sposed to Jack was
supposed to be here recruiting class. I was. I was
when you like when you're talking about pick up Mike Dickinson,

(50:50):
Miles Simon, Jason, Mike Bibby. So I was there the
whole person Mester not in passing test. So I got
kicked off. But I was supposed to be in that game.
Dog that it would have been crazy, was that? Yeah?
Adjact to that Arizona line if that would have been
sick A J. Bramlett. Yeah, that they were cold, like

(51:11):
we should have beat them though we had him beat
in the first half and just Phillip part that kid
by the name of Mike Bibby just like yeah. And
then then all of a sudden, you know, Washington play
against Kentucky in the finals, like he cold. Yeah, And
I don't understand like Jay Terry was killing, bawling bro

(51:32):
like killing man. He he used to give us the blues?
Who was that? U? C? L A? Jason Terry was
a sucking killer. He was killing louse Mike Dickerson like
they had that. That dude had to the quickst first
step I've ever seen Mike Dickerson. Yes, but he strong too.
People gonna listen to this to be like who Mike who?

(51:54):
Look him up? Man? But he was unbelievable. He had
back injuries right when he got to the league. Is
that would slowed him down? It was a neat didn't
had like a growing injury as well, Like it was growing. Yeah,
it wasn't that's what put Michael is growing Michaels nice. Yeah.
So then then in the next year, losing to Utah

(52:14):
was at Keith Van Horne's horn or Andre Mill just left.
Andre Miller gave us a triple. Andre Miller too, we're
talking about him. Shot Miller was he was Miller. He
was built like he was he was built in the
league like, yeah, he he was smart back then. He

(52:35):
knew the game like Miller. It's crazy. You look at
their team and adn't no disrespect, But he was looking
at me like, bro, he ain't got enough. He got
at Utah on top of it. Hell noah, yeah, you
ain't got enough. Him and Ricky Jared's though, masterminds master
Jared's masterminds. Somebody better though, he made anybody better than

(52:59):
he was. He was so smart, man, he knew the game, bro,
Like obviously who he is, who he was in the NBA.
He was like that in in college as well. Draft
night pick, trading for your teammate from the Warriors to
the Raptors Antoine Jamison swap. What was that? Like? It's
crazy how how the whole experience went down? Like so
when when he got drafted prior to it. So I'm

(53:22):
working out in the summer um and the Raptors were
out there. They're like, hey, you might as well come
work out for us because if you're available, we're gonna draft.
I'm like, all right, because I ain't know nothing about
Canada and never been outside. You know, the do the
US for basketball, That's that's not true. I've been to
Germany for the but I've never been to Canada, so
I didn't know what was going on. So I was like,
all right, cool, so I go there. I had a

(53:43):
terrible experience as far as like my flight was delayed,
my room got canceled, my room got canceled. When I
got there the next day. When they put me, they
put me in another hotel. My room services two hours
late that night. Got there the next day, the ball
kid forgot my my practice gear. Uh, so I got
staying there. He's like, oh man, so that was my practice.
My singing started to two hours later and I was

(54:04):
by myself. But they said I had a great workout,
so I worked out toward never worked out for him.
So they say, hey, fourth pick you, we're gonna get you. Well.
Draft night comes and I'm like, okay, cool, old Candy
goes one baby goes to all right, Because I worked
out for Vancouver and they already made it clear to say,
we just want to see you work out, but we're
either gonna get Oliver Candy a bit, so I knew

(54:26):
that the Clippers didn't didn't even invite me to like
we were getting this baby or a little Candy Denver.
I had a good workout there, but they took Racelet
friends exactly. So four comes out. I was like, oh, Toronto.
I was like, oh, I told my I was like, oh,
this is it right here? Man, They said Antoine James said.
I was like, and Twine looked at me. But because
he never worked out for but we didn't know. Obviously

(54:47):
they were working on a deal. Obviously when it happened that, uh,
Golden State was trying to keep Twine from going to Dallas,
so obviously they said they'll take him. And then I
get drafted by Golden States. So I'm like, okay, okay,
I'm out West, go to stay cool whatever whatever. And
as soon as I get up on the stage, I
shook David Hits David Stirr's hand and he said, hold up, man,

(55:10):
it's about to be a trade. I'm like, damn, get
treated already. So as we went back, this is no bro.
As I was walking up the steps, Town is at
the side of the steps, you know, right before as
soon as you get drafted, you gonna do your interview.
Trying to sit in there, He's like he's trying to say.
He whispering something like what what like's you know? First
of all, I ain't trying to knew. Yeah, I'm walking

(55:32):
up the steps. I ain't trying to fall, so I
ain't paying attention to all that he's talking. I'm like,
what what what? Okay, hold on, let me take this picture.
He was telling me, bro were about to get traded
for each other. Yeah, that's crazy. So David sturns, like,
it's about to be trade. Suff we gotta trade. The
Toronto ratchors have traded Vince Card and Twine Jamison for
Vince Card blah blah blah and for money. I'm like
what he's like food, That's what I was trying to

(55:53):
tell you, And that's how I got That's how I
got introduced to the business. It's like that. So it's
like a business, like said the business Candy was Little
Candy was one, Baby was two, The Friends was three,
Jamison was four. You were five. Tractor trailer arresting piece
was six. Uh. Jason Williams will shout out bubbs, Larry

(56:15):
Hughes eight, Dirk new Whiskey nine, Paul, Paul was pissed
TiO he went tin, Yes, he was. Paul was he
was We forget your boy. Charlet Lewis, who was coming
out of high school. Second round, second round, y, Yeah,
sat in the green he was. I don't mean nothing
about that draft because now you go to park parks

(56:37):
and when people shoot at balls, you hear them say
on what candy like when they do something stupid on
the court. So he was the number one pick, So
don't even worry about that. That is mean nothing. You
number one pick was terrible. That was crazy. It was
crazy leading up to it, like nobody watched specific play.
Yeah if you're laughing and sack it, but you didn't know,

(57:00):
didn't know much about it, Like okay, he's six ten
seven feet but okay, but I never see Anyboddy play.
So number one and leave it, leave it to the
old clippers, leave it to the so when so when
you got to Toronto. What was that like, I mean,
when you know being a rookie after the trade, you

(57:21):
know what I mean? You said the workout didn't go good,
so going there actually getting ready to play where you
optimistic about it about it being better. So watch how
this story happened. My junior year is when I found
out Team back was my cousin. So he comes out
and he goes to the draft and he's coming in
the workout and pick up and he's like, hey, bro,

(57:42):
like nobody would let him to use his locker. Now,
we played you ball together all right, so I knew
he was on this younger team. I was on the
big on the older team. So we used to watch
to the play. Never knew we were cousins. Okay, we're
playing pickup and Carolina all weeks. I said, hey, but
you can use my locker whatever story stuff, uh, all
week because I knew him from back in the crib

(58:04):
all right. On on Thursday, he's like, b I ain't
gonna be here Friday. On Friday, I'm said, he I
ain't gonna be on Friday because I'm going for a
family union. Alright, cool, whatever, I see you next week
and you get back just like that. I wasn't going
because I was in school. You know what I'm saying.
I was back in school playing pick up. He sits
at the table with my grandmother. They get to talk
and she's like, oh, so you went to school in
North Carolina. She's like, my grandson plays college ball. And

(58:25):
he's like, oh for real. She's like, Vince Carter. I
get a call from on my grandmother, So what's up? Cuse?
What's up? Cause? Man? Who the hell is this? This
mac man? This team mat what's up cause? And that's
how we found out with my cousin. So all season
he called me the you need to keep dominating, bro,
so you can get drafted high. I won'ta make sure
they come. They're gonna raft. You're gonna make sure they

(58:46):
draft you like this is this new you know whatever? Literally,
when I got drafted, I go to the back room
after I got traded, phone rings. Who is it? I
told you? Because I told you she could like And
that's why it was so so to answer your question.
Walking into my first year, I was cool. I got family.
I'm playing with family. So he's gonna tell me the ropes.

(59:08):
He knows what it's like. To be a rookie, and
he knows what it'd be like to be a rookie
and struggle. Yeah, so it was easy to walk into.
And then obviously we bring Charles Oakley in and my
second day of training camp, yes, my second day of
training camp. He comes in. He puts his arm around you.
He said, I got you. I'm gonna teach you to
leave listen to me. So uh yeah, but what do
you say to that? No, chill, I got, yes, sir, Yes, sir,

(59:31):
that's what it was. How do you like your coffee? Yeah? Carry?
Carry back right here? Okay, cool? I got so thank you.
Back to the last dance win they showed Scott yeah,
bro that I was like, oh, snap, you've been doing
this since eighty six, eighty seven. Yeah, that was me,

(59:52):
that same thing. So ever since then, I was like, yo, y'all,
see what happened to pick back then? That is me, bro,
That's what. But like I knew I was in good hands.
And to this day when I see Opra, he still
treat me like a rookie, you know, heavy, old alligator hands,
just rough, like every time, like he beat on your life. Right,

(01:00:14):
I'm like, bro, I'm not a rookie no more. But
it's good, sir, You're good. He made the game easy
for me. Man. He taught me because he played with
m J. So he got to see his preparation. You know.
I played with Doug Christie, who played with Magic. I
played with Deep Brown who played with Bird. I played
with Antonio Davis, who played with Reggie Miller. So I
had guys on my team played real rates, right, he
played with greatness, and they taught me how to how

(01:00:35):
to handle myself. You know, with all the attention that
was coming in, it made the game easy for me.
A lot of people talking about open theyn't never see
the other side. You know what I'm saying, like, is
one of those guys. They might see all that with
Scott the people, but I guarantee you when he went
brought suits, he probably bought Scott the pepper suits when
he went shopping. You know what I'm saying, was that
type of dude. He gonna gonna he gonna hate you
a little bit, but ain't nobody gonna protect you more

(01:00:56):
than him? And that's true. I remember this, bro. I
remember I was trying to dunk. I was playing and
trying to dunk. The ball on shot and shot took
me out to get out the air flatliney. So I
hit the ground back first, looking at the the top
of the lights and my eyes closed. Right, But who
do I hear? I hear Charles hopefully eight like that

(01:01:19):
right in shock face, like you know shocks like now, Bro,
I wouldn't try to hurt him. It was just like,
that's that's that's what it was. You had nothing to
worry about. It's like he's like, bro, you go playing hard.
That's why I had no fear. I wasn't worried about
you know, nothing, really you're gonna try to dunk or whatever.
Like it was. It was nothing like He's like, you
do what you gotta do. Yeah. Yeah, that helped me

(01:01:41):
shout out oak Man, that's we gotta get on the
show because I know he got stories with a lot
of he gotta get when we come back from recess.
We gotta get up two thousand to me arguments, uh Argua,
believe you chase the dunk contest forever and that we
can talk about Mike's dunk from the free thrower and
all the dunks in the history. But you came in

(01:02:02):
and did some ship we had never seen. I remember,
I've been fucking study hall at U C l A
and the dunk Contest is coming on. So somehow I
got the fucking lady to bring a TV and study
hall and we watched you in Oracle Arena chase the
dunk contest forever. How did you? I mean, you did
dunks we never seen? Did you prep? How did you
know what you were gonna do? Talk to us about that?
So leading up to it, first of all, first of all,

(01:02:24):
it took the Act the Congress to get Tea Mack
to do it because he didn't want to do it.
People don't know that. Like he put on the hell
of a show himself and he did not want to
do it. Who did in that dunk contest? People? That
was a good dunk contest? Ricky Davis, c frank Uh Stackhouse,
I'm forgetting. That's That's all the one I could think

(01:02:45):
of right now. That's it was crazy and T Mac
and Mac and him Yeah that was six yeah, yeah, yeah,
so it was. It was crazy. But I was just like, bro,
we could go out here and put to run on
the map and you know, we could show what we
could do because like we fooled around like we were
fooling around with different stuff. Our remember in San Antonio
at a practice one day, was we were just going crazy,
throwing the ball all over the gym off one bounce

(01:03:05):
and just doing crazy stuff just from trying to figure
stuff out. So we had an awful trip there. Our
car didn't pick us up one time, so we missed
our practice leading up to the contest, so we never
got the practice. Our practice was the Layoup line or whatever,
the warm up line right before this contest started, so
we never got the practice. And my routine that I
was gonna do. I saw all these people man and

(01:03:28):
sitting around. You see all the stars and everything, and
that was all of us, just bro I was like this,
this routine is not good enough. So I scrapped all
of that in the layoup line. It took I was
so hype. It took me everything not to do my
duct routine in the layoup line. I was just so
hYP like I've been looking for the just fly, just fly,
that's it. I'm ready to show everybody what I could do.

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Like I take for all my high school in middle school,
I didn't care about watching Sunday at the all Star Game.
I just wanted to take. Watched the dun dunk contests
on on Saturday, and I'm like, bro, I'm finally here.
I ain't about to blow this, but I'm about to
go ham. So when I got out there, I saw
all these people, man, and my my energy uh, and

(01:04:13):
my my drilling was on ten thousand ro so uh,
I scrapped it. And so I was just trying to
figure out what to do. So that first dunk, the
reverse three sixty, I had tried to fool God. So
I tried that dunk and barely made it when I
was practicing, So I originally I had scrapped that already.
But when I got out there, I saw all these

(01:04:33):
people and I saw Twine there and I was like,
watch this year. What you about to do? I was like,
you walked into that motherfucker perfect too. People just walked
into that mother hey. But I was just so I
was so hyped. So that's why. So if you notice,
remember when I dugged the ball boom and go through,
and then I was so hype my second bounce, I
probably could have did a windmill, you know, Like I

(01:04:54):
was just so high because I had never accomplished that
dunk like that before, but that was all adrenaline that
so every in between every dunk, I was just over,
just like just trying to figure out what next, what next?
What next? So I did the one step one eighty
wind mill. But I wanted to show everybody, like you know,

(01:05:14):
obviously you didn't see many people jumping the other way
and right. So I had taught myself how to jump,
to do the reverse three sixty and just practice, practice, practice,
until I got it to this day. Like if you
asked me to do a dunk, I would do a
reverse three sixty before I do the regular one. Cannot
I can't go the other way anymore, like I can't.

(01:05:37):
I can't. I can't. Just makes no sense of me.
It's so it's so crazy. You get lost in your
old get lost, absolutely, but I can't do it, like
I'll barely make it. So that's why I wanted to
show just obviously going against the grain, obviously a full
extended wind mill blah blah blah whatever, and I didn't
know if I was gonna get that high, but whatever.
So with the one eight dunk, I wanted to show
that I could take one step out of the baseline

(01:05:59):
sore to the front the ren while doing the extended
wind bill and boom throw it through. So I didn't
get it. I didn't get a tent from Kenny Smith,
you know, which kind of bothered me. So yeah, but
he's like, oh, you set the bar too high. Well
walking on the port. That's the last thing. That's the
last thing I said to myself before my first dunk,
I said, show up a show out, And that used

(01:06:22):
to be our terminology in the band before. You know,
obviously in the South, the band is huge, so we
weren We're gonna show up and show out. So I
was like, you know, this is my chance to show
the world my imagination and what I'd be thinking about
my head when it comes to duncan now you to
to talk about that dunk contest and then to think
it was twenty years ago? How does that make you feel?
That ship was twenty exactly exactly. And I still get chilled.

(01:06:49):
I still get chills, and I'm still like, man, what
was I thinking? When? When? When? When? I No, that's crazy.
Some of his teammates were even born that bro team,
it's weren't even born yet. Think about that. Yeah, you
know what I mean, like that ship is insane. So
it's just funny to kind of here and and see
it and to just to think of all what transpired

(01:07:11):
and and think once Kenny gave me that nine, and
I was like, Okay, all right, I gotta step this
up a little bit. Huh, okay, I gotta get it in.
I didn't want the competition to be close. I but
that's why I wanted team back in there, because I
knew he would push me, uh to do it because
he he had like his dunk His dunks were crazy,
stupid bound and that's what that's what pushed me to
the next level. Did seeing what Steve Frances did, Like

(01:07:33):
we forget about what Steve Friants was doing. He killing Hey,
do y'all remember anything that Ricky Davis did. Didn't? Did
he go between the legs and he did back up
crazy back but nobody remembers that. But that's what I'm saying.
Seeing that, I was like, Okay, I gotta step it up.
So the arm in the rim came like this. I
played in Gary Payton game and I was in the
land line. I was jumping over the rim and I

(01:07:54):
did it in the warm up too. But I jumping
over the rim and I was just dropping the ball
in and I was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna do that,
but I gotta add something to it. So I'm gonna
just trying to hang. I've never done it, but I
didn't know how to do it. I ain't gonna buy
something all. He's right, you know how to do its
dunk my fucking Let me dunck my fucking arm real quick, right.

(01:08:17):
So the last thing, the last thing I remember leaving
my coach, Butch Carter said, don't go out there and
break your damn arm in your legs. That's what he
said to me. So when I'm standing up the rim
before I about the jug there, like, bro, please don't
fall off this room, I was buying time like I
didn't know what to do, how to do it, so
when I walked it off, but I wanted to show.
So what I wanted to show you is that how
high I can jump. I want to show that I

(01:08:38):
could get my arm a butter rim and then you
know the rest is history. I wanted to kind of
hang up there, and I don't want you to say, oh,
I want you to be like what the fuck what
I yeah, and I want you to realize what happened
when you looked at that that jumper trump because they've
never seen it. It didn't get the initial because people like,

(01:09:01):
what did he just do? And that's what I wanted.
That's what that ship reminded me of. What was the movie?
What's the movie with? Uh? The Tropic Thunder? What's the
movie semi pro when they when they first when they
first threw the alley, you and Mothercker's didn't know how
to read like that was like, what did he just do?

(01:09:22):
Like yeah, he's like that's when he's like, that's the
foul that's two points. Yeah, it was that. It was
that kind of awe though, like people like, did he
just stick his fucking dunk his arm and hang up there?
That's what I want. So if you notice when I
walk away, I had my eyes closed, just making sure
it was quiet and the arena and I just started laughing, yeah,

(01:09:43):
because after that's what I wanted, Like they're gonna be like, oh,
so that was that dunk and then between the legs
dunks or the two that made up that night was
the one though when it was over, we so so
that's the crazy thing about every time. Every time I
look at that dug, like I look at the first
four dugs. Oh no, so yeah, between the legs. So

(01:10:06):
I said it was over because like I'm trying dunks
for the first time, making up tonight, and I'm making
these on the first try. It's old. It's over. That's
what out. Now I'm trying to push the envelope a
little bit. I saw that in between the legs in
East Bay Magazine for the Jump Souls member the Jump Souls,

(01:10:29):
you know when I was in the East Bay magazine
because it comes from the East Bay Gangster. Yeah, I
saw that picture, right. I saw that picture. So I
was like, I'm gonna try that. But they said you
got to use the teammate. So I was like, all right,
uh t, Max, just gotta drop bounce the ball off
the bounce. Yeah, And we never practiced. He was like,

(01:10:50):
cause what you're about to do? I said, just bounced
the ball, get hell out of the way. He bounced.
He's like, what he bounced it the first time. He
bounced it too high because I didn't know where to
bounce it out high I need, I said, just bounce
it waist height. That seemed logical. To me waist height,
so I can just catch it and then put it
between the last said, bounce the ball and walk out
the way. And if you look at you see him

(01:11:11):
bounced the ball and he looked back like what is
he doing? And that's how I came up with it.
I never tried in my life, so I didn't know
if I was can make it or not. And that's
where the point came when I did that, because I'm like, oh,
that's what That's what it was. I was like, brother,
Gods is on my side. The dunk Gods, it's over.
So so I did you same boat? Steal that from you?

(01:11:37):
That's all I'm saying I did in two Hey, alright,
that's his ship now. I don't know if it did
it first. Yeah, that's cool. Y. So talk about teaming
up with Kate, with kg Ray, Allen Peyton, Jason Kidd
and the gold medal team. It was a dream come
true for me. Man. It was talked about obviously my

(01:12:00):
ninety two and the Dream Team, and then you had
Dream Team too. Then comes us in two thousand and
the funny thing about it, guys, I wasn't on the
initial team. I didn't make it so Shack was supposed
to be on that team, Grant Hill was supposed to
be on that team, and I'm missing another because I
think Grant was hurt or Shack. I know Shack was
hurt as well. Tim du Tim Duncan was supposed to

(01:12:20):
be on the team, and then Tom Google YadA got hurt,
so Ray Allen. Ray Allen actually made the team over me,
and we played each other that night in Toronto forty seven.
But it had nothing listen listening, you see, I just
say that matter seven. But it was one of those

(01:12:45):
things I wanted to show more so it had nothing
to do with here. I wanted to show the Olympic
folks that you know I'm working right that to be
on that squad, I hit my first eight shots. I
was eight eight from the beginning, I was just in
another zone where I was in another zone. And in
weeks later, Tom Google out and gets hurt. I get
that call would you like to be? Would I like
to be? Yeah? So I missed the original team, the

(01:13:08):
original photo. I was photoshop then, so when you see
that picture like on me on that I had to
take a picture and then to get photoshop there right.
So from there I had. I was like, I gotta go,
I had to go earn my way. But it was
it was all worth it, man. It was fun. It
was great. You know. I was going through some ups
and downs in my life. Really, That's why I had

(01:13:29):
the Frow and all that. Me and GP rocking the
throw out. There was something different, something different that was
my favorite outside. I mean the dunk did the gold medal.
My favorite part was seeing Vince with the frow everything.
But I was angry. I was angry for a lot
of reasons, man like because like that was during the

(01:13:49):
time that Mac had left. The media was trying to
put us against each other, which wasn't the case. So
you know, I was just like, let me just go
out here and ball, and I got that chance. Just say,
the dunk contest happened at the end of thee and
then and then comes which at that time, the Olympics
flowed right into the season. So the season started right
after that and I ended up getting hurt, you know,
because we didn't really get that much time off. It's

(01:14:11):
not like it is now. But so being in the Olympics, bro,
it's just like I'm here, man, there was gout and
have fun and obviously playing with like Jay Kidd and
Tim Hardaway and GP with point guards. He was like, bro,
young fella. You know, I'm one of the younger guys
out there, me and Sharif go get it. Yeah, he's
a young fellow. You know. GP ain't talking with to
you young fellers. So anytime you half way over, but
I'm throwing all right. The rest was history, just making history,

(01:14:33):
just doing some crazy stuff. And then the dump happen,
making a real favorite moment. Frederick Wise jumped over a
seven for what were you think that you came so
dreaming it? You know we're not a dreamaline. Yes, I
don't want to short change. And he was seven to

(01:14:54):
ship talk. But when he turned it head it put
him seven feet, so it was he was legit seven.
But so it happened. You know, when you're playing in
the in the offstar again, sometimes like shots are few
and far between. It just all depends if you'll let
you roll them. But it was one of those things.
He threw the ball behind his back. I get to

(01:15:15):
steal while everybody running transition. I see it, I see
the rim, I don't see him. I see the rep.
So I said one too took a dribble and I
just I ain't pay attention to where I was jumping from.
So you know, the paint is different than the NBA.
It's a different Yeah, it's wider. So in my mind,
so when I jumped, I see him and all I remember,

(01:15:36):
God's my witness. All I remember is touching his shoulder
with my left arm. I'm focused on the rim because
I thought I jumped too far. So in my mind,
I'm thinking I'm about to get hung and make a
spright commercial brook like too far. But I was just
trying to get up before the defense get back. You
gotta pass it, set it up, blah blah blah. So
I just attacked the rim. So when I jumped, I

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hit him. I didn't think about here no more. I
thought he moved out of the way or he tried
to take a charge and fell down, because I remember
the initial bump and that's it. I'm focused on the rim.
So when I get so, if you go back and
look at it, I stretch out because I'm reaching for
the rid because I thought I was too far. But
I ended up dunking the ball with my wrists because
I was I've actually had enough you know flight time.

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You know what I'm saying. I had some air miles,
so I had enough. So when I hit the rim
my celebration would almost punched KG. I was celebrating that.
I wasn't celebrating that I jumped over because I didn't know.
That was my favorite. That was my favorite part of
the dug saying you and KG, because j right, we
were celebrating two totally different things. That was just crapy.

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I was like, yeah, made it. He's like yeah, but
I'm like yeah, But I adin't know I jumped over
buddy until after the game. After the game, not knowing
you jumped over a seven footer seven two, I mean whatever.
And when I didn't know, so the rest of the game,
nobody said the word. So I asked Steve Smith. I said, Smithy,

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how come you ain't saying nothing? Like nobody said nothing
the rest of the game, and say, brother, we still
didn't believe you just jumped over a person. Oh that
means all right, that's fair. So after the game, Gary
Payton Homeboy showed me on the camp quarter. That's when
the little camp quarters just came out a little small Yeah,
they just came out that summer and and and that's
how I saw it. I watched it seven times, like

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wait what yeah? Hey, I tried to jump over due
six five later on in the season, like in the
middle season, couldn't do it. Almost died, almost almost killed
both of us dead. Serious? Was your shoe? If I'm
not mistaken, you introduced the Nike shocks? Right? Was that
new to you? Here's a funny story to that. I

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could not wear I could not wear Nike shoes and
it be shown so I could wear him in practice,
But when the media came in for interviews during the practices,
I had to take my shoes off. When I were
the games, all my Nike shoes were cut out, all
the Nike symbols were cut out. So I was playing
in the Olympics up until the gold medal game with
holes in my shoes. So the gold medal game is

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when I first was able to show the Nike shots.
And and that's when the first time I was officially
a Nike athlete. But you brought the shot? Was the
shock technology? I'm talking about the technology? Were you the
first one to get that on your shoes? Right? Yeah? Yeah?
So they had it done. They just didn't have anybody
to kind of go with the whole boying type thing,
and you know you were doing you were definitely a

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boy and gass motherfucker boy. Yeah, I mean it made sense.
So I was like, it was like, yeah, when I
saw the technology, I was like, bro, this is a
no brainer. I'm in. So you touched on it a
little bit, like you said, a lot of frustration things
leading up to the Olympics. Um, after that. Now, when

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when the dust is settled, your cousin is gone, you guys,
you know after only two years, do you guys, what
do you feel if you guys could have got on
the same page at the same time, you guys could
have accomplished as one of the young, up and coming
wing duos in the league. We've talked about it, man,
We talked about it later on. Um, I was gonna
say after our career, but you know, when when he
was done, I mean and just talking about like, man,

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what if? Man? It could have been? But we were
we were building something, and we played the Knicks and
we got swept that year and then that's when he
left the next year and we ended up winning. But
you see what t Mac became, Man, and and and
for me leading up into it, and he just wanted
his opportunity to be if you would, batman and to me,
I was like, brother, were both Batman, like, we could

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do this together. And and you know, it was just
the time where he wanted to be. When you when
you draw something in the in the in the huddle,
if you wanted for him, and if you gotta defer,
you gotta defer. So I understood it, like, and it
was no hard time. I hate to see him go,
but everybody made it something different, and you know, and
he became a monster like like for real like and

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he and I felt like he was a monster already,
so I could. I was just like me doing what
I'm doing, him doing what he's doing, bro Like and
then you know, you know, when you're winning, you see
potentially like that, free agents want to come play. And
I felt like good things could have happened. Man, It's
just like what if? What if? And you know we
both said, bro, we we possibly could have had a
ring or two. Um just because of it. Y'all have

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some good you guys have some good solid teams. If
you would have kept him, definitely you touched on it. Earlier.
We got a chance just recently to speak to John
Wall and Bradley Beale and how the media is trying
to draw a wedge between them and this crazy Instagram
climate where you know, social media kind of rules. This
was pre social media, obviously, but they tried to do
the same thing with you guys. Like I said, they
tried to flip the narrative, trying to make it seem

(01:20:38):
like you guys didn't like each other. What was your
guy's relationship during that time? We were tight. We were tight,
man like. We were still like, still communicating. It was
funny for for a brief moment, like when it came out,
because it came out like they'll do an interview and
they'll take pieces of it and it's edited to where
I it it comes out negative. So we didn't talk
for a couple of months, and then after while I
was like, I can't imagine him saying what I'm reading

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or what y'all name he said. So we talked and
he was like, bron I didn't even say that. He
was like, cause I didn't say that. He was like,
and then it was like, now we look like y'all foolish.
So even so they didn't know. Behind the scenes, we
already talked. So now as these stories go on, we're talking.
So when you hear the bullshit, you're like, no, Bro,
now he didn't say that, you know why because I

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just talked to him. So that kind of killed that.
But every time we played against each other, Bro, he
he was trying to dog me. I was trying to
dog him because it was just made good competition and
that's what we did it. And when we were playing
pick up, like especially when you playing against your family
and in professional sports, but like we're cool, but like
this this is this is for good bragging rights. And
I remember the one time, the one game we played

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in Orlando and I couldn't play that game and he
threw the ball off the blackboard and dumped that thing
at me. Bro y'all remember y'all remember that? And everybody
was like, oh, he showed events up on the court.
That was j y D who had the headband on
number thirteen foods. I've been wanting to say that. I
didn't want to say that for a long time. Bro,
that wouldn't even me. But I wasn't even on the court.

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That wasn't me. But he threw it on the backboard
and dump that thing. And he looked at me. I
was like, you know, he's the lean on them. So
that's what I'm saying. So I want to give him
his credit because you know, when I threw the ball
off the backboard in the All Star Game, I want
to say that was Denver. It was like all of it,
but t mac was one of the first to do that. Man,
one of the first to do it in the league.
That people, you know, don't really give him credit for him.

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And he used to catch and lean on that motherfucker
just look on that nasty. Yeah. So you're you're making
truck constant, you know, progress every year. You're you know,
you're you're you're getting better, You're elevating your game. Two
thousand one season, you know, the year after he left,
you're after nearly twenty eight points of game. The Raptors
win forty seven games. Fifth seed. You knocked the Knicks
out in the first round, and then you have a

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knockdown drag out right finally you have a knockdown, drag
out battle with AI in the second round. Talk to
us about that about that second round series. To this day,
that was one of the greatest, the best battles I've
ever been in high school. Otherwise, I mean, I don't care.
You know, you play your hot, your your rivals or whatever.
Outside of the Duke Carolina robbery. Bro that that was

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one of the most epic battles I've been in. Um,
we know what a I can do. Y'all know what
a I can do because y'all have been around, y'all
played against him. You know, it's it doesn't do him
any justice of us or anyone who's played against him
talking about it, because when you played against him, like
he was a real it was just back and forth.
And I want to say, we won game one, and
and I had a good game, and that man responded

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with like fifty something like oh, okay, that's what we're doing.
That's what we're doing, so and and and it just
he just took that game to the next level. Man,
He took the he took the series to the next level.
And I responded, obviously with fifty right, and yeah, we scored,
he scored. I think I scored scored forty six. Once
did he responded with the fifties. So it was just

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crazy back and forth, like that's what It goes back
to what we talked about earlier about I want to
do for my team. Man, let me go out there
like I love. I love to sit in the stage.
I love the big the big games and stuff. And
you know something, you know, unfortunately don't get a chance
to really play on the big, big stage like some
of somebody else to both of y'all, but um, that's

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what it was about, man. It was just playing against
the best and showcasing what you can do and where
I felt like that was the best basketball I've ever
played because I was just in a groove and it
was tough getting beat on the tumbo, trying to get
past my tumbo. You know what I'm saying, when you
beat your guy whatever it was, it was crazy, bro,
It was just crazy. Yeah. I think I think about

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the All Star Game that year when it was Ai, Tea,
Mac mar Barry and somebody else and uh and Vince
and and there was four guards at the five DC one.
Yeah it was you. It was you, Tracy, Ai Steph
and you had another guard. It was small ball. I
played the I played in the Rookie Game that year,

(01:24:57):
but that was that was my favorite All Star game
because they played y'all played small ball gets a big
Western conference and came back and won that game. They
had like kg they had ever. Yeah, yeah, I remember
that played good. But what you're talking about you and Mark,
you and obviously going at it. Yeah, I was able

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to play together and which I was able to do together.
That was good to see. That was dope. That serious.
Like I said, in that second round series, you know,
you averaged over thirty, he averaged over third. You guys
both dropped fifty. Game seven comes down to game seven,
you do something that probably made every parent in America smile.
H You made a promise to your mom that you
were going to get your degree. Graduation happened to be

(01:25:39):
that morning. You fly to North Carolina, get your degree,
come back, and you get the last shot of the
And I feel like all that it would have never
been a big deal at all. You would have gone
down as a hero. They hit a game winning shot
and got your degree in the same day. But you
barely missed that last dropper, and then all the scrutiny
comes talk to us about that. So it was disappointing

(01:26:00):
because I go through uh, well, leading up to it,
I knew I had a decision to make it. It's like, okay,
if it drags on. Uh, you know, I knew May
twenty was was coming. That's the day it all took place.
And uh what my mom was like, what you're gonna do?
I was like, I'm gonna do both. You know, I'm
gonna fulfill my my requirements for both, you know. And
I made sure because I graduated at nine o'clock that morning.

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The game was at seven till seven pm, and I
walked through one until twelve, so I was back in time.
I made it. But I asked every player on that team,
you know, if they had a problem with it, man
the man, face to face, saying what you gotta say,
speak your piece. I'm going. I'm going. I did practice
after practice, I'm flying out there. I'll already be there
the next morning. I'm walking across that stage to get

(01:26:43):
my degree, which means, you know, which is important to
to my family because I come from a family to educated.
Everybody in my family, our school teachers, everyone. You know
what I'm saying, So, uh, do you have a problem
with it? I went to every man and or everyone
in the organization. Now, now that's what something Why don't
you back in time back. As soon as I get
to get there, a couple of players on the team
has something to say in the media. So it was

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it was disappointed to kind of pissed me off a
little bit. I was like, you know, I'm a young guy,
y'all speak up like I would. I came to you,
man to man, It's like, I ain't just leaving, leaving
to you whatever, say it now. That's what I wanted.
And I was prepared for some of the some guys
who have a problem with it, and nobody had a
problem with it. But nevertheless, you know, I got past that, graduated,
made it back, and you start hearing all, you know,

(01:27:27):
the reporters and all of these experts are talking about
jet lag and it's no way that he can play
in the game and play well with that. So you know,
at first, you know, you start buying into that. So
the first couple of minutes down the down the court,
my legs felt heavy, heavy, and I missed the first
I was like, oh, ship, maybe they're right, maybe maybe
they're right. And but I stepped out of it and

(01:27:48):
played played well. I mean, I played very solid game,
uh and and got down to that last shot. So
I remember going into the hut, I said, I told us,
I said, I said, nah, let me give it here,
let me me get it. So originally the play was
a zipper basically up to the top of the floor,
so it's wide open, so I can go left, the right,
do what I had to do. Tyrone Hill we all

(01:28:08):
know the great Tyrone Hill and you know his history.
But anyway, he denies the ball. So I get the
ball in the corner and took that one puff faith
to swing through to the perfect shot, to the shot
I shot it. You know, I'm a faid of way shooter.
You know, if y'all know me, you know I can't
shoot it on ballot shot. That's just don't work. That's
just not what I do. And uh, it felt like
a perfect shot. So halfway through in the air, I'm like,

(01:28:30):
oh that's good. So for all the people talk ship
and got something to say when this, when this go in,
I'm thinking about what I'm gonna do. I don't either
go run the stands and be like I'm gonna jump
on the stand Remember, like, like, yeah, what what I did?
Both So halfway I was like, oh, here we go.

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Second half of that shot. You play the game, you
know when your shot long or short or good. Yeah,
I'm like, oh, this is long, so I'm hoping for
the backgrim bounce up and bounce in, hits the back
of the rim, bouncing, bounce it off, And all I
could do it just hold my head up high and
kind of just laugh at it. Like man, when I
made the decision, I was prepared for either either way,

(01:29:13):
make or miss. And I was ready, like right after
what they looked at me, like you want to wait
for you? You do your media, now, let's let's go.
Like I made my decision. I'm gonna stand by it.
You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna standing by it,
like and and it's a shot that you know it
bothered me. I ain't gonna lie to you. It bothered me,
but I was willing to take whatever scrutiny they had
for me. And when we got back to Toronto that night,

(01:29:33):
I went straight to the gym and I knocked that
shot down ten times just to make sure. You know
what I'm saying. You've made, you made, before, you made, after,
you made plenty of times you just happen to miss that.
But the fact that you did something early in the morning.
They want to point it, Okay, well he wasn't this,
he wasn't that. But to meet that shot, and exactly
that's what they always do. It's what they gotta do.
You mean, but you to me, you hit that shot,

(01:29:55):
you move on. It's goddamn amazing. Vince Carter wouldn't graduated.
Then he came back and hit the game, win and
shot again. That that's the narrative, the whole another narrative,
you know what I mean, a whole another there does
do thinks with things not have got sour in Toronto
after that. I'm not saying I'm not saying that led
to your accent, because I'm hoping you tell us what
led to your accent. But I'm saying the whole scenario

(01:30:16):
changes now, you know. I mean, you're you're still a
superhero out there, you know, I mean, but it's so eating.
It all happened like that, and it's just like it's
one shot. So if I make that shot. Sixers go
on to play Big Dog and and and and ray
uh against Milwaukee in the in the in the conferences,
they go on to play the Lakers. We felt whoever

(01:30:38):
came out of that series against the Sixers could possibly
play in the finals. So I'm watching the finals like
it should have been us. One freak, yeah exactly. You know,
one shot away from a great opportunity. You just don't know. Obviously,
you know, we could go up there and laying against Milwaukee.
But it's just like at that time, we just felt
like that was our moment. So, you know, you go
through the seasons and a couple injuries and and and

(01:31:02):
you know, you get to the point now they're bringing
Chris Bosh in and things starting to change, and they
kind of want to move to Chris being the franchise player.
So I was like, that's cool. It is what it is.
It's a business. I get it. It's that's one thing
about me, bro, like and everybody, you know, everybody different.
You know, they were looking for me to to act

(01:31:22):
the fool in the locker rooms and and and and
do do whatever. That wasn't my thing. Bro. I'm like, bro,
you I'm hooping. This is what I love to do.
Just let me who I don't care about all the
other stuff that not all that that that pouting and
and being in the locker room and acting the fool
and and and that that wasn't my thing, and that
that that's what they wasn't gonna get out of me.

(01:31:42):
So uh and my whole thing was like, you don't
want to move into Chris Bosh and into being the guy.
That's fine, I say, if y'all don't want me here,
just move me. And it just became an ugly situation.
And so when it actually happened, we're playing the Pacers
that night in Indiana, and prior to that, the GM
made he rest in peace. Uh he he um. He

(01:32:04):
told uh told my agent that nobody called, there was
no interest, nobody was really interested. Okay, cool, take my
nap and wake up to seventy two calls and text.
I mean I'm talking about like literally it went from
nobody was interested to two hours later, I just got
traded to the next. So I'm just like, bro, what's good? Like, okay, cool, um,

(01:32:26):
what do I do? I ain't never been in that like,
but I you know, I wasn't even thinking about no movement.
I just like, like, if y'all don't need me, if
y'a don't want me anymore, Like I ain't trying to
be no problem, just getting rid of the problem if
I'm the problem. When they got rid of the problem,
but the problem, it made it look like I was
a problem. Like basically, they just made it look like,
you know, I didn't want to be there. I didn't
want to play. It got to the point where I
was starting games uh Me and Jalen. The next thing,

(01:32:48):
you know, I come right out the game. And if
you know, if you're a real player, you know you
can't get no rhythm if you playing a couple of
minutes and then sitting right down. That's just that's just
how the game, especially if you're used to playing big minutes,
especially for you. That's what I'm trying to say, right,
So it was just weird how well and it was
just like how do you react to that? And then
you come back in out of rhythm? So it just

(01:33:08):
looked bad. And I it was at the point, I
don't win the battle in the media. What do I
go to the media saying say what when when you
got them saying I can't, I can't, I don't win that.
So I just had to be patient and take my lumps.
So bro I took lumps for nine years, ten years,
and I was like one of these days. Next thing,
you know, it's just other people just started to understand
and catch window hide. It all took place. And let

(01:33:30):
me say it's real quick. It was no oart feelings.
But it's like, it's a business. I was introduced to
the business the first night of my career, so I
knew what it was, you know what I'm saying. So
I know it's a business. You know, I love this game.
And you know that's one thing they don't tell you
get drafted in the NBA. It's like, oh, I made it.
I made it to the game of basketball. It's born
in the game of basketball. You got in. You just
made to the business of basketball. So it was a business.

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And I was hurt. So I had a bad achilles
from from you know, you know, my shoes or whatever.
But we'll just leave at that. And uh, you know
that I was wearing and so I was down. So
when I got back and was able to play as
a new Jersey net, I had something to prove bro
because they was like, oh, he don't love the game,

(01:34:11):
like you're telling me, I don't love the game after
what you've seen me do for five six years. Like that.
That was like when you tell me that I don't
love the game. That's that's one thing that I can't handle.
And especially if you look now years later or whatever,
fifteen years later, that that's the one thing I love
to do. At this age, I love the game. Basketball
is life. That's what we do. That's why we talk

(01:34:32):
about this thing to this day because we love it.
And that was a questioning. I couldn't handle that. So
it all worked out and got that opportunity in New Jersey.
Now I'm playing with j kids. So they're like, oh,
how come he didn't do that? How come you wasn't
doing that with with with the Toronto Raptors. Bro. I
also didn't have Jason Kidd throwing throw him there. Ever,

(01:34:53):
let's be real about it, like come on, like, let's
let's look at it. Call of spade to spade, Like,
Jason Kidd is my point guard. Bro. You you turn
around on the break, you look up the ball already there? Yep?
Come on, man? Like yes, now as a score, all
you mean all I gotta do is just score. I
ain't gotta beat my man all the time. Oh man,
come on, let's be real. What was it like playing

(01:35:14):
with Jay Kid? Because I think he's someone that gets
lost in the mix too, But he's one of the
greatest point guards we've ever seen. I've ever seen, man,
And I've been fortunate enough to play with a couple
of them, and I'll talk about that later on. But um,
you know, play with j Kid the first day, I'm
obviously playing against them and All Star Games or whatever.
But and we played in the Olympics. But the first

(01:35:35):
day he said, hey, man, he said, don't get mad
at me because the first our first game, I'm throwing
you alive and I'm just gonna see how high. That's
the first thing he said. That's the first thing he
said to me. So the first game he throws me
a love that basically was at the top of the
backboard where it was like, all right, bro, But me
being me, I'm gonna try gotten that bit. You know,

(01:35:56):
I got my hand on so I missed the first
one went out about he said, Okay, so you're willing
to You're just willing to try anything. Yeah, So it
just makes exactly I was like, bro, and then and
then what made it, um more fun is that so
you run the court. So if you run in the court,
you know J K gonna throw me the love. Everybody

(01:36:17):
gonna shift that way. But guess what, there was that
other high jumping dude on the other side by the
name of Argent. You I'm saying, So the game just
got easier because it's now you got another athlete, another dunker.
The game is open. It's just a different squad. I'm
not playing with the squad that I played with, so
it's a different, different team. So it was It was fun. Man.
It just gave me new life and I just wanted
to go out there and show that I still belonged,

(01:36:39):
that still you know, deserved to be and can be
one of the best players out there. So we were
pretty much out of the playoffs and we we ended
up getting the a C that year and ended up
playing the Miami Heat. M So that's that's a young
That's when Wade and Shock first teamed up O five.
They swept you guys in the first round, uh to
to two thousand and six, you go up against Indiana

(01:37:02):
in the first round of six games and you guys
knocked uh Jack's team out. What do you guys remember
about that series? Man? Knocked down drag out. Like you said,
it was the inspected. So it was still the old
East physical you know what I'm saying, Like y'all had,
uh what's a j point guard? Big point guard? Uh?
Just had They had a bunch of defenders. And it
was just it was just like what we know, like

(01:37:25):
watching the Last Dance. That's what it was like. It
was in your face. I don't care about you, you
don't care about me. We're gonna play hard. I'm expected them.
But I knew if I didn't hit Jack first, he's
gonna hit me. You know. We're trying to get that.
We're trying to get to the next round. And that's
what it was all about. So I think we had
a young Danny Granger that time. YE show did. So

(01:37:46):
I was seeing like different guys, like you know if
if I was trying my best to get one guy
in foul trouble, guess what. So it was crazy, I
bet you do. You remember how how we won the series?
The last game I want to say it was, I
think it was game six. We beat him in six, right,
so I wanted one. I won the game went on

(01:38:08):
the left hand dunk on jail. I don't know if
that was the game. Remember that dunk I remember that.
I remember that. That was one of the first times
of me duncan left handed. You know, I don't. I
don't really dunk left handed that much? Was that for
the game wanted too? Yeah? That was a game winner ship. Yeah,
so that was my first, Like I was one of
the first times, like like, I have a lot of

(01:38:30):
respect for shot blockers, and you know, I had a
dunk list and I was trying to dunk on whatever.
So to be able to dunk on somebody like Joe
and I know Jail everything and he's strong with it too,
so you know, to be able to pull that off
on that on that level, it was cool. So then
you guys, after you guys beat Indiana, you guys run
into the heat again on their way to their title

(01:38:51):
talked to us a little bit about what that young
d d Way was a fucking monster in them and
then down before you start on the way, please tell
let people know how cold this motherfucker was, because now
we're watching this last Dance ship and people trying to
say that Lebron never played with a piper where the
Way was finals any people from Lebron got there, So

(01:39:12):
talk about d Way, But please a monster he was
he had shot who shot and who was killing? Who
was dominating? But bro, like we couldn't. Okay, so we
we we played uh game one and we won game one.
Don't understand we beat them game one and we we
made an adjustment to where uh we put cliff Robinson

(01:39:34):
on shot that wasn't an adjustment then, well, yeah, what
because Jason Collins was kind of getting used and used
Cliffer dog yeah, and shot respect where he wasn't really
going through him and you know the elbows that shocked

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like to throw where he going to the basket. And
it was working for us, and we spread the court
and Cliffy was shooting the three. So we win game one.
He's like, okay, we got him back. We're gonna get swept.
We got these boys back. Five well, leading in the
game to my boy uncle Cliffy, Um, you know got
suspended for being dirty. Yeah, my boy, that's my guy,

(01:40:16):
that's my bad man during the playoffs. That's man. He
came to his house the night before and you know,
and he got suspended. And then they proceeded to four
owe us uh and we're using five and I didn't
even know that crazy. Yeah, So man, that boy d
Wade was just next level hitting shots. And you know

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at the time, you know, you didn't consider him a
great shooter, so you you're playing them for the drive.
But did he started doing everything in a Wade track,
pick and roll. Once he got back to the left
hand man, it's over. Change the direction was unbelievable, unbelievable
because remember you always wanted to force him, You always
wanted to force him to the screen. But just like Genobli,

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he would get back to that baseline and there was
he was you dunk on you post. It was killing
good at it, man, and he knew how to use
his body. So once he got by shock, he crossed
the back over while you're still trying to get over shack. Yeah,
and there gonna do about that, bro. You know what
I'm saying. I can talk basketball like this to y'all.
You know what I'm talking. You know what I'm talking about.

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You know what I'm saying, Like it was impossible. And
once he got that still, like you said, he was
either dunking year old, drawing the foul, or doing all
the above. So problem. So you've been known from putting
people on posters, obviously with the dunk of the Olympics,
the Alonzo Morning dunk in two thousand and five. Just
walk us through that sequence, because that could be one
of the sickest chest to chest face dunk on your

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motherfucking ass we've ever seen. So two thousand five, we're
playing at Miami and the first quarter the game starts
and I go, baseline, boom dunk on Zoe. Alright, cool, whatever,
you know, when you dunk on Zo, you better be
happy because Zoe coming back. Hen, That's just what it is.
Two plays later, r J boom dunk on him, So
we both dunker him in the first half. That's it

(01:42:04):
go we get the halftime. I'm sitting in the locker room,
I said r J. Literally, I said this, this is
my worst I said, r J. When you gonna be
in the duncle's Zoe again, because he's gonna knock us
out the air. He ain't going, So I said, what
you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to take
the hit, bounce off of, and then hopefully you can
dunk it. God's on his truth. So second half comes,

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the ball goes out, r J tries to make a
lamp gets bumped out I get the ball, go behind
the back of my boy j will On Bubbs, and
I take two dribbles. So I took the first dribble
and I see the baskets, I see Zoe, so he's
sitting there like, yeah, okay, I'm about to block it.
But you know, Jason Collins was so smart, but so
you don't know. He was holding zose On so he
couldn't go. And as I took my second dribble, he

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let him go. So as soon as he let him go,
Zoe was already too late. So once I got in
the air, bro, he jumped at me. So I'm up.
He jumping at me already have the momentum because I
got up first. So when hire when he hit me,
he bumps me up higher. So so when I hit
him and I'm leading to the side, I'm like, oh, ship,
the rim is right there. So I'm like, bro, don't

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miss it. I'm like, bro, don't miss this. This is
an opportunity. So I just caught it. And I just
remember I was so high. I just threw it through
and I remember running down the court like so fell
bad and I was I just look at our bitch
like and I ran down the court and then and
then the wait was siding. He's like that ain't right, bro,
I know him saying that I laughed, but I tried

(01:43:32):
to play it like I was tough, like you know,
I was like, I'm in me muggy. But he said that,
but that body had been the funniest thing ever. Like
his teammate got buked. He's like, ain't right, it's one
of them. Just when it happened, everybody running around the
house was running around the house. Oh God, like what
just happened? Man? It was there was there any truth

(01:43:53):
that you guys didn't talk for like six or seven
years after that was Man, it was like five years
so so so and I and see here's a crazying
I heard. I saw his response somewhere. He's like, it
wasn't true. I ain't got no reason to lie about it.
But like it was a basketball play, you know what
I'm saying. It's not like we said him up like
trying to jump on it was just like he tried

(01:44:13):
to block it. It happened, okay. But I think the
backstory to it is a commercial was trying to be
what they were trying to do a commercial with that
Uh Like he tried to use a commercial and ask
for his permission. He didn't want it to be done.
Uh So they ran the commercial up until the point
to where we bumped and before I dunked it and

(01:44:34):
they cut it off. Damn. So they used that much
of it, and I guess he felt like I had
something to do with it. I ain't gonna do that
the first time you've been dunk. Don't've been dunk don't
by everybody. And I had dunked him my rookie year,
and I flexed on him like he's like, you don't,
fella calmed down. That's how young fellas get hurt. I
was like, my bad, you know what I'm saying, Like
I ain't stopped, you know what I'm saying. It was

(01:44:55):
one of those type of things. So so leading up
to us how it was like five years so All
Star Games Land though right All Star Gaming Orlando, uh
is I helped. I hosted a dinner for Obama at
my house and guests to coming in. Is only seventy people,
doorbell rained, door open, you know, somebody open the door.
I'm saying at the front, like greeting people, and I

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see O. I was like, okay, so how are we
gonna play this one? Because he ain't talked to me
in all these years, like you go walking in my house,
keep going on, not like something I don't know. So
I'm just waiting to because you know, it's like all right,
I'm you know, clearly you don't want to talk for
whatever reason. So it's all good because al right, prior
to we sat in the restaurant in Miami at Prime

(01:45:37):
one twelve and see each other and he didn't speak.
Maybe he didn't see me and not we were facing
each other, but maybe he didn't see me whatever, So
I didn't know how this was gonna play out. So
that's why I was like in for five years. And
finally when he walked in, we smoked, hug. It was
all good, Like we talked, was like like nothing never happened,
and I was like cool, whatever, it's a basketball play,
so it is what it is. And I didn't want
him and he probably never I probably I never actually

(01:45:59):
said that, but I think I personally think that's what
led to him being frustrated or not talked to me
because maybe he felt like I had something to do
with that commercial and I didn't and Yeah, that's something
I've read. That's what I'm saying. It already the word
I've seen it already, bro, And that was my point.

(01:46:21):
So like that's what I was like. It was a
basketball play. Like if you block it, yo, that's your highlight.
Now we see sports and like he he floored because
if he blocked that, I'm hitting the floor. You know
what I'm saying. So it is what it is. He
gonna get mad again because we're gonna I'm gonna make
sure they edit this. Uh so we get that on
the edits that we put on Instagram. So it was

(01:46:50):
it was a cool dumb bro. Like I'll tell you, like,
I ain't never like you know, when you feel like
you're floating and then people like, oh, you're always floating out,
But that's the next level float because I started going
higher when I wasn't prepared to go high. But that's
a scary feeling. I have never jumped as high as you,
but I've dunked and got hit on the way up
and got hired. And that's scary for that one split
second because you're not expecting to be that guy and

(01:47:10):
knowing where the ring is at. So I've only how
many times in my life? Right, you've done it all
the time, But for motherfucker's that don't fly like you
when you go up and someone hits you and propels
you just a little bit hard. That's a scary feeling.
It don't happen to me once twice. But I used
to like it because now I know where it feels
like to be that high, right, to be up there
like you do it on my own. Yeah, that's all

(01:47:32):
I'm saying. It happened to me a couple of times,
and that ship is scary. But so we've talked about
legendary dunker throughout your career. Who were your top five
dunk on? So we talked about the Olympic one, we
talked about Zoe or those in your top five that
you remember if you're dunk of your career? What are
another three? Number Tumbo Frederick Bce. So I'll tell you

(01:47:53):
what I don't don't Patrick Ewing, And I don't know why,
but that was like one of the happiest moment. I
typically didn't didn't run home to watch Sports Center, But
when I don't don't. When I don't know Patrick Ewing,
I felt like that I just accomplished something major that
I ran home, was like, oh, I gotta see this,
because like he was considered one of the He wasn't
the elite dunkers, I mean shot blockers of the of

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the world, but he was on one of my on
my list still still. And then and then I dumped
on h I dun my guy a larger one two
hands for a game winner. Uh when he was when
he was in Houston, so he was playing for the Rockets,
you know, he was my teammate also in Toronto a

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couple of years later, and that you still I don't
know him to two hands like body for the game.
So that was one of my favorite. And then um,
yeah I got something. I guess, um, that's that's fine

(01:48:55):
right there. I think what that one it was? It
was no nobody, That's what I'm gonna say. I can't.
I can't I count that because I did. I dumped.
I jumped under the rim and dunking backwards. Is that
when you went by Chris Mullen, you went by Chris Basine, right,
So I did. I dumped on the other side for
fear that Dale Davis was gonna take there. So that's

(01:49:17):
why I dumped on the other side, and after the
game he said, I like you. That's why I sucked
you up. His words, Man, you jumped. You jumped so high.
Them niggas jumped out the frame. They couldn't do that anyway.
That's why why you can't see Chris Mullin. You jumped
my Hey. So that was that was playing b because
I was just gonna go two hand on brick Smith.

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But I was like, oh, okay, let me just see.
Oh the rim there because I was gonna do this rim.
That ship was sick. So you got Frederick Wise morning,
you wing Alijah on in Houston, and then that Mullen
Uh first step by Mullen on Indiana. Yeah, if y'all
count that as a dunk on, that's cool. Yeah real quick.

(01:49:57):
Toby had to kill list of players coming out that
he wanted to uh knockout and prove you is better
than you keep touching on your dunk list. Who who
talked to us about what your dunk list was? Any
big man that was that was considered a great shot blocker.
The only guy that I did not get. Um, Well,
let me say this now because I know Shack gonna
has something to say. I didn't dunk on Shock. You
can't tell him he makes that? Yeah, I got I

(01:50:19):
got Tim in college. Yeah, I got Tim in college
almost almost, Like I dunkel timm In in the league
in San Antonio, I don't know in college two hands
and I dun't on one hand in in in uh
in San Antonio in front of the bench. Um, but
I didn't get Yao and Shock. I got Sean Bradley. Uh,

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he was a. He was a he was dunk baked. Yeah, No,
you know who was dunk Make my guy Sam down there.
Oh yeah. Any anybody that's gonna be close to leading
the league in shot blocking is gonna get dunked on.
To look back that they challenged. So I respect the
funk out of them shot blockers, even if they do
get dunked on, because they're challenging everything. Bro. That ship

(01:51:01):
is tough. THEO Ratliffe I called a couple of times, like, yeah,
he was a big blocker. Yeah, I mean you name me.
Any I dumped through bloody something disgusting, we had a
discussion about it. So I did on Turt when he
was in sack with Baseline, did a spin move back
to the middle. So I was going right. They cut

(01:51:21):
tried to cut me off. I did a spin move
back into the center of the paint. Lady tried to
come up there and put two hands up and I
just two hands set on you know. So yeah, yeah, man, yeah,
especially in the old building was looking low as hell. Yeah,
because arena was a little small, tiny college arena. Two

(01:51:44):
thousand nine year traded Orlando, Ryan Anderson, Austin Batti. Orlando
had been in the finals the year before the Lakers.
I come that year too. We got a hell of
a team, hell of a team. Talked to us about
that expen. We felt like I felt like we had
a chance to go act to the finals. I say
we because they did the privac year. But you know
we we came on the team that year in battle

(01:52:05):
the Lakers uh in the finals. We had a hell
of a season. I want to talk to you about
this because and this is all due respect, stand and stand,
and we had some amazing I want to get hey,
I want to get Jay Will on this because remember
the one day in practice when Jay Will went on
went in on standing through the behind the back, bullet
passed and hit him in his stomach. Him man, funk

(01:52:29):
that ring. I keep that ship under my motherfucking sink.
You know, Jason White Shocolate is a fucking oh. I
can't wait to get him. But but but talk to
talk to us about this. We had hell of a season.
This is when to me, Dwight Howard was one of
the best players in the game. He was unbelievable. I
never played with a more athletic strong I mean, obviously

(01:52:49):
I missed Shack in his prime, but Dwight would talk
to us a little bit about what Dwight, what you
saw in Dwight in those in our years in Orlando
with him. So it was crazy, man, because I was
obviously living and being from Florida and living an our way.
Finally get an opportunity to play at home. Before you
go this, motherfucking Vince has the best house I've ever
been to. He used to live right next to Tiger.

(01:53:12):
Tiger used to be right there. Vince's fucking house in
Orlando is unbelievable. But go ahead, unbelievable. Yeah, that's uh So,
getting the opportunity to play at home finally, and you
know it was it was perfect timing for me. I
don't think I could have handled it as a young
guy being at home with all, you know, just our way.
So just getting there and just looking at their team

(01:53:33):
and man, I feel like the same thing. Man, I
looked at this squads like they went to the finals,
so they got the final, they got finals experience, adding
some some some some veterans who guy's been around, who
you know, who knew knew how to play, had experience,
and like this is what you actually had scoring, you
had defense, you had rebound everything and everything you you

(01:53:53):
could possibly get. Shooting yeah, j J who shooting lights out?
Like we had everything. So we were deep. It was
crazy and what it was it's like, you know, I
felt like I still belong as a as a star player.
But at the same time, I'm like the White this
is his team, Like he had just gone to the
finals and did doing great things. You're mirror, you know,
another guy who's just doing great things. And so it

(01:54:14):
was just like just fit in, man, and then we
bring that team though, like you were alright, go like
we had the obviously Richard Lewis is on the big
contract there. Yeah, but you are a go to guy
that and like you said, we had everything in place
to be a championship team with that team that year
exactly so, and that's what it was for me. I
was just like, I'm just gonna be me and stands
like I just need you to be You would just
do your role beat because I don't care about who's

(01:54:37):
the man like, but when you need a bucket, bro,
give me a call, I'm ready giving it, you know
what I'm saying. So you know what I'm saying, Like,
this's whatever, But I knew how what what would need
to be done. We had to establish the White and
his dominance act like that's stupid if we didn't do that.
So you give him the ball, it opens up the
rest of the game, so or vice versa. If I
got rolling like he wrote, like when the White was
rolling down the paint, throwing lives and catching like ducks,

(01:54:58):
like it's like, what do you do with that? You
know what I'm saying. So it was just like he
was just raw and and and still had, uh, you know,
a lot to learn it, but he was just he
started to understand and I think making the finals that
first year helped him kind of growing mature. I mean,
he was still silly as hell, but like silly that

(01:55:19):
that was the only thing that looking back, like this
motherfucker was so good. He just didn't take nothing serious. Man.
He was so fucking good. But he would be looking
around in Eastern Conference practice like my nigga, like we're
playing the Celtics and damn right, just focus just for
a second. But but like bro, your boy like hating bro.

(01:55:41):
He tried to you know what I'm saying. Like so
it was just crazy like and and just to go
through it and and and just so it was just crazy,
like we were like cool. Everybody was laid back, but
dump when to kind of to take it seriously at all.
As we as we got deep in the playoffs, I'm
gonna tell you, I'm gonna think I had an awful January.
I was shooting from the field and you remember this man.

(01:56:03):
Come February, we get rolled and were playing the Pelican
and that night I got out of shooting something and
I had forty eight HM, and I was just going,
I couldn't miss bro and We're playing at home. And
I felt after that we took off and became got
into playoff mode from February because you know, it all

(01:56:26):
start breaking cop back and then next thing, you know,
we're getting into the playoffs and well that's the same
year too that that's the ball fake year. So the
ball fake with code people don't understand, like when that
ship happened, that was that game that was that was
that ballco So it was neated because everyone thinking like, yo, this,
we're gonna about to see these motherfuckers, you know what
I mean. So Cod was on this ship and people
don't know the whole time, I'm looking for you off

(01:56:47):
the backscreen for this play, and the fucking ball fake
just happens. But that game right there too, it's just like, Okay,
we beat the Lakers late in the season in a battle,
like we're gonna have to see these dudes in another
you know, six weeks and we're gonna play the ready
had that game. We're not backing down from ship. They
beat the last that the previous year. Trevor Reason was
trying to punk turkle Wod might have worked, so they

(01:57:08):
we bought reinforcement. We was ready for the Lakers that year,
so we sweep through the playoffs. Jack caught some of it.
Beat the Yeah, like I think we were winning by
like twenty something a game like we said an NBA
record we ran through at right. He was the only

(01:57:29):
one who got any kind of buckets on your right, Jack,
check U out, Hey, I remember, I ain't say. But
with the Hawks though, I remember playing for the Hawks
were getting go in the game for the beginning, Say Bro,
hurry if we get this over with so we can
go home, because like that's how it was that nobody
could miss with we were nobody through. Tell me if
I'm wrong, because this is what I saw. And shock

(01:57:50):
always comes into my head when I think that that
stand freezes in big games. So I love Standing as
far as X and O is one of the greatest
coaches I've ever played for from a strategy stand point,
our preparation standpoint, when you play for staying, you're gonna
be ready. Outside of them shoot around practices where he
had to be taped with with you know, we had
tape and knee pads and shoot around bro and really practiced.

(01:58:11):
That ship was the worst. That was the worst. But
outside of that stand is gonna have you prepare. But
correct me if I'm wrong. If we did not change
everything we had one with going into the Eastern Conference finals,
we fucked everyone up in the playoffs we had beat
we were we had success against Boston in the regular season.
So we're going to the Eastern Conference Finals against Boston,

(01:58:33):
says KG. This is their big three, right, yeah, Rondo,
they were all, yeah, they had a squad, but we
had had a good success. Like we feel like no
one could funk with us be going to that series
and stands like, you know, this is a really veteran team.
I think we need to add a few, you know,
a few different plays and looks in our thing, and

(01:58:54):
we change our whole offense, bro our whole entire offense.
The one thing I remember from that that that that
that kind of frustrated and and it kind of shifted everything,
especially as we started getting later into the into the series.
You know, I remember you remember the White wanted more
touches and we tried his force feed the ball into

(01:59:14):
White and it didn't work because like it was just
like you know, he he perk Perkin, and they were
they were just switching off and they just they were
not letting him get off because they didn't like they
didn't like thet Yeah, KG, they had the motherfucker's a
rotate on the White. Yeah, like they weren't they weren't
trying to see it, and I think I just felt

(01:59:35):
like we kept force feeding. So after a while, you know,
Rashard uh one on one side of the other side,
we kind of just sitting there and trying to force feed.
Force feed wasn't working. And then when the ball started
coming back out, we weren't hitting shot because I remember,
I remember we yeah, man, we just it just changes.
I'm like, no, let's open the floor up, Let's open
the floor. We want to make their big we want

(01:59:56):
to make the guard come in and then get get
a white going down. But when the white rolled down
to the Cylina doing the duck in, what are you
doing that? I couldn't do nothing, you know what I'm saying.
So that's that was the thing. So we kind of
changed it up. And it was unfortunate because we got
we lost to them at six, and we felt that
I definitely felt like that that was our chance, uh

(02:00:17):
to kind of get it done. Like we're a game,
a game or two away from back in the finals
and probably gonna see the Lakers again. Y'all was at
your best man to pick and roll when you when
you you was at the pick and roll at the
top of the key, bringing it up and running the
pick and roll, and I got shooters everywhere. That's why,
because we couldn't stop so crazy. That was so crazy

(02:00:41):
because you had a veteran squad and the ball move, bro,
It's like, who need to get the ball? Who was open?
Was gonna get the ball? I have space in it? Everything?
Yea was was your offense was running clock like like
everybody's on the same page. Yeah, because you have a
veteran group. But it was about winning, bro, Like I
really thought. I thought your headed to a head on
finals rematch with the Lakers man and that ship would

(02:01:03):
have been a war, you know what I mean? That
ship would have That ship would have been a blast,
but should have would have cult it didn't happen. And
that year I got hold on what is it like
playing with Matt though? What is it like being a
match teammate? And it's it's it's like I'm saying, it's
one of the Yeah, so I know what it's like

(02:01:27):
being his real life brother. You know what I'm saying,
And and and and that and that ship. Oh my god,
that's the whole other story. But it's crazy as as
we go. As we you know it's funny. So that
was our younger years, the first thing in Orlando, and
it was just like it is what it is. It's
like as soon as we side, I was like, oh, bro,
we got yeah real one, like we're about to go
over defense shoot like like I told you. It was

(02:01:51):
just like you understood what it was and like, A
that's what I said to beat. It was like, bro,
you know he was down to get down with anybody
for his team. It is what it is. And and
and then when you see that, it makes you when
he go jump out there in in in the uh
in the rat hole, like bro, like dog were with you, Bro,
like you do that for us. We got your back

(02:02:12):
to it like I said, that's why he said he
he had me out there. We're trying to win the game.
I'm like, bro, I'm like kick down now like they're
doing like that. Like it was just cool, Like I mean,
he's just it was contagious on who he isn't bro,
Like people say what they want to say about them, Bro,
Like like that's what the loyal love the game and

(02:02:33):
he's gonna play it one way. Bro, I'm playing my way.
I'm abouna play hard notes like here a football player
like you, you coming at me, I'm gonna hit you back, bro,
Like that is what it is, Like, that's just how
you want to that, right, That's what I'm saying. And
it's like, you know, like and I'm you're gonna have

(02:02:53):
to back those words up. If you're gonna talk ship
to me, then I'm gonna see what's really good like
or do you mean that? Let's go that then mean
and that's what it was. And then as we get
to our second stint, as we get older, like you
know it was, it's the same thing. And then down
I'm playing with a team full of We had a

(02:03:14):
whole kennel of dogs. We used to talk about that
all the time, like look at this locker room. We
could have won any fight. We was. We was a
solid team. Everybody got hurt, but we could have won
any fight. Yeah hell yeah. So tell me what it's

(02:03:36):
like from being a go to superstar throughout your career
to being that solid veteran presence. We hear about you
being in the locker room, a mentor, a coach, a
father figured almost some guys talk to us, how you know,
like you you're some guys don't fall from startom gracefully,
and that's why they kind of end up out the
league before they really want to. You were able to

(02:03:57):
gracefully find your place to be. Like you said, you
can still compete, you can still play, you can still
give minutes, but you understand that you know your role
was to get these younger guys going. What kind of
mental barrier or hurdles did you have to take to
get to that process. So once I got traded from
Orlando the Phoenix, we're playing playing and all of a

(02:04:17):
sudden we were losing, we weren't in the playoffs, and
they put me on. They wanted me to come off
the bench. Bro, that that that conversation. Sometimes being a
go to guy, it's a shot to you, to you,
to your ego, and uh it was kind of like
running by me again. Okay cool and and for me, Bro,
I just like I said, I've been saying the whole time,

(02:04:38):
I just love playing ball, man. I just love a
hoop and I just want to hoop. So I remember
um hearing that and going home that day, I was like, Bro,
not like this, man, this is crazy. You know what
I'm saying. After being a surprise trade. I didn't know
I was gonna get trade out of Orlando, and we
were right there. We were fourth to fifth, uh best,

(02:05:00):
had the fourth fifth best record when I got traded,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, bro, what's good?
But you know, it is what it is. So I
got there, and you know, the team wasn't good, but
I'm now playing with Steve Dash and I'm like, bro,
this is I get a chance player, another point guard,
great point guard, and Grant of course, but it was
just it was just different. Bro. We weren't winning, Steve
got hurt, Grant got hurt a little bit, and then

(02:05:22):
now it's just a reserve role. And it's kind of
like I gotta figure out how to how to master
this point blank. And so I started just look in
the mirror, first of all, and one thing I said,
and and not that I was questioning, but it's kind
of reassures like you love this game, right, You're trying
to stick here as long as you can, right, Okay, cool,
So let's figure this out. So I started looking at
the old film of Vinnie Johnson, you know, for from

(02:05:44):
all the you know, old heads who who know who
Vinnie Johnson is let's started watching Michael. I started watching
the Great Six Men of the Game and and and
watching how they prepared themselves and how they was ready
to go to Who's you call Vinnie Johnson off the bitch?
But you had to be ready. He was ready to go,
Jason Terry was ready to go. Your notally was ready

(02:06:05):
to go. You know that and stuff. He was ready
to go soon he call his name. He was ready
to go. So I had to figure out how to
be a star in my new role and and and
and be effective and and once it was Buffy at first, Bro,
I ain't got lot to you, like obviously, like, oh man,
I'm used to kind of getting into the game and
and and and and and roll it as I need to.
But now as when you come off the bench, it's
like it's go time immediately. And uh. Once I got

(02:06:28):
used to it, everything took off and I was like,
it's not so bad, and I'm gonna I'm gonna be
a star in my role. I let that go to
guy different though, because like when when I have coaches
say go to guys, are you to go to guy?
I think of they saying that you got confidence to
take the shot just like you would taking in the
first quarter. A lot of guys on a lot of
guys don't have the confidence like this. Shooters that come

(02:06:49):
along in the NBA are knocked down shooters. They shoot
forty eight percent forty percent from the free through from
the peopt line of whole career. You give him the
ball in the fourth quarter three seconds left, nothing, no confidence.
So I think when they say you a go to
guy or the go to guy of the team, I
think they know you got confidence to shoot that shot
and have the comment of like, and That's what I'm

(02:07:09):
gonna say to that is um So my goal was,
regardless of if I'm starting to not, I want to
finish the game. I want to be that reliable guys
like like that go to when you need a bucket. Yeah, regardless, Okay,
we know he started, but that this guy has proven
and we know he's not afraid to take the big shot.
And I've never been afraid to take the big shot

(02:07:30):
on a big stage or a small stage or any
stage at all. And and and I've been willing to
deal with it. I think y'all, y'all chime in with
this and and tell what you think about this. But
I feel like guys, there's some guys who are afraid
to take the big shot in the fourth quarter because
they're afraid of the backlash or what people gonna say

(02:07:51):
if you're afraid. Yeah, Kobe said he missed thirty straight
shots and take the next ten. He didn't give a
fun And that's the kind of mentality you have to have.
I think you made it crazy great point just a
second ago. I mean, starting is great, and people talk
about starters. This isn't that, But guys who really know,
it's about who finishes the game. Who's that Who a starter,
who's on the floor in the last three minutes. It's

(02:08:13):
really what matters. Right, you could be a starter, bro.
You could be a starter and the first three minutes, bro,
and then and cock the second quarter right right, Like
you know, it's like it's great, you want to be
you want if you want to be a starter in
a closer Yeah, I want to I want to close
the game. That's when you get pride of myself. Yeah,

(02:08:34):
I prided myself on being in there at the end
of the game because they know we're gonna hate some
stops and I'm gonna hit knocked down a couple of
big shots, like that's what people. You don't start, you
know this. You know starting is great and everyone sees
the starters, but now their last motherfucking three minutes? Did
see you close it? Though? Right? You don't see me
started Mat mat us to come off the bench. We

(02:08:54):
just start goose, you know what I'm saying. But at
the end of games, Matt is at the four. But
the three we've always finished. We always finished the game
with small ball. Ye I had to go to president Day.
How was it like working with Trade? Younger, young guys
like John Collins. I know these guys in the future
of the NBA, and I know you're giving them the
right game. You see me around a lot. I come
to the games and I see I see how you
beat with him. But it's refreshing to see how they

(02:09:16):
respect you, because you get the same respect from guys
your age. How was it giving them advice and being
around those young guys? It was crazy. It's crazy because
you know, I look at Trade because I played against
his pops in college. You know, when he played for
Texas Tech. I don't know if if you remember Darvin
Ham when he broke the back. Yeah, Trades Dad was
on that team, which is your coach. Yeah you want

(02:09:42):
your coaches now though, right, so so you know what
I'm saying. Like so, so it's it's crazy to see him,
but like just to see the one thing I was
impressed in Trade more so than anything outside anything basketball,
was how he was able to handle the media. So
when we came up and came to the league, like
it was, it was no social media like but this
it was used to to to the big stages in

(02:10:03):
the social stage already like it is. He he knew
how to handle that. So it's been cool, Like I mean,
you just see how young guys they just got allow
to learn and they're they're so talented, but learning the
actual game of basketball is different than being good at basketball.
To me, like you could be you could be good,
but it's a bunch of dudes who are athletic. It's
a bunch of dudes who can do this. But when
it comes down to playoff basketball, that's when you see

(02:10:26):
what what what you got? And and so that's right now,
my goal is to try to prepare these guys, and
it's it's impossible to to to to teach a young
guy and and and and spit game to him about
what the playoffs are like until you actually get there,
but until you actually playing a playoff game. But I

(02:10:46):
can tell but every shot matters. I can tell you
the whole world is really watching because it ain't. But
so many teams playing, I can tell you it's gonna
be packed every night, all that stuff like until you
until you feel it and you feel how your body
feels and how nervous you are when they hammer all
the time, Like every possession matters until you go through that,

(02:11:08):
it's just it don't matter. So like it's been fun
to teach them, and you know, I try to try
to spit game and and and and explain to them
the history of the game and how Guy's handling, and
you know, it's always the debates about who's this, who's that.
But I'm like, bro, you you don't establish yourself until
you you don't done done something in the playoffs, thank you. Well,

(02:11:29):
that's why I think. That's why I think Milwaukee doesn't
get there, just Doe, because they've been able to dominate
the regular seasons kind of like patient Peyton Manning in
the Indianapolis coach used to be a great regular season team,
great regular season team, m VP numbers, and then in
the playoffs they would, you know, they would come up short.
So that's why I think Milwaukee doesn't get the respect
they get because hell of a team. Jannice is a superstar,
but players know you gotta earn that in the playoffs straight,

(02:11:52):
all right, that's where you that's where you make your
real money, that's where you make your name. So just
like we talked about these legendary guys in Hall of Fame,
which guys are thriving and wanted to be Like, what
you're doing the regular season is admirable and it's it's
it's nice. But people a people are talking. Yes, they're
talking about how much of a superstar you are in
the playoffs, whether you played four games or you played

(02:12:15):
for four rounds. Yeah you're going in four games? Bro,
you ain't you ain't. You ain't gonna get that respect.
You ain't gonna get that That that not you looking for.
But you can say, oh, because I score, you average
twenty something the game, So what don't matter? Dogs come
out in regular season? Yeah? Who do you? Who do you?
Who do you feel like? Uh? Looking at had the

(02:12:37):
best chance to win the finals this year. I think, look,
you asked me this question or not you know that game.
It's kind of hard to answer that question where you're
still in the league. Bro. But Vince, no, goddamn one,
they didn't have no shots, so he can still no,
we didn't have a shot. We Hey, they can give

(02:12:59):
us twenty games play. We can't make it, okay, so
we so we um I was I was trying to
spam man. I was trying to think career. I think
Milwaukee got a legit shot in the East, and then

(02:13:21):
I mean you can go back and forth of the
Lakers and the Clippers. Uh, that's must see TV. I
hope if this season come back, I hope it comes
down to Lakers Clippers in the instead of an early
earlier I see, you know what I'm saying. I just
I hope so, because that's that's what we need, you know.

(02:13:43):
The East. I would like that. I honestly would like
to see uh Toronto or or or or Philly. I
don't know. I just don't know about Philly. Boston Young
Boston head in their stride right before this ship has stopped.
So it's that's the four teams in the East, like
you know, but I think Toronto, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee. I

(02:14:05):
think Milwaukee still comes out of that. And uh, you know,
I still think the Western Conference gonna pull it off.
The Miami gonna surprised somebody. Then that's another square. That's
that's the other squad of Miami. Something. Miami is tough.
But hey, this this, this, this off time is crucial
to to a young squad, a veteran squad. I like

(02:14:26):
that because now they're rein a gibe. You know, had
some time off, but it ain't it now like young
guys like you know, young guys now they come up. Okay, yeah,
they're gonna try to lock back in and get ready,
but no, bro, it ain't you lock it back into
what they don't really know like these veterans too. So
I think that's gonna play a key role into the
second part of the season too, until when we get

(02:14:47):
back to what did you think when you saw Donovan
Mitchell Honor and you were in your Raptor's jersey in
the dunk contest? That was crazy, man, that was crazy.
Uh you know, uh, I don't watch it often, you know,
I don't know if I've ever said that I probably
I don't watch the dunk contest often and and when
I heard but I was in the Bahamas when that
when that happened, and I was walking around, and I
heard the guys like, Hey, just that this guy because

(02:15:09):
he didn't know he was Scott got your jersey on
the dunk contest. So and I'll go up to and
look at And so I actually watched that. It was
pretty dope, you know what I'm saying, because you know,
I I'm on when people mentioned my name or or
or or or or show love like that. Bro, I'm
definitely appreciative. Like I've been around for a long time,
but like these guys, I'm I'm so much older than
these guys. And that just shows he's a historian of

(02:15:30):
the game. And you know, it was dope to see
he did. He showed love. And Terrence Ross actually did
as well, Uh show some love. So that's that's that's
that's crazy to me. Who are your top five doctors
of all time? End game dunkers, top five top five
end game duckers of all time? You can put something

(02:15:51):
huh end game, end game, end game, end game. So
I'm still gonna give Dominique that Yeah, highlight film. Yeah. Uh,
dunkers in the league end game. Uh and see I'm
looking at it like I'm talking about not not just
dunking on people, talking about guys that that had that

(02:16:15):
some dunk contest dunks like who That's what I'm talking
about in the game, like that's you know, and you
know it's hard to the name guys currently playing, you
know what I'm saying. So there's one of them that
y'all probably can guess. You know what I'm saying. I say,
Josh Smith was out there doing something crazy. You know.
You know, I'm gonna give you one to go ahead,

(02:16:35):
stroke my swift who man and see and stroke out.
He wasn't out letting people. He was one step dunking
on people and then gang bang and then throwing up.
He was throwing that ship up after two. The young
Nick is dunking out the ball, bro It's just so

(02:16:58):
many people that yourself of course, all right, yeah, for sure,
sure I was trying to do whatever, Like if you
put me on the fast break and I had time
to think about it, I was gonna try to contest
to me. You're you're you're the greatest in game. Dunker
of all time to me, and that's what it would
all due respect to other people, like you were the

(02:17:18):
greatest in game dunkers whatever, But I wasn't afraid I
wouldn't camp on the break and on people. People couldn't
funk with you, bro, Yeah, that was my problem. That
was my only problem. Like, when I had a lot
of time to think about it, you put me on
the break, and if I just gonna sound crazy when
I said so, my bad. So when I jumped into air,

(02:17:41):
initially I'm thinking I'm gonna do something like leaner or whatever,
and I might end up get up there and be like, no,
I'm gonna win mill it just because you know, Jack,
imagine being able to think once you get up there,
Like we're thinking, Okay, I got the ball, I'm dribbling,
I'm at half court thinking about this nigd jumps. So
I'm gonna change my mind twice, right, I'm trying to

(02:18:08):
My initial thoughts for Duncan, especially when I was younger,
never ended up being the actual dunk, uh, because sometimes
like there was a there was a dunk and I
played against the Chicago Bulls and I was on a
fast break and I was going by myself. There's another
player running me down, so he jumped to trying to
jump over me. I end up going under him and
doing a one leg, one ft wind meal. But that

(02:18:31):
wasn't my initial plan on the dunk. You know, you know,
you know what's funny before the show came out on Somebody,
it's on, It's on I g today. That's Dunky talking
about you on the fast breaking you go, you go
from my other side with one hand and one minute
backwards like that. Yeah, it was like some I'm saying
I say so, it was more like, yeah, I was
playing it. I just played it by a year, bro,

(02:18:52):
Like you know, I when I said I'm gonna dunk,
I'm gonna dunkey, but I'm gonna see what you trying
to do, because like you said, you had to shop
blockers of the world, who's like, okay, I know they're
gonna jump, But then you had like the Darryl Armstrongs
of the world was trying to Boy, I was dub
I was dumb. I remember catching a lot backwards on

(02:19:13):
Black College and he's sitting in my chest and I'm
dunking about back. It's like, bro, what's you doing, Man,
I swear to guy, I lever forget that. So, I
mean it just defends that's crazy. Toughest matchup for you.
Who's that one opponent throughout your crew? Who was the
toughest matchup that toughest is tough to name one, but
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna name one guy who people

(02:19:33):
probably never expects, free Will. And I say free Will
because he didn't care and s free did not get tired. Yeah,
he had a motor. He did not get tired. Bro,
I don't care what he was doing. So he was
one of the ones for when I first when I
first got in the league, Bro, I couldn't I could
not figure out Scottie Pippen bro in the hand checking

(02:19:57):
in the hand checking there, like he was so crafty
Martin quick with it, but like you run off screens,
or he had tapping in your in your stomach while
you're shooting, or just push your hip a little, you
know all that stuff that used to be Yeah, man,
he had it all. I used to be like, ref
you don't see this, He's like and back then referees
talk to you like, man, stop crying and play, Yeah,
stop crying to play. Like that's Joey Crawford, young Joey

(02:20:19):
Crawford or well you know the younger Joey Crawford. Yeah, bro,
he talked to you bad, like so him Bruce Bowing
in the beginning. And once I figure out Bruce, it
was it was nothing. But at first, like you know,
all the dirty tricks he had, uh uh shoot so
many Bruce played defense with his feet, with his feet, hands, knees.

(02:20:42):
You know. It's so many guys like like that, uh
that you like y'all for sure, you know not that's
that's not because y'all here, but like just playing against y'all,
because guys like that. I had to work and I
had to figure it out. Like it wasn't easy t
a yeah, you know in Boston, you know. So so

(02:21:02):
there's there's a bunch of guys, um man. It's like
that's just a few that I can name off offhand.
And I'm gonna be mad later on because I'm gonna
thinking about this. I'm gonna text y'all and be like, bro,
I forgot about somebody. But Spreetwell was a good call.
Though Spreetwell was a mother. Yeah, I think I'm Yeah,
he's the first person I think of it. Is it
Golden Station or Knicks free well for you? Right? Yeah,

(02:21:24):
Nick's free well. Bro, I had to heart that that
year they swept us. Man. Yeah, so two thousand three,
you're the leading vote getter in the league. Uh, MJ's
last year. You decided to give MJ your starting spot.
Talk to us about that? Basically, yeah, I decided, But
it was it was it was encouraged by the league
that it was a good idea, you know, but by

(02:21:45):
the powers that be it was probably a good idea
that MJ starts in his last his last All Star game.
I ain't no food, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
I ain't no food. First of all, like we all
look up the MJ and and he's a hero. And like, Bro,
that that's that's a memory that nobody else can contend
talk about, like they can't be that can't be duplicated.

(02:22:05):
But I got a story, Like I could tell this
story forever, Like you'd be like, oh man, nobody else
can say that. Like, and MJ wouldn't take the spot, Bro.
Like when they said it's probably good, I was like, Bro,
I was giving this is m J last year. Bro,
And you're not starting, but I I got I got
a chance to kind of do this again. This is you,
this is your time. MJ so and so I pulled
them aside, but it was all day in the morning practice,

(02:22:28):
whatever you want to call it. I was like, m
J bro, take no, no, no, you earned this whatever, alright,
cool about argue. So we get down there right before
we running out and said, m J bro to take
the spot. You're gonna start. Bro, I said, if you
don't take the spot, I'm gonna stay in the back
and I ain't gonna come out. It's not what I said.
I said, I'm not getting blackballed from the league because

(02:22:51):
you you're talking about just you know you earned it? Yeah, okay, cool,
I earned it. We know that, but you're starting. Before
right before they called him for the starting lineup, he
still wouldn't go. You see it. The last minute is
where he took it. If you see it, the last minute,
he takes thirt and he go out there, but he
would not go. I was like, bro, please please just
go because I'm gonna walk to the back and I

(02:23:14):
ain't happened. So he takes it, and it was like
I was like, man, thank god Bron because that's deal though,
because you got so yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
all good. But like I'm thinking there to say, I
gave m his last start and then what happened that
fade away? Bro? He hit the right yea perfect man,

(02:23:36):
And I think the NBA messed up. Bro. I think
the NBA messed up. They're trying to be all technical
and stuff. So m J, y'all might remember, Yeah, y'all
definitely remb me up and around. MJ hit the fade
away and they called the time out. We're trying to
get the game stopped right there. Yeah, we're the game
should have been stopped right there. O't forget the one
point two seconds or two how many many seconds left?

(02:23:56):
Forget all that, the game over the greatest of all
times just camped off his most famous shot, never in
the in the All Star Game. It should be old.
I think they dropped the ball in that. Any new
hobby you've taken up since you've been in quarantine golf,
that's it, right, that's no call of duty. So I'm like, okay,

(02:24:17):
I'll say that. I will say that now. This first thing,
I pulled out the PS four because I had one
PS four somewhere and I tried Call of Duty and
I liked it. I'm guilty too, but I played ever
so often, so I'll say I tried. I don't picked
up the Call of Duty. Trying to play video games again.
The video I feel like it's giving me vertigo though,

(02:24:39):
I feel like Call of Duty is giving me vertigo.
PTSD all that, but everything is just off now because
the screen be all up and down, and like many
I'm like, you gotta think how video games started when
we first started playing video games, like like graphic yeah,

(02:24:59):
right there. One Megabody was trash. Last movie you watched,
the Bad Boys movie, I haven't seen that. You have
the new Bad Boys, the new one, the one Yeah
It's pretty, It's it's called Yeah. I had to support
in regardless. I was gonna support regardless type of music
you poke with. What all did you poke with that?
People would be surprised to hear that you listen to

(02:25:20):
I'm all over the place man, Being that I played
in music and I have a love for music, I
listened a little bit of everybody. Um. Mystical was a
I was a Mystical fan growing up, and then I
also was Wu Tang Fan. So I listened to woo
um now a little bit of everybody. I mean, I
give everybody a shot. I do. I mean, even if

(02:25:43):
if it ain't for me, I give everybody shot because,
like you said, some people like catchy catchy hooks is
is what it is now. You know, I'm a lyricist.
I like lyrics. Who Who's who? Who's spitting some substance?
Yea who? You know what I'm saying. So that's where
I am. But I give some guys. I give guys
a shot. You know what I'm saying. Kid, I still

(02:26:04):
listen to the baby right now is somebody I've been
listening to kind of catching You gotta get right, I
gotta get right. Rich some some love too, bro, because
he showed me some love, man, did he? Yeah? He
put my name in the song man, Yeah, yeah, in
the riom. It's kind of yeah. I mean, I'm funny

(02:26:25):
to three years old, funniest teammate you've ever had. Man,
That's that's tough. That's tough. I had to dude my
name with Jabari Smith. I heard he was funny. Okay, okay,
you are not. I am, Bro, Oh my god, that

(02:26:47):
might be what's the funniest character bro Like I had
him in Jersey, bro Like, he is funny is hell
and you yeah, yeah, yeah, I got put him up there.
T A is funny, brod Like funny as hell. Man,
It's it's yeah, I'm gonna stick with your bar. It's
so many bright it's over twenty two years. You you

(02:27:09):
had a lot of teammates, a lot of Yeah, but
as soon as you say that, the first one that
came to mind with the bar Smith, right, Yeah, that's
all the time. B best city to travel to for games,
the Garden. Let I've had some some some pretty special nights,
and I've had some disappointed nights. But it's something about

(02:27:30):
going into like the Garden. That's just it. It's history,
it's legendary. It's a lot of a lot of the
stars of stars have done some great stuff, some great
things in there. So every time I walk in there,
I just I love it. That's what I mean. It's
nothing better. They need to try to get that team right, man,
because basketball is so much better. When the next irrelevant,

(02:27:52):
absolutely absolutely final question, historical sitdowns, whether it be taking shots,
having some cock hills, drinking wine, Who are five people,
not counting yourself. You'd want to have at the table
anyone dead or alive for just a night a dope conversation. Um,
you know, you know, you know VC technical man, he's

(02:28:13):
gonna break his brain trying to think about this. Man. Yeah,
I know you all right, give me I want Obama
give me uh Big and Poc both of them. Yep,

(02:28:34):
two more, give me. Give me Martin Lutheran, h the
King and uh Dr j oh Julie. And I like
that he snuck that one. He snuck that in there.
You gotta have some nice if you gotta have a
player at the table. So so Obama, Pock, Biggie, MLK, Julius, Irvin,

(02:28:58):
and yourself. That's yeah, like that's this I mean, and
I picked. I'm trying to pick people. That's like you,
You're talking about the entire room. We're talking about everything.
You can't anything you want to talk about. They can
hooping to smoke to music like you know, I want

(02:29:19):
to I'm I'm, I'm I want to learn a little bit.
I'm one of those guys. I like to learn a
little bit about a lot of things. So if I
can't learn it all through that group, I ain't meant
to know it. And then Jack is right down the street.
Y'all can hit the strip cloud right after that dinner.
What you said, Hey, Man, that's a rap man, Vince.
We appreciate your time. Man, it was an honor getting

(02:29:40):
to play with you. Bro. If that was your final shot, man,
twenty two years, you held it down. You made a
lot of people proud, your legend, Hall of Famer. Fuck
anyone who don't like that. But we appreciate you, man.
We just want to let you know, Man, we appreciate
your run. Brought twenty two years the longest career in
NBA history. Man, that has a lot to do with men,
just who you are as a person. And thank you. Man.

(02:30:02):
I appreciate it. I've heard you say that before. Man,
I appreciate it. Uh are you saying that? Man? It's
been a pleasure, obviously battling both of you and knowing
you guys for all these years and the support, so
it's it's been it's been a pleasure. And thanks for
having me on tournament and called tournament. I'm gonna come play.
Jack's gonna come drive my car. We're gonna be out
there just when you when you bring yours back. Let

(02:30:25):
me know, I mean no doubt, No doubt. Man, that's
a wrap uh special edition with the one and only
Vince Carter. You can catch this on Showtime Basketball. YouTube
are all platforms, streaming podcasts, all love them. It's something

(02:30:51):
about how this place forms a different kind of person.
On my high school team, we have five guys make
the NBA. We had the County Rock you mentioned prend
Short dis County. People know it's about it's the meta

(02:31:13):
of basketball. There are those who come before us, upon
whose shoulders we stand here for this area. You have
to have tough scares. The gym became the thank you
p G. County guys provide buckets for America Press. Georgia

(02:31:33):
packs a lot of power, a lot of character. It's
nothing that you can do to stop that competitive and
we're pushing the community and a culture for there's just
in the water. This life was all I ever wanted.

(02:31:57):
I'm not leaving, not yet. I was hoping you can
say that we gotta hit the streets, make some money.
Pople like us, les destroy paple like him. Buckle up,
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