Medea: The Mythological Maddest Sorceress Queen

There are few characters quite as angry and dangerous in greek mythology as Medea. Over the course, Medea's life she dismembered her own brother, murdered her sons, and burned her husband's lover alive. Basically, don't F with her... 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Medea is having a bad day. She followed her husband
Jason to a new city, had two kids with him,
and started to make a life for herself. And then
he announces that he's leaving Medea for another woman. He's
such a climber. This new wife is none other than Creusa,

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Princess of Corinth. Maybe it's best for Medea to accept
this development and send a nice wedding present. She chooses
a robe of the finest silk with intricate embroidery, truly
a garment worthy of royalty. And then Media adds a

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personal touch. She takes a small, elegant bottle and delicately
sprinkles the garment with not perfume you, oh no. Media
covers the robe with her own hand crafted poison. Creusa

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don's the robe and starts to spin it to feel
it twirled, but flames shoot out from the robe and
golf Creusa in fire. She flails. She tries to stop,
drop and roll, but Medea's vindictive magic is too strong.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Hello and welcome back to Badass of the Week. My
name is Ben Thompson and I am here with my
co host, doctor Pat Larish. Pat, it is very good
to have you back. Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's good to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, so you were gone last week. I did an
episode with our producer Andrew who is. It was fun.
We talked about Australia. But you were not traveling to Australia.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
No, I was not. I was traveling to Turkey.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wow, okay, So how was Turkey?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It was amazing, It was amazing. We saw a lot
of Ottoman stuff, a lot of ancient stuff. Got to
know modern Istanbul. I drank a lot of Turkish tea
which was grown in Turkey. I didn't know this, but
they grow tea in Turkey in the Risa area, which
is over on the Black Sea.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh I didn't know that, Yeah either did I Did
you get you see the Viking graffiti at the Haijiasophia?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I did? I did. It's on the second floor. It's
on a railing some board. Viking carved his name into
the railing. They have it under glass. They have a
sign showing it off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh that's awesome. I've always wanted to see that. I
think we might have talked about it on a previous
episode that the Varangian guard used to we're Viking that
were bodyguards to the Emperor of Byzantium, and because the
emperor had to go to church, the Vikings had to
go to church as well. But they were Pagans. They
didn't believe in any of the stuff. They couldn't understand
the language, so they would just sit there. And some

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guy I can't remember his name, Helgi or something, he
like carved his name into the pew on the second
floor of the Agio Sophia, and I've always wanted to
go see it. Yeah, it's there. What other badass podcast
connections because we've talked about we've talked about a few
people involved in Turkish history.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, so at a Turk is all over the place.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
It was recently the one hundredth anniversary of the founding
of the Republic of Turkey and their banners up, so
there are always images of at a Turk all over
the place. Anyway, Like you walk into a cafe, there's
a picture of ad a Turk behind the cashier, because
that's a thing. But I think they had even more
than usual. They had huge banners up cell writing one

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hundred years Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Cool, And then you went to Troy as well, right.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yep, where we got to see that was fun. We
got to see the archaeological site itself, when we got
to see the large trench, that badass subject, Heinrich Sliman
doug using dynamite among other things.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
As you do in as the early twentieth century archaeology.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, late nineteenth century, and you know, to be fair,
he refined his technique for his later expeditions.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
After he dynamited Troy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, there's a joke that Heinrich Sliman did more damage
to Troy than the Greeks did.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
And you told me that at Troy they have they're
working on a on building a Trojan horse.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yes, yeah, they have already built it and it's usually
displayed outside the museum so you can see it when
you come in, and it looks a lot like the
one from the Hollywood movie. But when we were there
it was actually out for repairs.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Oh gos.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
But I did get a little a little like, I
don't know, three inch high model from the gift shop.
So that's going to count for something, right, nice.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, totally counts. So the character we're talking about today
is a kind of infamous and divisive woman from Greek mythology,
the sorceress Queen Medea. Did she have connections to Turkey.
I'm trying to do a transition here, but.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, well I don't know that she. I don't know
of any myths that take place in Turkey itself.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
She kind of she has some Persian connections.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
She has some Persian connections, yep. And so you know,
neighboring area. She lived in Colchis, which is on the
Black Sea. It's actually now part of Georgia, but I
mean the tea that I drank was grown in the
region of Turkey in the east on the Black Sea coast,
so it's you know, general neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, all right, that's that works for me.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So yeah, if any of you have seen the recent
Barbie movie, one of the characters goes into this spontaneous
rant about how hard it is to be a woman
in today's society. You have to be you know, twice
as good and whatever you have to quote, never get old,
never be rude, never show off, never be selfish, never
fall down, never fail, never show fear, never get out

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of line. And our character Medea is credited with some
badass peaches of her own. Early on in the drama
by Euripides called Medea, she goes on a rant to
the women of Corinth, saying, oh, yeah, you know, we

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women have it really hard. We have to, as she
puts it, by a master for our bodies, which is
a creepy but kind of a way of acknowledging the
patriarchal marriage constraints that women of her day found themselves in.
And she says later on that she would rather die
in battle three times and give birth once. So that's

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media math for you, you know. And you know a
lot of people who knew Euripides is play and saw
the Barbie movie. Okay, yeah, it's not exactly you know,
you can always find differences.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
But there's some similarity in her speech and the speech
from the movie.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah. And the character who gives the speech in the movie,
that's the mom in the our World part. And she's
a likable character. She's a very sympathetic character, and she's
not really out to destroy anyone.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, and that's not so much the case with media,
is it? No destroying people? I will read a quote
that is not related to the Barbie movie, but it
is also attributed to Medea, it says, in craft and
in darkness, I will hunt his blood sword in hand full,

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willed and sure to die, I will yet live to
slay them for all of their strength. They shall not
stab my soul and laugh thereafter. And that is the
kind of person we're talking about, and that's the kind
of story that we are going to tell after this
commercial break.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So hey, welcome back. Who is this Medea, And no
we don't mean the Tyler Perry character. This is Medea
from Greek mythology. She is a priestess of Hecate, who
is whom you may know is Hecket if you listen
to Shakespeare plays or Hakaate, you know whatever. She's a
priestess of Hecate, who is a goddess associated with the moon, darkness, witchcraft,

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you know, cool stuff like.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
That, sorcery and necromancy, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And she's not just any run
of the mill witch or sorceress. She's also a princess
of the city state of Colchis, which is on the
Black Seat. It's modern day Georgia if you're looking at
a contemporary map, and she's got lots of skills She's
good at lots of things, and I'm not going to

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tell you what those things are because you will see
her various skills come into play as we tell the story.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
But they are all related to Hekata kinds of things,
that being sorcery and necromancy and witchcraft. And sheep can
Mexican beer.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes, yeah, well we can work in the Mexican beer somehow.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, maybe it's related.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. But I'm thinking,
like she mixes some potions here and there, and you know,
we don't have proof that there wasn't beer involved. You know,
you just mix the magic herbs in some liquid.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Generally witchcraft involves wine, I imagine.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. Yeah. So her father is Aetes, who is the
king of Colchis, and her grandfather, which is to say
Aetes's father, is Helios, the son God, which maybe is
a little ironic given that she is a devote of
Hecate associated with the Knight.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Hey, just really oppositional defiance to her parents.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Sure, yeah, well, oh my goodness. Yes, and she's from
a very interesting family. Her aunt is Circe or in
Greek cure K, and Circe is the sorceress that you
may know from such greats hit as Homer's Odyssey. So
Circe is the one who turns the sailors into pigs.

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So Medea comes from she comes from an interesting family.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, she turns Odysseus's guys into pigs and only
offers to turn them back if he'll sleep with her.
I think is the deal.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, and that's that's happening on some remote islands somewhere.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
The women in this family have a neck for negotiation.
I think we'll see that later too with media.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yes, yeah, and yeah, a negotiation. You said earlier that
Media's skills all had to deal with hekata and witchcraft
and necromancy and negotiation. Is she also has negotiation skills
and just sort of general cleverness and street smarts, which
you don't need to worship a goddess of the night

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to get.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
So.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
She's most famous for being associated with Jason, and Jason
is a legit Greek hero. I mean, Jason is an
everyday name these days. You know, maybe Jason is the
guy you did group work with in English class in.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
College, you know, I know, I know at least three
Jason's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, and not all of them are
characters in horror movies. So Medea is in Colchis, busy
worshiping hecaty mixing potions, being princess of Colchis, and the
ship pulls into port. It's pretty impressive ship. It has

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these big eyes on the prow, you know eyes, I
mean eyes painted on you know, on Greek warships. Yeah, exactly, yeah,
it looks cool. They may have been believed to averred evil. Okay,
also just looks cool. The ship pulls into port. Maybe
it's a slow news day. What's going on? She likes

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to know what's going on, and she meets their leader,
Jason or yeahs in Greek. He's interesting, huh okay, media
is intrigued. She goes over to find out his deal.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Jason.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm imagining him doing the thing that happens a lot
in Greek epics, where if you have a stranger coming
into town, you offer them hospitality and then you invite
them to tell you about themselves.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So, and he must have been an interesting guy because
the Argo is like an all star cast of Greek heroes.
So he's the leader of this ship, but he is
it's crewed by like a bunch of famous Greek heroes,
including at one point Hercules, who we've talked about before.

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And they've they've been through some stuff already. They saw
that they got past the harpies. They had the Stymphalian
birds with the iron that shoot like like iron darts
at you, like metal birds. Yeah, they they have. They've
had like some adventures to get here. They yeah, like
a mini odyssey kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, adventures you can imagine being animated by Ray Harryhausen
and I do. Yep, yep, yeah. And yeah, all star crews.
You've got Hercules providing some brawn and also maybe some ingenuity.
You've got you know, every good ship you're going to
sing sea shanties, right, So it's not just some random

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and some playing a cheap guitar. This is Orpheus, the
legendary musician of myth like, you know, the rock star
of Greek mythology. Yeah, and they've also got Atalanta, who
is famous for winning a running cut well yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I mentioned.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
That because one of the greatest archers in Greek of
all the Greek heroes.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, total badass, happens to be a woman and she's
on the ship with these.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Dudes killed the Caledonian boar.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
M yep. So she's got skills. And they've also got
the protection.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Of the Goddess Hara, which is hard to get because
the Goddess Hara does not give that out easily.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yes, and Jason kind of got it on two fronts.
So one way he got Harrah's favorite is he was
nice to her. She disguised himself as an old woman
who had trouble walking and needed to cross a river.
The bridge was out. Jason offers to carry this random
old woman on his shoulders across the river, and he

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does it. Turns out one of his sandals got stuck
in the mud. But you know that's yeah, you know,
he's helping out. He's helping out a fellow.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Human, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So on one hand, Harah's impressed with his boy scoutness
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean that's nice, right, That's what you want
out of a hero. You want him to do the
right thing and make good decisions, help people out when
they need help.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
And this is Harah. So she also is motivated by spite.
She has a grudge against Jason's stepdad, Pelias, and this
will become relevant later.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That sounds more like Harah.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
That sounds more like harrh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway,
so you imagine Jason telling all this to media, like, yeah,
this is my story. You know, does he mention that
Harah is his patron goddess? Maybe he does, Maybe he doesn't.
I don't know. Is it a good pickup line? I
don't know. Well, your highness, Yeah, So my dad Athan

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was the rightful king of Yolcus. You may have heard
of it. It's a town in Thessaly and Greece. But
my dad's step brother, Pelias usurped the throne and so
my dad sent me far away so I'd be out
of danger. But you know, there are details I'll tell
you over another round of drinks. Now that I'm all
a man, I thought, why did I try to reclaim

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the throne that rightfully belongs to my dad and then
therefore eventually to me. Well, you know, Harrah's helping me.
She hates Pelias because he had disrespected her temple. Blah
blah blah.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I'm totally secretly a prince. Just take my word for it. Yeah, yeah,
one way or another, Pelias. I got Pelias to promise
maybe that if I went and got the legendary golden
fleece for him, he would give me the throne. Now,
the golden fleece is a fleece that is golden.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
What is a fleece?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's a sheepskin, okay, yeah, and sometimes felice refers to
just the wool. Here, I think it's easiest to imagine
it as the actual sheep skin, like the sort of
thing that you would imagine on your on your car
seat if you're one of those people who has a
sheepskin cover on your car seat. Okay, yeah, the word
in Greek makes it clear that it's the sheep skin

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and not just a bunch of golden wool that you
shaved off of the sheep, because this makes it easier
to carry around. So it's a thing. It's the maguffin.
It's the thing that Jason has to go and get.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Does it do anything? Does that have any magical powers?
Or is just pretty?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think it just represents a cool thing that is
rare and hard to get and also happens to be
guarded by a dragon.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Okay, sure, it's like a symbol that like, you got it,
You bought this dragon, and you got the thing.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you know, he could have
just as easily said, oh, get me a paper clip
used by the secretary of the Queen of the Amazons
or something like that, you know whatever. Yeah, So you
can't just go down to the Agora and do some
comparison shopping around various shepherd's stalls or whatever. You have

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to go to a very specific place. Now, Jason is
from Iolcus, That's where Pelias is currently king. Jason's trying
to get the throne of Eyolcus, and the golden fleece
is held in Colchis Colcchis, which is on the Black Sea,
and that's why he's on a boat. It's easier. Well
it's not easy to sail there, but it makes more

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sense to sail there than to go there by foot.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Their journey is complete. They've arrived and they meet the
princess who is Medea, and Jason is talking to Medea
and kind of flirting with her a little bit to
kind of get a feel for how hard is it
going to be for your dad to hand over this
golden fleece so that I can go be king of
my kingdom. So how does that meeting go?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, media could be loyal to her dad and say, oh, well,
let me tell you something, dude, We're not giving up
the Golden fleece. Or she could say, hmm, you're cute,
let me help you. Maybe she's bored. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I get the impression that Jason was charismatic. I get
this feeling about him that like he's this kind of
because he's not anybody really, but all of these great
heroes Orpheus and Hercules and all these guys, they take
orders from him, like he's the commander of this ship.
But he is really just some guy. He's a disenfranchised prince,

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but he doesn't have any of the princely powers or
wealth or any of that stuff. He's you know, he's
kind of like, hey, guys, can you come help me?
Will you risk your lives for me to come get
this magic artifact? And all of these people do it,
and she seems sympathetic to him as well. So my
guess is that Jason was probably like a pretty cool dude,

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like if you got to know him, or at least
he came across as a pretty cool dude.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I think my students would say he had riz
I'm not sure I'm using RIZ correctly, but I I'd
be willing to try it out and then run it
by my students and they can say, doctor Larish, you're
using RIZ correctly. But yeah, he's got I don't know,
he's got.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
People, he's got something, he's got something.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah. Yeah. And also the favor of Hara, which is
maybe a mythological way of saying he's got charisma.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, I mean he won hair over right. That is
not easy to do, nor medea, I imagine either.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah. Yeah. If she doesn't want to help you, she's.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Going to not help you.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
And I get the feeling that media doesn't act like
this every time some ship comes into a port with
like a pretty boat captain.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe she wants to show off a little bit.
So the golden fleece, you know, she's kind of observing
j as he goes right to King Aetis and says, oh,
your majesty, And Jason says, oh, your majesty, could I
borrow the golden fleece or whatever? And Aeti says, well,

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you have to do several things before we let you
take the golden fleece first. And this is going to
sound a little bit like the labors of Hercules, except
there aren't twelve. They're much fewer. First of all, so
you see that team of oxen over there, I want
you to plow a field with them. And Jason's like, okay, now, Ben,

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when you think of oxen, what are the dangers you
associate with oxen?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Horns? Generally horns. They're like picturing like a big bull, right,
I mean yeah, plowing a field with two oxen doesn't
it seems like a skill set you should have if
you live in this time period, if you live in
ancient Greece around whatever time period this myth is supposed
to be set in. Doesn't seem like it would be

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that crazy of a task. This isn't like like fighting
the hydra.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
No, No, I mean you know, is this just a
he just wants some help around the house and he
figures you might as we'll exploit this guy who.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right helped this old lady down the street and we'll.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Get a favor out of him. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah,
So the oxen they do have horns, and they also
breathe fire.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh okay, that's new, that's different.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's and uh Medeo whips up this ointment that protects
Jason against the fire. So he puts the lotion on
himself and he's protected. He goes, he yokes the oxen
to the plow, and he plows the field. Okay, slide
quest number one, Yeah, pustion of fire, fire resistance. Yes,

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Madia saves the day, so say she does.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
But so she has decided that she's going to help
Jason get this.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Please, yeah she has, yeah, for for whatever reason that
makes sense to her. Now, the other thing Jason has
to do is once you've plowed a field, what do
you do with it? You plant things in it? Obviously,
so ate his hands in a bag full of dragons teeth.
And this isn't like the name of some like grain

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or something. These are like teeth from dragons, okay, And
he says, okay, yeah, you have to sew these, you know,
toss them in the ground like you would do any
other sort of seed or grain. And okay, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Does it grow dragons?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Not quite? But you're you're you're very close. Medea pulls
Jason aside and she says, hey, okay, those dragons teeth,
when you plant them in the ground, you know what's
going to happen. Soldiers are going to come out of
the ground. They're just going to like sprout from the ground.
And Jason's like, okay, because he has a whole bag

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full of dragon's teeth. This is going to be a
lot of soldiers. And Medea says, here's an idea. Throw
a rock into the middle of the group of soldiers
once they come out of the ground, and that'll just
confuse them and they'll start fighting with one another and
they'll be distracted and you'll be safe, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
So she gives them some kind of I assume some
kind of slightly magical.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Rock or or just the soldiers are. I mean, they're
kind of weird zombie skeletal soldiers, but they've still got
human natures. So look, but WHOA strange noise? WHOA what's
up with that? WHOA you guys threwly? Did you guys
throw it? Or maybe maybe Jason shouted, oh hey, Taylor
Swift tickets or something.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay, So that's the I assume it's I assume it's
gonna work because media it does. Yeah, So he plants
the seeds. Skeletal warriors emerge. This is one of my
favorite scenes from the movie and he throws a rock
and they all start killing each other. All right, Second Lab,
we're done.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Second Lab're done, and third and final. I hope that's
not too much of a spoiler. We have to get
to the Golden Fleece, and I mentioned before that it
was guarded by a dragon. I mean, where do you
think those dragon teeths come from? You know, either this
dragon or its relatives. What do you think media does.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I assume she gives him some kind of special knowledge
to defeat the dragon.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, knowledge, in this case in the form of a potion.
She gives him a potion to sprinkle over the dragon
and a spell to chant, and this lulls the dragon
to sleep, and that means Jason can just tiptoe in
and yink the Golden Fleece and tiptoe on out.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Success. Wow. Yeah, So then what happens does the I
assume her dad's not going to actually let Jason leave
with the Golden Fleece.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Is he? No, he's not. In some alternate universe. Maybe
he'd be like, okay, kid, you've proved yourself enough. Sure
am you know? You know, not in this universe, not
in this timeline. So King Aetes sees that Jason has
started to leave with the golden fleece. Media's with him,

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and okays a lot going on here. So he sends
a bunch of soldiers after them, and he puts his
son Absyrtus, which is Media's brother, at the head of
those soldiers. He says, Okay, son, your sister's acting up again.
Just go get the fleece back.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, all those guys get to your sister backack.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, if you were Media and still
on team Jason, what.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Would you do. Does she have some kind of potion
for let's get the hell out of here?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That would be a logical assumption. She may very well
have some sort of let's get the hell out of
dodge potion. But what she actually does is she manages
to kill her brother and chop up his body in
pieces and scatter those pieces of his body all over

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the landscape. This distracts the soldiers, it distracts her father,
King Athes, who has to go and collect all of
the pieces of his son Absyrtus so he can give
Absurdus a decent funeral, because you can't just leave him
lying in bits and pieces all over the place. And

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you know, we said media.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Was a controversial figure, right, Yes, Okay, so I'm just
picturing like like an Easter egg hunt for arms and
legs and stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yes, yes, And I guess in these days you had
to bury the body together, right you couldn't. You had
to get them all if you were going to give
him a good burial. Wow. That is diabolical.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's diabolical. Yeah. In practical terms, this gives Medea and
Jason a chance to get away.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Wow. So Jason comes to town. He has really it
seems like, no special powers or gifts or abilities except
to make Medea like him. And then she helps him
complete all of the labors. He gets the fleece. Her
dad tries to have him killed, but then she comes
up with a slightly unorthodox way of distracting him so

(28:19):
that they can escape. But they get away, and they
have the Golden fleece, and now he's just got to
go back and be the king, right you would think, Yeah,
it seems like they sail off into the sunset and
live happily ever after. Right, let's find out we will.
We will take a take a look at that happily
ever after after this commercial break.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
So we saw Medeia and Jason just having committed an
awfully bloody and gruesome murder of Medea's brother to distract
her father. We saw Media and Jason escaping from Colchis
with the Golden Fleece, hopping on the Argo and sailing

(29:10):
back to Eulkis, Jason's hometown where he is the son
of the Rightful King and is trying to reclaim his throne,
which he thinks he's entitled to. Does everything go smoothly,
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
They do have a few. They do have a few
adventures on the way home too. They do, so, they
do stop and visit Aunt Circe. She she absolves everyone
on the Argo of all of their sins, and nobody
comments on the irony or the fratricide or any of
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah. In one version of the myth, Circe kind of
gives Medea a little bit of a talking to. She's like, Okay,
I'm not completely happy, but I'll do it because you're
my niece.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Your sins fine, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Don't do this again. Okay, don't do this again.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
As well as you've learned your listen. They past the
Island of the Sirens, and that's where Orpheus and his
music come into play, and they they're able to get
past the sirens. There's one story where they land on
crete and meet King Minos of Minotaur fame, and yeah,
and King Minos has this giant steel or iron gollum

(30:17):
named Thallos and Tallos. You know. King Minos says, you
can't leave the island until somebody can beat Tallos set
an arm wrestling competition, and Tellos is a giant basically robot.
So Medea once again saves the day. She pulls a
nail out of Tellos's heel and it bleeds all the

(30:38):
oil out of them. And oh and then the column's
broken or the robot's broken, and they can defeat it
and sail away. So fault. It's not Dallas's fault. He
was unbeatable until Medea murdered him.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Media is an unstoppable force.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Deactivated him. Yes, she has an unstoppable force. Yeah, indestructible
mechanical construct and she you just pulled the plug on him,
drained like a bathom. Oh, but then they get back,
They make it back. They've had all these adventures. They're
great heroes. The argo's not in great shape when it returns.
But they're here, and Jason's got the golden fleece, and
now we just have to convince old stepdad to hand

(31:17):
over the crown.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yes, you'd think it might be just a matter of
asking nicely, maybe with a lawyer in the room. No,
Jason scopes out the situation. Media scopes out the situation.
Jason's father, Eson is still alive. He's in prison because

(31:43):
Pelias threw him in prison, but maybe couldn't bring himself
to actually kill him. And Media, she's doing a vibe
check and she's thinking, Okay, what's in Jason's best interests
because right now her fortunes are aligned with Jason's. And
she's also thinking, okay, what's the best outcome for me? Media,
because she's always looking out for number one, So she thinks,

(32:04):
maybe I should get in good with my potential father
in law. So Ethan, you know, the older generation. He's
Jason's father. Okay, you know everyone ages and Ethan he's
been through a lot of stress, so he's really not
in good shape. He's been imprisoned, his son went off
on what he assumed was probably a fatal quest. He

(32:26):
assumed Jason would meet with non successfulness.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Which she almost did many times.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, you know, these days,
Jason would just be you know, texting Ethan several times
a day, but they didn't have that in those days.
So poor Ethan is alone with his thoughts and his
worries and his anxieties. You know, he's, he's, he's you know,
it's showing he's he's been through a lot. Poor guy.

(32:52):
Medea says, hey, I'm I'm good with potions and stuff.
I have this treatment that might make you feel a
bit younger. What she does is she basically does a
blood transfusion. She takes Esan's blood, infuses his blood with

(33:13):
magical herbs, and circulates it back into his system, and
he jumps up. Whoa, I feel like a new man.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Picturing like a plasma transfusion.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, yeah, except with magic herbs.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah sure, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Okay. So things are looking good for Ethan, but on
the political front, King Pilius is refusing to give up
the throne. Absolutely no one is surprised by this development. Now,
if you were Medea, how do you deal with that?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well, because it's Medea, I'm gonna I'm going to go
out on a limb here and guess with violence.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yes, with a side order of subter huge.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Okay, what does media do? I'm realizing that the golden
fleece really it has no value at all. It has
no powers or anything like, I didn't have any magical abilities.
The magical weapon that Jason found in Colchis was Medea.
That was the most important thing that he found there
and brought back with Yes, yes, yes, yes, She's way
more useful than like the golden sheepskin.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yep, yeah, The real golden fleece is the amoral sorceress
we found along the way. So Pelias has some daughters
and they're loyal to their father. I mean, why shouldn't
they be? You know, Medea, she finds a ram, and

(34:42):
she somehow makes sure that Pelias's daughters catch wind of
what she's doing. She gets a ram, she kills the ram,
and she chops up the ram. Pelias's daughters are thinking, oh,
is she like cooking dinner? Is she going to sacrife?
I used the lamb to the gods, Like, what's up
with this? She chops up the ram, puts the ram,

(35:05):
you know, the adult male sheep in a cauldron with
water and this herb, that herb, the other herb. Maybe
she says some words over it. Maybe she moves her
hands and gestures abricadebra out of a cauldron, jumps the ram,
but as a lamb, like totally rejuvenated, like not just

(35:28):
like a little bit of a facial or something. It's
this is this ram has decades or whatever the equivalent
is in sheep years off its life like the phoenix.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, it just gets back to normal.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Whoa generation Yeah yeah, And Peleus's daughters are looking at
there like whoa, whoa. She sees them and she's like, oh,
oh hey, yeah I did that, and she manages to
get them to say, hey, Medea, it's medea. We're pronouncing

(36:00):
it right. Yeah, okay, so media, wow, could you do
this for our dad? And she's like okay, sure. So
she gets maybe she cleans out the same cauldron, fills
it with water, and gets Pelius's daughters to do the
same thing that she did to the ram, namely, chop
them up into pieces. I'm telling the myth. I cannot

(36:24):
imagine the thought process, but okay, whatever, this is all
part of a dory. Yep, yeah, I'm telling the story.
I'm committed to the story. I'm committed to the story.
So the daughters of Pelias chop them up into little pieces,
throw them in the cauldron. Media adds the water. She
says whoa, she says, you know, abracadabra or whatever magical

(36:47):
words she probably said. She probably put on a good show.
And does Pelias jump out as a I don't know,
like dude in his early twenties, you know, all fit
and ready for a new a new lease on life.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's just a lamb, just another lamb jumps out.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Not even that.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Zip did not respond.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Did not respond because Medea, whoopsie doodle forgot to add
the magic herbs.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh yeah, I knew I was forgetting something.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah. So instead of you know, a young, rejuvenated Pelias,
we've got Pelias stew and it's not even flavored very
much a tasteless joke. Oh too soon.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Sorry, guys, I don't know how to tell you this,
but you checked your dad up for nothing. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, yeah, I would hate to be Pelias's daughters in
that moment.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh, it's diabolical, it's so evil, it's so awesome. Yeah, oh, medea,
I mean she is.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Very much brand so yeah, now Peleas was not just
you know, some guy who you know has daughters. Here's
the king, here's the king. Yeah, so, oh golly, he's
no longer king. The thing is, you would think that
this would make space for Jason to get on the throne.

(38:22):
Actually it also makes Jason somehow a murderer. Medea is
the one who actually did it.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
But okay, yeah did his redecided you did kill a king. Okay, yeah,
it is does not make you the king. I mean
sometimes it does, but.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's like it's and it's pretty brutal, and in the
eyes of the gods, this is a bad thing. So
they can't really Stanuel Kiss, Jason and Medea are pretty
much an item at this point. Mason Judea. I don't
know more than one person has referred to them as
having Bonnie and Clyde kind of vibe.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Sure, I could see that. I mean, now they're they've
they've killed royalty on like multiple continents now right, yeah, okay,
so they got to get out of town. Then, if
they're not the king, get out here.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yep. So they get the hell out of Dodge again.
This is another opportunity to drop in on ants seers
and say, hey, we need to be ritually purified. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Remember when I said I wasn't gonna do that anymore?
Oh my bad?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah did you do? Did you get new glasses? You
a great answers? Yeah. Now, sometimes committing a crime with
another person is a great bobbing experience. I I or
so am so, I'm told so. Jason a media they
you know, they're a couple. They're on the run. They

(39:54):
go to Corinth, which is in Greece and well another
part of Greece. They they think, okay, maybe we can
make a new life for ourselves in Corinth. That works
out for a while. They do settle down. Whoa Jason
and Medea settling down? Yeah? Yeah, and they have kids.

(40:16):
According to some sources, their names are murmurros and fairies.
I feel like we should give them names. You know. Now,
you could just settling Corinth and have a nice middle
class life, you know, bicker with your neighbors from time.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
To time, you know, soccer practice, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah. Man, you mentioned earlier that Jason must have charisma,
like he must have like plus a million, yes, charisma.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
He rolls the dice and he gets a really high
charisma role. Somehow he winds up attracting the attention of
the royal family of Corinth.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Okay, yeah, that doesn't seem too bad.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
You'd think this would be a good thing, and for
Jason it is. The King of Corinth says, hey, Jason,
would you like to marry my daughter Creusa?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
That isn't Jason already married to Media? You'd think, who
has saved his ass, like on multiple occasions, yes, from
certain death many times.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, yeah, Jason says, yes, I would be delighted to
marry Creusa. How do you think media responds?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
So I do talk about I wrote a there's a
chapter on media in the second Badass book. And so
what Jason proposes because media's mad, and what Jason proposes
here is no, no, it'll be great. I'll marry the
Princess of Corinth. I'll eventually become King of Corinth. I'll

(41:51):
keep you around on the side, and then we can
still kind of hang out, be you and me and
my millionaire princess wife. And then the offers her money
and the way I the next chapter in the book says,
I think I speak for most married men when I
say that if I tried to pull a stunt like

(42:12):
that on my wife. She would go on a berserker
rampage that would make media's most ruthless escapades look like
Malibu Barbie driving a pink Corvette through candy Land. That's
kind of how I'm getting. That's the kind of the
vibe I'm picturing here.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
And you had that reference to Barbie.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I know, I'm kidding. Yeah, Yeah, that's why I felt
like I had to quote myself here. Seems like a
really weird thing to do. I guess to cite you
quote yourself from a book, but I don't know. I
like that line.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
There's some weird media Barbie connection. And also you're putting
your finger on like exactly what's happening with media in
this moment, which is that she is engulfed in white
hot rage. Do you want to be on the bad
side of media? No, you do not.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm going to tell you that pieces yes.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Okay, Now the thing is this is media. She's complicated,
she's complex, you know, she contains multitudes. She says, Oh, okay,
so okay, we're going to have one of those blended families.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, We're you know, it's like a little little before
it's time.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
But yeah, but also this is Greek mythology, so you know,
maybe this happened. Yeah, you know, you know, maybe she's pragmatic.
Maybe she's like, okay, yeah, this this seems like actually,
in practical terms, if I don't think about labels, if
I don't think about you know, whatever, it's actually a
pretty good situation.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
But I just don't get the I don't get the
impression she's down for like an open marriage.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
No, no, no, in some very very very alternate universe maybe,
but in some very alternate timeline, but not this time.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
When not our media.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
So here's the thing. You and I Ben, we know media.
But Creusa, the Princess of Corinth. Oh does she know Medea?
Really not really, So, you know, the night before her wedding,
you know, servants bring a package. Oh your highness, this

(44:18):
is a gift from Madame Medea. And Creusa says, oh, okay, well, golly,
I mean, what a nice gesture. So she opens the package,
she unwraps it. Oh my goodness, it's such a beautiful
robe mat of the finest material. Of course, she has
to try it on. That's the last robe she ever

(44:42):
puts on. It's steeped in a poison that sets her
on fire. She screams her father, the King of Corinth,
runs in Chris, oh, you're on fire. He tries to
you know, stop, drop and roll whatever. He tries to
help put out the fire. He gets engulfed by the

(45:03):
fire too. Oh no, oh no, rip Royal family of Corinth.
Criosa does not survive.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Oh. Man, So now she's killed two kings, a prince
and a princess.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Mm hmmm, yep uh. And more to the point, from
media's point of view, she's killed Jason's new fiancee. Yes,
has Jason suffered enough? No, he has not.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
You know, he has lost the favor of Hara.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
He has well? Or the favorite hair is not enough
to stand up to the wrath of Medea. So Medea, yeah,
so Medea. She calls murmurros and ferries over to her
Oh sons, she has Jason's sons. And most of the time,
when a parent calls their kids over to them, you'd

(45:57):
like to think that the parent is doing something in
the best interests of the children. You'd like to think
that the parent is saying, hey, kids, you know it's
time for us to move on. You know, maybe maybe
you know, a normal, average, ordinary mortal, a mere mortal
parent would say, hey, kids, I love you very much.

(46:19):
Your father loves you very much, but you know, we
need to separate. Or maybe just like here, kids have
an iPad and some twinkies. It's a rough day. Okay,
this is media.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I just murdered the king. I'm gonna have to go
away for a while.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, I'm working on myself. Yeah, you know. Yeah. What
media does is she calls murmass and fairies over to
her mommy, mommy, you know, and she kills them.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yes, and so this is the thing about media that
is problematic when you talk about her being a badass,
because it's not bad aass to murder your children. But no, no, no,
But for the purposes of this myth. Number one, this
is not a real story. This didn't really These aren't
real people. So there is that to consider, right, there
are no actual dead children in the real world while

(47:10):
we're telling the story. Number two, In some versions of
the story, she doesn't kill them. So in certain versions
of the story, so she has given this this robe.
She's not there when Crusa and her dad gets set
on fire. So in certain versions of the story, she
is she gives the robe to the princess, she puts

(47:32):
it on, she catches on fire. Her dad tries to
put her out, he catches on fire. Jason is there.
He comes running in, he sees this. He's like, oh,
this is witchcraft. I'm not going to touch either of
these people. He runs home to confront Medea, and as
he arrives home, she's kind of taken off from the
back porch, flying off into the night on a chariot

(47:53):
pulled by dragons, and which is just awesome. But in
some versions of the story, she's already killed the kids
and takes off. In other versions, the kids are still
there and the people of Corinth get angry at her
and they kill her kids. In some versions of the story,
she kills the kids because she can't take them with her,
and she's worried that the people of Corinth will kill them.

(48:14):
So there's a number of reasons that are given here
of you know, she's worried they're going to get enslaved
and tortured. She's worried that, you know, all kinds of
bad things are going to happen to these children, so
she kills them for their own good. And there's version
where she doesn't kill them at all, and the people
of Corinth do it. So yeah, like you said, it's
not real and it's it's a myth, but it is.

(48:37):
It is a component of media.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, And I just went straight to the most gruesome version,
the most distasteful version, because that's what Uribides did.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
It is drama.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
So yeah, and media was ruthless, and in at least
in Euribides's version, that was her way of being ruthless.
And I'm not endorsing it. I am not endorsing this
bite any means. But it's a great story.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yes, yes, do not mess with this person she met.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah. Yeah. And years ago in Berkeley, California, I got
to see a live stage production of europe Dieza's Media
featuring Fiona Shaw as Medea, and there was a little
Q and a afterwards in the play they had, you know,
actual child actors playing the kids. And in the Q

(49:32):
and a, someone asked Fiona Shaw and the other members
of the production, so you've got media doing this really
gruesome thing to kids. What is it like having like
actual kids in the production with such a gruesome thing.
I guess the kids apparently the child actors when they
had this explained to them that this was the type

(49:55):
of story that they were going to be involved in.
One of the kids was like, oh, somebody is like
our psycho mom, and I don't know what it says
about us as a society. It says about pop culture,
but okay. The kids were like, okay, yeah, we know
this kind of story, so okay. So I'd like to
think that those child actors were not scarred by playing

(50:18):
kids who were you know.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I don't know. I always sort of like actors talking
about how like they wish they had like a cooler
death or they like to have like cool death stines
and stuff. I mentioned that's probably pretty fun to play, right.
I've done a couple of times on like short films
and stuff, and it's pretty fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, yeah, And it was a pretty amazing production, obviously,
I still remember it after all these years. So that's media.
And she one way or another, she parts ways with
Corinth uh not on the best of terms.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
And in a dragon chariot, I feel like dragon charot.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Dragon chariot, but a flying dragon chariot.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yes, yeah, like a really gruesome Santa Claus.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, Jerry pulls by dragons of flies.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Where does she go? Do we know?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Well, according to one version, she goes off to Athens.
So she's just making her way westward and she seeks
asylum there. I mean, okay, if you killed your kids, okay, yes,
you need to seek asylum. You need to seek some
sort of expiation from the gods. I don't know whatever.
She ends up in Athens, and somehow she manages to

(51:26):
convince the king of Athens, Aegeus, to marry her. She
just keeps winning, she apparently, Yeah, everything's coming up media.
So Aegeus already had a son by another woman, and
this son is Theseus, whom you may have heard of.
He's the guy in the minotaur.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Myths, you know, and a ton of other myths after that.
He's most famous for killing the minotaur. But he's like,
he's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Oh he's a total big deal. Yeah, so you may
not be surprised that, uh, well, a media tried to
poison Theseus.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Of course, as you do.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Of course, as you do. But also, b this was
averted just in time. Egeus notices that the cup media
is offering Theseus is a little suss and He's like no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Again with this, stop trying to set royalty on fire.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So yes, theseus does live to go on and have exploits,
you know. So the thing is trying to poison the
son of the king. Do they want to keep her around? No,
no they do not. Media thinks, Okay, I think my
time here is done. I'm going to move on. So
she leaves in a huff and a chariot drawn by

(52:51):
flying dragons, and that's the end of her time in Athens.
She goes on to do other things, and there are
various myths, none of them are as well developed as
the ones been telling you. But medea, you know, she
just kind of keeps on going.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, she flies off. She disappears in the cloud of smoke,
flies off on a chariot pulled by flying dragons. There's
some stories that say that she had a son with
Pcus's dad, a kid named Meatos, who goes on to
conquer a bunch of lands in the Middle East and
found an empire which he named Media after himself, like Emidia,

(53:27):
which is kind of a big deal because when the
ancient Greeks talk about Media, they're talking about Persia. Yeah,
like the Persian Empire of Darius the Great.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
There's a lot to unpack there.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, there are a couple versions. I think in one
of the versions, she goes home to Colchis and helps
her dad had been usurped, and she helps him retake
the throne and reconciles with him. There's a lot of
different mean, there's a lot of different versions of what
happens to her after this what's generally agreed toda multiverse. Yes, yeah,
maybe she did all of these things. Maybe she only
did a couple of them. Maybe whose Yeah, but it's

(54:02):
generally accepted that nowadays. She spends the afterlife in the
Elysian Fields, which is the Greek version of heaven. She
got into that somehow, probably by having to stay xba.
He once over again and she becomes the wife of Achilles,
as in like the greatest war hero, the most famous
war hero in all of Greek mythology. And yeah, and

(54:25):
so it's going great for her. She's in heaven with Achilles,
and that seems like it's probably working out pretty well
for her. Jason Jason, well, Jason was winning when he
had Medea, but after her, he doesn't really have much
His his princess wife is dead, his kids are dead.
He's alone and miserable. He goes on to I will

(54:46):
quote my book once more here when I say Jason
went on to live the short, boring and lonely life
of attackless dumbass and eventually kicked it when a piece
of the argo broke off and crushed him to death
with irony. And that's what happens to Jason. He's miserable
and alone and died because he didn't appreciate his wife enough.

(55:08):
That is the moral of the story. Yes, I think
or something.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yes, yes, yeah, if you don't look into.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
It too much.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Sure, yeah, most spouses don't go around murdering people and stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah, yeah, it does happen, but it's not common, not
common enough, right. Also, fear of that is not a
great reason to stay in a relationship. Yes, yes, it's complicated.
Relationships are hard.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, even when you don't have amazing sources, abilities and
potent knowledge and whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, but that's media. She was a pretty badass sorceress
who defeated many magical enemies and magical enemies, and anytime
anybody wronged her, she overreacted with extreme violence. One thing
with media is that with a lot of the things
that she's doing, she's trying to help, right, She's trying

(56:13):
to help out her her friends, right, So she does
have good intentions for a while until.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yes, in a certain light, Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
But yeah, part of the team. She's part of the team, right.
They couldn't have made it home without her, and Jason
couldn't have gotten the Golden fleece. He would have been
incinerated by fire breathing bulls if she hadn't. Yes, but
that's media, and I love I love the myth. I
think she's one of my she's one of my like
I feel like, the most badass mythological figures. She's just

(56:50):
her story is great and I'm really glad that you
were able to uh to walk us through it today.
That was really awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
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