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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Total disaster. That is what we are witnessing take place
in this country right now because of out of control
government spending, inflation, and people that are just stopping even
looking for a job. Now, there are numbers out that
are telling us just how bad things are, and I
want you to understand exactly what the left will tell
you and what Democrats are going to say to make
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this sound better. All right now, before I get into
all these details about what's happening in the economy, these
shocking job numbers, in a moment, want to give your
heads up. We're going to be joined by former presidential candidate,
former Senator Rick Santorum, because he is now put together
an incredible agenda to actually reign in Congress, and Congress
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if we decide to do this at the state level,
cannot stop us. This is how we stop the insane
government spending of the Republicans as much as the Democrats
are doing right now trying to bankrupt this country. So
make sure that you share this podcast right now with
your family and friends at the little forward button and
share it on social media, because you're gonna want to
hear this game plan that Rick Santorum is focused on
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right Now it's something that my good friend Mark Levin
has also been talking about, and it's a way to
use the Constitution Article five for us to actually we'll
fight back in an incredible way. And he's going to
give us the blueprint for this. You're gonna want to
take notes. Coming up in a moment, he will join us.
But before we do that, I've got to get these
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updates for you on where we are with this economy.
The US economy added just two hundred and ten thousand
jobs in November. Now, this is normally a month that
the number of people that are hired skyrockets because you
need employment for the holidays. How bad this miss expectations
buy more than three hundred thousand jobs. How bad is
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Biden inflation? Let me give you this number. Surging fuel
prices are now hurting poor Americans more than anybody else,
which we knew was going to happen, all because the
Biden administration deliberately and purpose he decided that we were
going to arbitrarily make the price of gas and oil
go up so that people would be forcing the submission
to buy electric cars and get on the kumbaya bandwagon
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of global warming. Therefore, we've seen a surge in fuel prices.
They undid everything Trump did to give us independence, energy, independence,
and the rest of the world. And now the terrorists
in the Middle East are making them more money than
they know what to do with, so they're going to
fund terrorism. Just so you know. Now, across the US
over the past year, these fuel prices have skyrocketed. Who
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is that hurting. It is hitting the poorest Americans, the
most majority of those people actually voted for Joe Biden.
These new report that came out and was published today
the Financial Times set out price rises and they set
them out and that have hit the country's biggest parts
the economy and where it's the drivers, it's everyday motorists.
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It's forcing many to overhaul the way they work or
ditch their jobs entirely because they can't afford to get
from point A to point B. This is also hurting
companies like Uber and Left, the two biggest rides sharing
apps out there. And now they're even trying to use
the burden by encouraging a switch to electric vehicles for
their drivers. Now, notice this is exactly what the Left
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wants you to do. It's the same exact thing they're
doing with COVID nineteen. You're going to submit to the
way that we're telling you must live your life, and
if you don't, you will become an outcast. We are
going to have two different class of citizenship in America,
those that agree with the tyrants and those that don't.
So this is no different than their game plan that
they're using with COVID nineteen. You're gonna get the vaccine,
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you're gonna get triple vacs, quadruple vacs. You're gonna do
whatever we tell you to do. You're gonna wear a
mask even if even if you're triple vacs, because we're
totally in control and we're tyrants over you. That's exactly
what Fauci's doing. It is no different than their energy policy.
You know, you have an energy secretary that didn't even
know what the consumption of American barrels of oil were
per day. That's a pretty normal number that you would
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know if you're the energy secretary. Now the question is
why did the Energy secretary not know this two weeks ago?
Because she doesn't care, because her job is not to
actually have energy independence or low gas prices or to
help the American consumer. Her job is to implement what
you just heard from Uber and Lyft, which they're implementing
from the federal government. They're trying to tell their people
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that are driving their cars, Hey, you need to switch
to an electric vehicle. Financial times, as many drivers are
frustrated as the prices are weighing, particularly on the bottom
end of the income scale, drivers seem to be driving less,
said Melissa Berry, editor of The Rideshare Guy, an industry blog. Well,
that's exactly what democrats want, right. They want you to
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drive less because they're trying to save the environment, they claim,
which means they have to dictate to you how you
live your life and force you into changes. I want
to go back to when you had Barack Obama office,
and he's not the Keystone pipeline. You have an energy
secretary then, who actually said on the record at one point,
we America US do what Europe has done, and we
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must make a gallon of gas as high as it
is in Europe to force people into submission so they'll
start taking public transportation, ride sharing and electric vehicles. Now,
when that was said back in twenty ten, whenever that
was all right? Early first first part of Obama's presidency,
the price of gas per gallon in America was like
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two forty two thirty a gallon, and people were getting mad.
The price of a gallon of gas in Europe was
like seven to eight dollars because they selling leaders, so
a couple of several leaders to make a gallon. You
get the point, and their price per gallon over there
was like eight plus dollars. And that was back in
O eight oh nine. So imagine now what they want
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gas prices to get to so that you'll be forced
to do what ubern Lift is telling their clients, right,
are their workers to do? Go get you an electric vehicle?
Suck it up. Now. The fact that Melissa Buried, the
editor of ride share Guiss drivers seem to be driving less.
That should tell you something as well. It's working. What
the Left wanting to do is it's working. This change
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in the way the gig economy works in response to
fuel prices quote has no doubt exacerbated the drivers shortage
that Uber and Lyft have been periodically finding themselves in.
Did you know recently Uber and Lift or having problems
finding people to drive cars? Why? Because of gas prices?
The price posts at corner gas stations is killing the
ride sharing business. They're fine with us. They want you
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to travel less, they want you to ride in fewer cars,
and they want to control every aspect of your life. Now.
Retreating the old market over the past week may bring
down retail petrol prices some, but so far drivers have
yet to see that price drop be actually passed them
at the pump. It takes a week or two to
get through the system now to cover extra fuel costs,
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many gig drivers have adopted adapt to what changes, including
rejecting more customers who are far away. Others are just
quitting altogether. Quote. Some drivers have been decreasing the amount
of hours that they do. Some drivers have gone looking
for other jobs. That's what Beth Griffin, a former Uber
and Lyft driver who heads the Boston Independent Drivers Guild, said.
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An online poll conducted this week by The Rideshare Guy
found ninety one percent of rideshare drivers worry about petrol prices,
and about half of drivers were driving less. Again, mission accomplished.
This is music to your ears if you're a tyrant
in the Biden administration. In fact, twelve percent of firm
they stopped driving entirely as a result of the high
gas prices. Again, this is exactly what the left wants.
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They are going to celebrate this, this is good news. Now,
let's go back to the economy here. ABC News had
it this way when they were talking about the American
public being forced to try to figure out ways to
not only save money right now, but also the rising
prices at the pump, from the supermarket to retail stores
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and the stops at the gas pump in between. Americans
are keenly aware of rising prices. What's currently driving a
lot of the increase now are things you've probably been
hearing a lot about supply chain glitches, lack of available
truckers to deliver goods and services, and short of workers
to produce a lot of those goods and services. There
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it is right, a lot of goods and services. In
other words, the economy is going to crap and everybody
knows it. And all of this directly connects back to
the president. Now, Bloomberg said, the job numbers are a
real surprise, only half of what we actually anticipated. And
the reason why is because there are a lot of
people that said, screw and I'm just going to stand
the government. Diamond definitely. It's too expensive to try to
get a job, too expensive to get there, too expensive
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drive there, can't afford it, so you just keep sending
me free money from the taxpayers. A change in non
farm payrolls comes in only half the level we anticipated
two hundred and ten thousand. That's a real surprise, and
that is going to cause some head scratching at the FED.
What do we do about that? I say, exactly what
the head scratching is it the Fed? They're saying, holy crap,
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people are just saying we're not working anymore. Wall Street
Journal reporter on MSNBC this morning put it this way,
what's your gut first reaction to the job stomp them? Well,
this is a miss. You know. It's economists. As you said,
we're expecting around five hundred and seventy three thousand jobs.
We got significantly less than that. I think what you're
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seeing here is what economists have been talking about throughout
the entire pandemic, which is that, you know, the trajectory
of the economy is really gonna depend on the trajectory
of the virus and how people are responding to that. Now,
this is where I have to call BS. This is
the bailout that the media is going to keep using.
If the economy is bad for Joe Biden. It's really
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because okay, it's really because quote the pandemic. White House
Press Secretary Jansaki was on set on MSNBC this morning
and they asked her about the job numbers. She didn't
want to talk about it, so she deflected by saying,
this jobs number just crossed two hundred and ten jobs.
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Just to add it, so two hundred and ten thousand.
So if we look at that breaking news right now,
that's a number that feels a little what a little off? Well,
I know this sounds a little archaic, but I can't
comment on them until nine thirty by rules not work
at Yeah, but there you go, and they all laugh,
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they all laugh. I can't comment on that till nine thirty,
even though we know exactly what the numbers are. Really,
So do the American people know what's going on right now? Yes?
And don't blame it on COVID. You can't blame this
on COVID, CNBC. Santelli said, the American public knows what's
going on. It's Biden inflation. Don't blame this on COVID.
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You've made and done things policies that have made prices skyrocket.
You did this. This has nothing to do with COVID,
because prices were low with COVID when Trump was the president.
It's American public knows, they know what's going on. You
know how many times a week or a month do
you fill your car up? You know how many times
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do you get the bill for your kids at school,
whether it's private or college. You know these prices. I
just had a furnace go out. I was shocked. I
was shocked at how much some of this stuff has
gone up in the last couple of years. This is
a multi millionaire on CNBC saying he's shocked at how
bad prices have gotten, how much stuff has gone up
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in the last couple of years. That should tell you
everything you want to you need to know. And people
aren't buying this. You can't blame COVID forever for everything
when you're the president. I taits American. By the way,
when you ran, you actually said, you actually said that
you were gonna fix it all. Ron Brownstein at CNN said, quote,
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inflation is a very clear and present danger for all Democrats. Now,
I hope so I hope people get their heads other
ear end and realize just how bad things are. So
the question now becomes, what do we do in states
to fight back? How do we fight back against this
insane spending that's going on. We had another stop gap
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bill filled with port Beryl's spending that took place where
we won't have a government shut down, and there's tons
of crap in there that have nothing to do with
anything that's going to benefit you or me. Port Beryl
spending their whoring out. The government right now is being
hoard out by these old men and the Republican and
the Democratic side who say, I'm not gonna have to
pay for this disaster. I'll be dead when hell comes
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and when there's hell to pay for all of this.
And they're just spending money because they know they'll be
dead before they have to pay it back. How do
we stop them? Joining me to talk about this, Like
I said, as former US Senator and former President kenned
Rick Sentorium senator, we were talking this week a conversation
that was started very organically about what's going on the
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Supreme Court and with abortion and what looks to be
a significant victory for protecting life and I literally said
to you. I was like, all right, tell me everything
you're doing now, and you said, I'm working on something
and I'm working hard because I think there's a real
chance that we can have victories when it comes to
states being able to fight back against the government in
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DC and the extreme overreach is taking place. And you
actually said we're very close. I said, all right, hold on,
I gotta get you on the podcast because I wanted
to talk to you about how this is working. So
if you'll lay it out, and I say this, everybody listening,
Number one, share this. If you get to hear this,
share it. Okay, share it with your family, Share it
with your friends. Grab a pencil and paper, and start
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taking notes right now because you're gonna want to otherwise
you're gonna go, oh my gosh, I miss that. And
good news as you can rewind and go back in
the podcast and listen again, but make sure you share this.
So how did you even get involved in how did
this get started? What you're doing now? Well, first off,
thanks Ben, thanks for the opportunity. And I'm excited about
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this because I think that everyone knows that Washington is broken.
Everyone knows that it has accumulated power. It is. The
foundational structure of our government has been shifted over the
past really a hundred years by the Supreme Court who
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has basically reinterpreted, as we see in ro versus Way,
reinterpreted the Constitution to mean whatever it wants, and so
doing has dramatically expanded the power of the federal government.
You know, the commerce clause, for example, now means the
federal government can basically do anything. And that's not the
way our country was set up. That's not what made
our country great. It's not how our federal federal system
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of government was designed to work and has worked so well.
And it's the reason we see the division in our
because the federal government is now trying to make every
American from someone living in rural Montana to someone living
in New York City, played by the same rules. You've got,
everything has to be the same. Everything's guided out of Washington,
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and our founders understood that people living in different places
with different values, if we were going to live together,
we had to have the freedom to live our lives
the way we want to live in as much, you know,
within certain broad structures, but to give flexibility between the
states and between localities, you know, for differences, and that
we could have certain shared values that unite us, but
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there would be other things that wouldn't. And that's why,
for example, you see people moving from California to Texas
or moving from New York to Florida because they they
understand that there are differences, but the federal government, the left,
the progressives over time have tried to minimize those difference
and impose their values on the country. And so when
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people come to me and say, you know, what can
we do about it? I say, well, you know, we
need structural reform. We can't just you know, expect Washington
and Congress when we happen to get power maybe again someday,
to fix it. Because you know what, every time we've
gotten power, we haven't fixed you know, Ronald Reagan was
a great president. We had majorities in the House and Senate.
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We didn't fix it. You know, George W. Bush the
same thing, had majority, we didn't fix it. Donald Trump,
we didn't fix it. And when you're talking about fixing it,
we're talking about basic things like for example, Republicans have
run you've you've seen this when you were running right
repeal Obamacare, we don't do it, or they say things
like we need to balance budget amendment, and they never
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do it when they have the opportunity to do it.
And now look at where our deficit is exactly, and
look at where the concentration of power is. It's now
almost all in the executive. The Congress is feckless, they
can't do anything, and the courts simply, you know, step
aside and let frankly, now both parties sort of get
away with with doing whatever they want out of the
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out of the presidency. And here's why I came to
this moment is when I and look, I supported every
almost everything Donald Trump did. I mean, there are a
couple of minor things, but by and large I thought
he did a great job. But a lot of what
he did he did out of the executive orders and
rules and things, and and we cheered along and said, yeah,
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you know, let's do it. Let's stick it to them.
And we said, well, wait a minute, you know, the
constitution doesn't allow him to do some of this these things.
And we're now of the have gone I think almost
as bad as the other side, which is, if we
get power, we're going to force our agenda and we're
going to ignore the Constitution and let the president do everything.
That's just not a good idea. And well, and it
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also president, as you know, is everything. If you do something,
then the other side feels validated in doing it again,
and then you fast forward ten years and it's totally
out of control. It's the same conversation that we were
having about court packing recently, where are like, well, fine,
if they packed the court, referring to when we'll just
pack the court back again, and then before you know,
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we got fifty Supreme Court justices. Yeah, wrong, and and
so so the question is structural, how do we do it?
And and and here's the here's the great thing to
the constitutionalists out there, people who love our constitution. The
constitution provides a way for us to fix this. And
people say, oh, I love the Constrent, I love you know,
the Second Amendment, the First Amendment. Uh, well you also
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should love Article five because Article five was in the
original constitutions, not an amendment. It's part of the original Constitution.
And it's a it's a provision that says, here's how
we can amend the Constitution going forward. And and and
there's two ways. One is the way it's always been done,
which and by the way, let me hit pause itive
real quick, because you may have heard a lot about
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Article five if you listen to our good friend Mark Levin.
He has been talking about this for eight for I
would say decades, and there are so many people in
politics that said, no, no no, no, I'm not going to
have to waste my time legal and waste my time
with you article five. I'm just going to win an election,
get elected, and then and then basically do nothing, which
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is what you were just referencing. And the reason why
Article five, I think now is so important that people
are paying attention to it is that we're starting to
see that the only way conservatives are winning on government
overreach when it comes to COVID nineteen and these mandates
and forcing people to get a vaccine, to keep their
job and to do certain things, and I call it
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COVID racism. We are witnessing with this administration COVID racism
where they're trying to make two set different sectors of society,
two different classes of citizens. And the only way that
we're winning right now is through actually fighting in the
legal system with the constitution, which goes back to the
point that I think you're about to make, which is,
forget screwing around in essence with politics for a moment.
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We can totally fundamentally get the game change back to
what it was supposed to be. We're not We're not
changing something moving forward, just going back to order. Found
their wanted and the abuses that have happened over the
last decade after decade after decade, getting away from the
Constitution by specifically focusing on Article five. Yeah, using the
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constitutional remedy that the founders put in place to fix
what they thought was going to happen someday. And I
mentioned the first way to amend the Constitution was for
Congress to do it. But they realized that at some
point the federal government was going to get out of control.
And because it happens in every society, there is the
concentration of power. People who are in power seek more power,
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and that's what's happened. And so they provided a second mechanism,
and that's for the state legislatures to ament to propose
a Convention of the States, to propose amendments to be
sent to the states for ratifications. So let me just
sort of walk that back. So the provision in the
Constitution says that if two thirds of the states, in
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this case thirty four states, legislatures governors have nothing to
do with this. If the legislatures in thirty four states
pass a resolution, that all of them are the same,
so it's the same resolution. Pass a resolution to call
for a Convention of the States, then automatically it is called.
Congress has to certify it. But the thirty four states
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did it, but they have no role in it other
than that. So thirty four states have to pass it. Now,
what is the Convention of the States resolution we're proposing.
We're proposing three things that there'd be a convention held
with all fifty states participating. And by the way, the
states participating would be appointed by the state legislature. Every
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stake gets one vote, so California doesn't get anymore votes.
In Alaska, every stake gets one vote. And the purpose
of the convention is to propose amendments that cover three areas.
Number one, and I think this is the most important
to limit the power of the federal government. All right, Rick,
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I want to go back to what you were saying
a moment ago. I want to go over these three
different ways that we can use Article five that you
just started in. Let's start all over article five. What
are the three things that you're trying to accomplish to
actually get this done. So the resolution that we are
asking state legislatures to adopt, and fifteen states have adopted
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them so far. We need thirty four. But the resolution
calls for three types of amendments that will be in order,
in other words, to be able to be proposed at
at the Convention of the States that will be called
if we get thirty four states to pass this resolution.
One is to limit the power of the federal government.
I think it's the most important because what it says
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is that we can pass amendments that return the power
to the states and to the people that has been
now userved by the federal government. For example, education, it
is very clear from the Constitution that education is a
state and local function, but the federal government through that
through you know, the commerce clause or whatever clause the
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Screenport figured out, decided note we can let the federal
government legislated mandate and tell everybody how to run their schools.
We can pass an amendment or propose amendment that these
states could ratify that says the federal governments to spend
no money on primary second education, or can spend no
money on higher education. Think of what what how how
higher education has been corrupted because the federal government just
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funnels billions and billions of dollars in there uh to
and to to prop up what is the ballwork the
think tank for the left wing in the United States
of America. So that's one example, but there's a whole
host of other areas where the federal government has intruded
on state and local authority and on individual rights that
you could propose amendments to limit that authority. So that's
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number one. Number two and this is one that's been
around for a long time, to limit the spending power
of Washington. Other words of balance. So I really, I
really want to dive into that for a second because
number two is I think, actually for my kid's future
and the future of this country, and where it's just
seeing that you have being honest, it's a it's a
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Joe's Basically, they're saying, we'll do whatever the hell we
want to do and spend as much money as we
want to spend to stay in power, and because we
don't have to pay for this because we're gonna die
before that. You know what hits the fan the fact
that we've gone from spending billions to hundreds of billions
to now trillions of dollars of money that we don't have,
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paying hundreds of billions of dollars in debt on the
debt that we're borrowing, and giving places like China the
power over us because of our debt load. Should scare
the hell out of everybody. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to rick
because the word trillion, it is impossible to get your
head around how much money that actually is exactly exactly, Yeah,
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And so this provides an opportunity to put a balanced
budget amendment before the states. Are tax limitation amendments, you know,
only certain levels of taxation spending limitation. So any type
of amendment that would would constrain the spending of the
federal government would be in order to be proposed for
ratification to the states. And the third is a term
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limit amendment. Now, most of the term amendents you've heard
of as a term limits on members of Congress. I'm
someone ambivalent about that. There's some good sides and bad
sides of it. But this is not just term limits
of members of Congress, it's term limits of all federal
efficial So what does that mean. That means potentially justice,
this is free court or judges, and it also means
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the deep state. You can actually, we can actually propose
amendments that actually could limit the amount of tenure of
the deputy assistant Secretary of State or or you know,
somebody somebody deep within the bowels that we know has
been there and will be there, you know, for ten
presidents and doesn't pay any attention to what the president
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once does what they want to do and has their
own agenda. And so having the ability to attack the
deep state by limiting terms of executive branch officers, not
just Congress and judges, I think is a very important
part of reforming Washington, DC. You mentioned, you mentioned these things,
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and let's just look at applying them today. You know,
the House Republicans are divided on the purpose of a
vaccination database bill, and the question was asked, which is it?
Burgess asked us, will this ensure that information remains confidential
and kept private. Many believe this is a complete government overreach.
It's a violation of you know, of your medical records.
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By the federal government. This is a perfect example of
what you could reign in if we accomplish what you're
talking about, the same thing where the Senate Republicans just
cave to help pass a you know, the stop gap
funding to avoid a government shutdown, which is just filled
with insane amounts of spending. I mean, it grants seven
billion in funding for the resettlement of Afghan refugees, for example,
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but money's not going directly to Americans and citizens that
were hurt because of the COVID lockdowns. It makes no sense. Well,
I mean all of these things. I mean, obviously they've
got a lot of current issues, but you know what
this will get at is just limiting the power, the scope,
and the concentration of power in individuals in Washington. All
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of these are problems that are reflected by some of
the examples that you're giving right now. So those are
the three things that this resolution would call for. And again,
the process how that would work is we get thirty
four states. You say, wow, thirty four states, you only
have fifteen, you have nineteen states to go. Here's here's
the interesting thing that most people don't realize. Thirty one
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of the fifty state legislatures are now controlled by Republicans
in two states are divided. Minnesota and Virginia have one
House Republican, one House Democrat, which we have very confident
given the twenty two twenty two elections coming up in
the twenty twenty three if in the case of Virginia,
we have a lot of confidence that we're going to
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flip both of those states, so we'll be at thirty three,
will be one state short of the thirty four we need.
And we have several states everywhere from Washington to Maine.
Those are two of them that if we could flip
one of about four or five states that are actually
fairly close right now, closely divided in an election year
which looks to be a landslide type of election for Republicans,
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we can get the thirty four thirty five states and
now all of a sudden, if every Republican legislator in
those states votes to support this. And by the way,
every progressive group is vehemently against this, George Soros vehemently
against it, every left wing group is against it, every
conservative group is for this. So there's no reason for
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any Republican moderate to conservative not to support restoring federalism,
not to support limiting the power of the federal government
over the individuals and try to make everybody conform to
what Washington believes as best for everybody. So if we
can get to thirty four, which I think we can
either next year or the year after, then all of
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a sudden, the safety on the gun is off and
we can fire and get this thing done. Not ten
years from now, but in a year or two. We
can actually get a convention of the States called under
these under this resolution that allows for these types of amendments,
have a convention, and let's have a real great national
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debate as to what we want for the future of
our country to the power to be invested in Washington
and the power to be invested states, localities, and individuals.
All right, let me play pessimist here because I just
don't trust Republicans for good reasons that are in power.
Why would somebody in the legislature in these states and
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why what would be their logic or their reasoning for
fighting against this, Because you know there's Republicans they have
either they have you know, the dream of serving in
Congress where they wouldn't want to be quote term limited
or not be able to do their port rail spending
to hook up their buddies. I mean, Republicans sucked just
as much as Democrats do many times. I know hardcore
conservatives are in favor of this, but but you know,
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there's going to be some pushback. So what are their
arguments going to be and how do we prepare for
those on the front end. Yeah, the arguments that I've
heard so far against them is actually it's interesting, almost
all the arguments that are used are arguments that were
put forward in a law review article opposing this, this
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Convention of the States, I think about twenty years at
the moment, it was maybe as ten years ago. That
was put together by and you see these arguments and
I and I pull out this law review article and say, oh,
by the way, you know who made this argument initially
Larry Tribe. Now you know who Larry Tribe is. Lawrence
Tribe is an is a progressive law professor who's who's
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been one of the great you know, uh, you know,
thorns in the sides of of conservatives for for probably
forty years. And so every argument are the arguments the
left makes about it, and for some reason we adopt
and the other person who's come out and did and
did a long treatise on this was believe or not
Justice Warren Burger. Now, most of the people who you
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you are listening to the show, don't know who Justice
Warren Burger is. But Justice Warren Burger was the chief
Justice of the Supreme Court and was and voted with
the majority and Row versus Wade. And so this this
is who conservatives are using to say, Oh, look at
what these people say could happen, and and the reality
is the things that they're saying. One is that oh well,
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once once the convention is called, all these were opening
up everything that constant that you know, we could have
a runaway can mention and all these terrible ideas could
be put forward. Well, Number one, that there's law. It's
called the Article five, has court cases and history both
as states and even before that when we were colonies.
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How conventions of States operate and they are operated under
the rules of the resolution that calls it. And so
these are all three of the points that I talked
about before. Limit the power of the federal government. So
no amendment that expands the power of the federal government
would be in order. Number one. But even if let's
say a convention called by the way, when thirty four
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states are controlled by Republicans, and those thirty four states
are appointing delegates to that convention. So again, I mean,
you've got a super majority of Republican legislators who are
going to be the delegates at this convention. But assuming
they you know, go crazy and they you know, you know,
disseminate drugs there, and something crazy happens and they ignore
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the law of the Article five and they pass some
crazy amendment, it still has to go to the states
and be ratified by thirty eight state legislatures, again, thirty
four of which are controlled by Republicans. So the idea
that this is going to be a runaway convention is
just folly. I mean, the reality is that there is
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an appetite in this country to constrain the power of
the federal government, and we are providing the only mechanism
that could in fact do that. And Rick, you go
through this game plan of how to take back our
power and from a state's perspective, takeaway power from the executive,
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takeaway power from Washington, be able to do things like
get our country spending under control. And there's two questions. One,
no matter where you're listening right now, what do you
need to do now? How do you get this playbook?
Where do you get the guidance that you're describing. Let's
deal with that one first, and I want to deal
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with the how do you fight back against Republicans are
probably gonna do anything they can to try to screw
this up. Go ahead first with how do we find
out more? How do we get more information? How do
we start working on this. It's called Convention of States
dot com. That's the that's the website. You go to
Convention State dot com or US on Facebook, your rumble
LinkedIn everybody, I mean, all these all the social media
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sites were on. So it's Convention of States dot com
and you can you can sign up to volunteer. There's
all sorts of information you can dig into, all of
the great details, get all the questions answered that uh
that that you're going to be confronted with by folks
who are skeptics. Look, you know, I was, I was
a congressman, I was a senator. Lots of people brought
really big, great ideas, and the initial thing, if it's
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a big idea, I'm really skeptical that has any chance
of passing. But I think we're in a unique moment
in history right now. We're in a unique moment where
we have It's a really interesting thing. Even though the
country is very deeply divided when it comes to state legislatures,
Republicans are actually a approaching supermajority control, which means we
can do things that you know, our constitution was set
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up for supermajorities to make make decisions. We're actually in
a position way because we have on the preciss of
being a supermajority to actually start this process. And so
what that means is people have to get you know,
go to Conventional States dot com, sign up and get
active in your state. Every state their fifteen states have
passed it. But even those states are active. Why because
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the people in Texas, for example, which has already passed this,
or Florida, which has already passed this, actually make calls
into the states that haven't and do work that help
help the other states that are in the process of passing,
like Wisconsin, which we expect to vote in January February.
North Carolina, another state that's passed one house, is waiting
for the other House to pass Iowa, another state, Pennsylvania.
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I can go down the list. I mean, there's there's
a lot of states that right now that one house
has passed or both, they're considering very seriously of doing something.
That is Nebraska another one And this gave is great
because there's only one house in the Bransco. So there's
no there's not two bodies, there's only one. And so
those are the states that are I guess teed up
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for next year. So we can get a few more states,
you know, in line before the twenty twenty two elections.
And then the second thing is you can get involved politically.
We're going to be working hard in a handful of
states to flip state legislatures so we can get in
we can get into position to get to that thirty
four in the next couple of years. Wow. All right,
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so there's a real chance of this. That's part of
the reason why you're spending. Yeah, there are five Convention
of the States has five million people, five million people
who have who have who support this cause. And literally
we have volunteers who are designated who are captains in
every state legislative district in America. Everyone. We have people
who are working in the in those areas. So this
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is a I was surprised at the length at the
strength of this organization. There's like some paid, full and
part time people in the organization. We're all over the
place every single day in American I'm not exaggerating this.
Every single day in America, we're doing an event. I mean,
this is this is a This is the conservative grassroots
premier grassroots conservative organization in the country where they are.
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They are on fire because they see the potential of this.
They have a lot of people, as I think you,
and I was one of them, who was feeling somewhat
helpless that we could ever steer this ship and turn
it around. And this is the mechanism to do it.
And look, I'm as skeptical as anybody you'll find in
politics about these things, but to me, this I see
a path. All right. Now, you know the question I'm
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going to ask you. Republicans in Congress are going to
probably fight this and tell you every reason why you
shouldn't support it, mainly because they're going to be terrified
that they're gonna lose their jobs over this exact. It's
the it's the old bulls it's it's the folks who've
been around a long long time who who think this,
you know, we can't let those states, you know, tell
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us you know what we can and can't do. This
is a threat to Washington. I mean, this is a
serious threat. And I can tell you that there are
folks in Washington and certainly in the Democratic side, all
of them, but even some on the Republican side who
are because I was just at ALEC, which is the
American Legislative Exchange Council, which is the conservative state legislators, uh,
you know national group. Uh. And so I just met
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yesterday in San Diego with with hundreds of state legislators
and you know, some of them walking say, you know,
my senator doesn't support this. I said, yeah, Jay, I'm
not surprised. And that's a Republican senator. Uh and and
and and I said, well, we're you so I disagree
with them. I said, well great, I said, you know, uh,
you know, and it's not just because a term limits,
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it's it's because of power. It's because they want to
be able to spend, they want to be able to
get involved in every aspect of your life. Even as
a Republican that's the sad part. We've sort of we've
sort of lost our bearings in Washington, DC. And that's
why the founders gave the authority of the states people
closer to the people to make this decision and to
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curb this power. It's incredible. Senator. Lastly, again one more time.
If people want to go to the website, they want
to get involved, they want to do this in their state,
where do they go. Convention of States dot com is
the website. You can go sign up. Let me assure
you one of the things I will guarantee you we
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will be in touch. I mean, they are really The
team is terrific. It's it's large, and it's growing, and uh,
you know, one of the one of the things that's
great about this is that people see a path now,
there's a runaway to get this done, and there's just
a tremendous amount of exciting right now. We're being able
to frankly, we're doing we're being very successful in raising
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money right now, and we're building the organization out so
so joined be a partisan. And by the way, the
great thing about this organization is we just don't do
Convention the States, particularly in states that have already passed it.
These are these people. These these folks are out there
in the grassroots. Are the ones who are involved in
the school board elections, the fight's transgender policies, and CRT.
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They're the ones who are out there, you know, working
in Virginia. We had literally hundreds of people here in
Virginia to not just to help Glenn Young can get elected,
but to win the delegate races. We picked up the
House of Delegates here in Virginia and and Convention of
the States. Not the nonprofit side, but we have a
political arm that that did a lot of the work
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that helped that help that be become a reality. It's
great work. We'll have you back, I'm sure very soon
with updates Former Senator Rick Santor and former President You
can thank you, sir. Always a pleasure chat with you,
and we'll do it again soon, my pleasure of friend,
God bless all Right, we'll take a break, we'll come back.
I'll get some of your reaction to this, anything that
you just heard that if you missed anything or you
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Total disaster. That is what we are witnessing take place
in this country right now because of out of control
government spending, inflation, and people that are just stopping even
looking for a job. Now, there are numbers out that
are telling us just how bad things are, and I
want you to understand exactly what the left will tell
you and what Democrats are going to say to make
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this sound better. All right now, before I get into
all these details about what's happening in the economy, these
shocking job numbers, in a moment, want to give your
heads up. We're going to be joined by former presidential candidate,
former Senator Rick Santorum, because he is now put together
an incredible agenda to actually reign in Congress, and Congress
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if we decide to do this at the state level,
cannot stop us. This is how we stop the insane
government spending of the Republicans as much as the Democrats
are doing right now trying to bankrupt this country. So
make sure that you share this podcast right now with
your family and friends at the little forward button and
share it on social media, because you're gonna want to
hear this game plan that Rick Santorum is focused on
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right Now it's something that my good friend Mark Levin
has also been talking about, and it's a way to
use the Constitution Article five for us to actually we'll
fight back in an incredible way. And he's going to
give us the blueprint for this. You're gonna want to
take notes. Coming up in a moment, he will join us.
But before we do that, I've got to get these
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updates for you on where we are with this economy.
The US economy added just two hundred and ten thousand
jobs in November. Now, this is normally a month that
the number of people that are hired skyrockets because you
need employment for the holidays. How bad this miss expectations
buy more than three hundred thousand jobs. How bad is
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Biden inflation? Let me give you this number. Surging fuel
prices are now hurting poor Americans more than anybody else,
which we knew was going to happen, all because the
Biden administration deliberately and purpose he decided that we were
going to arbitrarily make the price of gas and oil
go up so that people would be forcing the submission
to buy electric cars and get on the kumbaya bandwagon
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of global warming. Therefore, we've seen a surge in fuel prices.
They undid everything Trump did to give us independence, energy, independence,
and the rest of the world. And now the terrorists
in the Middle East are making them more money than
they know what to do with, so they're going to
fund terrorism. Just so you know. Now, across the US
over the past year, these fuel prices have skyrocketed. Who
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is that hurting. It is hitting the poorest Americans, the
most majority of those people actually voted for Joe Biden.
These new report that came out and was published today
the Financial Times set out price rises and they set
them out and that have hit the country's biggest parts
the economy and where it's the drivers, it's everyday motorists.
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It's forcing many to overhaul the way they work or
ditch their jobs entirely because they can't afford to get
from point A to point B. This is also hurting
companies like Uber and Left, the two biggest rides sharing
apps out there. And now they're even trying to use
the burden by encouraging a switch to electric vehicles for
their drivers. Now, notice this is exactly what the Left
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wants you to do. It's the same exact thing they're
doing with COVID nineteen. You're going to submit to the
way that we're telling you must live your life, and
if you don't, you will become an outcast. We are
going to have two different class of citizenship in America,
those that agree with the tyrants and those that don't.
So this is no different than their game plan that
they're using with COVID nineteen. You're gonna get the vaccine,
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you're gonna get triple vacs, quadruple vacs. You're gonna do
whatever we tell you to do. You're gonna wear a
mask even if even if you're triple vacs, because we're
totally in control and we're tyrants over you. That's exactly
what Fauci's doing. It is no different than their energy policy.
You know, you have an energy secretary that didn't even
know what the consumption of American barrels of oil were
per day. That's a pretty normal number that you would
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know if you're the energy secretary. Now the question is
why did the Energy secretary not know this two weeks ago?
Because she doesn't care, because her job is not to
actually have energy independence or low gas prices or to
help the American consumer. Her job is to implement what
you just heard from Uber and Lyft, which they're implementing
from the federal government. They're trying to tell their people
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that are driving their cars, Hey, you need to switch
to an electric vehicle. Financial times, as many drivers are
frustrated as the prices are weighing, particularly on the bottom
end of the income scale, drivers seem to be driving less,
said Melissa Berry, editor of The Rideshare Guy, an industry blog. Well,
that's exactly what democrats want, right. They want you to
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drive less because they're trying to save the environment, they claim,
which means they have to dictate to you how you
live your life and force you into changes. I want
to go back to when you had Barack Obama office,
and he's not the Keystone pipeline. You have an energy
secretary then, who actually said on the record at one point,
we America US do what Europe has done, and we
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must make a gallon of gas as high as it
is in Europe to force people into submission so they'll
start taking public transportation, ride sharing and electric vehicles. Now,
when that was said back in twenty ten, whenever that
was all right? Early first first part of Obama's presidency,
the price of gas per gallon in America was like
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two forty two thirty a gallon, and people were getting mad.
The price of a gallon of gas in Europe was
like seven to eight dollars because they selling leaders, so
a couple of several leaders to make a gallon. You
get the point, and their price per gallon over there
was like eight plus dollars. And that was back in
O eight oh nine. So imagine now what they want
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gas prices to get to so that you'll be forced
to do what ubern Lift is telling their clients, right,
are their workers to do? Go get you an electric vehicle?
Suck it up. Now. The fact that Melissa Buried, the
editor of ride share Guiss drivers seem to be driving less.
That should tell you something as well. It's working. What
the Left wanting to do is it's working. This change
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in the way the gig economy works in response to
fuel prices quote has no doubt exacerbated the drivers shortage
that Uber and Lyft have been periodically finding themselves in.
Did you know recently Uber and Lift or having problems
finding people to drive cars? Why? Because of gas prices?
The price posts at corner gas stations is killing the
ride sharing business. They're fine with us. They want you
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to travel less, they want you to ride in fewer cars,
and they want to control every aspect of your life. Now.
Retreating the old market over the past week may bring
down retail petrol prices some, but so far drivers have
yet to see that price drop be actually passed them
at the pump. It takes a week or two to
get through the system now to cover extra fuel costs,
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many gig drivers have adopted adapt to what changes, including
rejecting more customers who are far away. Others are just
quitting altogether. Quote. Some drivers have been decreasing the amount
of hours that they do. Some drivers have gone looking
for other jobs. That's what Beth Griffin, a former Uber
and Lyft driver who heads the Boston Independent Drivers Guild, said.
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An online poll conducted this week by The Rideshare Guy
found ninety one percent of rideshare drivers worry about petrol prices,
and about half of drivers were driving less. Again, mission accomplished.
This is music to your ears if you're a tyrant
in the Biden administration. In fact, twelve percent of firm
they stopped driving entirely as a result of the high
gas prices. Again, this is exactly what the left wants.
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They are going to celebrate this, this is good news. Now,
let's go back to the economy here. ABC News had
it this way when they were talking about the American
public being forced to try to figure out ways to
not only save money right now, but also the rising
prices at the pump, from the supermarket to retail stores
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and the stops at the gas pump in between. Americans
are keenly aware of rising prices. What's currently driving a
lot of the increase now are things you've probably been
hearing a lot about supply chain glitches, lack of available
truckers to deliver goods and services, and short of workers
to produce a lot of those goods and services. There
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it is right, a lot of goods and services. In
other words, the economy is going to crap and everybody
knows it. And all of this directly connects back to
the president. Now, Bloomberg said, the job numbers are a
real surprise, only half of what we actually anticipated. And
the reason why is because there are a lot of
people that said, screw and I'm just going to stand
the government. Diamond definitely. It's too expensive to try to
get a job, too expensive to get there, too expensive
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drive there, can't afford it, so you just keep sending
me free money from the taxpayers. A change in non
farm payrolls comes in only half the level we anticipated
two hundred and ten thousand. That's a real surprise, and
that is going to cause some head scratching at the FED.
What do we do about that? I say, exactly what
the head scratching is it the Fed? They're saying, holy crap,
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people are just saying we're not working anymore. Wall Street
Journal reporter on MSNBC this morning put it this way,
what's your gut first reaction to the job stomp them? Well,
this is a miss. You know. It's economists. As you said,
we're expecting around five hundred and seventy three thousand jobs.
We got significantly less than that. I think what you're
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seeing here is what economists have been talking about throughout
the entire pandemic, which is that, you know, the trajectory
of the economy is really gonna depend on the trajectory
of the virus and how people are responding to that. Now,
this is where I have to call BS. This is
the bailout that the media is going to keep using.
If the economy is bad for Joe Biden. It's really
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because okay, it's really because quote the pandemic. White House
Press Secretary Jansaki was on set on MSNBC this morning
and they asked her about the job numbers. She didn't
want to talk about it, so she deflected by saying,
this jobs number just crossed two hundred and ten jobs.
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Just to add it, so two hundred and ten thousand.
So if we look at that breaking news right now,
that's a number that feels a little what a little off? Well,
I know this sounds a little archaic, but I can't
comment on them until nine thirty by rules not work
at Yeah, but there you go, and they all laugh,
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they all laugh. I can't comment on that till nine thirty,
even though we know exactly what the numbers are. Really,
So do the American people know what's going on right now? Yes?
And don't blame it on COVID. You can't blame this
on COVID, CNBC. Santelli said, the American public knows what's
going on. It's Biden inflation. Don't blame this on COVID.
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You've made and done things policies that have made prices skyrocket.
You did this. This has nothing to do with COVID,
because prices were low with COVID when Trump was the president.
It's American public knows, they know what's going on. You
know how many times a week or a month do
you fill your car up? You know how many times
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do you get the bill for your kids at school,
whether it's private or college. You know these prices. I
just had a furnace go out. I was shocked. I
was shocked at how much some of this stuff has
gone up in the last couple of years. This is
a multi millionaire on CNBC saying he's shocked at how
bad prices have gotten, how much stuff has gone up
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in the last couple of years. That should tell you
everything you want to you need to know. And people
aren't buying this. You can't blame COVID forever for everything
when you're the president. I taits American. By the way,
when you ran, you actually said, you actually said that
you were gonna fix it all. Ron Brownstein at CNN said, quote,
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inflation is a very clear and present danger for all Democrats. Now,
I hope so I hope people get their heads other
ear end and realize just how bad things are. So
the question now becomes, what do we do in states
to fight back? How do we fight back against this
insane spending that's going on. We had another stop gap
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bill filled with port Beryl's spending that took place where
we won't have a government shut down, and there's tons
of crap in there that have nothing to do with
anything that's going to benefit you or me. Port Beryl
spending their whoring out. The government right now is being
hoard out by these old men and the Republican and
the Democratic side who say, I'm not gonna have to
pay for this disaster. I'll be dead when hell comes
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and when there's hell to pay for all of this.
And they're just spending money because they know they'll be
dead before they have to pay it back. How do
we stop them? Joining me to talk about this, Like
I said, as former US Senator and former President kenned
Rick Sentorium senator, we were talking this week a conversation
that was started very organically about what's going on the
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Supreme Court and with abortion and what looks to be
a significant victory for protecting life and I literally said
to you. I was like, all right, tell me everything
you're doing now, and you said, I'm working on something
and I'm working hard because I think there's a real
chance that we can have victories when it comes to
states being able to fight back against the government in
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DC and the extreme overreach is taking place. And you
actually said we're very close. I said, all right, hold on,
I gotta get you on the podcast because I wanted
to talk to you about how this is working. So
if you'll lay it out, and I say this, everybody listening,
Number one, share this. If you get to hear this,
share it. Okay, share it with your family, Share it
with your friends. Grab a pencil and paper, and start
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taking notes right now because you're gonna want to otherwise
you're gonna go, oh my gosh, I miss that. And
good news as you can rewind and go back in
the podcast and listen again, but make sure you share this.
So how did you even get involved in how did
this get started? What you're doing now? Well, first off,
thanks Ben, thanks for the opportunity. And I'm excited about
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this because I think that everyone knows that Washington is broken.
Everyone knows that it has accumulated power. It is. The
foundational structure of our government has been shifted over the
past really a hundred years by the Supreme Court who
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has basically reinterpreted, as we see in ro versus Way,
reinterpreted the Constitution to mean whatever it wants, and so
doing has dramatically expanded the power of the federal government.
You know, the commerce clause, for example, now means the
federal government can basically do anything. And that's not the
way our country was set up. That's not what made
our country great. It's not how our federal federal system
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of government was designed to work and has worked so well.
And it's the reason we see the division in our
because the federal government is now trying to make every
American from someone living in rural Montana to someone living
in New York City, played by the same rules. You've got,
everything has to be the same. Everything's guided out of Washington,
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and our founders understood that people living in different places
with different values, if we were going to live together,
we had to have the freedom to live our lives
the way we want to live in as much, you know,
within certain broad structures, but to give flexibility between the
states and between localities, you know, for differences, and that
we could have certain shared values that unite us, but
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there would be other things that wouldn't. And that's why,
for example, you see people moving from California to Texas
or moving from New York to Florida because they they
understand that there are differences, but the federal government, the left,
the progressives over time have tried to minimize those difference
and impose their values on the country. And so when
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people come to me and say, you know, what can
we do about it? I say, well, you know, we
need structural reform. We can't just you know, expect Washington
and Congress when we happen to get power maybe again someday,
to fix it. Because you know what, every time we've
gotten power, we haven't fixed you know, Ronald Reagan was
a great president. We had majorities in the House and Senate.
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We didn't fix it. You know, George W. Bush the
same thing, had majority, we didn't fix it. Donald Trump,
we didn't fix it. And when you're talking about fixing it,
we're talking about basic things like for example, Republicans have
run you've you've seen this when you were running right
repeal Obamacare, we don't do it, or they say things
like we need to balance budget amendment, and they never
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do it when they have the opportunity to do it.
And now look at where our deficit is exactly, and
look at where the concentration of power is. It's now
almost all in the executive. The Congress is feckless, they
can't do anything, and the courts simply, you know, step
aside and let frankly, now both parties sort of get
away with with doing whatever they want out of the
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out of the presidency. And here's why I came to
this moment is when I and look, I supported every
almost everything Donald Trump did. I mean, there are a
couple of minor things, but by and large I thought
he did a great job. But a lot of what
he did he did out of the executive orders and
rules and things, and and we cheered along and said, yeah,
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you know, let's do it. Let's stick it to them.
And we said, well, wait a minute, you know, the
constitution doesn't allow him to do some of this these things.
And we're now of the have gone I think almost
as bad as the other side, which is, if we
get power, we're going to force our agenda and we're
going to ignore the Constitution and let the president do everything.
That's just not a good idea. And well, and it
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also president, as you know, is everything. If you do something,
then the other side feels validated in doing it again,
and then you fast forward ten years and it's totally
out of control. It's the same conversation that we were
having about court packing recently, where are like, well, fine,
if they packed the court, referring to when we'll just
pack the court back again, and then before you know,
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we got fifty Supreme Court justices. Yeah, wrong, and and
so so the question is structural, how do we do it?
And and and here's the here's the great thing to
the constitutionalists out there, people who love our constitution. The
constitution provides a way for us to fix this. And
people say, oh, I love the Constrent, I love you know,
the Second Amendment, the First Amendment. Uh, well you also
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should love Article five because Article five was in the
original constitutions, not an amendment. It's part of the original Constitution.
And it's a it's a provision that says, here's how
we can amend the Constitution going forward. And and and
there's two ways. One is the way it's always been done,
which and by the way, let me hit pause itive
real quick, because you may have heard a lot about
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Article five if you listen to our good friend Mark Levin.
He has been talking about this for eight for I
would say decades, and there are so many people in
politics that said, no, no no, no, I'm not going to
have to waste my time legal and waste my time
with you article five. I'm just going to win an election,
get elected, and then and then basically do nothing, which
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is what you were just referencing. And the reason why
Article five, I think now is so important that people
are paying attention to it is that we're starting to
see that the only way conservatives are winning on government
overreach when it comes to COVID nineteen and these mandates
and forcing people to get a vaccine, to keep their
job and to do certain things, and I call it
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COVID racism. We are witnessing with this administration COVID racism
where they're trying to make two set different sectors of society,
two different classes of citizens. And the only way that
we're winning right now is through actually fighting in the
legal system with the constitution, which goes back to the
point that I think you're about to make, which is,
forget screwing around in essence with politics for a moment.
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We can totally fundamentally get the game change back to
what it was supposed to be. We're not We're not
changing something moving forward, just going back to order. Found
their wanted and the abuses that have happened over the
last decade after decade after decade, getting away from the
Constitution by specifically focusing on Article five. Yeah, using the
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constitutional remedy that the founders put in place to fix
what they thought was going to happen someday. And I
mentioned the first way to amend the Constitution was for
Congress to do it. But they realized that at some
point the federal government was going to get out of control.
And because it happens in every society, there is the
concentration of power. People who are in power seek more power,
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and that's what's happened. And so they provided a second mechanism,
and that's for the state legislatures to ament to propose
a Convention of the States, to propose amendments to be
sent to the states for ratifications. So let me just
sort of walk that back. So the provision in the
Constitution says that if two thirds of the states, in
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this case thirty four states, legislatures governors have nothing to
do with this. If the legislatures in thirty four states
pass a resolution, that all of them are the same,
so it's the same resolution. Pass a resolution to call
for a Convention of the States, then automatically it is called.
Congress has to certify it. But the thirty four states
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did it, but they have no role in it other
than that. So thirty four states have to pass it. Now,
what is the Convention of the States resolution we're proposing.
We're proposing three things that there'd be a convention held
with all fifty states participating. And by the way, the
states participating would be appointed by the state legislature. Every
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stake gets one vote, so California doesn't get anymore votes.
In Alaska, every stake gets one vote. And the purpose
of the convention is to propose amendments that cover three areas.
Number one, and I think this is the most important
to limit the power of the federal government. All right, Rick,
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I want to go back to what you were saying
a moment ago. I want to go over these three
different ways that we can use Article five that you
just started in. Let's start all over article five. What
are the three things that you're trying to accomplish to
actually get this done. So the resolution that we are
asking state legislatures to adopt, and fifteen states have adopted
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them so far. We need thirty four. But the resolution
calls for three types of amendments that will be in order,
in other words, to be able to be proposed at
at the Convention of the States that will be called
if we get thirty four states to pass this resolution.
One is to limit the power of the federal government.
I think it's the most important because what it says
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is that we can pass amendments that return the power
to the states and to the people that has been
now userved by the federal government. For example, education, it
is very clear from the Constitution that education is a
state and local function, but the federal government through that
through you know, the commerce clause or whatever clause the
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Screenport figured out, decided note we can let the federal
government legislated mandate and tell everybody how to run their schools.
We can pass an amendment or propose amendment that these
states could ratify that says the federal governments to spend
no money on primary second education, or can spend no
money on higher education. Think of what what how how
higher education has been corrupted because the federal government just
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funnels billions and billions of dollars in there uh to
and to to prop up what is the ballwork the
think tank for the left wing in the United States
of America. So that's one example, but there's a whole
host of other areas where the federal government has intruded
on state and local authority and on individual rights that
you could propose amendments to limit that authority. So that's
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number one. Number two and this is one that's been
around for a long time, to limit the spending power
of Washington. Other words of balance. So I really, I
really want to dive into that for a second because
number two is I think, actually for my kid's future
and the future of this country, and where it's just
seeing that you have being honest, it's a it's a
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Joe's Basically, they're saying, we'll do whatever the hell we
want to do and spend as much money as we
want to spend to stay in power, and because we
don't have to pay for this because we're gonna die
before that. You know what hits the fan the fact
that we've gone from spending billions to hundreds of billions
to now trillions of dollars of money that we don't have,
(24:33):
paying hundreds of billions of dollars in debt on the
debt that we're borrowing, and giving places like China the
power over us because of our debt load. Should scare
the hell out of everybody. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to rick
because the word trillion, it is impossible to get your
head around how much money that actually is exactly exactly, Yeah,
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And so this provides an opportunity to put a balanced
budget amendment before the states. Are tax limitation amendments, you know,
only certain levels of taxation spending limitation. So any type
of amendment that would would constrain the spending of the
federal government would be in order to be proposed for
ratification to the states. And the third is a term
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limit amendment. Now, most of the term amendents you've heard
of as a term limits on members of Congress. I'm
someone ambivalent about that. There's some good sides and bad
sides of it. But this is not just term limits
of members of Congress, it's term limits of all federal
efficial So what does that mean. That means potentially justice,
this is free court or judges, and it also means
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the deep state. You can actually, we can actually propose
amendments that actually could limit the amount of tenure of
the deputy assistant Secretary of State or or you know,
somebody somebody deep within the bowels that we know has
been there and will be there, you know, for ten
presidents and doesn't pay any attention to what the president
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once does what they want to do and has their
own agenda. And so having the ability to attack the
deep state by limiting terms of executive branch officers, not
just Congress and judges, I think is a very important
part of reforming Washington, DC. You mentioned, you mentioned these things,
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and let's just look at applying them today. You know,
the House Republicans are divided on the purpose of a
vaccination database bill, and the question was asked, which is it?
Burgess asked us, will this ensure that information remains confidential
and kept private. Many believe this is a complete government overreach.
It's a violation of you know, of your medical records.
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By the federal government. This is a perfect example of
what you could reign in if we accomplish what you're
talking about, the same thing where the Senate Republicans just
cave to help pass a you know, the stop gap
funding to avoid a government shutdown, which is just filled
with insane amounts of spending. I mean, it grants seven
billion in funding for the resettlement of Afghan refugees, for example,
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but money's not going directly to Americans and citizens that
were hurt because of the COVID lockdowns. It makes no sense. Well,
I mean all of these things. I mean, obviously they've
got a lot of current issues, but you know what
this will get at is just limiting the power, the scope,
and the concentration of power in individuals in Washington. All
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of these are problems that are reflected by some of
the examples that you're giving right now. So those are
the three things that this resolution would call for. And again,
the process how that would work is we get thirty
four states. You say, wow, thirty four states, you only
have fifteen, you have nineteen states to go. Here's here's
the interesting thing that most people don't realize. Thirty one
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of the fifty state legislatures are now controlled by Republicans
in two states are divided. Minnesota and Virginia have one
House Republican, one House Democrat, which we have very confident
given the twenty two twenty two elections coming up in
the twenty twenty three if in the case of Virginia,
we have a lot of confidence that we're going to
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flip both of those states, so we'll be at thirty three,
will be one state short of the thirty four we need.
And we have several states everywhere from Washington to Maine.
Those are two of them that if we could flip
one of about four or five states that are actually
fairly close right now, closely divided in an election year
which looks to be a landslide type of election for Republicans,
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we can get the thirty four thirty five states and
now all of a sudden, if every Republican legislator in
those states votes to support this. And by the way,
every progressive group is vehemently against this, George Soros vehemently
against it, every left wing group is against it, every
conservative group is for this. So there's no reason for
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any Republican moderate to conservative not to support restoring federalism,
not to support limiting the power of the federal government
over the individuals and try to make everybody conform to
what Washington believes as best for everybody. So if we
can get to thirty four, which I think we can
either next year or the year after, then all of
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a sudden, the safety on the gun is off and
we can fire and get this thing done. Not ten
years from now, but in a year or two. We
can actually get a convention of the States called under
these under this resolution that allows for these types of amendments,
have a convention, and let's have a real great national
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debate as to what we want for the future of
our country to the power to be invested in Washington
and the power to be invested states, localities, and individuals.
All right, let me play pessimist here because I just
don't trust Republicans for good reasons that are in power.
Why would somebody in the legislature in these states and
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why what would be their logic or their reasoning for
fighting against this, Because you know there's Republicans they have
either they have you know, the dream of serving in
Congress where they wouldn't want to be quote term limited
or not be able to do their port rail spending
to hook up their buddies. I mean, Republicans sucked just
as much as Democrats do many times. I know hardcore
conservatives are in favor of this, but but you know,
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there's going to be some pushback. So what are their
arguments going to be and how do we prepare for
those on the front end. Yeah, the arguments that I've
heard so far against them is actually it's interesting, almost
all the arguments that are used are arguments that were
put forward in a law review article opposing this, this
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Convention of the States, I think about twenty years at
the moment, it was maybe as ten years ago. That
was put together by and you see these arguments and
I and I pull out this law review article and say, oh,
by the way, you know who made this argument initially
Larry Tribe. Now you know who Larry Tribe is. Lawrence
Tribe is an is a progressive law professor who's who's
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been one of the great you know, uh, you know,
thorns in the sides of of conservatives for for probably
forty years. And so every argument are the arguments the
left makes about it, and for some reason we adopt
and the other person who's come out and did and
did a long treatise on this was believe or not
Justice Warren Burger. Now, most of the people who you
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you are listening to the show, don't know who Justice
Warren Burger is. But Justice Warren Burger was the chief
Justice of the Supreme Court and was and voted with
the majority and Row versus Wade. And so this this
is who conservatives are using to say, Oh, look at
what these people say could happen, and and the reality
is the things that they're saying. One is that oh well,
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once once the convention is called, all these were opening
up everything that constant that you know, we could have
a runaway can mention and all these terrible ideas could
be put forward. Well, Number one, that there's law. It's
called the Article five, has court cases and history both
as states and even before that when we were colonies.
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How conventions of States operate and they are operated under
the rules of the resolution that calls it. And so
these are all three of the points that I talked
about before. Limit the power of the federal government. So
no amendment that expands the power of the federal government
would be in order. Number one. But even if let's
say a convention called by the way, when thirty four
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states are controlled by Republicans, and those thirty four states
are appointing delegates to that convention. So again, I mean,
you've got a super majority of Republican legislators who are
going to be the delegates at this convention. But assuming
they you know, go crazy and they you know, you know,
disseminate drugs there, and something crazy happens and they ignore
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the law of the Article five and they pass some
crazy amendment, it still has to go to the states
and be ratified by thirty eight state legislatures, again, thirty
four of which are controlled by Republicans. So the idea
that this is going to be a runaway convention is
just folly. I mean, the reality is that there is
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an appetite in this country to constrain the power of
the federal government, and we are providing the only mechanism
that could in fact do that. And Rick, you go
through this game plan of how to take back our
power and from a state's perspective, takeaway power from the executive,
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takeaway power from Washington, be able to do things like
get our country spending under control. And there's two questions. One,
no matter where you're listening right now, what do you
need to do now? How do you get this playbook?
Where do you get the guidance that you're describing. Let's
deal with that one first, and I want to deal
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with the how do you fight back against Republicans are
probably gonna do anything they can to try to screw
this up. Go ahead first with how do we find
out more? How do we get more information? How do
we start working on this. It's called Convention of States
dot com. That's the that's the website. You go to
Convention State dot com or US on Facebook, your rumble
LinkedIn everybody, I mean, all these all the social media
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sites were on. So it's Convention of States dot com
and you can you can sign up to volunteer. There's
all sorts of information you can dig into, all of
the great details, get all the questions answered that uh
that that you're going to be confronted with by folks
who are skeptics. Look, you know, I was, I was
a congressman, I was a senator. Lots of people brought
really big, great ideas, and the initial thing, if it's
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a big idea, I'm really skeptical that has any chance
of passing. But I think we're in a unique moment
in history right now. We're in a unique moment where
we have It's a really interesting thing. Even though the
country is very deeply divided when it comes to state legislatures,
Republicans are actually a approaching supermajority control, which means we
can do things that you know, our constitution was set
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up for supermajorities to make make decisions. We're actually in
a position way because we have on the preciss of
being a supermajority to actually start this process. And so
what that means is people have to get you know,
go to Conventional States dot com, sign up and get
active in your state. Every state their fifteen states have
passed it. But even those states are active. Why because
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the people in Texas, for example, which has already passed this,
or Florida, which has already passed this, actually make calls
into the states that haven't and do work that help
help the other states that are in the process of passing,
like Wisconsin, which we expect to vote in January February.
North Carolina, another state that's passed one house, is waiting
for the other House to pass Iowa, another state, Pennsylvania.
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I can go down the list. I mean, there's there's
a lot of states that right now that one house
has passed or both, they're considering very seriously of doing something.
That is Nebraska another one And this gave is great
because there's only one house in the Bransco. So there's
no there's not two bodies, there's only one. And so
those are the states that are I guess teed up
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for next year. So we can get a few more states,
you know, in line before the twenty twenty two elections.
And then the second thing is you can get involved politically.
We're going to be working hard in a handful of
states to flip state legislatures so we can get in
we can get into position to get to that thirty
four in the next couple of years. Wow. All right,
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so there's a real chance of this. That's part of
the reason why you're spending. Yeah, there are five Convention
of the States has five million people, five million people
who have who have who support this cause. And literally
we have volunteers who are designated who are captains in
every state legislative district in America. Everyone. We have people
who are working in the in those areas. So this
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is a I was surprised at the length at the
strength of this organization. There's like some paid, full and
part time people in the organization. We're all over the
place every single day in American I'm not exaggerating this.
Every single day in America, we're doing an event. I mean,
this is this is a This is the conservative grassroots
premier grassroots conservative organization in the country where they are.
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They are on fire because they see the potential of this.
They have a lot of people, as I think you,
and I was one of them, who was feeling somewhat
helpless that we could ever steer this ship and turn
it around. And this is the mechanism to do it.
And look, I'm as skeptical as anybody you'll find in
politics about these things, but to me, this I see
a path. All right. Now, you know the question I'm
(37:42):
going to ask you. Republicans in Congress are going to
probably fight this and tell you every reason why you
shouldn't support it, mainly because they're going to be terrified
that they're gonna lose their jobs over this exact. It's
the it's the old bulls it's it's the folks who've
been around a long long time who who think this,
you know, we can't let those states, you know, tell
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us you know what we can and can't do. This
is a threat to Washington. I mean, this is a
serious threat. And I can tell you that there are
folks in Washington and certainly in the Democratic side, all
of them, but even some on the Republican side who
are because I was just at ALEC, which is the
American Legislative Exchange Council, which is the conservative state legislators, uh,
you know national group. Uh. And so I just met
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yesterday in San Diego with with hundreds of state legislators
and you know, some of them walking say, you know,
my senator doesn't support this. I said, yeah, Jay, I'm
not surprised. And that's a Republican senator. Uh and and
and and I said, well, we're you so I disagree
with them. I said, well great, I said, you know, uh,
you know, and it's not just because a term limits,
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it's it's because of power. It's because they want to
be able to spend, they want to be able to
get involved in every aspect of your life. Even as
a Republican that's the sad part. We've sort of we've
sort of lost our bearings in Washington, DC. And that's
why the founders gave the authority of the states people
closer to the people to make this decision and to
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curb this power. It's incredible. Senator. Lastly, again one more time.
If people want to go to the website, they want
to get involved, they want to do this in their state,
where do they go. Convention of States dot com is
the website. You can go sign up. Let me assure
you one of the things I will guarantee you we
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will be in touch. I mean, they are really The
team is terrific. It's it's large, and it's growing, and uh,
you know, one of the one of the things that's
great about this is that people see a path now,
there's a runaway to get this done, and there's just
a tremendous amount of exciting right now. We're being able
to frankly, we're doing we're being very successful in raising
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money right now, and we're building the organization out so
so joined be a partisan. And by the way, the
great thing about this organization is we just don't do
Convention the States, particularly in states that have already passed it.
These are these people. These these folks are out there
in the grassroots. Are the ones who are involved in
the school board elections, the fight's transgender policies, and CRT.
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They're the ones who are out there, you know, working
in Virginia. We had literally hundreds of people here in
Virginia to not just to help Glenn Young can get elected,
but to win the delegate races. We picked up the
House of Delegates here in Virginia and and Convention of
the States. Not the nonprofit side, but we have a
political arm that that did a lot of the work
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that helped that help that be become a reality. It's
great work. We'll have you back, I'm sure very soon
with updates Former Senator Rick Santor and former President You
can thank you, sir. Always a pleasure chat with you,
and we'll do it again soon, my pleasure of friend,
God bless all Right, we'll take a break, we'll come back.
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