Monsters Among Us: John Wayne Gacy and the Real World of Psychopaths

In his book, THAT BEAST WAS NOT ME, forensic psychologist Jeffrey Smalldon talks about his close encounters with Bundy, Manson and John Wayne Gacy, among other psychopaths. Phelps speaks with Jeff about his prison visits to see Gacy, his interactions with Charles Manson and his gang of disciples, and the shocking revelations he uncovered along the way. 

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M. William Phelps is the New York Times best-selling author of 46 nonfiction books and winner of the Excellence in (Investigative) Journalism Award from the Society of Professional Journalists. Phelps has written for numerous publications1, including the Providence Journal, Connecticut Magazine and Hartford Courant. Diversifying his talents, Phelps consulted on the first season of the hit Showtime cable television series Dexter and has executive produced and starred in over 350 hours of true crime television. All of which gives him a confluence of expertise and experience to bring to true crime fanatics.

Phelps grew up in East Hartford, Connecticut, and now splits his time between Tolland County and N. Stonington, CT. In July 2017, he published his definitive, 10-year project about Happy Face Killer, Keith Hunter Jesperson, DANGEROUS GROUND: My Friendship with a Serial Killer.