Steven Soderbergh & Erin Brockovich (2000) featuring The Softies

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Case is the Place. Casey O'Brien, how are.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You, Millie. I'm good. That was an exciting intro. Case
is the Place. I like that. I haven't heard that before.
Sometimes people call me case closed. That's something Sometimes people
will say to me case closed, or they'll say case adilla,
casa case. So you know that. I like it when

(00:29):
people call me case though very few people do, but
I like it. Patrick, I know he was one of
the few. My former co host of our show fart House,
my previous podcast Pal But yes, doing great. I'm very
excited to talk about the movie we're discussing today, and
just everything surrounding this episode is like, it's just this

(00:52):
this show. This episode is vibrating. It feels like there's
so much going on with it. Obviously, we'll start the
show by opening up our film diary cre and talking
about the movies we've most recently watched. And what else
are we talking about, Millie.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well, we're going to talk about this because as a
twenty fifth anniversary, literally like any day it's the actual
twenty like it was released in March of two thousand.
This movie we want to talk about Aaron Barakovic, Steven
Soderberg's Aaron Barakovich from obviously the year two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I came out on March fourteenth two, What does this
subsid come out? This is going to call it the eighteenth,
so four days prior, so really right on schedule. We're
really lucked in.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Really we really typed it. We were like, you know,
let's do it at eleven fifty nine pm.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
So we have that going.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
We're going to also just talk about, you know, Steven
Soderberg as a director. You know, he's very popular, also
very interesting. I think I'd love to hear what you
think about him as a filmmaker, So you know, we'll
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I thought, I've got thoughts, and then this is a
this is huge. We're doing another segment of My Area
of Expertise, where we bring on guests to talk about
their movie area of expertise. Today we have I would
describe them as royalty. Frankly, we have Rose Melberg and
Jen Spraga aka the Softies, and they are coming on

(02:22):
to talk about their areas of expertise, which are the
movies Rock and Roll, High School with the Ramones and
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Fabulous Stains. So that is a
really great conversation and it's going to be so fun
to talk to them about that stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Right, And if you didn't know, they did the theme
song for this damn show, so they are definitely important
and family for us. So well, stay tuned, everybody, it's
gonna be a great episode. You are listening to Dear Movies.
I love you.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
And I've got to know you love me too.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Check the books.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Deer Movies.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I am one of your hosts, Millie to Cherico.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I am your other host, Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And this is a podcast for people who are in
a very very deep, long term LTR with film, sexual, sexual, emotional, spiritual.
But yeah, I think this episode is going to be

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fun because we've got a lot of cool things coming up.
We have a good topic to talk about. It's probably
not good to talk about the oscars, right because we
should we.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Talk about this a few weeks or most, but I
think we can. You know, I think the Oscars at
the time of this recording, they happened last night. I
hope you all won your oscar pools. I hope we
were helpful in that case. You know, helping people win
some money at the their Oscar respective Oscar parties. No,
I mean it was thrilling that Honora won so many

(04:17):
Academy Awards. I mean we talked about that on our
Oscars episode. How there are some years where you just
kind of feel like you have a personal relationship with
these movies and these like underdog movies don't always win
at the Oscars, and sometimes they do, and last night
they did, And it was really cool for Sean Baker
to win Best Director. It was really cool for Mikey

(04:38):
Madison to win Best Actress, and for an Order to
win Best Picture. So it's thrilling. It's thrilling.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Eddie was Best Editing. I mean, like, honestly, I gotta admit,
I'm fucking shocked. Like me, don't just respect, no disrespect
to Sean Baker. Obviously I'm a huge fan. I'm a
follower of him on Instagram. Okay, but I I'm shocked
because you're right, we talked about this in an Oscars episode.

(05:06):
It doesn't happen often. Every so often you get some
crazy like anomaly like a parasite or a moonlight or
an an aura or something where it's like it brings
me in right obviously, Like yeah, we talked about that.
I'm not in every year, like in some years it's
fucking Green Book, and then other years this fucking crazy, awesome,

(05:26):
cheap independent movie like that is about sex work and
is like made by an actual cool group of people,
like actually cool me Mikey Madison thanks sex workers in
her speech. I mean this is like, yeah, you know,
and it's it's like an amazing thing that happened because
I'm just like, yeah, I mean it feels like kind

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of one of us in a weird way totally, and
and like subject wise, I couldn't believe it won Best Picture,
like casting crew, the whole thing. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled
by it, so me too.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean it feels like, and this is no dig
at the movie whatsoever, because I think it's an incredible movie.
But you could totally see this movie just getting dumped
on Hulu in like July randomly and people not knowing
picking picking up on it. But it's like so exciting
that this one struck a chord with people and then
it won Best Picture and I think deservedly so, And yeah,
it's just thrilling, I mean it's awesome. I don't know

(06:20):
what else about it.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
No, Yeah, to me, I felt like there was like
a moment of watching the Oscars which I watched. I
turned them on eventually. At first I was like, again,
I was doing like I'm too based for the Oscars,
even though there's a couple of things that I would
I would want to watch, but like, yeah, I turned
it on at some point, and then I was like
when they did like the James Bond like tribute thing,

(06:45):
I was like, this is why I think it's so
crazy that a Nora one because of this like this
other oscary pomp and circumstance, like you know, the fucking
Oscar pattern and like you know that stuff. It's like
the standard Oscar stuff. And then you're like, oh, yeah,
then this cool movie one. So that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, but I want to hear about what is going
on in your film diary. Show me your diary. Let
me read your diary, Millie Cree.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's a thousand year old paper being show thumbed through.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's like the Book of the Dead. Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's like there's a face in it and then on
the cover. Okay, so my film Diary is so fucked
this week.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Actually it's not.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's actually not too bad. It's only two movies.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
They're both like sort of old. First of all, I
rewatch the two thousand and two film Secretary.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Starring James Spader Maggie Gillenholk's.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Right, I don't think I need to tell you. I
don't need to tell you what it's about. Just google it.
Google Secretary two thousand and two and you will find
out everything you need to know.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's it's kinky.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, so yeah, it's a movie about kink, right, or
about a SNM relationship perhaps, like very interesting stuff. I mean,
I watched it for the podcast, the last podcast I did.
I watched it when it came out, so this is
technically my third time, and uh, I feel pretty much

(08:28):
the same way that I felt when I rewatched it
for I saw what she did.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Uh, I just it was on.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I started watching it, I was like, oh, yeah, this
is this is like a complicated like the story is
a lot deeper. I think that I thought when I
first saw When I first thought, I think I was
just getting off on the titillation factor of you know whatever,
the sexual component, right, But then now I see it
more as like a kind of complicated love story, and

(08:55):
it's it's about like me, you know, mental health and
the ways that people cope with, you know, their lives
and stuff. So I don't know, I mean, it's just
more textured. And I'm glad that I watched it again.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
And then.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I watched for first time. Watch, dude, I watched Blade, Blade.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Starry huge, bladehead SPEs You're a Blade heead? I love Blade.
Blade is so fucking good. Yes, Blade and Blade two
are so good. I think Blade two is directed by
Gilmore del Toro. Uh, Blade rules.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I you know what's so funny about it. It's like
there's so much mythology around Blade and specifically Wesley Snipes
as Blade.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I thought the movie was great. It is funny how
the thing that I had heard, you know, because I
had heard about, you know, sort of the like the
ways in which people talk about the character of Blade
and how Wesley Snipes plays the character right, And I
was like, yeah, I mean he's it's a little goofy,

(10:05):
but it works, does you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Like his Oh yeah, I mean it takes itself very seriously.
I think, and so I don't know, like, yeah, it
is a little I guess you could say it's a
little goofy, but.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I do you know, I think it was a little
groofy that he like talks like his whole like, oh,
it's very good. His banter, his blade banter.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yes, his bands, as they say on Love Island.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
The British version. You mean that could not be the British.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Version, not the I don't I only really acknowledged the
British version.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Oh what are you like into the office, the only
British office.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
No no, no, no, no no no no no, no
no no, I'm not like that. I think I have
a whole theory. I know enough American dumb dumbs. I
don't need to watch them on TV, but like like
UK dumb dumbs, it's kind of charming for some reason,
it's like a distance there.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
So listen, I've watched so many seasons of Naked Attraction
that I'm like, I Americans suck like a British dumb
dumb is a great American person. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes yes yes yes.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Anyway, well, you know I like the blade banter, like
when I first was like, oh, this is this is funny.
He just talks like I thought, you know, I thought
it was gonna be more like a John Wick kind
of guy, where he just like says the bare minimum
in a very menacing voice like this. Yeah, but he
talks you through it Blade, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
He holds your hand. But anyway, it was fun.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Though, it was fun. It was fucking fun.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm excited for you. I'm excited for you to watch
Blade too. Thrilling. This is thrilling. Yes, okay, I watched
one movie this week. It's a long movie and it's
a little movie called The Brutalist. I watched The Brutalist.
I have a lot of thoughts. Have you seen it?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I haven't. Okay, Well, I'm not gonna spoil anything for
you here. The Brutalist is about a brutalist architect who
comes to America after World War Two and kind of
has to He's like honored and celebrated in Europe, but
like he comes to America with nothing. He's played by
Adrian Brody and last night he won an Academy Award
for this movie. And the score one which it should have.

(12:19):
The score is excellent. In this movie, and I think, oh,
the eye roll.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
The thing.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's really well acted, and there are things I really
liked about this movie. I think it has a lot
to say about beauty and elegance and who gets to
control that? Who gets to have access to beauty and elegance?
And why do you always have to collaborate with the
ultra wealthy in order to create great works of beauty?

(12:50):
Why does that always have to happen? And sort of
the painful process of that. I think that's all really interesting.
You know, That's like something I'm very fascinated with.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's a good question.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, now this movie, I feel like everyone's like the
second half sucks and I wouldn't go that far, but
this movie does not know how to land of the plane.
And something's happen in this movie where I'm like, yes,
I understand, this is what you're saying, but you're kind
of hitting the nail on the head a little too hard.

(13:25):
You know, it's a little too on the nose. And
this isn't a spoiler, but I think sometimes movies like
to use drug addiction as sort of a shortcut for
this guy's having a hard time, yes, you know, and
it sort of cheapens it a little bit. Sure, and
so that happens in this movie, and you're kind of like,

(13:47):
I don't know, I feel like the central message of
what or what it was trying to say in the
beginning of the movie, and for most of the movie
is interesting enough that it didn't need to incorporate those elements.
But there are there are some really beautiful scenes and
moments that really moved me. And so I do think
it's worth watching. And I will say I was never

(14:08):
bored watching it. And it's like three and a half
hours long, so it does move along in a good way.
But I just don't think it quite landed the plane.
As I said earlier.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So are you a fan of brutalist architecture?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I guess I am. I like that kind of look.
I think that's cool. I think I wouldn't say I'm
like an architecture head. I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
You lived for nineteen years, you to know shit about architecture?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Come on, well, I guess I do. I know you
know some stuff. I went on an architecture tour downtown
and it was fun, and but yeah, I think brutalist
architecture is kind of awe inspiring in a way and
interesting and thought provoking. And I feel like buildings made

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nowadays look like shit, and really, you know, there's like
a I didn't make this up, but people are like,
in twenty years, there's not gonna be any vintage clothing
because all the clothing we're making now is shitty. You know,
I'm badly made so And I sort of feel that
way about buildings, where it's like, God, fifty years from now,
what are gonna be the great buildings of our time

(15:14):
that were built now?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
None, None of them, because they're all gonna be like
apartment buildings with like chipotles on the bottom of them
and shit exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
So yeah, yeah, no. But The Brutalist is the thing.
I wanted to watch it this week because I felt like,
for some reason, I was like, after the Oscars, I'm
gonna have feel no desire to watch it after that,
so I have to watch it in anticipation of the Oscars.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, good, you did, you did your due diligence. I did,
I had my I did my What did they say?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I ate my broccoli. It was a little bit of
like a broccoli movie where I'm like, I need to
watch this for for my health, I guess, and it
was made for ten million dollars and I feel like
they really squeezed every single penny out of that movie.
And yeah, that's what I gotta say about the Brutalist.

(16:05):
All right, Well, let's move on to our main discussion.
Let's close the film diary. Close it really dated period
at the end of your sentence and look it up.
I exploded it, all right, Moving on to our main discussion.

(16:37):
Aaron Brockovic, Steven Soderberg, Like you said, it's the twenty
fifth anniversary of when this movie came out, which is
sort of astounding to me. I think something that was
kind of crazy watching this movie when it came out.
Maybe this is a stupid thing to say, but when
it came out, Julia Roberts had been around for a while,
and so it kind of felt like, oh, she's hitting
like her late career kind of or it felt like

(16:59):
that at the time. Yeah that's not that's not my opinion,
but it sort of felt like that's how people were
talking about her. Yeah, you know, and then watching this movie,
I was like, this is a baby on screen. She's
thirty three years old. She looks fabulous, she's never looked better.
And uh so that was just sort of a funny,
Like I'd never seen it before, so watching it, I

(17:22):
was kind of like thinking about how it was when
that movie came out twenty five years ago and kind
of reassessing it.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, reminiscing. So give us like a rundown of what
Aaron Brockvich is about for people who haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, so we're gonna get in. Don't worry, We're gonna
get into the Steven Soderberg stuff, but let's just jump
right into the Aaron Brockovich of it all. So Aaron
Brockovich is based on a real person, and her name
is Aaron Brockovich, and she's only seven years older than
Julia Roberts, which is sort of interesting that you'd make
a movie about someone like essentially your same age. But
she was a down on her luck, single mother of three,

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and she takes a job as a pair illegal with
the law firm Masri and the Vetito, and she works
as an assistant to Ed Masri, played by the wonderful
Albert Finney. And while she's going through some records, she
uncovers that the utility company Pacific Gas and Electric They
are responsible for contaminating the drinking water of the small

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town of Hinckley, California, and they contaminated with something called
hexavillent chromium. And basically all these people in this town
get sick, a lot of them get cancer. But because
of her gumption, because of her hard work and no
nonsense attitude, she and ed Masri put together a lawsuit

(18:40):
against PG and E. And you know, a lot of
this movie is putting that lawsuit together, getting the inhabitants
of Hinckley to testify, all while having three fucking kids
with their fathers not involved with their lives at all.
I think different fathers, but I can't remember exactly, but
or like two of them are from the same dad
or anyways, she's she's balancing a lot of stuff all

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at once, and yeah, that is Aaron Brockovich.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, I have to also say ed ed Masury is
played by the great actor Albert Finney, who is one
of my favorite actors because he was you know, I
loved him in his early period when he was doing like, yeah,
like British New Way for the Roads, Yeah, and like
Saturday Night and Sunday Morning. Was one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
You should all see that movie, by the way. But anyway,
he's great in that movie too.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Oh he's amazing. Yeah. Just on that note about Albert Finny,
the uh they're really I mean, the whole the center
of this movie is really the relationship between Julie Roberts
and Albert Finny, their characters Aaron Brockovich and Ed Mazrii,
and the screenwriter Susannah Grant said this about the movie. Structurally,

(19:48):
it's a love story. It's not a romantic love story, obviously,
but it's interpersonal love story. And you really feel that
when you watch this movie that it's like these two
like really they fight a lot, but they like love
each other. Yeah. And the reason and the reason that
because this is one of those things where Ed Masury
could have been. It's like a lot of hard work
to like put this shit together, and it's like optional.

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They could be like, let's just not fucking pursue this.
This might end up getting none of the inhabitants of
Hinckley any money, But because of Aaron Brockovich and Ed
Mazury's relationship, they push forward and get it done. And
the settlement they got for Hinckley was three hundred and
thirty three million dollars, which is the largest settlement ever
paid in a direct action lawsuit in the United States

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to that point. So this was like a very historic
case and it was just because of this woman and
Ed Mazury putting this all together. And yeah, it was
an incredible It's an incredible movie. I loved it so much.
How do you feel about Julia Roberts? What's your relationship
with her?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Okay, first, what you know that Julia Roberts is literally
from my neck.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Of the woods. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, she's from Smyrna. That's like up the road from me.
That's technically Cobb County. That's the county where I'm from.
That's the county where the Brave Atlanta Braves play.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now, So okay, okay, you think sometimes when I ask
Mellly a question and I don't know the answer to it,
she gets pissed off and yells at me.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh that is for dramatic effect, Like do you think
my fucking day.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Lives or dies?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Or whether or not you knew that I lived near
a town that Roberts is from.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, I thought you were gonna pull a knife on
me when I asked you if you knew what salute
your shorts?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well, that is stupid because you sat in front of
like we on a podcast for how many fucking years
and I talked to us your shorts well, and like,
gotta be gotta be real.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You know who.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Also I'm a big fan of. Is her brother Eric
Roberts not coming up?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, Like talented.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Family, talented family, but they're you know, they're George peeps.
So I feel like I got skin in the game,
whether or not I want to or not. Right with
Julia Roberts, I actually love her. I think that as
like a super famous global movie star. She's pretty good,
do you know what I'm saying. Like, she's not irritating,
She's very chill to me. I think she's completely charming

(22:19):
and seems normal. I know that sounds weird to say.
She seems like kind of what you can imagine her
like being in the world, where yeah, I can't imagine
some other others, some very very high profile actress and actresses.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know. I heard an interview with her recently where
she was talking about how she posted a picture of
her and Emma Roberts at like Julia Roberts's house and
they were like having coffee or something. It was like
a very casual photo and she just posted it like
on her Instagram or stuff something, and Julia Roberts was
talking about how as soon as she posted it, everyone
was like, Julia, you look like shit. God, what's wrong?

(22:57):
You need to put on some makeup. You look like shit.
And there's like saying horrible stuff to her, and Julie
Roberts was basically saying, like, now, I'm an older woman
now and I don't really care what people think, but
can you imagine if you were a young person receiving
that kind of evil commentary on your Instagram page. She's like,
it's tough out there for these young actors. And I

(23:19):
don't know, I thought that was like a very sweet sentiment.
And you don't really hear like that high profile of
a celebrity talk about social media or like interacting with
social media. So I found it very refreshing and it
made me like her even more.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, she's totally likable. And maybe I'm saying,
maybe I'm making the equation that because she is from Georgia,
she's likable or something like where I'm like, oh, she's
from the South, Like she just seems kind of like yeah,
you know, like how crazy can you actually be? I mean,
you could be Southern crazy, which we all are, but
it's also like you can't. There's always going to be
some sort of route that's down in the ground. I

(23:53):
feel like if you're from the South. And I think
that about a lot of Southern celebrities, by the way,
not just her. I think most people who are famous
who are from the South have, like I said, a
route or two down in the ground. All of this
is to say, like her, I got to tell you
about Aaron Brockvich. Generally, Aaron Brockovich to me seems like

(24:14):
a movie that is as a Julia Roberts movie is
the one that brings the folks together in my life.
But I think even beyond, like everybody likes Aaron Brockovich,
like people of all different stations in life, right, Like

(24:36):
it doesn't matter who you are, Like most people can
come together on the fact that they think that Aaron
Brockvich is a good movie.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I feel like, I don't know if you think that's well,
I think that is true because you know, like, and
this is not to disparage any of these movies, Like
these are movies I like, like Notting Hill, my best
Friend's Wedding, and Julia Roberts is very funny and charming
in those movies. But I think what happens with those movies,
which happens a lot, is like they're kind of labeled
as women's movies, you know. And so I feel like

(25:06):
Aaron Brockovich though, is like utilizing the charm and sas
that she has in those movies and portrayed in those movies,
but is elevating it slightly to a like Oscar nominated film,
you know. And so I think it it allows there
to be a larger audience of people who would gravitate

(25:30):
towards that movie that maybe they didn't like, wouldn't gravitate
towards like Mystic Pizza or like, yeah, my best Friend's wedding,
you know. Yeah, but this movie is you know, speaking
of the Oscars, you know, it's fun that Anora just
won because not that Aaron Brockovic is similar to Anora
in any way, but they're both human movies with comedy

(25:54):
in them, yes, and that type of movie I just
feel like we aren't getting enough of those now where
they're you know, like mid budget dramas that type, this
type of film, like an Aaron Brockovic is like, I
meant there, we should have like twenty of these a year.

(26:17):
It feels like, you know, and it just met. It
kind of made me like miss a different era of
the film industry a little bit. Yeah, so that was
That was some thoughts I had when I was watching
it this time.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, I totally agree. I also think, if it may
be so bold, they should give an Oscar to the
best facial hair in movies.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, well then I just I don't think this movie
would have won that Oscar, because.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know won.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I when Aaron Eckert and I had not seen this
movie before. When Aaron Eckert appeared on screen, I scream
because he has like it looks like a fake goatee
on he is playing a biker Aaron Brockovic's next Doornator,
neighbor and love eventual love interest. But I was like

(27:16):
Aaron Eckert, he looked so like you have kind of
an idea of what Aaron Eckert looks like. You know,
he's kind of like a I don't know if preppier
or more professional business kind of looking guy.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
He's craggy hot. Do you were you around when we
talked about Aaron exheart I was.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't know, I was there for craggy hot conversations.
I'm not sure if I was there specifically for the
Aaron Eckert conversation, but I was just like so thrown
off by his appearance. And I kept saying to my
wife Trisha while we were watching it. Every time he
was on screen, I was like, I hate the way
he looks, and it made it hard for me to because, like,

(27:59):
to me, Aaron Julia Roberts looks so hot in this movie.
She looks, her outfits are fabulous. I just think she
looks incredible and to have her and I think Aaron
Eckert is like a very attractive man, but the way
they styled him, I was just I was horrified beyond
comprehension and I just was like, that is the one
ding I give to this man.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
There are a couple of times where do you catch
a side profile shot in him and it's like, oh,
he has his chops glued on, like they were glued
on by the makeup department, and you can totally see
the line of separation. It doesn't look natural. The rounded
edges of his fucking chops, his sideburns are insane. Yeah,

(28:47):
let's talk about Yes, let's talk about the man. You
want to talk about, Steven.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Soderbergh direct, Let's talk about Steven Soderberg. When did you
first you know, come to understand know of the name
Steven Soderberg. Well, he directed Aaron Rokovic, obviously, but I.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Can tell you exactly when it was if you just
give me five fucking seconds to look up the actual
year that's happened, hold on, please. So, yeah, no, I
know exactly when I found out who Steven Soderberg was
because I fucking remember the year. My like, my friend
Brett Rachstraw, one of my great friends from my teen

(29:29):
and twenties and thirties, and I'm still friends with him,
even though we were supposed to go out to lunch
the other day and we both canceled and now we
haven't rebooked, which.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Might be the end of the friendship.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't say that, but I was kind of feeling it.
Brett Rechstraw, my buddy, was like, dude, you gotta come
over and watch this crazy movie I saw called Schizopolis.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And it was in like nineteen ninety six when the
he said this to me. Wow, maybe nineteen ninety seven.
It might have been, but you know, but that's when
I first figured out who he was. And I was like,
this movie is so fucking crazy and weird and fun.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I have not seen Schizopolis.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
What but.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I have not seen it. It's I got you. But
his breakout movie was Sex Lies and Videotape, which was
came out in nineteen eighty nine, and he won the
Palma Door at the Canned Film Festival, which is like
the highest honor a film can really get. Anora also

(30:35):
won the Palmador. But you know, he kind of has
to me in my mind, he has sort of two
separate careers. Sure he has like the nineties and early
two thousands when he was like, I wouldn't say like
a Hollywood director, but a lot of his movies were
nominated for Academy Awards, you know, and he did movies

(30:58):
like Oceans of Aaron Brockovich, Out of Sight, Traffic, and
like Traffic and Aaron Brokovic were both nominated. I believe
for Best Picture in the same year, or he was
nominated for Best Director for both of those movies in
the same year, and so he was kind of like

(31:18):
not a Hollywood guy, but maybe a more artsier mainstream
guy working within the Hollywood system. But then I feel
like around two thousand and five ish, he's The thing
about Steven Soderberg is that he is a innovative director
in terms of how a movie gets made and released.

(31:42):
He made a movie in two thousand and five called Bubble,
which I have not seen this movie, but it was
one of the first, if not the first movie that
was released in theaters and on cable on the exact
same day. So it was released for home viewing audiences
and the theater on the exact same day, which is

(32:04):
pretty revolutionary thinking. And then you know the development of
better digital cameras and the camera on the iPhone. He's
shot several films on an iPhone that are like excellent films,
like the movie Unsane or twenty nineteen's High Flying Bird.

(32:25):
All those are excellent movies and he shot them on
an iPhone. But like movies like Magic Mike, he shot himself.
He was the camera operator, cinematographer, and like he just
doesn't feel like he needs those. He just kind of
breaks down film to its barest parts, you know, And yeah,

(32:46):
he's kind of a wild man. Am I missing anything
that describes who he is as a person.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
I think he did a great job. I So my
kind of entry to him was because he was like
an out of Sight came out in nineteen ninety eight.
That was I was in film school, and every everybody
was talking about it. Everybody was talking about as Yeah,
everybody was like, oh my god, it's sexy, it's cool,

(33:12):
it's George Plinny and Jennifer Lopez.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
What year did that come out? Nineteen ninety eight, ninety eight,
eight ninety eight, Okay, And so.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I was so this was like to me, I had
always assumed And because I think with sexist and videotape
and because of Schitzopolis, I kind of saw him as
like an indie director right in a weird way. Sure,
And even though as the as the nineties were on
and obviously in the two thousands, he became more of
you know, he was doing a lot more commercial stuff.
And then by the time like Ocean's Eleven came out,

(33:43):
I was kind of like, whoa like this guy that
I saw as like a film school league kind of
name is now directing this like ensemble cast of extremely
famous people, and what do I think about that? But
here's the thing about the Oceans eleven movies, and I
will I defend the Oceans eleven movies. I think they're
fucking really entertaining.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
You don't have to defend them against me. MILLI I
love Sar.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I figured we were gonna be simpotico about the Oceans
eleven movies.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Especially the first one I adore. But I liked all
I eleven, twelve, and thirteen.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, I thought they were great, and like, you know, theoretically,
I was definitely my shithead phase, as we call we
call our shithead phase, Like what your film school annoying asshole?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Like, yeah, you don't like anything mainstream if it has
anything a whiff of you know, commercialness to it, we
hate it.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
You're like two based for like rom comms, and you're
watching like, yeah, you know, Solo and Cannibal Apocalypse and
you know, just.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Like Cannibal Holocaust. Yeah yeah, difficult. Phil Arthouse films are
the only movies we watch, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, so I but I I was in my shithead state,
my shithead phase, and I still was like, yo, these
Oceans alone movies fucking hit like commercial as they are
as popular as they are, I still love them even
though they are such, oh my god, such time capsules
of a look, right, because they all kind of like

(35:17):
smash Mouth videos and Brad Pitt's outfits, these like shiny
shark skin, silvery, I mean bomb, they're so early early
two thousands.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's like, well, you know, that is just quick tang
in there. That is one of the criticisms of Steven
Soderberg because he is filming his own movies. A lot
of his movies has this gold look in The Ocean's Eleven,
and you see it in like Magic Mike as well.
A lot of his movies kind of have that look,
which some people think is kind of bad and but

(35:52):
I think it looks cool. Ocean's eleven definitely is a
time capsule well, and like yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Then of course he just takes these other like incredible
swings in these like really fun directions like behind the Candelabra,
I mean, what the.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Oh I forgot about behind the candle? I was, He's
incredibly prolific. I was obsessed with that.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
When it came out, I was like, what a cool
thing to do between like Magic Mike and you know,
like this kind of stuff. Like I like Magic Mike
came out in twenty twelve, and Behind the Candlelober came
out at HBO in like twenty thirteen, and I was like,
this guy's my favorite dude.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Like, this guy's just making all the hits that I
like totally. So I think I think he's a really
interesting in the way that he approaches film because he's
not very precious, you know, you comparing him to someone
like David Fincher, who like directed seven in Fight Club
and stuff, who's known for being a meticulous perfectionist. Like

(36:53):
Steven Soderberg is not a perfectionist. He's like, okay, got it,
we're good, moving on. And they've talked about how like
with some of his movies, he'll edit while he's filming,
and the movie will be edited by the time the movie,
like the day of the movie is done filming, Like
he just knows exactly what he wants and doesn't really
worry about all the extra outside noise and just gets

(37:16):
down to brass tacks and he just he makes movies
at an incredible clip. There are probably like ten movies
I've never heard of that he's made, you know, So
I find him incredibly inspiring, and I think it just
goes to show that like you can make a really
great movie with just an iPhone. Yeah, really you can.
Steven Soderberg did it several times over.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, hey talk him out of Nora. Shaan Baker did
that too, So he did. But I want to I
want to say two things about Steven Soderberg before we
wrap this up. Number one, my favorite thing that he
does is actually when he lists out all of the movies,
TV shows and books that he consumes.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
This made me like him a hundred times more. Me too,
Me too, writes down everything he has watched, include, yeah,
television shows and like consumed, like you said, books, everything.
And we aligned on several TV shows, Yeah, one of
which was Below Deck. Wed that show, I'm.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Going to be like, what are you a dumb ass?
Of course is seeing Below Deck. I'm a Bravo.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I like a Vanner Pump.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
How could you not see Blow to Hell if you're
in a vander Pump? He was in the Vanner Pump too, though,
right didn't.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, he was, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he watches it all. Yeah,
I know. I love that He's incredible.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I feel like more directors and and general famous people
should do that. Like I want to see a rolling
list of the ship that you watch and you read.
I want to know that you read.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
You gotta total.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You got to tell me if you read. And not
just that, but tell me the books that you read.
I don't care what they are, just list everything, make
a document and then publish it so we know. That's
what I want.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I think. I think that just shows how like Intelli
he is because he and confident he is, because it's like,
oh yeah, this is everything I watch and it's like
multiple seasons of Below Deck this year, and it's like
someone who is maybe self conscious about their intelligence or
how that came across as an artist, you know, wouldn't
put that out for everybody to see. But that's what
makes him so great. He's just like this is it's

(39:19):
you know, he's not a pretentious guy, but he's still
making incredible art every day. So there's that.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
And then the second thing I will say about Steven
Soderberg is that I'm I've been friends with his brother
for like over a whoa or more what? Yeah, And
I don't know. I don't think Charlie's listening. I don't.
I don't know, probably not.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
But we have never talked about that. You've never talked
about that his brother is Stephen.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Because I just.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Don't feel like I I mean, okay, let's get serious.
He probably knows that I know who he is because uh,
I fucking worked at TCM for twenty years. I worked
in the film I do a film podcast. Yeah, there's
there's an awareness. I wrote a paper about magic Mike
like he like for grad school.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
He knows that I know.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yes, he knows that I know his brother, but it's
just doesn't I don't know. I think it's me. I
think I'm the I don't want to be that fucker
that's like, oh, really, brothers this famous person because.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I like my friend.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I like my friend.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Well, that's the thing. You don't want your friend under
any I want them to think, under any circumstances, are
you just friends with them because of their relation to
a movie director? Well, you know, so I can understand
why you wouldn't have brought it up before.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Well, and that's the thing is that, like I was,
I would be friends with him obviously if this wasn't
the case, like I met him because he was like
dating a friend of mine, like a long long time ago,
so I met him organically here in Atlanta. So it's
that thing where I'm like, well, then you know, of course,
then there's this other thing that you got going, like

(41:13):
what you know, Like, sure, I know about that, but
I don't want that to be Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
That's not a basis for a friendship either. Oh, your
brother's cool.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
But it's kind of like the opposite is like normally
when I mean, maybe I shouldn't generalize, but do you
find that like if you have a friend who is
in the orbit of a famous person in some way,
uh huh, usually that famous person is not becomes like

(41:44):
not cool in some way. Like I'm like, oh, like
my friend dated whomever. I'm gonna say, like Albert Finney.
And then it's like you all the stories you would
hear is like, oh, Albert Finny like farts in the
grocery store and then walks away out of the aisle.
Like it's always like a story where somebody you know
is in a vicinity of a famous person, and then

(42:05):
the story is like makes them look like a dumb ass,
or that makes them little hoty assle. This is the
first time, one of the only times where I'm like, oh, no,
the famous person is actually so awesome and cool and interesting.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Like yeah, you know, it's hard, you know to know.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I not want to talk about him.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I suppose, but I don't so interesting interesting. Well, so anyway,
I put it all out there. Now it's I'm glad.
I'm glad you did. That's fascinating. I'm like mulling that over. Well,
it says here that Steven Soderberg was born in Atlanta,
So another route down. Yeah, famous person, wonderful. Well I've

(42:45):
said all I need to say about Steven Soderberg.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, I've said too much.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So we said too much. You've revealed once again, we
both revealed probably too much about ourselves. But that's okay, okay,
but that's it. That's our That was a little combo
about Aaron Brockovic and Steven Soderberg. Oh, Millie, we're back

(43:14):
again with another installment of my area of expertise. And
like we queued up at the top of the show,
we've got huge guests, huge, the best, the softiest, the best. Uh, sincerely.
I don't want to. I don't want to geek I've
talked to them several times during this process of them
doing our theme song, and I don't want to geek
out too much. But they are sincerely one of my
favorite bands, and I don't think they quite get that.

(43:37):
And uh, they don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
How many times that I've personally cried to the It's
Love album.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, they don't know that, and they don't get it,
and I don't want them to get it because I
would frighten them, frankly. Uh, But we have the amazing
and you know, outside they these two have like amazing
music careers outside of the Softies as well. That's like
what makes them so incredible. Yeah, but we have the

(44:06):
amazing Rose Melberg and Jen Spradia the Softies on to
talk about their area of expertise, and here's our little
chat with them right now.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
So it is a very very very special day here
on Deer Movies. I Love You. We have been waiting
for this moment for five episodes six. We're very new
by the way, the.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Six episodes, but it feels like we've been waiting years
for this.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well, I've been waiting actual years more on that later. Yes,
but we our guests today are just This is just
such an unreal moment for me because I've been a
fan of these gals for so so, so fucking long,
and we asked them many many moons ago to record

(45:01):
the theme for our podcast and they so graciously said yes,
and it came out twenty thousand times better than I
could have ever expected it. And they're not only so
sweet for doing that, but they're just like great people,
like kindred spirits. I feel like I've been friends with
them forever and ever and ever. But our guests today

(45:22):
are here to talk about a very important area of
their expertise, which I am so excited to talk about
with them. But please welcome our guests. It's the softies,
Rose Melberg and Jens Braja.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Hi, y'all, Hello, yay, Oh my gosh, this is so thrilling.
I think you know we I've told you guys this before,
but when we were coming up with just sort of
like how we wanted this show to be, we were
talking about inspiration for kind of the vibe of how
we wanted this whole podcast to feel, and I brought

(45:59):
up independently, I was like, you know, I want this
to feel like the Softies, And I was like, do
you know that band? Millie? And she was looking at
you like I'm gonna kill you. You're a fucking idiot.
But this podcast is nearly over because you said that
to me and so but then it was like, but
it was exciting because Milly was like, yes, I absolutely

(46:23):
like that's exactly how I want this podcast to feel.
And I was like, well, and you were like they've
listened to I saw what you did, and I was like,
you think they'd do the theme song? And it was like,
oh my god, wouldn't that be amazing? And then it
actually happened, and now you guys are on the show.
I mean, it's just all incredible. It just feels so kissy.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
It was such a thrill. All of it is such
a thrill.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
We're such fans of We were such fans that I
saw what you did and really just the most awesome
gal and I can't even believe we're doing this. This
is a dream for us too, Like you know, we
we we're gen X solid gen X. So all there
was to do was watch movies when we were young.

(47:04):
So our relationship to movies is so kind of sacred
and cool and specific. So Millie and Danielle always spoke
to that, and here we are on this beautiful, brand
new podcast.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So honored, thank you so much, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Of course, Like, so do you do y'all do a
lot of podcasts as a band? Like do you go
on other people's podcast a lot? Or no?

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Not?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Just no, very expensive.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
We did a few interviews when the new album came out,
but you know, nothing that's like special interest to like
things that we care about, which is so cool because
I was talking to Jen about doing this and I
was like, we got to remember, this podcast is about movies,
not about us, so like let's talk about the movies
and trying to talk about ourselves too much.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
But yeah, yeah, movies are about us, right, so it's true.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, so you guys kind of brought us two movies,
two different movies for your areas of expertise. Can you
tell us what those are? I mean, we've alluded to
them already. What are those movies?

Speaker 6 (48:11):
So it was kind of cool when we were thinking about,
you know, what is our area of expertise? Obviously it's
it's these movies for us. We each have one, but
it's very similar in when and how we came across
them and the effect that they had on us. And
these are really like the movies that made us punks. Yes,
this is the movies that caused like a really fundamental

(48:33):
shift in who we were when we saw these movies.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
So for me, Rose.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Radio etiquette, thank you, Thank you for.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
The eyelists world of the internet listening. So the movie
is rock and roll high School, yes, sub plus a plus,
and the lead up.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
To it is that.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
Okay, So my relationship to punk at that time, I
was twelve thirteen years old around then, and my mom
and her friends kind of dabbled in punk, and so
they were also really into new waves.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
So I was super into new wave. I thought like,
this is my thing.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
But the thing that gave me a really fucked up
perspective on punk was that my mom made us watch
the movie Suburbia.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Right, original Suburbia right, yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah, So this would have been like eighty four, and
we went to her friend's house and her friend had
rented it because back then, you'd rent a movie and
you'd get all your friends to come over, because you know,
it was complicated and expensive to rent movies and not
everybody had a VCR. Anyway, a bunch of us kids
and the adults watched this movie and I was kind

(49:49):
of scarred.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I was like, yeah, this is what punk is. So
I thought that's what all punks were like.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
I thought they lived in squats, little kids were getting killed,
were getting shot.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Like.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I was like, this is what punk music is about.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
No fix.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I'm a new waiver, so I kind of it also.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Feels very dirty. I feel like that movie feels like
it's like being a punk. You have to be disgusted
and you have to be okay with that cohabitating with
rat exactly.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
I've never rat on my shoulder. I was like, I
don't want any part of that. But like my mom
and my sister had gone to see The Ramones, like
they were really into it already, but I didn't get
it yet.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I was very young.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
And then we were at a babysitter's house in Nevada
City and she rented a VCR as one does in
nineteen eighty four and rented a couple of movies, and
Rock and Roll High School was one of them.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And I.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
It's hard to even find the words to describe what
happened to me. That first time that I watched it.
It's the first time I felt so into a band.
I thought my mind and body were going to explode, Like, sorry,
Rick Springfield's not anymore, dude.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I think it was like, this is what punk is
to me.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
It's stupid, it's funny, it's irreverent, it's cool, it's tough,
and I got it.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I just it was like something clicked in me, and
I was like, this is what I want my life
to be.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
I had a very healthy disdain for authority by this
point already, and I was like, yes, I also want
to blow up my school. Yes, I also want to
set you know, things on fire. And also I want
music to be my whole life and I don't care
about anything else, and so it spoke to that. But

(51:49):
I was so young, you know, I was just freshly thirteen.
So I was like, I don't even know how to
make sense of this. And then there was also that
what are these crazy feelings I'm feeling about this singer?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Like what's going on?

Speaker 6 (52:03):
It's like Bisexual Awakening was like this, you know, seven
foot tall gentle giants, gentle freaky punk giant, kind of
ugly in the most beautiful way and like I had
never loved like a rock.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Star more than how I fell for Joey Ramone just.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
The cool he looks like a poem.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, as Rial Randall says, he looks like a poem.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
I loved it like there were moones, like they were
presented as like a band to have a crush on,
like a boy band in this chool.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
Yeah, because when she asks when she's standing in line
and she's competing with Angel Dust, they're number one groupie
for first in line that she's even though they're fighting,
Angel says, so, which one do you like? Which is
such a boy band thing? You know, everybody has to
pick their favorite, and then he's.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Going through that right now, I know, Oh my gosh,
don't even stars, don't even stretch K pop band? The
only one I know BTS Okay, you know, I was
trying to think of who my Joey Ramon is. I
suppose it's Sugar, right. He seems like the most punk
out of all of them.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Really, Well, the coolest thing is one of the coolest
things about the movie was well I related to Riff,
the main character, Riff Randall, who's their number one fan,
and she's written a song for them.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
She's a songwriter. She's like, I'm not a groupie. I'm
a songwriter.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
And that's what really resonated with me, is like, I
don't want to be a groupie. I don't want to
just be a fan. I want to be a part
of it.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
You know, at that point, it was just starting to
really set in how much I really wanted to be
in a band and learn to play something, and and
and her taking it kind of seriously like I'm not
a groupie. And you know, I had just recently read
I'm with the Band, and as a woman who loved music,

(54:06):
I was like, ew, is this what I have to
do to be a part of it? But that movie
just showed me, first of all, anyone can play three chords.
And it's just more about the attitude obviously, like and
because what they had was just their coolness just oozed
out of their tiny tight jeans, like all of it.

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And and that Riff wanted to be so much more,
And I was like I relate to that. I want
to be Riff Randall. I want to blow up my school.
I want to write songs for the Ramones, I want
to you know, go backstage at the show and talk
to them as equals.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, eat pizza with them.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Oh my god, got riff ramble roller, Oh my god.
And I constant I quote this movie probably daily, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
You showed up us a VHS copy prior to recording.
Should be in a museum.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Oh my god, Because Casey, what I didn't tell you
is not only is this the copy that my mom
bought me in nineteen eighty five that's probably been played
a thousand times. In nineteen ninety five, when I was
living in Portland, Mary Warnoff, who plays Miss Togar obviously
famous Mary Warnoff, and she had just put out her

(55:28):
memoir called Swimming Underground. And so I went to her
book signing in Portland in ninety five and I brought
this VHS copy for her to sign, and its signed
if you look.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
And when I came to it to her and I
was like, hi, I was on a few times, and
she said, oh, my favorite movie.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah. I feel like rock and Roll high School, and
like Mary warren Off, I feel like they do show
a different type of punk than like you would see
in like Suburbia. You know, it's like you don't have
to be like Nazi skinhead adjacent to be punk. Yeah know,
it's like and it doesn't have to be this like violent,
horrifying thing. You can still be punk without all of that.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
You know.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
There's also the funny thing because like Rock and Roll
High School was filmed in like nineteen seventy nine, so
not all the punks looked like punks. You know, a
lot of people just kind of look like jocks or
weird prepees or whatever because the look hadn't quite fully formed.
And and there's that scene or multiple scenes when people

(56:43):
are arriving at the big concert, and which is actually
cool because director Alan Arkish is the door guy.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
In the movie.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I don't know if you know that. Yeah, yeah, so
he's the one. He's you know, checking everyone's IDs and
stuff like that. But there's this beautiful feeling of.

Speaker 6 (56:58):
Inclusivity because you know, like when the mouse wants to
come in, because there's a scene where miss Togar is
showing the effects of rock and roll music on mice
and they explode when she turns it up loud.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Gross.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
But then a giant mouse comes to the concert and
Alan Arkish says, sorry, man, we can't let any mice
in they've been exploding, you know, and that the mouse
takes out a pair of over the ear headbook like
you know, ear protectors, and he's like, oh, okay, cool, you.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Can come on in.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
And so I'm like, it's so inclusive, like they're letting
in the mice, they're letting in the nerves, you know,
Griff's best friend Kate Rambau total nerd. It felt like
anyone could come to a Ramones concert. You didn't have
to be flee with a rap on your shoulder.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
You did it.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
You didn't have to have a mohawk. You could be
a dork if you look at that crowd so dorky.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Well that's the thing about the Ramotes that that's why
they were my favorite punk band because they weren't. They
were just sort of like they loved like, I don't know,
pop music, and they were like they all just had
a very simple kind of look and it wasn't they
wouldn't project tough to me. They projected like the quint
essential like music nerd, kind of like goofball, Like it

(58:17):
wasn't threatening at all, And I just loved that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well, I also want to get into Jen's movie Ladies
and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Staines. Jen, what's kind of your
history with this movie and did it have sort of
a similar influence on you in the way that Rock
and Roll High School did for Rose?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
It really did.

Speaker 7 (58:39):
I saw it the first time on Night Flight when
I was fourteen.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Oh yeah, and Nightflight amazing.

Speaker 7 (58:45):
Night night Flight would play their show and it was
like three or four hours long. It would start at
eight pm and then they'd play the entire thing all
over again at midnight, so if you saw something cool,
you could see it again later if you stayed up
late enough.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I want to explain night Flight. It was kind of
like the coolest little showcase for like cool, awesome people
who loved art and punk and you know, weird movies
and stuff. And it used to just come on TV
like h late at night, and it was like and now,
I mean they're still around. I think the people that

(59:21):
created it have revamped it and they have like a
streaming service and everything. But like when you were like
in the eighties, I was really young, so I you know,
I wasn't like obviously a teenager in that like I'm
a punk teenager kind of way. But it really like
shaped me like early on in terms of like stuff
that you I would like today, right.

Speaker 7 (59:40):
Yeah, so yeah, you could see like the Bank Floyd
movie and then there'd be like interviews with other people
are like weird, like cartoons thrown in and stuff. Yeah,
it was kind of like a zene, like a weird
it was exactly. It was like a zine that's like
the visual zine whatever video zine. So but I I
saw it and I just I can't even describe how

(01:00:04):
it just hit me, you know, across the face, like
over the head.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
When it ended and they played that like video weird
fake video part at the end, I ran into my
bedroom and I grabbed my guitar that I had just
gotten that I hadn't really learned how to play yet,
and I just jumped up and down on my bed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
With my guitar. I just wanted to do that so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I was just so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah, that was like that movie. I wrote about this
movie when we did the tc munder round book, and
it was crazy because I was just doing so much
research about it and sort of how I was made,
and like the actresses being like actually teenagers, like they
were not like thirty year olds being fifteen or sixteen.

(01:00:50):
They were actually fifteen and sixteen. We're younger, which I
think is so fascinating. And it was like, you know
actresses that are like famous like Laura Dern and you
know Diane Lane who are and they were actually hanging
out with like members of the Clash and Sex Whistles.
So that was just like this feeling of oh, here

(01:01:10):
are these like young like kind of my dream at
their age was to hang out with people in punk bands, right,
you just talked about that Rose hanging out with the Ramones,
And here was this movie that was basically that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
Yeah, yeah, they're just trying to get out of their
town and you know, hit your ride and get out
of there and be a band. And it's just insane.
It's just my favorite movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
How and like, what way do you think, like, because
you know, in the movie, basically this the Fabulous Stains
are you know, a group of girls that are from this,
like you know, I don't know, shitty little industrial town
in the Northeast, and they they hate where they live
and it's economically fucked there, and so they just kind
of start a punk band and you know, they're not

(01:01:58):
like perfect, but that's kind of like not the point,
you know what I mean. And they're just kind of
like playing music and just like and you know, it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Ends up being sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I know, I know, but it's like, so, was it
like when you were when you saw this movie at
night Light when you were younger, were you like, oh,
they could like they could just start a band without
even being like technically good, you know what I mean,
Like was that something that inspired you as a young
person who was like getting into music or.

Speaker 7 (01:02:29):
Yeah, it was cool that they they didn't even have
that many rehearsals down. They just like she just saw
a way to get out and they just packed up
a huge like trunk with old clothes that was their
equipment that brought their one bass, their one guitar and
a huge old steamer trunk of vintage sweaters and like

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got on a bus and left town and then figured
it out and then they I loved it. Through the movie,
they get tighter, like they're they're scary shows where they
don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
That is their practice, and it's just like that feels
like real life to me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
That's the story of the Softies right there, because we
know we can never rehearse together, so we just have
to sort of rehearse on our own and hope that
when we get together it sounds okay on stage. So
it's so punk because we just don't, like we've never
had the resources to like dial it in like like
a band that has like, you know, money behind them

(01:03:26):
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
It's like, I was gonna say, Jen quotes this movie constantly.
I can't help it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
She knows the whole movie by heart. It's so funny
how often we can find an appropriate quote from that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, I had what a my ear? This is so embarrassing.
I can't even believe about to say this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
But early like blogs, early blog so they I was
the you know, early blogger on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
That is so awful, but it was. It's actually kind
of true. The name of my blog was called Nobody
in the Shithole Gets Me. Oh my god, it's perfect,
like nobody in this ship because that's like that line.
Still to this day, I use it for things like
if I have to like fill out a profile for something,

(01:04:20):
I'm like, what's the bio? Nobody in this Shithole gets me?

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Because that's so true, that's right, did you did you
follow it with because we don't put out, we.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Don't put out. I mean, well that is obviously the
last part of it. So I yeah, I'm sort of
glad that you guys like brought this area of y'all's
expertise to this because it is like this very I
feel like it's like, again, I don't really know if

(01:04:52):
there's a comp to this right now, but these types
of movies were literally like everything for gen X, right,
Like we kind of internalized all these like weird music movies.
A lot of times they were like being made by
like record company kind of people, Like I know that's
the case with the Fabulous stains is like a lou

(01:05:14):
Adler thing, and like I don't know the fact that
they got like cool people to work on them, and
so you know, there's like cool directors, cool bands, cool
actors and actresses, and it's just that's this like thing
where you're like, oh, it's just like a music movie
from the late seventies early eighties, and then it just
became this flashpoint cultural moment for like this entire generation people.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
And obviously the Staines movie was so proto Riot Girl,
like so much of that went on to really carry on. Yeah,
I want to do a five second dramatic reading from
fabulous dams.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
This in the show more often really dramatic readings. I
love this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, come on, you'll know where I'm going. Jen, Okay,
here I go. I like your hair?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Oh yeah, what else do you like? That's it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
And scene? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Oh man, that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Ray Winstone is like and what an accent on points?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Oh my god, I know ray Winstone. Oh my god?

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
From you know, well, my first husband had a real
young ray Winstone vibe. I understand that character.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, did you either of you ever want to do
some sort of look like Diane Lane in this movie?
Was that ever? Yeah? What do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
Well, I've been wanting to have a Halloween costume of
that for years, and so I'll do it one of
these days.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
I played it for a screening once.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Oh really, send you the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
It wasn't very good, but I tried.

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
I do have I do have a tattoo of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Tattoo, I have another door.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Let me see you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
She does is Karen Burns. I can put it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I'll put a picture in the chat. Yes, take a
picture of third degree put him put them in a chat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
It's so good, so big.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Oh my god, that is amazing. Well that is definitely
your error of expertise. Yeah, got tious, that is you
are an expert loah.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
Well, the funny thing was is like, sure, it's a
tattoo of Karen Burns. But then a few years after
I got it, I was like, wait, oh my god,
I have a tattoo of Diane leaning on my body.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
It was just like, what did I do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
That's so weird, unfaithful.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yes, well, thank you both so much for coming on
this show to talk about this. This was wonderful and thrilling,
and I we should have you guys on again. We'd
love to have you on again. Sometimes. This is so great.
Please is there anything you'd like to plug?

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Jen? We're in the news a lot, by the way,
not to cut you off, but like I swear, it's
like y'all when you cause you just released like an
album pretty recently, and I just kept seeing all of
these articles about it, and I was like, y we
got we.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Got some flowers. It's felt very good. Love it, but no,
now I want to write a screenplay for the Softies,
you know movie ooh I'm inspired to do a music
movie about what it's like to be a middle aged woman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I love it pop band.

Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
What about our podcast that we were always talking about doing.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
We want to do our own podcast called Softiest State
of Mind, and we just want people to write in
and ask about songs because we have so many songs
between like five records, So we want people to ask
about songs, and then we just talk about the stories
behind the songs. So somebody fund up past.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I got a four to one k. I could just
cash it down area. Yeah, very very punk, very punk sentiment.
But there is no future, So why have a four
to one k? Just spend it, spend your movie and
your podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
I feel like I can promised that for one K
to invest in multiple projects. So we might want to
do some accounting on the numbers on that Millie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Oh boy, oh boy. But yeah, I was sol plug away.
What's going on? What are you guys working on? What's
coming up?

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
We're going to play some more shows this year. We've
started talking about writing songs again for another record. I
personally am the touring guitar player in Bratmobile, so I'll
be playing shows with them this summer, which Millie, I
think you need to come out for those shows.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Please, And yeah, oh my gosh, well if everyone should
listen to the bet I made the Softie's latest album,
and uh, listen to every album by the Softies actually,
And yeah, thank you guys so much for being on
the show.

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
Just we love you both, Thank you love much, and
congratulations on the new podcast we are having. It's just
been such a thrill to listen and to hear it
takes shape and get to hear you every week again,
and it's just we're so honored to be a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Part of it. So honored.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Oh those wonderful Softies, God, they're great. I just it
was so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
One of the things when we had them, when they
agreed to do the theme song to the show, they
were like, well, you have to have us as guests.
And that was really exciting for them to say that
to us. And now they were guests on the show,
and it was really fun to talk about two movies.
I think you you and I both really love too,
So that was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, I think we're totally fine with that clause in
the contract that said they had to be a guest.
I was like, our lawyer is not going to take
that out at all. Yeah. Yeah, they're the best and
I'm so glad and their family. That's like I said,
they're family family.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
It's like we're like the Torretto's in The Fast and Furious.
We're all about family and they're part of the family.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Don't you dare invoke my fucking favorite film franchise and
make me feel like I'm part of it in some way.
My heart just skipped a beat, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Well, we're moving on here to our film advice section,
where people you know, right in with if they've got
a film greight that needs to be resolved, if they
need recommendations, if they need if they're having a movie
problem in their life, We're here to solve it for you.
And we've got a great one here. I think this
is an interesting question that's being posed here, So Millie

(01:11:55):
please take it away.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Okay, this is from Jackie and the title of it
is called film Gripe. Hello, Millian Casey. I would consider
myself to be a Wes Anderson megafan. I have the
Criterion Collection cartoon of Max Fisher smoking a cigarette on
a go cart tattooed on my body. That's how serious
my love is. The Fantastic Mister Fox was my go

(01:12:19):
to movie when I was twenty three and stoned. I
got into his movies in my early twenties, and they deeply,
deeply affected me. In hindsight, I think was probably the
very sincere combination of intellectualism on we family dysfunction, and
symmetry that just hit me, a high school English teacher,
in such a way that I felt like his movies

(01:12:41):
helped me to unlock some understanding of the world I've
held onto ever since. So here's my gripe. Is it
just me or do his recent movie suck? I was
so excited to see The French Dispatch, and then I
watched it and felt bored, condescended to I was incredibly

(01:13:01):
excited when Asteroid City came out same reaction. Does Wes
Anderson need to be stopped? His most recent long form
theatrical releases are so completely without heart and soul, so
focused on the form of filmmaking, so obsessed with Andersonian
details and set design, and so concerned with meta narrative
and philosophical deconstruction, that he has totally lost sight of

(01:13:22):
what actually makes his movies great lonely people finding their
imperfect counterparts in the world. Am I alone in this?
I'd love to know your thoughts. Should I give his
more recent movies another try? Or does this fall in
line with the Terminator slash terminator too equation and there
just isn't a way to go back or forward. I

(01:13:43):
know this is overly worthy, but again, English teacher here,
thanks for reading, Jackie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Wow, thank you Jackie for writing in well a very
well written email. Yeah, I felt I've definitely nay counciation
wrote that. Yeah, incredible. This is so interesting because I
think I had a similar relationship with Wes Anderson that
you have, Jackie. I, but I'm a little bit older
and therefore wiser and I so I was obsessed with

(01:14:12):
Rushmore when it came out, Royal Ten of Bombs, The
Life Aquatic, Oh my god, I was obsessed with all
those movies. They hit me emotionally so hard. And then
his next couple of movies started coming out, and even
the Fantastic Mister Fox. I was kind of like, I
feel nothing for these movies. The Dart Deealing Limited, I
was like, oh this, I don't feel the same way
I did anymore. Why aren't these drumming up the same

(01:14:35):
emotions I had when I first fell in love with
Wes Anderson. People still like those movies and think they're good, obviously,
and like the Grand Buddha Beest Hotel. When I first
saw that, I was kind of like, I'm still not.
I don't feel the way I did when Moon Rise Kingdom.
Same thing, like I don't feel the same way I
did with Rushmore and The Royal Tenant Bombs. But I

(01:14:58):
think what happens is you, you like, really fell in
love with Wes Anderson's movies, and you gave a lot
of love to these movies, and I just think after
a while, I think you probably would have felt differently
if you had seen some of these, Like if you
had seen Asteroid City before any of these other movies,
I think you might have had an emotional reaction to

(01:15:21):
them in the same way that you did with you know,
the Fantastic Mister Fox. But I just think sometimes that
happens when you like fall in love with a director
and then they don't quite deliver, or it feels a
little different. I had a similar thing happened to me
with Paul Thomas Anderson. When there will be Blood came out.
I was like, this isn't the same vibe as punch
drunk love. I don't like this, you know. So I

(01:15:44):
do think it's a very normal part of your relationship
with a director, and I think over time you will
start to love those later works. You just might not
have the capacity to love that many movies all at once.
Is that way, don't I just said it makes sense,
Milling it does.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
It does make sense. I think it's a good way
to counsel Jackie on this very topic. I feel like
I have a bitchy I have a bitchy reason.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Okay, go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
I think it's that he becomes less Texas boy over
time and becomes more like European artsy fartsy guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
He lost the roots, Yeah, the root. He doesn't have
his roots down like Julia Roberts does.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
When he used to wear the clear glasses and he
had the like spiky hair, and then he grew his
hair along and started wearing like velveteen suits and shit,
I feel like that's the That's what I'm talking about.
Like there's a difference between him making like Texas movies
with like the damn Wilson Brothers and then to what
he does now, which is like more I don't know,

(01:16:55):
just like they're kind of like pieces of art, like
they're not like funny, homedy warm, like I don't know,
And that's whatever. You can move to Paris, I guess
like you can. That's fine, you leave your hometown and
move to Paris. I'm not begrudging anybody for doing that. Yeah,
I don't know why I'm seeing it as maybe an

(01:17:18):
explanation for this Jackie, but I feel like, I mean,
when I was in college, like I remember when Rushmore
came out and the Rushmore bus came to my school
and I actually got on the bus with my stupid
radio station college media folks and got to like hang
out with with Wes Anderson. I actually have there's like

(01:17:40):
a v like what do you call those like formats
where it was like a camquorder tape. It was tiny,
and then he fitted into like an adapter which was
a vcv VHS side might yeah it might have been
many maybe like very early like late nineties digital video,
but it was like I have like like an hour

(01:18:01):
and a half worth of footage of Wes Anderson basically
being old Wes Anderson. He had the spikey little hair,
he had the nerdy glad he was he looked like
a nerd. He was wearing the like high water pants
with the socks and the you know, creaky new balances
his old style, right, and I just remember thinking, like,
what a cool, fun guy. He kind of like he like,

(01:18:24):
for some reason, I think like him and Todd's Solons,
you know, the director Todd Salons. They kind of had
like the nerdy film guy thing on lock back then
they did. But then again, yeah, I think there was
like a moment where I felt like his style, his
own personal style, moved away from that and was becoming
more of like he started looking like like like I

(01:18:48):
don't know, like a caricature of a European art house
director or something totally you know, and I was like, oh, okay.
And then that's what I kind of noticed. That the
films came more stylized, more precious, more world building kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Angular Yeah, so yeah, I think, but I think this
happens sometimes, like this kind of happened with me and
the Cohen Brothers too, where I was like, oh my god,
I love Raising Arizona, I love Fargo, and then like
they keep coming out with movies and you're like, I
don't love these as much. I don't have any because

(01:19:27):
you had such a high high with those earlier movies.
It's like it's never quite the same. And even a
movie that I think is like a masterpiece now, But
when like No Country for Old Men came out, I
was like, this ain't no Fargo, this ain't no Miller's Crossing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It's just that's just like it's sometimes you want that
same high. Yeah, you know, but I don't know that
that's I'm I'm projecting a lot onto you, Jackie. But
that's that was sort of my similar journey I had
with Wes Anderson. And then I let it go. I
was like, I can't I'm gonna hate his movies now.

(01:20:06):
And then once I was let that go, I was
able to go back and appreciate them more. I feel like, yeah,
after I'd broken up with him emotionally, I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Say that your observation that his movies are about lonely
people finding their imperfect counterparts in the world like made
my heart flutter. It was so that's like such a
great way to describe it, and it may it just
instantly made me nostalgic for his his older things like

(01:20:38):
like you just encapsulated what is missing in your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And I just am like, yeah, I missed that too,
And I don't know, but you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Know this is this is art.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
An artist in a nutshell is that it's just if
they do work long enough, they evolve. And maybe it's
not a direction that you're comfortable with, but it's it's
necessary for them in a certain way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
I mean yeah, And it might take longer for you
to appreciate their new stuff just because you were so
invested in the old stuff. I've been there. I've been there. Yeah.
To quote Ben Stiller in Heavyweights, I know each and
every one of you because I was you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
True words have never been spoken. Jackie, what an incredible
are question?

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
I love great question, great email. Loved it. And if
anybody else wants to write in asking you know, for
help film advice, dear movies at exactly right Media, you
can send us an email or a voicemail just recorded
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(01:21:46):
right media dot com. All right, Moving on to employees picks,
this is our film recommendation section.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Yeah, what do you got? So my employee pick for
this episode. Because we've just talked about Steven Sottermarke director,
I'm actually.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Gonna pick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Chay his movie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Oh, I actually haven't seen these Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
His uh it's like a double It's like a part
one and a part two.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
What do you call those?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
What do you call those types of movies?

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Part one and a part two? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah, a two part two part So yeah, I mean
basically it's his uh movie that he made about Shay Gavara.
There's a part one and part two. I think each
part is like over two hours long.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I haven't seen it a while, but I when it
came out, I really loved it. And I gotta admit
a lot of it it's because I think that Benicio
del Toro is one of the hottest men to ever
walk the earth. So there was would you call him
a craggy craggy hot. He's a big, craggy hot, but

(01:22:55):
he's like in his own stratosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Like I I I he's a planet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
I think he's so goddamn hot, Like and have for years.
Chase a great film two parts, Like I said, so
you have to track him down or they're not going
to know the story if you don't watch the second part.
So it's about like four and a half hours worth
of viewing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
But okay, it's historical, you'll enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
And yeah, Steven Soderberg is a great filmaker, as we said,
So there you go, my pig.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
I'm interested a movie that is kind of not not
similar to Aaron Brockovich, but feels sort of related. It's
kind of about a whistleblower and a company is two
thousand and Nine's The Informant. Have you seen this movie? No,
it's been on my list for incredible. Yeah, it's incredible.

(01:23:47):
I think it might be Matt Damon's best role. Yeah,
came on in two thousand and nine. It's very funny.
It's about the US government decides to go after an
agro business giant in i because they've been doing price
fixing and they get evidence submitted by Vice President turned

(01:24:08):
informant Mike Mark Whittaker played by Matt Damon, and he
is a delulu bizarre man and he sort of starts
to think of himself as like a James Bond type character,
but he's like such a nimrod. But he's also incredibly

(01:24:31):
intelligent because he's like I think he has his doctorate
in like agricultural sciences or something like that. So like,
and it's just such a fascinating character. And it's based
on a real story, and he does things to like
get information that are so silly, and he makes decisions
that are so crazy, and it's really it's so funny

(01:24:57):
and delightful. I think I've seen it like three or
four times. It's just so much fun. And uh yeah,
I highly I's got a lot of like comedians in
it too, like Patton Oswald and Tom Poppa and Melanie
Lynsky plays his wife, and I don't know. It's just

(01:25:17):
it's a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
I'm gonna watch it, of course you should. It's really
really fun. It's a good like midwestern Iowa movie too.
But yeah, that is my very good Okay, really we're
at the end of the episode. Can you believe it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
I can't believe it. Actually, I feel like I could
do this for another seventy three days.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Well, I've given all. I can't. I'm completely out of
energy and I can't. I don't want to record anymore today.
So well, like I already said about sending in film advice,
do so at Deer Movies at exactly rightmedia, dot com,
email or voicemail.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Also follow us on our social media accounts. We are
at Deer Movies. I love you on Instagram. By the way,
we've been doing Instagram lives lately. Yes, we want to
do more. I think the public has spoken they want
us to appear more, to make fun of us on
Instagram Live and we'll so we'll do it. We'll do

(01:26:24):
it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Yeah. Well, in the last one, I kind of tried
out some director fits because I was kind of trying
to get my director look down. I tried on a
beret with some more feminine sunglasses and I was ridiculed,
I would say, but it was about fifty to fifty,
I would say, supported ridiculed. So you should definitely check
out our Instagram Live. I think you can still watch
that live on our Instagram. But yeah, we want to

(01:26:48):
do that more because that was fun and that was
fun connecting with everybody. And yeah, we'll definitely but follow
us and you'll be able to see that in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
We'll announce it also, we'll announce it better because we
just we did a very soft launch, so like we'll
tell you where we're doing a live at least the
week og.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah, so but yeah, we'll do a bit. We'll do
more of an announcement ahead of time, so people can,
you know, clear their calendars, get a babysitter, that sort
of thing. To watch our Instagram lives. If you want
to follow us on Letterbox, our handles are Casey Leobrien
and m de Cheriico got to follow us on there,
We're we're good follows, I would say, if you want

(01:27:27):
to know, we're watching how we feel about things, that's right,
mostly movies. But yeah, that's it. Millie, thank you for
recording another great episode of this fine podcast with me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Thanks and yeah, appreciate everybody tuning in. Thank you to
the softiest. Thank you to Casey o Brin.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Oh my god, thank you softies for joining us today.
It's just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
We'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by me
Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hartstark,
Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Goodbye Beker

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