October 27, 2025 • 13 mins
In this insightful clip from "Black Out with Ian & Rashad," Rashad Bilal sits down with legendary rapper and actor Joey Bada$$ to talk about one of the most essential aspects of life—family. Joey Bada$$ opens up about his journey as a young father and partner, reflecting on lessons from his childhood and how those experiences shape the way he approaches relationships today. Joey shares how growing up in a big, close-knit family inspired the community mindset he carries into adulthood. Yet, he also reveals the gaps he noticed around examples of healthy romantic love—sparking his commitment to building something new with his fiancé. He talks candidly about their personal growth, teamwork, and intentional approach to their relationship, including their unique practice of holding “meetings” to set and review goals together, both for themselves and their growing family. This conversation is packed with wisdom for anyone navigating life, partnership, or parenthood in today’s world. Joey draws parallels between business contracts and relationships, emphasizing the importance of communication, setting non-negotiables, and being clear about values and long-term vision. He explains why he’s upfront about his intentions and challenges his partner to do the same—so they can build a meaningful future instead of “floating in space.” If you’re seeking guidance on how to create lasting bonds, foster healing within your family, or simply want to hear how a celebrated artist balances career with deep personal growth, don’t miss this clip! *Watch now to hear:*
- Joey Bada$$ on fatherhood and what being “family oriented” means today
- Why business tactics—like meetings and clear contracts—can help build a strong relationship
- The importance of picking a partner in alignment with your values and vision
- Tips for intentional communication and making progress as a couple
- Insights into breaking generational cycles and creating new legacies
*Timestamps:* (Available upon request—if you’d like specific segments, let us know in the comments!) *Hashtags:* #JoeyBadass #BlackOutPodcast #Fatherhood #ModernManhood #FamilyLegacy #Relationships #CommunityHealing #BlackLove #PodcastClips #RashadBilal #IntentionalLiving #PersonalGrowth #GenerationalChange
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's a pleasure to.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Have you, Joey badass man, legendary rapper actor. You're a
renaissance man. But more importantly, I like the role that
you're playing now as far as a father, as far
as you know in the relationship with your woman open like,
I just feel like you are saying of great example
of masculinity in twenty twenty five, because it's a lot
(01:05):
of it's a lot of other things that that's put
out there in the media, but what you're doing as
far as how you how you're handling yourself is very
reminiscent of a of an error that's familiar to me.
As far as being a little older than you, and
I feel like you're kind of like an old soul.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So I appreciate the way that you carry yourself first
and foremost appreciate that man.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Appreciate Yeah, man, you know, I'm off for the collective,
and I think that one of the main things that
we need to be doing as a people is getting
right with each other. And we gotta you know, the relationship,
the family aspect is a lot of healing that gotta
be done in that and you know, I kind of
keep that in my sights and I take my relationship
(01:51):
with my women very seriously. But you know, deeper, even
beyond us, like I look at us as if we
have the opportunity to course correct, we have the opportunity
to stand on this platform and almost be an example,
you know, to our community of what we can be
and you know, and what we should be.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But you know, no pressure, no pressure on everybody out there.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I know it's definitely not easy, and I definitely don't
want to make it seem like it's easy even being
in that container with someone because you know it comes
with the challenges for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well I want to That's why I want to start.
I want to start with family because how how old you?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Howld you? I'm thirty, So as.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
A young man, you got a family, right, Like? Talk
about that, Like talk about to you the importance of
having that family and some of the trials and tribulations
and how you're actually growing and learning how to become
you know, a family man.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I think I've always being family oriented, you know, just
from when I was a kid, you know, barbecues and
all of that, like at my great grandmother's house, and
you know, I was I was grateful enough to be
born into a big family. It's funny because I remember
(03:19):
when I you know, I got to like middle school
and I started really connecting with my friends and you know,
going by their homes and stuff, and I was like, oh, snap,
like everybody ain't got a big family, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And I started realizing.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
How valuable that was to to be able to grow
up in a community that was so close knit and
you know, people looking out for each other. So I
think that's just something that I definitely inherited from my childhood. However,
there's a lot of things that I did not see,
(03:55):
Like I didn't I've never been to. I've probably been
to like two weddings.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
In my life. Really, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I didn't see any real examples of affectionate love growing up.
So even though there was family, even though there was
like community, I didn't really see relationships.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Being developed in you know, cultivated like that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So that's something that I took with me into my adulthood,
and you know that that's something that I tried to
create for myself and for the following generation that's coming
after me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know, you know, my fiance. And it's funny.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Because just last night we we like to have meetings
with each other because we almost acknowledged the fact that
part of being in this relationship with each other, or
part of being in this container with each other and
part of cultivating a future with children and goals and
(05:07):
stuff like that is you you kind of got to
approach it from a business mind a standpoint. So you know,
we had one of our meetings, you know what I mean,
Like usually we get like a we work office or
something like that, and we meeting there and we put
the goals on the board, and you know what I'm saying,
We we really plant it out. What's the long term,
what's the short term, what's the what's the now?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know what I'm saying. What we're gonna grab off
the short term.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
List and attack right now like the next thirty six,
next part of me twelve weeks, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So it's just kind of like creating what we feel
we should have seen becoming that becoming a change that
that we want to see. And yeah, man, you know
it's so dope because you know we're there and it's like,
you know, our son is in there, and you know
(06:01):
he only like four months now, but I'm just like this,
this is the type of future that we want to build,
not only for ourselves, before our children where they could
grow up being like, oh, you know, Mom and Dad
in the meeting room again as a meeting of the
minds again, and they part of it, you know, they
part of it, Like this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
This is where we headed.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And I think that's why a lot of relationships today
are so doomed or they fail because you got two
people who really don't come together in the line with
any type of goal, direction or even business plan. You know,
you got two people essentially just floating in space and
not you know, it was just caught out rather long
(06:42):
time ago, right, It's like I can't even necessarily remember it.
But the analogy is pretty much like you being on
a plane, or you being on a boat, and just
the smallest degree of you.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Turning one degree this, one degree.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
In this direction, or you know you're turning to sell
that direction, you end up somewhere you never even planned
on going, you know what I mean negatively, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So it's all about mapping it out.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And you know, cause some people are passengers on their
own plane, their passengers on.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Their own ship, if you will.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, like some people don't even realize that they
could get into the cockpit or they could get into
the captain seat insteer the whole thing where they want
to go.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
So you know, we apply that a lot, and.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
We make sure that we get super accountable on what
this is and what we're creating and what we ultimately
want to be.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
How do you pick a person that's in alignment for
you and can you talk to us about some of
the challenges that you guys face and how you work
through them.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I think that's a great question. I think that there's
a series of like call it almost like like, uh,
there's a veting process, and I think everybody is different.
It's all about you have to know personally what your
value systems are. You know, what what what do you value?
(08:15):
What's what's of an importance to you? And you know,
I'd advise people to approach it like a like like
a business, like if you're gonna sign a contract with somebody, right,
you're gonna have non negotiables like, nah, I ain't doing that,
you know, and you gotta you gotta stand firm on
what those things are. And I think again, a lot
(08:36):
of people jump into these contracts or they jump into
these situations not even understanding what their terms are. And
then now you get into this situation and now you
want to try to change terms and you know what
I mean, but you already got the other party used
to nah, like this this is what it is, This is.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
What we came into, this is what I expect now,
you know. So I think communication, of course is key.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
You know, you gotta, uh, you gotta speak up for yourself.
You gotta, like I said, you gotta stay with your terms.
Are you gotta you gotta, you gotta draw the line
and you gotta align.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Most importantly, you know, you gotta be with a.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
With a candidate that you feel like you're gonna do
good business with, you know what I'm saying, Like and
I hate to uh make it so I hate for
it to seem like a transactional thing because it's really not.
But I do think that the business and mindset does
align with it because you gotta think about it. It's like, yo, listen,
(09:40):
we could fall in love, we could be in love,
but at some point we're gonna have to ask each
other real questions like so what's your like like how
do you save money?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well? What what what what's your what's your money spending?
Look like, what's what's your money havings?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Like let's get that out at the top, you know
what I mean, Let's let's let's let's let's change the
direction of where we're going, Like I like to, I
like to trim the fact, like, let's get right to it,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not trying to
waste my time, especially you know, me being so intentional
with what it is that I know that I want
to do, Like I ain't just trying to I ain't
(10:19):
just trying to play around, like you know, we're going
for the long term.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Then we got to ask long term questions. We got
to have that long term vision. Make sure that it
lines like I ain't gonna wait, I ain't waiting.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Six months to ask what you.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Where you're trying to be you know what I'm saying,
or you know, just asking important questions that a.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Lot of people don't think about. It really hits the
fair you know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So your your fiance, how you ask those questions right
away with.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Her, Oh listen, I sure did. Did you know? You're
right to it?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
A lot of tough questions at the top, you know.
And it's funny because a lot of those questions that
I asked, like I could tell she wasn't used to that,
you know, she wasn't used to be challenged in that
type of way, like yo, like what like like you know,
and and and you know she's it's been so much
(11:16):
progress for both of us. But yeah, you know, at
the beginning, and it'll almost be like what you ask
me these questions for? And I'm like, girl, because I'm serious, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I'm trying to I ain't trying to play around like.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You think this is a game. Like I'm serious, Like
what what do you value?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
What? What do you like?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like just getting really really real.
I don't got no time to play. I ain't joking, Ernest,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
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This episode is brought to you by P and C Bank.
A lot of people think podcasts about work are boring,
and sure they definitely can be, but understanding of professionals
routine shows us how they achieve their success little by little,
day after day. It's like banking with P and C Bank.
It might seem boring to safe plan and make calculated
(00:21):
decisions with your bank, but keeping your money boring is
what helps you live or more happily fulfilled life. P
and C Bank Brilliantly Boring since eighteen sixty five. Brilliantly
Boring since eighteen sixty five is a service mark of
the PNC Financial Service Group, Inc. P and C Bank
National Association Member FDIC.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's a pleasure to.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Have you, Joey badass man, legendary rapper actor. You're a
renaissance man. But more importantly, I like the role that
you're playing now as far as a father, as far
as you know in the relationship with your woman open like,
I just feel like you are saying of great example
of masculinity in twenty twenty five, because it's a lot
(01:05):
of it's a lot of other things that that's put
out there in the media, but what you're doing as
far as how you how you're handling yourself is very
reminiscent of a of an error that's familiar to me.
As far as being a little older than you, and
I feel like you're kind of like an old soul.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So I appreciate the way that you carry yourself first
and foremost appreciate that man.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Appreciate Yeah, man, you know, I'm off for the collective,
and I think that one of the main things that
we need to be doing as a people is getting
right with each other. And we gotta you know, the relationship,
the family aspect is a lot of healing that gotta
be done in that and you know, I kind of
keep that in my sights and I take my relationship
(01:51):
with my women very seriously. But you know, deeper, even
beyond us, like I look at us as if we
have the opportunity to course correct, we have the opportunity
to stand on this platform and almost be an example,
you know, to our community of what we can be
and you know, and what we should be.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But you know, no pressure, no pressure on everybody out there.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I know it's definitely not easy, and I definitely don't
want to make it seem like it's easy even being
in that container with someone because you know it comes
with the challenges for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well I want to That's why I want to start.
I want to start with family because how how old you?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Howld you? I'm thirty, So as.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
A young man, you got a family, right, Like? Talk
about that, Like talk about to you the importance of
having that family and some of the trials and tribulations
and how you're actually growing and learning how to become
you know, a family man.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I think I've always being family oriented, you know, just
from when I was a kid, you know, barbecues and
all of that, like at my great grandmother's house, and
you know, I was I was grateful enough to be
born into a big family. It's funny because I remember
(03:19):
when I you know, I got to like middle school
and I started really connecting with my friends and you know,
going by their homes and stuff, and I was like, oh, snap,
like everybody ain't got a big family, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And I started realizing.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
How valuable that was to to be able to grow
up in a community that was so close knit and
you know, people looking out for each other. So I
think that's just something that I definitely inherited from my childhood. However,
there's a lot of things that I did not see,
(03:55):
Like I didn't I've never been to. I've probably been
to like two weddings.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
In my life. Really, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I didn't see any real examples of affectionate love growing up.
So even though there was family, even though there was
like community, I didn't really see relationships.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Being developed in you know, cultivated like that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So that's something that I took with me into my adulthood,
and you know that that's something that I tried to
create for myself and for the following generation that's coming
after me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know, you know, my fiance. And it's funny.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Because just last night we we like to have meetings
with each other because we almost acknowledged the fact that
part of being in this relationship with each other, or
part of being in this container with each other and
part of cultivating a future with children and goals and
(05:07):
stuff like that is you you kind of got to
approach it from a business mind a standpoint. So you know,
we had one of our meetings, you know what I mean,
Like usually we get like a we work office or
something like that, and we meeting there and we put
the goals on the board, and you know what I'm saying,
We we really plant it out. What's the long term,
what's the short term, what's the what's the now?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know what I'm saying. What we're gonna grab off
the short term.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
List and attack right now like the next thirty six,
next part of me twelve weeks, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So it's just kind of like creating what we feel
we should have seen becoming that becoming a change that
that we want to see. And yeah, man, you know
it's so dope because you know we're there and it's like,
you know, our son is in there, and you know
(06:01):
he only like four months now, but I'm just like this,
this is the type of future that we want to build,
not only for ourselves, before our children where they could
grow up being like, oh, you know, Mom and Dad
in the meeting room again as a meeting of the
minds again, and they part of it, you know, they
part of it, Like this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
This is where we headed.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And I think that's why a lot of relationships today
are so doomed or they fail because you got two
people who really don't come together in the line with
any type of goal, direction or even business plan. You know,
you got two people essentially just floating in space and
not you know, it was just caught out rather long
(06:42):
time ago, right, It's like I can't even necessarily remember it.
But the analogy is pretty much like you being on
a plane, or you being on a boat, and just
the smallest degree of you.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Turning one degree this, one degree.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
In this direction, or you know you're turning to sell
that direction, you end up somewhere you never even planned
on going, you know what I mean negatively, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So it's all about mapping it out.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And you know, cause some people are passengers on their
own plane, their passengers on.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Their own ship, if you will.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, like some people don't even realize that they
could get into the cockpit or they could get into
the captain seat insteer the whole thing where they want
to go.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
So you know, we apply that a lot, and.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
We make sure that we get super accountable on what
this is and what we're creating and what we ultimately
want to be.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
How do you pick a person that's in alignment for
you and can you talk to us about some of
the challenges that you guys face and how you work
through them.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I think that's a great question. I think that there's
a series of like call it almost like like, uh,
there's a veting process, and I think everybody is different.
It's all about you have to know personally what your
value systems are. You know, what what what do you value?
(08:15):
What's what's of an importance to you? And you know,
I'd advise people to approach it like a like like
a business, like if you're gonna sign a contract with somebody, right,
you're gonna have non negotiables like, nah, I ain't doing that,
you know, and you gotta you gotta stand firm on
what those things are. And I think again, a lot
(08:36):
of people jump into these contracts or they jump into
these situations not even understanding what their terms are. And
then now you get into this situation and now you
want to try to change terms and you know what
I mean, but you already got the other party used
to nah, like this this is what it is, This is.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
What we came into, this is what I expect now,
you know. So I think communication, of course is key.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
You know, you gotta, uh, you gotta speak up for yourself.
You gotta, like I said, you gotta stay with your terms.
Are you gotta you gotta, you gotta draw the line
and you gotta align.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Most importantly, you know, you gotta be with a.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
With a candidate that you feel like you're gonna do
good business with, you know what I'm saying, Like and
I hate to uh make it so I hate for
it to seem like a transactional thing because it's really not.
But I do think that the business and mindset does
align with it because you gotta think about it. It's like, yo, listen,
(09:40):
we could fall in love, we could be in love,
but at some point we're gonna have to ask each
other real questions like so what's your like like how
do you save money?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well? What what what what's your what's your money spending?
Look like, what's what's your money havings?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Like let's get that out at the top, you know
what I mean, Let's let's let's let's let's change the
direction of where we're going, Like I like to, I
like to trim the fact, like, let's get right to it,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not trying to
waste my time, especially you know, me being so intentional
with what it is that I know that I want
to do, Like I ain't just trying to I ain't
(10:19):
just trying to play around, like you know, we're going
for the long term.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Then we got to ask long term questions. We got
to have that long term vision. Make sure that it
lines like I ain't gonna wait, I ain't waiting.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Six months to ask what you.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Where you're trying to be you know what I'm saying,
or you know, just asking important questions that a.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Lot of people don't think about. It really hits the
fair you know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So your your fiance, how you ask those questions right
away with.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Her, Oh listen, I sure did. Did you know? You're
right to it?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
A lot of tough questions at the top, you know.
And it's funny because a lot of those questions that
I asked, like I could tell she wasn't used to that,
you know, she wasn't used to be challenged in that
type of way, like yo, like what like like you know,
and and and you know she's it's been so much
(11:16):
progress for both of us. But yeah, you know, at
the beginning, and it'll almost be like what you ask
me these questions for? And I'm like, girl, because I'm serious, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I'm trying to I ain't trying to play around like.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You think this is a game. Like I'm serious, Like
what what do you value?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
What? What do you like?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like just getting really really real.
I don't got no time to play. I ain't joking, Ernest,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You ever walk into a small business and everything just works?
Like the checkout is fast, the receipts are digital, tipping
is a breeze, and you're out the door before the
line even builds odds are they're using Square. We love
supporting businesses that run on Square because it just feels seamless.
Whether it's a local coffee shop, a vendor at a
pop up market, or even one of our merch partners.
(12:04):
Square makes it easy for them to take payments, manage inventory,
and run their business with confidence, all from one simple system.
One of the things we love most is seeing neighborhood
businesses level up. Business West Indian spired writing our community
that started with a small takeout counter. Now with Square,
they've been able to expand into a full sit down
(12:25):
restaurant and even started catering events across the city. That's
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